It only happens in outdoors content tho
#outlaw
vivid vessel
vivid vine
thank you
tulip jewel
wish they’d fix ground effects not showing on uneven ground
stuck timber
guys I got curve and I won't be doing mythic raid I guess. I wanna spend my cartel chips. I think I should buy a trinket. What are your suggestions
both my trinkets are max hero level
sage zodiac
I would like to ask, when should "impulse" be used? Is it necessary to use "disappear" when there is no "impulse" to cover it?
patent igloo
@vivid vessel (or anyone) I've been watching your logs and vod for Gallywix mm and I noticed that my SS and PS casts are so low, like, you got almost x2 compared to me, I'm missing something but idk what is it, any ideas? (First log is mine 2nd is yours)
proven tiger
So in ST I want Cyrce ring and in M+ I dont want it, yes ?
civic void
<@352916297262301194> (or anyone) I've been watching your logs and vod for Gally...
You are pressing ambush
leaden folio
bfa vision was like easy.
just you need to progress more with special talent tree. and it was not grinding but timegate by the level of the cloack 💀
civic void
You are either not playing the same talents or have some issues with stealth bar
patent igloo
You are pressing ambush
oh, fml, I didn't change it from stealth bar, was playing HO 2 days ago, ffs
I didn't notice
quasi notch
Man Can we get a dice roll that uncaps aoe
vivid vessel
oh, fml, I didn't change it from stealth bar, was playing HO 2 days ago, ffs
!ambush
ornate heathBOT
It is possible to use a macro to cast Ambush during Stealth/Audacity and Sinister Strike otherwise, instead of using the stealth bar:
/cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, bonusbar:1] Ambush ; Sinister Strike
*This is most useful to swap between HO and KIR builds without changing keybinds.
Stance swap delay is, for now, not an issue since we don't want to cast vanish into ambush anymore.
patent igloo
ooooh, god, I didn't know about that one, thanks man, love you guys
quasi notch
I’m tired of people not understanding how damage profiles work
tulip jewel
does it exhaust you?
stuck timber
umm doesnt sinister strike becomes ambush when we got hidden opportunity?
mighty pivot
only for audacity procs
stuck timber
we shouldn't use ambush in any other situation right? so whats the point of macro
mighty pivot
you ambush in subterfuge
civic void
*if you aren't playing kir
mighty pivot
well kir doesn't have audacity anyway
vivid vessel
S1 I think
Or well I try ho every season
Just so I know
How to play it
And shit
red zinc
they gonna overbuff ambush one of these days and ill reroll aug
atomic dirge
In full single target bosses, is it recommended to use the magnet on cd? Or do we accumulate stacks before using it?
red zinc
In full single target bosses, is it recommended to use the magnet on cd? Or do w...
Depends on the boss
You hold for damage amps like last boss rookery, big momma, etc
otherwise on cd or holding makes no difference
atomic dirge
Raid bosses like mugzee
red zinc
Just dont overcap stacks and you’ll be fine
stuck timber
you ambush in subterfuge
oh when we dont have enough combo points for between the eyes right??? man you are a life saver I didnt even think about it
so what is the macro exactly
red zinc
vivid vessel
oh when we dont have enough combo points for between the eyes right??? man you ...
What else would you be using as a builder
stuck timber
sinister strike
I tought I'll be using bte in subterfuge anyway what is the point of a macro for ambush lol
mighty pivot
just always proc ace
vivid vessel
So ye hidden opportunity builds will press ambush as a builder
brave adder
if i got Coupe de Grace use is on full combopoints or 1 ?
vivid vessel
Whatever combo points you can get to without pressing sinister strike
brave adder
Okay
buoyant stratus
Gonna play outlaw on reclear for funsies this week, any bosses, besides sprocket where killing spree is banned
Dont think so right? Or is there some stuff thats a certified fuck ks moment
Probably mugzee intermission
And bombs...
Hmmm
wintry solar
they gonna overbuff ambush one of these days and ill reroll aug
Kir with ambush 
quasi notch
Kaspion is it you in the first clip too
weary fog
nah thats not my clip i just have some saved
quasi notch
That’s the reason we get a bad rep
hidden bay
this ones better
Banger next season waiting
thorn forge
Hello fellas! Im currently new to rogue and I would like to smash 1.8 for that nice skull set. But I dont know what spec should I roll. Most fun seems outlaw but idk how great is outlaw in pvp. What spec is currently like insanly good for 2v2 or shufle? Can you advice me what speac to learn to have fun and push rating good and not struggle?
crimson thicket
Dont think so right? Or is there some stuff thats a certified fuck ks moment
If you do mugzee with killing spree you're my hero
opal raven
does anyone have a gif image of Killing Spree
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1014354035526090843/1255113639950553108/tww-killing-spree.gif
daring oxide
beautiful
daring oxide
made this into a gif for ya
weary fog
phenomenal work
daring oxide
no u
linked the material
i just clicked one button
im trying to teach non outlaw rogues the pain we have to go through
need more clips if people have please ❤️
weary fog
I forgot who posted the clip originally but I’m pretty sure i got it from here
weary fog
im trying to teach non outlaw rogues the pain we have to go through
This is why I send KS on as many targeted frontals as possible lol
daring oxide
same
weary fog
People go “wtf rogue” and I’m just like “
killing spree”
vivid vessel
does anyone have a gif image of Killing Spree
i think this is my favorite one of myself
The timing is really good imo
Very comedic!
daring oxide
hahaha I have this one saved
i was just watching it 1min ago lol
i'm trying to download that video but youtube wants me to pay for premium 😦
we should make a hardstyle music video using killing spree clips back to back
weary fog
we need a ks clips thread or something
mighty pivot
call it the kms thread
fallen knot
that is a fun one
fluid meadow
https://www.twitch.tv/csaka94/clip/AnimatedAdventurousInternKeyboardCat-LaGtVH0YJaM1KKXK who cares if cheat is up, and cos not pop, or maybe im just slow
daring oxide
does anyone know of any other examples of games that feature things like killing spree, putting the user through consistent motion sickness hell?
or is WoW literally the only game that forces a player to do this every 10seconds
heavy shadow
Is there some trick to take warlock gate in Workshop when you skip second last pack? me and heal could not take
I could stealth, but heal just stood there
You gotta los it or something dumb like stand on a pebble or something
weary fog
are u a short race
short races can have issues with lock gate, especially if they place it on a different y axis
daring oxide
Does anyone know if this will fix killing spree?
stiff glade
lmao
daring oxide
Realz can add this accessibility feature to Killing Spree ability
weary fog
Ah really? Yeah healer was a dwarf too
heavy shadow
Ah nice use of toy then 😛
vivid vessel
https://www.twitch.tv/kreemdee/clip/DependableFriendlyJaguarBleedPurple-y-13SWH_...
@cyan breach noob
stuck timber
Lol thanks for the ambush macro guys it works both for subterfuge and audacity
vivid vessel
real
tulip shore
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
vivid vessel
wait what de heck
where my goon tag went
@cyan breach did you take my goon tag away, give it back
proven ocean
<@190142944022364160> did you take my goon tag away, give it back
only noobs dont have guild tags
no
ob
stuck timber
should I use pistol shot only when I am in subterfuge and have 6 stacks?
weary fog
with broadside and at 1 cp as well
gaunt phoenix
only with 6 stacks + broadside + 1cp
cyan breach
<@190142944022364160> did you take my goon tag away, give it back
discord said goon was bad
so they removed goon tag
stuck timber
Thanks! Sorry I asked so many questions today.
cyan breach
yeah
vivid vessel
sad ..
cyan breach
cyan breach
bunch of masterbaiters in wow
light fossil
In m+ Ive been using Ks as soon as the first subterfuge ends, should i actually be using vanish since i have two charges?
gaunt phoenix
No ks has priority
light fossil
gaunt phoenix
If you ks you lose like 7-10 seconds of vanish CDR
If you vanish you lose like 20-50s of KS CDR
slow vale
Whats the word for us mentally ill people who play outlaw on the corruption enchants?
gaunt phoenix
echoing void
wintry solar
Up to date
vivid vessel
appeal and link them the trinket
red zinc
Crazy how the definition of a multi-century-old word got changed by brainrot in a few years
vivid vessel
Crazy how the definition of a multi-century-old word got changed by brainrot in ...
fancy a lil gooning sesh cuh ?
late swallow
Crazy how the definition of a multi-century-old word got changed by brainrot in ...
i feel like it hasn't even been a few years
it's been like a little over a year maybe?
before that word got hiJACKED
vivid vessel
finite bison
Lol thanks for the ambush macro guys it works both for subterfuge and audacity
Can anybody share ?
old dove
look at the state of this transmog, sin brain
proven ocean
look at the state of this transmog, sin brain
thats not even transmog
thats alchemy
heavy shadow
What does a 3k rating generally take btw. 13s or so?
heavy shadow
Ah nice it's not as far off as I thought then
gaunt phoenix
possible with 7x 12 and 1x 13
heavy shadow
I have a few 10s still loading me down
mystic rain
What does a 3k rating generally take btw. 13s or so?
you can also 2 chest every 12s and get it.
novel socket
possible with 7x 12 and 1x 13
novel socket
you can also 2 chest every 12s and get it.
really
gaunt phoenix
oh maybe all 12s
hybrid crown
Most groups don't run with outlaw rogues :/
hybrid crown
It's like group leads don't know outlaw is meta sss tier class
steady crane
It's like group leads don't know outlaw is meta sss tier class
Udh is not better than outlaw overall ?
gaunt phoenix
Not in 12s
heavy shadow
Is it worth using cudgel first boss in Floodgate?
gaunt phoenix
i dont think so
mighty pivot
is simming upgraded gear still buggy?
gaunt phoenix
i dont think so
proven ocean
mighty pivot
well I got a -0.6% going from a 658 cloak to 681, and then simmed it again (same gear/talent/buffs) and it suddently went to +0.6% 
gaunt phoenix
link it
glass mortar
sounds more likely like u missed something in the first sim
gaunt phoenix
i believe you, but needs a link to be actionable
vivid vessel
low precision edge case imo
lone spear
1.2% diff is high, but yea low precision could account for it
vivid vessel
That's why I don't sim anymore
glass mortar
cant trust anything
vivid vessel
It's trash on god
glass mortar
that u ever see in low precision anymore
mighty pivot
outlaw getting rng'd in sims too
mighty pivot
can you even make it so that it skips the low precision sims in the beginning with top gear? that was with high precision ticked
late swallow
low precision edge case imo
fallen knot
2.86m in theater as 659 on a 10 is ok or no
glass mortar
remove ur enchants from the sim
cloak enchants dont impact dps
maybe it trying between a couple different ones is making it throw into low precision?
honestly tho going low precision for a decision between a few cloaks is wild
vivid vessel
oits not trying diff enchants
fallen knot
2.86m in theater as 659 on a 10 is ok or no
zac is this ok or no
gaunt phoenix
the item is properly 681 but it happened to get thrown into low precision, sometimes happens with the method used
mighty pivot
no, it used winged grace for all cloaks except one which already has vamp on it
vivid vessel
Ye bro just got rng fucked by raidbot
I hate this low precision thing
I have 4 items
Let me
Sim
Bro
jolly geyser
no
mighty pivot
I think running through the gear compare option doesn't run it with low precision at all, but that's annoying to set up sometimes
red zinc
2.86m in theater as 659 on a 10 is ok or no
Top damage numbers are lowkey impossible to judge unless you’re doing sub 2 mil
route matters an absurd amount
seems ok though
fallen knot
ok
red zinc
maybe slightly low with the affix this week
fallen knot
yea i did not htink about that
i highrolled only 1 pvp on big boss
but yea
gonna do a linear dungeon next
glass mortar
bro kspree in pve without pvp mods to outlaws damage is hilarious btw
whenever i go down for pvp boss
vivid vessel
route matters an absurd amount
route in top ?
glass mortar
and my opponent busts out their cds
glass mortar
route in top ?
ive done a different route in lich wing every key ive done of this dungeon
red zinc
route in top ?
bd if you play every single miniboss your dps will brick
theres only one real route
But people dont play it in lower keys
fallen knot
pvp boss into big pull from fat guy wing into tall guy wing into fat guy was the route
skipped 1 miniboss
glass mortar
but kspreeing on ur party member during pvp boss
will legit do like 50% of their hp
while u cant take damage
copper radish
how long yall think? just till 11 or is it getting extended
fallen knot
zac monk keys tonight yes?
jolly geyser
11 in the night
vivid vessel
ive done a different route in lich wing every key ive done of this dungeon
everyone does the exact same route in top
above like
14s
glass mortar
i need to upgrade 3 crafts when i get home
then i can start my corruption grind
finally solo content
fallen knot
is it warband wide
red zinc
it was not hard on ptr
copper radish
i hope its tuned high enough the casuals cry this week
id doubt that its blizz lmao
young wadi
Reporting back, was able to do t11 delves and got to 640 ilvl on my rogue
Tricks of the trade is indeed insane
copper radish
Praying for that mythic helm or gloves track for tier. Then I can convert a heroic helm or gloves to tier and complete my mythic mog today 🔥
safe pasture
What are the general numbers for how much we benefit from sham buff /monk debuff
mighty pivot
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
mighty pivot
check the link
safe pasture
Ty!
strong wraith
Surely they remove Killing Spree in 11.2
steady crane
Not in 12s
so udk > outlaw only in higher keys?
remote pike
so udk > outlaw only in higher keys?
dont know, i think very good udks might have an edge
I'm doing 15s and 16s, which isn't high, I know. But I regularly outdps uhdks, but pulls like 1st pull meadery they'll win
formal axle
Surely they remove Killing Spree in 11.2
But its funny unique ability of outlaw
steady crane
dont know, i think very good udks might have an edge
I've got the feeling that lot of player go on udk without knowing shit just because it's meta. But a good udk is just better than a good outlaw. Maybe I am wrong
remote pike
I've got the feeling that lot of player go on udk without knowing shit just beca...
I'd say a good udk is also more useful than a good outlaw
amz, shell
shell fossil
how long packs live also determine stuff
if you're part of the reason cooldowns are flowing i mean who's really on top
steady crane
It's right
For the utility i think udk is maybe under the rogue tho. The CC, free invisibility, damage reduction. That's not that bad
glass mortar
uh
dk utility in keys knocks rogue out of the park
group AMS, AMZ, brez slot filled, they are also tanky as fuk, they have what, 4 ST stops? 1 aoe stop like us
shell fossil
worst class you could bring right now is probably a havoc right?
steady crane
is it death strike or?
shell and death strike and defensiv are great
glass mortar
as long as veng is good yea
bronze parcel
lol udk is cracked were not even close anymore
steady crane
they got near the same kit that bdk
remote pike
as long as veng is good yea
that's exactly right, cause they don't have an awful toolkit havocs
vivid vessel
Rogue utility is one of the worse in dungeons lol
steady crane
Ok, i really though rogue still got something
glass mortar
we have poison utility which is extremely minor and shroud for if ur tank does a shroud route
and thats it
we have legit the worst stops for modern dungeons in the game
all that matters is aoe stops
shell fossil
gouge is probably better if you suspect derps but then just go next...
remote pike
spending global on st stun feels very bad
vivid vessel
St stops are useless in modern wow
remote pike
yep
vivid vessel
And they cost too much
brisk meadow
Not one global you spend like 3-4 globals when you send a stacked kidney
bronze parcel
cant remember the last time i kidney something in a key unless it was a ridiculous last resort from many people missing their job
vivid vessel
Shroud is also mega useless there is 10 millions way to skips stuffs and half the mobs in dungeon see invis
pastel heath
Anyone know what head enchant we will be running from the visions?
glass mortar
pins
pastel heath
Oh ty!
steady crane
cant remember the last time i kidney something in a key unless it was a ridiculo...
motherlode i need to kidney sometime
vivid vessel
Not one global you spend like 3-4 globals when you send a stacked kidney
And everything is Perma dred
So unless you kidney first GCD
Your kidney is 1 sec anywya
And useless
runic bough
what spec should i open vault with?
GO
bronze parcel
ye basically joeckey or assasin sometimes
steady crane
i don't get why they change some cc to make them in the gcd. That wasn't uber powerfull
remote pike
I wish st Dr wasn't shared with AOE dr
that'd be a good change, yes probably unbalanced but it would make st stuns very nice in some cases
vivid vessel
Every cc/utility/defensive button should be off GCD if you ask me
Only makes the game more fun
Doesn't change shit
remote pike
yep
vivid vessel
One of the thing that makes outlaw so much fun for me is grapple being off GCD
brisk meadow
Feint in subterfuge as a global wont be missed
vivid vessel
And all our defs being off GCD
remote pike
dude feint going off the gcd list, thank you god
glass mortar
what spec should i open vault with?
***GO***
do u want a dagger or a 1her
azure vortex
Is it my job to stun assasins in the first pull on the motherlode, somebody called me dogshit because I didn't
remote pike
was spamming it before, but now its so lovely
runic bough
CAN I TAKE BOTH TIER OMG
vivid vessel
Is it my job to stun assasins in the first pull on the motherlode, somebody call...
Not really
People send AOE ccs
On these stuffs
But you can Help
Won't see me press kidney tho
remote pike
Is it my job to stun assasins in the first pull on the motherlode, somebody call...
What key level was it if i may ask
azure vortex
14
runic bough
HAD 3 UPGRADES TODAY
steady crane
fun for sure, but maybe not a good idea overall. I'm okay than some need to be in gcd. But i don't get why they change that much this part of rogue
runic bough
I will take helmet tier with the vers
glass mortar
our cc just never got modernized
we were the cc kings in pvp and cc was largely fluff in pve until the advent of m+
then they started divying out more aoe cc
remote pike
14
it shouldn't be your job no. but ofc if its a cooked af lineup perhaps the tank assumed that you were some type of cc machine , which u arent
glass mortar
and we stagnated because we have such poggers ST cc
vivid vessel
Is it my job to stun assasins in the first pull on the motherlode, somebody call...
this is how many kidney i pressed in my motherlode 19
glass mortar
steady crane
our cc just never got modernized
blind is aoe now 🥲
vivid vessel
if you want a point of reference
thorn river
thats alot of kidney
vivid vessel
i know
steady crane
Indeed, but i think we're a majority to still do / have player that do misstake
so kidney is still usable
not good, not optimised
remote pike
i disagree, i rather build a combo point with cheap shot then
runic bough
cost of full upgrade goodthing i have it
frail veldt
Is it my job to stun assasins in the first pull on the motherlode, somebody call...
If no one else is stopping it and you just watch it happen then it's kinda silly
steady crane
i disagree, i rather build a combo point with cheap shot then
build a combo point or kidney to cancel a futur mecha?
remote pike
if you have vanish and it kinda matches, then i'd go cheap shot
but it'll fuck ur dps either way
frail veldt
Well wiping the key vs losing some DPS
Like
It's a 14
Don't wipe and you'll time it
frail veldt
build a combo point or kidney to cancel a futur mecha?
Kidney is a worse answer than cheap shot but vanishing out of order just do cheap shot is worse than kidney imo
steady crane
Kidney is a worse answer than cheap shot but vanishing out of order just do chea...
even with 1cb?
shell hinge
Hey guys, i'm very new to outlaw and i'm seeing some contradicting information on different sites regarding stat weights... i'm playing the m+ Hidden opportunity build and i'm seeing i should be at around 14-18% haste, but on Archon it tells me to have atleast around 13k haste which would put me way over 18%... what should i aim for ?
frail veldt
even with 1cb?
Yeah if anything less cp is better for kidney
frail veldt
Hey guys, i'm very new to outlaw and i'm seeing some contradicting information o...
Archon is not a source of info
It's an aggregation of player data
remote pike
Hey guys, i'm very new to outlaw and i'm seeing some contradicting information o...
If you're familiar with simming then i'd use a lot of raidbots - are you using Hidden oppurunity as trickster? or fatebound
frail veldt
Averaged out
And some outlaw builds use more haste and some use less so on that site it seems like something in the middle
shell hinge
If you're familiar with simming then i'd use a lot of raidbots - are you using H...
I'm playing trickster yeah
frail veldt
Archon misrepresents data pretty badly
The discord faq or wowhead is your best source of truth for outlaw
shell hinge
The discord faq or wowhead is your best source of truth for outlaw
Okay sweet, i'll read up 😄
steady crane
But it's funny, mage got this issue too when they need to stop a cast to kick ! 🙂
remote pike
I'm playing trickster yeah
I'd just dungeon slice mate. Hidden oppurtunity tricksters got a 8-10% required haste. but they like haste after that point as well
so sims
upper surge
Where are my normal outlaw people
vivid vessel
hi
glass mortar
whats the question
vivid vessel
im very normal
remote pike
im very normal
upper surge
Can you tell @wary wind that I'm actually a really nice person
vivid vessel
glass mortar
hmm
upper surge
<@190271915041095690> can i get a guide for the head enchant next week
Twilight devastation
glass mortar
you dont have nice on ur nickname in this server
vivid vessel
@wary wind this @upper surge guy is cool he does guides
glass mortar
i see no evidence to provide to such a comment
vivid vessel
Twilight devastation
wrong try again noob
upper surge
That's a pretty ludicrous statement
glass mortar
for all they know ur are extremely mean slave driver DMing people trying to be at peace late on sunday nights asking them why they havent completed their 8 slave keys yet
upper surge
wrong try again noob
I didn't even know that TD was coming back lol
shell fossil
myth cinder belt or myth shoulders
upper surge
for all they know ur are extremely mean slave driver DMing people trying to be a...
Did you complete your slave keys?
Don't make me take out the belt
glass mortar
🫡
shell fossil
oh wait its reclear week LOL
upper surge
I feel bad because I was substituting raid leading on a different team last night
And I may have gotten a little uh
desert tendon
weran a cutie
upper surge
Frustrated
upper surge
Hydra sprocket prog lmao
glass mortar
OOF
upper surge
And I think I scared him off and I feel really bad
I may have brought out my 220th wipe on tindral voice
glass mortar
upper surge
Don't worry, I made another person mad because they said their blood sugar was low for the last hour of the raid and that's why they performed poorly and I asked if their blood sugar had been low for 3 weeks
glass mortar
brooooooother
thats some fonz level passive toxicity
we used to have memes for this
upper surge
I was in a mood
shell fossil
raid terrorist
remote pike
Don't worry, I made another person mad because they said their blood sugar was l...
Holy heck 
shell fossil
upper surge
brooooooother
It was sev btw
glass mortar
LUL
upper surge
That one I feel a little bad about
tight kernel
Anyone got a route for vision sw?
glass mortar
see i have infinite patience because I learned to RL rling an aotc progression guild
unfortunalty infinite patience is not a boon for RLing mythic
remote pike
I can't rl, my temper and patience is non existant
upper surge
I kept it together for 2.5 hours
But when on pull 90 someone messed up a polarity swap
sharp hinge
im not home rn, but is there a big difference between our st sim and m+ sim?
remote pike
im not home rn, but is there a big difference between our st sim and m+ sim?
u mean..? damage? yeah!
glass mortar
not sure what the question is, u can sim dslice for m+ and its fine. if you mean a big difference in dps, then yes
sharp hinge
yeah, i remember it being huge with sin last season, but didnt know if outlaw was the same
sharp hinge
not sure what the question is, u can sim dslice for m+ and its fine. if you mean...
i just mean in general, sorry i probably worded that wrong
remote pike
i think well geared players might sim 2.4m patchwerk? 4 or 5 m dungeonslice, iirc
glass mortar
u sim for like 9m on 8 target
it would be a bit of a problem if a spec didnt sim for way more in m+ then it does st tho
jolly geyser
bfa tuned visions?
upper surge
Do visions start this week?
glass mortar
today yup
upper surge
FML
tight kernel
bfa tuned visions?
felt like that, literally killed sylv with just trinket proc
upper surge
Man I don't want to do this shit
glass mortar
better go yap out our raiders to pick up their 2-3% dps before raid time
tight kernel
sooo I would knock out your visions before fix?
glass mortar
😏
calm osprey
Would yall go with trickster or fatebound for mythic mugzee? I see the logs are fairly split. Or would you go sin instead?
glass mortar
god i missed visions
when they were a challenge tho
not this nonsense
wheres my +11 visions
vivid vessel
I still m have no idea wtf a vision is
Can't wait for tomorrow to just one shot mobs
tight kernel
inb4 hotfix for eu
also anyone got that wa for pot colors?
wonder if the bfa one still works for it
rotund zodiac
good neck or craft is better?
glass mortar
crafted would probably be better
vivid vessel
This neck is trash
glass mortar
vers is just better and crafted crit vers has a better balance
plus can go haste if u need
vivid vessel
In taking gallywix ring tomorrow un vault
vapid sundial
ur not getting it
vivid vessel
Cause that's the only item I would ever need
glass mortar
zac did u get ur chest this week
vapid sundial
ur gonna get shit
glass mortar
u never showed
vivid vessel
For third spec
vivid vessel
zac did u get ur chest this week
I got shoulders instead
glass mortar
im still waiting for my chest
jolly geyser
im getting priory chest
vivid vessel
So you keep the vers on the chest
I asked blizzard for what I thought was bis and they gave me better
Kinda wild
steady crane
Strange question but why outlaw like "damage" trinket?
vivid vessel
Because we don't. Have burst
So we don't like on use stats trinkets
So what else is left
steady crane
ooooh
glass mortar
well its not even lack of burst
our secondaries are just not very impactful
so secondary trinkets generally wont do much
remote pike
Strange question but why outlaw like "damage" trinket?
i think a better answer is, in m+ we really like aoe dmg trinkets that has no target caps.
glass mortar
like there stat stick esque trinkets that r still mid for us unless its vers usually
vivid vessel
Our secondary scaling is also trash ye
vapid sundial
doesnt that kinda go hand in hand tho
if we had burst secondaries would probably be better
vivid vessel
i think a better answer is, in m+ we really like aoe dmg trinkets that has no ta...
Sooo?
glass mortar
and we have mega crit and mega vers which both directly scale direct damage trinkets
vivid vessel
Cause that doesn't exist lol
glass mortar
doesnt that kinda go hand in hand tho
not really
having a burst cd wouldnt do anything for mastery
or haste
assuming we didnt just do more raw dps i dont see why it would make crit or vers better either
red zinc
Cache from SL probably has more aoe potential than the trinkets we have right now
glass mortar
our secondaries r weak because they r weak. theres not really any complicated reasons
remote pike
Cause that doesn't exist lol
huh? 😮 isnt geargrinder no target cap
glass mortar
we dont have interactions to amplify them
vivid vessel
huh? 😮 isnt geargrinder no target cap
It is
red zinc
huh? 😮 isnt geargrinder no target cap
It literally says split in the trinket text
vivid vessel
Trinkets have mega shit AOE scaling
vivid vessel
It's +15% damage per target
glass mortar
more then that now zac but yea
vivid vessel
It's ridiculously bad
glass mortar
meteor effects scale up to 250% increased damage at 5 targets now
massive poggers
or 150% increased damage i guess, 250% damage total
red zinc
i dont get why they got rid of the text indicating smth is meteor by the way
they used to put text in the tooltip
frail veldt
meteor effects scale up to 250% increased damage at 5 targets now
yeah bike goes hard
hits for like 15 mil per cast
glass mortar
well
frail veldt
in aoe
red zinc
fuck bike
glass mortar
is that hard tho
red zinc
Shit doesnt hit on multiple bosses
frail veldt
15mil every 2 minutes yeah
glass mortar
it goes hard compared to what u can get i guess
frail veldt
literally an extra 125k dps
vivid vessel
It's terrible
glass mortar
probably does less damage per cast on 10 targets then boon did tho
frail veldt
So you lose all the prio
maybe im still doing too low of keys but the prio target always dies fast af in my groups
remote pike
wtf i didn't realize that EVERY trinket rn has the "split between target"
red zinc
are you playing with arcuhne
frail veldt
no
remote pike
has it always been like that? when did they do this change
vivid vessel
Kinda ye
red zinc
like idk
frail veldt
has it always been like that? when did they do this change
its been like this a while
vivid vessel
Only exceptions was boon
remote pike
yeah was about to say it wasnt many expansions ago that i had true uncap
frail veldt
Im playin with mm/ret/shamans half the time
I blame the ret
glass mortar
now its just all stats or meteor
red zinc
I blame all of them
remote pike
i guess i just never caught wind of this "overhaul"
frail veldt
I play with an MM and demo a lot
glass mortar
ye
frail veldt
but still prio target dies fast
glass mortar
anything that says it splits now a day has dumpsterfire aoe scaling
red zinc
Half the reworks they make are just aoe proc spam
glass mortar
it just doesnt matter cause they all have that so
frail veldt
there arent as many giga prio ads this season feels like
red zinc
o ye fs it aint on the level weve had before
glass mortar
and fwiw it got buffed alot
it used to cap at 175% total trinket damage at 5 targets
split among all targets hit
🙂
glass mortar
bangers
why even exist
why make something split if its not gunna gain any damage
at least prio is useful sometimes
red zinc
Idek if the cudgel is meteor actually
gaunt phoenix
it is
remote pike
it has to be
red zinc
They really just got rid of hard split then
like before it used to show in the tooltip with the “damage is increased with each target hit”
now it doesnt but its still meteor
remote pike
cudgel tooltip actually also says split between all
but its just our vanish that makes it strong
vivid vessel
I mean split still means it gain damage per target for blizz
remote pike
this is how many kidney i pressed in my motherlode 19
Hmmm no shadow quake procs on that pic?! ;o no cudgel?
glass mortar
split is the lingo for meteoring
just universally at this point i think
they use this effect on basically any direct damage that "aoes"
remote pike
aah now i understand
glass mortar
it used to be more complicated and annoying talking about how it gained damage per target hit up to 5, but if they r all just gunna follow this rules then maybe not necessary
its not like the original tooltip was that good either
potent yacht
is there a guide for vision powers
glass mortar
if there isnt wowhead will have an article soon enough im sure
pliant wind
cudgel lows our ilvl but upgrades our aoe, thats our buff for the season
potent yacht
is there a obvious power that outlaw should get
steady crane
our secondaries are just not very impactful
even versa?
glass mortar
yes even versa
versa is a universal scaler its the same value for basically every spec in the game
the only thing that changes it is how big ur base damage is
pliant wind
is just BF is a versa eater
glass mortar
versa is not better for outlaw then it is for other specs
steady crane
so having "high ilvl" wont change much on outlaw or agility is still good?
lament spade
why do they use house of cards in dungeons?
glass mortar
well yes it changes substantially because ilvl is still strong
glass mortar
listen the worst scaling spec in the game probably gets around ~1.1-1.2% dps per ilvl and the best scaling spec in the game might get 1.6-1.8%
the differences r small, but u see them in itemization and trinket strength
remote pike
so having "high ilvl" wont change much on outlaw or agility is still good?
In general melees simply scale mostly from weapons (attack power or whatever its called) and trinkets
keen belfry
should i take amythic signet guys
lament spade
zac loves cards
nice reasoning
glass mortar
why do they use house of cards in dungeons?
zac plays kir and the trinket is fine in aoe for kir
due to deft
all trinkets r trash this season
probably 2% maximum dps difference between the best trinket u can use and the worst
most r within 1%
keen belfry
signet or token guys
remote pike
all trinkets r trash this season
funny you should say that, since this is the season with my best trinket luck xD fml
pliant wind
myth signet is not bad
steady crane
In general melees simply scale mostly from weapons (attack power or whatever its...
caster too, i mean trinket for caster are huge.
remote pike
signet or token guys
Signet is VERY rarely used, had mine for many weeks
glass mortar
signet sims well in aoe but its meh in st
if u wanna go for some dungeon overalls its probably fine
or to have for sin
u can always dinar it anyway
remote pike
signet or token guys
i think the answer lies within what trinkets u already have
pliant wind
^
keen belfry
look at this nice guy right here
shell fossil
i used signet in keys a lot, it slots in p easily
but it lost to mythic gear grinders with myth seaforium by 1.5%
wicked obsidian
is house of cards really that good for outlaw?
remote pike
which vision should we go for
theres info on pin
pliant wind
but it lost to mythic gear grinders with myth seaforium by 1.5%
for the meanwhile this combo are the best for me
shell fossil
those dogs are outside the house for sure
keen belfry
i like cards more than signet this just seems like a socket angle
remote pike
is house of cards really that good for outlaw?
case by case basis, but zac uses it in 19s and stuff, and it seems to do good
pliant wind
sad thing that geargrinder can miss
glass mortar
its not great or bad
its just a trinket
probably sims within 0.2% of priory trinket for zac
bright crane
look at this nice guy right here
What a nice fella
wicked obsidian
ok thanks, i also saw it on wox at mdi and was wondering.
shell fossil
its nice on bosses with vulnerability phases but also some bosses dont get hit by geargrinders
wary wind
who fuckin pinged me
shell fossil
so having myth signet for say rookery/workshop doesnt seem like worst play
vivid vessel
who fuckin pinged me
Your raid leader
pliant wind
latent belfry
what mask do we use
lament spade
Your raid leader
is it true that you play HoC because you love poker
pliant wind
see i said it
vivid vessel
I kinda wanna go back to kezan
pliant wind
vivid vessel
Kezan magnet
I need to find a tank that is willing to play around kezan
Having to figure out kezan in pugs got annoying
jolly geyser
hazzle trinket
wicked obsidian
why not wax whistle + pacemaker? wax whistle shouldn't miss imho
lament spade
Kezan magnet
shittiest mastery i've seen i dont understand why would i get more mastery can you explain little for a new rogue player
pliant wind
im getting the feels with KiR build now
pliant wind
finally
vivid vessel
Than st trinkets
lament spade
yeah it is but hoc only gives mastery doesnt it
shell fossil
if u look closely blade flurry actualy spells outlaw
lament spade
so it doesnt matter which stat i get as long as i get tons of it
wicked obsidian
but the problem with sims, sometimes, they are too perfect. so i guess geargrinder never will miss in the sims 🙂
glass mortar
part of the question being missed here is trinkets r very weak this season for outlaw
which is why so many secondary stat trinkets do ok
shell fossil
zac what does your main gauche hit for with house of cards active?
glass mortar
signet, HoC (kir only really), pacemaker
vivid vessel
zac what does your main gauche hit for with house of cards active?
Bro
The fuck do I know
pliant wind
vivid vessel
You guys care too much about things that are so irrelevant
shell fossil
fine i'll get my own hero track house of cards
tight egret
Anyone get the greater rune quest yet? I did the lesser one but don't have anything else.
exotic grail
Anyone get the greater rune quest yet? I did the lesser one but don't have anyth...
It is timegated
warm compass
Hi Guys, just new to outlaw
Do i Spam "Between the Eyes" after i vanished with adrenaline rush?
Did i understand that corecctly?
slate forge
No greater this week is lesser the same as greater just go echoing void?
shell fossil
also i randomly fell out of stealth twice today with a mage in the party, i doubt its a coincidence and also 20% chance for a 70k main gauche hit to 150k main gauche hit
that's probably stonks in his specific use case lmao
bright crane
jolly geyser
we playing untill august
bright crane
“We heard you guys don’t like time gating”
vivid vessel
Jesus christ
Ya cuh
pliant wind
continue to roll dices
agile orchid
maybe the KS fix is timegated too
agile orchid
and it will come any week now
red zinc
What are we even doing
red zinc
it literally takes more time to timegate this stuff
pliant wind
can i get more into high m+ keys if i list as an assassin then m+ starts i go out of dung and change into outlaw
:o
shell fossil
yes and do it
pliant wind
red zinc
I really don’t think it changes that much
assa and outlaw are both equally neutrally viewed
agile orchid
outlaw is seen more negatively because of the aoe cap
shell fossil
most parties dont quit until after first boss so it's fine unless you also die there from a killing spree or something
runic bough
Guys I'm not going to stream on Twitch anymore video quality sucks ass
copper radish
do we need to wait till week 2 for the epic helm enchant? quest didnt pop up after i got the blue one
glass mortar
youtube superior anyway
runic bough
YouTube with the AV1 Live streaming was way better quality
gaunt phoenix
no greater corruptions today?
jolly geyser
we need machete
dense bolt
is there any of the helm enchants thats like annoying to play with
that sim better than it works in real life
jolly geyser
I called him
red zinc
I guess twilight dev?
Could maybe have shit pulled out since it charges up that beam
But idk if it works the same
glass mortar
as long as echoing void doesnt like
waste stacks decaying out of combat or after a fight or something
it should be as good as it sims
gusher is always steady design wise if echoing isnt tho
will need to play with it abit i guess
dense bolt
is these head enchants like if u buy 1 this week u kinda gatekept and cant buy another until next week or what
gaunt phoenix
would be more concerned if it broke stealth
bright crane
If I read the wowhead write up correct
The quests you get for less/greater give you enough currency to buy each
1 of each rather
dense bolt
watched growl do visions just now and he got the enchant in like an hour
red zinc
Lizzard’ll keep doing these kind of content drops since they see player engagement drop less than before
its a little yikes
bright crane
Want to bet it’s cause there’s something bugged with the greater quest line
gaunt phoenix
Tier over go next
red zinc
if they get more creative itd be a lot better
red zinc
But reusing old content for “borrowed” power is kinda yikes
gaunt phoenix
Yeah it's lame
glass mortar
someone in my guild said it took 10 visions for the greater to pop up
red zinc
So it is there?
glass mortar
but this is hearsay because they just heard that from another discord
so thats third hand info
i plan to do what i always planned to do. wait for bugixes and a wowhead article then play this all tomorrow
red zinc
wowhead misinformation is vrazy
glass mortar
🫡
gaunt phoenix
it's not deliberate
dense bolt
Solo do we know if the enchant scale with helm ilvl
bright crane
Hopefully by the time I finish getting yelled at by a customer this will be figured out
gaunt phoenix
don't know but could find out quickly
bright crane
Something to look forward to
gaunt phoenix
sim with ,ilevel=9000
potent yacht
is lesser the best one for this week?
gaunt phoenix
Don't know
dense bolt
I cant atm cuz on break at work if someone could check rq would be cool
red zinc
just wait for an hour
sharp hinge
when do we get our next dinar purchase
red zinc
2 weeks
sharp hinge
2 more weeks? 😦
jaunty citrus
anyone knows lf is possible to unlock greater corruptions this week?
runic bough
If your not in a mythic raiding guild that kills mugzee there's nothing worth getting from dinar anyway
bright crane
It’s not clear whether you can get it or not
Wowhead suggests no
Some people are saying yes
leaden folio
bfa vision was like easy.
just you need to progress more with special talent tre...
what a surprise, timegate content comeback with timegate
safe pasture
this content succcccccccccccccccccc
runic bough
Guys
Stop letting them get to you
This is normal
Small indy company stuffa
Accept that we are beta testers
safe pasture
wish we coulda just got torghast 2.0 ngl
safe pasture
=[
glass mortar
i liked the timebased content but both r good
bring it all back
all the solo challenge mode content
👏
safe pasture
has anyone tried with masks and stuff does it make it fun
runic bough
They are anti powers in this expansion though maybe it's part of the lore right now to have no powers
Just crap hero trees and no powers
safe pasture
xd
glass mortar
well thats not true
daring oxide
literally no more accidents
safe pasture
i just cant wait to have my sub geared up finally
safe pasture
so far feels really fun
no dmaage outside of cd windows
but huge burst when they up
runic bough
Do I need a deck of cards to play it
magic shuttle
I noticed the top rio outlaw atm plays ho without GS
glass mortar
(and one of them is from last season)
gaunt phoenix
and true
magic shuttle
Agreed
glass mortar
I noticed the top rio outlaw atm plays ho without GS
which one?
magic shuttle
Obsess
magic shuttle
Ye but without gs is extra based
runic bough
I tried sin but came back to suffer on trolololster cause I'm better at it and want to climb keys rn
glass mortar
dont see any reason it couldnt do the keys zac does
magic shuttle
I just like no gs build cause you're completely free to target swap
safe pasture
no thats the trick you dont wana target swap
runic bough
No gs ur boss dmg sucks tho
glass mortar
i mean
runic bough
Which is why I like kir
safe pasture
then when people get mad show them shadesofgrey doin a 19 of it
gaunt phoenix
it doesnt
safe pasture
ez
magic shuttle
Boss damage is good
magic shuttle
1 fth does run gs afaik
runic bough
Ok my rotation is just bad then
glass mortar
wait i just corrected myself
runic bough
And I feel it more on bosses
glass mortar
i meant to type dont play 1 fth, but i realized i watched wowtoxic last night and he was
gaunt phoenix
yeah but it's the same point, 1fth is losing ST
magic shuttle
That's the compromise
safe pasture
and the small ones im running it O7
runic bough
Shades is playing kir 1fh also
sharp hinge
If your not in a mythic raiding guild that kills mugzee there's nothing worth ge...
you should see the trinkets i have right now lol. horrible
runic bough
I didnt even bother with trinkets this season
All garbage
Alchemist stone and pacemaker done
I get second vers embellishment today
My vers stacking will be complete
runic bough
I'll probably wait til next week to do that
Like the mace
There was no reason to do the Hallowfall stuff unless ur gearing an alt, besides the mace.
Kinda like the island and the ring
Same type of use case
glass mortar
well the ring was BiS when it came out for everyone and still is bis for alot of people
so plenty of reason to do that one. i wonder how strong they want this belt coming out to be
but yea hallowfall is just alt catchup stuff and cosmetics
i still have only done it once for the cudgel
rough remnant
Hi guys, Which Corruptions do you recommend for the outlaw? ❤️
glass mortar
pins
jolly tapir
yo pirates, is jastor like super bad for outlwaw?R
glass mortar
yes
gaunt phoenix
awful
safe pasture
jus get perfect stat roulette wheel ez 😄
gaunt phoenix
what
runic bough
That was a lot of vers
safe pasture
thats good choice tho
glass mortar
ye im waiting for mythic mugzee to die
so i can get in for a kill and finally spend my dinar
could buy a hc offhand for 0.4% dps i guess but that doesnt thrill me
tight kernel
runic bough
glass mortar
tfw blizzard figured out that can timegate the already timegated content
infinite money glitch???
quaint loom
https://www.wowhead.com/news/corruptions-and-tech-tree-timegated-for-week-1-revi...
awesome!!!!!!!!!!
magic shuttle
insert the word "timegate" to provoke people
glass mortar
i think the mods might need to timegate this chat tbh its moving too fast
quaint loom
bro
glass mortar
quaint loom
the fact that they timegated this release for a month already
red zinc
send the devs to new jersey
quaint loom
and then the content that is released after being timegated is timegated aswell
holy fuck
these devs are actually unreal lol
glass mortar
at the end of the day it doesnt really matter, theres not any more challenging content to use this gear for we are already absurdly op for this raid tier
runic bough
True
glass mortar
its just funny cause i cant imagine anyone at blizzard seeing this as anything but farming Ls from the wowhead readers
glass mortar
probably close to 670 for some of the most