Ngl I hate fateboudn just as much
#outlaw
modern terrace
There we have my outlaw, and...
There the 1rst, so realm first not going to happen xD
vivid vessel
Assa?
modern terrace
Trying out outlaw for a while but started as assas yes
Pref the vers but I outdps my outlaw by a lot with assas
But granted I also kms with killingspree a lot cuz I'm a bozo
pastel sierra
I am kinda tempted to level a 2nd rogue for outlaw only
vivid vessel
I am kinda tempted to level a 2nd rogue for outlaw only
Same
pastel sierra
Bc if i apply now with 3k io and i play like a monkey again
I'll ruin for the 3 other outlaw players
I did see more in lfg groups than beginning of the season which is nice
runic bough
damn
19 and 20 keys
yeah thats a pro streamer like zac
but ur doing good at 17 is still high
azure vortex
Bc if i apply now with 3k io and i play like a monkey again
Thats me, farming to 3400 right now and playing like a monkey, just realized how important is to roll the dice on cd and send fiora ultimate on cd
runic bough
I am really happy about 20% haste on HO tricks. KS is over much faster it feels like.
If i play lower haste ks takes forever
like an hour
longer
modern terrace
but ur doing good at 17 is still high
I bricked my first 17 top cuz I got 1tapped by gorchop adds as assas desperately want to learn outlaw, last time I actually played it was in df when we had everbloom don't remember wich season
grim spear
I am kinda tempted to level a 2nd rogue for outlaw only
already did that
my main is Assassination, made a 680 alt outlaw.
pastel sierra
I did half 11s rest 10s with outlaw start of the season
grim spear
then my main got Mugzee down and got both Capo and Hotline
modern terrace
best outlaw season
Yes
runic bough
now imagine if bf bug was fixed in df s3
pastel sierra
Now i kinda miss it
modern terrace
Just uncap it
azure vortex
I don't think rogue being meta is good for games retention 😄
craggy barn
why not
pastel sierra
Why not rogue is a cool class
fathom bramble
Fate intertwined target cap is increased to 4 and now can be copied by blade flurry. Delivered doom nerfed to 5% and made into functionally a flavor talent, all power lost is moved into the base damage of tails. Fateful ending now lasts 60 seconds out of combat(M+ only buff)
azure vortex
Most people don't like playing rogue
pastel sierra
Nothing should be good enough to HAVE to be included in a group imo up to semi serious content(14s to 15s at this point in season to me)
fathom bramble
and then just crank up tails/heads effects until I don't have to press KS anymore
even though trickster is more fun and closer to a real hero tree than fatebound
vapid bone
Most people don't like playing rogue
because it definitely has the most difficult operation among all
pastel sierra
Fate intertwined target cap is increased to 4 and now can be copied by blade flu...
I'd love something that effectively guarantees lucky coin in opener
craggy barn
if rogue becomes meta and gets more eyes on its issues then it will get dealt with maybe possibly
lime lake
pastel sierra
if rogue becomes meta and gets more eyes on its issues then it will get dealt wi...
Nah ppl will complain how hard it is and we'll get Ret Pala'd
fathom bramble
I'd love something that effectively guarantees lucky coin in opener
I kept my reply to only simple spelldata things
but yeah some kind of lucky coin rework would be nice
craggy barn
idk, paladin wasnt exactly difficult before their rework, nor did people want it to be
vapid bone
also doesn't have any fuctional
vivid vessel
Fate intertwined target cap is increased to 4 and now can be copied by blade flu...
The capstone should also just proc after like 3 coins ..
It's cringe
fathom bramble
I always thought the capstone should be based on reducing the rng and controlling your fate instead of making it even more random...
craggy barn
and they already stated they wanted to tone down spec conplexity ( at least on the front of needing specific external ui to function decently)
azure vortex
Was ret a favourable spec before the rework?
craggy barn
ret was a popular spec before rework
fathom bramble
and they already stated they wanted to tone down spec conplexity ( at least on t...
I still think outlaw was a strange example for this since almost all of our necessary information is visible in game
honest sparrow
Ngl I hate fateboudn just as much
Fatebound ist not a good hero talent. It sucks to play around it. Im not remerbering fondly to kill half of city zivilians to try to keep it up while the rp is going. Both our hero talents have huge issues
azure vortex
I see it is #1 right now
fathom bramble
something like feral with snapshotting is way more annoying to parse without specific WAs
pastel sierra
I always thought the capstone should be based on reducing the rng and controllin...
Also let us actually see what the hero tree does instead of hiding it in the 400 other buffs we got
craggy barn
theres pieces of outlaw which are kinda just annoying yo track, but yea feral snapshot for sure
pastel sierra
Something to track it on bar idk
craggy barn
like i could functionallyvplay outlaw without was, but its just a hige pain to track shit
pastel sierra
Put em on combo points counting up for every flip of heads/tails in a row
Like old supercharged cp
azure vortex
Do you really need to track coinflips though
vagrant saddle
wow needs a resource bar similar to ff14. where every class has their own version to fit their needs
fathom bramble
the fact that you don't need or want to track them is in itself a problem
craggy barn
tracking subterfuge is annoying
fathom bramble
it's an entirely passive tree
pastel sierra
Do you really need to track coinflips though
No i wanna feel like my hero tree does something
craggy barn
without a wa
vapid bone
if rogue has any team buff like battle shout，it will be different
fathom bramble
idk what you could even reasonably do to make coins more interesting
without just reworking the tree
craggy barn
rogue should get mystic touch as a poison
azure vortex
Yes, I don't understand why rogue doesn't give 5% crit buff
pastel sierra
idk what you could even reasonably do to make coins more interesting
Make em give combo points
Similar to the sub combo point thing
fathom bramble
When your streak ends gain 1 combo point for each coin buff lost
pastel sierra
Yep
fathom bramble
I could see it
pastel sierra
Or
fathom bramble
though it's not particularly strong at 1cp per coinflip
craggy barn
they should just give us anticipation 🙂
fathom bramble
it's also worth noting that the hero talent does have to also work on sin
craggy barn
what if
pastel sierra
it's also worth noting that the hero talent does have to also work on sin
Rupture bonespike cp
Idk
pastel sierra
Make it shit for assa
craggy barn
fatebound gave poisons a crit debuff on targets hit
pastel sierra
It's already bad
pastel sierra
fated poison to replace instant
U can't put a raid buff into only one of 2 hero trees
runic bough
do poisons proc with bf?
pastel sierra
Unless they make fazed also raidwide
runic bough
Im guessing poisons dont proc with bf just main target
pastel sierra
Which would make trickster way stronger
fathom bramble
the parry part
yes
pastel sierra
No more parry on core rotational cds
fathom bramble
bugged in a very funny way since it's not even just mistakenly effecting other players or something
it just reduces the enemies parry chance by 5%
which of course effects everyone
fathom bramble
raid boss level mobs have a base parry of 3%
craggy barn
ah
fathom bramble
so it just goes to 0
it's only in pvp where the 5% doesn't actually get you far enough against certain enemies
craggy barn
-2% parry, we get extra damage pepw
fathom bramble
I think just warriors or maybe a tank spec idk
craggy barn
-5% against die by the sword is funny
fathom bramble
which is kind of annoying when I was expecting to be able to dps into die by the sword as trickster
and then it just doesn't work
craggy barn
kinda annoying it doesnt just say that
instead of enemies cant parry
makes sense to function that way to not make it busted in pvp
but still
fathom bramble
I mean would it even be busted to have 1 class that just counters 1 specific warrior spec
pastel sierra
pastel sierra
I tried some rated arenas with a friend to work on elite set
It's funny on assa at least
compact mountain
Reading Guy's review, anyone else get the feeling that even if KS was redesigned to not move the camera and give you 100% immunity to everything for the duration he would still hate it?
fathom bramble
Reading Guy's review, anyone else get the feeling that even if KS was redesigned...
the review is very focused on the killing you or your raid aspect of the spell
idk how you got from the review that Guy would still hate it with that fixed
pastel sierra
Killing spree is cool in theory but i don't see a way to make it fun to play without it being busted
vivid vessel
Your cooked if u think outlaw’s getting an immunity every 30 seconds
That's basically what ks is rn ..
vivid vessel
Killing spree is cool in theory but i don't see a way to make it fun to play wit...
You don't see a way?
fathom bramble
the random teleporting makes it basically impossible to leverage it in an abusive way
fathom bramble
unless just taking less damage is abusive
vivid vessel
Xd
fathom bramble
I would still hate it cause that's not enough
yeah KS would still need to not CC my character and let me spellqueue things
pastel sierra
Just a normal spell without a self cc
?
I mean they seem to be very set on wanting to keep the camera cancer and teleports
If they go away from that it's easy
compact mountain
Do you like killing spree
killing spree has always been a super cool spell, even back in TBC. It's unfortunate that the style of the game has moved so much that it doesn't fit anymore, but yes I would like to keep KS just with a better implementation
vivid vessel
What is a better implementation
compact mountain
New KS fix: taken dmg only gets applied once AR runs out <:HOLY:1250893440183570...
Then when AR runs out you instantly die. I like it
old dove
Couldn't they make it like bladedance?
compact mountain
Couldn't they make it like bladedance?
That would be the easy, obvious, and best choice, so no, they can't.
Outlaws don't follow rules, like accessibility, or logic
vivid vessel
I mean it's clearly not the easiest way for them
fathom bramble
killing spree has always been a super cool spell, even back in TBC. It's unfortu...
I definitely didn't notice any issues with KS in TBC
considering it was added in wrath
and even in that expansion KS started out with some fights being problematic or killing you
vivid vessel
Wasn't DFA removed for similar reasons
fathom bramble
yes
vivid vessel
And that's an old ass spell no?
compact mountain
considering it was added in wrath
sorry, remembering pre-patch, you're right
fathom bramble
DFA was mists I think
vivid vessel
Lol
compact mountain
DFA was WoD
vivid vessel
I like how devs have been ignoring the killing spree issues forever
patent mirage
dfa was a talent none picked mostly
vivid vessel
I remember people Perma complaining about ks in that season in SL when we were playing it
You remember lok
Ma build
compact mountain
And when it came out, it not only made you immune to CC for the duration, but it had a bug that refunded 4 CP
vivid vessel
And people were like
I don't wanna play ma cause killing spree is unplayable
But then ma was better anyway
fathom bramble
pretty sure DFA still makes you immune to cc even
vivid vessel
I remember
patent mirage
ks made you un targetable at first besides immune
vivid vessel
Then we got killing spree in s1/S2 df for ho and people were still annoyed by it
patent mirage
you could even cast fok during the animation
patent mirage
remember before black powder , the original version was called shadow vault
vivid vessel
It seems that
patent mirage
that worked like dfa
vivid vessel
Players
patent mirage
and people freaked out
vivid vessel
Don't like killing themselves
fathom bramble
shadow vault was only a small hop though
fathom bramble
not like a full dash to the enemy
patent mirage
yes that is true
vivid vessel
Only to remove it
fathom bramble
but they listened and removed all forced movement from it
vivid vessel
Over and over
patent mirage
but the thing that is bad with ks is
patent mirage
it exists like this since tbc
fathom bramble
I wish they just deleted KS in the outlaw rework
instead of seemingly leaving it intentionally undertuned for years
craggy barn
they deleted 
instead
patent mirage
at least it should give a bunch of avoidance
vivid vessel
The fact they reworked ks
Like
5 times
While never fixing the main issue people complained about
Idk
Sometimes I think they just have so much ego
They can't listen
For whatever reason
Some dev over there never played killing spree in his life but refuses to change it
Cause he implementd the animation
Back in wrath
patent mirage
same deal with hero talents
vagrant saddle
that would be fine but ks is literally unplayable in some fights in raid and i think that should be illegal
pastel sierra
Did 5 mins of outlaw on dummy, my hand hurts again. I remember why i switched 👴
patent mirage
maybe the dev of original ks left a note " dont touch ks " and they just go with it
candle boss in dfc check
fathom bramble
that would be fine but ks is literally unplayable in some fights in raid and i t...
the expansion that KS was added to the game had the first ever sprocket fight
pastel sierra
maybe the dev of original ks left a note " dont touch ks " and they just go with...
KS is the string holding rogue functionality together
patent mirage
sprocket check
vivid vessel
the expansion that KS was added to the game had the first ever sprocket fight
Really
verbal fjord
Damn zac is speaking facts rn
vivid vessel
Everytime it gets too shit and player complain too much
vagrant saddle
the expansion that KS was added to the game had the first ever sprocket fight
when ks was added it always teleported u to boss ass, so it was manageable if u must do it... current ks is just lol jump every where
vivid vessel
Everyone forgets
patent mirage
blizzard is perfoming a ritual with ks now
fathom bramble
when ks was added it always teleported u to boss ass, so it was manageable if u ...
that's true
vivid vessel
And the cycle can start again
patent mirage
they will change it but only after it claims souls
vivid vessel
Nice
patent mirage
you could glyph ks and not worry about it in that fight
anyway though
wotlk was much different
pastel sierra
when ks was added it always teleported u to boss ass, so it was manageable if u ...
On big enough bosses it still does that
craggy barn
like gally when in middle
patent mirage
we cleared naxx 25 in t6 gear
fathom bramble
you could glyph ks and not worry about it in that fight
there was no glyphs in wrath
craggy barn
when gally in bot u get tpd around
patent mirage
that tells you enough
fathom bramble
and I don't think the gylph saves you
craggy barn
but in middle its behind
vagrant saddle
yea 3? Gights including m+
patent mirage
there was no glyphs in wrath
there were glyphs in wotlk
pastel sierra
pastel sierra
KS glyph was 45s lower cd
vagrant saddle
but no cdr
patent mirage
cdr came later on
vagrant saddle
No braindamage, and immune when ksing
patent mirage
remember how outlaw launched without restless
fathom bramble
somehow still less rolling than we do nowadays
fathom bramble
but not dreadblades
patent mirage
using cps for rtb was lame
shut lichen
sounds lame
craggy barn
it was lame
fathom bramble
onyx spear
With supercharge specced I reroll also during subterfudge if at 4 or less cps y?
craggy barn
prepatch was awful
fathom bramble
combo points for RTB was fine
the problem was 1 buff being several times stronger than all the others
shut lichen
cannonball barrage 
patent mirage
cannon deez barrage
vagrant saddle
give me snake eye build, only spend on snd 
shut lichen
balanced interactions
fathom bramble
like if RTB was properly balanced at the time you would have just used loaded dice to ensure a 2 buff
and sat on it
shut lichen
Cooked out the wazoo
true
proven ocean
I usually do share
proven ocean
Idk no point anymore
shut lichen
builds, coffee recipes, what he ate today
proven ocean
Im getting spammed as if everyone knows everything i already cooked, im sure people will figure things out one day
shut lichen
was one of those cooks no sanguine blades?
verbal fjord
but how important is it to have the SnD cancel aura macro to spam it to get an extra RTB out of it ?
shut lichen
that's still a thing?
agile orchid
no way the wishlist for season 3 is to slow down the spec 
craggy barn
oh yea, ross do u goga focus on pooling for sb compared to everyone else
verbal fjord
that's still a thing?
i saw it on zac using it to get 6 supercharger points thats why i was wondering
proven ocean
proven ocean
was one of those cooks no sanguine blades?
No i was checking things and forgot to swap it back
vivid vessel
but how important is it to have the SnD cancel aura macro to spam it to get an e...
It's useless and fails almost instantly
verbal fjord
ah well then
vivid vessel
People have way more things to worry about on. Outlaw rn than silly minmaxes imo
The spec itself is already hard to just play
At normal level
proven ocean
Was always cool to share things in outlaw chat
vivid vessel
proven ocean
Atleast zac was always listening
shut lichen
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1065730164077645916/137585385359...
bruh wtf
vivid vessel
I don't listen to yappers
verbal fjord
i mean its true af i never thought a spec can be difficult like this i can get a better uptime than 86% on highkeys
summer epoch
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
shut lichen
when zeross speaks I think about Lebron's legacy
proven ocean
Whats that
craggy barn
when zeross speaks i think of zerocool but then remember its ross
vivid vessel
i mean its true af i never thought a spec can be difficult like this i can get a...
Ye, needs practice
I wouldn't worry much about minmaxes and shit yet
craggy barn
i went from 82% to 92% with better ar usage
vivid vessel
The spec can be played at like 90% without a single minmax
Just by playing cleanly
And maintaining good uptime
Which is one of the biggest difference between bad and good outlaws imo
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> today workshop timed surely
I'm raiding but I think it shouldn't be that long?
verbal fjord
it depends on key for me tbh for example like flood is a very good ar uptime on mine i think i had like 92/94%
verbal fjord
but keys like top or work
proven ocean
I'm raiding but I think it shouldn't be that long?
Oh me too x d d
vivid vessel
Oh well
What time is yours ross
I also need to get the raid buff before I think kekw
Didn't get it yet
proven ocean
Quite bad i think i finish at 10 or 10:30
winged nest
sup guys? poop rogue here! why are there so many outlaws popping recently?
proven ocean
craggy barn
bc good outlaws are good
vivid vessel
craggy barn
and outlaw is good
vivid vessel
sup guys? poop rogue here! why are there so many outlaws popping recently?
Outlaw is good
vagrant saddle
sup guys? poop rogue here! why are there so many outlaws popping recently?
blind ppl saw the light
vivid vessel
I guess or maybe we dont
Wtf
winged nest
so outlaw is fine in higher keys now? iirc assa being generally better?
vivid vessel
vivid vessel
so outlaw is fine in higher keys now? iirc assa being generally better?
Outlaw is one of the top contender for damage
Especially with melee compe
vivid vessel
It's maybe harder to fit in normal comps
vivid vessel
We played alot more than any team zac
Who
winged nest
ok thanks @vivid vessel gonna go back to it, outlaw it my fav spec 8)
proven ocean
Well u guys are pugs
craggy barn
sin fits in better in normal comps than outlaw
shut lichen
damn
proven ocean
I just mean me helena
swift cairn
ok thanks <@352916297262301194> gonna go back to it, outlaw it my fav spec 8)
u'll just die on a lot of keys , but the spec is fine
vivid vessel
I see
shut lichen
bro said your not even friends
craggy barn
esp of u need some ape and funnel
shut lichen
ur pugs
craggy barn
aoe
winged nest
yea my ptsd from killing sprees just resurfaced
vivid vessel
Okok
shut lichen
good for mental
vivid vessel
I mean I will find a way to play anywya
I have some io to catch up
Maybe I time 21 ml with pugs
proven ocean
Im sure it’ll be fine today and tmrw
swift cairn
yea my ptsd from killing sprees just resurfaced
I connect on my outlaw to play it, i see the KS spell on my bars, i log back into my enhance
hot olive
get him zac
craggy barn
zac u needa build a phys god comp team
proven ocean
Maybe I time 21 ml with pugs
vivid vessel
craggy barn
like wox did
proven ocean
21ml sounds unrealistic
vivid vessel
Well we have that with Ross
winged nest
Xd
shut lichen
wox is old news
vivid vessel
It's brew resto sham, assa outlaw arms
shut lichen
we have Rick Ross over here
proven ocean
21ml sounds unrealistic
In a pug
craggy barn
yea but ross just said they take a break
hot olive
they have better comp
vivid vessel
I also did a few with feral instead of ross
craggy barn
thats not god comp status
craggy barn
i trust
proven ocean
yea but ross just said they take a break
Not rly its just that we may take a break for a day
vivid vessel
Bam bam
craggy barn
Not rly its just that we may take a break for a day
ah
vivid vessel
Not rly its just that we may take a break for a day
vivid vessel
Ye
shut lichen
Farover dude is kinda goated
vivid vessel
Ye probably
vivid vessel
It's the first time in my life I play with 3 blasters DPS actually
proven ocean
Legit every dpser in our group pumps hard dps
vivid vessel
Usually you always play with people that aren't as good as dpsing
Cause that doesn't exist
proven ocean
I was pugging 16s it was kinda high rio at the time
And
Highest key timed was 16 for me
vivid vessel
Ross is good at networking
proven ocean
Then
vivid vessel
Idk how he does it
vivid vessel
He a big networker
shut lichen
proven ocean
I wanted to time 17s cuz i had 16 resil but no 17 timed
vivid vessel
Listening
proven ocean
It was 8 am in the morning i was about to fall asleep my head was about to explode cuz i was sleepy as fuck
Then i open lfg for the memes and see an 18ML in queue
I was like
Nah no shot they inv me or
vivid vessel
shut lichen
proven ocean
then they invited me and we randomly 1 shotted the key and went to bed
shut lichen
proven ocean
And from that day we kept playing together
vivid vessel
<:omegalul:585734084777476096> then they invited me and we randomly 1 shotted th...
Nice
Who was it
Oh the same guys
Okok
proven ocean
Me helena and farover
vivid vessel
I see
proven ocean
I dont remember who was tank and 3rd ds
hot olive
shut lichen
that's a one in a million find
proven ocean
Dps*
proven ocean
Cuz we always play together now
vivid vessel
proven ocean
Prob gonna stay that way for some time atleast
vivid vessel
proven ocean
shut lichen
i aspire to be like zeross when i grow up
vivid vessel
proven ocean
craggy barn
sometimes i wish i was eu player so can do keys
vivid vessel
Brb nap 15 min speedrun
craggy barn
NA sucks for keys
shut lichen
bruh
jolly geyser
fast eyes closed
red zinc
NA sucks for keys
Taiwan even worse so cant complain if u think abt it
proven ocean
NA sucks for keys
NA players are good at keys its just that they’re super bad at dpsing/cooking new things
They always copy asian people and EU
hot olive
yoda cooks a bit
proven ocean
Yoda’s the only one and thats a recent thing
Pretty sure the chinese guys are heavily dominating by a long shot atm
People thought it was the raid buffs
But instead
hot olive
yea the rank 1 boosters
hidden bay
Eu down bad man. Not best at raid or key cook
hot olive
true top 3 teams
proven ocean
Hence why me and khaelt’s team are r1 eu
jolly geyser
eu people got freetime? idk
hot olive
they play for mdi so they dont do a lot in live
proven ocean
We had r1 eu for some time
A week or 2
Mage comp is like
Miles stronger
Just that eu guys arent playing atm
hot olive
only cuz mage funnels?
hot olive
ML too
proven ocean
Ye
hot olive
true
proven ocean
In priory and cinder we’re fine cuz
Sin is stronger there
Than mage
Priory abit of a hard key tho
proven ocean
Ye will see im kinda busy ish today not sure if we play so i dont think i’ll stream today
If anything it’ll be a small session
hot olive
🫡
shut lichen
oh yeah all the EU teams are in TR still right?
cinder summit
If i go into a Big pull at the start of dungeon and I roll up to 3 or 2 buff but we need to kill it quick, i Kir into RTB or do i just RTB in hopes of better roles ?
vivid vessel
Ok I'm back, Speedrun was successful
hot olive
ez
gloomy roost
i dont wanna ping you zac but im interested in whatever your trufigcd thing is, i like this it shows CP spent and such
vivid vessel
It's a weak aura
Search truffi GCD in wagioo
I think you will find it
It'd the best one no cap!
craggy barn
NA players are good at keys its just that they’re super bad at dpsing/cooking ne...
i meant in volume of high keys being done
it always feels like there are less 14-16s being done
craggy barn
tru
i needa boost more
i need money
but everytime im busy when one shwos up
so sadge
proven ocean
Pugging has to be the most cancerous shit ever
craggy barn
ye
raw cliff
hey guys, ive had to increase my haste to play fatebound for mythic sprocket prog, but now im worried my stats are gimping my HO spec or should i be okay to leave as is in this screenshot for HO as well
proven ocean
The thing that tilts me the most is when i get a fucking buyer that has ego and says lower the price because im good and i say no yet he still ends up doing tank dps
Like bro
sly cairn
is it intended that magnet cancels out subterfuge when you use it or is it a bug??
proven ocean
is it intended that magnet cancels out subterfuge when you use it or is it a bug...
Hello kitty guy
Every trinket cancels that out
Dont use trinkets in stealth
hybrid crown
I ended up doing ~16 % for No gs HO for keys and haste flask to 20 for sprocket
sly cairn
is this intended or a bug
hybrid crown
It's the same amount of stat either way
proven ocean
Idk does it matter
sly cairn
yes because then i can blame it on a bug and make myself feel better.
raw cliff
I ended up doing ~16 % for No gs HO for keys and haste flask to 20 for sprocket
see i thought about doing this but didnt think it would be enough to get me to 20% so i recrafted my neck, probably should of tested first kek
proven ocean
Well
Stat trinkets arent supposed to break stealth
But they do
So thats a bug
But
Magnet thing idk
sly cairn
i guess any active trinket cancels out stealth
hybrid crown
Yeah it might be a high 16 like 16.5+ and I think you only need 19 for kir. That seems to work pretty nice for me
The flask puts me at 20 in the stat window
raw cliff
Yeah it might be a high 16 like 16.5+ and I think you only need 19 for kir. That...
okay so am i at too high haste now then do you think for HO?, i simmed ofc and it was a 0.2 loss for HO but a 3% gain for KIR, should i try go back and just haste flask ?
hybrid crown
idk if there is a cheap easy way to do that, or just be a bit less optimal for m+ but I am more of a raider than a key do-er myself
raw cliff
yeah im fine with being sub optiimal in keys im more worried about playing HO on the other raid bosses
raw cliff
guess i can leave it and just keep flasking vers
hollow portal
I don't know if I can explain this. Is there a way to track your priority target when you're switching targets, spreading poisons, or hitting CC? I always have the focus on the add I need to kick, but I'd like to have another add as my priority so I can get back to them quickly. Isn't there an aura that lets you mark an add and have it on a button next to it so I can get back to it quickly during a big pull? I don't know if I'm explaining myself well.
hardy thicket
Focus target fits pretty well into that description. You can have one target as "focus" while targetting another target. Using focus target is kind of a big deal in keys
Because you can also hotkey kicks, stuns etc to go onto your focus target even if you are attacking something else
vivid vessel
I don't know if I can explain this. Is there a way to track your priority target...
I wish I could do that
cold estuary
i use plater nameplates to help me with that - in advance i pick 1-2 prio mobs in each pack and colour their nameplate differently. i also colour nameplates that have certain debuffs - e.g. for sin i will highlight a mob with deathstalker mark
vivid vessel
In the past I tried looking into being able to have multiple focus
But I couldn't find a way
cold estuary
but im not sure about creating buttons/frames for targets
hollow portal
I wish I could do that
If you can't, I imagine it can't be done, what a shame.
light verge
I don't know if I can explain this. Is there a way to track your priority target...
you can change the colour of certain mobs like casters, main targets,
hardy thicket
Ya I color with nameplates and other than that markers usually work semi decent for main prio target but in a big pull it gets messy
craggy barn
i just do plater nameplate coloring for main target acquisition
i havent done it yet but might do one for gs, did it for ds mark
and caustic
like if somethis has my ds on it its nameplate is purple, if only caustic then its green
so if i do target swap things in a massive pull i can atleast find my mark
craggy barn
same reason they dont want a mob list like in ffxiv
hollow portal
I understand the ID plates, but when you have 20 add in a very large pull, it is equally problematic to return to your priority add by pressing its plate when another 20 overlap, it would be better with a frame / button.
hollow portal
i just do plater nameplate coloring for main target acquisition
In what section of the plater do you do this?
craggy barn
i think mines a script
i altered jundies threat script
i think whispyr has a plater setting for it?
for his own
id give it to u but i wont be at my pc for like another 8 days
red zinc
Wish plates had some kind of functionality where you could shrink specific mob plates
Or make it so you cant tab target to them or something
vivid vessel
Wish plates had some kind of functionality where you could shrink specific mob p...
I wish man..
That's like
lusty sparrow
Aura
vivid vessel
Wow doesn't allow you to actually do that
red zinc
Ye
vivid vessel
And it's crazy to me
pastel sierra
Yo surely they'll do that when they claw back plater functionality
craggy barn
doesnt jundies profile do something like that
reef forge
Wish plates had some kind of functionality where you could shrink specific mob p...
wasn't there a script for the worm boss last season that shrunk the parasite healthbar
cinder relic
craggy barn
swift cairn
That comment haha
I love having my hands broken cause of that rotation
reef forge
guess someone already mentioned it :)
vivid vessel
wasn't there a script for the worm boss last season that shrunk the parasite hea...
yes but no
These things don't actually reduce the size of the plate
Just the visual
The plate is still big
As in the plate selection hitbox
And how much space it takes on your screen
So if you have a lot of overlapping plates for example
Even if you make all the shitters small
It won't help you
Because although the plates will look visually smaller
They will just have more empty space around
That's it
verbal fjord
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
craggy quiver
Nice write up guy 
cinder relic
Ty gamer
craggy quiver
I trolled mug zee some times with ks
hot olive
zac dont know if ur here is ur plater profile public too?
vivid vessel
zac dont know if ur here is ur plater profile public too?
everything is ye
you do !ui in my stream chat
hot olive
aghit thanks
vivid vessel
Maybe I should make a Google doc to better explain how to install everything
Cause it's so shit having 20 different profiles
But oh well
I will never do that
hot olive
this wago pack thing is good
vivid vessel
I guess
It's ok
I don't like how I kinda have to cheat to share some stuffs that aren't supported
Like details.profile or suf profile
hot olive
guess this is fine if u want the whole profile u got to do it 1 by 1
light verge
In what section of the plater do you do this?
option 1 you look for a plater profile on wago or whatever streamers provide and copy it.
option 2
you go into enemy nameplates, search for a mob u want to change colour of and change it
craggy barn
nah hes asking about how i do color change for debuffs specifically
i have a script that applies a color change when deathmark/caustic spatter /dk reapers mark are on a target
craggy barn
i think whispyr has something similar in sin chat bot
but mine is applied to jundies threat color script
i also have a jundies kick scriptnalteration to account for if in range
tho thats less useful if fully doing focus kick stuff
thin fiber
hi guys, what weapon consumables can we use on cudgel (champion track)?
red zinc
ironclaw weightstone
thin fiber
says its not valid
red zinc
well it is
honest sparrow
you probaby use ironclaw whetstone not weightstone
thin fiber
ahhh damn
thin fiber
got it guys, thanks!
craggy barn
!fuu
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craggy barn
ah consume sims were removed from that
red zinc
wat
red zinc
capo uses weighstones
hybrid crown
i think its sharpening
tribal oasis
hi, random question: what has more prio when KS and CdG are available at same time?
weary fog
yeah i use weightstones for capos
hybrid crown
huh ima check
weary fog
then send CDG after KS at the highest CP u can get without pressing SS
tribal oasis
then send CDG after KS at the highest CP u can get without pressing SS
why is this like that?
weary fog
u dont wanna waste the 2 UBs you get after KS
if u have to send CDG at low CP because the only builder u can press is SS, then u send it. ideally u have an opportunity proc/ADR to build after the KS but that doesnt always happen
gaunt phoenix
For whatever reason it is acceptable to ks ambush but not ks ss
craggy barn
probably strength of ability + cp gen
bright crane
Yesssss the ol write up is out
cinder summit
!fuu
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craggy barn
im famous!
id like to thank guy for giving me this opportunity
when dod i send u that gif guy, was it s3 df?
cinder relic
Think so
Or s4
because the entire point I asked was to highlight how silly KS is as a hero talent
cinder haven
Good writeup as usual 
cinder relic
ty gamer
latent oak
do u get disheartened when the comments are just going on about combat and rtb
cinder relic
No because most of them would fail a 3rd grade english class
flat needle
Does anyone know from how many mobs on we should use nightfall curse blade?
fading hatch
Does anyone know from how many mobs on we should use nightfall curse blade?
My understanding is that its less about number of mobs and more if you can drop combat with vanish to reset it
worldly shale
Does anyone know from how many mobs on we should use nightfall curse blade?
outside of bosses always, in bosses i just use it on dfc 1st cuz they respawn XD
flat needle
outside of bosses always, in bosses i just use it on dfc 1st cuz they respawn XD
How about priory first boss (two target cleave)?
haughty moat
no
craggy barn
outside of bosses always, in bosses i just use it on dfc 1st cuz they respawn XD
HUGE pad moment
worldly shale
How about priory first boss (two target cleave)?
nah, any other weapon is better (i use capo)
bosses dont reset combat on vanish so u cant use cludgel
worldly shale
HUGE pad moment
shhhhh
strong cargo
How about priory first boss (two target cleave)?
you can't reset weapon during any boss encounter (except IPA in brew for whatever reason ?) so it will be bad compared to higher ilvl weapon
worldly shale
you can't reset weapon during any boss encounter (except IPA in brew for whateve...
ipa resets combat?
flat needle
you can't reset weapon during any boss encounter (except IPA in brew for whateve...
thanks !
strong cargo
ipa resets combat?
I'm pretty sure it did last time when I forgot to change weapons
gaunt phoenix
You can also meld > stealth on ipa
frail veldt
You can also meld > stealth on ipa
Whaaaaaaat
That's so bizarre
But we shouldn't leave cudgel on for iPa cuz it's worse st even with the resetting
worldly shale
khm adds khm padding
craggy barn
if ur tank pulls around the slimes as of u were a fire mage, u COULD use it
but that aint ever gonna happen
frail veldt
Yeah nah
strong cargo
i don't think that's worth no, I just forgot to change and was surprised to see vanish resetting it
latent oak
do u swap to crippling on that fight
ive been swapping crippling on azerokk and that fight, no clue if its worth or not
strong cargo
I do ye, damage taken isn't the hard part of the boss, making adds easier is good
scenic hound
so the guides said HO would be the popular dung build but everyone i check profiles for playing KIR am i missing somethign?
worldly shale
Is it normal that swapping weapons creates a microstutter?
or is some WA fkin me up
vivid vessel
Cost a GCD
rotund zodiac
you can swap during KS to not waste a GCD
onyx spear
There was a weakaura as reminder could anybody link it maybe?
craggy barn
!wa
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Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
craggy barn
thought it was there ahrug
rotund zodiac
You can also meld > stealth on ipa
light verge
you can swap during KS to not waste a GCD
i assumed you have to be out of combat to swap 
rotund zodiac
i assumed you have to be out of combat to swap <a:huh:1072539415261499412>
nah, you can swap mid combat
light verge
wth
rotund zodiac
yes
cinder relic
so the guides said HO would be the popular dung build but everyone i check profi...
The ppl who push keys like kir
The builds are similar performance. Kir a bit more aoe ho more st and ease of use
gaunt phoenix
and people copy others
cinder relic
Also true
static geyser
Should I stick to HO until I have more haste?
gaunt phoenix
try them both
vivid vessel
Playing ho in 2025 
rotund zodiac
after I swapped to KiR this morning, I feel like I don't energy starve anymore
gaunt phoenix
The HO build was extremely popular, then some bugfixes helped KIR a bit, now it flipped
vivid vessel
Hm
rotund zodiac
deft fixed was huge
vivid vessel
Ye and kir didn't really feel the impact of this
rotund zodiac
I wish UB can spend through BF cast
vivid vessel
I remember people suddenly doing damage in keys as ho solo
Right after the gm thing got fixed
gaunt phoenix
Ok so KIR being popular is entirely perception based
vivid vessel
Ok imma say something extremely egotistical solo
gaunt phoenix
or your fault
craggy barn
its bc zac
gaunt phoenix
you popularized it
craggy barn
and wox played kir on mdi
rotund zodiac
zac also convinced me to play KiR back in DF season 3
past falcon
zac also convinced me not to kill myself
vivid vessel
strong cargo
Zac convinced me to keep playing HO 👍
gaunt phoenix
Now all log reviews are KIR 1 fth and i want to kermit at trying to read them
gaunt phoenix
idk
west dirge
zac convinced me to start outlaw
vivid vessel
Np np
craggy barn
zac got me to steal his wa pack and make my own
wintry solar
Zac convinced me to like crackshot
vivid vessel
Npnp
vivid vessel
Bro
I convinced ryuk to craft 4 set and play kir
That one
I mean
Gotta hand it to me right
craggy barn
did that come with a manifesto i missed?
wintry solar
Ryu just trying new things
subtle ginkgo
sims are showing my gear with KIR being significantly less damage - am i just wrong?
burnt dragon
are the names swapped on the fuu sheet for the outlaw sims?
OUTLAW_FB_KIR has coup de grace and killing spree and OUTLAW_TR_KIR has hand of fate and fate intertwined
vivid vessel
sims are showing my gear with KIR being significantly less damage - am i just wr...
Prolly messed something up ye
wintry solar
Sub has its moments
subtle ginkgo
Prolly messed something up ye
maybe i just suck? thats a big possibility
craggy barn
i play sub sometimes on low keys when im bored
vivid vessel
maybe i just suck? thats a big possibility
You suck so much that your sim suck?
craggy barn
i got 3k all 3 specs so now i just play outlaw and sometimes sin
subtle ginkgo
You suck so much that your sim suck?
maybe - kir is like 200k less sim wise than HO
wintry solar
Imagine
gaunt phoenix
Sim questions should have a link to the sim in question
vivid vessel
Sim questions should have a link to the sim in question
That sound nice
Symmetrical rhymes
This probably has a name
craggy barn
bro what was the sin crashout about
i mean his manifesto when he swapped to sin for a bit
something about KS SAing him
latent oak
oh i thoguht u meant he went on a tirade about all of sins flaws as a spec after playing it for 3 keys
craggy barn
nah
wintry solar
Ryu is KS biggest hater
craggy barn
just give ryu that KS screen turn off weak aura
red zinc
Im ryu biggest hater
mighty pivot
ryu hates KS but adores GSW
red zinc
uhuh is the only reason this current iteration is playable
If they rework the whole thing it can go
till then
nuh uh
wintry solar
wintry solar
uhuh is the only reason this current iteration is playable
Collateral damage
It's fine
You get that on these big jobs
jolly geyser
latent jetty
is top-gear-sim 100% correct?
it says I'd be better off using [Ritual Bone Band] (18% haste) instead of [Wick's Golden Loop] (25% haste)?
-111.098 DPS
gaunt phoenix
that sounds normal, 25% haste is a lot
shut lichen
with gems and enchant and other variables being the same
then if that's what it says it's what it is
latent jetty
hm okay, ty.
Can I sím "what would be the best gems / enchants etc. if I was wearing Wick's"?
craggy barn
put on wicks and select the replace enchants/gems checkbox
gaunt phoenix
in top gear, if you have this selected, then all the enchants you select are also included in the combinations in creates to sim
shut lichen
what womb and duo said ^
river escarp
Duo? Like Duo Maxwell? 
craggy barn
bro wtf
teal garnet
@cinder relic such a good writeup on wowhead ❤️ hopefully KS gets addressed
jolly geyser
one can hope
sharp hinge
only reason i die in keys is because of ks
wintry solar
True
static geyser
Is the Nightfall vendor weapon still good?
gaunt phoenix
Yeh
sharp hinge
wintry solar
I really should craft a 1h
jolly geyser
good evening
wintry solar
Still rocking capo and cudgel
jolly geyser
I got 2 of those fist weapons from mythic carnage
wintry solar
Do I really want to care about weapon swapping on top of everything else?
late hill
Just switching from fatebound to trickster. It's kind challenging to understand now the proper rotaion with trickster as I'm really lacking haste...Can someone give some advice on proper button slamming?
wintry solar
I spose
lost slate
ebon burrow
guys can u share macro or wa for switch weapon ?
hybrid crown
Solos pin has a good macro
If you have identical main hand off hand there is another macro you can use instead
lusty sparrow
yuh
vivid vessel
oh well
uncut oak
i hope whoever introduced killing spree and refused to rework it disappears in a mysterious way
vivid vessel
im riading in 1h 30
quiet root
i hope whoever introduced killing spree and refused to rework it disappears in a...
i hope that person makes killing spree disappear in a mysterious way 🙂
leaden folio
flip a raid skip nm or hm
hot olive
u can do first boss and last 3 ull get it
uncut oak
i hope that person makes killing spree disappear in a mysterious way 🙂
too big ego to change their crappy skill
leaden folio
not having the 3% buff for the logrun
vivid vessel
there is no skip run man
violet ferry
Why has mommy Blizz forsaken rogues so?
uncut oak
they are sucking their mage developers
violet ferry
True and real