outlaw

[lime lake]

ye was like a week ago or some shit

[vivid vessel]

i missed assa i think

[white marten]

Sub too right?

[cinder relic]

sub was a bit ago yeah

[runic bough]

outlaws current rng

1. Can I use ks?
2. Did ks kill me?
3. Ks killed me wait for brez or stay dead?
4. Ks sus send low cp??
5. What rtb buffs I gets?
6. Shit what's eating my hp? Oh its ks dot fuck heal me?
7. Any bte proc?
8. No ace procs, no dmg? Fuck!
9. Bte buff not up? Fuck no dmg
10. No bte ace procs? Fuck adr fell off no dmg.

[cinder relic]

Why are 4 of these just KS reworded

5 actually

[runic bough]

Ok u make a list then

[heavy shadow]

So basically visions with outlaw is a bit of a joke. Half the time vanish breaks combat and resets boss

[cinder relic]

KS, Tier, RTB, Procs

4

[vapid sundial]

I dont disagree but remove ks

is simpler answer

[white marten]

You gotta be quick with it

[heavy shadow]

I know, but last boss then, was GC reset

[white marten]

The last boss i always bte almost immediately after vanishing otherwise it does reset

Unless its random but it hasnt happened to me much

[red zinc]

We should send ryu on the first manned mission to mars

[wintry solar]

Best part about dropping ace is that it's not as bad when you don't get ace procs because you're not expecting any

I mean sure your globals are like walking on eggshells

[sullen wyvern]

does GW damage get buff by vers?

[runic bough]

[red zinc]

Best part about dropping ace is that its not as bad when you bottom the meter because you dont expect anything else

[wintry solar]

Why are you bottoming the meter HUH?

Hmmm?

Huh?

Hmmm?

https://tenor.com/view/dory-finding-nemo-fight-me-do-ya-got-a-problem-gif-15001455141244949658

[red zinc]

Only thing im bottoming is cute guys on grindr

Anyway

[white marten]

Cuz rng

[red zinc]

[wintry solar]

Teehee

[wintry solar]

Random nice guys?

[white marten]

Girls

[wintry solar]

Erm

They don't play wow

Only boys and bowls of fruit are allowed

[white marten]

Not true, i heard one on discord the other day

But yeah, no gurls play outlaw 😦

[wintry solar]

She's not into being called kitten. She just wants valorant skins.

[white marten]

All girls play BM hunter

[late hill]

What is the best lesser rune to use for outlaw?

[white marten]

Gushers or TDev

[wintry solar]

You know what would go great with these corruptions?

[white marten]

Fruit snacks?

[wintry solar]

The real corruption from bfa

I like yours too

[late swallow]

You like getting your butt dug?

[wintry solar]

I NEED a void clone of my character to ambush me in a 15

[runic bough]

Many healers are women

[white marten]

The best times

[runic bough]

I would like a kujo trinket that did the same damage the boss does to us

[wintry solar]

I remember I kept cleansing the corruption for whatever reason

[runic bough]

Instead we get one that is 50x nerfed

[wintry solar]

But then I got 300

And it all made sense

[white marten]

If you played Havoc, you could just outrun the corruptions

[wintry solar]

I didn't know the cloak was also a button for the longest time lol

[runic bough]

https://tenor.com/view/vote-for-pedro-voteforpedro-napoleon-gif-23882534

Everytime I see Pedro typing I think in my head

[white marten]

Yes a vote for me is a vote for outlaw

[wintry solar]

They were only good because we stacked corruption

So idk

[white marten]

He was talking about the kujo flames

[wintry solar]

Not sure why they brought them back

Oh

[runic bough]

Corruption stacking would be fun

[wintry solar]

It was/is/will be when blizz is cool again

[white marten]

But im assuming they’ll drop Greater corruptions later

[runic bough]

They went totally different woth these enchants amd still calling them corruptions

Lies just like the new starwars films

[white marten]

It wouldn’t be blizzard if they didnt drip feed us re-used content

The cosmetics were time gated ffs

[wintry solar]

Somehow, corruptions returned.

[white marten]

S3 BFA was lit

[wintry solar]

I liked all of bfa but hey

It is what it is

[white marten]

Then fkin SL was a thing somehow

Whatever that was

[wintry solar]

Liked SL too

[runic bough]

These enchants are nothing like corruptions

[wintry solar]

But it is what it is

[runic bough]

They should be called something else

It was just a bait

[white marten]

Nobody liked SL except for the s1 Raid

[cinder relic]

well they are identical

They just deal way less damage

[white marten]

In BFA, twilight dev would be every tanks top Dps ability by a mile in any key

[cinder relic]

Itd be anybodies top damage by far if it proced

[white marten]

BF says “i dont think so”

[wintry solar]

RiP nazjatar

A real one frfr

As often as I died to other players in wpvp, it doesn't hold a candle to the amount of times I died from fall damage.

[runic bough]

Missed opportunity to do bfa dungeons this season no?

[cinder relic]

wdym missed opportunity

[wintry solar]

This guy

[white marten]

What?

[wintry solar]

Don't tell him

[white marten]

Youre only like 5 years too late pal

[runic bough]

I'm just pulling your tails

[wintry solar]

Okay okay

[runic bough]

[cinder relic]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-funny-wtf-wth-jesse-gif-17336046

[wintry solar]

SL feels like yesterday to anyone else?

[runic bough]

Motherlode port is in zuldazar duh

[cinder relic]

wait also yeah ML Is BFA

[runic bough]

[cinder relic]

And so is workshop..?

[runic bough]

Yeah pretty sure

[cinder relic]

Do you just say things first then think after

[runic bough]

https://tenor.com/view/yup-dale-doback-step-brothers-yes-i-agree-gif-1579811350903017250

[civic void]

Actual comedy that it gets you every time ngl

[runic bough]

Hahaha

[rocky kiln]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[white marten]

I miss Sanguine depths, DoS, and Plaguefall from SL

[fathom bramble]

still can't believe they nerfed echoing void due to tanks and left outlaw with no good corruptions

[wintry solar]

Plaguefall is ASS

[white marten]

Atop

[wintry solar]

And you know what?

[white marten]

Dont

[wintry solar]

AND YOU KNOW WHAT

[white marten]

You

Dare

Say it

[wintry solar]

Vortex Pinnacle?

[civic zephyr]

When doing tier 8, is there a way to interrupt the goblin well connected friends?

[wintry solar]

Great dungeon

[fathom bramble]

bring back underrot

[wintry solar]

FUCK UNDERROT

[fathom bramble]

kidney/cheap/blind

[runic bough]

Underrot the pug killer

[fathom bramble]

they will try to recast it though so you need to stun them more than once sometimees

[wintry solar]

Real

[fathom bramble]

miss underrot

[white marten]

Spires of Ascension was actually top 3

[wintry solar]

I need Temple of Sethraliss to come back

[fathom bramble]

naw

[white marten]

Now you’re trolling

[fathom bramble]

that dungeon sucked

[wintry solar]

Nah

[runic bough]

I like the temple where we fight the spider boss and have to kill our clones before they reach her

[civic zephyr]

I like the auchindon dungeons

[wintry solar]

Sethraliss top 3 dungeons in wow for me

Next to forge of souls

[civic zephyr]

Sethhak halls is cool

[white marten]

Plague > Spires > De Other Side for me

[runic bough]

Updated sethek halls would go hard

[compact mountain]

atal'dazar

[fathom bramble]

BFA had 1 good dungeon

[wintry solar]

And you didn't play it

[white marten]

Ataldazar was ass

[wintry solar]

Ataldazar was good. It wasn't amazing but I liked it.

[civic zephyr]

is BFA timewalking next week?

[compact mountain]

atal'dazar was easy as a rogue, slow classes got screwed on all the bosses though

[runic bough]

Atal Dazar was our farm dungeon in DF s3 so we all got good at it.

[gaunt phoenix]

Love junkyard

[wintry solar]

Yeah junkyard is great

[white marten]

Junkyard fun

Halls of Atonement

Was bis

[wintry solar]

Yeah that one was good too

I liked spires of ascension a lot

[craggy barn]

idk theres forced non stealth

[wintry solar]

I can't stomach another Plaguefall and DoS

[craggy barn]

terrible for us now

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[runic bough]

Updated marudan what's it called?

[white marten]

I want poxstorm jail now!!

[craggy barn]

no

[wintry solar]

Which is also why I want it

Because it's bad for us now

We need to be more miserable

So that we can get fixed faster

[white marten]

Outlaw is too good rn

Needs a 10% aoe nerf

[runic bough]

Fu** you

[white marten]

You okay sin. I dont wanna hear it

Play*

[runic bough]

Lol outlaw does less aoe and u want to nerf it?

[wintry solar]

It was sarcasm

[runic bough]

WE DONT JOKE ABOUT THAT STUFFS

[white marten]

😂

[wintry solar]

YES WE DO

[runic bough]

[wintry solar]

Says the red name

[vivid vine]

should i just be aggressively rolling in keys to get a 4 or higher roll for kir? or do you stick to the normal roll logic?

[random stirrup]

whole lot of red names in here

[wintry solar]

Blizz remembers assa

[random stirrup]

i gapped a guy on his main spec with 19s timed in a 12 today while down 12 ilvl

outlaw is broken

[runic bough]

I'm not red wdym?

[civic void]

Stick to the roll logic, but I mean it's already rolling quite a lot so idk how more aggressive you are thinking

[white marten]

I started as assa but I’ve seen the light

[runic bough]

Well

[white marten]

Keep fishing for 4

[runic bough]

This is like 80% outlaw

[wintry solar]

Coward

[runic bough]

20% of our fun is ruined by ks.

[wintry solar]

15 I'd argue

[vivid vine]

i solved my ks issue by just only ever doing 1-2 cp ks's on bosses

[runic bough]

I find it hard to press low cp abilities so I'm still screwed

The mental note is engraved in my muscle memory

[vivid vine]

the best is when you press it just as a targeted spell goes out

[runic bough]

5+cp or don't send it

[vivid vine]

and you land right in it at the end of ks

so you dont get the dot

and just get tapped

[wintry solar]

I literally can't afford to spend energy on a spender with 2 combo points

Every global matters

[vivid vine]

to many bosses just kill you on higher cp ks's imo

[runic bough]

I still havnt tested a trolololster build without talented into ks.

[vivid vine]

like rookery is my most hated dungeon tbh

[runic bough]

It would be nice if we could take the ks hero nodes and use them in our outlaw tree.

To take audacity and gsw if kir

[wintry solar]

Ryu

[runic bough]

And then if HO we could take gsw and something else

Like gsw and gs

That would be nice

[wintry solar]

What does this mean btw?

[runic bough]

Like if we don't use the ks hero talents and they become usable on the outlaw tree instead.

[wintry solar]

All of them?

[runic bough]

There are only 2 ks nodes

So we would not take them

[wintry solar]

I'm not following

[runic bough]

And use them in the normal outlaw tree

[wintry solar]

You want the benefits of trickster KS in the outlaw tree?

[runic bough]

Are you pulling my tail

I've said it multiple times now

[wintry solar]

I'm asking because I need clarification

Oh I get it

[runic bough]

We are forced to use all the hero talent nodes right.

[wintry solar]

I'm picking up what you're putting down now

[runic bough]

But what if we could use them in our outlaw tree

Because fuck the hero trees for outlaw

[wintry solar]

Then we'd get MORE bad hero trees

I still want to try feint trickster

[runic bough]

Well we could choose more of the outlaw tree

[wintry solar]

I won't forget

[runic bough]

While the outlaw tree sucks too, it would be nice to have 2 more node choices. If not taking the ks nodes in trickster.

Is what I'm saying

[wintry solar]

Nodes being capstones?

[shut lichen]

k

[wintry solar]

KiR will never take GSW with outlaw being the way it is

That's just how it be

[runic bough]

Unless we have extra nodes

[shut lichen]

just make blundy b or tornado trigger a talent or something

i do like PS loops

[runic bough]

By unselected hero talents

Then we wouldn't need to take ks

And untalented ks nodes in the hero tree

[wintry solar]

That'd be funny

[runic bough]

That's 3 more points to use in outlaw tree

[white marten]

Crackshot should be part of the spec at this point

We never not use it

[clear zephyr]

What is the best corruption to outlaw?

[wintry solar]

Crackshot will have its time but like everything else, it'll get deleted eventually.

And I'm sitting here patiently

Waiting...

[runic bough]

You are the only one that doesn't like crackshot

[white marten]

Dont hold your breath

[runic bough]

Bte spams are fun for the majority

[wintry solar]

Majority of people here

[runic bough]

You know others who don't like to spam bte?

[wintry solar]

Yeah why

[compact mountain]

I would like another option at least

especially on fights with lots of lag like bunkjunker

[runic bough]

I think people who don't like to spam bte may need to adjust their spell que window. It's really fun to top the meters isn't it?

[wintry solar]

That's also ace

Not crackshot

I don't bte spam

[runic bough]

Oh ye

Well

I'm out of convo now then

I like ace then

[wintry solar]

But I get what you're saying

I like bte not on CD and I like ace procs but I don't like them together.

Weird ik

[runic bough]

But even as fate, bte has no dmg so

[wintry solar]

Yeah

Truly

Thats why we got bunches of them

[runic bough]

All the bte spamming does nothing on fate

Feels like wasted effort

[wintry solar]

I like when my cdg and supercharger line up

[runic bough]

They could buff gsw

Make ps the main dmg instead

Would make outlaw play differently

[white marten]

Everyone loves the bte spam. Makes outlaw a ranged spec for 7 seconds

[wintry solar]

Holding bte for opp procs was nice

[runic bough]

I dont like the rng tho

Other classes do more dmg then us even if we have good rng is the main issue

And why they reroll off outlaw

Right now we are strong so its a little more interesting

[wintry solar]

And the "but outlaw is an rng proc spec" isn't justifiable for the work/reward ratio

I had two thoughts put into one

I'm so tired

[runic bough]

If we are an rng spec, at least make us good dmg with high rng.

[white marten]

Idk man, outlaw is the ultimate pug spec. Very few classes are better than outlaw in the 5-10 target range

[runic bough]

Yes but we don't do any dmg if no rng still

[white marten]

Ah

True

[runic bough]

Like 1 ss if your adr fall off during a dmg Amp phase

Might as well be dead

[sick rain]

man i feel like my rogue just shits out damage in any pull, been having so much fun

[white marten]

Might as well reload game

[runic bough]

Yeah when you get a full dungeon of good rng it's very fun.

[wintry solar]

I can't wait for guys article

[white marten]

Im sorta surprised RtB hasnt been made a passive ability at this point.

Very much something id expect from blizz

[cinder relic]

I've realized my article is quite short compared to many other classes but I honestly don't think the spec has that much to say about it

Some articles, no flame, I feel are just like, very busy

I feel like I get the point across fairly concisely

[runic bough]

Guy you should include the ks gif falling off the boat

[wintry solar]

Short sweet and to the point

I'm not a fan of formalities and fluff myself

[runic bough]

I wonder what he said about ks

[wintry solar]

It's bad

[sick rain]

thank you for writing it, looking forward to the read

[runic bough]

But did he voice the horrors outlaw community feels about it or just like meh ks is bad... there's a difference.

[fathom bramble]

I do feel that a couple I read kind of included every possible problem with the spec instead of just the most important stuff

[wintry solar]

I'm more hyped over the article than I've been for outlaw for years. Which isn't really saying a whole lot. It's just an article.

[fathom bramble]

maybe that's better, maybe it's not

[runic bough]

Its nice that the lack of tuning is getting more awareness for all classes in general.

[balmy parcel]

ok real talk how badass for the KIR build would it be if outlaw had access to sods Saber Slash

[runic bough]

I havnt seen Saber slash yet

[wintry solar]

If the problems outlaw has weren't there, I wouldn't care about the tuning

[wintry solar]

Very

[balmy parcel]

Viciously slash an enemy for 100% weapon damage, and cause the target to bleed for (Attack power * 5 / 100) damage every 2 sec for 12 sec, stacking up to 3 times. Each stack also increases damage done by your Saber Slash and Sinister Strike by 50%. Awards 1 combo point.

Saber Slash benefits from all talents and effects that trigger from or modify Sinister Strike.

[fathom bramble]

pass

doesn't cleave, Maintenance buff, only generates 1 CP

[balmy parcel]

it would fit outlaws them perfecctly

[fathom bramble]

a boring maintenance buff at that

[balmy parcel]

ok but outlaw doesnt need more ccleave it need ST

[runic bough]

Yes that's how everyone wants to feel

[wintry solar]

We need to cull some cp gen to make the 1cp be palletable

[balmy parcel]

haveing a harding hiting sinister strike plus and new bleed would be great

[wintry solar]

I played outlaw all of SL while everyone else rerolled to assa or sub

[cinder relic]

Yeah

Not a bad way to do it ig

But I want my reads to be like

[balmy parcel]

most of are damage right now already is ccleave

[cinder relic]

Some of them are just too long

too wordy

Too specific

[fathom bramble]

I think this greatly increases the chance that non-outlaws will actually read it

[cinder relic]

I think my articles generally get the point across for the layman

[fathom bramble]

instead of skipping over it or only reading a little bit

[cinder relic]

Ya

[wintry solar]

Any day now

[fathom bramble]

I think there's a few adjustments that it could get to become a fitting skill

[cinder relic]

No but a ks gif is included

[fathom bramble]

%generator damage instead of just SS. 1 stack instead of 3 and make it generate 3 combo points so it's not awful to press

% generator damage goes on the player and the bleed goes on your target

so that BF will actually copy it

[wicked kestrel]

What article?

[wintry solar]

Guys article

It's not out yet

[balmy parcel]

i was gonna say what articale

whats it about?

[wintry solar]

Outlaw retrospective

[balmy parcel]

whens it getting released?

[wintry solar]

Eventually

We don't know

The articles are being drip fed and the specs are random

[balmy parcel]

whats it getting released on the forums or wowhead?

[wintry solar]

Wowhead

[balmy parcel]

gottccha

[wintry solar]

Keep your eyes peeled

[runic bough]

Waiting for my notification

[wintry solar]

Same

[runic bough]

https://tenor.com/view/sussa-gif-5432297967573209335

[wintry solar]

Last time, I got pinged for the sub article

I don't even play sub

[sharp hinge]

i love killing spree

[runic bough]

In my discord it pings me for all of wowheads articles on blozzard

[wintry solar]

I had that but I got tired of SoD dps rankings

And retail rankings

Basically stuff that's not news

[runic bough]

I follow the announcements on the wowhead discord and they don't have a section for just wow articles

And they notify a channel in my discord

Would be nice it gets flooded

Woth other games

Like d4

Don't care

[sharp hinge]

do you guys think well get a rework

[wintry solar]

Nah

I would like one though

Would like to chill out with the combo points and cdr personally

[sharp hinge]

same

[compact mountain]

Gotta top those healing meters

[sharp hinge]

i think rogue is one of the coolest classes in the game, i just dont think blizz knows what to do with it

[compact mountain]

They have exactly 2 ideas for rogue, poisons/bleeds, and shadow-stuff. Unfortunately they have 3 specs to fill

[sick rain]

i want a parrot that flies down when I use KIR and pecks the eyes out of my target

[runic bough]

You forgot pirate

They keep denying the pirate thing but have all this pirate theme mogs. Even our gun is pirate era.

[cinder relic]

Whats wrong with rogue rn

[sharp hinge]

so basically you want diablo 4 rogue

[cinder relic]

Dont mention tuning

[sharp hinge]

killing spree is like half of it tbh

[runic bough]

90% of it u mean

[wintry solar]

30%

[runic bough]

Outlaw as a whole is doing good right now, but killingspree is a major issue.

Major issue is more than 30%.

[sharp hinge]

tuning wise, sure

[cinder relic]

KS is bad, but it's not, "not knowing what to do with the class"

[wintry solar]

30% killing spree and the rest goes to the other issues in whatever % you want

[dawn talon]

class tree sucks and ks is in the game

[wintry solar]

No wrong answers

[runic bough]

If ks was removed outlaw rotation would have zero interruptions. Coup is okay to work with.

[cinder relic]

What part of the class tree sucks?

[wintry solar]

People don't like the class tree?

[runic bough]

That's also another discussion

[random stirrup]

wait rogue class tree is kinda goated

[wintry solar]

Yeah it's one of the few class trees I have 0 complaints about

[random stirrup]

other than like shadowheart being meme worthy

[sharp hinge]

like using killing spree on stix and someone hits you and ccs you lmao

[dawn talon]

all of it really? our throughput nodes are pretty exceptionally boring, extra vanish being less miserable to get would be a pretty big qol thing for lower skilled assa players, and shadowheart is a node that actually reads 'do nothing'

it's not like prerework druid tree bad but it's definitely obvious they haven't given it the same amount of post-df attention several other trees got

[tired compass]

Ace rng and ks

[wintry solar]

Class tree

That's spec tree

Chat look at this goober

Point and laugh

[tired compass]

Tea

[random stirrup]

the biggest problem with rogue class tree is probably deeper strat being an autolock for every spec

should be higher up

[dawn talon]

this also yeah

our class tree is also particularly terrible for levelling bc of deeper stratagem and a few other nodes

[wintry solar]

Gouge and aoe blind are choice nodes. I need ultimate control.

[dawn talon]

which isn't really an issue for playing the class longterm obvs but it makes it harder for people to get into it

[runic bough]

All I'm thinking about right now is chili fries are on sale at Tommy's right now

[wintry solar]

I'd argue to remove the deeper strat from spec trees and move the one in the class tree up

[dawn talon]

or remove the spec tree deeper strat and make the class tree one +2

(and probably still move it up)

[wintry solar]

The idea is lower max cp

[sharp hinge]

yeah, but we get kidney shot and slice and dice, which does nothing

[dawn talon]

finally

deepeset stratagem

[runic bough]

Also there should be a good rogue talent other than cold blood, which outlaw never takes.

[wintry solar]

Unless you like hitting sinister strike

[dawn talon]

i dont like 6cp

and do like hitting ss

[civic zephyr]

I am a bit bad at itemization and was wondering if I should use the boots that dropped or the arena boots

[white marten]

put shadowstep back on the class tree

[cinder relic]

How are they boring when they are very transformative on how we play the spec?

Supercharger, and Without a trace are huge on how they affect the spec

[civic zephyr]

My stat percentages

[sharp hinge]

sim it

[runic bough]

Can we get an execute?

[civic zephyr]

Whats a sim?

[sharp hinge]

raidbots.com

[white marten]

!WA

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[runic bough]

@cinder relic I can understand being an rng spec, but how could we deter the low no dmg no energy points for outlaw? That's what the the tuning should prioritize outside of ks.

[civic zephyr]

Also should my damage be swaying a lot depending on if I get a 5 buff vs a 1 buff from roll the bones on a HO build?

[runic bough]

Yeah your dmg can vary from 1mil to 3mil depending on your rng.

Welcome to outlaw homie

[weary fog]

Do u have tier set yet

[wintry solar]

Maybe not deter it but making it not as bad would be nice

[civic zephyr]

I have arena gear

trying to get a PvE set

[wintry solar]

Because that just comes with the territory

Bro has semi bis ring and neck and don't even know it

@runic bough I think imma run some kir tonight

Get me some of that ace action in

Loop my rtb buffs 3 fold

1 fth

Good times

[cinder relic]

I dont know what ur asking

While it is shitty for literally 0 procs to lead to 0 gameplay, I have never, inherently took issue with that being the case

[fathom bramble]

I think it's only really bad when you get bad luck on procs and bad luck on energy regen at the same time

moving some of our energy out of being random and towards passive regen would be nice, and it wouldn't negatively impact any of the stuff that makes otl fun

[cinder relic]

I would agree with that

[fathom bramble]

like if energy on offhand was just on every hit instead of a % chance

for example

[late swallow]

You would? But you don’t

[fathom bramble]

normalized by making daggers generate less instead of having a lower chance

[late swallow]

(I’m being pedantic like mewo)

[fathom bramble]

some other stuff like increasing max energy could make you not notice the bad rng as much too since you would have more overhead for periods of low regen

[cinder relic]

Could also go back to BR being a good spell

I liked BR for that a lot

Being free + regen I feel was nice

[fathom bramble]

yeah having a fallback for low energy was nice too

another idea is to have AR and normal energy regen be the same

and AR just makes spells cheaper by the same amount that it makes them faster

so there is never a discrepancy between the 2

would have to come alongside a buff to base energy regen though since otherwise we would just run out of energy during AR sometimes too

[atomic bolt]

I took a mythic grim codex in the vault this week cause all else was booty.. it sims really well, but, feels like a bit of bait

[cinder relic]

Why would it be bait?

[hybrid crown]

The cone is hard to position

I have one too

It's annoying popping it and seeing a cone hit a weird direction and not the shit you want it to

[cinder relic]

hmmm

[hybrid crown]

Yes

Skill issue

[tight kernel]

Do you guys get put in jails during mugzee?

like as solo dps

[tiny crystal]

I have a noob question
When “coupe de grace” comes up be time I get to 5+ CP,s it disappears .
Am I pressing something that’s making it disappear or is there a time frame I should be pressing coup ? .

I feel like I’m missing a lot of coup casts

[bright crane]

dispatch becomes coup

when u have coup up

[fathom bramble]

the cone portion of the trinket does so little damage that it doesn't really matter too much

even though it could be on some level considered a sim bait since the cone is assumed to hit all mobs, but in reality might hit half or less

the overall value of the trinket will be very close to what it sims just thanks to how bad the cone really is

[atomic bolt]

ty Lok, might be worth using till I can get something better next dinar. preciate it

[tiny crystal]

Yeah I get that but coup turns back into dispatch before I get to build CP and use it 80% of the time

Didn’t know if I’m doing something wrong to lose it before I get to cast it

[keen belfry]

just did 1.4mil on candle king boss

sup

[buoyant stratus]

i love outlaw

[keen belfry]

someone link me a comptuer stand please

[glass mortar]

this is why i want rng protection

doesnt even need to be guarenteed procs

just something like

everytime SS fails to proc, its cost is reduced by 10 energy up to 3 times

idc if im doing zero damage spamming SS every gcd

at least im pressing a button

every gcd

[fathom bramble]

something like that would help for sure

Sinister strike and ambush trigger Fatal Flourish and Restless blades when they fail to strike twice.

[random stirrup]

I don't even think it needs to be tied to fails to proc

just make consecutive ss presses cost less energy

[fathom bramble]

you don't want SS to be too high of a value especially in the form of reducing the cost

it starts to risk not casting PS anymore

[random stirrup]

just from gcd efficiency you wouldn't cast ps?

with proc

[fathom bramble]

like if SS is just generically strong and doesn't rely on casting PS for that strength like audacity then you can drop all the PS talents

and just spam SS

trying to address runs of bad luck by adjusting the failures is probably more safe

[wicked kestrel]

Trying to find a weakaura pack I like feels like a curse. Lol

[clear zephyr]

What corruption are you guys taking?

[hollow temple]

Pins

[craggy barn]

make ur own 🙂

[wintry gate]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[wintry gate]

just use any of those and remove the shit you dont want or like

[azure mango]

can you killing spree on M sporcket?

or will you overlap polarities?

[wintry gate]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[clear zephyr]

Ty, I just saw it

[grim spear]

You will get kicked from the group.

[sullen wyvern]

Mythic OAB prog, TD looking balanced guys.

[azure mango]

I told them i was going to do it once

killeds two people

gross i have to play KiR?

[runic bough]

guys rate my raid spec

for raid cleave

its just missing deft

which is not really needed for single target

but i got pc for the cleave

my raid dmg sucks but I seem to be doing well in this

[glass mortar]

i mean fatebound isnt gunna do good aoe

glhf

ur st will be ok... except on aoe fights ur ST will be worse because fatebound loses ST in aoe from the hero talents

🙂

[runic bough]

EVEN AS TRICKSTER

my single target doesnt get to 3mil like everyone else

[glass mortar]

i mean 3m st is like bis outlaw gear

u can do it without that

but u need to highroll a bit

for ur average to be 3m u need like

683 ilvl

xd

[runic bough]

ffs

ill just play my fate build

and be happy with 2mil

[runic bough]

the kind of dmg i do in raid vs m+ is really bad

thats with trickster

[hybrid crown]

Rik is kinda rng due to barrel drops

Did you run PC? Most aren't running PC for that one

[runic bough]

yesd

[latent belfry]

also rik got way worse cause now you cant use evasion on the knockback

well not way worse but worse

[hybrid crown]

I got a lucky kill where a bunch of DPS died at the end and 3 barrels spawned in the mele lol

Got to do big cleave on them for the whole duration and they even exploded like right as the boss died

It was a rough kill 😔

[grim spear]

The current gear system is terrible for anyone trying to play multiple specs.

[runic bough]

only vers flask and food, no buffs

i should go get pvp neck

get 40% unbuffed vers

[tough ridge]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hard nimbus]

Alleria keeps disapperaing with my vanish . SMH

[runic bough]

nah

just vers flash and food

double duskthread

engi wrists

crafting jewelry and heavy verse ring

trash cloak

[woeful otter]

do these new enchant effect by haste?

[torpid harbor]

20% DR, just walkin' around

[lucid vale]

Hey ya'll, does Killing Spree cause anything negative on mythic Sprocket if I touch the opposite color circle?

[lone spear]

yea

for the person that isnt you

you'll just take the damage as a dot

its pure ST so just play FB

[lucid vale]

Thanks. FB?

[lone spear]

fatebound

[lucid vale]

aye

[lone spear]

if you dont have the haste for keep it rolling, you can still play fatebound with hidden opportunity

[lucid vale]

Should i take off KS and drop the point somewhere else?

[random stirrup]

pressing killing spree on a 12 psf and it made me quad soak on the 2nd boss

[lone spear]

yeap, usually put into improved* main gauche

[lone spear]

have had that happen before xdd

[civic zephyr]

general WoW question, whats a suitable tip on a crafted item?

[lucid vale]

very cool thank you

[frank finch]

what do you do with the horseshoes in the horrfic visions

[lone spear]

buy some matching horsesocks

[lone spear]

whatever you feel like, most people tip between 1-5k for items around this time of the tier

[civic zephyr]

cool beans

[frigid condor]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cinder relic]

U find 1 in each zone excluding the dwarven district

and then u take them to the dwaven district in the middle theres a forge

u throw them in there, it spawns a horse

kill it and u get a mount

[wintry solar]

I wake up

No article

I :(

I play outlaw

I :)

Is Ryu asleep

I gotta tell him of my kir gaming

I do see what Ion was saying btw

I bet KiR is the next big outlaw talent on the chopping block

[craggy barn]

yall wanna see xav pvp tech

[wintry solar]

Ya

[craggy barn]

one sec this clipping thing is annoying

https://warcraftrecorder.com/link/66f8a2c6-64cc-45b0-8441-2a44a8ca2355

save magnet for pvp ez

[wintry solar]

LMAOO

That's awesome

[craggy barn]

i saved that shit for 2 pulls

[wintry solar]

I need that trinket

[fathom bramble]

I did the same thing with bike the other day

always save trinkets for the down phase to make it short imo

[craggy barn]

i use the magnet on boss only if i dont get selected on the first down phase

otherwise i send it on someone

bc its funny af

[wintry solar]

What's the CD on it

[craggy barn]

20

[wintry solar]

Oh that's not bad

[craggy barn]

but in terms of gaining charges

idk

[wintry solar]

Oh right yeah

[fathom bramble]

well it's 10 hasted rppm

[craggy barn]

i accidentally pressed distract there too lol

[fathom bramble]

so with no haste it's 3 minutes to stack, with the haste we usually have probably more like 2:20 to hit max stacks

so you can hold it for quite a while before you start losing stacks

[craggy barn]

u dont lose stacks over time

[fathom bramble]

you start functionally losing stacks if you sit at 30 though

[craggy barn]

oh that

yea

magnet is the superior trinket for pvp phase

[tribal oasis]

using feint after KS helps mitigating KS dot?

[wintry solar]

So there was a distract and I wasn't crazy

[fathom bramble]

no

[jolly geyser]

Might get magnet with dinar next,if no vault ofc

[craggy barn]

yea i hit it and it was stuck on my cursor for abit

[wintry solar]

Rip

[fathom bramble]

only way to mitigate the KS dot is cloak to remeove it

[craggy barn]

didnt matter bc i just sent ks anyways

for style points

full kidney into magnet into ks

[fathom bramble]

actually does anyone know if magic bop from paladin removes/mitigates the KS dot 🤔

[vapid sundial]

it should

I dont see any reason why it wouldnt

[wintry solar]

Isn't the KS dot physical?

[fathom bramble]

it deals shadow damage

[vapid sundial]

Cloak removes it

what do you mean is it physical

[wintry solar]

I never put 2 and 2 together

[vapid sundial]

[wintry solar]

I guess I thought it was a physical dot cloak removed

Why are you mean to me :(

[vapid sundial]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780377679227650079/1143175175391674418/Viberge.gif

[red zinc]

[fathom bramble]

I think spellwarding should block it

I can't test rn though

[runic bough]

https://tenor.com/view/alert-siren-warning-light-gif-15160785

If Ryu can do it, so can you!

[wintry solar]

RAHHHHHHHH

Okay Ryu

[runic bough]

yoooooo

Killingspree killed me twice on last key

[rotund zodiac]

ryu wanna m+

[runic bough]

but

we still timed it

[wintry solar]

Ryu make 1 change to outlaw

That's not KS

I'd buff ambush by 100% so kir has to use it

[runic bough]

Id make Bladerush the finisher for trickster

[fathom bramble]

swap audacity and HO in the tree

[runic bough]

tomorrow

[vapid sundial]

I'd remove adrenaline rush and no other changes to watch this discord burn

[wintry solar]

Based

[runic bough]

im go sleep now

[rotund zodiac]

gn

[runic bough]

Flushies we need to redo Stix battle

now that ambush macro is on

my dps is normal now

[vapid sundial]

[rotund zodiac]

what ambush macro

[runic bough]

!ambush

[ornate heath]

It is possible to use a macro to cast Ambush during Stealth/Audacity and Sinister Strike otherwise, instead of using the stealth bar:
/cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, bonusbar:1] Ambush ; Sinister Strike
*This is most useful to swap between HO and KIR builds without changing keybinds.
Stance swap delay is, for now, not an issue since we don't want to cast vanish into ambush anymore.

[vapid sundial]

He wasnt using ambush

he was using SS

[rotund zodiac]

why you need macro when you only play HO

[runic bough]

i play both

but

[rotund zodiac]

[wintry solar]

Imagine not having your buttons saved to your build and having seperate builds

[runic bough]

during stealth ambush is not used if you dont have the macro

[wintry solar]

It's how me know you're a real outlaw enjoyer

[vapid sundial]

no?

real outlaws going 'this build sucks'

and stubbornly only play 1

[runic bough]

well

my gear is stacked on HO

but I like KiR better for m+

and i like HO for raiding

[wintry solar]

I've got like

[runic bough]

umm

[wintry solar]

4 ho builds lol

[runic bough]

except Gally, I like KiR

[vapid sundial]

But yeah

I have keybinds per build

[wintry solar]

4 ho, 2 kir

Build idea wait

[vapid sundial]

wont catch me pplaying kir even at gunpoint tho

[rotund zodiac]

mine

[vapid sundial]

Me playing enhance where i had a build for every boss

last tier was

[runic bough]

[vapid sundial]

im still mad i lost a rank 1 world

due to my warlock eating 4p i

woulda been rank 1 sikran

[stuck sparrow]

just proc more

[runic bough]

WAIT

this can replace my crafted MH

ill just get this from the dinars

[wintry solar]

Ryu got myth before me :(

[fluid meadow]

Faceless Mask of Multitudes, somebody got this? like comments are interesting on wowhead for drop

[runic bough]

i really wanna use mythic dagger OH

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2JNP8Gn1EWNLkJrxfJ2G8B

but its got no aoe proc

stuck with the cudgel

looks like Heroic capo beats anything mythic for single target
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cwFuQmrxAGXKZxzAib8nT1

im just gonna stay with hero capo forever

no swap

I dont switch all the time still

and its anoyying

so I guess ill just stay with Hero Capo from key start

and its best for single target already

so

win/win

[random stirrup]

i mean the nightfall weapon does a lot of dmg

[runic bough]

maybe a few more million

[red zinc]

hes already griefing his keys whats a little more

[runic bough]

but not super crazy more

[random stirrup]

that's no way to speak to our king

[red zinc]

if thats your king id consider declaring sovereignty

[vivid vessel]

That's not what win/win means

[runic bough]

Well it beats mythic dagger and we need it for boss fights. So its win/win there. Just lose some aoe dmg.

[vivid vessel]

Ryu can you rename to ryucooked instead

[runic bough]

[magic shuttle]

gotta kill mythic mugzee

capo OP

[runic bough]

yeah prob not with my guild they still not full raid yet

pug 2-3 slots slows down raid start time

[stiff glade]

What is up with all the low precision sims in raidbots lately? Is that a new thing?

[runic bough]

thats with no buffs

[magic shuttle]

is there a way to find out from logs on what stat was taken with jastors?

[craggy barn]

kill everything with 1 mask

it should just be all elites and perma encounters

but saftey to kill everything

[next wedge]

is duskthread better than focusing lens?

[craggy barn]

sim situation

[next wedge]

i hate simming 😦

[vivid vessel]

Having to go to work while you could be playing outlaw all day ..

[runic bough]

i prefer it because we are mostly full hp all fight unless u get hit by mechanic.

Elemental lens have shit proc chance

everything is shit this expansion

so my motto is just get the stat stuff

like dusk

I can survive 1 shots

in up to 13's so far

its funny

extra protection from killingspree

[next wedge]

yeah i just hit 10m hp

[runic bough]

also

if u use a 7 cp charged killingspree

might as well go sleep and wake up maybe its over by then

[next wedge]

should i be trying to hit charged ks as much as possible?

[runic bough]

you donno what mechanic will be there when its over

it takes forever

[wintry solar]

nah

[next wedge]

feels bad when ks lasts 2 hours but is it a dmg boost

[runic bough]

thats another question

[wintry solar]

frankly you can ignore the supercharged CPs

[runic bough]

sometimes I see ks only hitting like a few times

[wintry solar]

just do regular build/spender

[runic bough]

and I used a lot of cp on it

and it only hit a few times

[next wedge]

lust makes ks go faster i think

[wintry solar]

it do

[runic bough]

yeah thats the only safe time to use ks

[latent belfry]

ive noticed that too

[next wedge]

i just hit 3100 io

15s are scary tho

[latent belfry]

it gets better

||im lying||

[next wedge]

tbh i only did a 15 floodgate and i fucking HATE floodgate

[runic bough]

floodgate really sucks I want to play fate in it so bad

trash and boss will kill u during ks

[next wedge]

i have wind up blindness for some reason

yea

it's just

i feel fb KiR is so much harder to execute well

[magic shuttle]

this bandit ring seems a bit insane

[wintry solar]

goes hard ngl

[runic bough]

kir fate is so much better just flow the entire time

[next wedge]

if u can avoid dying to KS then trickster so much easier to blast on

[latent belfry]

zac said something before about how important positioning is for ks and how its never smart to hold ks for too long, basically think about ks more and it gets easier to know when to use itt

[next wedge]

"can i press ks" is about 70% of my brain power in any given key

[lone spear]

its why i think the argument of "KiR is harder" is kinda irrelevant at this point. yes in a vacuum its harder to optimize than HO, but playing around KS is its own difficulty

[latent belfry]

idk how to explain anything, but i feel like after forcing myself to play with ks this season, it gotten more manageable

[next wedge]

yeah i mean i agree

KS has gotten easier, but every time i press it and it gets kinda dicey i just think man i hate KS

[jolly geyser]

its still awful

[next wedge]

just rework the spell

[lone spear]

indeed, never loose sight of the fact that the spell sucks and should be removed or reworked

[next wedge]

i also legit get dizzy in the hallway on rookery when i use it

like it's just bad design

[lone spear]

refer to the wox forum post

[latent belfry]

yeah it still sucks ass and i die eveyr other key wit it

[wintry solar]

my adr is ticking down in stealth

[cedar kernel]

have a nice day brothers

[next wedge]

i didnt see this

[cedar kernel]

after my hard working

i switch back to China timezone successfully

[lone spear]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/killing-spree-fix-concept/2088489

[cinder relic]

U know I got that shit on

[next wedge]

yes this would legit just fix everything

[wintry solar]

[next wedge]

if they want the visuals just make it look like sectech

[jolly geyser]

nzoth was a letdown

[latent belfry]

i want us to pull out a bigger gun

[jolly geyser]

if its the last of we have seen of him

[wintry solar]

okay

wtf

[latent belfry]

like a blunderbuss

[wintry solar]

@runic bough did you log into my account

????

what is this??

[runic bough]

thats normal kir lol

[random stirrup]

[lone spear]

[wintry solar]

"normal"

[jolly geyser]

Nothing like getting boe drop in raid and get 1.5mill next day

[runic bough]

ITS NOT ME

I SWEAR

[wintry solar]

RAHHHHH RYU DID THIS

[runic bough]

YOUR TRYING TO FRAME ME

[wintry solar]

NUH UH

[runic bough]

IM NOT GOING TO JAIL

[wintry solar]

https://tenor.com/view/cops-police-sirens-catching-crminals-what-you-gonna-do-gif-22472645

well would you look at that

[lone spear]

also how do we vanish on alleria without her resetting?

[cinder relic]

in between fan hits

[civic zephyr]

this needs to happen

[lone spear]

do u gotta do it mid PS?

ok yea i figured as much

[runic bough]

https://tenor.com/view/it-wasn't-me-the-mask-that-was-not-me-i-was-framed-it-was-someone-else-gif-17833876240216046012

[random stirrup]

im pretty sure i just vanish bted like normal

am i crazy

[wintry solar]

no i did the same thing

and im not crazy

[next wedge]

i have been too but on rare occasion it resets

[wintry solar]

ignore the fact I just played without uhuh

I HATE uhuh

but I gotta take it

[runic bough]

are u guys trickster on all fights except sprocket?

[magic shuttle]

ye

[runic bough]

I only like trickster on stix and gally

[wintry solar]

I need som jams chat

[magic shuttle]

if you're doing hc raid tho you can jam trickster on sprocket as well

[wintry solar]

yall run kir in visions?

[crimson thicket]

i dont change my gear so i always run kir :^)

[wintry solar]

visions give me HO vibes

[jolly geyser]

hoe

[wintry solar]

I run both with the same gear

[crimson thicket]

u cwazy

[wintry solar]

yuh

[crimson thicket]

overhasting that HO

[wintry solar]

yeahh

but I dont want to swap gear

[crimson thicket]

i feel ya chief

[wintry solar]

im at 20%

[crimson thicket]

same

[magic shuttle]

idk feels like visions is easy for either build

[runic bough]

well i just went back to KiR

but HO has more ilvl

dont care

KiR feels better

[wintry solar]

feels the same

ikik

theyre different

idc

[runic bough]

well

[civic zephyr]

but i like gambling

[runic bough]

HO gets dryer for me

Its suppose to be the opposite

so

maybe im better with kir

than hO

[wintry solar]

imma run some kir

[runic bough]

not to mention

kir 1fh has gs

[wintry solar]

I forgot how good WoWs sound design is

[runic bough]

so its also more single target

[wintry solar]

yeah I like 1 fth

[runic bough]

kir 1fh is just better for me overall

its just a few ilvls lower

to keep haste gears

[wintry solar]

you get the BESSSSSST OF BOTH WORLDS

[next wedge]

i just wish ace proc sound was more different

i waste a lot of ace procs

[magic shuttle]

ace has a unique sound tho?

[runic bough]

reload

bte is bang

ace is reload

pistol shot is a softer bang

[next wedge]

i wish it said ACE PROC DUMBASS

then i wouldnt miss it

[runic bough]

even tho pistol shot and bte are different, the same gun visual comes out.

I want the shotgun to come out or something

pistol shot can keep the small pirate gun visual

like

toon can grab long gun from back for bte

[next wedge]

tbh we need a hero tree that feels more outlaw

[runic bough]

would be easy to make it a visual

[next wedge]

fatebound is ok but the only visual is the fucking coin

[runic bough]

Outlaw didnt get any hero trees really

its just some mumbo jumbo bullshit they put together

[fluid meadow]

idk about others, but my energy sometimes is just meh, sure AR should be a bit more and ks seems low, but this energy system is so bad for avg players after some wrong ability, but the below 50 energy thing is too much with this AR uptime, so bad rotation or what can cause this that much?

[vivid vessel]

84% on ar is slightly low ye

[runic bough]

well

you know why

KS COST HALF OUR FUCKING ENERGY BAR

go figure we have no energy

[wintry solar]

well first you need to give idea a theme again

[wintry solar]

yeah

and??

its a feature to sap your energy and kill you

[runic bough]

and our finishers are 1/3 of the energy bar

so

[wintry solar]

builders are half

[runic bough]

if we do not have a chain of full cp builders we are fucked

adr will drop

and its goodnight for your damages

like single target as KIR we cant use deft so loss of cp generation there

[wintry solar]

whats the meta route

for visions

[fluid meadow]

yeah but 16% ar uptimes miss and almost 2-3 min segment in a row without energy no wae something just went wrong maybe there, have to check more logs

[inland acorn]

Dwarven --> Old town --> tp back to start or run to Trade District --> Mage Quarter --> tp back to start

You can also kill 2 guards in front of Alleria at the start and walk in to trigger the RP and then run to dwarven

[wintry solar]

nice

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[vivid vessel]

if you delete this message maybe you get an explanation

[weary cargo]

🤣

[lime lake]

too late going on reddit

[vivid vessel]

Alright bel you are blocked

[inland acorn]

too late going on reddit

[fluid meadow]

this is yours with 93% AR uptime seems too much low energy segments or maybe the graph is not correct?

[vivid vessel]

That's just outlaw

Energy is shit

[lime lake]