Thanks, but i'm looking for an old macro 🙂
#outlaw
tulip quarry
white marten
Zac the outlaw legend
mighty pivot
how much of that was shadow quake
frail veldt
https://www.twitch.tv/zac__________________/clip/TalentedShyAardvarkFunRun-EqAkx...
the fuck how
I wonder if its just all cuz of the cudgel
that gives you that SLIGHT bit of uncapped damage boost
and also you had pretty much everything going
latent oak
https://www.twitch.tv/zac__________________/clip/TalentedShyAardvarkFunRun-EqAkx...
was it logged
haughty wigeon
and also you had pretty much everything going
basically ua
all stars aligned and crudge being crudge
minor lynx
is it bad to drop below 20% haste on kir
ornate heathBOT
Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.
*But Haste has a **requirement ** because 
Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.
The 
KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from 
Alacrity.
The 
HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of 
Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.
You need to use 
Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.
vague cape
BOYS WE'RE LIT
craggy barn
gz
mighty pivot
imagine if that pull had TD instead of gushing wound though
craggy barn
zac not a td enjoyer huh
vague cape
Zac aint true outlaw @vivid vessel imagine not using the gamba corruption
jolly geyser
we def ninja pulled stuff in priory with td today
craggy barn
just stop doing that
jolly geyser
got abit hairy
jolly geyser
minor lynx
ty
craggy barn
man i wish raidbots showed me my stat %s when top gearing
proven ocean
valid kindle
how does twilight dev work on multi target? thought it'd do full damage to all targets up to a cap but seems that it's not quite that potent on sims
mighty pivot
how does twilight dev work on multi target? thought it'd do full damage to all t...
iirc it's full damage on the first target and then *0.65 on each subsequent target (repeating)
vague cape
We put the weapon swap on every button
YO
isnt there a cd for wep switch
i think there might be
vague cape
what if we
press wep swap
at the end of vanish
then press it again at the start
or double press it start of vanish
red zinc
no
glass mortar
What are u even saying
red zinc
dawg ur being fed ideas by ryu
glass mortar
The weapon swap has nothing to do with how often it procs
glass mortar
And weapon swapping incurs a gcd
runic bough
glass mortar
Idk how u haven't noticed that
runic bough
I'm just saying if it didn't have negatives
You could just swap every bind
Boom proc
glass mortar
Then it wouldn't do anything
runic bough
glass mortar
Did u not read the first thing I said?
vague cape
The weapon swap has nothing to do with how often it procs
im saying we use it for the proc then immediately switch to big offhand til next proc opportunity
runic bough
It was definitely an outlaw proc weapon, there is no other reason any other class would take a weapon that only proc once.
vague cape
it doesnt use a gcd does it
glass mortar
Yes it does
glass mortar
A full gcd not s 0.8s one
vague cape
glass mortar
It was definitely an outlaw proc weapon, there is no other reason any other clas...
I mean its catchup gear man
vivid vessel
I wonder if its just all cuz of the cudgel
ye it prolly is
glass mortar
It's literally a free proc
It's not budgeted from the weapon
It's supposed to be for alts not 680 mythic geared characters
glass mortar
Per combat? Blizzard does I guess
runic bough
So funny
vague cape
open world
mighty pivot
it's ok proc for open world content
mighty pivot
in visions too it felt like, even if you spam BTE they sometimes still reset
latent belfry
is rimworld a good game?
old gull
Buffing outlaw by giving us proc items 
sullen wyvern
is there a Tricks WA reminder by any chance?
azure vortex
Should i reroll sin for sprocket progress
or go fatebound way
I will probably just craft an additional necklace, have circlet + hero track sin rings and myth track daggers
sullen wyvern
or play fatebound
azure vortex
I was bored from sin, last 2 weeks that I played outlaw was one of the most fun I had with the game but I got afraid by some of the comments
glass mortar
Fatebound works
azure vortex
I'll try fatebound then
glass mortar
Thankfully it's a st fight so fatebounds performance is fine
frail veldt
I accidentally went fatebound for oab and I forgot how annoying the vanish conditions were for that build
tbh I way more prefer tricksters flow
glass mortar
yea
hard agree there
plus its great knowing literally anytime an add is alive within 10 yards of the boss ur losing like 7% of ur ST dps
as ur hero talents just turn off/split
runic bough
Guys Zac just timed 19 priory
glass mortar
vivid vessel
i have resil 19
runic bough
vivid vessel
i understand people
taht say
outlaw is too hard now
this never happened to me ever
but
idk
i was so tired for like 2/3 keys
this spec is litteraly impossible to play
glass mortar
while tired? ya
vivid vessel
i kept missing gcds everywhere
way too hard
legit losing 2 mil overall
from being a noob
glass mortar
ur playing gusher ?
runic bough
Yeah need to focus
glass mortar
TD is just too int in high keys i assume
glass mortar
one bad proc
pulling an extra pack
could brick a key
no way its ever worth
not in serious keys
glass mortar
that boss is just so fucking dumpsterfire
theres no way to kspree on cd
u just cant do it
runic bough
After ks removal we are so back
glass mortar
i mean if thye fixed ks this outlaw would be
do u think better then s3 df zac?
i feel like the tuning is there
vivid vessel
its different lets say
vivid vessel
in s3 we had infinite prio and st
vivid vessel
rn we have infinite aoe
vivid vessel
boss dmg is rough sometimes but i think its mostly cause of ks on some bosses
and being so much uptime reliant rn
glass mortar
uptime reliant + ks on cd reliant
anytime either of those things get interefered
it very quickly gets tragic
unless u get turbo rng to bail u out
its just out of ur hands
kinda stinky but thats the season design idk
everyones got some silly rng in their tier rn
we just have silly rng in general. they really need to pull back on some of our sources of rng
its like every source of rng we have directly impacts gameplay to a degree that the spec feels so awful to play if u get a bad luck streak
silly rng to cp gen, silly rng to energy gen, silly rng to RtB (kir handles this better then HO)
i need to fix my WA so i can practice 1 fth kir
so tired of HO as i do higher key pugs
tank pulls 15 mobs in an important lust pull and i rolled 6 1 buffs in a row
vivid vessel
@glass mortar
like
look details
im under tank for 3 min straight
with 0 energy nothing
glass mortar
🙂
late swallow
Any gooners in chat rn?
glass mortar
i love the passive aggresive mouseover the dps
vivid vessel
xd
glass mortar
only 5 SS in a row those are baby numbers tbh
vivid vessel
light kernel
@vivid vessel why is your prekey ritual different every key
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> why is your prekey ritual different every key
what its not
i just farm sc
then i ks
then i afk till key start
glass mortar
xd
check ur FF procs during that 30s of under 100
thats pretty wild
why is 40% of our energy budget just rng?
i get that we attack fast enough it should be normalized
but why
royal ermine
that chart sums up my energy exp every night suffering in raid
it needs to go back to 70% chance
glass mortar
i mean i told u about the prio 13 i did where i fucking ascended on the first boss
did 5.3m dps
and then i did 1.3m on second
glass mortar
group seriously must have thought iwas hardtrolling
vivid vessel
guy will tell me
energy isnt an issue rn
you play outlaw for more than 1 key you realize but
royal ermine
but the robot says 
onyx spear
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
vivid vessel
but the robot says <:clueless:987400240447504444>
robot can suck my asshole bro
glass mortar
i mean again everytime i complain like
i got 3 5 buffs on a boss fight this key yea
doesnt make up for rolling 1 buff 6 times on the most important pack of the dungeon
its just annoying variance
it averages out in the sims but gameplay can still suffer for averaging out
keen belfry
what do you guys think hit me here
glass mortar
wild lightning
vivid vessel
the circle is invisible
glass mortar
glass mortar
its not invisible u can see it at the start
vivid vessel
bro
keen belfry
killing me
glass mortar
but it just dissapears before he finishes the cast
and u move in
and then it goes off
keen belfry
but it just dissapears before he finishes the cast
it was never there
vivid vessel
the dungeon is legit too hard
to do damage in
i cannot
i lose too many gcds
its impossible
glass mortar
wdym look at the main circle centered on him
it dissapears after like 0.5s
u moved ur pp into it after it was gone
vivid vessel
glass mortar
but it wasnt actually gone
glass mortar
i mean no
game is xd
but yea u shouldnt have trusted
u did have 0.5s to notice it was there
!!
keen belfry
shut lichen
Pulled a sneaky on ya
leaden folio
@gaunt phoenix I have a question about sim, is it normal that infinity star is "that bad" on a ST 9minute ? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hpu2Wk6DnWQEvE1M4UzNC3
glass mortar
BASED
glass mortar
finally bosses r learning
why show aoe indiciators when u can
just wipe the group
vivid vessel
<@921608341048930304> I have a question about sim, is it normal that infinity st...
i dont understnad the question
what is infinity star
twilling dev or what
shut lichen
Probably the corruption
glass mortar
infinite stars is the one that stacks up to 10 times so it should scale with much longer sims abit better then the others
glass mortar
i think all corruptions r weak enough it just doesnt matter tho
leaden folio
i dont understnad the question
i sim every corruption , infinity should stack on a long fight and be better , but look like sim not that good
vivid vessel
idk what to look for weran, this is the 1 min lnght that was fucked
compared to the other one
from boss before
1min aswell
i gain half the fatal floursih but like
wtf am i supposed to be lookingf ofr
keen belfry
@vivid vessel when u have to run of melee on last boss during last 2 dmg amps to break a rock 😄
keen belfry
i give it like, 2 seconds
keen belfry
the hit box has been rlly bad
vivid vessel
idk
tyoo many circles
i lose uptime
first pack
i do between
16 mil dps
and like
8
keen belfry
first and 2nd boss r so bad
keen belfry
<5 cp KS all the time
daring oxide
https://www.twitch.tv/zac__________________/clip/TalentedShyAardvarkFunRun-EqAkx...
That’s insane wtf and sustained it for a while too
Beautiful comp as well
vivid vessel
ye !
vivid vessel
oh ye its 6.84 but
i was way past cooked by then
like very bad play
i can do easy 7mil + with this comp
red zinc
i really cant tell if hoc has big influence on those bursts
Cause im not doing more than 13-14m on those packs
still like 6m overall but idk
vivid vessel
iom not doing these numbers without buffs
red zinc
its strange zac
cuz
my st is the same as yours most of the time
aoe i just grief something
doesnt make sense on outlaw though
daring oxide
Still buffs or not 20mil dps has gotta be a record tbh
red zinc
had this in df too
glass mortar
i mean an on use stat trinket will definitly help with the bursts
red zinc
feel like i dont stand correctly with bf
glass mortar
i doubt it matters if its priory or HoC
red zinc
Or something
vivid vessel
In AOE you have one more button, positioning, way more shit to dodge etc, uptime to maintain, stuffs to do
It's just harder
You can compare it to raid Tim
daring oxide
Maybe priory would help? It would be a vers buff
vivid vessel
In raid it's difficult to get r1 sometimes
Because it's simple
Raid is legit just patwerck
red zinc
I got r2 kir on first boss
daring oxide
Because it's simple
RTB can cuck you 🥲
red zinc
🦙
bright crane
Zac is in such a chipper mood now
vivid vessel
I would never lose you get me
bright crane
After all the fixes
vivid vessel
It's not the same
red zinc
Yeah i feel u
vivid vessel
M+ is hard
red zinc
Except that one time you lost to dogwoofwoof
vivid vessel
To do damage I mean
vivid vessel
Except that one time you lost to dogwoofwoof
Ok well
daring oxide
After all the fixes
It’s not over yet, KS still needs accessibility fix in general
red zinc
vivid vessel
vivid vessel
Zac is in such a chipper mood now
What is chipper
daring oxide
What is chipper
Like positive
red zinc
+20% dps
vivid vessel
Ye you should
frail veldt
yeah raid is easier to get higher ranks cuz raid as a whole is easier than m+
bright crane
Cheerful and lively
frail veldt
in terms of optimizing dps
vivid vessel
Like positive
I mean it helps when your spec isn't dogshit ye
bright crane
Is what chipper means
runic bough
Should I rename my rogue to Ryucooked
daring oxide
I mean it helps when your spec isn't dogshit ye
Aye indeed
vivid vessel
yeah raid is easier to get higher ranks cuz raid as a whole is easier than m+
No I meant the opposite mewo
daring oxide
I love outlaw so much atm too
frail veldt
I feel like BF positioning is huge
frail veldt
No I meant the opposite mewo
I feel the opposite haha
vivid vessel
Like it's harder for me to get a r1 raid
daring oxide
And once killing spree is resolved outlaw is gonna be at its peak
frail veldt
r1 idk sure
daring oxide
With its current tuning being balanced
karmic gust
apart from crafted gear every outlaw bis comes from the raid, how long is it gonna take me to get everthing
frail veldt
I mean to say not harder personally but harder as a whole
vivid vessel
Just cause it's hard to do damage in a key
runic bough
I feel like m+ we are fine but in raid my dmg sucks
vivid vessel
Riad it's too easy
frail veldt
like doing good damage in m+ requires more skill than in raid
cloud thunder
Like it's harder for me to get a r1 raid
just play HO and roll 5 everytime you rtb 
vivid vessel
So you are mostly competing with rng
frail veldt
yeah I think were saying the same thing differently
vivid vessel
Are we
daring oxide
Yes
daring oxide
You are at mercy of rng RTB high low rolls in raid
frail veldt
its easy which makes it harder to get high ranks is what youre saying
daring oxide
Like when we were playing fatebound
frail veldt
well to get the highest rank
frail veldt
but a given player who can get decent(not r1 but high) ranks in raid might no always perform well in m+
vivid vessel
Ye
craggy barn
hmmmm
frail veldt
but a player who can consistently get high meters in m+ can def do well in raid
craggy kelp
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
vivid vessel
Ye
frail veldt
you cant just "be better"
frail veldt
yeah
red zinc
Can we get bad luck protection on our rng
vivid vessel
Ain't no way man
red zinc
keen belfry
In AOE you have one more button, positioning, way more shit to dodge etc, uptime...
i wonder how often im simply not hitting max targets with BF
i bet higher than i would guess
vivid vessel
Maybe
vivid vessel
When I was talking about positioning
red zinc
It ramps the longer you dont proc
vivid vessel
I think I mostly mean
red zinc
and they want it gone again because it made the spec worse or something
keen belfry
i think im dece uptime, i dodge very greedily lol
frail veldt
i wonder how often im simply not hitting max targets with BF
you can get a wa to track target count
@vivid vessel do you have one in your package? I forget
frail veldt
I dont have one cuz I was worried it was taking up too much cpu
but im kinda curious now
mighty pivot
you can just throttle it
keen belfry
i know for a fact up until recently i wasnt thinking too much about where iw was standing
cloud thunder
its pretty giga to have it
random stirrup
if you're in melee of mobs surely you're hitting target cap with bf
craggy barn
Perfectly balanced
nvm i had the wrong ring on
craggy barn
i finally got rid of all my pvp items
fickle echo
Hey, quick quesiton. Whats up with people using HoC? Is it just "sims best" type of thing or is there another interaction or reason im missing?
random stirrup
im running through all the mobs to proc the nightfall weapon
cloud thunder
you can position yourself to hit 2 assistants + boss at some points
cloud thunder
Hey, quick quesiton. Whats up with people using HoC? Is it just "sims best" type...
good in aoe
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> do you have one in your package? I forget
its not really accurate
because well
yuou know
blizzard restricted addons
so theyu cant really accurately check range now
haughty wigeon
im so worried about that actually
how can people expect blizzard to pull this shit off
when they barely have rotation helper working
vivid vessel
so theyu cant really accurately check range now
i think for checking bf range rn its like +1/2 yard off
i dont remmabt
remmeber
i would need to check again
i wanna make a weak aura
that would be accurate
by checking damage events instead
so like
im doing damage to x individual mobsd
so i know they are at range
we are lucky outlaw generate so many events it would be fairly accurate
and fast
lime plank
There anything recommended to macro Ghostly Strike into?
proven ocean
@vivid vessel wanna hear a bottle banging the street
slate plaza
nothing beats heroic capo in oh apart mythic capo\
rich moon
nothing beats heroic capo in oh apart mythic capo\
yeah, capo is nutty
light kernel
when can we purchase 2nd dinar item?
hollow temple
mace still worth it ?
hollow temple
nothing beats heroic capo in oh apart mythic capo\
cudgel does
civic zephyr
cudgel does
depends
next wedge
raid RTB also matters when u get good rolls
civic zephyr
the situation
next wedge
is echoing void still bugged
smoky venture
How would I go about simming myself for mythic Stix?
naive leaf
is there no WA package page on this disc
vivid vessel
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
naive leaf
tyty 😄
naive leaf
what poison do we use? 😄
hollow temple
but it sims higher than capo for me and 2% average overall dmg
on big aoe keys i reach 4%
not sure about capo
thin edge
hey guys whats the best Corruption enchant for the helmet>
glass mortar
what poison do we use? 😄
instant
keen belfry
asap poison
violet ferry
We do, it's call Killing Spree recourse
proven ocean
Sin has Amp poison
?
runic bough
I'm just saying it's relatable
proven ocean
Ur extremely cooked
glass mortar
how is an aoe shadow themed finisher related to poisons
proven ocean
My phone almost exploded
runic bough
Umm
glass mortar
i dont even know if it can proc them
proven ocean
keen belfry
ryu is cooking rn
runic bough
Sub has find weakness right
glass mortar
yes
proven ocean
???????
runic bough
Outlaw should get something
glass mortar
always been a sub thing
proven ocean
glass mortar
i mean
glass mortar
i think i get what ur saying, outlaw should have some unique damage pattern
but the things ur saying
dont matter at all for these specs
proven ocean
Outlaw fazed what do u want them to rename it to what u like or what
keen belfry
ryu is COOKING!
glass mortar
and wouldnt matter for law
proven ocean
runic bough
Ye I can't word it
proven ocean
runic bough
Word it better for me
proven ocean
runic bough
English is my only language I can't speak it guys my bad
glass mortar
linear flat damage only and always isnt enough of a benifit
runic bough
Fazed is lame
ornate egret
hello... i have seaforium and keys on hero... what recomendation for dinars?
proven ocean
Waht do u want
vivid vessel
you are my favorite cuh in rh cuh 
proven ocean
keen belfry
how much dmg does law get from optimal raid buffs in dungys
vivid vessel
bout 15%
runic bough
They added it to fuu didn't they
keen belfry
thats quite nuts
proven ocean
I got too much wow/internet in my head
runic bough
Reset zeross
proven ocean
Might delete discord and wow for a while
vivid vessel
@keen belfry
proven ocean
<@177964030474977281>
Feels fake
vivid vessel
should and monk is already 10%
vivid vessel
well it does wdym
runic bough
Skyfury feels like more
vivid vessel
ah uh idk
keen belfry
<@177964030474977281>
i have no monk in this gorup i should leave
proven ocean
Idk it felt like something is multiplicative on outlaw with these buffs zac
Idk what it is
But
Every time i play outlaw with all buffs
Something feels off with the dmg
Atleast thats how it was in DF
vivid vessel
red zinc
Dog buug patched
fathom bramble
the buffs are all so simple idk what could even be doing something unexpected
red zinc
vivid vessel
wintry solar
Amazing content brought to by Zeross
fathom bramble
why is battle shout so close to 5% actually 🤔
proven ocean
Did u watch silo season 2 zac
red zinc
Streets of marseille be like
vivid vessel
Did u watch silo season 2 zac
ye i did
proven ocean
Me watching now
runic bough
Guys another cook from earlier
lime lake
ono
proven ocean
No pls
red zinc
pre
red zinc
Type faster
proven ocean
Weve had enough
proven ocean
He types a whole essay of something nobody wants to read
runic bough
Between the Eyes now breaks apart and hits all targets in front of the player if there is more than 3 targets in 10 yard radius. This effect works with Blade Flurry, causing them to take initial hit damage and flurrying off each other.
red zinc
mods send him to an igloo on mars
runic bough
red zinc
runic bough
Aoe nuke for outlaw
Would help keys a lot
It could be an execute for single target
That would be nice
vivid vine
ngl i'm getting so tempted
proven ocean
I heard block button helps
vivid vine
to just post my key and spam decline anyone who applies
proven ocean
My guy is a menace
vivid vine
let them feel a fraction of my pain!
runic bough
Between the Eyes now fragments when target hp hits 35% hp, causing the target to take extra damage and bleeding out. Initial hit activates this effect and does 4 million damage. All Between the Eye shots will now hit for 35% more damage while the target has bleed out
daring oxide
!ban ryu
runic bough
You could even set it to where bte gets stronger the more lower the hp gets.
proven ocean
!ban ryu
runic bough
!ban-protect self
daring oxide
i would prefer they just give us more cdr in execute
just make us go fucking nuts
sub 35% restless blades doubles CDR rate
daring oxide
nah
late swallow
Tier is over and still no outlaw article
daring oxide
0.8 gcd 99% uptime is already pushing it
daring oxide
Tier is over and still no outlaw article
we are literally the last one
late swallow
we are literally the last one
Lmaooo
runic bough
I mean sometimes we could go faster If it let us
proven ocean
@cinder relic btw can u add in the wowhead article that we want either killingspree deleted or doesnt make us lose control of our charecter?
daring oxide
This is in the shadow priest one that came out today:
whats actually left?
proven ocean
Also when is the article coming out
runic bough
He supposedly added ks in it
daring oxide
Frost DK?
runic bough
We don't know what he says
hollow temple
Also when is the article coming out
RNG
daring oxide
<@96834520417828864> btw can u add in the wowhead article that we want either ki...
I'm 100% sure Guy will rant about KS, he will want it fixed so he can play outlaw again, because I'm pretty sure @cinder relic would refuse to even look at Outlaw while KS is meta
lime lake
both warriors
proven ocean
@cinder relic atm the only thing i hate about outlaw is killingspree and thats just preventing me from playing it, fatebound has coin flip bugs that can cause lucky coin to never proc i forget how but i think alot of ppl here know
lime lake
like wtf
fathom bramble
how many specs are there in the game now?
daring oxide
Remaining order for the mid expansion articles:
Fire mage > BM hunter > Frost DK > Arms Warrior > Fury Warrior > Feral Druid > Resto Shaman > New class for Midnight > Pres Evoker > Outlaw Rogue
lime lake
pres evoker
hollow temple
how many specs are there in the game now?
39?
fathom bramble
that's not all of the missing ones
lime lake
theres like 9-10 specs that havent been done yet
fathom bramble
there's 28 articles it looks like
lime lake
at least
fathom bramble
so 11 missing specs if everyone is getting one
wintry solar
If KS were ever fixed, I'd never talent out of trickster.
fathom bramble
also apparently battle shout doesn't just increase attack power by 5%
it also increases the portion of ability damage calculation that comes from wdps
I always thought it didn't for some reason
daring oxide
it also increases the portion of ability damage calculation that comes from wdps
oh so its much bigger than people realise?
hollow temple
If KS were ever fixed, I'd never talent out of trickster.
Non Crackshot builds are all fatebound, sorry
cinder relic
<@96834520417828864> btw can u add in the wowhead article that we want either ki...
Yeah I totally didn't include any mention of KS
wintry solar
Non Crackshot builds are all fatebound, sorry
They don't even EXIST
fathom bramble
oh so its much bigger than people realise?
idk if a lot of people even think about this
it just means battle shout does the 5% that it says instead of lower
daring oxide
Yeah I totally didn't include any mention of KS
daring oxide
obviously Guy is joking, right?
daring oxide
wintry solar
He was actually joking all the other times he said he ranted about KS in the article
cinder relic
craggy barn
hollow temple
lime lake
holy based
craggy barn
bro this 5 mask shit is annoying
hollow temple
king shit
fathom bramble
Killing spree can now also teleport you to allies granting them a similar teleporting attack on their next spell or ability cast(33% chance on each teleport). Killing spree now automatically casts roll the bones and multiplies the duration by the number of buffs recieved. Killing spree now has 2 chares.
hollow temple
wintry solar
He wrote that to spite the ones who are complaint mains
Complainlaw
Killing Spree now just kills you. You now skip the theatrics and go straight to the inevitable.
craggy barn
killing spree kills 1 friendly ally per combo point spent. the last hit always kills you
fathom bramble
Killing spree now causes your character to forget who is friend and who is foe. You can no longer be healed by allies and can deal damage to them with all your abilities. Gain 200% increased damage during killing spree and extend the duration by 20 seconds for each ally killed. 5 Minute cooldown, 20 second duration.
craggy barn
stealth now makes u invisible to allies
runic bough
After dying to killingspree, if you get Battle Resurrected, you gain a 15% damage buff
craggy barn
distract plays a loud horn sound for all players within 100yds
vanish now properly disconnects you
vague cape
can someone drop me an inv to details discord
violet ferry
Killing Spree now lowers the ilvl of a random piece of worn equipment by 1 ilvl each time it is used. The ilvls return upon the next daily reset.
craggy barn
smoke bomb is now back as a pve ability, when used, smoke now starts spewing out of your GPU
vague cape
or a string to combine mugzee trink dmg on details
runic bough
smoke bomb is now back as a pve ability, when used, smoke now starts spewing out...
Hey don't kill my pc
runic bough
wintry solar
smoke bomb is now back as a pve ability, when used, smoke now starts spewing out...
That reminds me of the time my PSU exploded and Guy told me it didnt
craggy barn
LOL
runic bough
Killing spree now causes your character to forget who is friend and who is foe. ...
Outlaw berserker
wintry solar
It wasn't even a dream. If you go back far enough, you can probably find it.
It was years ago
I thought that was funny
runic bough
I hope my psu doesn't explode its a titanium and I got it on sale, would probably get a gold one if it did
Outlaw berserker sounds fun
craggy barn
adren rush already makes us kinda berserker esque
runic bough
Eh
craggy barn
idk when i use it my character screams in rage
copper radish
been using twilight in keys havent pulled any mobs yet XD 1.5% overall its doing just around
runic bough
Not really cuz we can still have moments we can't press any buttons no energy
craggy barn
thats the rage falling off
wintry solar
I hope my psu doesn't explode its a titanium and I got it on sale, would probabl...
The one that exploded was old and dirty and stuff so frankly it was bound to happen eventually
copper radish
2.2mil crits off lesser twilight makes me excited for this epic one on tuesday
wintry solar
Child's play in BFA
wintry solar
idk when i use it my character screams in rage
I have the yarr addon macroed to my adr
You just yell pirate stuff
It also pairs well with owospeak
craggy barn
idk what non undead male rogues sound like when they adren rush
wintry solar
If you're into that
craggy barn
my guy goes like YEAAAAAAH
violet ferry
daring oxide
wintry solar
The gender is a little different too
It's basically the same but the tone is different
runic bough
slate plaza
dont bombs on stix work with like player ids
slate plaza
and i will alwayus get the ball at the same time
dense bolt
they gonna double down on KS teleporting
its gonna get fixed in .7 fix your title
belive
craggy barn
well ion talked about outlaw and changing it probably
daring oxide
11.2
lime lake
11.1.11
craggy barn
so ANY DAY NOW
daring oxide
well ion talked about outlaw and changing it probably
well theres no way outlaw is playable in its state if they go nuclear on weak auras xddddddddddd
wintry solar
Lowkey that might be the play. Because blizz would be like "oh they want to be less in control? Well let's not give them what they want and give them complete control."
lime lake
well ion talked about outlaw and changing it probably
ion personally reworking outlaw 
daring oxide
ion personally reworking outlaw <:poggers:652288776021999626>
it'll go back to being reverted to 'Combat'
slate plaza
did guy really say this
daring oxide
the total OPPOSITE
lime lake
dense bolt
CLEU gettting removed would nuke so many weakauras
slate plaza
i wouldnt be surprised if guy actually was that sarcastricv
daring oxide
runic bough
Would you guys be able to play with just action bars?
daring oxide
i just need an easy way to track specific buffs that i can move under my character on screen
thats all
and its good
dense bolt
i mean if cooldown manager would behave like class Weakauras
no worries cooldown manager was a big hit so they are now deciding to rework the whole ui and disable what we have atm and they will do amazing work of it
yep
daring oxide
but the blizzard base ui is so bad for that atm
wintry solar
Oh god
daring oxide
i tried playing without WAs at the start of this tier
wintry solar
The CD tracker
slate plaza
otulaw needs weak auras
daring oxide
just for visually tracking buffs yes and thats the problem
too much cognitive load required otherwise
slate plaza
we need to be able to to see the actual number on a cooldown not how less blacked out it is
daring oxide
if you were to use base blizzard UI
dense bolt
i think the raiding thing and making stuff "easier" cuz you wont be able to weakaura it is good, but everything else is high copium from blizzard
daring oxide
they mentioned wanting to make the game more accessible regards to visually parsing things
and thats a huge undertaking they need to work on
slate plaza
wow players are getting old and blizz is panicking lol
daring oxide
because right now WoW is probably the most visually cluttered game in the industry
and thats why addons exist
to make WoW accessible
slate plaza
if anything the addons create the clutter
daring oxide
smart people outside of blizzard come up with accessibility solutions to a badly designed base wow ui
daring oxide
if anything the addons create the clutter
nah, the addons organise the clutter
thats the thing
craggy barn
addons help and harm readability
they help show exactly what u want
but they can also show EVERYTHING
slate plaza
nah, the addons organise the clutter
thtas fair
daring oxide
addons make that visual clutter from boss fights, and gameplay, and class mechanics, into a visually organised and easy to read way
thats the way i see it
just take all that away
and you have no fucking clue wahts happening
trust me
dense bolt
my pov is that blizzard is trying to much with this stuff
daring oxide
i tried that
frail veldt
Add-ons that fix blizzards UI incompetence are important
craggy barn
they cant do all this at once
dense bolt
the cooldown one
daring oxide
i tried deleting WAs, and two weeks into new tier i gave up
craggy barn
i mean, they even said the manager isnt even gonna release complete
daring oxide
i couldn't track anything comfortably
dense bolt
u are blind
runic bough
Its more of the fact that blizzard ignores visual cues and we are forced to use WA so we know when things happen.
dense bolt
its so bad
dense bolt
yea mewo
dense bolt
no worries!
frail veldt
And as a result people write it off even if it improves
dense bolt
they are now doing everything
slate plaza
were on stix prog
dense bolt
to the game
slate plaza
this shit is mentally rough]
wintry solar
Manager wouldn't be as bad if it were customizable
dense bolt
more or less
copper radish
5 buff RTB roll back to back to back as HO feels so godly
slate plaza
im fine with blizz releasing their own things and getting rid of addons
but like
make the system usable
before getting rid of other shit
dense bolt
brother blizzard are 15 years behind addon and WA development it will never be as good
everything else is copium
runic bough
Blizzard could easily make a UI per spec like WA packs do but they refuse.
craggy barn
before getting rid of other shit
they literally said they will do this
daring oxide
Its more of the fact that blizzard ignores visual cues and we are forced to use ...
i dont think they ignore visual cues, they just lack the expertise to make them genuinely accessible for a wide range of players
slate plaza
they literally said they will do this
im just hating on blizz
craggy barn
i know
slate plaza
to hate on blizz
craggy barn
and its fucking annoying just spewing shit that was already addressed
slate plaza
i didnt know that was addressed
teal garnet
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
dense bolt
my general thought is why change something that works, but at the same time i like the thinking about how it will affect raiding so im like 50/50
runic bough
They could just be like every other game that's already existed and put up combat notes for the player. Which is what dbm and bigwigs do because wow ignored it.
craggy barn
it works and it doesnt work
it works for players
kinda
and it absolutely fucks over design space
for them
daring oxide
my general thought is why change something that works, but at the same time i li...
I have a feeling the devs are burned out trying to innovate new boss/raid/class/dungeon mechanics that would pose a challenge for us, since us players are geared with very good addons like WAs to help us overcome stuff easier
they just can't keep up
and have run out of ideas
dense bolt
yea idk
daring oxide
or its just too difficult
dense bolt
i just think there will be a workaround as always
daring oxide
they were hoping private auras would buy them time
dense bolt
like macros
wintry solar
I blame crackshot tbh
dense bolt
for private auras
glass mortar
but they were immediately bypassed with communication macros
u can break this
dense bolt
there are just gigabrain people out there that have been doing addons/WAs for 10 years and blizzard are just so far behind its not even gonna be close
glass mortar
its not hard fyi
u can make it so addons cant reach the ingame chat
but if they do that ur like
basically deleting WA
wintry solar
Speaking of communication, what happened to the community council?
craggy barn
theyve been fighting against weak auras for a while in the encounter design space, which leads to a lot of issues on the player front where people feel like they NEED these weak auras to do the content
which blizzard doesnt like that it feels like a requirement (because it is. because of the war between design and weak aura makers)
dense bolt
yea noone thought sneak.lua would ever be a thing aswell but
daring oxide
if they remove combat addons or restrict access, people will just end up using other forms of communication to let each other know if they got a debuff or mechanic, and probably result with some kind of external boss mod or external WA doing the mechanics for us anyways...
runic bough
I have a feeling the devs are burned out trying to innovate new boss/raid/class/...
This has never been an issue since they re-use content so much.
dense bolt
theres always gonna be workarounds if blizz dont hire these people on their own
glass mortar
if they remove combat addons or restrict access, people will just end up using o...
overlays ye
daring oxide
overlays ye
aye overlays
daring oxide
then they ban overlays
FF14 does it well though
craggy barn
eh blizz would have a damage meter still
daring oxide
you dont need addons to do ultimate raids
torpid fiber
I think that weakauras are gigabroken rn for solving stuff and agree they probably need to go, I just don't trust blizzard to implement replacements for acceptable levels well
Also I think not having a kick tracker is stupid as fuck and hurts pugs so much more than organised groups for no reason
daring oxide
and they are legit hard
glass mortar
ff14 was always designed around it
daring oxide
yeah
FF14 has very clear, and good ways of telegraphing mechanics and is challenging as well
dense bolt
this is a thing where the "thought" is good but doesnt really work in reality
slate plaza
i feel like developing a system like dbm with proper features would take 6ish months no?
imagine all the other shit they need to implent too
were probably a while away from no addons
craggy barn
yes
dense bolt
i think there will be alot of backlash about this
runic bough
They've had how many years to develop the UI don't say they need more time lol
slate plaza
100%
dense bolt
and they wont commit 100%
daring oxide
I think that weakauras are gigabroken rn for solving stuff and agree they probab...
if they do stop computational weak auras for boss mechanics, they need to massively simplify bosses as well probably, as we are only good at them in general because of weak auras solving the mechanics, even in world first race, the race is entirely dependant on private WA authors constantly creating new WAs on the fly to help Liquid/Echo overcome mechanics
craggy barn
imo we wont see addon removal until after titan saga
dense bolt
but i do wanna see a raid aswell where WAs doesnt decide what to do
errant arrow
after titan saga is WoW2, built in unreal 5
slate plaza
i honestly enjoy the idea of a no weak aura relient raid, it matters more on in the moment skill than looking at a weak aura telling you where to go/when what to do
wintry solar
if they do stop computational weak auras for boss mechanics, they need to massiv...
They probably do want to simplify it anyway tbh.
daring oxide
but i do wanna see a raid aswell where WAs doesnt decide what to do
make the fight difficult through maths (healing/dps output)
torpid fiber
if they do stop computational weak auras for boss mechanics, they need to massiv...
I agree with this as well fwiw
slate plaza
smth like nelth portals is a perfect example
daring oxide
They probably do want to simplify it anyway tbh.
I hope so too, I really dislike using WAs but its hard to play outlaw, mythic raid without them...
torpid fiber
The biggest challenge is that the APIs the computational WAs use are the same as the basic stuff that's been around forever use
wintry solar
Classic style raid fights in 2026 :O
daring oxide
these are all things ion talked about
theres been an update to that in a recent interview
wintry solar
I hope so too, I really dislike using WAs but its hard to play outlaw, mythic ra...
Yeah. Outlaw has too any moving parts atm