#outlaw
lime lake
haughty wigeon
Better than doing nyalotha for a year
wintry solar
is there an addon to tell me what im in combat with?
fathom bramble
I had more fun doing nyalotha for a year
haughty wigeon
But df?
stiff hawk
Well yeah Fated was kind of fun
vivid vessel
I guess we don't play enough
Pay *
haughty wigeon
Nah that shit had no excuse being a 3 raid expansion
lime lake
fated wasnt bad
wintry solar
loved fated
fathom bramble
deep corruption nyalotha was better than fated
lime lake
doing the same thing but even worse in df was terrible though
stiff hawk
it was new Dungeons and Raids had affixes which made it more entertaining
lime lake
like
wintry solar
any slimey cat havers?
stiff hawk
But Awakened
lime lake
that was just dumb
haughty wigeon
deep corruption nyalotha was better than fated
I mean that’s cause corruption was fucking fun
stiff hawk
Literally microwaved DF Seasons
vapid sundial
any slimey cat havers?
I did both awakened and fated
civic void
Nah that shit had no excuse being a 3 raid expansion
And the fact that 4th season had even less work put in than fated was downright insulting
vapid sundial
fated was passable bc it had new mechs
stiff hawk
cramped into one miserable season
vapid sundial
but thats only passable
fathom bramble
I mean that’s cause corruption was fucking fun
yeah and instead of something like corruption we got raids with shitty new mechanics that interacted poorly with the encounter
haughty wigeon
And sl was released during covid
fathom bramble
if fated had good additions it could have been a lot more fun
haughty wigeon
So fated just ended up being a cool solution for everything that went wrong with it
wintry solar
we rocking Tdev right?
vapid sundial
yeah and instead of something like corruption we got raids with shitty new mecha...
Getting movement speed on anduin was so funny
haughty wigeon
if fated had good additions it could have been a lot more fun
Ya I guess
fathom bramble
we rocking Tdev right?
at least until it fires during KS in a functionally random direction and pulls extra mobs
wintry solar
at least until it fires during KS in a functionally random direction and pulls e...
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fathom bramble
there are definitely more than that
vale warren
I'd complain cause I wouldn't have an excuse for inting mechanics anymore
fathom bramble
but like the usual KS defense is that it looks cool
and blizzard can surely make a replacement spell that looks cool
haughty wigeon
Unless they make ks not lock you out of kicks and not teleport u
vapid sundial
there are definitely more than that
My point is it's a very small majority who would be annoyed if it got removed
vale warren
It's kinda unreal that you can't even press defensives during ks
fathom bramble
or cancel it anymore...
haughty wigeon
Especially cause it’s one of outlaws only visuals
wintry solar
5 people would complain
the 5 right people
vale warren
Like if I know I fucked up I should at least be able to cloak before it's finished
vivid vessel
or cancel it anymore...
this is the craziest part
fathom bramble
well if the stagger wasn't bugged then you would often be fine cloaking after lol
haughty wigeon
Bladestorm allows u to do things
vivid vessel
imagine they removed that
vapid sundial
Just make KS auto consume cloak if you're going to die!
haughty wigeon
Why can’t killing spree
vapid sundial
🙂
fathom bramble
idk if it was even on purpose
KS has gotten so many adjustments over the years I can't even tell you when it happened
vivid vessel
KS has gotten so many adjustments over the years I can't even tell you when it h...
It happened when they gave ks 80% dr
Or was it 90
Well the dr thing
vale warren
65?
fathom bramble
50?
vale warren
And then they nerfed it to like 35
vivid vessel
Well they also changed it to be a finisher at that moment
fathom bramble
yeah that makes sense
fathom bramble
it was 80% on the ptr
gaunt phoenix
it was 65
gaunt phoenix
vale warren
I'm pretty sure it was 65 and then it got nerfed before they made it a stagger
stiff hawk
lime lake
it was 58
haughty wigeon
Ty solo
stiff hawk
Could be any number between 0 and 100
haughty wigeon
Cause no one can remember
haughty wigeon
Ks was shit to
wintry solar
was 110
fathom bramble
it was 65% on live and later nerfed to 35% @vivid vessel
haughty wigeon
I member
fathom bramble
I'm like 80% sure it was 80% on the ptr at one point
wintry solar
cant wait for housing
haughty wigeon
Ya cause having a huge dr on a short cd wasn’t a very good solution blizzard
vapid sundial
cant wait for housing
Gooning with the m+ team
wintry solar
real
vale warren
it was 65% on live and later nerfed to 35% <@352916297262301194>
Owned
leaden folio
I remember using KS on cd at woltk because I love the design
stiff hawk
I'm like 80% sure it was 80% on the ptr at one point
Maybe in Patch notes
That never made it to the game
gaunt phoenix
i couldnt find it either
wintry solar
w
vivid vessel
oh
i cant read
its above
right
They nerfed it
That's wild
Are they stupid
fathom bramble
time to send it all the way back
mighty pivot
at least original KS didn't tp you to a new location on each attack
leaden folio
KS was just a cd, that get reduce by finisher
wintry solar
old KS put you in the wall and killed you
fathom bramble
without/before the glyph yeah
falling through the world in caves was a regular occurrence
wintry solar
I still dont have a pistol glyph
wintry solar
amazing
haughty wigeon
But on outlaw
wintry solar
surely theres an addon that changes cursors
mighty pivot
imagine if pistol glyphs were actually noticeable
wintry solar
are they not?
onyx spear
Is there a way to Change the ks Camera flip to Not do that? One key and I feel dizzy by This Shit
red zinc
no
onyx spear
Unlucky
leaden folio
Imagine we can do that
best game are game that change your cursor
lime lake
Real
If a game doesn’t change your cursor I immediately assume the quality will be lower in general
leaden folio
and I remember trying change my cursor on windows 98 with the cursor of human warcraft 3
never happen
but I tried
urban epoch
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Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
frigid shale
is there a weakaura for just popping up when coupe the grace is "rdy" im using the atrocityui but i doesnt show it good or more like for me aint good enough
wintry solar
can I skip Kael'thas in castle nathria?
wintry solar
cool ty
lime lake
kt in sanctum is now also significantly easier to solo
they put arfus there so he doesnt reset when you go down
blissful idol
is there a weakaura for just popping up when coupe the grace is "rdy" im using t...
zacs wa has it
when its ready to be popped
fallen knot
zac did you ping me
wintry solar
forgot how cool remornia looked
mighty pivot
swordussy
fallen knot
yes ping me
vale warren
Is there a way to Change the ks Camera flip to Not do that? One key and I feel d...
Close your eyes
olive flax
Can outlaw jump gaol walls with hook on mythic mugz?
latent belfry
ks gives you just enough time to talk shit in a key with out losing up time!
the bright side ks
crisp condor
KS with 7 combo points and supercharger feels like you can write a novel while you watch the swirlie you're about to hit spawn in
fallen knot
yea 3s ks is criminal
it's like using old griefing torch but instead of rooting you in place you also blink around and grief other players
wintry solar
whats the drop rate of the hunter lego in sanctum
anyone know?
I wanna know before I farm it
urban epoch
Hey guys, which weakaura displays player's health with a "+" or "-" above my character ?
I saw it being used in a couple vids/streams but can't find it
fallen knot
you can probably do it by asking chat gpt
no joke
it takes coord(0,0) and puts a green + sign there
civic void
Can outlaw jump gaol walls with hook on mythic mugz?
Yes
But you need to do it like right before it appears, idk about the exact timing
olive flax
Ok ty
civic void
I believe the idea is that your grappling needs to be in the air while the walls appear pretty much
mighty pivot
10 cp KS is "only" 3s because it's hasted, the fact that it's 4s base duration is double criminal
opal raven
But you need to do it like right before it appears, idk about the exact timing
anyone got a clip maybe ?
wintry solar
my macros keep deleting themselves
when I make the macro again, it comes back on the bind it was on before it got deleted
jovial socket
wintry solar
:((((
vivid vessel
anyone got a clip maybe ?
It's the same shit as grip etc
Grapple when timer on goals is about 0.1s
As late as possible
fallen knot
when is the belt coming out?
fallen knot
that's actually hilarious
wintry solar
3 weeks after 11.1.7 launches
fallen knot
so in a while
wintry solar
yeah
fallen knot
so i craft belt on my shaman
red zinc
3 weeks after 11.1.7 launches
why would it be 3 weeks after
fallen knot
but like
crisp condor
The sense of pride and accomplishment increases each week
fallen knot
when is 11.1.7 coming out
wintry solar
we dont know
red zinc
to keep us playing
no but like
what are you basing that off
Didnt see any info on ptr
urban epoch
it takes coord(0,0) and puts a green + sign there
I think the "+" and "-" changes as you heal/degen.
IIRC i saw this WA during @vivid vessel 's stream yesterday
also the health bar displayed heal+shields
fallen knot
ask zac and i'm pretty sure taht
if you ask chatgpt exactly how you want your weakaura to be, it makes it
and
how many sparks do you have? i'm pretty sure i'm behind, i have 6 and a half rn
polar kelp
my macros keep deleting themselves
If you make a macro and then just close the game while it's running or don't "log out" they don't save sometimes...happens to me too. I usually make the macro, type /reloadui. And then also 'log out" then back in
wintry solar
what are you basing that off
I made it up
I see
so it'd get deleted if I get DC'd
polar kelp
Yep
polar kelp
It's not time based, it's just how you close the game after the creation
wintry solar
oh thats weird
polar kelp
Yep, been like that for a few X-Pac now
polar kelp
Mmmmmm
ivory pilot
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Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
wicked kestrel
It's not time based, it's just how you close the game after the creation
So many good lost weak auras because I just either shut down my pc or exited the game… lol
strong cargo
so it'd get deleted if I get DC'd
Basically just /rl whenever you create/change any macro/weakaura/addon settings and it will be saved
stuck timber
can we stack eye of kezan in m+? is it any good?
fallen knot
you might need to degen ninjapull to keep stacks if tank is slow
strong cargo
It's good in some dungeons (where no rp or breaks), and your tank has to be chainpulling so it might be bad in pugs imo
stuck timber
thanks
stuck timber
you might need to degen ninjapull to keep stacks if tank is slow
lol yesterday I was doing floodgate and we skipped the thrash before the boss with lock gate and I start attacking the last thrash thinking tricks of trade will work but they destroyed me
covert kestrel
anyone know how when you level an alt to 80, you can go accept a bunch of renown reward quests from the different factions for early crests/valorstones?
does anyone know who that person is for the assembly of the deeps
fallen knot
yes perma cast evasion if you do it
fallen knot
does anyone know who that person is for the assembly of the deeps
it's either in dornogal next to khazalgar quartermaster
covert kestrel
it's either in dornogal next to khazalgar quartermaster
ohhh right thats why theres two dudes there
fallen knot
yea
the other one is too hard to explain
just use that guy
and you just made remember to get those rewards on my rogue
proven ocean
@fallen knot u there
strong cargo
lol yesterday I was doing floodgate and we skipped the thrash before the boss wi...
Yeah i think it's the same bug dh has with sigil. Tricks threat won't be applied for the first damage a mob receives IF it's not already in combat. So either don't pull, pull with range abilities or press evasion before pulling 😄
stuck timber
good to know lol
I just saw a kir player casts killing spree with 2 combo points while fighting a boss, is it just for fazed/flawless form right? or should he wait for +5 cp
stiff hawk
Its also sometimes safer to use a low CP one
steep orbit
If u take 1 corruption then u can get others?
fallen knot
you can buy any, but can only put 1 at a time and it gets consumed
you can also send on alts
quick quail
would you consider buying cards for m+ now or waiting for a mugzee kill as we progress to buy the capo's fist? Might take another week to kill to us. Currently starting on pushing +15-16s
Now having Mythic spare keys + Pacemaker, HC capo's for bosses and the cudgel for aoe.
Both are simming close to me.
fallen knot
next buy is in 2 weeks, and mugzee kill might mean you get cudgel
think about power now to push vs power in 1 week
red zinc
@vivid vessel did you see that theyre removing omnicd functionality in like 11.2.5/7
Removing other player cd track capabilities from addons
gaunt phoenix
red zinc
in the later patches of midnight but not 11.1.7 or 11.2 yet (whatever that means)
Will they make cooldown manager work for your allies before then
Is the real question
Im taking the under 
From pcgamer interview
Sounds like theyre not adding it to basegame functionality at all either jesus 
stiff hawk
They try to get rid of Addons
but make halfassed temu copies of addons
in heir own ui
wintry solar
Removing other player cd track capabilities from addons
oof rip PvP lol
red zinc
this is going to be a disaster to go after first for them
dont really get it
people will just make wa's that send signals about cd usage through chat
and bypass it
going to snowball into weakaura ban, dbm ban? like idk
shell fossil
i mean being able to wave around 3.4k rating vs 3.3k rating at the start of the next season is kind of a good vibe
maybe theyre cooking
normal forge
for this is great news tbh
red zinc
for this is great news tbh
i mean for outlaw specifically sure
but lizzards replacement for interrupt casters is usually targeted shot oneshot machines
normal forge
for anyone i think
red zinc
it wont be fun
lime lake
red zinc
healers have no fucking clue if people can press defensives otherwise
stiff hawk
Like as tank in M+
red zinc
tanks dont know if they can pull packs if you cant track cds
stiff hawk
Healers to know if someone is dry
shell fossil
idk halo for example had telegraphing with voice lines when grenades were being thrown...it's not like they can't improve the loss of some addons with better event design.....
red zinc
all this does is put agency on players to spam communicate shit on discord
stupid as hell
normal forge
exactly, u need that today because the game makes it a way that u need it, but now they wont need anymore
red zinc
you'll need it all the same lmao
lime lake
lmao yeah sure
blizzard definitely will suddenly fix a decade of design decisions that have led us here
red zinc
the only way they would make it so you wouldnt need it was if they removed all damage cooldowns and defensives
and that sure sounds like a great idea
lime lake
incredibly based tbh
civic zephyr
healers have no fucking clue if people can press defensives otherwise
the beauty of trusting pugs
red zinc
look
red zinc
theres a lot of things they can remove from the game
civic zephyr
red zinc
but this just doesnt feel like one of them
itd be different if they wanted to limit it and made a tracker in basegame that only worked in pve or something
lime lake
its not even about trust, its literally just being able to correctly allocate your resources to deal with mechanics
red zinc
but that does not seem to be the plan
lime lake
blizzard is not going to change the need to do that
they're just changing our ability to actually do it
with no solution
normal forge
i would start by removing a lot of button bloat from the game, and create specific talent tree , an extra one, for pvp, with those extra btns if u want to use them on pvp, but for pve, nah, make it simplier
civic zephyr
its not even about trust, its literally just being able to correctly allocate yo...
the beauty of warcraft
comes out
when you're forced
to socialize
red zinc
civic zephyr
with other players
red zinc
lime lake
brother this has nothing to do with socializing
civic zephyr
lime lake
organized groups in vc use this shit
civic zephyr
brother this has nothing to do with socializing
just cause you need to sit in a vc to tell everyone
what defensives you have
shell fossil
pi tracker
shell fossil
outlaw issue
lime lake
did you actually think about that for more than 2 seconds before you said it
shell fossil
civic zephyr
outlaw issue
man fuck do i care just spam everything on me while i stand in the circles
on purpose
shell fossil
but yeah rip like intervene
onyx spear
Quick question for the Mega Magnet trinket do I just use it on cd regardless of stacks?
lime lake
just dont let it cap
civic zephyr
did you actually think about that for more than 2 seconds before you said it
never think just words just be flowing out my asshole
shell fossil
it makes sense just hope they dont go too extraction shooter realism levels of realism
civic zephyr
wait a minute this is a little too far
red zinc
theres so many more pressing issues in this game preventing new players from enjoying it
why is this what you go after
50% of them arent even getting to max level
red zinc
dumb down something that people dont get to because the new player experience sucks cheeks
shell fossil
being able to ping which abilities you need as a tank would be cool but that's also grief af for like vdh keeping up fel spikes or whatever
normal forge
i also belive that this is a focus on making the game more friendly for newcomers
civic zephyr
i also belive that this is a focus on making the game more friendly for newcomer...
i mean ya less interrupts
during a pack pull
civic zephyr
means less buttons for a new comer
red zinc
anytime anyone i know gets into wow nowadays
civic zephyr
red zinc
i have to babysit them through it
or someone else
because its just incredibly unclear what you're supposed to do
glass mortar
isnt that kinda the goal of changes like this
to reduce the skill ceiling of the game
i think the issue is blizzard just fails to do the second half of this quite often
aka the "need to know everyones interupts less because less mobs with important interupts"
lime lake
depends on what other changes they do
glass mortar
theyll kneecap ur ability to track
red zinc
could retain a lot more players by fixing the mess that is 10-70 leveling and half expansion rejoiners
glass mortar
then still make 500 caster mobs
normal forge
wow is so unclear on how to play that we need sims to run talent trees , like, what is the fun of it?
lime lake
if they just take away tools without solving the issues those tools existed to solve
civic zephyr
anytime anyone i know gets into wow nowadays
i haven't been playing wow like forever i deadass started like 2-3 years ago whenever bungie decide to self sabotage
but i did find it fun learning the game
lime lake
then it makes it worse for newcomers not better
civic zephyr
that was the best part for me
glass mortar
if they just take away tools without solving the issues those tools existed to s...
ye basically
but the stated goal is to do both
so if they did do both, it would reduce the skill ceiling of the game abit
lime lake
ye like i said we'll have to see what other changes they make
glass mortar
idk if thats good, i dont personally think it is but maybe not as bad as it sounds
lime lake
but my initial thoughts are not optimistic
honestly if it makes interrupts less cancer im down anyway
glass mortar
yea i mean they failed on this bit pretty hard when they went back on ccs hard interupting abilities
they promised us we would need less stops which is why stops got nerfed
we do not need less stops
lime lake
glass mortar
shell fossil
(like..i gues if you ping before the pull starts thats kinda money) but again why this particular change now mid expansion*
red zinc
i mean weran
we both know what "less interrupts" means
more shitty sharpshooter archer mobs
glass mortar
wait this is a mid season change?
red zinc
no
glass mortar
i assumed this is like a next expac shit
shell fossil
no it's in the pcgamer article up above
glass mortar
more shitty sharpshooter archer mobs
i mean thats fine
healing packs gets very very boring quite often on the high end
its all stops or 1 shots
normal forge
the game should be about reacting what u see and hear on the screen, not tracking weak auras, imo
glass mortar
what should happen is certain mobs damage should just be % hp damage or something
that barely scales with key difficulty
idk its a weird thing
lime lake
actually thats a good point
glass mortar
the problem with an infinite slider difficulty system is eventually, with current game design, you are going to reach a point where the archers 1 shot u yes
even if that wasnt the goal
lime lake
i wonder why they dont do more stuff like that
glass mortar
and even if those mobs are more engaging then a mob u need a perfect interupt chain on
for 99% of the playerbase
red zinc
affixes were the original way to make higher keys harder without just relying on the scaling
but everyone hates those so
not much else for them to do
glass mortar
other then just accepting eventually you'll hit a cutoff where u cant progress higher due to archers 1 shotting ur party or completely revamping how damage scales in m+ yea
red zinc
I mean honestly I wasn't the biggest hater of affixes
glass mortar
idk its not an easy issue to solve imo, and some of blizzards implied solutions would be good for a large portion of the playerbase
red zinc
I just hated the rotation of them
glass mortar
and just bad for the very topend
but they also usually fail to fully implement their solutions so
civic zephyr
affixes were the original way to make higher keys harder without just relying on...
i think the issue is they're trying to provide a experience for everyone
glass mortar
i wont hold my breath
red zinc
I wonder if theres a way for them to implement affixes without creating push weeks
civic zephyr
instead of splitting things up into group for different people
so mythic can be more for people who want difficult content
delves for the solo that's want some difficulty and fun but not like mythic
shell fossil
some high key players were talking about stopping some mobs from charging on everbloom cause its a kill basically if they didnt frame perfect stop which is fine but they also would wait for an hour+ to get a group
civic zephyr
they gotta stop trying to provide for everyone and start trying to provide for certain groups
in different gamemode
shell fossil
at that point they beat the game quote unquote imo
glass mortar
yea i mean something is always gunna be a hardstop in keys right
its an infinite scaling system in a finite power season
its just 99% of the time its that stuff starts 1 shotting u even if u dont messup
and people dont enjoy that
but idk, my feel is ur always gunna hit some kinda ceiling does it really matter what kind it is
quiet oriole
hero Capo or Nightfalls Cudgel?
glass mortar
cudgel oh is bis in dungeon trash aoe
u swap it to capo for bosses
and just wear capo in raid
civic zephyr
cudgel oh is bis in dungeon trash aoe
real
dry comet
How often do you rogue gamers switch specs in a raid tier for different bosses?
civic zephyr
cudgel oh is bis in dungeon trash aoe
would so would a magical thumb be better of the cudgel ?
glass mortar
wat
shell fossil
check relative dps with a sim on patchwerk and dungeon slice
glass mortar
How often do you rogue gamers switch specs in a raid tier for different bosses?
depends how hardcore you are
and on the season
but fairly often on the highest end
shell fossil
it's probably less than 2% difference
stiff hawk
How often do you rogue gamers switch specs in a raid tier for different bosses?
Depends on bosses and how big the margin is
civic zephyr
in mythic
glass mortar
gal thumb u would not wear at all in dungeons
its awful
no aoe value and u cant weapon swap it
dry comet
Cool, ty
shell fossil
i killing spreed at the wrong time yesterday on mythic reverb guy and stunned myself but also defused stonks barrels with my 6 parse
late swallow
no aoe value and u cant weapon swap it
you can't wep swap it? wdym?
shell fossil
i was alive at the end but yeah u_u
lime lake
he means you cant weapon swap it
balmy topaz
Depends on bosses and how big the margin is
The right answer is never
civic zephyr
gal thumb u would not wear at all in dungeons
so the cudgel is considered bis for aoe cause i'm running capo main hand and a dagger off hand with ele focus
stiff hawk
The right answer is never
I mostly switch between sub and sin
glass mortar
for dungeon trassh cudgel is bis yes
balmy topaz
I'm not playing this tier 
late swallow
he means you cant weapon swap it
yeah but why is it flagged -- you can swap other shit
shell fossil
caayntrip
glass mortar
probably because there is a possible benifit to swapping it while still abusing its effect
civic zephyr
for dungeon trassh cudgel is bis yes
i'd js have to swap capo over to main hand on bosses thank you for this information
civic zephyr
glass mortar
its dot is permanent so u could stack it up on a raid boss then swap to a better weapon
they dont like abusing cantrip weapons that way
glass mortar
its not because its a cantrip
its because it has a unique abuse case
like fyrakk weapons
late swallow
okay fine bro!!!!
glass mortar
the real answer is because blizzard hates fun but
guy isnt here so i will defend them
!
late swallow
did Guy defend the breast milk fiasco
wintry solar
blizzard knows best
vale warren
They didn't want bears using gavel
wintry solar
thats why blizzard starts with a B
glass mortar
i mean its consistent with why they broke weaponswap for fyrakk weapons too i just dont know if its necessary to do at all so
w/e
vale warren
It made sense for stuff like gavel and jormungandr
late swallow
the more blizz stock Guy buys, the more egregious stuff he'll defend
glass mortar
this weapon is much less abusable then fyrakk weapons were. gallies stuff is pretty pissweak
wintry solar
has anyone done the math as to how many momentos it'd take to buy everything?
glass mortar
the more blizz stock Guy buys, the more egregious stuff he'll defend
wait
late swallow
Ryukage will uncover the Guy-Blizz collusion
wintry solar
we pay for Guy's yacht!
glass mortar
gold rims on his blizzard yacht
late swallow
guy will start sending poolside pics from the amalfi coast
"blizz is actually the good guys here"
shell fossil
speaking of boats greyhound with tom hanks is p cool and proly what class design feels like
vivid vessel
waht
why
also thats not possible??
there is events of every spell pressed
so if i see boomie press convoke
i start a timer
they cant remove that lol
leaden folio
yo ho is pretty good https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4dzNzdENvpCmeqo4sRctB7
violet ferry
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bright crane
ok this tho
Are they saying they want to make DR more visible or reduce DR efficacy (i.e how fast DR accumulates)?
vivid vessel
both i think
bright crane
Having some kinda indicator would be nice yeah
glass mortar
gunna be honest, i dont know a clean way they can even implement such a thing in baseline UI
i guess maybe stacks of a unique buff per CC type?
the problem is theres like 3 or 4 different types of DRs to even track
and they are all on seperate timers of course
having a universal stun one would be a big step
since thats the most effective/common stop
valid kindle
if they at least show dr for stun it's a big improvement
it's the one you're bound to be affected by in practically any dungeon group
shell fossil
that addon that shows a timeline of abilities used is probably a good answer
but you know all blizzard and chromed and stuff
timeline for the mob ur targeting etc timeline for tank/healer
violet ferry
It would be nice to have all mechanics be more obvious, but that design philosophy needs to be expanded to the game as a whole. People use addons to make the game easier to understand and easier / faster to react to. One of the root causes is ability bloat - both for NPCs and characters.
If Blizzard wants to kill Weak Auras, they need to understand that people have been taking the easiest route to playing the game, which meant reducing the game’s unneeded complexity by use of an addon that screams at the player when they’re doing something wrong
vivid vessel
the problem is theres like 3 or 4 different types of DRs to even track
i have said it for a while now, but st cc should not dr imo
not in pve
would make it much easier to uderstand in m+
glass mortar
yea i mean i think
id probably do it like, aoe and ST CC have unique DRs, all CC drs with any form of CC, all that matters is aoe vs ST in pve
but ud need to redesign dungeon mobs probably across the board
to make that work
lime lake
they have to redesign dungeon mobs across the board to make their other changes work anyway
might as well throw that in
vivid vessel
but ud need to redesign dungeon mobs probably across the board
Luckily we get new dungeons every seasons
So
They can experiment
proven ocean
zac do i get burrito or sandwich for lunch
U can get my burrito if u want
proven ocean
🤤
jovial socket
shell fossil
shell fossil
we had a 13 rook lose cause mage pressed time warp a second before sated wore off
red zinc
i looked at the log
lime lake
i mean fair enough
red zinc
mage used all his cd windows when shield was up
lime lake
as long as it isnt for personal preference
red zinc
nah, my friend has like 3% eyesight but makes good addon profiles still
im usually just too lazy to change
lime lake
it does look good otherwise ye
red zinc
im baffled that people in 16/17s still play like this
like you'd think they at least know theres a damage amp when shield goes away
SURELY
red zinc
hi
vivid vessel
noob
red zinc
because the shield would be tiny otherwise
vivid vessel
Eh I guess
lime lake
the stormrider hits him with a big storm hammer so obviously he takes more damage after that
red zinc
they couldve done it differently i guess
vivid vessel
No but like you could have a big ass shield and low health
lime lake
you'd take more damage after getting hit in the head by a big storm hammer
vivid vessel
Wouldn't it be the same
vivid vessel
You would still have to pump the same way tho
vivid vessel
sure
quasi notch
What’s the dps increase on hoc I don’t see why to run it in m+
quasi notch
Ye
red zinc
thats why you are rank 39
why are you rank 3 and not 2
quasi notch
And because I also have a job debuff
vivid vessel
why are you rank 3 and not 2
i dont have a team
red zinc
lmao no friends
vivid vessel
Ye
red zinc
vale warren
Billy no mates
vivid vessel
I consider it to be quite an achievement actually
To get where I'm at while pushing
So idc
red zinc
ye its pretty good
vivid vessel
nope
jovial socket
trashmaster title 🔛 🔝
quasi notch
What’s the max dps with hoc all buffs and target cap tho
lime lake
17
quasi notch
So like 4 mill dps increase
quasi notch
So why isn’t it recommended in the pins for trinks?
quasi notch
Well I’m 47 now because this info was withheld
mighty pivot
agent 47
quasi notch
But when I get time to play again I’ll get r2
glass mortar
isnt HoC like 0.2% dif from priory for kir builds
and its bad for HO
its just a trinket
trinkets suck this season
pick a few flavor u like and play them
shell fossil
its weird that azerokk's resonating heart is so mid
glass mortar
is it
mastery as the only steady stat and a low proc rate extremely high value agi proc
thats usually stinky trinket design
vague cape
yo is it trickster for all but sprocket
or is there another boss where trickster is illegal
vivid vessel
@glass mortar
Now that I think about it
Should dr even be a thing in pve
What if they nerfed every AOE cc to be 1 sec duration say
Then keep st ccs as is
glass mortar
that would be a design that could work
vivid vessel
And remove dr
glass mortar
would be another full overhaul and would remove the uniqueness some ccs have but
vivid vessel
Like this works no?
glass mortar
thats not necessarily a good uniqueness
vivid vessel
I mean
vivid vessel
Isn't most cc short duration nowadays
vivid vessel
Idk if we often use ccs as actual ccs
red zinc
Welp theres the wowhead article
glass mortar
lunch reading
red zinc
The cds isnt the worst part
No more external buff/debuff or incoming healing tracking
hardy thicket
on big beauty of WoW is that you can tailor it towards your needs and if you do not have the need you'll never notice you didnt have it in the first place
one *
thats dumb as hell
glass mortar
well the design goal appears to be that the game just provides u the information u need if u need it and u cant track it if u dont anyway
hardy thicket
99,9% of the player base will never track party CDs or externals etc and they will never even feel the need to. Why remove it
hardy thicket
no one
red zinc
well the design goal appears to be that the game just provides u the information...
I mean for some of it
hardy thicket
so uh
glass mortar
yea
red zinc
They pretty much said they dont want party cds tracked at all
No baseline implementation for it either
hardy thicket
Lets just remove hotkeys and stuff all toghether then i guess
shouldnt feel forced to hotkey ur abilities
glass mortar
i notice they havent actually said
how they will even manage to do this stuff
maybe i havent read far enough yet
but they even bring up the example of using private auras for boss mechanics
red zinc
All this will do is just make a workaround arms race
glass mortar
which players just bypassed using WAs that interacted with macros
warped scarab
is there a good video guide to watch on outlaw, for the reading impaired
red zinc
New weakaura every week to bypass
glass mortar
and then they said "let us never do that again"
red zinc
glass mortar
i dont see how all this stuff being suggested isnt just workarounded the same way
now i have a macro for my major cd usage that prints a line in chat that the party WA reads to know my ability is on cd
etc
red zinc
ye
keen belfry
do you tink blizzard is removing CD tracking so they are removing killing spree
a CD
glass mortar
also this like
red zinc
and if they do that its just done
glass mortar
i mean it raises the skill floor if they design around it
but also it just nerfs pugs harder then people in coms
shell fossil
licherally if they make ce and high key content more accessible that opens the door to better 1% content like hard modes etc
glass mortar
abit weird direction, i wonder if they are frustrated with the arms race against addons in raid design
and how many bosses in the race largely turn into "how long until we make a WA that solves the mechanics for us"
hardy thicket
CE and high content being more accesible does not rely on not having to use addons and WAs
glass mortar
but the fights are still hard even with the WA so
shell fossil
if 8% get ce every season thats akshully a good thing rancid as that take is
glass mortar
CE and high content being more accesible does not rely on not having to use addo...
i mean its a method to do it
i dont think its a good one
the idea being u make boss fights less complex because addons cant do what they do
hardy thicket
I get that. But look at some of the least complex fights and all the tools available and how people manage to still really really not get whats going on
Stick em with Liquids private RWF WAs and they still dont know wtf is going on
keen belfry
the idea being u make boss fights less complex because addons cant do what they ...
i think they could easily fix WA bosses in game though, like broodtwister just have th game assign you a color that matches a colored egg, or something like that
shell fossil
its weird that sod's new raid also is too mechanical for most of that player base, like ye you're right merz
glass mortar
they are saying we want to make mechanics in such a way you dont need WA to track them
and as a result we are going to break WAs ability to track them
so they dont get too oversimplified
that was the gist of what i picked up anyway
hybrid crown
They should just do that and not get rid of wa stuff
keen belfry
i do hope boss fights dont get simpler
glass mortar
well SoD also just isnt used to having actual challenging content, im pretty sure most release content has been pretty demolished
not quite as hard as classic wow release content but yea
thats just the pains of when u get a playerbase used to a certain type of content then the next raid u release an actual challenge
shell fossil
there's always groups that can put content in the bag and those that can't
i dunno its just like you can do this whole raid if you do the reading but most people don't want to raid with a guide so what to do
hardy thicket
I also think this grossly overestimates how much of a difference having good addons and WAs actually does
shell fossil
you bracket the content better for the 1%ers etc
hardy thicket
you can look at people in HoF with pretty terrible UI setups (this is me included) who use like bare minimum stuff
glass mortar
yea i mean i get that
as someone who is required to have my liquid WA pack updated every raid week for mythic prog
i would be happy to never need to download a raid pack again
but im sure theres guilds out there that dont use one at all
vivid vessel
They can also just design bosses where you don't need weak auras
You need exactly 0 weak aura on gallywix
And it's still a very good boss imo
Just too easy
glass mortar
zac how do u kspree in p1 of gally on pull
when ur doing the dance around the beam thingy
vivid vessel
Ye
glass mortar
we r starting prog soon
vivid vessel
Spree once while prepositioning
glass mortar
so i need to do my research
vivid vessel
Then cloak second spree
glass mortar
ah
so u cant, if the beam lasts beyond that cloak spree and u have another spree ready
but it shuld usually be over by then i assume
proven ocean
vivid vessel
If you wanna know sometimes I don't get 2 spree do
So
Getting 3 is never happening
craggy barn
break tracking other player buffs, which reduces the viability of both PI and aug evoker....HUGE
ion saving wow
grim spear
Finally beat Mugzee.
vivid vessel
wait ur right this is an aug raid nerf
You don't need to track Aug buffs on you wdym
vivid vessel
Finally beat Mugzee.
Beat this 
glass mortar
im talking about augs tracking who to put their buffs on
wdym track buffs on yourself
glass mortar
but i doubt that many augs r spreadsheet optimizing to that degree in raid now a day anyway
red zinc
ballzac
vivid vessel
but i doubt that many augs r spreadsheet optimizing to that degree in raid now a...
No but in m+
How do you play Aug if you can't sync
With your friends
glass mortar
sure in m+ ur stuff just auto sends
well wdym
its not hard to sync in dungeons
u have 2 dps to try to tell if they r in cds
vivid vessel
It is
glass mortar
how hard could it be
vivid vessel
Cause if you desunc it's over
Lol
Like hold a cd at end of boss or smth
Stuffs like that
grim spear
now I have capo and crowd favor, which one should I use as my mh?
glass mortar
i mean breath is piss isnt most of their power just ebon mighting and the crit buff or w/e
stuck timber
they are removing omnicd???
craggy barn
they will EVENTUALLY remove combat addons
not any time soon
this shit is expansions later
leaden folio
you dont need combat addon when you are doin housin lmao
vivid vessel
Frfr
leaden folio
end boss is your credit card
stuck timber
karen
runic bough
Guys
Ryucookedkage is here
Everything gonna be okay
Outlaw article release tomorrow....maybe
On a Friday
Perhaps
late swallow
guy is taking a nice 3 day trip to maine with his blizzad bribe money
lobster 3 times a day!
runic bough
Blizzard confirms they don't care about us in a interview so its Yolo keep playing if u want. Stop expecting quality is all. That is the way of wow now.
I'm gonna see about the head enchant tonight
We have to do visions I assume
junior vigil
!wa
ornate heathBOT
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Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
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runic bough
Take capo if u don't have a mainhand
runic bough
Yeah so capo is still bis OH then
white marten
658 offhand
runic bough
Ye
white marten
Yeah so capo is still bis OH then
When did you change your name?
slate plaza
seforium is also a aoe trinket right?
a max mythic seforium is simming worse than a max heroic magnet and hotline
slate plaza
ill prolly sim capo vs mythic vexie trink and see which is best for my profile for first dinar spend
shell fossil
also no one wants geargrinder
white marten
Sparekeys ftw
runic bough
Unless u killed mythic vexie u can get the mythic fist
slate plaza
Unless u killed mythic vexie u can get the mythic fist
mythic mainhand?
runic bough
Yeah
slate plaza
shiiii
that + capo in off hand would probably be the nicest
vexie is on farm tho so i wouldnt blow a dinart
runic bough
I just used my dinar on the vexie fist
Never seen it drop so whatever
Everything besides capo is shit
slate plaza
i wasted 30 crests recrafting my mh to 681 lol
white marten
Vexie is the magnet?
slate plaza
no vexie is bike trinket
white marten
ahh
slate plaza
magnet is stix
white marten
Only ever seen it drop once in normal
runic bough
Well one of the first 3 boss drop the fist
slate plaza
also is seforium a aoe trinket?
myth seforium sims worse than heroic hotline and magnety
proven ocean
rotund zodiac
I finally cleared 5 masks vision, took me whole day
runic bough
Its a crit chance trinket. So more bf crits if you consider that aoe
rotund zodiac
😭
proven ocean
I finally cleared 5 masks vision, took me whole day
what do u even get from that
proven ocean
but its super easy with sin rogue or
white marten
Do u guys just macro the trinket to something?
proven ocean
u can just bleed ur way into everything
slate plaza
Its a crit chance trinket. So more bf crits if you consider that aoe
so on big cleave fights its worth
but st no
white marten
I picked up the Wax whistle- since i m+ like 98% of the time
proven ocean
cooked guy is here
civic zephyr
Capo for single target, cudgel for aoe
why not use both and swap them when i need too
runic bough
That's what the pins suggest, swap between capo and cudgel for aoe and single target
They even give the weapon swap macro
glass mortar
myth seforium sims worse than heroic hotline and magnety
depends how much crit u have on gear
but it is a secondary stat trinket so it scales well in aoe yea
civic zephyr
They even give the weapon swap macro
woah woah
glass mortar
for me myth seaforium is like 0.2% worse then my best trinkets on ST
so its 🤷
if i gain a bunch of crit itll probably get worse tho
shell fossil
what are your best trinkets though ?_?
runic bough
Its your choice
glass mortar
for pure st? it was magnet and vexie in my current gear
runic bough
What do you want
rotund zodiac
can somebody play outlaw like this? I wanna see https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GEzjTxqXMb0
glass mortar
but hotline was the same dps st as well
im just not considering hotline because the trinket is not really good for dungeons so i have no reason to pick it
civic zephyr
They even give the weapon swap macro
don't see the macro am i blind
rotund zodiac
don't see the macro am i blind
pins
runic bough
don't see the macro am i blind
Yes
rotund zodiac
craggy barn
its right there
craggy quiver
The bike trinket can't hit gally right?
runic bough
#showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Capo's Molten Knuckles
glass mortar
or maybe its the whole fight idk
leaden folio
whole fight
craggy quiver
Dumb AF don't have goonies trinket
hybrid crown
Maybe it's worth using it just for the aoe ads? If you save it for that part is it a loss overall
glass mortar
splash off adds ig
craggy quiver
I dinar the fist weap
runic bough
I prefer 21k agility and hp pot buff and 1600 vers stat
glass mortar
well yes adds r delayed decently into the fight and not up often enough to use trinket on cd
and its not like the trinket is big on aoe
no trinket is big this season
hasty nest
Hi guys, is there some sort of bug that causes me to be unable to generate combopoints? Just had 20 seconds of fight without any cp generation, couldn't use any spenders
glass mortar
i dont ever plan to play the simmed bis because its like 0.2% ahead of 3 other setups and i think the other setups r more fun/better for m+
did u guys have a mob evading somewhere
i had that happen in a ToP when the tank died and released and one of the mobs in our pack decided to evade perma
couldnt use any of my attacks on the other mobs
hybrid crown
I've been using keys magnet
Damage proc trinkets make me feel like I have DPS cds lol
hasty nest
nah, was first pull in workshop, nobody died. Could still use sinister strike etc, but no spenders
glass mortar
did ur main hand weapon break or was it accidently a dagger or something
but no, no bug im aware of that does that
hasty nest
weird
shell fossil
could have been lag
hardy thicket
yea i mean i get that
