outlaw

[glass mortar]

but we have

[runic bough]

670?

[glass mortar]

12% of raid buffs, 6% more from ilvl from the super charge

yea 665-670 would be the range they were at when they killed gally i imagine

[queen crane]

is the wowhead guide for outlaw useful/correct?

[magic shuttle]

also extra damage from proc this week

[glass mortar]

dont underestimate splits

[magic shuttle]

and next week even more damage

raid is getting obliderated

[glass mortar]

yes, it should be basically identical to the FaQ

[gaunt phoenix]

it's fine, there are some things lost in translation

My #outlaw-faq should have everything

[queen crane]

tyty

[runic bough]

Solo here is the outlaw guru

The best of the best

Cream to the crop

Jazz to the band

[dusty blaze]

But so r u Ryu!

[runic bough]

Well sometimes

I think I'm playing good

And overall is noob still

Like last night's 13

[warm remnant]

yo would the lesser one still be a upgrade?

[gaunt phoenix]

well ya

[warm remnant]

but would you get set behind somehow through buying it instead of waiting for the greater one

[gaunt phoenix]

idk

the problem is not currency but the quest doesnt appear

[warm remnant]

yeah i wont be able to tell you until tomorrow but

someone in my guild told me that the greater is timegated or some shit hence the curiosity

[gaunt phoenix]

It is

but it's because the quest doesn't appear yet

It does cost some currency to buy a lesser one

probably not a big deal to farm it back

[civic void]

A full run is like 4 lesser I think so yeah

[lusty jungle]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[slate forge]

Made a potential fun event something that you can do all meaningful progress your three upgrades and less enchant in your lunch hour this time gating has to stop

[young wadi]

I just got the nightfall mace and fist weapon weapon with my token, are those good for now? What upgrades could I make (I mostly just delve and LFR)

[stiff hawk]

Its weird

Because they didnt timegate in the recent History

Buit it fits because its BFA Content

[tight kernel]

I did 3 full runs and Im at 5k

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[tight kernel]

dont worry currency isnt issue for sure

[bright crane]

Imo it’s cause they know as soon as ppl get the enchant they’ll stop running it

[covert kestrel]

yeah well its either that or people just wont touch it cause the gains are minimal til the end of the timegate

lose-lose

[icy cedar]

timegated enchant wtf

[bright crane]

My other suspicion is something is bugged with something related to the greater enchants

And they need extra time

Cause ion legit last week said they know they fucked up with the time gating and that ppl don’t like it

[jolly tapir]

so what do i play i raid HO or KIR

or dosnt matter?

[copper radish]

somehow ended up in a heroic liberation PUG and everyone is doing 99s on every boss lol

[bright crane]

So it’s weird to me they then turn around and time gate again

[glass mortar]

The one you like more

[rotund zodiac]

is the horrific vision bug right now?

I can't finish mage district for some reason

[bright crane]

There’s nothing reported but

With their track record - probably

[icy cedar]

no it works fine

[rotund zodiac]

how do you complete it

[jolly tapir]

and is the haste still thiing? like 10% for HO or 20% for KIR?

[icy cedar]

kill umbric

[bright crane]

Yeah it is

[rotund zodiac]

I cleared everything but it won't let me enter portal @icy cedar

[bright crane]

HO+SC requires more haste than the old non-SC HO build

[jolly tapir]

what is SC 😄

[bright crane]

Most sims want around 14-15% haste

Supercharger

[jolly tapir]

i see

[bright crane]

For KIR+SC, haste requirement is the same as it always was

[icy cedar]

i dont know the issue, i walk up the tower, kill umbric and leave

[covert kestrel]

i thought the acknoweldgement of the fuckup was just the buggy event not timegating

[jolly tapir]

i guees its time to check out outlaw FAW

FAQ

[rotund zodiac]

hmmm I'll try again next run

[bright crane]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/game-director-responds-to-buggy-patch-11-1-5-launch-interview-with-pc-gamer-376918

The answer, in my opinion, is a diplomatic way of saying they know their time gating is unpopular and that they goofed with how they’ve been implemented thus far

[fallen knot]

i will go crazy

legit

[covert kestrel]

yeah i mean he acknowledges the time gate but doesnt say "were not doing this in the future"

"we hear you loud and clear" is like get fuckt

[fallen knot]

fucking

people joining mythic 2/8

[bright crane]

Well yeah that’s what I’m saying

[fallen knot]

needing on myth items when they already have 684 on

happened 2 times today

on 2 of my alts

i am going insane

offered to buy them even

no response

insta offline like wtf

[prisma heron]

When you need to do mechanics etc taking away your uptime, do you guys use vanish to try to save some of the AR timer? It feels awful when I get back to the boss or pack and AR falls off

[jolly tapir]

so i quickly chjecked logs and you basically play trickster everywhere beise sprocket right

[hybrid crown]

Theres a lot to consider. Is AR almost back up? I wouldn't use vanish if it's almost back up

How long will you need to be stealthed and away from the boss?

Will any ticking damage take you out of stealth during that time

Like best case example I can think of is the dog boss in workshop

I vanish or hold ar, or if neither make sense I cloak the vent and keep dpsing

There isn't any damage during the vent standing behind the box** so you can stay in stealth the whole time and come right back with a crackshot window

[gaunt phoenix]

Last boss workshop you can vanish right before the stun and stealth will be preserved

[hybrid crown]

Yeeeee I try to do that too it's so annoying when I can't get that one 😔

[rotund zodiac]

can't enter this portal 😠

[bright crane]

I also learned the other day that you can vanish the rocket on the last boss of ML

And you avoid the damage entirely

[safe pasture]

you gota do thje obj first in that area

then there is a boss inside of it

and port after

[harsh quartz]

is andrenaline rush supposed to activate zee's?

[hybrid crown]

I think the rocket explodes if it's in air

If you vanish the moment the rocket happens the whole group gets the dot and your healer will be big mad

[wintry gate]

it also hits extremely hard, mostly lethal damage on a 12+

lol

when u vanish after its out

[sharp hinge]

it doesnt jump to someone else?

[prisma heron]

omg this and the venting flames are exactly why I came to ask this lol

[jolly tapir]

does the haste for HO build still have value after its cap?

[bright crane]

Not when you vanish when the rocket is midair. If you vanish WHILE the cast is in progress it will jump

[next shuttle]

It doesn't jump

[bright crane]

But if the cast is complete and rocket is midair, it appears to just cancel out the rocket and no damage is applied

[wintry gate]

^ that is very wrong

[next shuttle]

Very wrong

[civic void]

Don't do that lol

[hybrid crown]

You can avoid the damage on yourself if you run the rocket away as expected then vanish

[wintry gate]

you have to vanish before it finishes the cast

if you do it after ur dead

well ur group dies, not you

[prisma heron]

Man I suck at melee but outlaw is so fun lol

[sharp hinge]

melee is so easy wym

[prisma heron]

It’s a cluster f of particles

[sharp hinge]

you can turn that down

[bright crane]

https://www.method.gg/guides/dungeons/the-motherlode

. If you have a combat drop ability you can use this once the missile is away from your party to safely drop it, otherwise I recommend the targeted player pop a defensive and let the missile hit you, again just make sure the rest of your party is safely out of the explosion radius. If you don’t have a defensive you can kite the missile out, just make sure you aren’t trapped in the path of one of the bots in the process.

[copper radish]

can u loot a tier piece from end of delve?

[glass mortar]

no

[bright crane]

Tier drops are only from raid and vault

[copper radish]

dang now i gotta wait till tuesday to complete my mythic mog RIP

when do we get 1 charge a week next patch?

[bright crane]

No clue, they haven’t said

[civic void]

Yes and if you do that the rocket insta explodes and it might kill your group, you can however vanish during the cast to cancel it

[wintry gate]

yung have you tested this or are you just quoting a guide?

cus i can 100% tell you

[red zinc]

They usually uncap catalyst with .7

[wintry gate]

you have to do it before the cast

i had a guy grief me for 30 minutes in messages cus i fucked it up after the cast

[copper radish]

same for sparks, right?

[wintry gate]

a month ago

[bright crane]

I’ve done it

I’ll try it again tonight

[red zinc]

Dont think they ever uncap sparks

[copper radish]

dang RIP

another week for 1 more spark and 1 more cata lol

[civic void]

https://youtu.be/Sq9VMq6rET0?t=1743 random ml vod where it gets canceled by fd/meld if you want

[wintry gate]

wee know you can cancel it but again

you cancel cast with vanish

it doesnt ioperate the same with fd/meld/invis

[red zinc]

Yeah vanishing before cast makes the cast disappear, after cast itll blow up the rocket

[wintry gate]

vanish makes it detonates instantly on everyone if its out already

[patent agate]

same thing happening to me

[civic void]

Wdym ? It works the exact same way

You do it midcast or it explodes

[wintry gate]

im just tellijng you from myt experience

ugh ive seen ppl cancel the missile with fd after its out

so duno

[rotund zodiac]

at least it's not only me

ty for telling

[patent agate]

shows this on a fresh run like i already completed it

[rotund zodiac]

same

[patent agate]

oh well i got my enchant

[sharp hinge]

thats why yall wait until day 2 to do content, so the bugs get worked out

cant be acting surprised by this lol

small indy company remember

[wintry gate]

LOL it just happened to me on my 2nd run

i think i killed it too fast

[hybrid crown]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1krb400/what_is_blizzard_thinking_with_outlaw_rogue/

[tepid valve]

still worth using cudgel?

[glass mortar]

ok but can we normalize exploding the rocket in melee if its in melee

there is legit

zero to heal on this fight

intermission, and tank autos

healers can setup and aoe heal the rocket

😠

give them something to do

[ancient cobalt]

omg guys i opened my vaul for the first time as otl

[wintry gate]

massive stonks

[hollow temple]

pins

[copper radish]

do delves feel harder today than last week? the one undermine one felt beefy for an 11 today lmao

[ancient cobalt]

im takin the belt though guys..

[sharp hinge]

do it

[latent oak]

surely bc u already bought the capo with the dinar right?!?!?!

[rotund zodiac]

is magnet bug rn?

the stack won't reset after using it

[ancient cobalt]

nooo

[sharp hinge]

he plays with daggers

[ancient cobalt]

yaaa

[gaunt phoenix]

it's interesting

some people vehemently hate the core of outlaw

[magic shuttle]

there's quite a lot of misunderstanding surrounding how rogue does damage

[late swallow]

i miss clush

[magic shuttle]

like I saw ppl saying that assa not getting to stealth between packs is the end of the world

when in reality you just slam chains and don't care

[late swallow]

17 days without a message

did bro an hero?

[cinder relic]

"Simplify everything" when both sub and sin are at their most simple in years

[glass mortar]

if u kill a target with the first 2 projectiles (it fires 3) of a use it doesnt reset stacks

u can kinda game it for extra uses in keys

its cute but i dont think it makes it much stronger

[late swallow]

i think he's probably thinking about combat rogue

[magic shuttle]

outlaw is also fairly simple this tier

[late swallow]

since the post is about outlaw specifically

[glass mortar]

outlaw and simple really dont belong in the same sentence but we are all very biased so

[rotund zodiac]

oh that's why lol

[glass mortar]

if u think outlaw is simple idk if any spec in the game will be "hard"

maybe arcane before they massively simplified it

[magic shuttle]

I mean Ho wiothout gs is pretty simple

im not taking kir into account

[glass mortar]

sure

compared to kir

not compared to any other spec ive played this expansion

but maybe a warlock spec or something is more complex

i havent played enhance since s1 nor warlock this expac

[sharp hinge]

are we able to drop killing spree

[glass mortar]

if u also wanna drop ur aoe damage

[sharp hinge]

bruh

[magic shuttle]

tbh killing spree is the big thorn for me atm

[sharp hinge]

its not horrible, it just sucks to do with that and mechanics

[magic shuttle]

so it's horrible

you can get away with killing spree this tier because raid is not as hard

[gaunt phoenix]

It happens if the mob dies while the magnet projectiles are in the air

At high stacks, it deals damage over like 4 quick projectiles, so there is some window where you can trigger it

[magic shuttle]

but this button would be illegal on queen or silken court

[sharp hinge]

i tried it on gallywix, and i missed the soak

[gaunt phoenix]

Oops I am late

[glass mortar]

in raid u can play fatebound a bit better but ur still

i mean any fight BF is doing damage, ur losing a ton of damage playing fatebound

[magic shuttle]

fb sucks

[glass mortar]

and that is one of the fights

so yea

[magic shuttle]

i hate playing around ar bug on fatebound

[gaunt phoenix]

Gentlemen

[long barn]

lol solo… raidbots telling me to put Mh Gally and OH Gally

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[sharp hinge]

i feel like solo had news for us

[gaunt phoenix]

Does anyone have logs with echoing void

[west dirge]

would you guys say going outlaw into sprocket prog is good idea?

[glass mortar]

its fine

u gotta play fatebound so practice a bit beforehand if ur like me and havent touched it basically all season

its vanish rules are a little dif

[gaunt phoenix]

It's fine yeah

It's just st

Outlaw st is good

[west dirge]

fatebound

[glass mortar]

and if ur also playing kir because HO fatebound is our worst build ST wise, practice a lot

[gaunt phoenix]

But you cannot trickster

[glass mortar]

because KiR is at its hardest on st

[magic shuttle]

and get this weak aura for fatebound

#showtooltip Adrenaline Rush
/cancelaura Stealth
/cast Adrenaline Rush

macro*

[glass mortar]

and trying to shake off the rust of kir fatebound while progging on sprocket aint it

[west dirge]

yeah i quess sub/assa is the way then, havent touched fatebound at all, just recrafted my gear for less % haste from KiR to HO

[cinder relic]

I think a lot of the coup shit is fairly involved

[glass mortar]

well fatebound is just easier then trickster with some cringe vanish rules but they arent that hard

[magic shuttle]

it's relatively easier to track coup with ho

the big sin is that you need a weak aura to track unseen blade buffs

[cinder relic]

It just shouldn't exist imo

I mean my argument for Outlaw for a long time has been the spec needs to be dumbed down across the board

Less niche rules, less combo points

[sharp hinge]

yeah but then youll get people who complain its too easy

[cinder relic]

People will complain about everything and anything so I don't care

[sharp hinge]

true

cant make everyone happy

[quaint loom]

"I've played 9 classes at max level this expansion, 27 specs total and this is by far the worst designed spec in the game."

https://tenor.com/view/gunna-fire-writing-heat-gif-25524005

[magic shuttle]

i wouldn't mind going back to 5 cp

[hybrid crown]

Three of them were ret paladin and bm hunter

[quaint loom]

bring back shadowlands outlaw

[magic shuttle]

which version of sl outlaw xd

[quaint loom]

S2

[cinder relic]

Any of them

[wintry gate]

just bring back wod combat rogue

[quaint loom]

https://tenor.com/view/true-truth-nuke-super-truth-nova-truth-meme-gif-16889273424352737553

[magic shuttle]

idk about combat

[wintry gate]

and marked for death

[magic shuttle]

i tried cata classic version

[wintry gate]

with a bit of a spin with new abilities

[sharp hinge]

no marked for death

[quaint loom]

Any of them but the season 3 venthyr version tbh

[sharp hinge]

fuck that

[magic shuttle]

it's boring

[quaint loom]

that one was trash

[wintry gate]

mfd was the goat, wtf

[quaint loom]

MFD was goated

MFD and dreadblades

spec went downhill when they removed both

[wintry gate]

legion outlaw would be fine if its a bit more dumbed down in terms of rolling

[quaint loom]

i remember the day dreadblades got randomly taken out back that ptr cycle

[wintry gate]

i'm honestly happy enough if they rework KS

can't ask that much more

[sharp hinge]

like remove it

[cinder relic]

Dreadblades was shit until it was on RB

and then when it was on RB it was broken with KiR

[magic shuttle]

i think db is the most overrated outlaw spell

[cinder relic]

in which it turned the spec into "100% uptime of dreadblades" which is just stupidity

[magic shuttle]

sucked in sl

[cinder relic]

DB was literally terrible for a majority of its time in outlaw

[sharp hinge]

you guys like keep it rolling?

[cinder relic]

I don't like it

[magic shuttle]

when I saw legion reveal I thought it was the most boring spell

[quaint loom]

the one ptr cycle it was on restless was goated

[cinder relic]

I think theres too many quirks with it where it's the deffinition of "weakauras required for the spec"

[quaint loom]

i think it was amirdrassil raid testing

and u bugged out ur buffs to always give you cdr or crit

[sharp hinge]

isnt the SL variant of outlaw where you needed a WA for Venth BB

[cinder relic]

I mean every spec "needs" weakauras in a very broad sense

But like idk

[wintry gate]

i dont like KIR but i did get used to it at one point, HO just flows so much beter in general if you remove KS

[cinder relic]

The spec rn is a bit too busy imo

and ofc, KS sucks

[red zinc]

Void ritual might be the better lesser enchant rn @gaunt phoenix

[cinder relic]

HO i think just feels better overall

[red zinc]

Idk if that matters enough to put in pin

[west dirge]

what are those rules? i cant find them

[daring oxide]

where is outlaw mid expansion article

[red zinc]

but the diff between certain lesser/greaters varies alot

[daring oxide]

ive been dying to read it

why wowhead gatekeeeeeeeeepppppppppppppppppp

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

[magic shuttle]

in s1 i could play ho without wa but I keep a wa package whenI switch to kir

[sharp hinge]

whos our class writer

[cinder relic]

Me

[magic shuttle]

but trickster kinda changes that

[sharp hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/forrest-gump-wave-hello-hi-sup-gif-16159238468026206620

[daring oxide]

Guy tell them to send it

its time

[sharp hinge]

Outlaw rework when?

[red zinc]

people are extra upset at lizzard right now

This is the time

[daring oxide]

11.2

[red zinc]

Weaponize the hatred

[daring oxide]

yup

weaponize it hard

i felt like posting on the forums to ask if their accessibility settings would help fix killing spree

stop the camera shake

stop motion sickness

etc

inaccessible game

[runic bough]

Guys

[sharp hinge]

or make it so when we KS were immune

[red zinc]

No

[daring oxide]

i just want the ability to stop giving me seizures

[runic bough]

Come say hi to Virgil on Zac stream guys

[daring oxide]

every 10seconds

[sharp hinge]

its a step in the right direction atleast

[red zinc]

thats literally the stupidest fix they could possibly do

[daring oxide]

step in the right direction is to delete the teleport line

[echo hill]

It will be sooooo broken

[daring oxide]

just give us full control of our position

why do we have to experience seizures every 10seconds

pls

[red zinc]

Not even full control

[daring oxide]

no other game does this to their players

[red zinc]

Standing still is fine

honestly

[wintry gate]

i mean, you can play lost ark and lose your character in half the abilities

/shrug

[echo hill]

Why do we have KS when Sub got ST 😂

[wintry gate]

but it is a good time to complain

[echo hill]

That's so xd

[daring oxide]

or change killing spree to a 10min cd and make it do 20times more damage

[sharp hinge]

thats why no one plays lost ark

[red zinc]

like the biggest problem with ks is that you have no fucking clue where you’ll end up exactly

[wintry gate]

no one plays lost ark because to stay competitive you have to swipe and play 8 alts

[tight kernel]

awkward stat breakdown

[red zinc]

if you’re frozen in place at least you have some sort of clue (and counterplay)

[echo hill]

Am I the only one to keep KS because i can't use it with aoe ?

[sharp hinge]

last boss of DFC

[red zinc]

wat

[wintry gate]

what you mean with keep?

[sharp hinge]

half the damage doesnt go through

[red zinc]

sure?

[sharp hinge]

are you asking me

[echo hill]

Not using it between 2 vanish window

When vanish isn't already up

[daring oxide]

you should use KS on cd as priority

over vanish

it spreads fazed

which increases aoe damage

[echo hill]

Over BtE ?

[daring oxide]

yes

[echo hill]

Oh

Goodbye ppl

[daring oxide]

and it gives u two stacks of unseen blade

more damage

goodbye

[vapid blaze]

can outlaw grapple the goons on mugzee?

like buffer it abit like rescue

[daring oxide]

are you a porter fan?

[red zinc]

dont say that word

[daring oxide]

yes

[echo hill]

Yes sir !

[red zinc]

g**n is a banned word on this app

[daring oxide]

same i see him live often

[vapid blaze]

how tight is it
like risk wise

[daring oxide]

goon

are you sure its banned?@

cos moroes didn't ping me

[echo hill]

I got tickets to saw him in Paris but can't go to the show ..'

Sooo sad

[daring oxide]

ah unluck, its really good, especially russian roulette live

or musician or shelter etc

all the goldens

[echo hill]

Did he play beings (Shelter edit) ?

[sharp hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-i-love-gold-goldmember-gif-19735343

[red zinc]

Not by this discord

zac got his goon clan tag taken away

[thorn river]

any1 knows what the horn sound is in zac's WA pack ?

[red zinc]

Because discord itself said it was illegal

[sharp hinge]

why would it be illegal

[vivid vessel]

this one tho

is fine

400k members in it btw

[red zinc]

That bypasses filter

[vivid vessel]

the goon one had like 100 members top

well

[red zinc]

[daring oxide]

no he doesn't play it at the live shows, but he played it at secret sky stream

[vivid vessel]

its filtered

[sharp hinge]

instagon

[vivid vessel]

but you saw

[red zinc]

i didnt

[jolly geyser]

PH should be fine?

[red zinc]

guess not

[daring oxide]

how do you get these tags lol

[sharp hinge]

join the discord

[daring oxide]

what if i make my own

[sharp hinge]

[red zinc]

not fire

[jolly geyser]

not all got em

the tags

[thorn river]

@vivid vessel what is the horn sound in ur WA pack ?

[echo hill]

Sadge, this is one of his best song ever to me

[hollow temple]

noob

[hollow temple]

[echo hill]

So do we have to KS on CD when outside of Subterfuge windows ?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[thorn river]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[vivid vessel]

its end of subt

[vivid vessel]

yes

[echo hill]

Thank you !

[hollow temple]

[gaunt phoenix]

echoing void is 20 rppm hasted in its spell data tho im not sure its actually that high

[vivid vessel]

honeslty

i knew i had 50/50 chance of hitting the trigger

took my chances

im a player

gambler

you know how it is

[hollow temple]

Oh you mean the filter?

I just wanted to show off some emotes I found

[gaunt phoenix]

this dude gained echoing void for the whole pull and it never popped

[hushed mica]

why rogue in my m+ group was taking damage from killing spree?

[gaunt phoenix]

all damage you take during killing spree animation is instead staggered to you over 8s

[wintry gate]

its the staggered dmg

what solo said

[vivid vessel]

i see

[hushed mica]

that's actualy cool, yet 2m/s with at least 40% reduction was insane XD

[hollow temple]

@copper radish

[daring oxide]

I guess its bugged xd

[runic bough]

Yo trickz

[daring oxide]

but whats wow releasing new content broken is nothing new

[hollow temple]

hi

[daring oxide]

Maybe gushing wounds is the better option for reliability?

[runic bough]

What build do u play in pvp trickz

I havnt pvp'd yet

Spend all my time in keys

Lfg takes forever

[hollow temple]

For outlaw?

[daring oxide]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/corruptions-and-tech-tree-timegated-for-week-1-revisited-horrific-visions-are-376945

LOL

[hollow temple]

It’s very similar to pve ST builds but you can play fatebound. Though we play KS even with fatebound in pvp

[daring oxide]

whats up with all these timegates

[hollow temple]

Because KS isn’t aids in pvp

[runic bough]

Yeah

I get it

Ks was originally pvp

But then we got trolled and they made it hero talented

[civic void]

I might be wrong but I think the buff you wanna look at is called The End is Coming

[runic bough]

I am kinda wanting to make an orc for pvp

Stun resistance

[cinder relic]

I don't decide sadly

I could ask but

Were almost there at this point lol

[gaunt phoenix]

that's void ritual

[shrewd badger]

guys can somebody help me with my outlaw rogue in version 10.2.7

[gaunt phoenix]

what?

[shrewd badger]

everything

[gaunt phoenix]

10.2.7 private server?

[shrewd badger]

im totaly lost

yea

[civic void]

My bad I somehow made up void ritual in my mind instead of echoing ...

[shrewd badger]

its privete server

[hollow temple]

[glass mortar]

of course

is it gusher angle

this looks cringe

i can imagine all types of cringe scenarios u waste all ur echoing void stacks

gusher never betrays you

[shrewd badger]

if you can help i can come vc 1

[glass mortar]

echoing void also requires being within 15 yards when its doing damage yea?

not the most limiting but still abit cringe

[echo hill]

Do we use Coup de grace over Vanish in aoe situations ?

[glass mortar]

yes

[gaunt phoenix]

echoing void proc rate looks a bit weird so it might be extra bad

will have some investigation over the week

[high sluice]

bring back bfa versions

i want twilght dev to be 60% of my damage

[sharp hinge]

no more slot machine rng dps please

[vivid vessel]

seems to be way lower damage tho

CAN I SEND

BRO

[red zinc]

you can sell them for 1 gold end of season

massive

[sullen narwhal]

It's a bit nuts how much better trick is at aoe compared to fate

[vivid vessel]

ye 20%

[sullen narwhal]

What's the max damage for blade flurry with trick? 80%?

[gaunt phoenix]

120%

with 2 target

[sullen narwhal]

I think it's 50 base, then you add 10 with grand melee, and 20 with trick

[gaunt phoenix]

(base + precise cuts) * gm * nimble

(0.5 + 0.3) * 1.2 * 1.25

Grand melee is 20% multiplicative now

[calm osprey]

So you're telling me we do more dps to the off-target in 2 target cleave?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[sullen narwhal]

Wait, so you can hit aoe targets harder than the main?

[sharp hinge]

ill buy for 1k gold each

[glass mortar]

With gm up yea

[sullen narwhal]

Damn

[glass mortar]

Just a second target on 2t

[sullen narwhal]

It's like reverse prio damage

[glass mortar]

Pc value falls with each addition

Yea

[sullen narwhal]

But without sacrificing prio

[glass mortar]

Well

[calm osprey]

Damn that's good to know. I should stop target swapping on OAB

[glass mortar]

U sacrificed prio to take pc

[sullen narwhal]

Though outlaw doesn't really have much funnel

[glass mortar]

Alot of it

[gaunt phoenix]

that's why on priory first boss you deal omegafuck dmg

With pc

[glass mortar]

There is no way to get pc without dropping 6-10% st/prio damage

[magic shuttle]

regardless I see pc being taken in big pull keys like cinderbrew

[glass mortar]

Yes

Its stacked af in aoe

Unfortunatly

[vivid vine]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[sullen narwhal]

Wouldn't it get worse with bigger pulls?

[magic shuttle]

ye but it gains value when pack starts dying

[runic bough]

Zac starting high key priory if anyone wants to watch

Bang bang

[random stirrup]

@gaunt phoenix apparently the hotfixes for the enchants didnt make to live

echoing void beans

[copper radish]

i think im one 12 and one 13 off from 3k... so close

[vagrant olive]

how accurate do you think raidbots is with telling me to replace cyrce's signet?

[vagrant olive]

good luck man, got my 3k last night

[copper radish]

hell yeah! idk what to do after that 3k and 8/8 heroic im all gamed out lol

[vagrant olive]

horrific visions!

[runic bough]

Nah

Keep climbing

Besides trollololingspree we probably not gonna be this strong again

We are stronger than they want us to be right now

Good time to play outlaw

[late swallow]

what does this mean

stronger than they want us to be?

[runic bough]

We were tuned with bf not working correctly

They havnt tuned us again since the bug fix

We are lucky right now

Outlaw have history of being bullied with tuning so

Don't expect us to stay strong forever

If ks was removed we would be zooming

[reef forge]

outlaw has to be the strongest class on first boss top

[patent mirage]

strong?

[runic bough]

Yeah I mean even I can hit 10mil aoe

[patent mirage]

strong , might be , broken that needs nerfs , not even

[runic bough]

According to blazzerd though they like to keep our aoe like 25% of everyone else.

So we are hitting higher after the unexpected bug fix right now

[patent mirage]

still no need for nerfs

so

[runic bough]

Yes true

[patent mirage]

and then again

we lost the coup bug

[runic bough]

But ask why blazzerd keeps bullying outlaw

[patent mirage]

because

targets caps were a lazy way of turning classes

[stray star]

we only get the lesser version of corruption this week ?

[keen belfry]

WHO IS BINGUSGUPPY

[runic bough]

AWANG

[random stirrup]

[runic bough]

YOUR CHEATING ON OUTLAW HUH AWANG

[novel socket]

and this the forbidden reddit knowledge

that we lack

[keen belfry]

UR BINGUS GUPPY

[novel socket]

to achieve unlimited power

[random stirrup]

yea u like the name

[leaden folio]

no need adrealine rush, just go 30% haste

[random stirrup]

i think its a cook

[haughty wigeon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1361119808577474671.webp?size=96&animated=true

[gaunt phoenix]

i don't think that's true

[runic bough]

Ok

Time to craft haste guys

[novel socket]

30% unbuffed haste

[dreamy pecan]

!kir

[ornate heath]

KIR build compared to HO:

• doesn't use ambush, uses the same builder priority inside and outside of stealth
• is more cp efficient with pistol shot usage (see faq)
• use the new Supercharger talent which impact rtb rules (see faq)
• has to use KIR itself as soon as you hit 4 buffs from RTB/CTO
• has an additional reroll logic after pressing KIR (see faq)
• is more punishing if you mess up builder priority at a given moment
• require more haste (!haste) due to not taking tak'em talent

[novel socket]

forbidden knowledge

[dreamy pecan]

😈

[random stirrup]

maybe not the hotfixes

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah echoing void proc rate looks weird

[magic shuttle]

guess we gush9ing wounds in the meantime

[bright crane]

Seems to effect rogue and dh

Why am I not surprised

shakes fist at shareholders

[vivid vessel]

?

xd

they forgot

to drop

class changes

again

[red zinc]

there wont be any bud

stop expecting it

[leaden folio]

11.1.7 we have a belt

but only 1 month after a timegate

[red zinc]

idk man that belt still seems pretty poor

[leaden folio]

on a timegate event that is bug

[haughty wigeon]

no class changes

just casual stuff

gg

[red zinc]

guess you take it just for the 20ilvls of main stat

but those procs are horrid

[leaden folio]

1000 item on housing

gg

[lime lake]

Good

[cedar kernel]

when can we buy houses

i cant wait the situation that i cant afford to a house then i have to sleep with my bros

[runic bough]

Why everyone cares about all these nano size upgrades like it's the end of the world not to get it yet

[bright crane]

The American housing economy is so bad that the only home ill buy will be in a video game

[runic bough]

Chill guys

I think this will be my first season ever to get into high keys

Thank guy for the bug fix and the article to at least give us that this season.

[hollow temple]

it happens usually when you are snared/rooted or you get cancelled

[fathom bramble]

I think nailgun in floodgate is the only root that currently bugs it out

[runic bough]

Yes

[fathom bramble]

it's suppose to just dispel roots, but something about being a dot that applies a root is breaking it

[runic bough]

Flood trash ks is broken often

Its nail gun likely

[fathom bramble]

the bug also happens if any mob is evading nearby

or if the initial hit of KS is parried

[white marten]

What corruptions are you guys picking up ?

[fierce sinew]

so we are gushing/tdev gamers for ST/AOE till they figure out echoing then?

[gaunt phoenix]

Idk prob twilight dev atm

[runic bough]

Also the contraption roots us, which is a known ks stopper

[white marten]

tdev ? nice

rogues finally have a visual aility

[fierce sinew]

just ran a 15 with echoing, it did 26k dps overall

[runic bough]

Lol

[gaunt phoenix]

The proc rate seems like 10 rppm instead of 20

[violet ferry]

Yeah, echoing is not doing great at the moment

[runic bough]

Proc rating is bad on everything should have expected it guys

No cap

Fr fr

[fathom bramble]

it wouldn't surprise me if such a high rppm is just breaking it

we basically never see effects above 10

[violet ferry]

Echoing Void from a +6 (don't judge me lol)

[fathom bramble]

did you happen to log this?

I want to look at the proc rate

[frail veldt]

is this even worth over a crafted ring?

Haste slanted seems like itd be not great for bis

[fathom bramble]

could be worth in some setups

mostly thanks to 3 more ilvl

[random stirrup]

better have a way to drop a lot of haste

[fathom bramble]

but a crafted should be better most of the time

[frail veldt]

thats my issue

I can only drop haste for more crit

I cant drop haste for vers

[fathom bramble]

if you have a very high amount of vers already then maybe

idk if you have no other good choices I would just take the loop to have it on hand

even if you never wear it

[next wedge]

is a turbo boosted ring better than circlet in ST yet

[fathom bramble]

or only wear it briefly next tier

[fathom bramble]

a non-turbo boosted ring could beat circlet in ST

[next wedge]

i gotta craft one today then damn

how do corruptions affect us?

[sullen narwhal]

How many tb of space do you have?

[sullen wyvern]

are we able to unlock major corruptions this week or na?

[stiff glade]

Yeah, those are fair enough, but this was during a boss fight. Ended up just being a parry though

[frail veldt]

Yeah its either loop or socket, I currently have champ track roulette wheel and its so hard to beat

[frail veldt]

circlet barely outsims a champ track roulette wheel for me(crit/vers)

[gaunt phoenix]

Cant

[violet ferry]

I think so - what can I give you so you can look at it?

[gaunt phoenix]

Lok look in simc server, someone posted a bunch of echoing logs

[frail veldt]

aite yeah shuffling stuff around I think I can make it valuable. Tried to keep haste about the same 18.9->19.2 so some of that 0.4% could come from gaining some overall haste in the shuffling
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vfLswrWrNWhysBfhm7ETGg

[fathom bramble]

good vault

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[frail veldt]

noice

[magic shuttle]

I'm getting that for sure

[fathom bramble]

don't need to apparently

ty though

[bright crane]

Welcome to the bis chest club

[fathom bramble]

now I need to recraft my embellishment somewhere else

love valor stones

[gaunt phoenix]

[frail veldt]

valorstones are so ass

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[bright crane]

All the homies hate valorstones

[tight kernel]

So echoing void is buns huh

[gaunt phoenix]

Ye

[tight kernel]

trying to decide what would be btter td or gw

[fathom bramble]

it just isn't procing as much as it should for some reason

idk

[gaunt phoenix]

Well it's like 1.4% dps either way

[bright crane]

NA QA session

[gaunt phoenix]

at the moment

id go td

[frail veldt]

jeaaaalous

I might recraft my bracers to engi tbh

[tight kernel]

haste is nuts on it right?

[red zinc]

i just need tier chest honestly

[gaunt phoenix]

nuts on what

[red zinc]

after that im pretty much done

[tight kernel]

oh nvm i thought engi bracers had haste

ignore that im dumb

but engi bracer statement stands

[fathom bramble]

those perfect stairs make it look like it has an icd

[violet ferry]

Those are every 6 seconds-ish

[novel socket]

what for

[violet ferry]

the consistent ones anyway

[novel socket]

since we have bres from an item anymore

[gaunt phoenix]

engi bracers are full vers

[glass mortar]

theres a few times it breaks the stairs tho

[novel socket]

oh

[fathom bramble]

engineering items are full of 1 stat

look at this

it's perfect

[novel socket]

do we still want to stack more vers after we reach the negative % level ?

like with flask i'm already at -10% efficiency

[glass mortar]

yes

[fathom bramble]

that's true

[glass mortar]

in order for DRs to really matter ur stats need to do something

[fathom bramble]

I feel like we expect it to never actually make these perfect stairs though idk

[glass mortar]

i was gunna say the stairs could just be the case that thats when its proc rate is nearly maximized

the BLP built into it must be omega high if its 20 rppm

that is an unhinged number

[hybrid crown]

You can sim to tell if it's worth

[glass mortar]

thats high enough theres probably specs in the game simply not attack frequently enough to approach its rppm

even with how the system works

[fathom bramble]

we should be hitting fast enough to have it be more random than that though

[glass mortar]

yes we should

[fathom bramble]

we hit every 0.8 seconds after all

[glass mortar]

so if it isnt reaching that for us

theres probably something else going on

it should be shooting up a couple stacks in a second or two more often at 20 rppm

not sure i love the idea of using twilight dev instead tho that shit is like 1 rppm

i forgot how much i loved corruptions

[fathom bramble]

only corruption I liked was ineffable

[glass mortar]

i played a stat class

[fathom bramble]

and they reworked cooldown recovery rate because of it

[glass mortar]

we just took stat corruptions

[fathom bramble]

and now cdrr is shit for us

[gaunt phoenix]

the damage is so low im not really worried about

[glass mortar]

200% mastery fire mago

[gaunt phoenix]

consistency

This is 1 iteration in simc

see how fast it could get 20 stacks

[glass mortar]

ya

i think

hmm is it possible that it can still proc while its consuming

but that should show as a flat line even in logs

[gaunt phoenix]

it doesnt

[glass mortar]

well i got boots and catad them

now i just need to craft a neck, swap it crit, swap my bracers and belt to haste, swap my enchants to haste and 2 sockets to haste

and these boots can be an upgrade

[fierce sinew]

just tested tdev in a 12...80k overall

procs are super erratic tho

[cedar kernel]

what is cdrr?

[primal wadi]

is it me or the trinkets this season feel really "meh" for outlaw?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya trinkets are garbo

[dawn tundra]

So, not sure if this is intended or not, but there appears to be a bug where Vanish causes Alleria to despawn.

[fathom bramble]

cooldown recovery rate

[fierce sinew]

pretty sure its always been like that

[ember goblet]

what could be some tips on increasing your ADR uptime?

[next wedge]

send more finishers

uptime and abc

[dawn tundra]

Has it? Well that's dumb.

[glass mortar]

do everything a bit better

AR uptime is downwind of the whole rotation unfortunatly

its hard to point out any specific thing to fix it

!commonerrors

[ornate heath]

Common errors for Outlaw -> see this answer in the FAQ.

[glass mortar]

reading that can also help

[next wedge]

for smaller pull dungeons should i be swapping from count the odds to precise cuts

like priory for example

[glass mortar]

the recommended build plays cto and PC (drops ghostly)

but u should probably be playing PC in every dungeon its just too strong

[bright crane]

Man

There was a time where “pc is just too strong” would never be uttered

What a world we live in

[glass mortar]

its not good

gross

sick nasty

[next wedge]

wow dropping gs is good?

[glass mortar]

delet talent (bake it in baseline)

for overalls yes

for ST no

but u gain so much overall its hard to not do

[next wedge]

whats the avg loss from dropping cto for gs + pc

[frail veldt]

its a gain

but cto plays better

[glass mortar]

its not recommended but idk what u mean

[frail veldt]

I think technically GS + PC is sliiiightly better than CtO + PC

[glass mortar]

cto ur dropping aoe and ST to gain PC for a bit of below target cap aoe

seems like a mistake

[gaunt phoenix]

Pc does infinite dmg

use it pls

[frail veldt]

but yeah either way you should always run PC

esp now that the bug is fixed

[glass mortar]

no cto is suffering

[frail veldt]

I agree

[gaunt phoenix]

CTO significantly improves rng

[next wedge]

i also agree

[frail veldt]

but lots of top HOers play no cto

well, "lots"

[gaunt phoenix]

CTO + PC vs GS + PC is similar overall

[frail veldt]

but ive seen it

^

[next wedge]

wow im happy to take a button away from my bar tbh

just feels so wrong

[gaunt phoenix]

removing gs is also highkey

[frail veldt]

no GS plays great

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck gs

[haughty wigeon]

i mean i dont se why

cause no cto

[gaunt phoenix]

very energy comfortable

[frail veldt]

more prio

[haughty wigeon]

sounds like giga aids

[frail veldt]

more boss damage

[haughty wigeon]

on a mechanical level

ya more dam

sure

but your sacing qol and becoming more rng dependent

by sacking cto

[glass mortar]

dropping ghostly is eating a flat ~10% st loss

[frail veldt]

Im aware

im not arguing for it

[glass mortar]

and u can take that as 10% prio as well

🙂

its just

[haughty wigeon]

for how much prio dam gain?

[frail veldt]

I just know people do it

[next wedge]

getting a 5 roll and no bt makes me want to cry

[haughty wigeon]

i know your not arguing for it

[frail veldt]

probably a good amount

10%

[haughty wigeon]

i just like

[gaunt phoenix]

or a 5 roll without RP is -20% dmg

[haughty wigeon]

cant rationalize it myself

[glass mortar]

ghostly is 10-12% ST

[frail veldt]

lol tru

[glass mortar]

flat out

[frail veldt]

ah then so probably only 5ish %

more prio

[haughty wigeon]

gs is lame

[frail veldt]

I agree

[daring oxide]

true, looking forward to it though!

[frail veldt]

it costs too much energy for being ogcd

[glass mortar]

well it would be like 10% more prio wdym

why would it be less prio then it is st

[haughty wigeon]

that and its boring

[frail veldt]

Id rather have GS be on gcd and give max cps or something

[glass mortar]

prio is just what is ur ST damage while ur aoeing

[frail veldt]

no cuz you lose cto

[haughty wigeon]

idk if its nostalgia talking

[glass mortar]

oh yea to take PC stll

[frail veldt]

yeah

[glass mortar]

sure so its like 6% more then dropping CtO

but CtyO also makes u lose damage at... all target counts

[frail veldt]

ye

[haughty wigeon]

but i lowkey miss when gs effected trinket damage so u can have nutty meme trinket stuff

[glass mortar]

so it feels kinda silly to give up for PC

[frail veldt]

and take mental damage

[daring oxide]

huh what?

[haughty wigeon]

anywho

[sharp sand]

Mewo is pro

[haughty wigeon]

wtb mark for death again

exchange for gs

[next wedge]

wtb ks rework

will sell whole spec for ks rework

[frail veldt]

My dream for KS is that they keep it as a flashy finisher that does a lot of damage

but no more loss of control bs

even if it was a channel that I could move during id be fine

like fist of fury type shit

[next wedge]

i feel like they could just do the thing that havoc does

[frail veldt]

that might buff it too much though

cuz then it would be 1 gcd

instead of 3-4

[next wedge]

add a channel then like u said

[frail veldt]

yeah exactly

[glass mortar]

MfD should be

[frail veldt]

or just a looooong gcd

[glass mortar]

ghostly strike

remove the damage amp

make it gen 4-5 cp

[frail veldt]

so we can still kick during it

[glass mortar]

ez

reduce energy cost to ~10-20

[primal wadi]

I don't know why they didnt kept DfA instead of KS, or even blade rush

[grave cargo]

do we care about which corruption to use?

[frail veldt]

they needed a finisher that was similar to sec tech

[next wedge]

i dont even mind if it's high risk high reward

[glass mortar]

nah

[frail veldt]

as logn as the risk isnt rng

[glass mortar]

there is no excuses for it

high risk high reward can work

if ur s2m

[frail veldt]

I thikn the worst change they could do

[glass mortar]

u use it once a fight

[frail veldt]

is buff KS more

[next wedge]

like if it basically stuns us like it does now, just without the seizure

[glass mortar]

u cast ks 50 times a fight

thats not fun nor engaging

[frail veldt]

fuck that

[glass mortar]

u cant outplay the rng teleports other then just not pressing the rotational ability and losing dps

its

no excuses for this wotlk ass spell

[haughty wigeon]

this sadly

[frail veldt]

the risk should be combatable with skill

[next wedge]

maybe im just bargaining with blizz

[frail veldt]

if its just rng

[haughty wigeon]

hero talents effecting 2 specs was a mistake

cause every trigger have to be simliar

for paladin

[frail veldt]

Yeah I just dont think thats even a solution so I dont want to entertain it

[haughty wigeon]

templar is wake of ashes/eye of tyr (eye of tyr kinda poopy)

[frail veldt]

im fine with being locked out of other dps buttons if they want KS to be a "break" from our rotation

[haughty wigeon]

herald is wake of ashes/ lights prism (lights hammer died for hpal btw)

[frail veldt]

but I dont want to be locked out of movement/kicking/etc

[next wedge]

echoing void i think

[gaunt phoenix]

nah echoing void is bugged

[real yew]

So, still void or we should go twillight?

[gaunt phoenix]

For now twilight dev or gushing

[real yew]

ty

[craggy barn]

whats bugged about it

[fathom bramble]

it just isn't triggering as much as it should

[gaunt phoenix]

proc rate is like half as much as expected

[fathom bramble]

for some reason

[magic shuttle]

Seems like tdev is the play

[next wedge]

is there going to be any big dmg between corruptuons for ST vs AOE

like big enough to swap

[tight kernel]

eh

[magic shuttle]

Looking at the pins seems like nah

[next wedge]

oh i didnt see new pin smh

[glass mortar]

wait how does

twilight dev sim dog at 5 target PW, ok ST, and amazing at dslice

if its not scaling well with aoe what is pushing it up past gushing on dslice

[next wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/it-just-works-todd-howard-fallout-skyrim-bethesda-gif-14816629

[bright crane]

Does tdev pull out of combat mobs?

[glass mortar]

@gaunt phoenix thoughts?

[storm drum]

it doesnt make all that much sense lol ....so echoing void or what for playing both assa and outlaw in raid and keys???

[cinder relic]

Just buy multiple enchants

they are cheap

[storm drum]

kk but so gushing for outlaw?

oops nah twighlight dev is the move for outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

Twilight dev has strange scaling

or so im told

[storm drum]

Thats why im here lol to see what to buy i just finished the quest to buy the enchant

[gaunt phoenix]

It scales downward by 0.65x for each target hit

[storm drum]

and you are saying i can buy multiples?

[limpid plank]

top healer on cauldron heroic

[gaunt phoenix]

You cant get the Greater enchants anyway, so current corruptions are kind of worth fuck all

but yes you can get multiple

[storm drum]

wait so for outlaw its twighlight dev or gushing?

[tranquil hemlock]

tf is that lmao