Without WA's classic raiding would still be fun like
#outlaw
runic bough
wintry solar
For sure
daring oxide
daring oxide
Without WA's classic raiding would still be fun like
but thats the thing, classic raiding is the most basic form of raiding wow ever had
craggy barn
yes theres specific things he says in there that were kinda bleh
daring oxide
and its also an insanely easy mode version of the game
craggy barn
but the overal sentiment and mission statement is consistent
daring oxide
if you compare raids this expansion to raids in classic
its a complete different game
vivid vine
big mechanics announced by voicelines are fun aswell imo
wintry solar
big mechanics announced by voicelines are fun aswell imo
SASHAY RIGHT!
daring oxide
rotations were one button (spamming frost bolt)
torpid fiber
I'm generally a fan of most of the approaches I just dislike cutting party cd tracking
But at the same time, if they didn't break that people would find some ogcd low cd toy to use as their macro and have add-ons detect usages of that
daring oxide
bosses had one mechanic per fight
craggy barn
i wonder how pvp players wil handle the change, since i remember old AWCs/blizzcons they werent allowed to use any addons (even when weak auras/omnicd etc were good back then)
daring oxide
its impossible to fail in clasic
wintry solar
i wonder how pvp players wil handle the change, since i remember old AWCs/blizzc...
I can see it being a lot more competitive tbh
daring oxide
I'm generally a fan of most of the approaches I just dislike cutting party cd tr...
or just use some kind of overlay/external communication app
vivid vine
yeah all the pvp's started using addons after lans stopped being a thing i believe
blizzcon was without any addons
craggy barn
I can see it being a lot more competitive tbh
i can see the competition actually getting smaller, bc a lot of the older gen pvpers used to handle all this shit natty
bc of lans
at least for a time
wintry solar
Lans?
craggy barn
LANs
wintry solar
Idk what that is
craggy barn
local area network
lime lake
old tournaments
craggy barn
in person tourney
lime lake
where everyone is in the same place
wintry solar
Oh that LAN
vivid vine
basicaly irl tourney
craggy barn
basically what im saying is
torpid fiber
or just use some kind of overlay/external communication app
this is true but I think they're hoping people either won't do that and coping based on ff14
vivid vine
but yeah would be interesting to see how the new pve talent picks up the no addon pvp
pvp*
craggy barn
ye
wintry solar
i can see the competition actually getting smaller, bc a lot of the older gen pv...
Maybe. There's def a lot of people who are that high because of CD tracking and weakauras telling you the rogue is in subterfuge. An argument could be made it has similarities to DBM but that's a different convo.
craggy barn
it depends on the state of class design at that stage i guess too
vivid vine
idk if you guys ever imorted mes WA pack
craggy barn
and also depends on if those pvpers adopt going addon-lite in anticipation
wintry solar
idk if you guys ever imorted mes WA pack
A literal cheat sheet
vivid vine
just perma shit shouting at you
i couldn't handle it
i'll just get my 1800 mogs and be happy
and accept i'm a shitter
craggy barn
lol
runic bough
What I meant when u said we could go back to classic raiding, is They could then expand on that. Instead they have been choosing a set of mechanics to allow players to put in a boss addon. This created less work for them so its pretty obvious why they went this route and just let players use the addon for each set of mechanics. This way they didn't have to create visual/reactive cues and just spawn mechanics based on timers.
craggy barn
when i pvp the only pvp addon i use is gladius
vivid vine
i got big debuffs and gladius
runic bough
They could expand on classic raiding by adding more visual and reactive cues.
Type mechanics
wintry solar
Noooo
cinder relic
U know that many classic encounters became trivialized BY weakauras right
wintry solar
Let's not make the classic Andy's mad
cinder relic
Weakauras, even when the game didnt have them, made them significantly easier fights when classic happened
runic bough
Yes but this is if they remove boss addons.
cinder relic
What?
runic bough
Give us more visual and reactive mechanics
vivid vine
tbh like hc raids atm you don't rly need WA's so if they can just do lil bump in complexity from that
frail veldt
You def don't need was for heroic
You don't need them for most of mythic usually
Its mostly a prog thing
cinder relic
U dont need them but a lot of classic fights became easier with the advent of weakauras
and classic wasn't exactly designed around weakauras existing
as they literally didn't exist back then
frail veldt
Yeah
True
Back when raid leading was actually a role lol
Now it's more like raid organizer
vivid vine
you also dont need timers for everthing if there is an audio or visual cue like 2 sec before it happens
wintry solar
This should've been done years ago tbh
craggy barn
there kinda is audio queues for boss abilities
vivid vine
yeah some
craggy barn
kinda
lime lake
kinda
vivid vine
but for like drills on sprocket
lime lake
cinder relic
a timer is more powerful than an audio queue
as you can play for a timer happening in 30 seconds
latent oak
@late swallow press control alt shift w in discord
cinder relic
the boss likely isn't queuing an audio line for an attack happening in 30 seconds
frail veldt
Yeah
lime lake
maybe its a dbz boss
frail veldt
Timers are gonna be hard to ever replace
vivid vine
yeah that's why i thought 2-3 secs before a mechanic goes off
craggy barn
addon removal
back to using the built in timer to see the combat time and prep that way pepw
torpid fiber
Are timers actually OP enough to be worth removing though?
(Also I'm pretty sure they said they were going to make timers baseline)
runic bough
I dont get why they can't just make their own boss ui system to replace boss addons
vivid vine
baseline timers would be nice
latent oak
they are?
craggy barn
they will?
cinder relic
well thats what they are
craggy barn
ryu wtf are u on
lime lake
i mean thats what they said they are doing
runic bough
I'm kinda sleepy
dense bolt
torpid fiber
Are timers actually OP enough to be worth removing though?
(Also I'm pretty sur...
The company is building in all of this functionality in part because they know players will find ever-more-circuitous routes to getting the information if they don't. If boss ability timelines aren't a thing, he suggested, players might turn to YouTube videos or recorded sound files that would provide audio countdowns when pressed at the start of a heavily scripted encounter.
from the pcgamer interview
torpid fiber
basically confirms to me they're going to add timers, which I think is smart
vivid vine
feel like taking away timers would make progress for alot of people waaaaaaay more ass
torpid fiber
I like timers a lot
craggy barn
the basic jist is they want to take the addons that exist, and build them into the game somehow
for readability purposes
vague cape
feel like taking away timers would make progress for alot of people waaaaaaay mo...
they'd have to revamp how they design bosses
cinder relic
There is where ryu complains about them taking this long to fix the problem that has existed forever
torpid fiber
Timers feel like a thing that means you can make interesting choices without having to learn an uninteresting skill
lime lake
i mean in an ideal future the base game truly does give us the information we need in a clear way and we dont need wa
vague cape
spell queueing with no timers sounds like hell
slate plaza
yo
lime lake
it is possible
slate plaza
on stix
vivid vine
also with inbuilt timers we dont have wrong timers for the first 2 weeks
lime lake
i just dont trust them to execute on it
vivid vine
which is hyper
slate plaza
whiole stix flying you can ks him
shut prism
should i still buy the Capo's Molten Knuckles even that is not sim better than the weapon i have?
lime lake
especially in the time frame they've given
craggy barn
should i still buy the Capo's Molten Knuckles even that is not sim better than t...
anything else from dinars that sim good for u that u cant get?
vague cape
should i still buy the Capo's Molten Knuckles even that is not sim better than t...
probably not, what are you replacing though? it should be true-bis mainhand
vivid vine
what timeframe did they give? implementation on new expansion?
slate plaza
should i still buy the Capo's Molten Knuckles even that is not sim better than t...
its bis offhand
craggy barn
a long time
lime lake
nothing specific
craggy barn
they didnt give a hard time frame because they know it will take a while
shut prism
should i sent here the sim or dont need?
lime lake
just not the next couple patches
craggy barn
they jus twanted to talk about it now
runic bough
Well let's say OAB for example.
Its a reactive encounter based on the coins given to boss.
We need more of this and less reliance on timers.
craggy barn
so that players arent surprised when they do shit
lime lake
next expac is not a lot of time
craggy barn
theyre gonna get the ball rolling
lime lake
expac after midnight and i'd have a bit more faith
craggy barn
but nothing will be fully settled for a while
vague cape
its bis offhand
put some respect on my homie cudgel
torpid fiber
Generally I agree with most of the things they're doing if they implement them well (which I have doubts), it's specifically the lack of a kick tracker I dislike
craggy barn
Generally I agree with most of the things they're doing if they implement them w...
yea thers a lot of tracking things they want to remove that im not sure what their plan is for replacement if any
vague cape
craggy barn
bc its huge qol to have em
latent oak
this is what im most 'worried' about
slate plaza
<:yAngryCry:702860328123367434>
torpid fiber
I think kick trackers are giga for pugging and also reduce toxicity
vivid vine
removing kick and stop timers would make their mdi competition interesting aswell
vague cape
this is what im most 'worried' about
bro no way they can do it, I have 0 faith
they can't replace weak auras
its too good
cinder relic
removing kick and stop timers would make their mdi competition interesting aswel...
Why
Ppl at the highest level, are comming
glass mortar
that change effects pugs
vivid vine
yeah but the current shotcallers have an overview
latent belfry
I think kick trackers are giga for pugging and also reduce toxicity
i mean lowkey, ppl being toxic to me for not kicking is how i learned to kick and stun more xd\
glass mortar
infinitly more then it effects mdi players
that is a massive nerf to healers in no coms keys xd
vivid vine
would put more responsibilty on the grp as a whole
torpid fiber
i mean lowkey, ppl being toxic to me for not kicking is how i learned to kick an...
Yeah and what kick trackers do is mean ppl only get flamed for not kicking if they're actually not kicking instead of if they're doubling up
vivid vine
instead of offloading it onto shotcaller
dense bolt
i mean i really do think we are going to get a clarification post right?
like a lil blue post
dense bolt
thats not true
torpid fiber
Blizzard doesn't give notices
?????
craggy barn
"we are going to do something about addons drastically"
lime lake
this is literally a notice
craggy barn
literally
runic bough
Eh
vivid vine
go take a nap my man
craggy barn
"heres some stuff we are proposing to change"
runic bough
Welp time to clock out
runic bough
Time to drive home
dense bolt
guys btw have u tried the pet battle tech to save AR after first boss in TOP
craggy barn
lol
dense bolt
goated
wintry solar
My grandma called me nice and great
wintry solar
Yall better hide yalls grandma
vivid vine
what tech?
wintry solar
I'm coming to town
vivid vine
you pet battle a party memeber?
craggy barn
ye
dense bolt
yep
vivid vine
fckn pokemon shit
dense bolt
i cant find the word for it
lime lake
wintry solar
That's never gonna happen in a pug
lime lake
holy fuck what a strat
wintry solar
Like
torpid fiber
New funniest strat holy shit
vivid vine
do it for all the platforms aswell
wintry solar
The fact we need this kind of tech is really telling of the state of outlaw.
vivid vine
kek
frail veldt
guys btw have u tried the pet battle tech to save AR after first boss in TOP
LOL whoa whoa wait what
dense bolt
frail veldt
YUGE tech
wintry solar
Mods Rem is posting a virus again
dense bolt
ye surely
dense bolt
just a lil small tech
main tree
so if im doing primarily m+, is there a different prio list for dinars over what's in the pins?
late swallow
<@533772072845836302> press control alt shift w in discord
On my phone 
dense bolt
sim but also seaforium is pretty good
main tree
sim but also seaforium is pretty good
i was gonna say i can sim... just being lazy lmao
dense bolt
u good seafroium is pretty good but also the bee trink i think
torpid fiber
Can you do the pet battle tech on other forced cutscenes btw or is it just top
torpid fiber
I assume the party member needs to accept the battle as well
dense bolt
i think so never done pet battle in my life til now so
torpid fiber
this is the funniest shit
torpid fiber
or do u mean like the intro to the pet battle
torpid fiber
wait who was using a spec that wanted it in the mdi
main tree
u good seafroium is pretty good but also the bee trink i think
im just recently coming back and forgot i had to be raidbots premium to sim all dungeons. rip
torpid fiber
Ah damn if it's good for other specs it'll get fixed
dense bolt
i mean it was on live television
in a blizzard tourney
its allready out there
but still funny
but also its so minor
proven ocean
More cooked than kfc fried shrimps 
teal garnet
the first KS on mythic gally so sus
vapid sundial
More cooked than kfc fried shrimps <:skulllmao:1349146050493022270>
Guy lived long enough to see himself become the villain
slate plaza
do you guys just cleave off boss on stix
ripe epoch
fuck no
balmy parcel
must say the 6% buff to combat stamina is toom much for outlaw defenitly gonna get nerfed now
slate plaza
im top 3 on bombshell and scrapmaster damage cleaving off stix
torpid fiber
must say the 6% buff to combat stamina is toom much for outlaw defenitly gonna g...
only in pvp though
copper radish
3k feels so good. especially when u get an LFG that runs a few back to back to back
balmy parcel
i was being sarcastic its a usless talent in pvp that no one takes and still wont take survivability isnt what outlaw needs in pvp its damage
slate plaza
seforium would go so hard on stix
copper radish
pretty decent overall for a 13+ cinder as KIR. bested the boomy XD
lol the mount didnt unlock RIP
vague cape
rip
past sphinx
No outlaw buffs rip
analog fog
u think so ?
slate plaza
is it just me or does outlaw feel inconsistent as shit on stix
brave lagoon
stix is one of those boss where if you get targeted by the rolling ball mechanic at the wrong time you'll get slapped with a 2 min cd ADR and it pretty much bricks the whole fight for outlaw
might as well spend the rest of the fight auto attacking cuz that's all you'll do
slate plaza
like my dps variance pull to pull is like 500k
glass mortar
half ur dps on that fight is padding, if ur team doesnt ley hyenas get into melee ur damage is going so so different
ive had pulls where hyenas only get in one or two times cause ranged r just slaughtering them after they get rolled on
2 farmed 
slate plaza
that cvould be it too
brave lagoon
you could always check boss damage only on your logs and see if it varies between pulls
slate plaza
pulls are different lengths
ould grab similar percent onew
boss damage bounces between 1.7 and 2.2 mil
could be early wipes with lust, me getting more rolls, overdrive
that affects it
round dragon
give me this comp everyday
gaunt phoenix
not should
round dragon
I feel like a nerf is coming. They probably wanted to wait a bit since they F'ed up with all those bugs
round dragon
I hope they see it that way
pale snow
What's wrong with Killing Spree, if I may ask?
slate plaza
What's wrong with Killing Spree, if I may ask?
you get no i frames
and no contorl over where you go
torpid fiber
Motion sickness + kills u
slate plaza
it will kill you very easily
torpid fiber
zeross ur about to say "it doesn't kill you if you're good" but not everyone can be a hypergamer like u
pale snow
Aaaaah. I felt like I took damage, though. Albeit, just delayed
slate plaza
Aaaaah. I felt like I took damage, though. Albeit, just delayed
it is like that
slate plaza
but if you send it and it puts you into liek cauldron frontal you die
or on wax boss in dfc you die
plenty of spots where you just die
proven ocean
U know what else
slate plaza
and the last teleport doesnt do that you taek regular damamge
pale snow
I thought Killing Spree always tries to return you to where the spell was initiated?
gaunt phoenix
it does and that's a problem
proven ocean
Killingspree feels better than any spec in the game
pale snow
At least it was like that, during the earlier re-renditions(sp?), iirc. It's been some time
proven ocean
I highly recommend u try it
slate plaza
I thought Killing Spree always tries to return you to where the spell was initia...
youj dont have control during the animation is the problem
you cant send it if any mechanic is happening in the next 5-7 seconds
unless u want to gamble your life
like a true outlaw
proven ocean
Just make sure u do a death counter for how many times u died with killingspree and the chance of you dying per cast
gaunt phoenix
not that long
proven ocean
pale snow
So much like the Vanish during a 1v1 on a boss kind of thing? I think I understand. It is a bit tedious
(I was doing 4 mask run on Aleria when vanish ruined it)
slate plaza
do a key wtih killingspree and youll see lol
round dragon
I honestly love KS. The only times I die are when I lose track of what's happening. It kinda forces you to learn when the mechanics that'll get you killed will happen and work around them.
slate plaza
the big things with aoe packs is it putting you in a circle or you sending it and a circle comes out and you barely have time to move
pale snow
do a key wtih killingspree and youll see lol
I try not to use it during second boss in Darkcleft(sp?)
proven ocean
Guys
slate plaza
third you can only really use when theres no statues in your area
torpid fiber
I honestly love having health. The only times I die are when I lose track of what's happening. It kinda forces you to learn when the mechanics that'll get you killed will happen and work around them.
pale snow
third, yeah the alcoholic wax-thrower boss ty
slate plaza
zeross think he dictator
proven ocean
Killing spree is like reverse cheat death
Each time u cast it it has a chance to save you from dying
Except
Killingspree has a chance to kill you
Cool talent
So if u pick cheat death
slate plaza
proven ocean
Ur back to square one
copper radish
i like killing spree just let it rip whenever no matter what
pale snow
copper radish
u can kinda move during KS
pale snow
noted
round dragon
I've been using KS when the charge dudes in meadery are about to hit the wall. There's some mitigation benefits here and there.
high parrot
just double checking does pacemaker sim low or is it fine? my sim always says to take minecart trink
copper radish
I've been using KS when the charge dudes in meadery are about to hit the wall. T...
i got targeted by one of those aoe things as i let it rip and killed a tank yesterday lol
high parrot
gotcha
gaunt phoenix
The People perhaps think the trinket is better than it is really is but it's fine
grim spear
copper radish
having fun dodging ninja pulls running twilight enchant too
tight egret
No outlaw buffs :/
round dragon
i got targeted by one of those aoe things as i let it rip and killed a tank yest...
I've bricked a workshop because I did it when the charges went out on boss #2 lol. Gonna get caught a few times before you learn the timing lol.
vapid sundial
The spec is in a good spot rn besides killing spree existing
tight egret
why would they buff outlaw
Because I'm selfish
vapid sundial
thats how you get nerfed again
pale snow
Also, I cannot tell if Gushing Wounds is actually working. I put the enchant on, after reading the pin. I then still noticed the Echoing Void(sp?) buff still on me =/
vapid sundial
and wind up in a 9.2
pale snow
I'll be on soon to check again. I'm sure it was. I was likely just too lazy to check. But the Echoing Void buff still on my character was a bit concerning.
gaunt phoenix
ya
proven ocean
@vivid vessel
Wtf
Solo is the solo in silo
Are u also the solo in sololeveling
???
@gaunt phoenix
!
late swallow
In silo season 2 theres a guy called solo
hybrid crown
late swallow
She’s got me on all fours begging like a dog for a sniff
gaunt phoenix
you like girls?
glass mortar
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
proven ocean
gaunt phoenix
pale snow
Also, I was lazy. It's there
just bothers me. And I can't right-click it off, either
gaunt phoenix
it's there forever
pale snow
I'll assume this is a chat purge?
proven ocean
I'll assume this is a chat purge?
late swallow
https://tenor.com/view/silo-rebecca-ferguson-gif-7397530869232144329
she's got me down fucking bad bro holy
having to wake up every day knowing I'll never be married to rebecca ferguson
why even live????
pale snow
Not with that attitude. Just go to Sweden
rich moon
after all, which corruption should we be using?
cinder oxide
mugzee laser so tasty
rich moon
Or should we wait for next week when the real ones come out?
late swallow
after all, which corruption should we be using?
solo put a good guide in the pins
basically t dev vs. gushing wound
vapid sundial
https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-22968526
ive seen a few clips like this and
i just wonder what these peoplare thining
like hm yes im gonna just let my cat slowly bite at my monitor
i have so much time to stop it, but i will record instead
visual moat
at how many stack should i use magnet?
hasty fable
30 (max) unless fight about to end, then use whatever before target dies
visual moat
it is good for cleave? like if there are the boss and 3 adds (mythic gallywix) its ok to send it at whatever stacks it's at?
cinder relic
Doesnt cleave afaik
OPh it says nearby
I mean yeah U can also use it to cleave if u want
visual moat
kk thanks
runic bough
just started the visions
the timegated part must be the upgrading
cant upgrade anymore
was able to do 2 extra sections with only the first tree
this is gonna be an hour
until we get 8 black bloods
glass mortar
if u full clear u get like 4 per vision
runic bough
i see
but we cant upgrade anymore
u can full clear with no upgrades?
how do u run so fast
wintry solar
are all trinkets being mid a thing for every class?
frank finch
no
rotund zodiac
Vision 5 mask is so ass bruh
rotund zodiac
and he casts too often draining my sanity
glass mortar
very annoying
craggy barn
lol
prisma sapphire
i might just start running fatebound only in ws
i'm so tired of dealing with KS on 2nd boss
and 3rd but 2nd is so bad
the really long boss fight at 18 and 17 makes it get nuts
craggy barn
how many masks
craggy barn
GL
runic bough
im just getting the enchant and going back to keys
trim sentinel
why is rookery so hard
keen belfry
we must bring together all outlaws @past falcon
runic bough
why is rookery so hard
why is killingspree part of trickster
^
Fix'd
prisma sapphire
what's challenging about rook
i get too much anxiety going into workshop
that's my problem dungeon
i'm gonna just run fatebound in WS from now on
10% dps loss to be much safer on 2nd boss seems worth it
runic bough
all done guys
runic bough
sonic gust
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
cinder relic
no
vapid sundial
if i have 684 myth axe, better if i'll craft sword 681?
Theres no difference between MH for outlaw like that besides item level.
Sword / axe / first, doesnt matter
Main thing it affects is what stone thing you use iirc
sullen walrus
Theres no difference between MH for outlaw like that besides item level.
Off hand for aoe - event weapon and single target capo
But , i try to find some skill rotation for outlaw rogue and it's hard to find fr
topaz spoke
!ambush
ornate heathBOT
It is possible to use a macro to cast Ambush during Stealth/Audacity and Sinister Strike otherwise, instead of using the stealth bar:
/cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, bonusbar:1] Ambush ; Sinister Strike
*This is most useful to swap between HO and KIR builds without changing keybinds.
Stance swap delay is, for now, not an issue since we don't want to cast vanish into ambush anymore.
untold pine
is nightfall curseblades cudgel actually good for outlaw in keys?
untold pine
ok so its definetly worth picking up
next wedge
yeah but make sure you swap to capo for ST
untold pine
so itll tank my dmg on bosses in keys?
next wedge
it wont be optimal thats for sure
i dont know the %s off rip but zac will know probably
azure vortex
You swap it on bosses
tired marlin
Tbh.. is killing spree really that bad..? I kinda like it 👀
hidden bay
Yes it is
tired marlin
Gives a nice lil break
next wedge
go play destro for a break
hidden bay
Break from enjoying the spec
hidden bay
I did a rookery yesterday where my ks killed ppl 3 times and i died myself once to it
They wanted me to play rogue for it but after they wanted me to play enha just like i said i should
tired marlin
Despite the mega iLvl hit?
next wedge
yes
tired marlin
😱
tulip quarry
Do someone still have the old macro we used for spaming SnD to reset CDs ?
gaunt phoenix
/cancelaura snd /cast snd
tulip quarry
It no longer works :/
runic bough
killingspree got hit by the axe
thanks trololololspree
couldnt have timed it better
frail veldt
It no longer works :/
works for me
the macro does at least
you can no longer spam snd that was removed a whiiiile back
snd still interacts with supercharger the same way as ER though where it get the extra cp but doesnt consume it
lost dagger
Everyone using that cudgel for aoe and swapping for bosses?
gaunt phoenix
Yes
lost dagger
Ty
It’s just from the event in hallowfall yeah?
Buy it with the currency from that?
gaunt phoenix
weekly quest in pinned msg
lost dagger
Ty
Let’s say you just load up an alt rogue and you cleared heroic raid, got spare keys with speed on it and thug hotline… rest of your gear is trash. What you spending dinar on? I’ll be able to get +12 trinkets
crimson thicket
if a boss is 2+ targets, is staying on cudgel safe bet? since we vanish so often or just dont use cudgel on any boss
next wedge
like mama?
gaunt phoenix
cudgel reset doesn't work on bosses
rotund zodiac
crimson thicket
dslice makin' me look big https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k48gfPXZCgANSbJttmE7b5
lost dagger
Have heroic spare keys and thug trinket, no mythic raiding on this guy.
Myth pacemaker probly best dinar pick?
crimson thicket
probably
i use myth keys and myth pacemaker
im afraid to use thugs hotline as i hear it glitches out a lot and sometimes thugs do fuck all
but i do want a magnet
stiff glade
Hotline makes cudgel bug out and not reset on vanish properly, so don't do that probably
lost dagger
Well that doesn’t sound good
stiff glade
Well, it doesn't actually make the weapon bug, but it keeps you in som kind of combat state
So it doesn't reset
crimson thicket
Yeah thug Hotline might be simbait from what I've read. And it doesn't work with cudgel
I think keys and magnet are true bis unless your tank can play around eye of kezan
But outside those two pacemaker is very good
cinder relic
Thug shaker trinket is OP
exotic agate
would be nice to be able to use something else than keys and hotline but those are the only trinkets I have on myth track atm
blissful idol
anyone has a good focus kick macro?
hollow temple
anyone has a good focus kick macro?
very easy to just write one
#showtooltip
/cast [@focus]Kick```and one to mouseover add a target to your focus?
runic bough
3 left
ryu is almost on 14's
and im about ready to learn sin or sub
ks killed me a bunch tonight
maybe after i do all 13's
ill start over from 12's to learn sub or sin
glacial drum
If u wanna have inv just go assa... sadge but true
hollow temple
and one to mouseover add a target to your focus?
/focus [@mouseover,harm,nodead] [harm]
these and any other macro ever are all available to be found through google searches btw
sometimes there's more seasonal focused/nuanced stuff we'll have linked here somewhere
but the barebones wow macros are all over forums n stuff
azure vortex
I use chatgpt to write macros
sonic gust
dslice makin' me look big https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k48gfPXZCgANSbJ...
you have every buff on
civic void
and one to mouseover add a target to your focus?
/focus [exists][]
/run if not GetRaidTargetIndex("focus") then SetRaidTarget("focus",5) end
Can tweak it so you only focus enemies or to not overwrite marks if you want
glacial drum
Then change back to outlaw
Ye when pull swap to outlaw seshh
lyric steeple
Is duskthread embelishment better than elemental focus?
astral wind
Sin aoe needs practice
Garrote rup rup garrote garrote rup muti FoK crimson brrrr
frank finch
play the new build and u can drop garrote from aoe
azure vortex
If u wanna have inv just go assa... sadge but true
I see outlaw is bigger statistically on mythicstats, arent people aware?
agile orchid
what is with priests PI-ing outlaw rogues 
cloud thunder
dim widget
What article if I may ask
agile orchid
ofc when I play assa I never get PI
wintry solar
Foreverguys retrospective of Outlaw
theyre drop feeding the articles so its taking a lot longer than it probably should
azure vortex
I heard him dont play outlaw
wintry solar
well hes the guide writer for outlaw on wowhead
leaden folio
what is with priests PI-ing outlaw rogues <:LOLW:1118257747696304138>
priests PI the most dmg dealer, and other player are bad
lmao
agile orchid
theyre drop feeding the articles so its taking a lot longer than it probably sho...
they've learned from blizzard to timegate the articles
bright pulsar
what is with priests PI-ing outlaw rogues <:LOLW:1118257747696304138>
Every 12 I do with pugs and guildies I hear my pi noise go off if a priest is there. Have had guildies get mad not knowing why they giving it to me when they are a unholy DK.
dim widget
theyre drop feeding the articles so its taking a lot longer than it probably sho...
Who is doing them? Is it like a rogue disc only thin (like whisp for sin, fuu sub, guy law or whatever) or is it like a wow head/blizz collab thing for all specs/classes?
Where do I find them?
civic void
what is with priests PI-ing outlaw rogues <:LOLW:1118257747696304138>
I'm sure they have some kind of wa that flashes when someone press their cds and since we press AR so much they can not resist the shiny button
wintry solar
just wowhead
dim widget
Ah k, ty
limpid stream
how do u guys manage to make geargrinder trinket to actually land on last boss of rookery
it doesnt touch him xd
rotund zodiac
outlaw pretty good at it though
So much stealth and hook skips, ez
random stirrup
there are a lot of stealth seeing mobs with the masks though
rotund zodiac
But the mage district is aids
random stirrup
tumours ripping you out of stealth
stiff hawk
outlaw pretty good at it though
Ye Outlaw is really good at Visions
Ultra Fast
Not CD Dependant
Many restealths
What Gear did you use
haughty moat
kinda difficult to do
can we see that run anywhere? im giganoob in that vision crap
red zinc
All these classes gettin their underpowered hero talents buffed while we have like a 30% gap on aoe
red zinc
If they buffed fatebound enough for it to be relevant on aoe
vivid vessel
i prefer dying from ks
vivid vessel
whats the difference between naruto and naruto shippuden
red zinc
Fatebound has like no aoe tuning nobs outside of the shitty dispatch cleave right
agile orchid
whats the difference between naruto and naruto shippuden
shippuden is where the series went to shit
agile orchid
shippuden is basically time skip
red zinc
Watch one piece zac
wintry solar
shippuden is basically time skip
Imagine knowing that offhand
red zinc
only 1100 episodes
red zinc
I just read it
vivid vessel
and now that there is the real tv show
red zinc
and i hate japanese stuff normally
vivid vessel
i prefer it
agile orchid
Imagine knowing that offhand
I watched naruto when I was in high school 
red zinc
Reading was pretty fun
vivid vessel
the actual tv show was very good for me
at least its condensed instead of ahving
60000 episodes
of nothingness
wintry solar
I never watched pokemon. I kinda regret it.
red zinc
Because they aint making 10+ seasons
Its netflix that shit getting cancelled 3 seasons in
vivid vessel
naah
red zinc
Yee
quasi notch
Do you guys run talent that give more mainGauche procs when playing hoc?
red zinc
vivid vessel
Do you guys run talent that give more mainGauche procs when playing hoc?
no lmao
brisk meadow
more stat = more good
vivid vessel
vs a normal stat trinket
its a trinket that gives MORE stats
than other trinkets
it doesnt matter if the stat is less good
its more
thats why
we sim
my guy
instead of feelycrafting useless random trinkets
that have 0 value anwyay
red zinc
instead of feelycrafting useless random trinkets
Ok but if we didnt feelycraft we wouldnt have found noggenfogger
red zinc
or cudgel
vivid vessel
100000000 haste
red zinc
a trillion haste would make ks instant
vivid vessel
timmy
red zinc
banger
leaden folio
zac you are the cause that people agree about blizzard statement on addons/weak aura
vivid vessel
ye i saw
agile orchid
what did zac do this time
leaden folio
lmao you do ?
leaden folio
first comment is :
@Timewardn
il y a 7 heures
okay... so I was just sitting annoyed about them banning combat addons. and staring at my rice stirring it and I started hearing @11:10 and I was like... omg the game sounds like a frickin bop-it.... maybe they have a point xD
vivid vessel
tbf thats just bigwigs
default bigwigs has too many sounds its trash idk
im scared of removing them tho
cuase i notice i got used to some of them
but idk which one
but like when i hear a sound sometimes i know whats happening
i couldnt tell you which sounds im using tho
quasi notch
Hoc was 0.2 percent better than signet right?
agile orchid
it's also their fault every pack has so many mechanics
leaden folio
didn't see if solo reply
tough flume
I mean if you have 40 buffs its jard to keep track of them while kicking the right casts while not dying to ground poop
vivid vessel
I mean if you have 40 buffs its jard to keep track of them while kicking the rig...
we only have 40 buffs to track if you have a bad ui tbf
its not that bad
the only buffs you are actually tracking are like rtb barely
you just kinda wanna be aware of number of bfufs
subterfuge
and ye
thats actually kinda it
opportunity
procs
well adr to not vanish without adr
but thats barely trackign anything
patent mirage
base ui is lame for outlaw
lime lake
right
vivid vessel
bf is litteraly useless
coup is fluff minmaxes
rtb buffs its more to be aware of what you have and how many but its not like you were actively tracking them all at all time
you dont think about these
like honestly outlaw is one of the spec that track the least amount of buffs lol
patent mirage
wat
vivid vessel
yes
patent mirage
right
vivid vessel
i think current outlaw is very well designed that way
where most buffs arent actually things you need to track
at all
or you look at it once a year
agile orchid
do you guys remember when bte was a debuff on the enemy
patent mirage
would you do it without that weak aura?
vivid vessel
like we dont maintain bte/gs/bf/snd etc anymore
vivid vessel
would you do it without that weak aura?
wdym
patent mirage
would you remove your wa and play?
vivid vessel
I mean i have said it for a long time, my weak auras are very basic
its litteraly cooldown manager
but that works
vivid vessel
would you remove your wa and play?
no but thats cause default ui is mega trash
i could do it if cooldown manager was a little bit better yes
patent mirage
which is my point
vivid vessel
no cause there is litteralyt 0 spec you can play with bl.izzard ui lol
patent mirage
never mind
vivid vessel
blizzard ui is so dogshit you cant see anything
patent mirage
we are going in circles again
lime lake
bm hunter you could definitely play with just the personal resource display
vivid vessel
the only buffs i need tracked to play outlaw correctly is fth stacks, a lil adr icon, a subterfuge bar, and rtb buffs separated from other buffs
haughty wigeon
Cause for us it isn’t
vivid vessel
thats litteraly it
haughty wigeon
Reality is
patent mirage
they should hire addon authors to do it for them
haughty wigeon
The majority of player isn’t like us
vivid vessel
Reality is
bro
what im saying is
outlaw doesnt even have
many buffs to track lol
other specs have more
haughty wigeon
It doesn’t ya
vivid vessel
even assa xd
patent mirage
zac falls in a trap , the base ui is lame for the new player , the game is bad at communicating info for any new person
haughty wigeon
But that’s not the issue here
haughty wigeon
And sadly people will track bleeds and debuffs
Even tho they don’t have too
Like how people track judgement debuffs for paladin
Even tho they don’t have to
wicked obsidian
outlaw is a good and fun spec imho and good like it is with trickster, pain points for me are only: rng energy, aoe cap, KS and vanish when solo...
vivid vessel
so for assa you need to be aware of rupt/garotte/spatter and then the actual duration of dm/kb/shiv very accurately
haughty wigeon
U gotta think like a shitter Zac
vivid vessel
thats a lot of actual buffs
haughty wigeon
Then stuff starts making sense
hidden bay
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
patent mirage
the rogue class is off putting because you have to monitor more things compared to other classes
haughty wigeon
I always thought the rtb rules were silly
vivid vessel
ok but the rtb rules have been mega dumbed down since df tho
vivid vessel
basicalyl all of df was "roll on cd with loaded dice"
now its roll on cd till 5 buffs
idk
haughty wigeon
The fact there is rtb rules at all
vivid vessel
you cant complain about this
haughty wigeon
Is what blizzard doesn’t like
vivid vessel
bro wdym
haughty wigeon
I’m not complaining
haughty wigeon
Like I said idc about rtb rules
patent mirage
at some point in the future we will drop the set which is lame
vivid vessel
rtb rules
civic void
Is what blizzard doesn’t like
That can't be true or they would just not put cto/cdr on rtb tho
haughty wigeon
It’s pointless
vivid vessel
at some point in the future we will drop the set which is lame
and we will go back to roll with loaded dice
haughty wigeon
It’s like super simple now
vivid vessel
its not that different
haughty wigeon
I press on cd and go brr with supercharger
Hence why I’m on the forums telling people that rtb doesn’t matter now and they just suck dick
tough flume
we only have 40 buffs to track if you have a bad ui tbf
Yes, but would you be able to keep track of everything (easily) without any WAs?
I think i would look up to my buffs more than i would like
patent mirage
find addon author person , hire them , easy game easy life
haughty wigeon
Define
vivid vessel
Yes, but would you be able to keep track of everything (easily) without any WAs?...
no??
but cooldown manager
is here for that
haughty wigeon
Buffs that’s worth tracking
haughty wigeon
And shit starts getting fucky
vivid vessel
this is what outlaw needs rn
haughty wigeon
Anything sadly
With a duration
The average shitter feels the need to track
I had a person asking for a Expurg tracker for ret
And that shit has 100% uptime if you play rotationally correct
So ya
tough flume
Yeah i just hope they are not too offensive against all this 3rd party stuff. If they cant make their own tools maybe tune down mechanics a bit
haughty wigeon
Think in terms of a casual player that has no eyes
tough flume
Both dungeon and class wise
haughty wigeon
That’s the shit Jon is catering too
Whether or not that’s a good thing is up for interpretation
civic void
Yes but the base ui for the spec from blizzard should be able to make the average shitter feel like they are given all the info
hidden bay
this is what outlaw needs rn
and ub tracker
vivid vessel
and ub tracker
realistically no
you dont need that
its like 2% minmax stuffs
we are way too deep into minmaxes there
hidden bay
it feels a lot more
vivid vessel
maybe its slightyly more for 1 fth
haughty wigeon
Shitters feel the need to min max
vivid vessel
not much tho
haughty wigeon
When in reality they don’t have a idea how to rotationally play the spec
vivid vessel
if you play any build that isnt 1 fth
haughty wigeon
And lose like 169151715 % dps while fishing for .5%
hidden bay
yes and non shitters minamx and do more dps than those who dont
civic void
Look at buff bar
The one that keeps moving with 50 irrelevant buffs ?
My point is that if they had like zac is saying a subterfurge bar (as in it tells you its tracking subt) the average person would instantly think it's relevant and not question it
hidden bay
i perma look at it
hidden bay
esp while at 3 stacks
patent mirage
" dont do that"
vivid vessel
you dont need ti to play outlaw
hidden bay
before entering vanish
patent mirage
" does it himself"
vivid vessel
i mena thats fine
haughty wigeon
yes and non shitters minamx and do more dps than those who dont
Cool
I’m not a shitter
haughty wigeon
But I’m not gonna do degen shit for a sub 1% gain
vivid vessel
i dont need these stuffs
if blizzard told me tomorrow i cannot play with weak auras
as long as i have what i said above
i would be fine
haughty wigeon
The one that keeps moving with 50 irrelevant buffs ?
My point is that if they h...
Idk man
haughty wigeon
Blizzard opened the flood gates for alot of stuff this month
patent mirage
yep
haughty wigeon
Idk why ion mentioned outlaw specificly
patent mirage
they need to allow for more options with their stock ui
vivid vessel
cause this is all outlaw actually need and it really aint much
and bte
its almost there
red zinc
Yeah but idk
haughty wigeon
Idk why they want to remove addons when they’re ingame shit is still undercooked
vivid vessel
coodlown manager
its not there cause they suck
but its almost there
you put a dev on it for 5 more minute
red zinc
i really dont get what “specific buffs and debuffs” refers to
vivid vessel
and you can do that
civic void
I mean anyway I would rather keep what we currently have, I prefer having addons and customisations the way it is now without going the ff14 way and installing plugins or shit
patent mirage
i really dont get what “specific buffs and debuffs” refers to
boss stuff i suppose
haughty wigeon
They legit just need more work
haughty wigeon
But they don’t want to listen to feedback to make it work
vivid vessel
i mean ideally they should just add their stuffs and continue supporting addons
haughty wigeon
And granted
haughty wigeon
It’s not like there’s a lot of forum feedback that’s good about rotation helper