yep
#outlaw
gaunt phoenix
viscid perch
Twilight can still pull mobs that are out of combat?
gaunt phoenix
ya
viscid perch
Thats a big nono in m+
azure vortex
is there a usefull tinker gem for engi wrists ?
hidden bay
tulip jewel
i've never had any issus with the twilight dev range, it's not that far
gaunt phoenix
i didnt yesterday tho it is certainly possible
violet ferry
wtf ratfang going silly mode fr
weary fog
trinkets feel like theyre not scaled properly in the visions thing
geargrinders like one shots things
glass mortar
i mean
the boss has 21m hp
most trinkets do about that much damage or more
ur just looking at a fight that was probably like 10s long
if i pulled a boss and used vexie bike and then wiped after 20m damage vexie would be 50% of my dps
that thing hits for like 10m
a 30 stack magnet also does like 7-10m damage
glass mortar
trinkets feel like theyre not scaled properly in the visions thing
they just dont have any hp tbh
the mobs that being
violet ferry
Would a simming site help me determine which crafted piece I should make next?
late swallow
Would a simming site help me determine which crafted piece I should make next?
ya
raidbots
you can sim droptimizer crafted
late swallow
Didn't know it could do that
you can only do one secondary combo at a time
so you might have to run a few diff sims
violet ferry
conventional wisdom says what, Haste / Vers or Crit / Vers, right?
glass mortar
^ you could just run a sim to see what slots appear to be the biggest upgrades then use top gear to sim individual stat combos as well
you can manually add items you dont own to top gear as well
thats how i do it
yea itll be crit/vers or haste/vers combos you are looking at
late swallow
^ you could just run a sim to see what slots appear to be the biggest upgrades t...
ye this is the move
violet ferry
oh sweet!
sharp pasture
yo, whats outlaw enchant best choice?
late swallow
https://x.com/ForeverGuy5/status/1925222827218686414 <@352916297262301194>
would love to see a KS while you're targeted with the beam on cauldron
keen belfry
whats the best gif maker
young prism
are the greater enchants timegated?
gaunt phoenix
are the greater enchants timegated?
ya
keen belfry
ive had so many lowlights this tier
wanton parcel
yo, whats outlaw enchant best choice?
For the helm enchants?
Ppl say echo but Iāve had best success with twilight in m+
vivid vessel
i use screentogif
weary cargo
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
keen belfry
shareX u say
gaunt phoenix
For the helm enchants?
Ppl say echo but Iāve had best success with twilight in...
echo bugged
twilight good, but inconsistent and can pull shit
gushing almost as good and safe/consistent
swift sun
hey, does it work in raid boss ?
vivid vessel
then i can just do like a screenshot of a zone of screen
gaunt phoenix
No
vivid vessel
leaden folio
?? Xd
gaunt phoenix
violet ferry
@vivid vessel what is that plus sign weak aura that I see on your screen? Been trying to figure it out
red zinc
cause i lose my char
Try finding it
violet ferry
I mean, rogues do be stealthin'
I'm guessing that the -X- on screen is the 'out of range' indicator?
vivid vessel
wanton parcel
echo bugged
twilight good, but inconsistent and can pull shit
gushing almost a...
Safety overrated doom beam go brrrrā¦
Still havenāt tried gushing it didnāt sim too well. But Iāll give it a shot.
Didnāt they fix echo last night?
gaunt phoenix
they didnt
wanton parcel
Unfortunate
violet ferry
Blizzard is a small indie company
gaunt phoenix
what rogue spec is that
violet ferry
Dino Spec
late swallow
awangawangawangawang
brisk meadow
slam on rik evasion thingy fixed or do i need to still move out?
late swallow
oh i misread what you said mb
brisk meadow
na
late swallow
yeah it's still gonna hit ya
white marten
Not enough tempest pre-stack. Get to stacking!!
brisk meadow
https://tenor.com/view/yes-gif-3190298348264758958
gaunt phoenix
keen belfry
what rogue spec is that
its new spec on ptr
white marten
Its basically a worse outlaw rogue that pulls threat.
vapid blaze
much wow š
violet ferry
daring oxide
lol
violet ferry
daring oxide
GG
white marten
Just what i needed
sour gulch
When is Main Gauche gonna be useful
white marten
Never. Next question
gaunt phoenix
daily thing in here now
red zinc
twilight dev for best damage
vivid vessel
i dont like damage ..
red zinc
but it might do a little trolling
late swallow
but it might do a little trolling
jolly geyser
ANSWER NOW
vivid vessel
not reading cringe pin
wanton parcel
Weāre playing outlaw, trolling is in our nature
We twilight dev proc while KS. Kill ourselves and pull a pack to kill our group
late swallow
Pins should just say āask in chatā
fallen knot
tdev proc during ks into ninjapull half the istance when
white marten
All future wowhead guides to be written by AI
white marten
šš„
cinder relic
silk stirrup
hey guys, so we take twilight devastation?
red zinc
hey guys, so we {do x that I have clearly already read from the pin}
red zinc
the sims dont work zac
daring oxide
hey guys, so we take twilight devastation?
hey nymus, so we take twilight devas?
red zinc
mr vai when triple outlaw
harsh shuttle
hi :3c i searched in:outlaw "dagger" and haven't seen anything... do we need to use a dagger at all? can anyone explain why some use and some don't?
daring oxide
i can't push this week though, going to santorini for bank holiday (uk holiday weekend)
random stirrup
hi :3c i searched in:outlaw "dagger" and haven't seen anything... do we need to ...
!oh
ornate heathBOT
A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more 
Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, 
Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.
red zinc
wicked
daring oxide
mr vai when triple outlaw
are you on tonight?
white marten
Greater corruptions when?
harsh shuttle
A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it g...
ty!
red zinc
yeah but im trying to do 16/17s
azure vortex
is crafted item simulated as 687 still =
red zinc
gotta catch up slightly
keen belfry
of course vai goes into office for work
silk stirrup
hey guys, so we {do x that I have clearly already read from the pin}
Jesus christ who hurt you hahaha
I just want to confirm since I'm not sure this is the most up to date information
gaunt phoenix
i liekd the pin with the sims better
can prob override the rppm of echoing void to half and then resim
vivid vessel
cause its bugged ?
gaunt phoenix
yeah
vivid vessel
make sense
gaunt phoenix
It's 20 rppm but observing it looks more like 10
daring oxide
of course vai goes into office for work
i prefer not to š¦
split jolt
is there much difference between lesser and greater in terms of sims, do they scale
or if i sim for all the greater ones will the same result be true for the lesser
gaunt phoenix
unless something weird is happening, there shouldnt be much of a difference
candid ingot
Yo I have a kind of stupid question but does Elemental Focusing Lens procs also proc on blade flurry aoe targets ?
white marten
Should?
gaunt phoenix
shouldnt
gaunt phoenix
Yo I have a kind of stupid question but does Elemental Focusing Lens procs also...
it will most commonly go on your main target
much like any RPPM proc effect
violet ferry
gaunt phoenix
blade flurry will sometimes make it go to a random target instead of your main target
split jolt
is echoing bugged in a good way or a bad way for sims
gaunt phoenix
It's oversimming
candid ingot
blade flurry will sometimes make it go to a random target instead of your main t...
oh ok I see, ty
violet ferry
https://tenor.com/view/baby-ai-slop-ai-dance-fortnite-dance-gif-8966653987336085...
Thank you, I hate it
split jolt
also ia ssume we can get all, but is it farmable now to get all the lesser
or does handing in this quest to get one matter more
split jolt
ah
cinder relic
erm
gaunt phoenix
why
keen belfry
somnius with another take
tawdry hollow
/wa
civic void
hes the king of takes
Absolute disrespect to Ryu ngl
keen belfry
ryu is just cooked but i respec this level of cooked
late swallow
Gushy wound goated?
vapid sundial
Iād say weāre diff flavors of a similar thing
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1374599781711745024/ezgif.com-add-text.gif
frail veldt
Im not sure zeross even knows what point hes trying to make half the time
he just starts typing
sharp sand
So is twilight Dev the best
fallen knot
<@352916297262301194> numberz
can i say that this is cursed?
late swallow
Ryu has a very clear mission tho
vapid sundial
the point just doenst make sense
two sides same coin
frail veldt
honestly as fried as ryus takes are they are usually more cohesive
gaunt phoenix
So is twilight Dev the best
yes but it's inconsistent and can pull shit
late swallow
Ryu wants to end outlaw oppression
frail veldt
yes but it's inconsistent and can pull shit
oh thats super annoyoing, its free to swap enchants right?
sharp sand
Echoing void was what I saw so I grabbed that
gaunt phoenix
ya
bronze parcel
we're playing outlaw boys true ks gamers why is it a question we going twilight dev and sending it
white marten
Twilight dev all the way.
If we wipe because it pulled shit, thats a tank/ healer issue.
spark glade
!sim
white marten
Sim!
late swallow
!stim
tardy axle
!miss
white marten
!ks
vivid vessel
!uwu
tardy axle
!echoingvoidaltf4
daring oxide
we're playing outlaw boys true ks gamers why is it a question we going twilight ...
can you imagine if twilight dev procs during killing spree
ITS GONNA BE FREE FOR ALL BEAMS PULL ALL
gaunt phoenix
it can
white marten
That sounds sick af
white marten
Im def running TWilight dev
daring oxide
this pack there, that pack over there, the pack in stormwind, pack in orgramma?
runic bough
yap mode enabled
late swallow
daring oxide
runic bough
Hey guys lots of talk about another 1% gear power why everyone losing their minds
violet ferry
TDev procced during KSpree in Cinderbrew just now - it pulled a pack from the first dungeon in FFXIV
daring oxide
TDev procced during KSpree in Cinderbrew just now - it pulled a pack from the fi...
GG
white marten
Cant wait to beam on all the mobs š«š¦
runic bough
Well I think our single target sucks im gonna try gushing also for consistency by the sound of it
white marten
Man i miss shadow step
trail star
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255110288081162311/1374365469884289034/K...
HAHAHA
That gif is god
keen belfry
the point just doenst make sense
this is spot on
keen belfry
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255110288081162311/1374365469884289034/K...
wtf we have same one
runic bough
Before you go into battle do you yell Its
Awangarang Time!
daring oxide
wtf we have same one
classic
daring oxide
wtf we have same one
it wasn't me btw, I asked people to post their Killing spree videos and I was just making a ton of gifs from them for the KS memory bank
daring oxide
KiR rework when?
very soon
keen belfry
Before you go into battle do you yell ***Its
Awangarang Time!***
i can start doing this
daring oxide
should be between now and 11.2 launch
runic bough
I havnt read the little fake corruptions yet
Think I'll get gushing tho from what everyone's saying
How long til u get it less than an hour?
I will have to do it sometime this week
minor lynx
Whats people running for corruption and why
gaunt phoenix
It's either dev or gushing
dev a bit better in aoe, but inconsistent and pulls shit
slate forge
RNG spec must play RNG corruption
minor lynx
lol yeah i ran TD and EV and seems like TD was doing just a little bit more was wondering what others found
stuck sparrow
people say corruptions are too weak
runic bough
Trollingspree is bad enough don't need to make keys harder and pull still for 1% dmg proc guys
candid locust
and what about m+ ?
gaunt phoenix
dev or gushing
dev a bit better in aoe, but inconsistent and pulls shit
so
gushy is safe
slate forge
Arcane mages send orbs all the time a few TD pulls is fine
minor lynx
can gush be aplied to more then one at a time or naw
stuck sparrow
Though if you actually cared about 1-2% dps differences you wouldnt be playing outlaw
runic bough
How do we do the strike out text
covert kestrel
oh shit im about to gush
stuck sparrow
If you oull extra
gaunt phoenix
can gush be aplied to more then one at a time or naw
it doesnt stack
stuck sparrow
just blame the hunter
rich bobcat
whgat do we bvuy with dinars
covert kestrel
whgat do we bvuy with dinars
whatever sims the highest for you
covert kestrel
Frontier how r u
chillin, just got back from the gym and enjoying a nice southwestern type salad
wbu
runic bough
Just at work, it's hot summer time now. Kind of miserable until I go home.
Security is so boring
covert kestrel
Security is so boring
but you gotta keep the peace!
runic bough
Whatever jobs the young people do stay away from it.
You dont get paid for it unless ur a cop.
stuck sparrow
ryu wants to be on the news
runic bough
Gorechop is my favorite fight
There
But the chain walls can get you at certain angles it looks like your safe but your really not
fierce quest
Gearing my outlaw alt, is the 4 piece a big difference for rtb gameplay as it seems reading the description?
runic bough
This tier is whatever get it when you can. No rush.
latent oak
its quite strong, and ya u end up rolling alot more with it
u change a talent around from loaded dice to the other rtb talent that i cant remember the name of
covert kestrel
Gearing my outlaw alt, is the 4 piece a big difference for rtb gameplay as it se...
make sure you take loaded dice not slight of hand before you get 4pc
latent oak
its after, not before right?
runic bough
After
covert kestrel
oh whoops
fierce quest
Cool sound good ty
latent oak
i mixed up
how dare you!!
frail veldt
Then sleigh
white marten
Ngl i hate the current rtb logic. Its a lot of rolling and i feel like it gets in the way of the fun.
covert kestrel
Ngl i hate the current rtb logic. Its a lot of rolling and i feel like it gets i...
just kir it rolling and let the good times roll
white marten
Na i liked bfa outlaw cuz no crackshot
bronze parcel
all my combo points to rerolllllll
vapid sundial
that makes 0 sense
white marten
just kir it rolling and let the good times roll
Yeah, that might be the move
vapid sundial
you liked it when we roleld 50 times in arow
if bad rng
but not when you roll every 40s or w/e
white marten
Every 40s? Na, like every 10
bronze parcel
cd and removal of combo points on rtb is bis idc
vapid sundial
thats not even bad
gaunt phoenix
Corruptions part 3
Including some numbers again. Basically Echoing Void is oversimming, the rest should be modeled correctly on Latest.
We have 2 corruption choices right now:
Twilight Devastation is good for both ST and aoe, however it will ninjapull mobs if it travels into them. It also has a lot of variance with its proc rate.
Gushing Wound is good ST, doesn't aoe but is still good enough in keys. It's the safe and consistent option.
Echoing Void proc rate is bugged, it is 20 rppm in spell data but looks more like 10 rppm for whatever reason, even after the hotfix. The stacks can also get wasted with bad timing, I wouldn't use it.
IMO go with Gushing to be safe. Attached some sims (ST, Dslice) where I edited Echoing Void proc rate to 10 rppm, should be closer to its observed damage in game though still not totally accurate.
runic bough
Kir is only better when you are able to use kir but still like HO when kir is on cd
red zinc
what did i read
white marten
TDev for the boisssss
covert kestrel
# Corruptions part 3
Including some numbers again. Basically Echoing Void is ove...
oh my god he gushes, he admit it
white marten
We already risk our lives with KS, whats one more ability that risks the lives of the entire group?
gaunt phoenix
i await part 4
covert kestrel
i await part 4
better saga than marvel universe
runic bough
Well its not a question if your tired of wiping to stupid shit
rotund zodiac
vapid sundial
gaunt phoenix
EV doing whatever it wants regardless of its rppm and proc flag data from the client is kind of unprecedented
dont remember seeing something like this before
gaunt phoenix
luckily its some shitass corruption and not something important
quiet ore
dont remember seeing something like this before
Well, we've been told that the spell data is slowly becoming disconnected from scripted implementations
runic bough
Solo did they say why outlaw article is being delayed?
brave lagoon
Good thing my tank will already be ninja pulling with his twilight dev so if mine does I'll blame him
gaunt phoenix
I know that's true but not something as simple as rppm/procs surely
gaunt phoenix
Solo did they say why outlaw article is being delayed?
it's not, the article is done, they just stagger the releases
bronze parcel
Good thing my tank will already be ninja pulling with his twilight dev so if min...
straight facts my prot war is already running t dev im blaming him
gaunt phoenix
does it matter lol
article summary:
outlaw good when it dodges heroic week nerf, bugfixes good, ks bad, hero trees weird
quiet ore
It's probably something where the condition is being checked inside the successful proc - it has both "a chance to build" and "a chance to collapse" - the later being checked inside the already conditional proc probably reduces the effective proc rate, rather than the two chances being independent procs
gaunt phoenix
could make sense why the observed proc is around half of the rppm then
late swallow
People are saying Guy used AI to write the article
gaunt phoenix
Guy has an extremely distinct writing voice
vivid vessel
his article isnt even out
wintry solar
Well ask them why outlaw has to be last
Was hoping I'd have a nice little article to wake up to but noooo
Watch, it'll come out when I'm doing yard work. Then I'll have to read it all hot and sweat and dirty.
late swallow
Ryu the new name is really good
vivid vessel
ryucooked?
late swallow
ryucooked?
Please donāt be toxic
late swallow
gaunt phoenix
wintry solar
Broooo I gotta wait like 6 hours
vivid vessel
what does antinatalist means
wintry solar
He hates babies
runic bough
Well
hollow temple
Please donāt be toxic
yeah @vivid vessel don't be toxic. thats my job noob !
runic bough
Guy did good on Max's stream and the last bug article. So this one should be good for us too.
wintry solar
Yeah this article is the one. The other ones for the past 15 years doesn't count.
fathom bramble
I wish KS got removed years ago instead
runic bough
Was there bug fixing articles before?
wintry solar
I mean ks
fathom bramble
I feel like leaving it in the game an undertuned and never played button was just leaving a landmine for the next dev
late swallow
yeah <@352916297262301194> don't be toxic. thats my job noob !
thanks for having my back
fathom bramble
KS feedback was nothing for years other than a few scattered voices asking to talent into it again
but it was on the same row as alacrity so we never did
runic bough
It was obviously trolling the players. They never intended ks to be a good finisher.
hollow temple
thanks for having my back
late swallow
<:hellFUCKYOU:889549399326343259>
wintry solar
Ofc. It was only the capstone of combat for years
daring oxide
it's not, the article is done, they just stagger the releases
They save the best for the last (best in controversy)
vapid sundial
Ofc. It was only the capstone of combat for years
YE BRO COMBAT WAS PEAK DESIGN
I LOVE SS DISPATCH
SS
DISPATCH
SS
DISPATCH
wintry solar
Eviscerate
late swallow
I LOVE SS DISPATCH
you mean KiR without AR?
runic bough
Damn tricks flipping off a member
daring oxide
I think blizzard need to be called out for terrible accessibility considerations and lack of safety
wintry solar
SS Dispatch is good
fathom bramble
wasn't it only the capstone for like 2 expansions š¤
wintry solar
SS eviscerate BAD
late swallow
builder finisher bad
vapid sundial
eviser
late swallow
I just want to build
vapid sundial
dont forget the random SND there too!!
wintry solar
wasn't it only the capstone for like 2 expansions š¤
Idk let me ask my great grandad
vapid sundial
or popping blade flurry for attak speed!
fathom bramble
well mists of pandaria removed capstones on account of the improved talent system
daring oxide
Can you imagine how many vulnerable people have gotten seizures and epilepsy from accidentally trying out killing spree? Especially if they toggled the motion sickness and camera shake features, only to be bamboozled by the most horrendous motion ability in gaming history
fathom bramble
and it become baseline
late swallow
Can you imagine how many vulnerable people have gotten seizures and epilepsy fro...
if this actually happened you would have lawsuits
hollow temple
Damn tricks flipping off a member
this guy is obviously reaching out for a hug
runic bough
@hollow temple flipped off a member, I'd like this to be investigated
wintry solar
Greenie? More like meanie
vapid sundial
If i ever get cancer or something removing outlaw chat will be my makeawish choice
fathom bramble
SS eviscerate BAD
SS(Saber slash) Run through good
rich bobcat
guys im new to rogue the capo molten knuckles sims the best by far for me is it trustable cuz i have bad weapons and ttrinkets
late swallow
If i ever get cancer or something removing outlaw chat will be my makeawish choi...
it's pretty easy to speedrun cancer these days ngl
wintry solar
I missed legion during bfa prepatch
vapid sundial
it's pretty easy to speedrun cancer these days ngl
yeah be in outlaw chat
wintry solar
I started missing it immediately
daring oxide
Letās start a ravenholdt organised lawsuit to sue for the trauma and illness caused by a season of killing spree, I sometimes in real life feel the urge to teleport around someone every 0.2 seconds mentally when they annoy me but prevented by physical limitations
drowsy jacinth
guys im new to rogue the capo molten knuckles sims the best by far for me is it ...
capo's is great but mythic capo's is hard to access. see https://discordapp.com/channels/124169701881282560/316923682607857685/1371951025447243937
fathom bramble
it's funny to me that they removed run through via a rename, but never actually changed the animation
so it still looks super silly with anything that isn't a stab weapon and is just straight up broken for fists still
daring oxide
I unironically miss run through
Run through was basically dispatch?
late swallow
it's funny to me that they removed run through via a rename, but never actually ...
me charging the homeless dude with a traffic cone while yelling "run through"
wintry solar
Yeah
fathom bramble
Run through was basically dispatch?
the only meaningful mechanical difference was 3 extra yards of range
daring oxide
the only meaningful mechanical difference was 3 extra yards of range
Ohhhh
fathom bramble
stacking with acro
daring oxide
Jeez
vapid sundial
me charging the homeless dude with a traffic cone while yelling "run through"
i cant make the joke i want to
fuck
wintry solar
Actually pissed classic won't get beyond mop
fathom bramble
this was also during a time where a dry pistol shot wasn't completely useless
runic bough
guys im new to rogue the capo molten knuckles sims the best by far for me is it ...
Yes it is our bis this season, if you don't have a max crafted yet. Also it can be swapped in offhand with event mace with a macro.
daring oxide
Why couldnāt killing spree just use death from above animation and do some big aoe finisher hit š„²
fathom bramble
so you could spam PS and dispatch from well outside normal melee range if you had to
hollow temple
but not worth tp buy on hero
hero capo is one of the best things you can buy, if you can't buy it on mythic
cursive lichen
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
late swallow
i cant make the joke i want to
runic bough
this was also during a time where a dry pistol shot wasn't completely useless
When a boss is out of range due to mechanics I will pistol shot and bte
fathom bramble
When a boss is out of range due to mechanics I will pistol shot and bte
sure, but generating 1 cp at a time with dry pistol shots is so bad in this age of insane combo point generation
at least compared to some previous iterations of outlaw
runic bough
Tru
hollow temple
guys im new to rogue the capo molten knuckles sims the best by far for me is it ...
?
Even a heroic capo is bis offhand for ST/bosses
rich bobcat
better then 2 681 weapons?
hollow temple
Yes
ancient cobalt
vanish its a fair question i would assume gold knuckles would do nowhere as much damage as a sword or mace, it just doesnt make sense in reality
however in wow its powerful
hollow temple
And the Nightfall cudgel is bis offhand for aoe packs
hollow temple
Ye you can weapon swap in m+
rich bobcat
but i wwant optimal gear for M+ not raid
hollow temple
But I guess that depends on what your trinkets look like as well
light kernel
Does unseen blade have prio over blade flurry in crackshot windows as builder?
hollow temple
but i wwant optimal gear for M+ not raid
Ye bis for m+ is capo+cudgel, weapon swapping between bosses/aoe packs
With a 684 or 681 main hand always afaik
rich bobcat
which is cudgel
azure vortex
Hello, please help me, I'm so bad at outlaw https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/y9WVw8n7xFHbzj14?fight=last&type=damage-done How can i improve
gaunt phoenix
mace from nightfall event, there's a pinned message about it
hollow temple
which is cudgel
Itās a Champ track weapon from the Nightfall event. All of this is listed in the pins
hollow temple
Because it has an aoe proc
fathom bramble
With a 684 or 681 main hand always afaik
yeah it's almost impossible for a cantrip to overcome the very large value of mainhand weapon dps
hollow temple
That outlaw reprocs every Vanish
gaunt phoenix
offhand item level is not super important
rich bobcat
and then capo on main hand?
hollow temple
You swap between them
gaunt phoenix
you need a mythic track main hand or crafted
fathom bramble
capo main hand if you can get a mythic one
heavy shadow
I see you're recommending gushing wound... but let's face it we're all taking twilight devastion
fathom bramble
if you only have access to heroic and M+ weapons then it will be a crafted mainhand at all times and then swapping offhand between heroic capo and the nightfall eevent mace
gaunt phoenix
!log @azure vortex
hollow temple
If the sim says capo is a bigger upgrade then yes
raven socket
hollow temple
i need to be educated
Read the last 2 minutes
fathom bramble
there is a chance that a myth trinket is more of an upgrade depending on the state of your character since you only wear the capo for a part of the dungeon
tight kernel
I get a feeling that we wont get greater enchants until week 3 of visions
fathom bramble
Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel?
hollow temple
Looking at the wrong weapon then
hollow temple
Wrong weapon
crisp condor
Zealot's cudgel is not nightfall cudgel
fathom bramble
other vendor has the cool weapons
crisp condor
There's another vendor there with the nightfall stuff
rich bobcat
ooh kkek
i see it
so buy that as off hand
craft main hand
and buy dinar capo
hero
and swap between cudgel and capo?
fathom bramble
yes
a 2nd option is to buy a myth track trinket if you have all 12s completed, but the capo is cooler and you'll have 3 chips eventually anyway
fathom bramble
it just is
it might be better to go pacemaker and craft 2 weapons though
it's not easy to answer though and you can't sim weapon swapping like this
tight kernel
Okay, so we know how Spatter is bugged af and will hit targets beyong LOS..
Can TD do the same? Mainly speaking of Jails in Mugzee, could in theory that beam travel over the walls and clip boss/other add
Giving us a mini spatter like effect if good proc
rich bobcat
and then dagger as off hand or?
hybrid crown
The splash range of spatter is kinda poopy right? Or does it depend on the bosses hit box
fathom bramble
honestly going with crafted + crafted/cudgel and buying a pacemaker instead is higher itemlvl and that might honestly be more valuable to you just because it looks better in the group finder @rich bobcat
tight kernel
The splash range of spatter is kinda poopy right? Or does it depend on the bosse...
I think hit box, but yeah assa cleaves adds by hitting boss through jails
fathom bramble
and then dagger as off hand or?
yes
tight kernel
honestly going with crafted + crafted/cudgel and buying a pacemaker instead is h...
yeah I wouldnt send a dinar on heroic capo since you cant really get a myth track trinket unless vault
where you can sorta farm capo's
safe pasture
Hey how do we do the sub swap for rook I know I seen someone saying they do it before
red zinc
Hey how do we do the sub swap for rook I know I seen someone saying they do it b...
you port out using dungeon portal after 2nd boss
swap
and walk back in
fathom bramble
where you can sorta farm capo's
yeah I'm leaning trinket for this persons situation
you only wear capo like 30% of the dungeon anyway
safe pasture
Ty!
tight kernel
yeah agreed
but anyways, do we think TD corruption can cleave like spatter on Mug or not
I need big brains to answers, where is solo at
ebon reef
!macro
ornate heathBOT
Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.
red zinc
its like a .2% damage gain or something
tight kernel
still a damage gain no
tight kernel
better than not hitting adds tho?
runic bough
Zac just timed 19 Flood!
runic bough
gaunt phoenix
think the rise of KIR 1 FTH is single handedly bringing our average down
zealous plinth
you only wear capo like 30% of the dungeon anyway
Capo in Main Hand is bad? Or why just 30%?
gaunt phoenix
cause people are picking up outlaw and picking this build and are not getting it
hollow temple
Capo in Main Hand is bad? Or why just 30%?
its fine if you have mythic
to mainhand it
crisp condor
Bring back dreadblades and original KiR cooldown and let everyone keep 6 buffs up forever to make it easier, EZ
tight kernel
Capo in Main Hand is bad? Or why just 30%?
myth capos mh is good
and vex/gal wep oh i believe
zealous plinth
on myth capo mh prob bis?
tight kernel
and swap with Cudgel in keys
gaunt phoenix
if you get a mythic capo then it is your main hand
Heroic capo it is your offhand for bosses
zealous plinth
crisp condor
Is heroic capo in general > 681 crafted OH if one is drowning in sparks?
gaunt phoenix
yeah
tight kernel
yup
crisp condor
Noted
gaunt phoenix
On big pulls they are the same
tight kernel
Solo did you see what I said about TD and mug jail interaction
am i stupid
or am i cooking
gaunt phoenix
nop
tight kernel
pretty thinking td can interact with jails same way spatter does for assa. ignoring los and cleaving
ancient cobalt
guys
gaunt phoenix
it probably does but it does 1.2% of your dmg
ancient cobalt
that nightfall weapon do u have to tab target mobs or is it proc on flurry
gaunt phoenix
Huge
hollow belfry
is the trick wa macro not working anymore?
gaunt phoenix
that nightfall weapon do u have to tab target mobs or is it proc on flurry
it procs on flurry
tight kernel
that nightfall weapon do u have to tab target mobs or is it proc on flurry
bf procs it
ancient cobalt
nice
gaunt phoenix
on bigger pulls you will have to move around a bit
so bf strikes everything
once
runic bough
I want to try capo and cudgel on aoe but crafted still wins since 10ilvl higher I guess
Also the aoe effects are pretty minimal lol so makes sense ilvl would win
Only mythic capo will win over crafted at this point
I mean capo
primal wadi
Hi not sure if im missing something but is the cudgel champ track only? cant find hero version
bright crane
Champ only
fathom ravine
what is the prio of dinar spend?
tender wedge
Assuming all myth track
Mugzee capo >>>>>> everything else idk like pacemaker or minecart whistle or gally weapon >>>>>>> anything else
Unfortunately most people asking this donāt have access to those two weapons so it gets complicated
bright crane
Or you know
Just sim your available options
And if you have access to everything - pin has purchase priority
keen belfry
whas this guys?
red zinc
That boss is laggy or smth
Same thing happens after his charge
Heāll just walk back normally and still tap you sometimes
lime lake
The tracks scare me
keen belfry
tank flamed me when i asked to not tank on tracks
but like š¦
i didnt know the tailwind would kill me
warped scarab
are there any good roll the bones weakauras? playing HO build, and wodering if theres anything to highlights when to reroll based on those conditions
heavy shadow
So the vision boss can despawn on vanish, nice
red zinc
tank flamed me when i asked to not tank on tracks
i mean tbf you kinda do want to tank it there
even though it sucks
those adds can be rough
hybrid crown
are there any good roll the bones weakauras? playing HO build, and wodering if t...
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
long barn
After buying first piece of dinars, we have to wait 3 weeks? Right? 1 chip per week
violet ferry
Yar
bright crane
If youāre talking about Zacās rtb tracker
The color coding is in the wa description
And we donāt reroll on based which buff you have, itās based on the # of buffs total
HO+SC rolls on cd unless you have 5 or more buffs
gaunt phoenix
do any of those colors mean reroll, sorry im new
The colors are telling you what buffs will be lost if you press RTB
There is a concept of buffs staying behind through RTB casts
If you play the KIR build, this is very important
If you play the HO build, this doesn't matter at all
The HO build simply presses RTB any time you have less than 4 buffs active, even during stealth
warped scarab
ty!
frail veldt
And we donāt reroll on based which buff you have, itās based on the # of buffs t...
Well we reroll based off the number of buffs you will lose i.e. the number of red buffs
warped scarab
so, if our buffs include temporary buffs that proc randomly, does that count for the "less than 4 buffs active"
or does it mean 4 real rtb buffs
warped scarab
ty!
wintry solar
Then again
What if you hit a five buff roll?
5 is more than 4
What if you just sent it
gaunt phoenix
Then you don't roll
wintry solar
He didn't get it
I'm trying to get him addicted to gambling by rolling off a 4 into a 5
A 4 buff into a 5 buff with cto is like a 6 card blackjack
wintry solar
You wouldn't know unless you rolled it
God I love gambling
Casinos love me
Remember kids, never hit with 17 and above
pure folio
But what if you get a 4
pure folio
I was Talking about hitting on 17 to get 21 xD
wintry solar
Oh yeah
Well that's not likely
The house hits at 16 and under
But stays at 17 and above
It also depends on what the house and the others have
pure folio
Two 5 buffs in a row isnāt likely but a real man always rolls
wintry solar
If the house and someone else has a 5...
I got three 5 buffs in a roll
Row
Once
Cade let's play blackjack
pure folio
Yea I was playing the HO build in a dfc and rolled three in a row
It was a highlight of my outlaw career
leaden folio
maybe I'm dumb but, vexie trinket doesnt work on gallywix ?
wintry solar
The highlight of my outlaw career is when I was in a warsong gulch and we were tied and both teams decided to turtle with the enemy flag. So I stealthed to the base and watched them for a sec and noticed they were passing around OUR flag. So they let the undergeared person hold it so I CCd the whole team and bursted the guy down and returned our flag.
With 2 seconds left on the clock
Db/gsw/flag won me games
Sigh
ivory pilot
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
slate plaza
maybe I'm dumb but, vexie trinket doesnt work on gallywix ?
Some donāt
I think vexie is one of them
drowsy pebble
This might be old thinking but in KIR we dont want to use Ambush? Are we using a macro to make sure we are sinister striking?
wintry solar
No ambush ever
Just put SS in your stealth bar if you can't remember to swap when you change from HO
drowsy pebble
Thanks dude, I remember it would change on its own in bfa and we used a macro to stop it or maybe im just nuts but if its a simple swap like that then cheers!
wintry solar
You're nuts >.>
frail veldt
You include the buffs from Count the Odds
yeah tbh I recolored zacs wa so that cto buffs were also red instead of blue
frail veldt
Just put SS in your stealth bar if you can't remember to swap when you change fr...
ive forgotte to do this many times
thast what the macro is for
!ambush
ornate heathBOT
It is possible to use a macro to cast Ambush during Stealth/Audacity and Sinister Strike otherwise, instead of using the stealth bar:
/cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, bonusbar:1] Ambush ; Sinister Strike
*This is most useful to swap between HO and KIR builds without changing keybinds.
Stance swap delay is, for now, not an issue since we don't want to cast vanish into ambush anymore.
frail veldt
It is possible to use a macro to cast Ambush during Stealth/Audacity and Siniste...
@drowsy pebble
wintry solar
I simply never forget
frail veldt
you can use this if you want to avoid dealing with forgetting
frail veldt
I simply never forget
well how do you remember not to forget?
wintry solar
My brainnnnnn
warped scarab
similar macro work for bte / dispatch?
frail veldt
nope
that macro is simply a talent condition check
a macro for bte/dispatch would have to check stance
ornate heathBOT
Stance delay is caused by exiting or entering another stance,
Macros or bar swapping will have a small delay and can result in a miss fire.
In the example of the Dispatch/BtE macro it could cast a Dispatch after a Vanish> Dispatch/BtE macro.
This can also happen at the end of a stance, resulting in a BtE being sent, without your control, right as Subt/Dance expire and putting it up on cd.
iron quail
Does our main gauche cleave or flurry in any way ( is House of cards aoe value or just pure dmg )
wintry solar
It flurries
iron quail
Ty
fathom bramble
it has slightly more value in aoe(for kir) because blade flurry instant damage hits can trigger it
so it's up to 8 chances to trigger the mastery whenever you press BF
many more chances than a normal gcd
white marten
!macros
fathom bramble
since only kir builds actually take deft and press BF for combo points ho has basically the same relative mastery value on st and aoe
wintry solar
Interesting
vivid vessel
ok
fallen knot
cant stay in place
at the ugly black aoe+magnet
people die there
it's at 14% there btw
1 try where like 17ppl live and dies
but no
ok
vivid vessel
at the ugly black aoe+magnet
It's a bit hard without a guy soaking
If you take a missile
craggy barn
td is so funny
vivid vessel
You get bumped into the beams
craggy barn
no one can see ur beam sadge
feral glen
zac can u link ur wa swap wep ?
craggy barn
bad positioning
vivid vessel
zac can u link ur wa swap wep ?
Weapon swap on wagon
You should find. It
Not at pc rn
feral glen
oh thanks
craggy barn
name specific weapon swap macros wont work if u have two of the same right
warped scarab
whats weapon swap for?
fallen knot
no like
people sleep
150pulls
btw
150
150
150
with
680ilvl and 12% damage amp
craggy barn
whats weapon swap for?
craggy barn
ye
winter nacelle
helm enchant bugged?
lapis forge
How's Funhouse for Outlaw?
white marten
Is it okay to RtB during subterfuge?
craggy barn
yes
white marten
Ah okay
craggy barn
encouraged even to get supercharger up
white marten
I always waited until after
craggy barn
i think u only hold if u only have like 1 BTE left to use in subt
gaunt phoenix
helm enchant bugged?
just echoing void
craggy barn
other than the RTB rules
gaunt phoenix
How's Funhouse for Outlaw?
not great
bitter forum
gushing wounds or twillight dev? for head enchant
lime lake
yes
craggy barn
dev if u wanna see beam and some extra aoe dam
craggy barn
it can butt pull tho
white marten
Gusher unless u want to be an m+ liability and live life on the edge
craggy barn
ive had 0 issues with it so far
gaunt phoenix
gushing wounds or twillight dev? for head enchant
either one is fine
white marten
Beam is dope tho
gaunt phoenix
Dev is a bit more aoe but it risks pulling shit
craggy barn
the only REAL downside is no one else sees it
white marten
U already are
craggy barn
take all of zac's powers
craggy barn
@vivid vessel its over for u bud im gonna be super french and best outlaw
vivid vessel
runic bough
Zomb is secretly going to be studying the outlaw ways under Zac
Zac will be his Sensei
royal hollow
do we know if Twilight Devastation is gonna miss on gallywix or not
when hes in the middle
gaunt phoenix
i looked at one log andi think it worked
royal hollow
ty king
vivid vessel
i looked at one log andi think it worked
who is andi
royal hollow
dont question
craggy barn
and why do they only have one log
royal hollow
if solo trust andi i trust andi
gaunt phoenix
andi willalwaysloveyou
craggy barn
what a name
crisp condor
Is Horrific Visions progress Warband wide or char specific?
gaunt phoenix
me
royal hollow
solo is a player confirmed
leaden folio
i looked at one log andi think it worked
we didn't make it to p2 so i have to look log of other
look like it work
gaunt phoenix
nice
cinder relic
the article release dates are just random idk what the big deal is
vivid vessel
most fun spec in the game by far
lime lake
even if im ass at it
violet ferry
no you don't, Zac. It's not like you only play that spec, have no alts, are top-ranked, and create WA's for the spec
edgy phoenix
most fun spec in the game by far
frrr
leaden folio
crazy that
r1 galy play vexxie trinket and hit once https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fWrMNHktj2Jvz7XK?fight=32&type=damage-done&source=18&ability=-471059
lmao
lime lake
leaden folio
kek
white marten
Outlaw doesnt need an article, its damn near perfect atm
gaunt phoenix
Convince the shareholders
vivid vessel
leaden folio
xdd
runic bough
Bs?
vivid vessel
broadside
white marten
Damn rng
violet ferry
daring oxide
the article release dates are just random idk what the big deal is
Dunno if itās tinfoil hat but I swear the outlaw ones always come last when they do these all class/spec article releases
Saving the best for last
As always
vivid vessel
well
white marten
100%
vivid vessel
they prolly gain by releasing more popular specs first
cinder relic
ret was released today
white marten
saving the best for the least played spec in wow
cinder relic
Or excuse me
was released yesterday
And ret is the most popular psec
Its just random
vivid vessel
nvm
white marten
The gap between ret and the 2nd most played spec is bigger than the entirety of outlaws playerbase
vivid vessel
vengeance yesterady
cinder relic
Sub least popular spec
lime lake
assa was first rogue one to be released
cinder relic
was it?
white marten
Yeah assa is out