outlaw

[torpid fiber]

I use a tartarus so now all my binds are silly

[wintry solar]

I get it

Vanish is shift 8

[rigid basin]

My mouse buttons are 7 thru = so I got ss,ps,gs,dispatch,rtb,bte in that order then a bunch of modifiers for other buttons

[agile orchid]

shift 8?

how do you reach the button lol

[wintry solar]

MMO mouse

[gaunt phoenix]

its a mouse button

[agile orchid]

I tried an MMO mouse from corsair and I hated it

I am just using a good old G502

[glass mortar]

yea i use an mmo mouse all my main binds are on 1-12

shift and alt 1-12

it can definitly wear on ur thumb tho

[hybrid crown]

I think the phone number pad style 1-12 would be the best to get used to

[torpid fiber]

I'm a vertical mouse gamer

[rigid basin]

I can't use the 12 button layout, I'm used to what the g602 had (may that mouse rip)

[hybrid crown]

It's a standard for mmo mice

[wintry solar]

I went from clicking spells to an MMO mouse

[hybrid crown]

Also they need to bring back or remake the Logitech g600

[wintry solar]

Would never bind stuff to the keyboard

[hybrid crown]

It's the best one

When my current one craps out I'm dreading having to buy a Razer trinity because fuck Razer, but it's the next best one

[wintry solar]

My razor Naga was a gift from my brother :)

[hybrid crown]

I had like a 2011 Razer naga that I used for a looong time like 1 or 2 million clicks (it had software that tracked it)

Then I got a more recent gen one that lasted a fraction of that time

[rigid basin]

What is y'all's worst bind

[hybrid crown]

The original 2011 one I got lasted through actual hundreds of days of time played in wow

G for interact

I can't find it quickly

[torpid fiber]

jump is in the top left of my tartarus

[wintry solar]

For weirdness?

[hybrid crown]

I don't usually press g

[rigid basin]

Yeah like people ask why the fuck do you have that bound there

[wintry solar]

G is ping

I see

Ctrl shift +

[rigid basin]

For me q stealth or kick on shift alt 0 lol

[wintry solar]

Ctrl shift 0 is cannibalize

[hybrid crown]

Z to sheath and unsheath weapons

[wintry solar]

The OG

[hybrid crown]

X to sit

AD to keyboard turn

[heavy shadow]

Generally what do people think of Pacemaker vs Whistle? I have Geargrinder for other slot. For M+.

[white marten]

Logitech g502 is BIS

great durability

[hybrid crown]

That always triggers the nerds

[rigid basin]

I'm rocking whistle and bike, whistle is fun cuz everyone can see it and it scares them

[craggy barn]

e is my KS now

[heavy shadow]

A good reason indeed

[wintry solar]

All my keyboard bounds are default with the exception of tab

[craggy barn]

alt a is also shiv now

[gaunt phoenix]

whistle is probably a bit more st

[heavy shadow]

and I guess gives you a bit of control when to use it on big packs

[gaunt phoenix]

pacemaker is prob a bit more at mega pulls

[heavy shadow]

I guess pacemaker also makes your life a little easier not having to think of using it

[gaunt phoenix]

you said whistle tho, do you mean geargrinder?

[rigid basin]

Whistle is passive

[craggy barn]

would a hero hoc be worth using for big aoe pulls

[wintry solar]

Also

Shift space is scoreboard

[heavy shadow]

Ah I've read it wrong, okay so both are passive

[wintry solar]

So if you can't jump while pressing shift, there you go.

[heavy shadow]

PAssive crit or passive Aoe

[wintry solar]

It costed me multiple arena wins before I changed it

[gaunt phoenix]

id go whistle unless pacemaker sims better for some reason

Or you multispec

[heavy shadow]

I like whistle too for the aforementioned reason it scares people

[gaunt phoenix]

where pacemaker is certainly better

[white marten]

Whistle + spare keys ftw

[keen belfry]

corsair mouse bad, nagas are basic but good

[heavy shadow]

Outlaw for life

Cheers chaps

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think so

[glass mortar]

i much prefer corsair but nagas are too small for my hands

[gaunt phoenix]

hoc overrated if you ask me

[craggy barn]

spare keys sends from ur facing direction right

[gaunt phoenix]

you can sim 8 target if you want

[rigid basin]

My push group have asked on a few occasions if I have to run whistle, I just tell them it's bis

[real flicker]

is there any way to macro weapon swap to cudgel if i use two crafted swords? it keeps swappin into mainhand and back

[craggy barn]

idk why im asking these questions, i literally cant play for 10days

[gaunt phoenix]

you can swap by bag slot

/equipslot 17 <bag #> <bag slot #>

u have to fuck with it

[real flicker]

wow that's crazy

[gaunt phoenix]

but should work

[real flicker]

thx

[rigid basin]

Oh that's neat

[white marten]

F

[hybrid crown]

Set your backpack to not quick sort

So the weps don't move around

[rigid basin]

https://tenor.com/view/salute-honor-funeral-fallen-soldier-line-of-duty-gif-10102324

[gaunt phoenix]

you can also equip gear sets

/equipset?

[hybrid crown]

Yes but it only works out of combat

[gaunt phoenix]

i see

[hybrid crown]

I found a macro for that

[craggy barn]

i cant play but im going to france

zac is gonna train me

real

[vivid vessel]

i need training

for myself

[craggy barn]

LOL

[rigid basin]

Rocky training arc inc

[craggy barn]

what rank r u rn

3?

7?

[rigid basin]

What key level you at?

[fallen knot]

zac you there

monk rogue keys tonight?

[vivid vessel]

https://www.twitch.tv/zac__________________/clip/YawningFragileLEDUncleNox-JTHAJGa9kLVHhlRK

this is my rank

[thick sail]

well you lived

[vivid vessel]

ye idk

it doesnt damage ytou

really

idk why

i think the explosion is delayed

so you are always out when it explode

[thick sail]

they should have known and moved not your fault 😄

[glass mortar]

LMAO did i just witness a murder

yea ur dot looked like only 1 of them "hit" you

[craggy barn]

i think ive still gotten hit by an explosion when ksing there

[glass mortar]

maybe the delay in explosion is long enough kspree ticks before it

and u were just in range of the aoe of one

[craggy barn]

it just doesnt do a lot of damage through ks stagger

i might be wrong tho idk

[glass mortar]

idk what that means

if its a 1 shot, it should do ur whole hp bar over 8s

[vivid vessel]

ye

[glass mortar]

the stagger doesnt reduce any damage

[vivid vessel]

so like

[glass mortar]

its not a dr

[vivid vessel]

i never take any damage from them

[craggy barn]

yea i know, but i feel like ove gotten hit by it and only had like 5% ticks

[hybrid crown]

@gaunt phoenix if you wanted it what I found was this:
Create two sets with identical gear aside from the cudgel/ST OH
Equip a tabard in one of the sets
Use this macro and change the name of PVPset/PVESet to the names of the equipment sets you created
/equipset [worn:tabard] PVPSet; PVESet

[craggy barn]

i could be completely wrong

[glass mortar]

well 5% a tick is

[craggy barn]

and was just getting hit by other shit

[glass mortar]

what, 80% of ur hp bar?

over the full dot

ticks every 0.5s right

[craggy barn]

i guess higher key more deadly but idr what lvl it happened on

[vivid vessel]

https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxFytHGLV-zMqtrRnP967RfYM9zrCerPBH this one hit me

idk why

but also pulling these onto boss

makes my life

10 times harder

i wanna cut my balls off

[craggy barn]

no cloak?

on phone so cant really tell

[fallen knot]

so it's a yes

[vivid vessel]

honestly my brain was slow af this key

[craggy barn]

ah

[glass mortar]

yea it looks like u tp 2 times on top of mine

[hidden bay]

blame the game not the player

[glass mortar]

first one sets it off

[vivid vessel]

i tought healer could heal

10%

[glass mortar]

u get aoe splashed

[vivid vessel]

its nothing

[glass mortar]

possible in ur first clip u actually tp off of them before they can hit you

murder 2 party members and slide out like a bandit

"cant have been me officer, im still alive"

[fallen knot]

roleplaying at his max

[craggy barn]

lol

[jovial sedge]

where can i find a weapon swap reminder weakaura? tried to google it, just found some cata classic stuff..

[long barn]

Zac has it if you find his name in wago

[grim spear]

Echoing Void proc rate is still bugged?

[craggy barn]

make aure ur looking at retail wow in wago

[jovial sedge]

ok thx

[late swallow]

missed the banger ryu pasta

fuck

[long barn]

Just find Zac in wago, click profile and all his stuff is there and there’s one in it

[glass mortar]

somn is actually a deep state agent trying to get ryu banned

working for the shareholders

😰

[craggy barn]

lol

ryu is doing more than enough to be a target on his own

doesnt need somn

pepw

[late swallow]

shit is getting harder and harder to defend

[glass mortar]

doesnt help when instead of getting pushback people glaze even when he posts the most unhinged obviously not ok shit tho

just cause its funny to u guys

i get it its a meme

[late swallow]

here's the thing

[glass mortar]

just gunna lead to him getting banned tho

cause im not sure he realizes its a meme

[craggy barn]

just smack ryu every yime weran

[glass mortar]

im a nice guy

[late swallow]

originally, ryu would post kinda weird takes with obviously not great gameplay, but he would never be mean and rude to anyone else

[glass mortar]

i dont like smacking people

just zac

[craggy barn]

bonk him

[late swallow]

everyone would immediately rag on him, even though he literally wasn't being mean or rude or toxic

so I kinda defended him for a bit

and then it became a meme

and then he started posting insane shit

and now it's like

[craggy barn]

guy sometimes comes in and says bro wtf

[vivid vessel]

stop shit talking my king

[glass mortar]

i think if guy was here more often ryu would already be banned ngl

solo is a saint

patience of a parent with a discord full of 5 y/os

and hes even chafing on solos nerves recently

[craggy barn]

what ur saying is

[proven ocean]

yea

for sure

[craggy barn]

guy is washed and solo gets it

[proven ocean]

ur either rage baiting or ur completely stupid

im fine with both

used to it at this point

[glass mortar]

nah i get what somn is saying

originally ryu was just like

[vivid vessel]

what

[craggy barn]

whats the most unhinged rogue icon name thing

[glass mortar]

new player to game syndrome with a bit of social ineptness for discord discussions

[vivid vessel]

somnius litteralyt described ryuk

why ross mad

[late swallow]

ryu was always weird, but he was never mean to anyone

[proven ocean]

im not mad

[glass mortar]

and alot of people in discord are overly harsh to those people

[vivid vessel]

bro

[late swallow]

which is why I felt bad for him

[glass mortar]

yea no i mean i try to be nice to everyone

except the french

[proven ocean]

he posts weird shit 24/7

[glass mortar]

especially new people in here who obviously dont post to discord often

[vivid vessel]

is it mdi

or awc

i dont understnad

[late swallow]

yeah I never said it wasn't weird

I just said he wasn't mean or rude

[proven ocean]

like

it is really really weird

not even half weird

[late swallow]

💯

[glass mortar]

ross on the other hand will literally come in here, see a paragraph post of someone with a literal green flower next to their name (newly joined discord) and copy paste their post right below it like its some kinda copypasta

[craggy barn]

two weekends zac

[late swallow]

but not mean

[craggy barn]

idk which is first

lol

[glass mortar]

absolutely unhinged behavior

[craggy barn]

ross on the other hand will literally come in here, see a paragraph post of someone with a literal green flower next to their name (newly joined discord) and copy paste their post right below it like its some kinda copypasta

[vivid vessel]

wdym 2 weekends

[late swallow]

ross on the other hand will literally come in here, see a paragraph post of someone with a literal green flower next to their name (newly joined discord) and copy paste their post right below it like its some kinda copypasta

[vivid vessel]

its litteraly the post bro

from blizzard

why is there pvp

[craggy barn]

it says 2 weekends in the first thingu posted

[vivid vessel]

on my mdi channel

bro

where

[craggy barn]

blue text

[vivid vessel]

ah ye between 23

and 1 june

i mean

who wrote this article

are they dumb

couldnt be more vauge

jsut tell me which is when

[quasi notch]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[vivid vessel]

are they stupid

[craggy barn]

ikr

[vivid vessel]

bro

i swear

physical comps

are better

than dk shit

in 95% of keys

if you are doing a 18 rn

and are playing a comp with dk mage boomie

[craggy barn]

yea but then people have to play bear

[vivid vessel]

i think thats legit worse

than physical comps

[vivid vessel]

or war tank

or brew

[craggy barn]

if u could giga pull on top of bosses

dk mage boomie would be gross

[ebon reef]

get all 3 rogues

[fallen knot]

zac

[ebon reef]

resto for bl and skyfury

and warrior tank for attack dmg

[fallen knot]

should i bind sprint on every spell yes or no

[ebon reef]

bind it on wasd

[vivid vessel]

no

[fallen knot]

i'm a degen i play wqes but keep ad for turning in rare cases

[vivid vessel]

cause then when you actually need it

you dont have it

[fallen knot]

not if i play perfectly and it has 5seconds cd

[ebon reef]

i move with qweasd and when im lazy i use ad

[harsh forge]

another patch notes no remove killing spree

😭

[red zinc]

wym another patch notes

[glass mortar]

i mean kspree isnt getting fixed in a random tuning patch

idk what u expect

[rigid basin]

Found out one of our mages was keyboard turning throughout our ansurek prog

[glass mortar]

lets calibrate to some realistic expectations here

[red zinc]

we alr got ptr update for this week

[glass mortar]

kspree fix would be in a 1.1.X patch

or a 11.X

[red zinc]

11.2

[glass mortar]

never just random tuning stuff

[red zinc]

aint happening in .7

[glass mortar]

and 11.1.7 too far along for them to be hiding class changes at this point

ye

[red zinc]

Can move the flagpole already

[craggy barn]

bro sprint is troll sometimes

like getting onto the conveyer after dog

[rigid basin]

12.x you mean

[red zinc]

i tried doing the no parasol skip

[craggy barn]

u can over shoot ur jump with sprint

[red zinc]

And still had sprint on

[craggy barn]

and land behind conveyer

[red zinc]

And ran into the wall

[vivid vessel]

i mena

[fallen knot]

nah they busy with war on addons

[vivid vessel]

dont even try it

iu told you already

[craggy barn]

yea u dont move speed for no parasol

[fallen knot]

they dont care about ks

[vivid vessel]

its useless

[glass mortar]

u dont even run onto the conveyor

1 grapple up to the spot

[vivid vessel]

you are faster doinfg the normal way

[glass mortar]

1 grapple across to end

and ur done

[craggy barn]

i grapple twice to the button from bottom conveyer

[red zinc]

My warlock goon does that jump and puts down gate now

decent timesave

[vivid vessel]

wait what are we talking about

[craggy barn]

wheres the grspple spot not on conveyer

[fallen knot]

war on addons

[vivid vessel]

you said parasol

[glass mortar]

post second boss workshop

[vivid vessel]

wtf is a parasol

[red zinc]

ye

[vivid vessel]

in workshop

[fallen knot]

and sprint bound to everything

[red zinc]

no

They are yapping about workshop

[craggy barn]

two concos

[red zinc]

Im not

[craggy barn]

convos

[vivid vessel]

yes

ok

god

i was answering timmy

im good

[craggy barn]

ue

[vivid vessel]

ue

[red zinc]

ue

[craggy barn]

phone typos go hard

[red zinc]

nah but that jump goes hard

Not relevant for law but

Surprised it took a year to find almost

[vivid vessel]

its french for ye

[craggy barn]

real?

[vivid vessel]

ue

if you type like a stupid person

[craggy barn]

lol

[red zinc]

ur a stupid person

[vivid vessel]

??/

tim

your name

is litteraly

tim

[red zinc]

are you dissing your own brother rn?

[vivid vessel]

yes

he doesnt mind

[red zinc]

tim aint my real name anyway

[glass mortar]

its clearly timmy

you uncultured frenchman

short for timothy

[rapid mountain]

yo guys, this WA have the container thing ? or better to just use the aura that is on faq for Kir build?

[white marten]

I don’t think that it does . It basically just notifies you of when to roll. It doesnt track your current buffs

[hasty nest]

had this again in ml on last boss, am i cursed? Can't figure out what causes it, not lagging, nothing is broken, just happens randomly

[rapid mountain]

i mean, if this wa tell when to roll considering the container rule

[craggy barn]

gotta record or log or something so we can see probably

maybe ur dropping fazed somehow and get parried

[hasty nest]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6gmNBWw4RpbyXZct?fight=last&view=rankings&playermetric=playerscore thats the log

[vivid vessel]

do you have a vod aswell

or just the log

[hasty nest]

nop, no vod :/

[vivid vessel]

when did it happen

start or boss or

[hasty nest]

start of lass boss

last*

[vivid vessel]

like the first gcds ?

[hasty nest]

yeah legit first attack

[hasty warren]

yo pirates

[gaunt phoenix]

are u sure it's not a weakaura bugging out?

combatlog says you were at full cp

[vivid vessel]

ye

seeing the same thing

[hasty nest]

huh

so its just wa bug?

[craggy barn]

double check ur cp wa

[vivid vessel]

what weak aura are you using idk

i thihk we would see from a vod

[hasty nest]

i swear i tried pushing bte/dispatch

[vivid vessel]

rahter htna log

[hasty nest]

well thanks for help friends, ill just try different wa

[craggy barn]

get wowrecorder or shadowplay i guess

so next time u have a thing

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel ToP+20?

[fallen knot]

i learned

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel

@vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel

[fallen knot]

you cancel rik's frontal

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel

[fallen knot]

if you vanish

[vivid vessel]

hm

[latent oak]

ya its wierd

[proven ocean]

u wanna join or not

fast

free in time

[vivid vessel]

idk if i wanna play rn not sure

alright

let me log

[proven ocean]

but we cant work this through in other dungs

we just want outlaw for ToP cuz its good there

[vivid vessel]

sure

i will do one key then

im fine with that

[proven ocean]

ok ok

[fallen knot]

zeross zac double outlaw?

feels like df s3 no?

[proven ocean]

no

sin+outlaw

we need funnel still so

[fallen knot]

then you're trolling ok

[leaden folio]

zeross is a sinner

[proven ocean]

u need funnel on all keys

[fallen knot]

zac dont go

outlaw is funnel

you legit do single target with blade flurry up zeross heloo

[leaden folio]

funnel 8 target

[fallen knot]

yea it's op

btw zeross still waiting for your gally boost, havent logged off yet since you told me to log in

[white marten]

I doubt it

[latent oak]

who is streaming the top 20

[stiff isle]

zac is, nilrats for rsham pov

[ruby mauve]

Might be a stupid question, just getting back into the game after dragonflight… does ks pull mobs when teleporting around since it actually moves you? I’m always afraid to pop it in m+ but reads on wowhead like it won’t aggro anything not in the pack

[glass mortar]

yes

it will body pull stuff

if ur tank is pulling one pack at a time theres quite a few places in keys it can ninja pull

[wicked kestrel]

If I’m not a mythic raider, it’s safe to assume I should be focusing on getting 681 main hand right? Since we have nightfall weapon

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[wicked kestrel]

Okay thank you!

[keen belfry]

Focus on focusing up

Got you bruh👍

[teal marten]

is the gateway shard control item on gcd?

[rigid basin]

Don't think so

[wicked kestrel]

best advice. Ill have to pass that along!

[visual moat]

should i send KS at whatever combo points im at when it's ready?

[zealous plinth]

Same as finishers

[gaunt phoenix]

No you ks at normal cp unless you fear death

[ruby mauve]

fun. great ability

die and butt pull

ty tho

[vivid vessel]

@daring oxide

top 20

[ruby mauve]

I was under the impression it could not because wowhead says player is not targettable and can't generate threat... got flamed crazy for pulling entire rooms lmfao

[cinder relic]

Where does it say that?

[ruby mauve]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=51690/killing-spree

Oh I must have got confused, in the Flags section it says generates no threat, and a comment from like 10 years ago says the rogue is not targetable during cast... I read it as 2024 instead of 2014 lol. Assuming that's been changed

[vivid vessel]

i mean even if you arent targgetable

which you are

or maybe you arent

doesnt matter

and even if you generate no threat with ks

that wouldnt prevent body pulls

[ruby mauve]

if you're not targettable how can you body pull tho? is there a different mechanic?

does the mob not need to target?

[vivid vessel]

not targettable just means you cant get casted on i think

thats it

[ruby mauve]

ah

shit ability

ty

[agile orchid]

There is no way you are untargetable during KS

I had casters still cast their bolts on me and their damage being staggered

[ruby mauve]

Like I said I think I misread a comment from 2014 with that in the changelog and thought it said 2024, not sure if that still is how it works

[agile orchid]

Would have been cool if it was

[glass mortar]

I have no idea what those flags r but they aren't real

[ruby mauve]

Im just trying to learn how to effectively use in m+ and everyones doing such tight routes that I feel I can never pop the ability

[agile orchid]

You should try to use it on cd

While the animation is happening you are kinda safe

[ruby mauve]

i do, and pull everything lmao

[agile orchid]

Unless you get hit by something that does a shit ton of damage

[cinder relic]

How are u consistently pulling everthing with KS

[agile orchid]

That’s kinda not possible

[ruby mauve]

certain dungeons tank stacks near another group, I end up aggroing one

[agile orchid]

Maybe you are backpedaling into the other group or something

[ruby mauve]

im playing low keys, anytime im with vdh or anything im fine but like I said havent played since df s4

[glass mortar]

Its an issue if tanks pull single packs

[agile orchid]

Also you have permanent tricks so mobs shouldn’t even be touching you anyway

[glass mortar]

We r used to late season medium pulls even in pugs

[ruby mauve]

yeah i trick the tank

[agile orchid]

Unless you just body pull them

[glass mortar]

If ur tank single pulls cinderbrew first room u literally can't KS without body pulling shit

[agile orchid]

You don’t even have to recast tricks

[ruby mauve]

this is the issue im having. tank pulls single packs and I end up pulling the other nearby packs after KS

[agile orchid]

You cast it once and you are done

[ruby mauve]

yeah ik, delve fan weran pointed out my issue here... tanks pulling single packs and i end up pulling too much for the lower ilvl group to handle

just a really sad feeling ability imo, sorry to vent

[agile orchid]

Nah that’s a tank skill issue

Doing soy pulls and not even bothering to move the tiny pack he pulled

[ruby mauve]

yeah maybe I can try to be more vocal about how the class works haha

he was flaming me for "wtf stop pulling the whole dungeon" but I could never do my rotate, also never let me re-stealth so maybe just bad tank

[agile orchid]

Lol

I don’t think you should pay attention to the guy, he seems like an idiot

[ruby mauve]

true dat

thx guys

[glass mortar]

It is a very very cringe spell

Unfortunatly

Thankfully most tank routes pull big enough even in pug 10s this isn't the most serious issue but it can definitly be rough with newer tanks trying to small pull

[ruby mauve]

makes sense, might just jump a few key levels. Was trying to do the natural prog but im in pain

[rigid basin]

If the tank is single pulling CM first room you've got other problems

Just give it the good ol' oh man who pulled that 👀

[ruby mauve]

yeah I blamed my healer once yesterday and he actually thought it was his fault lmfao

[rigid basin]

Hahahahaha

This is the way

[ruby mauve]

swear i didnt ks

dont know what ur talking abt

[dawn talon]

dude the next pull is 4 mobs dw

[rigid basin]

Can't wait for TD to pull shit from places I never knew existed

Our healer already giving me side eye for running it instead of gushing wound

TD proccing during KS is gonna be a funny thing

[upper hawk]

#121880917579923458 message

[tight sentinel]

hey guys, about to try outlaw rogue and wanted to know which is the best M+ with aoe build

[patent mirage]

that might be a remant from the original version of ks

which made you un targetable

[tight sentinel]

so what is the "meta" build?

[cinder relic]

wowhead, faq

[gaunt phoenix]

We have two builds, HO and KIR

KIR is more popular at higher keys, but it needs 19% haste specifically and it's also not easy to play

[tight sentinel]

HO easier than KIR, read that on wowhead

[gaunt phoenix]

HO is significantly easier for similar results

[tight sentinel]

okay

thx

fatebound or trickster for HO?>

[cold jewel]

damn took him straight to Gapplebees

[latent oak]

trickster in anything that involves aoe

[tight sentinel]

okay so most m+s

thanks

[glass mortar]

All of them yea

Fatebound is raid only really

[tight sentinel]

okay thank you

[glass mortar]

(Sprocket only if we are being honest)

[tight sentinel]

haha

i can use my assa daggers right?

(im new to wow sorry for the questions)

[glass mortar]

Only in oh

[tight sentinel]

ho

yes

[glass mortar]

And a 658 world vendor item is bis in dungeon trash so

(In the pins)

[tight sentinel]

can you explain this?>

i didnt get it xD

[glass mortar]

The pins have it

[tight sentinel]

the pins

what is that

[glass mortar]

#outlaw message

[safe sapphire]

what lesser rune are we going for chaps?

[tight sentinel]

oh thanks

[glass mortar]

Also in da pins

[glass mortar]

This thingy

But tldr gusher or TD

Tds a bit troll in keys so ymmv

[safe sapphire]

twilight dev?

[glass mortar]

Yes

[safe sapphire]

cheers pal, ill go for that then

[fallen knot]

team i need help

what would you do? i have 6 sparks, 4 dinars, belt, shoulders, dagger are all myth track, 658pieces are hero, gally weap is hero

[glass mortar]

4 dinars????

[fallen knot]

4 chips

1 dinar and a third

[white marten]

Get better weps

[glass mortar]

😠

[fallen knot]

i have cudgel for m+

[safe sapphire]

and neck

[balmy spade]

you guys can guess what caused my deaths

[fallen knot]

dagger is myth track

high vers and mastery

[white marten]

Crudgel max ilvl is 658 right?

[safe sapphire]

yeah

[glass mortar]

Yes

[white marten]

K

[fallen knot]

do i buy cauldron weap and hope for geargrinder keys on vault/mythic pugs?

[safe sapphire]

sims higher though and im 677

[white marten]

In m+ its bIS im pretty sure

[safe sapphire]

uncapped aoe on steath 😛

4% of total damage in keys

[white marten]

Ye op

Ive yet to use mine always forget to swap to it

[fallen knot]

i have 6 crafts, which probably will be cloak neck 2xrings wrists and boots

[white marten]

Dew it

[fallen knot]

thing is

do i buy

cauldron weap or geargrinder trinket

i can just wait for wednesday

[white marten]

Is cauldron wep myth?

[fallen knot]

and see if i drop one or the other

yea ofc

[safe sapphire]

weap

[white marten]

Do that one then

[fallen knot]

but i mean

[white marten]

No

Just do it

[fallen knot]

i should buy weap and in 2 weeks trinket

[safe sapphire]

gg on 2min cd, no cd on melee

[fallen knot]

if i dont get

if i get another cauldron weapon then it's gg 2x myth haste vers ez

[safe sapphire]

++

[fallen knot]

no i will never clear mythic mugzee on this one, it's a third alt

so no fist weapon

before anyone asks

ok then it's set

we do vers or damage embellishment?

[safe sapphire]

for weap

Rad power id say

embell

[fallen knot]

no embell i read it's damage but it's omega useless

[slate plaza]

!haste

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[fallen knot]

ok onto farming gilded then

if i drop jastor do i /destroy it from emissary of war?

[safe sapphire]

https://www.archon.gg/wow/builds/outlaw/rogue/mythic-plus/gear-and-tier-set/10/all-dungeons/this-week#gear-tables

[fallen knot]

why is this tierset full mastery

they really forgot about outlaw this season

i was just looking at stats

[prime cloud]

Does adrenaline rush resset with key start?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes but you don't really have a reason to press it

[fallen knot]

solo cauldron weap is valid yes

over geargrinder trinket

myth track that is

[hollow temple]

phys comp pog

[proven ocean]

20 hits omg

[red zinc]

that means ur group is slackin

zac got like 10 didnt he

[fallen knot]

8

[vivid vessel]

its capped lol

boss doesnt go bellow 90% or whatever

[stiff glade]

you can't hit more than 8 times as outlaw actually

not uncapped

unlucky

[fallen knot]

WHO SAID ASSA IS BETTER HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

ok zeross trolled with sub

but

6.35m assa would not get that high

[hasty warren]

why u play sub zeross lol

[vivid vessel]

he swapped after second boss

[fallen knot]

for what exactly

[vivid vessel]

boss damage

i think he cant survive

third boss as outrlaw

[fallen knot]

i cant either

does that mean zeross is as weak as me??

[hasty warren]

why he don't play assa so lol

[vivid vessel]

ross told me outlaw sucks in dfc

before the key

btw

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[fallen knot]

ok but lets be honest though, average assa player does more damage than average outlaw player in dfc no? you're at the highest of the ends in terms of outlaw skill

[somber ridge]

like .. do you think outlaw is at all impacted by this?

[vivid vessel]

idk

ross also dced for like 2 packs so

[fallen knot]

likeuseless stat

could aswell be vers no?

[somber ridge]

could be. but it actually does not matter. like at all.

[fallen knot]

since assa doesnt care about stats ever

[mighty pivot]

they could also make mastery not terrible

[fallen knot]

ok but i want 0 mastery on my gear

just like in s3 df

[somber ridge]

fair point. actually I apologize. If I read stuff like "tHeY fOrGoT aBoUt OuTlaW" I always feel like reading wowhead comments and those trigger me. idk. I would actually also enjoy just not seeing mastery on any of my gear

[fallen knot]

no like

i 90% meme when i write stuff here

9% i ask stuff i could aswell read in pins

1% bother zac

[somber ridge]

seems like time well spent

[fallen knot]

ye

[rigid basin]

only 1%?

[wintry solar]

Bothering Zac is why most of us stay

[obtuse hollow]

Is there any way to see my supercharged stack? There doesn't seem to be any visible buff indicating that

[wintry solar]

There isn't other than your cp bar

Why do you want to track it?

[worldly gust]

does this mean a fist weapon is faster attacking than a dagger? so i should aim for a fist weapon in my offhand, or does a higher value mean it takes longer to attack?

[gaunt phoenix]

No the dagger is faster but it doesn't matter

[worldly gust]

oh okay, thank your for ur quick reply :3

[gaunt phoenix]

Just weapon dps is what matters

[worldly gust]

thank you

[naive leaf]

off topic but does anybody know what the addon is that announced upcoming boss mechanics, covers my buffs on boss fights lmao

[vivid vine]

you guys just holding ks usages on candle king if the tank isn't rly moving away from candles? i'm trying to use 1/2 cp ks's but sill get stunned sometimes

[white marten]

Use 1-2CPs then

[hasty warren]

I want candle to melt

[proven ocean]

sin does more than udk in DFC

but

i swap out after 2nd boss

so that doesnt matter

[somber ridge]

bigwigs? deadly boss mods?

[fallen knot]

am i dumb

[rancid portal]

Hi guys, I'm using Afenar's WA, do you know how to add supercharger stacks to CP?

[fallen knot]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[light verge]

Signet any good for us? Managed to get a myth track in vault but i have a junkmaster and hotline champ track

[mighty pivot]

what I did is add a new border to each combo point bar under Resources->Combo Points (called CP1..CP7) and have the Show Border tickbox unticked, and then in conditions add a condition for Charged Combo Points >= X (where X is the number in CPX) to enable that new border

[teal marten]

anyone here using atrocity UI? does it track everything that needs to be tracked for outlaw?

[tender wedge]

its not TERRIBLE in that it has a lot of agi

it's probably the best stat trinket

maxed out it's almost certainly better than both 658 trinkets you've got now

*in aoe

in ST probably close

[fallen knot]

ok so

what mechanics in m+ can i use evasion on and not get oneshot?

[cloud thunder]

top miniboss circle

shaynemail

uh

[tender wedge]

i assume you mean because it doesn't hit you at all, and not because of the DR from the talent

[fallen knot]

yea cause i evade

not cause i feintx2

last boss of motherlode frontal?

also what happens if i vanish with rocket on me there?

[tender wedge]

yeah

the machine gun you can evasion

[fallen knot]

does rocket reroute, disappear or stay on me if i vanish?

[thick sail]

it stays where it was and explodes after a time

[fallen knot]

ok

what the fuck

[tender wedge]

makes sense, it's on a timer and it can't chase you if it can't see you

but that probably means it's going boom in melee

[fallen knot]

yea

[thick sail]

ye its nice if you dont like your teammates

[mighty pivot]

just vanish the rocket cast instead

[tender wedge]

that would just have him target someone else though right

[mighty pivot]

no

it cancels the cast and the rocket goes on cd

[tender wedge]

neat

you never really know

[mighty pivot]

same for the last phase beam on the last boss of mechagon

[fathom ravine]

!opener

[warped spruce]

is twilight DEV spooky to use as Outlaw cuz you can't point in a direction as you Killing Spree and it can proc during?

[craggy barn]

if u r worried about ninja pulls dont use it

theres not a lot of places imo where it could happen except priory

[tender wedge]

if you've embraced KS and TD you've already decided you dgaf

[craggy barn]

ye

[tender wedge]

if you ask me

[craggy barn]

i use it and never pulled

ez

[tender wedge]

let jesus take the wheel type shit

[warped spruce]

lmfao @craggy barn you use TD?

[craggy barn]

it dont matter if u pull big anyways

yes

have had no issues so far

only ninja pulls were in horrific vision 5 mask

keep in mind i havent done hogh keys with the enchant yet but thats bc im on vacation now

[warped spruce]

im not really either, working on timing 14s rn. so i dont think its that serious

[craggy barn]

nah its chill if ur tank pulls good

[warped spruce]

thanks

[red zinc]

Yeah I spread misinformation and it ended up on the pin

[craggy barn]

lol

[red zinc]

and now everyone believes it

[craggy barn]

idk if it does ninja pull

but its not happened for me

[red zinc]

I went back and looked at the log and it ninja pulled once

But havent seen it since

[craggy barn]

usually doesnt stray far enougg

[fallen knot]

i'm pretty sure i ninjapulled twice in cinderbrew today

[craggy barn]

u need to be pretty close to another pack

[fallen knot]

during ks btw

[red zinc]

I mean you ninja’d with ks

that happens

[fallen knot]

no

[craggy barn]

ye

[fallen knot]

i shot

the beam the wrong way

[craggy barn]

ive ninjad woth ks bc tank didnt pull slimes back enough to skip last unit in wa

[fallen knot]

during ks

[craggy barn]

lol

u COuLD ninja pill on big momma

if u skip the sniper pack on the dog platform

or maybe even the cultist

[mighty pivot]

anti-TD propaganda will not be tolerated

[craggy barn]

lol

[sullen wyvern]

is it ok to sim as 5m5t?

for m+

or should I keep it dslice?

[craggy barn]

dslice generally

[sullen wyvern]

Aight thanks

[craggy barn]

depends on why ur simming 5t5

[sullen wyvern]

most specs sim for 5m5t for M+

[craggy barn]

dslice is good enough for us

[mighty pivot]

5 patchwerks will not sim cudgel properly for instance

[fathom bramble]

a lot of specs in simc for one reason or another don't have robust enough event handling to make dslice good

it ends up being decent for us thanks to having event handling when it matters and all 3 of our specs are just pretty simple when it comes to aoe damage

[vivid vessel]

i think dslice is also not good for cd specs

becuase mobs arent like

ok we pull all these mobs together

its like

ok you have 3 big guy

[fathom bramble]

yeah that too

[vivid vessel]

and 10 sec later you might have another add wave

which makes a pack sure

but thats not really how a pack is formed in m+

[fathom bramble]

it can also result in weird fake optimizations that are just a result of dslice timing

[vivid vessel]

for coldowns

[fathom bramble]

for cd classes

[red zinc]

Idk why you’d sim 5t5m though

Thatll never happen in m+ ever

Better to do 5t1m or 8t1m or even 10t45s

for outlaw it doesnt matter ofc but

Lotta people simming crazy long aoe sims to simulate m+ and it just doesnt make sense

[chilly pebble]

Question if i got Gallywix weapon from cache do i still buy mugzee from vendor and just use both?

[random stirrup]

the idea for cd specs is that if you only sim 10t45s you overemphasize burst

[lime plank]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[random stirrup]

like on use trinkets are going to look very good in 10t45s but 10t5mins will give a more realistic idea, since you aren't going to have full cds for every pack

[tender wedge]

well yeah, would assume that if you're educated enough to be using non-standard sims you'd understand the context of the results as well

but that's probably not reality lol

[restive charm]

are there any items worth getting from the raid on heroic track?

[gaunt phoenix]

capo

[tender wedge]

mugzee knuckles are good

[restive charm]

no trinkets i guess?

[long barn]

I mean, the mug trinket is good no?

[gaunt phoenix]

geargrinder magnet

[tender wedge]

not really. best trinket is the keys off the first boss so it's very lootable

mugzee trinket good too for pure ST

but on heroic it'll probably fall behind other obtainable things

[gaunt phoenix]

if you dont M raid

[long barn]

So many bosses in this raid season with adds. I would have to guess your right other stuff even on mythic pass it up

If you mythic raid would you get the mugzee trinket?

[gaunt phoenix]

there is prob a world where you use H geargrinder and H magnet and eventually dinar them into M whistle and M pacemaker

[tender wedge]

the thing that puts me off using dinars on the heroic stuff is that those trinkets are just not very attractive for many others

so you've got a strong chance to win it natty

[restive charm]

i dont mythic raid and i only heroic raid for loot, thatswhy im asking if i should by anything heroic track or go for 2 m+ trinkets instead

[long barn]

I would def get mythic track stuff

[tender wedge]

in that case id' hit my 12s and save dinars for mythic m+ stuffs

[long barn]

Agreed

[tender wedge]

as solo says

[restive charm]

pacemaker and cinderbrew thingy?

[tender wedge]

no stay away from that bee

[long barn]

Solo, what’s the best way to sim these mythic bosses with all the adds.

[tender wedge]

you want the wax whistle (?) from DFC

[long barn]

Like one arm and Gally and shit

[random stirrup]

new bis outlaw chest piece?

[frank finch]

[restive charm]

oh really, who would have guessed, didnt have that on my list, thought some heroic gally or mugzee trinkets would maybe beat it but ok good to know thanks 🙂

[tender wedge]

get those Deadshots mate

[tender wedge]

yeah it's kinda like geargrinder keys, seems just kinda ok on paper maybe but performs really well

[restive charm]

it reads pretty good actually but since wowhead had it in b-tier i wasnt even thinking about it honestly^^

[chilly pebble]

is there any world where you would play mugzee and gally weapon?

[long barn]

On Gally

[gaunt phoenix]

In raid yeah.

[tender wedge]

both on myth track is technically bis in raid

[long barn]

But then.. once you’ve beat it then why do you need it

Solo, what’s the best way to sim mythic add bosses

Like one armed and stix and whatever

[tender wedge]

oh shit

i don't need any of this stuff

what am i doing

[chilly pebble]

cause i got gally weapon from the quest box and now idk what to buy with my coins

i was gonna get mugzee weapon

[inland walrus]

do you kill boss faster in priory first boss if you dont hit the boss but the other guy as outlaw?

[latent oak]

first boss priory share hp

u wanna hit them both

[tender wedge]

he's asking about the weird BF amps which actually end up flurrying over 100%

under the right conditions

[latent oak]

ya but it doesnt matter

any damage dealt to one is dealt to the other

[inland walrus]

i was watching zac play psf and he was hitting the other target and i just wonder why

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah they share damage anyway

[latent oak]

it doesnt matter which one u hit

[inland walrus]

ok i guess its better to hit the not jumping one then ;d

[gaunt phoenix]

the other one doesnt jump around

[restive charm]

do i press flurry on cd? and if so even in st?^^

[tender wedge]

never in ST

[vivid vessel]

only in aoe with deft for cp gen

[restive charm]

so with this build i dont press it on cd? or could i spec anything away for deft?^^

[tender wedge]

deft good, use it as a builder (on cd) in aoe, never in ST

wait thats HO

it's mostly used with KiR build

HO doesn't need the CP as much

[white marten]

HO is love
HO is Life

[shell fossil]

do we use heavy hitter build in raid ?_?

[plain halo]

outlaw is hard...I just can't get my brain around all the conditions

[mossy shell]

Triple outlaw meta?

[modern tapir]

no warrior buff

susge

[vivid vessel]

huge !

[mossy shell]

you don't need warrior buff

they do like 1.2m overall anyway

[vivid vessel]

we did double rogue

also worked very well

[mossy shell]

Definitely a faster comp

[vivid vessel]

idk lo l

outalw kinda blast

[mossy shell]

we are gonna do some 19s now I will report back with proof triple outlaw is bis

[vivid vessel]

!

huge

[tender wedge]

why would we expect triple outlaw to be like...so meme-y its unplayable. specs good, you're just losing a couple of buffs perhaps but damage isn't a problem and innnate tankiness makes up for something for sure

[red zinc]

i mean its the same as in DF s3 TOTT

you do not have stops

its cheese as hell

pretty much just brute forcing dungeon with damage, works fine but definitely not ideal

[vivid vessel]

i think its just easy to play

cause outlaw cant die

[proven ocean]

we have stops tbh

[vivid vessel]

you dont do have to stop every single cast like for boomie and shit comp

[proven ocean]

ye

[vivid vessel]

like remember enhance

if a cast goes out on an enhance

eta gg man

[red zinc]

i meaen i guess the stops overall have been nerfed

[vivid vessel]

on outlaw?

[red zinc]

it was just like

[vivid vessel]

i can tank 3 casts brother

[red zinc]

in s3 other classes were so absurdly stupid

going from vdh to a prot warrior

felt like every cast was suddenly going through

probably less noticeable now

[lilac mango]

Does the trickster tricks of the trade buff work properly?

[red zinc]

yes

[vivid vessel]

activate it

by hitting something

[lilac mango]

mine still shows 30 secs in key

am i dumb

[vivid vessel]

yes

[vivid vessel]

^

[red zinc]

either you dont have it talented or thats the initial buff

only activates after hitting something yeah

[pliant wind]

thats why blizz put trickster into need for KS

to die

[vivid vessel]

True

[red zinc]

i mean you can definitely die when the healer doesnt heal you for 6 seconds on bl pull rookery before 2nd boss

[pliant wind]

we are very very tanky with feint and evasion

[red zinc]

[pliant wind]

but a bad timing and OOPS KS HIMSELF

[vivid vessel]

It's not only that tho

[proven ocean]

not rly

[vivid vessel]

Routing is easier

[proven ocean]

mage has infinite stops

[vivid vessel]

You just pull mobs

[proven ocean]

and boomkin beam

vdh infinite stops

priest has stops

dk has stops

legit everyone has stops

meta comp is crazy broken u have no idea bro

[red zinc]

its broken

just not as broken as back then

[vivid vessel]

Like with these cooldowns comps you need to make sure you do good routing around cd, potentially bigger and more dangerous pulls with CDs

[red zinc]

fuckin 9 second silence x2?

[vivid vessel]

With outlaw comps you just pull

[red zinc]

or well

9s + 6s silence

and the insane cdr on those sigils

idk how that spec ever made it through the ptr

[proven ocean]

it is still as broken as back then

they can stop legit everythin

its just harder for pugs now

[pliant wind]

like outlaw with bugs during expansions

[proven ocean]

same for premades

xd

[pliant wind]

blizz ptr things

[proven ocean]

eitherway

our comp everyone can live 1-2 casts

so

we just assign like

[proven ocean]

90% of the casts

[red zinc]

help a brother out man

ALOO

[proven ocean]

and we're fine

[red zinc]

ONE HEAL

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel how does it feel to play with humans

[pliant wind]

u were attracted

[proven ocean]

ngl pugs are crazy bad

[vivid vessel]

It's actually kinda cool

Lol

Very easy

[red zinc]

bro this man literally made comments about someone not using buttons later in the key

and hes doinng that

[proven ocean]

legit everyone