actual HoF-UI
#outlaw
hardy thicket
leaden folio
missed some censor, we can find you
stuck timber
is event weapon still viable or I should stick with my hero capo molten knukcles?
gaunt phoenix
is event weapon still viable or I should stick with my hero capo molten knukcles...
you use them both. The event weapon is only good on packs
You use a macro to swap offhands between them in keys
capo for bosses
lavish siren
@aryaxo this happens to me sometimes when i pve with outlaw, not sure what's causing it. It doesnt happen often
vale warren
No gryphons ngmi
stuck timber
nice I'll try it
gaunt phoenix
lmao
discord moment
just cut off the message with no indication that it is larger
proven ocean
@gaunt phoenix leveling
gaunt phoenix
no !
proven ocean
solo — 8:59 PM
no !
cinder haven
This latest Ion interview scares the shit out of me
gaunt phoenix
Yeah idk
gaunt phoenix
I didn't think they would seriously cut major stuff that could actually lose them players
cinder haven
Force us to not play around certain buffs?
proven ocean
sure i'll be the first to volunteer
i saw a wowhead post talking about it i think
or a post
sec
next wedge
as long as u can track stuff with in game tools then its a W
but seeing as it's blizz it's likely an L
hybrid crown
They should just avoid designing weak aura bosses, and let weak auras just become less needed on their own
cinder haven
Anyone who already has a highly customised ui only stand to lose QoL from this I guess
proven ocean
just a matter of time till they fuck up the game and it turns into runescape 2.0 where people want the old wow back
xd
part of why osrs is way bigger than the main game
cinder haven
They want to make it more approachable
proven ocean
they kept overcooking
next wedge
cant wait to play BfA classic so i can play with my addons kek
cinder haven
But they will alienate their current player base doing it?
slate plaza
heroic capo is only 0.1% better in offhand st compared to 675 offhand
proven ocean
idk
next wedge
i think the only thing that will really alientate people en masse is these thing shipping poorly at the same time as a good competitor comes out (riot mmo please save us)
cinder haven
I have no issue with them improving base ui
But why take away access from addons, doesn’t make any sense
next wedge
because for new players wow is already difficult enough to get into, and if you don't know that you need 20 different addons to make it better, you're at a disadvantage to players who do know
i dont think that's a great argument, but that's the way blizz seems to feel
cinder haven
So make the base ui good enough that the addons aren’t needed
Don’t need to take them away
proven ocean
So make the base ui good enough that the addons aren’t needed
thats not the point i think
their main goal is to make normal players have access to the best combat enhancing UI WAs
like for example a WA that tells u press defensive at x amount of seconds
next wedge
like think about an outlaw player who uses WA vs one who doesnt
if u dont even know about WA or whatever else it is that we use then ur at such a big disadvantage
cinder haven
And they have no confidence in beating the community in a fair fight
So they plan on cheating
next wedge
And they have no confidence in beating the community in a fair fight
yes 100%
i mean one of the things i like about ff14 is that you dont need addons bc there just aren't really any
civic zephyr
Anyone who already has a highly customised ui only stand to lose QoL from this I...
just can't lose elvui i don't care for much js not that
next wedge
i dont think they want to get rid of customization options
just like
WA that assign shit and play the game for u
slate plaza
would you guys grab offhand capo if its a 1.8% increase only in st or a crowd mainahnd thats a 1.5% increase in st and will be used in keys]
probably crowd
hardy thicket
missed some censor, we can find you
not mine tho so idgaf just tried to be nice to my friend :<
slate plaza
but i can farm crowd
hardy thicket
mine is equally bad though im prolly close
cinder haven
Let’s say they take away the ability to track opportunity except for the built in spell proc aura
next wedge
so i interperate this like they want to go back to simpler game design, while taking away some of the stuff that trivializes that shit
civic zephyr
so shit like bigwigs and dbm is going to be wiped
next wedge
rn im gonna hesitantly say W for the game pending on execution
civic zephyr
rn im gonna hesitantly say W for the game pending on execution
execution will be shit
still gonna need add on makers
to improve them
cinder haven
I have no faith in their ability to get this right tbh
civic zephyr
so we back to step one
where you still need add on makers to improve on blizzard base design
next wedge
I have no faith in their ability to get this right tbh
same but i choose optimism anyways
next wedge
idk why they dont just like
port addons into base game essentially
like go hire details creators to do that shit for base game
thorn river
hekili users in shambles when they gonna remove it tho
next wedge
they already are adding hekili into base
civic zephyr
hekili users in shambles when they gonna remove it tho
adding
cinder haven
How do you remove hekili without ruining weakauras?
civic zephyr
hekili
cinder haven
I don’t think it can be done
civic zephyr
in base game and from what i read
thorn river
they already are adding hekili into base
yeh but worse
next wedge
oh i like that actually
cinder haven
You can basically make hekili with wa
civic zephyr
oh i like that actually
so a player can upload a import string and you just rip it and use it yourself
cinder haven
So they’ll have to hamstring weakauras if they want to achieve that
next wedge
so a player can upload a import string and you just rip it and use it yourself
it lets community theroycrafting help ppl still
cinder haven
They’ll make it so you can only track buffs/stacks etc the built in way
thorn river
So they’ll have to hamstring weakauras if they want to achieve that
so hekili users still not in shambles ?
cinder haven
They will be in shambles
next wedge
They’ll make it so you can only track buffs/stacks etc the built in way
i think bc allowing the non built in way will cause unintended functionality for addon players
wow devs want ppl to be on equal ground it feels like
fast axle
[Zee's Thug Hotline] What that shit do really ??!!!
next wedge
wow java editon for life
thorn river
They will be in shambles
u think? mostly they are removing to watch party cd's right ?
cinder haven
They want hekili users to move to blizzards version of hekili
And they probably can’t make one that is as good
civic zephyr
They want hekili users to move to blizzards version of hekili
supposedly
thorn river
yeh ofc, but realisticy hekili users wont swap cuz of the for sure dps loss i think
civic zephyr
it's not horrible
cinder haven
So they’ll have to block the ability to make a hekili like addon
next wedge
And they probably can’t make one that is as good
why not if player priority strings are allowed to be imported
cinder haven
Which will kill weakauras as collateral damage
thorn river
no WA's at all is gonna be a riot
thorn river
I don’t give a fuck about hekili tbh
yeh me neither, i just need my WA's
red zinc
So they’ll have to block the ability to make a hekili like addon
The addon “blocking” isnt happening till end of 11.2 / prepatch so
Got a lil while
Likely to me it drops alongside housing so people are distracted with non combat stuff long enough for them to fix it
cinder haven
Yeah, and they still have time to see reason
next wedge
there's no way
red zinc
the new season is in august
glass mortar
brother what we dont even have s3 release date yet
lime lake
lmao
glass mortar
we gunna have a 1 month s3?
next wedge
we still ahve the whole .2 .2.5 .2.7
cinder haven
Ye
red zinc
january maybe
dense bolt
where u guys reading bout them nuking WAs
cinder haven
I’m speculating only
red zinc
theres nothing about wa’s, only cd tracking
cinder haven
Based on their wish to kill helkili
red zinc
New interview with ion
glass mortar
i think alot of people r speculating that in order to break some of the addon interactions they talk about in this article, it would also break WA
not that theyve outright said they are removing WA
thorn river
im all in to lessen WA's needed to raid, but dont kill all
cinder haven
Yeah if you wanna block hekili you’ll ruin wa because they both use the same apis
thorn river
some are just nice ''helpers'' etc, like UI etc
cinder haven
Let’s say they block addons from access to spell cd and buff apis
glass mortar
august is part of summer no?
civic zephyr
august is part of summer no?
indeed
next wedge
end of summer
so where tf did u get augest prepatch
civic zephyr
so where tf did u get augest prepatch
cause the reveal
next wedge
we're making shit up
civic zephyr
is gonna be
thorn river
Let’s say they block addons from access to spell cd and buff apis
thats pretty RIP to UI aswell i guess
civic zephyr
at games con or whatever the fuck it's called
red zinc
Lets drop prepatch 1 week into the season lads
lime lake
the housing icon is prepatch
red zinc
next wedge
midnight reveal =/= prepatch even remotely
cinder haven
thats pretty RIP to UI aswell i guess
Yeah but like I said, I’m just speculating
thorn river
Yeah but like I said, I’m just speculating
yeah same, would be a shitfest tbh
UI is my Love
cinder haven
I really like to tinker with my UI
thorn river
same, next weekend im off im gonna tweak some more, realy not technical as i work construction. But always glad if i did it and looks clean
only takes a shitton of time for me 😛
civic zephyr
Lets drop prepatch 1 week into the season lads
see he gets it now
we got till about autumn
red zinc
not really you’re a donut
civic zephyr
not really you’re a donut
cinder haven
If they limit wa too much it’ll make TC:ing less fun as well for me
cinder haven
I use them a lot when testing stuff
civic zephyr
autumn geyser
so, i need the offhand dagger or heroic capo (im 2/8 Mythic)
civic zephyr
so, i need the offhand dagger or heroic capo (im 2/8 Mythic)
YOU NEED THAT CAPO
slate plaza
what boss does capo drop from
glass mortar
mugzee
glass mortar
so, i need the offhand dagger or heroic capo (im 2/8 Mythic)
or just get a vexie weapon and put crafted in ur oh
slate plaza
never getting that thing mythic lol
glass mortar
if u have spare dinars u can take a herioc capo, its like 0.3% better then a crafted oh, 0.2% better then vexie
slate plaza
assuming he farms vexie every week he gets a shot on kill and vault
glass mortar
depends on if thats worth a dinar for u or not
slate plaza
we honestly get dogshit dinar value
unless you deep mythic raid
no good st trinkets from m+
thorn river
vexie weapon ?
autumn geyser
its not vexie
thorn river
vexie doesnst drop weapon ?
autumn geyser
its cauldron weapon
slate plaza
shi
autumn geyser
slate plaza
i stand corrected
thorn river
ay thats my MH
vivid vessel
@glass mortar @fathom bramble https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxb_ecZMAPZrqF-aS0uy7rjZ2JDlB-r3wN?si=gVJ4hFZ0fWvIpoc4
autumn geyser
i thot the nightfall proc was bis for m+
glass mortar
<@185854083964469249> <@101843879791177728> https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxb_ecZMA...
itsa good fight
slate plaza
its my favourite key
thorn river
<@185854083964469249> <@101843879791177728> https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxb_ecZMA...
that BigWigs looks clean af tho
keen belfry
am i nerd guys
16 day europe trip with friends that happens during s3 launch
gonna bein EU thinking about all the loot im missing
weary cargo
!wa
flat needle
it's not going to be much better. looks like i can finally play the game (or touch grass) 
keen belfry
but its ok cause u'll also be cookin
should i return to outlaw raid in s3
it think KS needs to be fixed b4 that
lime lake
brave adder
its normal if i make KIlling spree on 2 boss undermine the cauldron Dino ?
brave adder
My death on cauldron before he beaming i make Killingspree Flarendo
glass mortar
yes you cant kspree during the beam or you will die instantly coming out of it
either cloak or hold it
tulip quarry
Beofre Killing cloak or after `?
You won't have time after, instant death
but 4m hps XD
brave adder
or i got kokon from monk ?
keen belfry
yeah 17s+ just arent a thing here
lone spear
isnt it like, 10am on a thursday in NA
lone spear
idk, in oce it feels aight during peak hours, then again if you want to do anythin above 16s you really should just get group
not pug*
its a hard ask in this day and age though, some of these people in pug groups are* straight psychos
runic bough
why is NA so dead when it comes to keys
It was noted that NA players are also worse than EU players as a whole. Granted liquid is NA and an exception to the pug census data.
lone spear
its cause they like poach the best from NA
tbf they also are just chill guys for the most part
crazy atmosphere to have in a RWF guild, most top 50 guilds have straight north korea vibes
glass mortar
or i got kokon from monk ?
u will die instantly it does 430 million damage or something like that
cloak before, its possible to cloak after if ur fast sometimes but not always
so just cloak before
hollow temple
why is NA so dead when it comes to keys
jobs
runic bough
That's why I just set my highest key to 16. I don't have a team so I'm not gonna bother going higher.
vivid vessel
it's not going to be much better. looks like i can finally play the game (or tou...
can get .5 more i think
runic bough
Its my first season to even get 3k rating
vivid vessel
im .25 and i could get upgrades with a wrist and back
runic bough
Great season except for ks.
hardy thicket
First time I get to actually be one of those who didnt touch the game and then just subs and gets a free ride to 678+ ilvl
feels good
runic bough
Yeah
Wow has lost its uniqueness per class
Now its about alt playing
Which sucks for one trick players
red zinc
you should gear an alt irl (learn a skill and get a job)
lone spear
runic bough
In the usa your goal should be to live in a red state and save money yes
Blue states steal your money and inflation
thorn river
forgetting Cloak at Flarendo Beam while KS 😄
red zinc
are you from oklahoma
runic bough
I'm in a blue state now so I just play wow after work and plan my moving later
Not much money
glass mortar
Blue states steal your money and inflation
gotta steal our money to pay for the red states which have been almost universally a financial drain on the country for 40 years but sure
xd
red zinc
politics
hardy thicket
kekw american politics
red zinc
glass mortar
mhm
hardy thicket
glass mortar
sorry i saw a very silly thing i couldnt resist
runic bough
glass mortar
oh lordy
haughty wigeon
glass mortar
this is not the channel for this ryu
haughty wigeon
ryu say sike right now
hardy thicket
This is danger zone
dense bolt
Lock in bois
hardy thicket
abort abort
haughty wigeon
you dont actually believe that do u?
hardy thicket
dont
runic bough
How long does it take to get the head enchant
red zinc
nono
red zinc
keep him going
hardy thicket
How long does it take to get the head enchant
like 4-5 runs
red zinc
i need this
dense bolt
wtf
hardy thicket
1h max
glass mortar
u get it pretty fast, u get a free one from the quest and then further ones arent expensive
a few runs
runic bough
Nah we can't talk about it they censor discord to ban those topics because it's true
hardy thicket
ok ima gog get my pizza and tab back into wow
jolly geyser
doesnt take long
glass mortar
Nah we can't talk about it they censor discord to ban those topics because it's ...
pretty sure u can talk about it all u want in one of the other channels just not this one
think its offtopic or w/e where they chat about politics
runic bough
Yeah but still it's a global censor rule
civic void
The discord shareholders are about to strike
gaunt phoenix
Ryu you are fucking clueless
runic bough
I'm not talking about it anymore in trying to talk about visions
glass mortar
wait is it a full week of stormwind visions
craggy barn
yes
glass mortar
thats how this worked right its weekly back and forth
severe jungle
Yeah but still it's a global censor rule
help I’m being persecuted for my [REDACTED] beliefs!
gaunt phoenix
All you do is stir shit, intentionally or not
glass mortar
man they missed a hell of an oppurtunity to add a few new zones of visions in
jovial sedge
heyo! i got an issue with my weapon swap macro.. i use double crowd favorite. if i now want to use the weapon swap macro for the nightfall i automaticaly puts it in the mainhand, even if i use the slot number 17.. maybe anyone got an solutions for this?
haughty wigeon
idk visions is just reskinned content
glass mortar
wdym reskinned its literally copy pasted
dense bolt
werry are u na or eu
glass mortar
calling it reskinned is doing heavy lifting even
craggy barn
heyo! i got an issue with my weapon swap macro.. i use double crowd favorite. if...
wthe provided macro doesnt work if u use 2 of the same
glass mortar
its just rereleased bfa content but it was a banger then so its banger now 💅
jolly geyser
suramar vision
glass mortar
dont take this from me
haughty wigeon
im surprised they didnt put a new raid for bfa time walking tbh
jovial sedge
mhh ok, kinda sucks
haughty wigeon
i would have loved to go back to something
gaunt phoenix
heyo! i got an issue with my weapon swap macro.. i use double crowd favorite. if...
You can swap by bag slot
It's like /equipslot 17 <bag #> <slot #>
runic bough
Someone said yesterday we have to be careful to vanish on mobs they reset in visions
glass mortar
blizzard never puts difficulty slider solo content into this game
glass mortar
i wanna lick every drop of it
haughty wigeon
instead of doing dungeons
hardy thicket
wait welcome back where u been
I turned daddy and had to go afk 6 months and be repsonsible for once
jovial sedge
You can swap by bag slot
It's like /equipslot 17 <bag #> <slot #>
ok thx, gonna try this
dense bolt
holy gratz
hardy thicket
ty
runic bough
Are you guys vanishing bosses or does it reset too much
hardy thicket
now im in boomer dad gaming zone
dense bolt
boi or girl
dense bolt
jolly geyser
grats man
dense bolt
runic bough
glass mortar
DADGAMING
haughty wigeon
this is what wow after being a dad looks like
hardy thicket
tru
grave carbon
ret is worse then bm
runic bough
I dont know how parents play wow unless it's after kids go to bed at night. You could have to drop the game at any moment
cloud thunder
@vivid vessel having fun on candle king ? 
haughty wigeon
ret is worse then bm
nah bm is still one button
hardy thicket
it is after kids go to bed at night
and then you schedule responsibility per night
haughty wigeon
"bu bu but but but muh barbed arrow stacks!" just press it
hardy thicket
but im home alone firs time in 7 months so now im chillin
runic bough
Yeah I'd probably be playing d2:r or something where I can instantly logoff
glass mortar
i mean 1 button macro coming soon you can just put someone on follow and play the game with 1 hand while you entertain the child with the other
blizzard is making big moves for the dadgamers tbh
over the next couple expacs
hardy thicket
tru
with addons gone i can just natty game with 1 hand
as well
hell I can even have the kid roll their face all over the keyboard im still good
runic bough
Once I craft belt in two weeks I will just need to replace heroic tiers. Maybe us casuals will be bis in two weeks.
glass mortar
and then in a few years the kid will be old enough for u to teach how to rep grind so they can be "entertained" while grinding you out a new couch for your wow home
glass mortar
yes but im not surprised u dont recognize
hardy thicket
huh
hardy thicket
nono ramfam
sullen wyvern
It looks like I need to have all my keys +16 timed in order to be able to join a 15
sullen wyvern
ah
very fun much poggers
practically impossible to climb unless you either get a team or play FOTM
I dont have the patience to be playing LFG simulator all day
hardy thicket
ye well yes
I did title once in DF solo and I LFG:ed simulated 8+ hours every session
runic bough
I make like 5k gold a day herbing between keys
sullen wyvern
Imagine spending hours trying to get into a key
hardy thicket
Im never doing title again unless full team
runic bough
I think next season I'm pvp
hardy thicket
these stats are still taking DF into account
runic bough
If they make another bad raid
sullen wyvern
I would pvp again but pvp is too cooked now
same teams starting at 1.6k mmr
pvp is deadge deadge deadge deadge
hardy thicket
1805 applies 342 accepts
sullen wyvern
these stats are still taking DF into account
runic bough
True but what else is there to do but get achievements after no pve no pvp
sullen wyvern
I honestly just play something else
Hd2, Oblivion remaster, etc
or I play alts if I wanna play wow
runic bough
Yeah tww made it clear if you don't like your class to reroll
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> having fun on candle king ? <:pepela:928410749980770344>
i had 0 energy ??
hardy thicket
TWW made alts pretty noice I like it
glass mortar
xd
cloud thunder
glass mortar
yea ive had that happen
glass mortar
get fukt by FF procs bozo
hardy thicket
whos gonna tell him
glass mortar
i mean u can just get totally hilariously rng fukt by FF
and ive noticed it more recently idk why
but its still pretty damn rare
having 5-6 buffs and normal procs and being out of energy is a wild feeling
glass mortar
what kspree does to a mf
hardy thicket
you kinda did tho
grave rose
anyone bored enough to look over a log and tell me how to improve?
glass mortar
i respect zacs commitement to getting the entire upper EU key pushing community to blacklist kspree from keys
press that shit on cd for max dps brother
its what blizzard wanted
🫡
proven ocean
💀 photoshopped
vivid vessel
not showing the other deaths
latent oak
does anyone have any idea what this means
runic bough
Blade Flurry now has a new addional effect called Final Flurry. Upon reaching 1 target over your target limit (9) Final Flurry activates. Performs a series of 5 Blade Rushes at 200% power.
cloud thunder
runic bough
vivid vessel
other deaths
no
i wont
@glass mortar
remind me to check that run
on third boss
im pretty sure
craggy barn
i love tanks dying in m+, then insta releasing and being stuck in combat bc im still alive
vivid vessel
its bugged
its not the first time i have 0 energy on that boss
something is wrong
vivid vessel
dfc
glass mortar
hmm
vivid vessel
statues
glass mortar
ok
glass mortar
tbh ive been thinking lately maybe weapon swapping all the time is bugging our energy xd but idk
i had a very weird experience on tuesday
i think maybe my tier set or sleight stopped working
vivid vessel
tbh ive been thinking lately maybe weapon swapping all the time is bugging our e...
hm
runic bough
No it happens even before weapon swap was a thing
glass mortar
i did 3 keys in a row where i had a 5 buff 1 or 2 times total over a key
glass mortar
and just
vivid vessel
remind me if i forget
glass mortar
dozens and dozens of 1 buffs
vivid vessel
i will ping you if i dont forget
glass mortar
okok
vivid vessel
I will get to the bottom of it ! ! ! ! !
shell hinge
hey guys, i'm trying to sim getting double crafted rings atm because i see that's what most top outlaw's are running, but it sims as a dps loss over a circe's circlet, am i doing something wrong or is circe's really that strong for outlaw ?
glass mortar
u can always link the sim
proven ocean
hey guys, i'm trying to sim getting double crafted rings atm because i see that's what most top outlaw's are running, but it sims as a dps loss over a circe's circlet, am i doing something wrong or is circe's really that strong for outlaw ?
glass mortar
im just gunna go out on a limb and say u probably have too much haste making a haste ring very bad
but let me dig a bit
shell hinge
okay, i can always recraft so anything helps ^^
glass mortar
yea ur simming no ghostly strike HO build which generally doesnt want much haste past 15% iirc
if u changed the talent setup to ghostly it would probably be a gain
ur also low ilvl simming the ring with 3 proc effects tho
the ring does not scale with ur ilvl as well as normal rings will
shell hinge
oh okay, so i should wait untill i'm higher ilvl to replace it ?
glass mortar
and whether its slow weapon or dagger
glass mortar
oh okay, so i should wait untill i'm higher ilvl to replace it ?
possibly, or sim the ring with crit or try it with haste with ghostly
itll probably be an upgrade in either of those scenarios but its not gunna be big regardless
if ur 660 i doubt a ring is ur next best craft so
ring ilvl tends to be pretty weak
hardy thicket
does outlaw not do the force windsinger stat sim shit
?
maybe otl doesnt even run windsinger iuno
glass mortar
i think we did before we dropped it
but tbh i couldnt tell u what a single gem does off its name so
idk what that one even is
i was running the all stats, highest stat, and blue damage proc one before i finally took mine off
hardy thicket
its the one where u can manipulate which stat it gives
and if u force which one u manipulated it'll give u better sim results
ig?
lol
mossy karma
So.. is Zee's Thug Hotline good for M+ or bait?
glass mortar
if ur running cudgel it clashes with cudgel so not good
idk about bait tho it does the damage it says
its not exactly impressive damage but it competes with our best trinkets
dense bolt
Guys go to 21:47 on dratnos latest yt vid he goes crazy on target cap
eternal yew
is killing spree during mugzee intermission troll or not?
mossy karma
so with cudgel im better off using something like wax whistle i guess
glass mortar
yea
mossy karma
alright! thanks
proven ocean
np
vernal coral
Guys does the Nightfall Curseblades Cudgel count as bug abuse and does it perform better than a Max crafted weapon in M+ ? (681)
stable furnace
is killing spree during mugzee intermission troll or not?
Prob
bright crane
Yeah for sure bug abuse they’re all getting banned
My dad works at Blizz he told me so
cinder relic
It's not a bug it's just how it works
stable furnace
Guys does the Nightfall Curseblades Cudgel count as bug abuse and does it perfo...
Read the pins
late swallow
My dad works at Blizz he told me so
holy shit real?
vernal coral
And does it perform better than a max crafted dagger offhand ?
gaunt phoenix
Yes on trash
stable furnace
And does it perform better than a max crafted dagger offhand ?
Literally pins got u covered
vernal coral
Literally pins got u covered
I read them my guy just wanted to be sure 🙂
stable furnace
Why would the pins not be right lmao.
vernal coral
It performs better than a mythic fully upgraded dagger
Daamn bro 
keen belfry
i did 3 keys in a row where i had a 5 buff 1 or 2 times total over a key
dude this is what happens to me man then iw atch zac roll 5 5 5 5 5 5
stable furnace
U do have to switch it in boss fights
vernal coral
Why would the pins not be right lmao.
Like i said just wanted to be sure
stable furnace
Because vanish does not reset it in boss fights. There is also a macro in pins for the same thing.
runic bough
Yeah and the stats on dagger is only like 500hp so
Ur just gaining stamina mostly
And ilvl but that doesn't help
Well
I guess agility too
But not a lot
If poison did more damage, maybe dagger would win
But poison is nerfed to 5 damage per proc
Just a upkeep buff
And we can't take imp poisons on outlaw cuz 10% of 5 dmg is only 1 more dmg.
late swallow
And we can't take imp poisons on outlaw cuz 10% of 5 dmg is only 1 more dmg.
it's actually .5
glass mortar
buffing poisons would increase the value of dagger in the OH
glass mortar
i dont think people want that
people r already angry when dagger is our bis oh
muh mog
runic bough
It was just another avenue for tuning idea
And I'm madge
I have a full upgraded mythic dagger that I can't use because a proc on a 658 item is better
glass mortar
u can use it in raid at least
latent oak
why does that make u mad, see it like, u have an 658 item that is even better than a mythic dagger
u are gaining, not losing
runic bough
I think I'm the only one that likes dagger mog
glass mortar
nah dagger mog is peak, outlaw should always be forced to have dagger oh
latent oak
ya if its a mog issue than fair enough
glass mortar
its more realistic and im all for realism
magic shuttle
double sword mog is bis
glass mortar
💅
magic shuttle
ideally they let your daggers tmog into one handers
latent oak
ya
glass mortar
my ideal outlaw would just use 1 1hander and offand would be to pull out a dagger for strikes or a gun for shots
latent oak
ngl think outlaw should just be able to use daggers
glass mortar
not enough mmos do the 1 1hander fantasy
runic bough
u can use it in raid at least
Nope capo is better
This season we have the most items that are good but lower our ilvl
magic shuttle
main hand dagger would greatly help with flexing across all 3 specs
latent oak
ya exactly
magic shuttle
combat rogue can main hand dagger in cata
glass mortar
its bad except the legendary
late swallow
wasn't that just with the legendary though
latent oak
and would make gearing outlaw less annoying competing with dh monk enh etc
magic shuttle
and this restriction was added in legion for very forced flavor of saber slash imo
glass mortar
but yes, mh didnt used to be restricted
late swallow
cus it buffed your SS by like 40%
glass mortar
because using a dager mh was just bad
because ur mh attacks did damage based off weapon damage per hit, not normalized
so SS would do significantly less damage
thats why the legendary has a mod to increase SS damage by 45%
runic bough
Outlaw would make sense to dual dagger, poisons still make sense and we could get an expose armor like sub.
latent oak
lmao
magic shuttle
they would need to adjust dagger scaling so it can compete with one handed weapon in mainhand
latent oak
u dont want expose armour
runic bough
Why not
hardy thicket
i mean or the could just normalize it so that a dagger OH was the same as a 1 h OH
lol
glass mortar
we had armor pen for half of DF
it was significantly more valuable for us then sub too which was funny
but its not like it changes anything
its just flavor
magic shuttle
but rn it feels like if you invest early crests into one handed weapon it's hard to swap to double dagger since you want crests to upgrade other gear
latent oak
unless ryu meant expose weakness
glass mortar
daggers share the cost reduction from ur other weapons tho
latent oak
which is annoying
runic bough
Either one
glass mortar
not sure what u mean
if u have two 678 slow weapons its free (just valorstones) to upgrade daggers
magic shuttle
not entirely
glass mortar
wdym not entirely
flat needle
can get .5 more i think
Yeah it’s theoretically possible but I’m not sure if I will be that lucky in my vaults
latent oak
wdym not entirely
investing crafts into weapons
glass mortar
oh crafting sure
hardy thicket
its not that tedious tho you get 1h crafted dagger OH and then you can just free upgrade another dagger for upgrade after that
runic bough
I replaced my MH craft with the vexie fist last night using dinars
Its got haste and high vers not bad
vivid vessel
Yeah it’s theoretically possible but I’m not sure if I will be that lucky in my ...
well
itso nly back tbf
the wrists are from raid
latent oak
I replaced my MH craft with the vexie fist last night using dinars
u mean caulron one? its got cool mog aswell
v nice weapon
runic bough
Maybe different boss but one of the first 3
latent oak
yaya i get u
hidden bay
im .25 and i could get upgrades with a wrist and back
hoc still your best?
sonic fossil
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
Pre-key fuckery
RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.- DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not
AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points. - After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
- Before entering the first pack
BF into 
Stealth. - Open on pack with AR into
BtE.
latent oak
its a shark eating a bomb
hidden bay
surely signet better than hoc
runic bough
My guild has first 3 mythic on farm now and they can't figure out Stix balls hmm donno
magic shuttle
they keep giving one handed agi users fist weapon or mace mogs
while the cool looking swords go to str int users
glass mortar
i think for kir signet and HoC r probably neck and neck
altho i also dont know how dslice treats HoCs stacking effect
does it reset the increasing minimum?
between the "pulls"
or does it just stack up forever like PW sims which is not what it will do in dungeons
runic bough
while the cool looking swords go to str int users
True
Same last season
Black sword was casters
magic shuttle
yeah I had to ask a healer to give sword for tmog
glass mortar
thankfully u can mog to whatever swords so
just gotta play a caster or get traded the item for mog
^
latent oak
do spell casters in dnd use swords/daggers
glass mortar
daggers yes
latent oak
like why do they even use those weapons in wow
glass mortar
swords almost never unless ur some multiclass or psuedo caster
like bladesinger is a subclass of wizard that focuses on meleeing so it uses swords
magic shuttle
this tier they gave a cosmetic token through renown so I could get the one handed sword from vendor
runic bough
Anyone know the enchant spell from Diablo sorceress?
latent oak
ya
vivid vessel
hoc still your best?
i have these aswell
runic bough
Its really cool that Zac talks to us
We can get info on what the bis gears feel like
Not just like other streamers who don't talk
glass mortar
timer wise?
my understanding was HoCs thing resets everytime u leave combat
maybe im wrong tho
thats what it reads like
red zinc
my understanding was HoCs thing resets everytime u leave combat
Not exactly
Timer is quite long, you’ll usually maintain stacks in a proper key unless theres rp
glass mortar
wtf so the tooltip is just lying
how long do the stacks last
i mean it only stacks 3 times i guess
ornate heathBOT
Common errors for Outlaw -> see this answer in the FAQ.
sand jackal
is there a weakaura/addon to mention damage taken from killing spree in chat?
glass mortar
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
glass mortar
the bottom one
sand jackal
cheers!
bright crane
Broooo where’s the ol write up
cinder relic
Outlaw would make sense to dual dagger, poisons still make sense and we could ge...
Outlaw used to have find weakness
It was annoying
Idk why u would want it back'
Its just a damage increase, except its annoying
hidden bay
someone share me weapon swap wa and macro pls
crimson coral
!prepull
wicked kestrel
!neverpullout
runic bough
Idk why u would want it back'
Well we were discussing outlaw dualing daggers.
Outlaw double daggers would go with the spec currently too since ps amd bte are the main dmg already
We would have more auto attacks woth double daggers but would need something like armor pen or weakness buff
white marten
Double dag outlaw would be sick ngl
But then i wouldnt be able to use katanas
Soooo
runic bough
Well
There's also the feature where we could mog swords if we wanted like before or not.
hybrid crown
Lol
runic bough
It was a recent nerf they made it where we can only mog what we have equipped
hybrid crown
Idk were we able to do that in the past?? Maybe that was /is just for the legion artifacts
craggy barn
it was always just artifacts
latent oak
We would have more auto attacks woth double daggers but would need something lik...
we would have more auto attacks, but they would do less damage
runic bough
latent oak
dps is normalised
runic bough
Really?
runic bough
we would have more auto attacks, but they would do less damage
Which is where my ideas for increased poisons or expose/weakness came into play
latent oak
no, i mean each auto attack would do less damage
so it balances out
since u auto more
runic bough
Oh ye
hybrid crown
Someone do a top gear with a sword and dagger in both mh and oh
craggy barn
give us back expose armor
white marten
Outlaw deserves a good ol mutilatin’
craggy barn
pepw
white marten
Give us garrote
latent oak
idk why u would want things in OL kit that are just damage increases without any gameplay to them tho
white marten
Bro can you imagine outlaw a DoT spec? That would be sooooo sick
runic bough
I would love dual dagger outlaw and more auto attacks. Makes us have more poison procs.
Auto attacks themselves are pretty weak so increased poison procs be nice
latent oak
but it wouldnt be nice
white marten
BtE applies a gunshot wound to your target that spreads with each consecutive shot.
latent oak
we would just be balanced around it, so poisons are a higher % on details
with everything else lower
craggy barn
replace slice and dice with expose armor pepw
runic bough
BtE applies a gunshot wound to your target that spreads with each consecutive sh...
That would be cool but also interesting to try and bte each target lol
quiet oriole
so do i buy with my dinars mythic pacemaker or hero capo as someone who raids hero and does m+ 14/15?
white marten
That would be cool but also interesting to try and bte each target lol
That would be cursed ngl lmfao
hybrid crown
dual dagger outlaw is not a cook:
very very bad
white marten
Yesssss
quiet oriole
How exactly does Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel work? Do i need to tab every enemy in a pull? Does it reset with every vanish? Also with meld?
white marten
Unless bte turned into a buckshot and bleed aoe
Were fkin onto something here
hybrid crown
man daggers are so lame
latent oak
How exactly does Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel work? Do i need to tab every enem...
bladeflurry passively procs it
hybrid crown
fuck daggers
latent oak
so u dont need to tab
craggy barn
dual dagger outlaw is not a cook:
very very bad
well it cant use sinister strike with mh dagger
quiet oriole
bladeflurry passively procs it
on all target or only the 8 its hits? does bladeflurry choose new target for each hit?
craggy barn
unless u found a simc work around
hybrid crown
oh lol
white marten
Daggers in WoW are literally the size of swords, so its should cross mog
craggy barn
lol
latent oak
on all target or only the 8 its hits? does bladeflurry choose new target for eac...
on the 8 targets
craggy barn
u LITERALLY cant use sinister strike
latent oak
but if u move around
latent oak
it will hit all of the mobs eventually
bf chooses the 7 closest mobs to u im pretty sure
quiet oriole
Ok, so i dont tab i walk around the pull. And then it resets with each vanish, does this also count for meld?
craggy barn
u naturally wil hit every target during KS
meld should count
any combat drop
dying counts
latent oak
huge
quiet oriole
then good job me, for dying three times in cinderbrew end boss 🥳
latent oak
u can weapon swap in m+ still if u were unaware
so u can swap to normal weapon on bosses
craggy barn
even mid boss fight
quiet oriole
i was unaware of this 😄
latent oak
there is a macro in the pins for it
quiet oriole
On a serious note, how do i not die in KS in the last boss of meadery
craggy barn
time it correctly
white marten
Wtb uncapped Outlaw
craggy barn
or just send it and have a wa that /says how much damage per tick ur taking
so ur healer knows
one of my healers LOVES that weak aura
quiet oriole
thats pretty hard with randoms i gues
white marten
one of my healers LOVES that weak aura
Which one is this?
craggy barn
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
craggy barn
last one
white marten
Nice
quiet oriole
Any tips for how to better land after KS to not stand in something that wasnt there when you started?
craggy barn
its under fun, but its actually useful utility LOL
craggy barn
Any tips for how to better land after KS to not stand in something that wasnt th...
big brain it
latent oak
u always land where u started
craggy barn
yea
true fiber
Can someone help me analyze these two logs?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aXRN8wcpZnCH6Y2L?fight=45&type=damage-done&source=64
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gQjx6nkryYaKNBpc?fight=34&type=damage-done&source=26
How is his avg hit so much higher than mine?
Ignore the killing spree damage.. I was trash and kept getting stunned with it so I removed it.
latent oak
so u gotta know whats gunna be there whne ur ks ends
white marten
Anyone have the WA that tells you the number of targets within BF range?
red zinc
Can someone help me analyze these two logs?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/repor...
excuse me what
you removed killing spree
while playing trickster?
white marten
Big no no
quiet oriole
so u gotta know whats gunna be there whne ur ks ends
how many seconds does a full KS go?
true fiber
Doesn't really help me if I keep getting stunned now does it? 😉
white marten
Can someone help me analyze these two logs?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/repor...
I think i found your problem ma’am.
latent oak
Can someone help me analyze these two logs?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/repor...
not pressing ks means less cdr means less buff uptime etc
red zinc
thats baffling
white marten
Play fate bound
white marten
U can always do a low CB KS btw and still benefit from FF
Which is probably the play on some m+ bosses
latent oak
on most bosses u can ks freely really
vague cape
do we just
true fiber
Not on that piece of shit.. It keps jumping into balls
vague cape
not press ks during mines?
quiet oriole
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iRftbDCFrJPF5VeGTdVqsz
Im not quite sure whats the best thing is to buy for me with my tokens now, but i think it should be mythic pacemaker?
white marten
Mechagon 1st boss, best boss to ks on CD
jolly geyser
white marten
Bro got everyone sent up 💀
latent oak
Mechagon 1st boss, best boss to ks on CD
if ur in range of mines while in ks, just pre evasion and mkae sure to press it on the car
white marten
Would of been even funnier if he popped evasion
latent oak
and u can never die
main gate
also means way less ff stacks
What are FF stacks?
white marten
if ur in range of mines while in ks, just pre evasion and mkae sure to press it ...
Word?! Great to know
quiet oriole
What are FF stacks?
flawless form i gues
white marten
What are FF stacks?
Flawless form
latent oak
white marten
civic zephyr
im .25 and i could get upgrades with a wrist and back
magn trink good ?
craggy barn
Mechagon 1st boss, best boss to ks on CD
swamp boss is funny to ks sometimes too
esp if u get linked to some ranged idiot who isnt stacking close
last boss mechagon is also funny
main gate
@white marten @quiet oriole Thank you for clarifying 🙏
white marten
get the laser, ks into middle then back
Yup, thats the best one
If KS didnt stun you during rookery 1st boss in the lighting intermission phase, it would be sick. Be in mid air for 2 secs and then go back to the platform
craggy barn
xav pvp is fun to ks in
non pvp folks dont realize they can stun u
lol
ksing first boss top when u get the anti stack circle
or ksing during lich
or ksing during last boss with the add circle
ornate heathBOT
Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.
tulip quarry
!reset
craggy barn
what are u looking for
white marten
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
vivid vessel
alert