outlaw

[rough oriole]

house of cards good on outlaw?

[latent oak]

for kir in aoe its good ya

[rough oriole]

just assuming because we BF spam now for builders and proc giga mastery?

[latent oak]

yaya

[glass mortar]

because its secondary stats and secondary stats scale well with aoe

i dont think its very different from priory sim wise

[stray star]

Gear grinder or priory?

[frail veldt]

gear grinder

[red zinc]

still a gear grinder hater

It not hitting on rookery last boss sucks so bad

[hasty warren]

yo guys

[frail veldt]

skill issue

mine hits

[red zinc]

send a log

Like id love to be proven wrong but every time i ask someone who says that to look at logs and finds the damage instance on that boss they cant find it

I don’t think you can actually hit him

[latent oak]

can u hit him if u jump in the water then cast it

[pure folio]

Real men use honey buzzer

[latent oak]

are ppl actually asking for tips on non resi keys

its crazy

[frail veldt]

do people actually ask for tips at all?

thats wild

[latent oak]

ya a decent amount say 'note tip' or something similar

[frail veldt]

how much do people pay?

[cedar kernel]

have a nice day brothers

[sly cairn]

does outlaw scale sort of like warrior in classic where the more gear you get the more unlocked you become in comparison to other classes?

[glass mortar]

no

all u need is the haste min for whatever build ur playing

and ur g2g

[frail veldt]

outlaw is probably the worst scaling spec in the game

[glass mortar]

outlaw generally doesnt scale terribly well with gear

[frail veldt]

secondary stats are very low value to outlaw

which is why vers is our best secondary

[sly cairn]

so if i have low dps its just a skill issue or what

[lime lake]

https://tenor.com/view/big-trouble-if-i-speak-if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-speak-big-gif-23519858

[sly cairn]

can i blame these trinkets for my low dps

[frail veldt]

best thing to check for if youre playing correctly is your adr uptime

as long as you are at the haste requirement for your build, you can get high adr uptimes

!haste

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[frail veldt]

can think of adr uptime as a grade where 90%+ is an A, 80-90% is a B, 70-80% C, etc

[sly cairn]

yeah about that do i count the take em by suprise passive for gearing or do i ignore it

[frail veldt]

ignore it

this is unbuffed standing out of combat out of stealth

[sly cairn]

so i should just learn KIR and upkeep adr better

sigh

[frail veldt]

you can play HO

both specs do about the same dps

adr uptime is a measurement of how well youre doing but its not something youa ctively try to increase

[sly cairn]

currently my gear is giving me 20% haste tho or is that fine

[frail veldt]

you increase it by using your builders/spenders correctly

thats fine

[sly cairn]

hm ok

[tidal hawk]

i have a related question, my sims seem to prefer crit over haste even tho i'm only like 16-17% haste, what's up with that, do i ignore it and go up to 18% or do i follow the sims like gospel (new HO build)

[frail veldt]

are you playing with PC and without GS?

follow your sim generally though yes

[sly cairn]

is fatebound HO good or is it trash in comparison for m+

[frail veldt]

if you link your sim peopel can double check if youve set it up right

[tidal hawk]

without GS yeah

[frail veldt]

fatebound is garbage compared to trickster

[frail veldt]

yeah thats why

GS is very energy costly

so if you drop it you can lower your haste

[sly cairn]

even though half the bosses in m+ will kill me during KS?

[frail veldt]

yeup welcome to outlaw

[sly cairn]

awesome

[frail veldt]

you can run fatebound if you want

[proven ocean]

@frail veldt u vegan

Or

[frail veldt]

but its like 15% behind

[frail veldt]

rofl no

[proven ocean]

[tidal hawk]

oh cool, ty

[sly cairn]

guess ill then stick to learning how to properly use KS

[frail veldt]

looks tasty

[hollow temple]

any tips for Rookery ? Like Outlaw has meh ST dps which is needed most at last boss

[frail veldt]

yeah thats half the difficulty of outlaw rn

[frail veldt]

outlaw has great ST

[hollow temple]

i had great uptime with KiR rolls but couldnt get above 2.5m

[sly cairn]

but for raid is fatebound HO better?

[hollow temple]

should i swap to sub at last boss?

[frail veldt]

HO fateobund is not

KiR fatebound is viable

but HO needs to play trickster to be competitive

even in ST

[frail veldt]

yeah some people do that

you can also try to play around the windows and just have lots of vanishes ready

and use trinkets like magnet so youc an store up damage for that window

thats what zac does

[hollow temple]

oh magnet ... right forgot about that

i run pacemaker and geargrinder

magnet i only got on hero

[tender wedge]

How long does magnet take to cap stacks?

[tidal hawk]

oh also i can't decide whether to get magnet or pacemaker or whistle (or something else?) with the dinars (currently have codex and geargrinders)

[past sky]

ive seen it said that heroism doesnt do much for us and it definitely feels that way in keys, but is there an actual chart somewhere that shows the relative benefit/dps gained from heroism for every spec?

is it possible to even make a chart like that, eg for dslice or something

[torpid fiber]

bloodmallet has one for PI but not lust

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/power_infusion

[red zinc]

Ive seen outlaws that talk in this channel ask for tips

should name and shame maybe

[random stirrup]

well that's pretty clearly just asking for well endowed gamers

[stuck sparrow]

What is with the latin american realm players and having anime names

[red zinc]

thats eu

we have ragnaros over here too

[stuck sparrow]

Even worse is having an ascii letter.

couldnt get the real name smh

[stuck sparrow]

oh right, but you have sanguino

[red zinc]

They should make an addon that removes sanguino from your lfg

just sanguino though the rest of the portugese realms are fine

[latent oak]

using ascii in ur name is a warcrime (unless it has a special character in the native word)

[red zinc]

my characters are all just tiemyee with letters removed/added

[stuck sparrow]

They had an addon like that in NA

it got removed because "racist"

[red zinc]

We have Timye, Timyee, Tiemyee, Timmy, Tmyee, Tiemy

goes hard

[torpid fiber]

you can almost certainly do it yourself with premade group filter/finder/whatever it's called

[stuck sparrow]

i mean not entirely

because some of them are on regular na realms

you just notice their guild ranks are not in english

[latent oak]

do u think next season they do anything about nelf

[red zinc]

It doesnt matter to me whether they’re latin lmao that is racist

its just the server sanguino thats cursed

[latent oak]

serverist

[red zinc]

has nothing to do with their nationality

[stuck sparrow]

i mean no one likes na rag

or azralon

[red zinc]

there isnt a single good player on sanguino

It is what it is

[torpid fiber]

my experience in low keys is that na rag players aren't worse they're just more likely to crash out vocally
not to say other realms don't also crash out hard lol

[lime lake]

my strat is to always be the worst person in the key so i never get annoyed at others

[stuck sparrow]

na rag loves to rage d/c

[sharp hinge]

i feel like knock2 is the best artist to listen to while playing rogue

anyone else?

[latent oak]

batzorig vaanchig

[torpid fiber]

my mentality is always that i simultaneously want to be the best person in the key because that means people won't flame me but also the worst person because that means there's room to improve

[latent oak]

this fella is better

[red zinc]

can someone actually find a way to use keys on last boss rookery already

Like a guaranteed way

[stuck sparrow]

not playing wow to 10 hour loops of gachimuchi

smh

[red zinc]

yall mfs keep saying it works but i need proof

I aint got alternate trinkets to use rn

[stuck sparrow]

if im the best player in a key thats a bad sign

because i am beans

[sharp hinge]

who tf is gachi,uchi

[latent oak]

genre not a person

gift from the heavens

[stuck sparrow]

you did not just disrespect the goat

[red zinc]

Guhcheebuss

[sharp hinge]

i know who angrybaby is

[latent oak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOCxHu_F5xo

[sharp hinge]

some put it down always hits

[latent oak]

this is some classic gachi

[sharp hinge]

bro its good, but too chill

and what the fook are those voiceovers lmao

id rather listen to ww3 by ye

or liquor liquor by joshua block

https://youtu.be/MgQPSSU1S2s?si=5RCYyNGk7HZ4xiNl

[red zinc]

bout the most generic shit ive heard

[sharp hinge]

you sound fun at parties

[unborn turtle]

!stats

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[red zinc]

Also @frail veldt i went into your own logs

Your geargrinder aint hitting on last boss

[runic bough]

Keep it Rolling is now a passive. It now makes 1 buff rolls turn into 5 buffs. Can only happen once every 3 minutes. Hidden Opportunity build is now the only build with included KiR new affix.

[red zinc]

We should send all HO players to greenland

[runic bough]

or

Hidden Opportunity and Audacity are now passive. This makes Ambush usable with Keep it Rolling build.

[latent oak]

idk its kind of cool that outlaw has 2 builds that are very close

[red zinc]

True

[latent oak]

gotta be pretty rare thing in wow

[red zinc]

still think all ho players should get a 3% wage reduction

[latent oak]

ho tax

[proven ocean]

Bro

Can u stop sending cringe ass essays on bold

[grim spear]

These two builds aren't really that different

[runic bough]

Take'em by Surprise is now a passive. Haste tax has been removed.

[grim spear]

I don't really think outlaw has two distinct builds.

unless there's a build that doesnt take crackshot

[cinder relic]

HO and KiR/

[latent oak]

idk ho is decently noticeably easier i would say

[cinder relic]

Why is crackshot the defining factor for being different, or the same

[grim spear]

they are all "crackshot builds"

[latent oak]

they are also all outlaw builds

[cinder relic]

They are all adrenaline rush builds as well

They are also roll the bones builds

[grim spear]

Their logic is basically the same, and they play almost identically

even their stat priorities are the same.

[cinder relic]

uh

[grim spear]

It's Crackshot that defines the build, not Ho or Kir.

[cinder relic]

When somebody says something so crackshot-phobic you have to hit them with that BTE refund stare

[red zinc]

Every assa build uses rupture too

[cinder relic]

and deathmark

[red zinc]

Is every assa build defined by rupture?

[latent oak]

wait maybe all rogue builds are the same bc we all get kick

[red zinc]

real

[grim spear]

[young wadi]

Is rogue true or real

[lime lake]

my assa build doesnt use dm

[young wadi]

[strong wraith]

Where KS rework build

[wintry solar]

Closest you can do rn is drop Ace in keys with HO for pc

I've been doing that and I've been having a lot of fun

Bad globals are a killer tho

[latent oak]

this is pretty cool

wowanalyzer seems to have been updated somewhat

[runic bough]

hi my name jeff

[latent oak]

u can click each cast and it says what was bad about it

doesnt seeem to be aware of the low combo point coup tho

[red zinc]

ye aug tc person did it the other day

its quite okay

zac/solo approved

[latent oak]

might be a good baseline for ppl doing /log reviews

[wintry solar]

Dumb question but does it subtle changes of build variation? Like of someone for whatever reason chose say deft maneuvers for HO, would it take that into account?

[red zinc]

It is supposed to ye

[wintry solar]

Cool

[lime lake]

https://tenor.com/view/breakfast-club-sunglasses-meme-cool-rad-gif-16058496886766323341

[torpid fiber]

oh that's awesome

[torpid fiber]

peace offering between aug and outlaw

[runic bough]

so uh

I forgot to test hO tricks with 16% haste

maybe i check now

[hollow temple]

it tells me it isnt updated for outlaw

[latent oak]

dont think its fully supported

but alot of it is

like most of the finisher conditions seem to be correct

apart from low cp coup

[hollow temple]

yo KS enjoyer

[frank finch]

shoutout to vollmer

good work

[obtuse hollow]

Sorry what's the point of entering stealth window with crit buff if we're usually rerolling on cd? Doesn't it just get rolled away after a bte or two

Or that's the point, getting a couple more bte with crit buff

[gaunt phoenix]

Trickster doesnt do that

only fatebound

The rule came from before tier tho it still seems worth to stealth with some amount of RP active

fatebound kir, at least, has like 75% RP uptime anyway

[wintry solar]

Solo is there a way to gauge how frequently we rtb compared to bfa?

[gaunt phoenix]

Sure

[wintry solar]

Do you know if we press it more than we did then?

[obtuse hollow]

oh thanks

[gaunt phoenix]

https://simulationcraft.org/reports/T25_Raid.html

these are some sims from the last tier of BFA

current HO https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q3adbzEVQ9Q5SKiSHPYKXB

Looks like HO rolls more and KIR slightly less

[wintry solar]

Ohh interesting

[gaunt phoenix]

than this profile

[wintry solar]

Thank you

Was curious but didn't know how to find out

[runic bough]

GUYS

ALERT

https://tenor.com/view/alert-siren-warning-light-gif-15160785

Capo does more than mace

i used it the whole key

never switch

[random stirrup]

My mace does like 3% if I never switch and has stats on it

[runic bough]

1.5+1.1 = 2.6

ye

hmm

well

shit

false alarms

[hasty fable]

jesus christ i woke up for this....

[runic bough]

https://tenor.com/view/false-alarm-guys-seth-meyers-late-night-with-seth-meyers-no-threat-no-big-deal-gif-20021153

[wintry solar]

It happens

[rotund zodiac]

You are sub now??

[proven ocean]

Cant wait for ryu ban arc

[wintry solar]

Can't wait for killing floor 3

[subtle ginkgo]

man im strugglign with this rotation 😦

[amber bloom]

hows the mechano core amplifier for out;awe

also is outlaw doing well in m+ rn?

[bleak wolf]

i just picked up outlaw so im super new and still learning, is going fatebound instead of trickster just not a good idea at all? for a mix of both m+ and raid?

[tender wedge]

you can use it in ST for raid but its way behind in keys

[storm hemlock]

is loaded dice not proccing for anyone else?

oh

[long barn]

anyone willing to min max my log see what i can improve on

[balmy parcel]

can we just get bfa outlaw back plzzzzzzzz blizz

[hidden bay]

Df post rework was bis

Get that back

Except with new bugfixes

[quick quail]

you mean corruptions on Raden fists?

[frail veldt]

no shotttt Ive seen it explode I swear

[unkempt cypress]

I just want blade rush trickster

They'll nvr bring back old acro, and idk if they'll ever uncap bf

[crimson thicket]

no

[frail veldt]

prob cuz you dont vanish as much as optimal

since you have less cdr from rotation mistakes

[wintry solar]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/outlaw-rogue-mid-expansion-retrospective-hero-talents-current-issues-and-season-377020?utm_source=discord-webhook

FINALLY

[frank finch]

omg

[frank finch]

ok the first two sentences is already good

sandbagging

goodjob

[hollow temple]

mans been refreshing wowhead every 5 minutes for the past 3 weeks

sheeeeesh

[wintry solar]

[fringe cargo]

w article

[wintry solar]

@cinder relic Facts

[torpid fiber]

He's so right

[frank finch]

very minor mention of the haste tax

could of fleshed that out a little more

[wintry solar]

thats a new expansion angle

its as good as I expected

[runic bough]

fuck

I pressed ks on the pillar mechanic on last boss rook

[past falcon]

LMAO

ive done that

[runic bough]

wiped the raid add spawned

we really

gotta remove this

[weary fog]

i like timing it so that i teleport back to the pillar i was on right as it goes off

[wintry solar]

bfa resource with fixed killing spree

[vivid vessel]

@cinder relic I don't wanna say you are biased but, not mentionning ho for the "overload of resources"

Slight bias

Especially when kir plays 1 fth rn

Other than that and the no mention of energy, cool article

You forgot capstone fatebound in m+ as well but oh well

Now I have to go to work and not play outlaw all day

How awful

[wintry solar]

kir doesnt play 1fth. a handful of people do

[frank finch]

TRUE

[frail veldt]

I think most people in m+ play 1pt fth as kir

playing without PC is kinda troll

[vivid vessel]

Top players do

Which means

95% of people do

Because they copy

Top players

That's how the game works

[frank finch]

TRUE

[wintry solar]

most people here sure

[vivid vessel]

Bro

[frail veldt]

read what he said popo lol

[wintry solar]

I did

and im not buying it

[vivid vessel]

Do you know how most people chose the build they play

[opaque jackal]

I'd also add that if Roll the Bones stays with the new idea of "no tracking addons" that this type of playstyle will be even more punishing than it already is. @cinder relic

[vivid vessel]

They go on raider io

[frail veldt]

well provide evidence to the contrary

[vivid vessel]

And pick the top players build

[wintry solar]

idk maybe

[vivid vessel]

Would force them to fix rtb maybe

[wintry solar]

they also go on wowhead

[frail veldt]

does wowhead even have kir build

[opaque jackal]

or just make it optional or remove this cursed ability.

[vivid vessel]

I feel like you haven't played the game for long enough popo or what

People copying top players build is a tale as old as time

[wintry solar]

since 04

[frank finch]

well

[frail veldt]

granted guy has non gs kir build on wowhead

under m+

[wintry solar]

I never said they dont. Im saying that its more reasonable that people go to wowhead over rio

[frail veldt]

so at least some people are taking that build

[frank finch]

blizzard reads wowhead and now they know so now they will make changes right?

[frail veldt]

I

fucking

hate

[vivid vessel]

Remove rtb?

Xd

[frail veldt]

when I want to refresh the lfg page

and instead

I hit

the fucking

X

and delete my filters

WHY WOULD THEY PUT THEM SO CLOSE

[vivid vessel]

Another blizzard UX

That is trash

Makes you wonder

[frail veldt]

what

the actual

fuck

is this

[vivid vessel]

If 3 year old kids

[frail veldt]

genuinely

ITS OVERALPPING

THATS HOW CLOSE IT IS

[vivid vessel]

Design their ui

[frail veldt]

WHAT ARE THEY THINKING!?!?!?

[vivid vessel]

Mewo you ever try listing a key in lfg that isn't yours

[opaque jackal]

I mean if the new philosophy is correct than maybe it's justified that it should?

[vivid vessel]

Gives you 5 cancer

[weary fog]

i love when it refreshes the title i put in like 3 times

[frail veldt]

hahaha

yes

you practically have to trick it into letting you list

[vivid vessel]

No no I do not wanna do a m0

[frail veldt]

it so desperately wants to auto fill

[rotund pulsar]

holy guy is a spy

good post but please don't nerf outlaw's resources

[wintry solar]

imagine they choose outlaw over the other 38(?) specs >.>

though Outlaw has the advantage of being mentioned by Ion assuming that means anything

[opaque jackal]

It won't make it unplayable or "nerfed". Most specs are within 1-4% of eachother and it's not a massive loss. If it does get attention it will most likely go to the drawing board and how to make it more fun or pruned to feel less punishing than it's current state

[runic bough]

*** NOTICE: Outlaw will be the only spec not granted a overview article.***

[wintry solar]

when youre waiting, it felt like it lol

[haughty wigeon]

That’s dumb

Why are we removing rtb

[opaque jackal]

How so? It's the only class that has rng buffs that you have to track if you care about your damage. Most people use a RTB WA to manage the best uptime. The argument is that IF RTB stays there will be complaints.

[haughty wigeon]

Dumb complaints

[opaque jackal]

With the new philosophy of "no tracking addons" by Blizzard themselves.

[frail veldt]

nah its valid

its kind of silly that you need a custom made wa to track container logic to play the spec optimally

thats undeniably absurd

literally 0 argument you could make to give validity to that design being intended

[rotund pulsar]

yes but they can just implement the functionality themselves?

[frail veldt]

yeah the goal isnt to make all specs require no addons

its to meet in th emiddle somewhere

[opaque jackal]

my point exactly

[rotund pulsar]

i mean the arguement is that most people don't care and the spec plays fine as is and then if you want more depth you can get it

[frail veldt]

improve baseline blizz tracking/support

and to prune unecessary bullshit

[frail veldt]

well I said "intended"

I really dont think it was

[opaque jackal]

I am really surprised this isn't the main talking point when Guy put out that article

[frail veldt]

I think they might be fine with its current state

[haughty wigeon]

Yes but we should use that to justify the removal of rtb completely

[frail veldt]

but also p sure they arent thats why theyre aiming to fix it

[haughty wigeon]

Which is what confine is talking about

[frail veldt]

not necessarily

[rotund pulsar]

i mean that entire addon thing is so far in the future

[haughty wigeon]

They can fix it I. Other ways

[rotund pulsar]

it's hard to even talk about it

[frail veldt]

I think you could prune rtb down to relevant buffs

[haughty wigeon]

By normalizing the buffs

[rotund pulsar]

but people talking about removing rtb holy

[frail veldt]

thye rng isnt necessarily the issue

its the need to track them

[wintry solar]

honestly im gonna forget about it by the time it all happens

[haughty wigeon]

Also people gotta realize that the difference in buff overall has always been somewhat minimal for the casual player

[rotund pulsar]

and roll rng is so exaggerated at this point

[haughty wigeon]

Ya we have to track em

[rotund pulsar]

you literally get 5 rolls like every other roll

[haughty wigeon]

But the rng is hardly a issue

[rotund pulsar]

what is there to track

[haughty wigeon]

Specific buffs

[rotund pulsar]

press roll on cd till 5 roll

barely.

1 of the buffs changes your rotation

and it's like

minor

other than that you just roll till you have 5 buffs

then stop rolling

[patent mirage]

what are wer yapping about now

[rotund pulsar]

idk someone said remove rtb

[opaque jackal]

Let's be real and ask yourselves this question, Why would you want to deal with the problems now when you can have it fixed for the better future ideas of Blizzard making class designs more fun and less problematic than they already are if they require add-on's to play at high end game content.

[vivid vessel]

ye but thats not related to rtb itself, just fix rtb lol

[opaque jackal]

Sooner or later it's going to be the main problem regardless.

[haughty wigeon]

Cause your not fixing the problem

Your removing a aspect of the spec

For ????

And trying to frame it as “spec health”

[opaque jackal]

I never said I am removing. I suggested it for the better health of the spec.

[torpid fiber]

I don't want rtb removed but I do agree that container logic is awkward as hell

[haughty wigeon]

When there’s other ways to fix it

[torpid fiber]

but rtb rocks I love it

[haughty wigeon]

Well I’m trying to say

The suggestion is not good

And kinda fucks with what little spec fantasy outlaw has

[rotund pulsar]

feel like the container logic is a bit unintuitive but it's not like - problematic

once you understand it

[haughty wigeon]

Which is something we have to consider with any potential change to outlaws core

[opaque jackal]

So when you don't have your RTB WA to play outlaw are you going to be happy with that?

[haughty wigeon]

Yes

I don’t use one to begin with

Which is troll

[opaque jackal]

LOL

[haughty wigeon]

But it’s my alt

I have the most basic one

I press rtb for super charger

Until I have 5 buffs

[rotund pulsar]

you literally roll on cd right now, it's like the easiest roll conditions outlaw has ever had

[haughty wigeon]

Then leave it alone until I can benefit from super charger again

[patent mirage]

if they remove the ability to track things with was they will shoot themselves in the foot

[haughty wigeon]

Amazing concept I know

[opaque jackal]

How is that fun if you don't know what

[haughty wigeon]

Do I think blizzard should remove addon and weakaura assistance? Well that depends

[opaque jackal]

is going on

[haughty wigeon]

If they’re own ingame stuff is good

If not then lol

[haughty wigeon]

Cause it’s kinda irrelevant when supercharger exists with tierset rn

Roll till 5

Like the name of the game is minmaxing shit and that’s fine

[opaque jackal]

Okay it may be fine now. Then what? S3 comes and RTB isn't in the tier. You still happy

[haughty wigeon]

But there’s a lot of minmaxing with this spec that I find highkey irrelevant for the average player

Especially when they fail at the rotational basics

[patent mirage]

its not about who or how its being used

[vivid vessel]

i have said that for the longest time but as long as i just have a way to compartiment rtb buffs from other bfufs

[patent mirage]

its all about the fact that you can use it

[vivid vessel]

im fine wiht it

[haughty wigeon]

That’s a future rembourrage problem

And the future will probably have different optimizations and simplify

[vivid vessel]

Before that it was just reroll on cd with loaded dice

Not particularly insanely hard either

[haughty wigeon]

There is no point to think about these small things

[haughty wigeon]

That too

I’m sorry if I sound aggressive btw

[rotund pulsar]

the average wow player is just the dumbest mfer on the planet

[haughty wigeon]

But literal years of people blaming rtb for their own or the specs short comings

When it’s not

[rotund pulsar]

i say we remove all complexity from the spec

fuck it

[haughty wigeon]

Is just something so mind numbing that I can’t help it

[rotund pulsar]

bm hunter has 1000 fans and outlaw has 10

[haughty wigeon]

Especially when rtb is again one of the few visuals the specs have

[azure vortex]

Make rtb off gcd ez pz outlaw saved

[opaque jackal]

I mean there is, I guarantee you most people that play it as their main and use tracking addons to play it typically don't enjoy rerolling for good buffs to determine their damage. Also there's more to go around here than you think. Once that is gone in the better future of the pruning of Add-ons, why double down on something you can't track? My better solution would be to make it passive w/ Cut to the Chase, or redesign it as a standard guaranteed buff cooldown.

[haughty wigeon]

Rtb was so normalized and sanitized over the years that it barely has the same variance as it used to have

[wintry solar]

rtb when it was actual real rng

[rotund pulsar]

do you play outlaw?

[haughty wigeon]

Okay again you think rtb rng does more for your damage than it does in reality

[opaque jackal]

I play all 3

[haughty wigeon]

Your giving it way to much thought

[torpid fiber]

"Rerolling for good buffs" this isn't bfa anymore

[rotund pulsar]

then wtf are you talking about

[haughty wigeon]

And this is something outlaw “mains” have to be told by outlaw mains or anyone who has a solid grasp on the spec

[torpid fiber]

rerolling for buffs sucked in bfa when you'd just slam combo points into it and feel shit but rtb as a cd feels fine

[haughty wigeon]

Ya bfa there was a arguement on how bad it felt to dump all combo points to rtb to fish out the best buff

[opaque jackal]

Okay I tried to be reasonable but y'all wanna suffer I won't argue with you but it will be a problem sooner or later.

[haughty wigeon]

This problem no longer exists once rtb was swapped to a energy spender

[haughty wigeon]

Your not being reasonable tho

Your suggestion is legit “let’s remove this aspect of the spec”

For no legit reason beyond personal bias

[opaque jackal]

You're the one saying you like RTB's current state and have no issues with it once it can't be tracked. You went after me when I said it will be a problem once people can't use WA

Simple as that

[haughty wigeon]

And a misunderstanding on how rtb works

[rotund pulsar]

bro

[quick quail]

Some people on here are so dellusional. Like if you play outlaw but don't have 3400+ rio or at least 6/8 mythic, you don't know the nuances of the class and your opinion is just wrong. Sorry.

So many people on here are arguing about the spec stuff while sitting on +10s for weeklies which could be done with one button rotation helper

[rotund pulsar]

when will rtbs not be trackable?

you're fighting ghosts

[torpid fiber]

Am I going crazy I'm pretty sure the addon changes aren't going to affect rtb tracking at all

[rotund pulsar]

they won't remove all buff tracking from the game

lol

[haughty wigeon]

Okay first your pretending that blizzard is gonna remove addons tomorrow

They’re not

[wintry solar]

lowkey just as delusional tbh

[opaque jackal]

I guarantee you they will soon.

[haughty wigeon]

Odds are itll will happen in midnight

[torpid fiber]

They're not killing weakauras they are removing certain api functions

[haughty wigeon]

And there will be so much changes to every class

[patent mirage]

if they remove was as it is now it will be lame as hell

[rotund pulsar]

bro thinks they are removing buff tracking from the game

[patent mirage]

but they wont

[haughty wigeon]

We’ll be dealing with more pressing issues than addons

[opaque jackal]

Ion said it, not me

[haughty wigeon]

No one cares about io rn, don’t be weird and make it into a skill thing when it’s not

[patent mirage]

he said special buffs and debuffs aka boss mechanics

[haughty wigeon]

Your looking way into the future

[rotund pulsar]

your conclusion from reading this is that you won't be able to track your rolled buffs?

or did i miss where he said something

[haughty wigeon]

Odds are outlaw will be radical different

And you can still track rtb on the baseline ui

In your buff bar

[patent mirage]

baseline buff tracking is lame

[haughty wigeon]

Addon support will be removed when they feel like their ingame ui is up to snuff

When the time comes

[haughty wigeon]

You can put in your feedback on how to improve their base ui in the feedback forums

Like the rotation helper and cd manager

[rotund pulsar]

it literally says that you'll be able to track it with the default ui

what is the issue?

like right there in that sentence

[vivid vessel]

i have no idea if this is a shitpost or not

[haughty wigeon]

Way to little people are giving helpful feedback back to those concepts when they frankly should

[rotund pulsar]

and also we don't even know if rtb is one of the speicialzed buffs

cause it's a p generic buff

lol

[haughty wigeon]

Granted

[opaque jackal]

So you aren't sure

[haughty wigeon]

To be devils advocate

[patent mirage]

base ui is shit

[haughty wigeon]

They did mention outlaw by name

[rotund pulsar]

nah i'm p sure

[torpid fiber]

My interpretation of what they've said is that basically every single enemy applied buff/debuff will be a private aura and combat logs will be private but personal buffs almost certainly won't be

[rotund pulsar]

wow no shit sherlock - THEIR ENTIRE POST IS THEM SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO IMPROVE IT

am i in a simulation?

i hate this place

[haughty wigeon]

So obviously outlaw will have some sort of change to its various buffs

[rotund pulsar]

gn

[patent mirage]

if

[haughty wigeon]

We just don’t know

[wintry solar]

lets reset the convo

[vivid vessel]

wtf stay

[haughty wigeon]

Sadly

[vivid vessel]

i love you

[haughty wigeon]

It’s IF

[wintry solar]

rework KS

[azure vortex]

Just remove the ui for outlaw I dont need it

[haughty wigeon]

but we have to have hope

[opaque jackal]

Idk how you can't be sure because it's not set in stone. Lmao

[pseudo charm]

Oh we’re having one today I see

[haughty wigeon]

They will improve it

That or quit angle

It’s really that shrimple

[wintry solar]

alt z gaming inc

[rotund pulsar]

i will eat my shoe

live

[haughty wigeon]

I think

[rotund pulsar]

for every outlaw to see

if they remove buff tracking from the game

[haughty wigeon]

Nah nvm not giving that hot take yet

Cause it’s to spicy

Anywho

Removing rtb completely is silly suggestion

[torpid fiber]

I won't worry about it until that happens

[haughty wigeon]

They can normalize the buffs further

[torpid fiber]

there's nothing we can do to prepare for whatever changes they make

[rotund pulsar]

brother it will never happen

we're fighting ghosts

[haughty wigeon]

But combat players won’t be happy until it’s completely remove cause of their own ignorance /refusial to learn on the subject

[pseudo charm]

I’ll give a hot take: rtb buffs aren’t the kind of specialized buffs and debuffs they’re talking about here. They’re just normal buffs. lol. That shit is for killing raid auras not killing UI customizations

[patent mirage]

they are not removing weak aura buff tracking

[rotund pulsar]

we don't have to give credence to every crackpot conspiracy theory

[torpid fiber]

that was my interpretation, yeah

[rotund pulsar]

you willl be able to tell what buffs youj have

in 2027 world of warcraft

[pseudo charm]

(Not actually a hot take just a “have read the interview” take)

[torpid fiber]

I read it as "every raid buff will be a private aura"

[haughty wigeon]

Legit future problem

[opaque jackal]

You seriously think it's here to stay for the next 20 years? The barrier to entry is gated by addons is all and if they can't get new player guess what they have to fix that issue and figure out a new gameplay philosophy. Every person I have seen talk about whether it's max or dratnos that have talked with ion are talking about this problem being a positive for modern designs. If you seriously think classes that require add-ons to play to track buffs is something normal it's not.

[haughty wigeon]

We don’t have to worry about it

[torpid fiber]

I think the solution to making RTB easier without addons is to make the Base UI support it better

[haughty wigeon]

I mean the community especially the casual one put way to much importance to addons

[rotund pulsar]

who is disagreeing with this ?

[torpid fiber]

have like a little ff14 job gauge-esqe visual that you can use in your ui that has a cute display of which buffs you have and how long they have left

[opaque jackal]

Obviously y'all

[haughty wigeon]

No

You sorely misunderstood everything if you think that

[rotund pulsar]

i'm being ragebaited

used to be believable

[haughty wigeon]

No one wants addons or weakauras to play the spec

[rotund pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-silly-cat-cat-explode-yellow-cat-gif-12654556298327310612

[haughty wigeon]

There is some sort of over reliance on them to optimally play the spec and its removal is a good thing IF blizzard can make improvements to their baseline ui

[opaque jackal]

Okay my point exactly about RTB

[haughty wigeon]

OR

normalize some spec stuff

In the topic of rtb

[opaque jackal]

It needs changed for the better is all I am trying to say

[haughty wigeon]

I don’t think

[opaque jackal]

Obviously you don't

[haughty wigeon]

Rtb needs to be tracked in this current tier

[haughty wigeon]

Okay

Nvm then

If you want to be rude because people disagreed with your “remove rtb” take

[opaque jackal]

You're the only one fighting me homie

If you're mad then be mad because I am trying to state the obvious issues

[haughty wigeon]

Without listening to a single word on why it won’t work/ how the rtb issue casuals have is overblowned and filled with misinfo

Then there’s nothing else to be said

[azure vortex]

I invite you to the rio duel, higher rio's opinion wins

[haughty wigeon]

No your not stating obvious issues, YOU think it’s a issue cause YOU think rtb has some sort of magic variance that decides whether or not you do damage

[naive river]

dude hear me out, hear me out. Edit mode would work for me "IF" i could just change hp bar and target to blocks/ them be the same size in the edit block to line things up properly its a goddamn NIGHTMARE AND I USE UI ADDONS BECUASE I CANT TRUST BLIZZARD

[haughty wigeon]

When the reality is that if your seeing such a swing of damage

[opaque jackal]

I said RNG damage thank you never much, you're welcome to quote it next time.

[haughty wigeon]

It’s probably a more substantial rotational issue

[patent mirage]

they just have to allow for more customization

like seperating buffs for example

[naive river]

or there new tracker just shows those buff properly

[opaque jackal]

Or an optional playstyle is all I am trying to say here

[patent mirage]

not great though

[naive river]

yea im saying they need to make it better

it shows almost everything you need for specs its not quite there needs options in it

[haughty wigeon]

And there it is

[haughty wigeon]

It’s a good stepping stone in the right direction

[runic bough]

Halfway done guys

[patent mirage]

they should have waited more for the cd manager and fine tune it

b4 releasing

[runic bough]

almost 14 resils

[opaque jackal]

I said it from the beginning if you actually want to read what I have been saying than type up a storm of your opinions @haughty wigeon

[haughty wigeon]

and ive told you from the start that the suggestion is unrealistic

[opaque jackal]

How is it unrealistic lmao, It's going to be a problem for most rogue mains unlike you saying it was your alt.

[haughty wigeon]

your trying to change something fundamental to outlaws core and its fantasy

because

[naive river]

i just want to play sub and have everything line up perfectly like paladin

hahaha

[haughty wigeon]

rtb is outlaws fantasy

[opaque jackal]

A ret rework treatment level for outlaw would be magical

[haughty wigeon]

no it wouldnt

holy moly

im done

[magic shuttle]

Glad the article mentioned the early weapon craft problem

[haughty wigeon]

ya totally should make the spec into 3 buttons, have 0 resource and skill ceiling

a return to combat

[rotund pulsar]

they want us to be like ret paladin send help

[haughty wigeon]

like combat players want

[opaque jackal]

Not many people liked it from the start if you want the real honest truth

[naive river]

no no no. i just want my cds to all line up properly without having to sit on anything

[haughty wigeon]

correction

[patent mirage]

ah yes combat

[magic shuttle]

Combat is kinda sleeper in cata unless you get the 200% haste buff from dungeons

[haughty wigeon]

combat players didnt like it

ya know

[patent mirage]

spam ss 5 times till evis

[haughty wigeon]

the spec that was overshadoowed by sin and sub

[arctic hollow]

AR for 15s on a 5mn CD

[haughty wigeon]

HUVGE

[rotund pulsar]

true i hate thinking about my cd's bro fuck it divine storm

[runic bough]

@frail veldt I tried HO today with 20% haste and its really good

[frail veldt]

lol

back and forth with you

[haughty wigeon]

confine

[opaque jackal]

3-4 button who cares were all headed down that way anyways sooner or later

[haughty wigeon]

if you want to return to combat

classic is right there

[frail veldt]

but yeah HO no GS plays great tbh

[haughty wigeon]

play that

[runic bough]

i cant have 16% haste my ring gives too much haste so I just tried with kir haste

[sleek raven]

add 1h guns in the game, give us control of KS and its movement, keep dice gameplay that is pog

[haughty wigeon]

outlaw is here to stay

[naive river]

i like ho outlaw i dont like KiR outlaw

dude 1h gun offhand!

[haughty wigeon]

and to once again change outlaw back to combat to appaise the 5 combat players while fucking over the thousands of outlaw players

[sleek raven]

hell yea

[opaque jackal]

No thanks, It's too boring.

[haughty wigeon]

would be the biggest middle finger to the community

okay

[rotund pulsar]

what would adding 1h guns accomplish?

[haughty wigeon]

then

[runic bough]

ho tricks really picks up faster than kir with the right haste amount

[haughty wigeon]

iwyabwadjhndwanawdkjadw

[rotund pulsar]

we already shoot the gun

[opaque jackal]

he mad watch out

[sleek raven]

fantasy

[haughty wigeon]

nah at this point this is just rage baiting

[naive river]

dude im just saying magical tinker spec gets added

[haughty wigeon]

moving on

[rotund pulsar]

but

[naive river]

1h guns get added

[rotund pulsar]

we already shoot the gun

?

[haughty wigeon]

i want a tinker spec

[naive river]

outlaw gets 1h gun offhands

[opaque jackal]

What if it's 3 buttons

[haughty wigeon]

i think having the option to be a tank tinker and have a mech

like veng demon form

[frail veldt]

idk why people are obsessed with this idea

like it has any implication on rotation

[haughty wigeon]

would be very nice

[haughty wigeon]

fantasy

would look cool

[naive river]

who care if it has implications its cool

[rotund pulsar]

how would it

[sleek raven]

or even better, let us use 2handers and have guns, become Dante

[rotund pulsar]

look

different?

[haughty wigeon]

which is something i think has importance with spec design

[frail veldt]

it could look exactly how it does now

[rotund pulsar]

we already shoot the gun

...

[frail veldt]

yeah

[rotund pulsar]

like we already have

a gun

[haughty wigeon]

autos are pistol shots

[frail veldt]

the fuck yall on about

[haughty wigeon]

dispatch is a shotgun

[rotund pulsar]

yes

[haughty wigeon]

bte is a bigger shotty

[rotund pulsar]

fantasy!

[frail veldt]

that doesnt require a 1h gun equipped

theyc ould do that now

[haughty wigeon]

OR WAIT

[frail veldt]

without adding a random new item type

[haughty wigeon]

dispatch is a pistol whip

[naive river]

yea ranged auto downtime pistol shots? sounds great. OR Mastery gets changed to chance to bliki blast with the offhand

[rotund pulsar]

me when i want to play sub for prog but i have to craft

a 1h gun

[haughty wigeon]

like

[rotund pulsar]

1h sword

[frail veldt]

having another item to farm thats on a narrow loot table

is awful

[haughty wigeon]

smuggler from

[rotund pulsar]

with the worst stats of all time

[frail veldt]

0/10

[haughty wigeon]

swtor

[rotund pulsar]

:D

[naive river]

1h gun offhand happening 100% I WILL IT INTO EXISTANCE

[haughty wigeon]

nah nah

[frail veldt]

I hope it doesnt

[naive river]

fuck world peace

[frail veldt]

awful change

lol

[haughty wigeon]

outlaw equipds

[sleek raven]

next patch legendary

1h gun

[haughty wigeon]

2 handed hunter guns

[sleek raven]

outlaw useable only

[haughty wigeon]

duel wield

[naive river]

hahaha

[haughty wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/finger-guns-michael-scott-steve-carell-the-office-pew-gif-14552925

[opaque jackal]

If anyone is getting dual pistols I feel like DH would get it for the Diablo reference

[naive river]

2h dh spec

[frail veldt]

diablo DH is not even remotely the same

as wow DH

[opaque jackal]

I know

[rotund pulsar]

i get mad at blizzard class devs

[sleek raven]

they start spinning with eyebeam

[opaque jackal]

it would be funny for their 3rd spec

[frail veldt]

if anyone it would be a new hunter subspec

[rotund pulsar]

but ig it could always be so much worse

[sleek raven]

uncontrollably, see how they feel

[haughty wigeon]

dh from diablo probably more related to surv hunter

[frail veldt]

100%

[naive river]

hunter subspec/ or tinker

[haughty wigeon]

or mm hunter

[naive river]

new class

[haughty wigeon]

gib tinkering

[naive river]

outlaw just profits off 1h pistol oh

anyone else miss old acrobatic strikes?

[frail veldt]

rofl

everyone

[naive river]

i shed tears sometimes when im like an inch out of range

[opaque jackal]

100%

[sleek raven]

new hero talent revolving around the 1h gun, yep yep, different ammo and shit, instead of KS, we get the rdr deadeye

[frail veldt]

jesus that would be horrible

[naive river]

i like this

[frail veldt]

AMMO?

brother

youre in the wrong game

gtfo

[opaque jackal]

I also want Killing Spree animation to stop killing people ffs

[naive river]

dude roll the bones changes ammo

RANDOM ON RANDOM

[frail veldt]

go play classic+

[hardy thicket]

Rookery without acro is just

Gg go agane

Hf on every boss and like 80% of the packs

[opaque jackal]

Can't tell you how many times I died on King Mechagon w/ Killing Spree w/ the electro balls

[haughty wigeon]

i mean thats every spec that doenst have range

i think

[hardy thicket]

No

[haughty wigeon]

acro was doomed the moment they gave every melee extended range

[hardy thicket]

I play ret as well and its just laughble how they give 0 fucks

[haughty wigeon]

when acro should have stayed firmly a outlaw and feral druid

[sleek raven]

yea i blame ret paladins

[haughty wigeon]

okay autos are important to ret

[rotund pulsar]

ew

[haughty wigeon]

so jolt that down

again when a spec has no resource minmaxing and no skill ceiling

those important things get lost in the sauce

[vivid vessel]

I wanna play outlaw so bad ..

[opaque jackal]

says the one without a rtb WA

[frail veldt]

they as in blizzard? or ret

[hardy thicket]

Idk if autos are important

[haughty wigeon]

stop trying to start shit

[runic bough]

zac did u see my rating now

[haughty wigeon]

they are

[frail veldt]

as ret?

barely

[vivid vessel]

Yes gg ryuk

[haughty wigeon]

again the spec is baby mode for dad gamer

[opaque jackal]

Nah just being truthful

[haughty wigeon]

so its importance gets lost in the sauce

autos means more hopo

[hardy thicket]

Yeah thats not the point

[frail veldt]

also the time between autos as ret is longer than most aoes in the game

so it doesnt even matter

[haughty wigeon]

and more blade of justice resets

[frail veldt]

you hardly delay them by moving out

[haughty wigeon]

which is more resource

[naive river]

wait i was just reading the pins, gushing wounds for M+ or is echoin void fixed?

[wintry solar]

ooOOOOooOOOOOOoOoooo

[haughty wigeon]

and if the spec isnt tuned for handless monkies

[frail veldt]

I think ret loses less damage from being out of range perma than outlaw loses for being out of range 10% of the time

[haughty wigeon]

we would see the imporance of autos more

[frail veldt]

ngl

[haughty wigeon]

yes

[hardy thicket]

Point is I can move out of shit and still not miss a single GCD and keep doing damage

[frail veldt]

genuinely

[haughty wigeon]

thats the point

cause the spec

[wintry solar]

ooOoOooOOooo

[haughty wigeon]

has no skill ceilng or floor

[frail veldt]

thats not why...

[haughty wigeon]

and made for bm hunter players

[frail veldt]

its cuz theyre abilities are ranged

rofl

[hardy thicket]

Ur just yapping now

[opaque jackal]

honestly just yapping

[naive river]

it is crazy they nerfed every classes extra range for mele except paladin

[frail veldt]

if all of outlaws finishers and builders were ranged

wed also be able to move out of range

[haughty wigeon]

and ill be honest

if it was my way

[frail veldt]

even though fatal flourish value from autos is high

[haughty wigeon]

i would also remove the range from boj and fv

so its only judgement

[hardy thicket]

Like being able to auto is nice and all but not actually missing GCDs perma because you cant be in range

[opaque jackal]

Ret is fine. Focus on outlaw...

[haughty wigeon]

thats our range engager

[vivid vessel]

I mean

We cleave around us

But ye a bit I guess

[frail veldt]

true

but it would feel less bad

to move out of range

if we didnt drop globals

[vivid vessel]

Yes

[frail veldt]

even if it meant not landing autos

[vivid vessel]

Couldn't care less about autos ngl

[naive river]

if we didnt drop globals everything would flow better

[haughty wigeon]

idk they shouldnt have gave every melee auto range extension

it doomed outlaw and feral

[frail veldt]

art team mad

[naive river]

thats where the ranged off hand pistol comes into play

[frail veldt]

"it looked wrong"

[sleek raven]

so when are we getting Samira ult as a finsher

[haughty wigeon]

shit fix for actual issue

[frail veldt]

we already have that

it doesnt help

[naive river]

well if it auto attacked also

[rotund pulsar]

but you already have...

nvm

.

[random stirrup]

HO not even playing deft in keys since you already have so many CP -> kir contributes to too many resources

[frail veldt]

you can do that without an item...

[opaque jackal]

Here's the actual fix, make BtE stun again boom fixed

[frail veldt]

im not sure how this isnt getting through

[haughty wigeon]

would be fun

[frail veldt]

its kinda hurting my brain a bit lol

[haughty wigeon]

but kinda leads to a silly problem

stun dr

[rotund pulsar]

me and you both brother

[frail veldt]

lolol

[opaque jackal]

Kindey moved to a 30 second from 20

[frail veldt]

yeah I feel like were both just at a loss rn

[opaque jackal]

makes perfect sense

[haughty wigeon]

remember when gouge was useful

[naive river]

AOE GOUGE

[rotund pulsar]

what's different about gouge?

[frail veldt]

still is it just shares a node with fucking aoe blind

[haughty wigeon]

[frail veldt]

gouge didnt get worse, blind just got better

[wintry solar]

the cc meta changed

[rotund pulsar]

uhhhhh

are you sure?

[wintry solar]

yeah

[rotund pulsar]

from what to what?

[naive river]

i think more classes just got aoe stutters

[haughty wigeon]

giving vdh so much stops was a mistake

on god

[wintry solar]

ST ccs to aoe ccs

and then everyone got aoe ccs yeah

[rotund pulsar]

feel like aoe cc's have always been more meta than st cc's

[frail veldt]

from like SL to now

well theres just more of them now

than there used to be

[naive river]

like GL getting a full duration kidney in a pug key

[frail veldt]

theres def been an aoe cc creep

over the past 2 xpacs

[hardy thicket]

Also

[haughty wigeon]

talent trees did that

[hardy thicket]

Our ST stun costs a lot

[frail veldt]

more and more specs got aoe ccs

[haughty wigeon]

such a defensive and utility creep out of no where

kinda fucked balancing

[frail veldt]

so st cc specs lost value if they didnt also get lots of aoe

[rotund pulsar]

yeah i get what you're saying now

[hardy thicket]

Most of the ST stuns just costs a gcd

[rotund pulsar]

just didn't think of that in the context of gouge being worse

[frail veldt]

yeah gouge is still pog tbh

imo

[rotund pulsar]

feel like gouge is about as strong

[haughty wigeon]

i guess i could have used a better term

[rotund pulsar]

as always

[frail veldt]

esp in pvp gouge is goated

[haughty wigeon]

cause i ment it used to be something we always had

and now aoe blind is a thing

and every spec has like a million stops

[rotund pulsar]

yeah maybe it's cause i pvp as well

[rotund pulsar]

yeah but you have

an 8 second kidney shot

now

in pve

[frail veldt]

honestly

[vivid vessel]