outlaw

[wicked obsidian]

but by standard it's only showing if it's exceeds your maxhp. so properly you will need to adjust it, should be done easy in the options of the wa

[slate forge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1RNTFJjcCk1MeAFGyiT4uw looks like it wants me to drop even more haste?

[frail veldt]

what % haste are you at right now?

[slate forge]

14.7%

[frail veldt]

yeah could just be cuz running precise cuts without GS significantly lowers the energy requirement

[slate forge]

idk I feel like im having energy problems with this haste in subtervuge already

[frail veldt]

oh wait

the 0.4% increase

[civic void]

It's also a crit/vers sim so the dps increase could be from the stats budget from higher ilvl

[frail veldt]

is to put crafted rin

in slot 2

so just replacing this

with something 10 ilvl higher

so thats not surprising

replacing neck from haste to crit is only 0.2%

whic I can believe in dslice

without GS

[slate forge]

running it again with haste/verse to see

[civic void]

I don't think the replacement neck has the embellishment tho so it would be higher

Idk droptimizer is weird

[frail veldt]

oh you right it has a weird embelishment

interesting yeah I do know that HO needs a decent amount less haste without GS

and with GS you usually are at around 15-16% optimal for ST

so in dslice with restealths and no GS I could see optimal being maybe down at 13%?

[slate forge]

I just don't see how replacing the roulette wheel with a crafted crit/verse ring would be good losing all that verse for a bit of crit when BTE doesn't even gain from crit and it's such a large amount of our dmg

[inland acorn]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[frail veldt]

Well RP uptime isnt 100%

and we also have a lot of other abilities that do damage

bte is like 25% of our damage

and trickster has some extra crit value for generators

so crits value is still pretty high esp as HO who does more damage with builders than KiR does

[slate forge]

makes sense maybe doing something wrong for the energy issues not sure

[cedar kernel]

:hi:

[runic bough]

Yo bac

[runic bough]

What do Chinese players think of outlaw?

Over here everyone hates trollingspree is it the same there or different?

[cedar kernel]

same

a painful skill

[runic bough]

Yeah I knew it

Sucks

We are suffering worldwide

[white marten]

Suffering is what makes us strongk

[cedar kernel]

thats why i didnt open WoW in a recent month

[white marten]

League

[runic bough]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-roll-never-gonna-give-you-up-welcome-to-hell-fire-forest-fire-gif-13682794818519133519

Outlaw in TWW Edition.

[cedar kernel]

i think S1 is fine just the dg is a little uncomfort

but S2 i mean, when the KS come to us we fallen into a hard situation

[runic bough]

Yes

But we were handicapped until this season with the bf bug fix.

Its just now we forced to use trollingspree.

Really ruins the potential for us.

[cedar kernel]

KS too old my man

[runic bough]

Yeah fr fr

[past sphinx]

I just hate being target capped on huge pulls, feel useless

[tender wedge]

I broke 11m dps for a few seconds on a big pack the other day, felt so amazing

Then I logged onto my dev evoker alt 20ilvls lower and hit 15m without relying on rng 🙃

But it is what it is

[glass mortar]

outlaws ceiling is always gunna be much lower then a burst spec :p

wouldnt be very balanced if it wasnt

[tender wedge]

I’m just having a little lol

I know what to expect

[haughty wigeon]

[runic bough]

Well if u think about it, we not only have to rely on rng, but at our peak rng we are still not up to other classes.

[past sphinx]

If you wipe first pull brew with your uhdk boomy doing 25m+ dps they are probs gonna blame the outlaw

[glass mortar]

of course we arent

we dont have cds

[runic bough]

https://tenor.com/view/bs-memes-funny-kid-gif-431838878332190162

[glass mortar]

if we did the same dps as a cd spec we would be broken

[haughty wigeon]

its been how many years now

[tender wedge]

Well duh, you do no damage so you better get those interupts and stops perfect

[past sphinx]

Doesn’t matter when tank dies to melee hits

[limpid plank]

is this bugged?

[haughty wigeon]

bad tank then

[glass mortar]

just tooltip bugged

[haughty wigeon]

tooltip is bugged

[past sphinx]

I’ve been blamed so many times in workshop first pull and brew etc

[limpid plank]

so how much haste does it actually give me?

[glass mortar]

duration doubles with 2 points

it gives u how much haste it says

the duration is what changes

[limpid plank]

wow, 52 seconds might as well be infinite

[runic bough]

We need need to do the same dps but at least near 25mil with 10 bte procs. But it's only 14mil or so and it was only for that window then back to 5mil or less outside window.

[glass mortar]

no

its 26s

its 10s at 1 rank

20 at 2

26 is with subterfuge

its weird and a bad tooltip

[haughty wigeon]

just gotta brush it off and conitnue

[glass mortar]

actually it might be 13/26 now but regardless the tooltip is right it just doesnt show the right value at 1 point

[haughty wigeon]

bad players alwyas blame everything but themselves

[glass mortar]

if we did 25m with good rng we would be beyond broken

u do realize thats the peak of most CD specs right

some can go higher sure

[past sphinx]

Tbh I’m lucky to even get invites anymore to 17/18s as outlaw unless they want phys comp

[glass mortar]

very rare

and not by much

[runic bough]

Peak other meta do is 30mil

[glass mortar]

yes peak cd specs should do is around 25-30m on a big pull probably

its called being a cd spec

idk how u dont understand this

[runic bough]

25mil at our peak is also rng reliant, why we so handicapped for?

[glass mortar]

u do 10X the damage these specs are doing at all times

do u think 30m at their peak has no rng?

[past sphinx]

Weran that’s true

[glass mortar]

outlaw isnt even that high variance in terms of all specs in the game

u do first pull of cinder as unholy and get procs/crits and u might for 35m

or u might do 25m

[past sphinx]

Issue I feel like is on these big first pulls you need this big burst dmg and we don’t bring it

[glass mortar]

they have rng too man

yes if you have a massive first pull that u need to use cds to burn down, outlaw is a liability

this has always been the case tho pretty much

[haughty wigeon]

thats by design

yes

[past sphinx]

Like if you run out of stops/kicks because mobs aren’t dead I feel dog

[glass mortar]

and always will be as long as we wanna have flat damage

[haughty wigeon]

outlaw is straight line spec

[glass mortar]

its almost like not having cds is a inhereint weakness of a non cd spec

[runic bough]

Not true

[glass mortar]

its not that complicated

[runic bough]

NOT TRUE

[haughty wigeon]

i wouldnt say that either weran

there is a benefit to being straight line spec

[glass mortar]

and a weakness

i didnt say its only a weakness

[runic bough]

alert alert weran forgets we do 0 dmg outside stealth windows or no adr

[glass mortar]

but anytime u need cds, it is a weakness

[haughty wigeon]

sadly ya

[glass mortar]

we do 3-4X the damage of most specs filler outside stealth windows

if u drop AR its player issue

idk what to tell u

ur very silly if u believe this

[haughty wigeon]

ar is weird

its

[past sphinx]

ADR drops naturally

[haughty wigeon]

90%+ uptime

[glass mortar]

rarely yes

[past sphinx]

Even if you play perfect

[glass mortar]

not long enough for it to matter

[haughty wigeon]

and we';re tuned around that rn

[glass mortar]

u need some very very very bad rng for it to drop off for an extended period

thats like, 1 key a week for me

[past sphinx]

Just from bad rolls/energy starve

[runic bough]

If you have no bte procs, how is that skill issue? It's rng.

[haughty wigeon]

sadly

[glass mortar]

usually its bad play

or like 3 abilities with no AR

[past sphinx]

I wouldn’t say very very very bad rng

[glass mortar]

which is the 3% downtime of AR u see in sims

[past sphinx]

It’s very easy to drop adr

[glass mortar]

dropping AR for an extended period?

is absolutely very bad rng

dropping AR for 5s is whatever, you usually dont even run out of energy

that happens fairly commonly as trickster sure

[past sphinx]

Are we talking real world situations

Or sim

[glass mortar]

real world

[past sphinx]

Because that’s two different things

You don’t always have uptime in raid/m+

Which can fuck your adr

[runic bough]

Also of u have no adr you wait 5 business days to get 50% energy to send very costly trollingspree

Now that u used trollingspree, you can go back to rotation

Not to mention fights where u can't even use trollingspree. Dmg suffers even more.

If trollingspree isn't removed next season

[haughty wigeon]

but thats mre of a issue of killing spree

not much of a adr issue

granted all of outlaws issues intersect

[runic bough]

You are also losing time on adr by pressing trollingapree bro

Instead of continuing rotation going for a vanish

We are fucked having to press ks

[haughty wigeon]

we're fucked pressing ks too

we're fucked cause adr has nearly 100% uptime due to how blizzard likes to tune specs with that damage profile

we prayge for fundamental fixes in 11.2

[runic bough]

I really don't want to learn another spec but I doubt it will be removed by season 3. I'm rerolling to my druid next season

Gonna try feral and bear

I'm not a fan of sin so

Run speed too slow

It was painful enough to play trickster this far

Two months left I just wanna see how far I can climb now

Then s3 I can safely reroll away from trickster

It feels really good playing an uncapped class too

Like your not restricted anymore

With all the chains on outlaw

https://tenor.com/view/zeke-aot-snk-attack-on-titan-paths-gif-24617779

Outlaw

[latent oak]

bro outlaw is blasting rn

its gotta be like top 6 ish dps specs in the game atm

it aint the spec chaining u down

[trail star]

You can't reroll from outlaw, it always pull you back in hehe

[runic bough]

Yeah true

I always come back

But

Trollingspree really makes me rage

And its not good for my party

If I die from trollingspree I cuss a storm and nobody want to play with someone like that

I need to get away in s3

[fallow hinge]

I seem to be doing pretty well not going back to it

my rogue hasn't even left valdrakken

[trail star]

That’s strategic idling

[glass mortar]

im not sure outlaw will survive if we are still playing this killing spree in s3 xd

i know i certainly wont be playing the game if thats the case

1 season of this shit is already insultingly long

our bad for not playing the barely tuned offensivly designed tree tho. guess they didnt realize that people have hated kspree for a decade

[runic bough]

Just remember feral is the same movement speed so we can all reroll to feral

[trail star]

Exactly. You either stick to outlaw or quit the game

[shut lichen]

Easier access to the training dummies

Smart

[glass mortar]

ferals the same rotation speed as sin

but its resources dont scale in aoe

so

i dont mind it but to some i doubt they will like it

[runic bough]

But u have a raid buff, brez and utility

Seems interesting

[shut lichen]

Brez on feral is a lie

I hate it so much

[runic bough]

Really why

[glass mortar]

it shifts u out of cat

[fallow hinge]

it's only instant with predatory swiftness

^ else it de-cats you

[shut lichen]

^

[latent oak]

i sliced my finger on a can of baked beans today

[shut lichen]

Was it Heinz?

[latent oak]

betrayed by my countries food

twas not

[shut lichen]

Deserved

[latent oak]

tescos own brand bruv

[fallow hinge]

were you going to put them on toast?

[latent oak]

ofc

[fallow hinge]

not betrayal then

it's a test of faith

stay the course

[latent oak]

still did put them on toast ofc

[shut lichen]

With cheese gromit?

[latent oak]

was peng

ofc with cheese

goes toast -> butter -> grated cheese -> beans

[shut lichen]

OK I'm sorry u got cut then

[fallow hinge]

The true order

[runic bough]

What so bad about leaving cat form to brez

[latent oak]

the leaving cat part i think

[fallow hinge]

takes a global to go back in

[latent oak]

might be wrong

[runic bough]

Atleast u have a brez tho

[fallow hinge]

everyone has a cr now

with the jumper cables

that's not a selling point anymore

[runic bough]

Rogue has no raid buff and no brez, does the same dmg

[latent oak]

every time i have to use them i ping the corpse and i always assume they think im being toxic

[trail star]

This sounds so UK

[fallow hinge]

Because it is

[haughty wigeon]

that dr poison

[trail star]

Beans on top of butter and cheese

[runic bough]

Lol that probably doesn't even work

[trail star]

Damn

[latent oak]

crack to the average brit

[haughty wigeon]

the community at large doesnt know for sure

[fallow hinge]

legit

[latent oak]

does atro still stack

[lime linden]

!PRE

[haughty wigeon]

like how they didnt know about how it stacks up with multiple rogues for the longest time

[shut lichen]

Because leaving cat form and having a cast time to ress as a melee is ass

[fallow hinge]

I'm craving beans on toast now, damn you to heck

[trail star]

lol

[latent oak]

u gotta make sure u toast the bread more then usual for beans on toast

very important

[fallow hinge]

^

[shut lichen]

Crucial

[fallow hinge]

else it soggifies

[shut lichen]

Mandatory in fact

[fallow hinge]

salted butter too

[trail star]

🤦‍♂️

[fallow hinge]

Lurpak goes hard

[latent oak]

i am of the opinion

that unsalted butter should never be used

in any circumstance

on anything

[shut lichen]

Depends

[fallow hinge]

I see you too are an individual of taste

[latent oak]

even when baking stuff

salted > unsalted

[shut lichen]

Ur free to have that opinion tbf

[valid kindle]

unsalted is nice for cooking, easier to salt with just sea salt

[latent oak]

thinking about it

i should sprinkle msg in my beans

[fallow hinge]

everyone's free to their own opinions though

[valid kindle]

cause I'm used to measuring sea salt by hand

[haughty wigeon]

good

[shut lichen]

That's what I said?

[haughty wigeon]

druids are cringe and deserve it

[shut lichen]

Except me ofc

[haughty wigeon]

iamgine playing a class

[fallow hinge]

nah ur free to have opinions too

[haughty wigeon]

with boomie in it

[fallow hinge]

even wrong ones

[shut lichen]

My opinions are decided by the voices in my head

[haughty wigeon]

[fallow hinge]

but wrong ones come with consequences

[fallow hinge]

Are the voices in your head a cacophony or a congregation though?

Like, are they democratic and vote on opinions or is it just loudest voice wins?

[latent oak]

do they form a nice line to inform u of their view

[fallow hinge]

^

we need details

[shut lichen]

It's more like a wheel of fortune deal

[fallow hinge]

oooh, interesting

so the voices sit on a wheel and it gets spinned?

spinned? spun?

spun

[latent oak]

spinny hendrix

[shut lichen]

Been trying to convince them to do it family feud style instead

But they said that was dumb

[latent oak]

do it pointless style

not sure how that would work

[fallow hinge]

hunger games style.

[latent oak]

but alot of alexander armstrong representation i guess

[shut lichen]

Nah just names sadly

Nothing fancy

[trail star]

[fallow hinge]

last voice standing is the winner

[shut lichen]

Forever?

[fallow hinge]

nah just until the next opinion needs to be decided

the cacophony is like Illidan- immortal souls, they just come right back to compete again

unfortunately, the good ones rarely win :<

[latent oak]

krill issue

[fallow hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/milj-milk-skill-issue-spill-issue-spill-gif-25572474

The reigning champion of opinions so far this year is

https://tenor.com/view/gekko-crested-fire-lizard-angry-gif-12621842460128215218

this lil cutie

[shut lichen]

The cutest ones are always the deadliest

[fallow hinge]

exactly

[shut lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/axolotl-smile-happy-cute-animal-smiling-gif-12642274

Except this lil guy

[fallow hinge]

it does those big eyes at you, then when you look down there's a knife in your chest

[runic bough]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-oh-wow-shook-cat-shocked-funny-animals-gif-11060137

[shut lichen]

Typical English

[runic bough]

kitty gif mode enabled

[fallow hinge]

cuh meet me in the Asda car park and say that to my face

I'll sulk and go buy a Monster to get over it

[shut lichen]

Asda???

Tesco or bust

[runic bough]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-high-five-yes-oh-hell-gif-7842773935880303039

[fallow hinge]

there's no big tesco near me

[shut lichen]

Need a meal deal afterwards

[fallow hinge]

there's an asda and a morrisons

there is a tesco express near the pharmacy though

[shut lichen]

Not even a coop?

[latent oak]

thouhgts on lidl /aldi

[shut lichen]

Aldi is goated

[trail star]

I wonder what they are cooking for s3. Without s2 tier set outlaw will drop sleight of hand i think

[fallow hinge]

I love the tiny trolleys Lidl has - my niece loves it when we go lidl shopping

[latent oak]

i love seeing construction equipment in the middle isle

[runic bough]

Wow Beth not respond to kitty gif I'm flabbergasted

[fallow hinge]

Aldi's great too

[fallow hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-ball-jumping-playing-black-kitten-gif-9566146

[runic bough]

That's better

[fallow hinge]

you want guaranteed response, post a lizard or fops gif

[shut lichen]

Knockoff stuff they sell is real good

[fallow hinge]

you tried those mint chocolate things they have that are shaped like pringles?

[latent oak]

i hope these are curated gifs and not just searched for in the discord library

[trail star]

Cats' ability to leap vertically from a standstill defies physics.

[shut lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/scared-lizard-snake-gif-4579328

[latent oak]

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-running-funny-silly-pet-gif-17835355

[trail star]

lmao

[runic bough]

Did outlaw article get posted yet

[shut lichen]

Yessir

Shits gas

[fallow hinge]

My favourited gif selection is expansive, I have to search my favourites

[fallow hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-kittens-lizards-freak-out-funny-gif-3419491

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/putin-eating-yogurt-gif-25343133

[latent oak]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/756341138755027035/976159450962473060/1652713713928.gif

[fallow hinge]

perfectly evolved predators

[shut lichen]

You never fail to have the most interesting gifs

[late swallow]

Average interaction with a woman where zeross is from

[fallow hinge]

you know their reaction time is like insane right?

[runic bough]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dance-rainbow-cat-dance-bop-cat-cat-bop-dance-cat-dancing-gif-19883813

[latent oak]

xd

[trail star]

Yeah

I've seen comparisons with a fly and a snake

[fallow hinge]

like they can evade a rattlesnake's lunge

[runic bough]

Cat is faster than snake

[trail star]

and instantly slap her back

[latent oak]

u cant

[trail star]

xD

[latent oak]

?

[fallow hinge]

and that shit is like, 0.004s

[late swallow]

Mongoose reaction time tho

Bis

[trail star]

mongoose is an enchant

[shut lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-horse-reaction-reaction-elite-dangerous-borann-boys-gif-25049405

[late swallow]

Bro is on negative latency

[latent oak]

somnius reaction time when someone disses ryu is off the charts

[fallow hinge]

never had one lunge at me, so it's still up in the air

oh

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-snow-game-of-thrones-got-standing-his-ground-gif-8868056

[fallow hinge]

arctic weasel gifs

those'd also do it for me

[shut lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/komodo-dragon-komodo-hype-komodo-lizard-yawn-gif-19958764

[latent oak]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/363322658122760192/966768833518006333/1614636090903.gif

what about rotating gifs

[fallow hinge]

nah

[runic bough]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-15311809595941175438

[trail star]

[fallow hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/weasel-winter-snow-gif-11886981801628139307

look at it

so cute

[shut lichen]

Man komodos are cuties

[latent oak]

camo too good can only see the foot steps in teh snow

[trail star]

That's so cute

[fallow hinge]

arctic weasel :>

[shut lichen]

Wtf is that pachiritsu or something?

[late swallow]

Would love to chill with an orangutan or gibbon before I die

[trail star]

It stands like a meerkat

bro

[latent oak]

wtf

[gaunt phoenix]

Ok

[late swallow]

Lmaoooo

[shut lichen]

Somnius tier gif

Got solo's approval

[rancid portal]

Hi guys, one question, can we get our corruption starting tomorrow? Or will it be timegated? (Maybe lesser first and then greater)

[latent oak]

sorry solo wasnt on topic enoguh

[late swallow]

That shit was funny af bro

[runic bough]

https://tenor.com/view/did-you-see-that-butt-head-beavis-mike-judge's-beavis-and-butt-head-s1-e12-gif-9596377690350086709

[fallow hinge]

solo here to on topic us

[trail star]

According to pins you can farm it in day 1

[gaunt phoenix]

might be wrong

[rancid portal]

Nice, thank you!

[fallow hinge]

hopefully it'll be farmable on day 1, I need something to do on weds

[shut lichen]

I'm 8 mask rushing

[trail star]

I am about to resub just because of the corruptions

[shut lichen]

Till I get it done

[runic bough]

I got the event mace in like an hour

[trail star]

Its the first thing I did in WoW, corruptions

[shut lichen]

I like some challenge

[fallow hinge]

wonder if we'll get another cool title

[wintry solar]

Omg hi arctic weasel hiiii haiii ^-^

[latent oak]

im happy that tdev is best in slice

[shut lichen]

Think u get the og one

[rancid portal]

I’m still using that title

[fallow hinge]

I got the faceless one title the first week 5 mask SW was available on my shadow priest. It. was. hell

[late swallow]

5 mask on uhdk was ezpz that season

Magus did omega damage

[fallow hinge]

I do like the solo content. Zek'vir was really cool, Underpin was a disappointment

[wintry solar]

I never got the og title. Was too busy pounding n00bs in pvp as unholy

[runic bough]

What are we talking about now with masks?

[fallow hinge]

I did it the day after on my havoc dh and it was like.. free

[trail star]

Halloween

[late swallow]

Uhdk was so fun that season

Full gushing wound with the king’s rest sword

Just bum rush people

[wintry solar]

I had the axe from nyalotha that scaled in dmg with the more armor you got.

[haughty wigeon]

gethukku

bring it back cowards

[runic bough]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-kitty-mwah-love-you-cat-gif-4942856937092589912

[fallow hinge]

Yeah I want the old weapon corruptions back

[wintry solar]

This and Razdunks Big Red Button

[late swallow]

Cut of death (uncut since I’m not jewish)

[haughty wigeon]

real and true

[late swallow]

I mean if they bring back King’s rest for m+

[haughty wigeon]

i got motherload hammer with natural twlight dev 3

i was happy

[late swallow]

I’m sure that sword would be insane

[wintry solar]

I'm getting thay wep for sure

[late swallow]

Unless they nerf the effect or something

[wintry solar]

What were the stats for it again?

[latent oak]

surely kings rest is the least likely of the bfa dungeons to come back

[runic bough]

They could have brought the legendary neck back

[wintry solar]

Crit haste?

[late swallow]

It was insanely good that season

[late swallow]

I don’t think it had stats, just the bleed

[fallow hinge]

the heart of azeroth? no thanks

[runic bough]

Remember the legendary neck

Yeah

[fallow hinge]

it was an artifact neck though

[late swallow]

No stats, but the bleed was omega and it procced a ton

[fallow hinge]

not legendary

[runic bough]

It was pretty kewl

[latent oak]

was it?

[fallow hinge]

no, it was trash

[wintry solar]

Interesting

[latent oak]

i guess if u include the essences it was cool

[fallow hinge]

conflict and strife can go play in traffic

[latent oak]

beam went hard

[wintry solar]

I liked conflict and strife

[late swallow]

The blood essence from
Pvp was crazy on uhdk

[fallow hinge]

I hated that arena was required to get it

[haughty wigeon]

i liked meme beam

[latent oak]

what was outlaws conflict and strife?

sfa?

*dfa?

[haughty wigeon]

orbital strike

[wintry solar]

Maneuverability

[latent oak]

is that the sprint one

[ember goblet]

whats a good add-on or way to help with ADR up-time?

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[runic bough]

Remember the wheels of powers

We could choose them

[fallow hinge]

those sucked too

[latent oak]

turbo cringe

azerite armour

[runic bough]

[wintry solar]

Loved it

[latent oak]

i was giga casual in bfa tbf

[runic bough]

Yeah most of them sucked but some of them were op

And they stacked if u had more than one

[latent oak]

something can be very strong and still be cringe

[fallow hinge]

I played vengeance at the start of BfA. I needed triple Gemhide perks which were inner tier perks only available on m+ pieces and like, 1 raid piece

[wintry solar]

Crazy how I mostly remember uhdk from bfa yet bfa outlaw is my second best iteration of the spec

[fallow hinge]

without triple Gemhide, Fetid Devourer Myth was mathematically impossible as a vdh

[latent oak]

i did like combo point rtb

[runic bough]

Little did we know bfa was the last time we would see uncapped bf.

[wintry solar]

Sad but true

[runic bough]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-cat-sad-cat-me-when-i-dont-get-orod-tickets-gif-4209024956303099813

[fallow hinge]

It's fine though

MM is target capped lower

[runic bough]

NO ITS NOT FINE

[wintry solar]

Wits!

[runic bough]

TAKE THAT BACK

[fallow hinge]

nope

it's fine

[runic bough]

TAKE IT BACK

[fallow hinge]

nope

[wintry solar]

What was the void tentacle in bfa called?

[fallow hinge]

Tenty bro?

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[fallow hinge]

uh

twisted appendage

[wintry solar]

What a dude

[fallow hinge]

that one's coming back

[runic bough]

Well

[wintry solar]

They're all shells of their former selves

[fallow hinge]

they are indeed

[wintry solar]

The nostalgia won't work on me this time

I will not be enchanting

[fallow hinge]

yes it will

[wintry solar]

I'd just disappointed

[fallow hinge]

it's 3% better than not doing it

[latent oak]

it does feel weird that they added it to this patch ngl

like corruptionj on top of the turbo boost

feels very excessive

[fallow hinge]

I agree

[wintry solar]

Blozz plz

[latent oak]

corruption would have been enough with visions

[wintry solar]

Just one season of corruptions

With corruption scaling

You know you wanna

Add it in the fated season

[runic bough]

Corruptions are fake

[wintry solar]

You're fake

[fallow hinge]

fingers crossed they implement mid-patch vendor based corruption in s3 as a surprise

if they wanted to gate it still, raid renown

[runic bough]

They do 1/10 what they are those are fakes

[trail star]

What's turbo boost?

Raid buff?

[fallow hinge]

we're not getting a fated season this time are we?

[latent oak]

increased ilvl tracks by 2

[wintry solar]

Why wouldn't we?

[fallow hinge]

+2 upgrade tiers on hero and myth

[fallow hinge]

worldsoul saga, they're speeding up the expansion release cycle

[latent oak]

dr.atnos says he doubts that they will do one and he is never wrong

[trail star]

Thats like 2-3% dmg right

6 ilvls

[fallow hinge]

yeah about that

[runic bough]

We don't have to pay for the other versions right cause that's a scam

Tww should cover all 3 versions

[fallow hinge]

why would it

[runic bough]

Shorter seasons and contents

[wintry solar]

Guys

[fallow hinge]

I'd rather we get faster expansion cycle than massive droughts and filler seasons

[runic bough]

Not worth paying each time

[wintry solar]

Im manifesting a talent rn

[runic bough]

We already pay them enough and they don't do anything with it

[wintry solar]

Ryu

[runic bough]

Like the usa government

[wintry solar]

Boarding Party in pve. Yes or no?

[runic bough]

[fallow hinge]

they do a lot with it, like create expansions

[runic bough]

I think it was active before and was nerfed

[fallow hinge]

sometimes they miss with changes, but it's a farce to claim they're not doing anything with their money

that being said, it's still wildly unethical how profits don't go back into the workforce

but that's a separate issue

[wintry solar]

Any change to outlaw I don't like is a waste of money to me and I won't budge on this. I'm the main character of WoW.

[haughty wigeon]

i mean

anyone who expected corruptions now to be as strong as corruption in the past

was smoking really good shit

[fallow hinge]

^

[haughty wigeon]

that would be insane

[wintry solar]

Anytime blooz makes a change they should go through me

[vapid sundial]

ikd if anyone expected 50%+

[fallow hinge]

3% is around where incandescent essence averaged out

the one from amirdrassil

[haughty wigeon]

the moment they confirmed only the cool corruptions were coming back

i knew it wasnt gonna be that strong

[fallow hinge]

except flash of insight

[haughty wigeon]

that shit was as broken as stats

hpal perma wings

[fallow hinge]

it really was

but my bestial wrath uptime ain't 100% yet and I find that unacceptable

[haughty wigeon]

god man, corruptions and sl fucked over hpal hard

[runic bough]

Alright I'm clocked out of work heading home to test spell que window numbers

[wintry solar]

Lame

Test builds

[runic bough]

Pray that gives me 1mil more dmg

[fallow hinge]

the only builds I test

are whether or not I can sneak a few pulls of survival in before they make me go back to ranged

[wintry solar]

Play that gsw build mewo made a while back

All I did was sim it

[runic bough]

Im done with gsw until its uncapped

[latent oak]

its a st proc

[wintry solar]

If you're done with gsw until it's uncapped then you're done with fth. And if you're done with fth then you're done with PS. And if you're done with PS you're done with outlaw.

[runic bough]

[wintry solar]

I cracked the code

[fallow hinge]

hi, it's me, done with outlaw

[wintry solar]

RYU REROLLED

[wintry solar]

I was until I dropped ace and accidentally bought capo with dinar

[fallow hinge]

I bought jastor diamond

[wintry solar]

And equipped it

[fallow hinge]

because I needed mastery

for surv

[wintry solar]

Mastery doesn't help you survive goober

[latent oak]

surv very cool spec

[wintry solar]

We love Surv

[fallow hinge]

it actually does

[desert tendon]

[wintry solar]

How does Main Gauche help you survive

Hmm?

[runic bough]

I didnt play up to 12 resil keys on trololololster spec for nothing I want to at least get up to 16's.

[wintry solar]

Hmm?

[fallow hinge]

hella DR

[wintry solar]

That's not main gauche

[latent oak]

u can do it boss man i believe in u

[wintry solar]

Nerd

[fallow hinge]

never said it was

[wintry solar]

Not even rogue

[fallow hinge]

I said surv

[wintry solar]

Merd

Nerd

[vapid sundial]

They didnt say MG you did

[fallow hinge]

not "not dying"

[vapid sundial]

[wintry solar]

I know I'm kidding

[trail star]

That mastery looks strong

[vapid sundial]

[fallow hinge]

it is

[wintry solar]

I like their mastery a lot

[fallow hinge]

this iteration of their mastery is hella strong

[latent oak]

idk its just vers

boring

[trail star]

Do you have pink baby elephants as pets tho

[valid kindle]

the dr part unfutunately is flat and doesn't scale 😔

[wintry solar]

Every good mastery is boring

[vapid sundial]

basically

[latent oak]

ya wow stats are bad

[vapid sundial]

look at shaman

[trail star]

Its not

[vapid sundial]

rly good

but boring

[desert tendon]

stop mastering, start versailing now

[trail star]

Hpala mastery is really good, and is not boring

[desert tendon]

oh no

the blerp gang

[latent oak]

but i guess its that they are bad bc if they werent bad it would be annoying

[trail star]

Lmao

[fallow hinge]

colour coded

[latent oak]

which one is named jim

[fallow hinge]

blue is tenacity, red is ferocity, green is cunning

[wintry solar]

Isn't their mastery range effectivness?

[fallow hinge]

kinda

inc healing based on distance to target

[trail star]

Well, you play with beacons and range

[fallow hinge]

closer = more

[wintry solar]

That sounds annoying low-key frfr on GOD bruh

[vapid sundial]

That doesnt sound interesting

that sounds boring

[fallow hinge]

it is

[vapid sundial]

So once again

[fallow hinge]

you throw a beacon on ranged

[vapid sundial]

good mastery is boring

[fallow hinge]

and that's it

[valid kindle]

one beacon on tank, one on a ranged and forget about it, sounds like it'd be annoying in some raid fights though

[wintry solar]

Someone mentioned shammy

[vapid sundial]

I did

[wintry solar]

What's theirs

[vapid sundial]

Their mastery is good but boring

Uh

[trail star]

You usually switch beacons depending of the pack

[fallow hinge]

you need to hotswap beacons a lot to be properly effective on Sprocket mythic

one in red camp, one in blue camp, you in melee

[trail star]

idk about raid though

[vapid sundial]

enh is increased effectiveness of your malestrom spenders and chance to reset iirc

[wintry solar]

I see

[fallow hinge]

most of the time you throw it on a hunter or mage because they have less self healing

[valid kindle]

fair, I'm lazy and have only healed 12 on my pala so just leave it more often than not

[fallow hinge]

so they get more trickle value

but sprocket's special

[wintry solar]

That's about as fun a good mastery can be from how I'm interpreting it

[desert tendon]

hot take

[vapid sundial]

you also want a lot of it

[desert tendon]

main gauche is the best mastery in the game

[vapid sundial]

(im not fully geared bc not playing)

[desert tendon]

[vapid sundial]

but point stands

[wintry solar]

Does the chance scale?

[fallow hinge]

think you'll find MM is

no, fixed 40% chance

[latent oak]

i think its good for wow stats to be boring bc u dont want ur character to be unplayable with bad stats

[fallow hinge]

mastery scales damage

[desert tendon]

actually

nothing better than frost mage

i ve changed my mind

such a great mastery

[vapid sundial]

Increases your chance to trigger Stormbringer and Windfury Weapon by 0.64%, and increases all Fire, Frost, and Nature damage you deal by 16.0%. Your special attacks have a 5% chance to reset the remaining cooldown on Stormstrike.

[fallow hinge]

honestly, pretty good take

[wintry solar]

I'm actually envious of shammy players

[fallow hinge]

that and like

[wintry solar]

That's the one class I cannot get into

[desert tendon]

yes i dont want outlaw to be unplayable before the 20% haste mark

[vapid sundial]

I had fun

[valid kindle]

the damage side of enhance mastery is by far the most impactful part though

[fallow hinge]

haste, rng more damage, flat damage+dr, class specific gimmick stat

[desert tendon]

but also unplayble above the 20% haste mark

[fallow hinge]

all of the stats are boring

[valid kindle]

destro mastery is kinda neat but also just rng vers

[fallow hinge]

mechanically

it's the class interactions with the stats that make certain stats interesting

[desert tendon]

holy priest mastery isnt boring tho, it s just increasing with my level of laziness

[vapid sundial]

why not

[wintry solar]

Class fantasy

[fallow hinge]

class fantasy is why I'll never play warrior

[wintry solar]

Elemental stuff ain't my thing

[fallow hinge]

I just don't enjoy it

[vapid sundial]

what fantasy

just put on your onsie

and smack

[desert tendon]

[wintry solar]

You make a great case tbh

[desert tendon]

class fantasy in modern wow

[fallow hinge]

as important as it's always been

[desert tendon]

as elusive also

[wintry solar]

You're either 100% or 0%

[fallow hinge]

a lot more defined than it used to be though

[trail star]

Well

[fallow hinge]

I'm very big on class fantasy, personally

[wintry solar]

Same

[valid kindle]

onesie is indeed the correct xmog for enhancement

[desert tendon]

well fantasy there are winners and losers, but that s normal you cant just make it all perfect

[wintry solar]

Though spec fantasy is what I really prefer.

[desert tendon]

sadly, all 3 rogues specs are failing for a while to me

[fallow hinge]

^

[vapid sundial]

Yeh but sadly my guy is stuck waiting for ankh

[desert tendon]

maybe assa still got it s poison and bleed stuff going on

[fallow hinge]

that's why I didn't stick with rogue

[desert tendon]

well, maybe not it s just envenom now

[haughty wigeon]

an hunters still think theyre squishy btw :)

despite bm and survival probably some of the tankiest specs in the game

[desert tendon]

outclaw isnt a rogue spec liz !

[fallow hinge]

BM and MM kinda are, Surv is hella tanky rn

[haughty wigeon]

almost on parr with dk

[wintry solar]

I only play MMOs with necromancer-esque and pirate/brawler themes.

[haughty wigeon]

bm is def not squishy

[fallow hinge]

my raid leader won't let me go feral

[haughty wigeon]

literally play tank pet

you get another defensive and like 10% more stam

[fallow hinge]

5

[valid kindle]

mm as DR or sent is tankier than sv PL tbf

[haughty wigeon]

only suqishy if u need a hero

[valid kindle]

cause PL is ass

[desert tendon]

i always been either the sneaky dual wielder stealthi dude, or the bow ranger i dont like magic as u can tell

[fallow hinge]

DR is pretty tanky actually, good point

[haughty wigeon]

mm im not to sure about its defensive powers

[wintry solar]

Based

[desert tendon]

but hunter in wow wasnt really my thing

[haughty wigeon]

its a guilty pleasure spec for me

[desert tendon]

i liked sv but maybe because it was dumb and broken in sl

[haughty wigeon]

last alt to get leveled and gear

very chill

[wintry solar]

I'm surprised WoW still doesn't have a plate wearing sword and Board dps

[haughty wigeon]

first spec when i started the game

[fallow hinge]

tl;dr - sentinel gets a recharging absorb shield, dark ranger gets partial exhil on survival of the fittest, and partial sotf on exhil

[haughty wigeon]

prot says hello

[valid kindle]

bm is the squishiest of the 3 though

[wintry solar]

You know what I meannnn

[desert tendon]

and you get dat rizz sheeeeeesh

[latent oak]

hunters getting the turlte hat is so funny

i like it

[desert tendon]

sorry

[haughty wigeon]

i honestly dont believe that bm is squishy

[desert tendon]

still learning zoomer slang

[valid kindle]

because they have no extra defensive that the other specs have and are stuck to PL

[fallow hinge]

glad stance?

[wintry solar]

Would Link from zelda be a prot warrior or prot pally?

[haughty wigeon]

when i played it in df it was giga immortal

[wintry solar]

Prot spec. Not dps

[haughty wigeon]

and testing it in tww ptrs i still felt immortal

[wintry solar]

I mean an actual dps spec

[desert tendon]

prot war

for sure

[valid kindle]

it's not exactly squishy but it is the squishiest hunter spec

[desert tendon]

dude is spinning

[fallow hinge]

Gladiator stance used to be a dps talent though

[haughty wigeon]

fair enough

[latent oak]

a hoplite class would be sick proper spear combat is always underrepresented in games

[desert tendon]

oh yea

[frail veldt]

You want a shield spec to be a DPS?

[desert tendon]

i liked my battlespear in vindictus

[fallow hinge]

it's the squishiest spec because it doesn't really gain anything from leech, and there's almost nothing avoidance works on this tier

[frail veldt]

For what reason

[desert tendon]

ALSO

[frail veldt]

Just aesthetically?

[haughty wigeon]

bis bm pet

[desert tendon]

my second weapon was a meme but was so fun

it was

[wintry solar]

That's a fine argument. But does prot have BS? Also Link is in touch with a goddess so idk.

[desert tendon]

A FUCKING BATTLE UMBRELLA

[frail veldt]

What makes one hunter spec squishier than another don't they all have like the same defensives?

[latent oak]

whats wrong with a dps spec with a shield

[valid kindle]

even ignoring that, mm and sv have free dr and can run hero talents with actual bonus defensiveness if they want

[wintry solar]

Not anymore. It's too late for wow to add that.

[frail veldt]

Well I'm sure they would complain if they aren't tanky

[latent oak]

so make them tanky

[frail veldt]

Shields are a defensive tool

[fallow hinge]

Survival hunter gets strong leech value, DR marksman has better enhancements on its defensives, and BM's defensive is dependent on having another source of lust

[valid kindle]

swapping to PL made me miss don't look back

[frail veldt]

So a tank....

[latent oak]

shammies use shields

[vapid sundial]

bro guys shut up, im trying to read the chat

[vapid sundial]

Not enh

[desert tendon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke3Hy4_AgCc&t=103s

look at that

that was me

[latent oak]

ok what about the other 2

[desert tendon]

with my battleshade dancing

[vapid sundial]

idc about those other 2

ranged and healer

gross

[latent oak]

hopelite class would go hard as a dps

[desert tendon]

gosh i could die for vindictus gameplay in a modern game

fucking nexon

[wintry solar]

Random killing sprees would be really fuckin funny

Should make that a mastery

[haughty wigeon]

mm has dark ranger which i think is stronger defensively

surv has a mastery thats a dr

[fallow hinge]

much stronger defensively

[haughty wigeon]

bm best hero talent dr is a turtle hat

[fallow hinge]

MM also gets passive DR from their pet replacement

[latent oak]

based hat

[valid kindle]

poor shelly

[fallow hinge]

tiny turtle doing its best

be nice to the turtle

[haughty wigeon]

based hat

10/10

[wintry solar]

I love turtle

S

[valid kindle]

the one thing bm has going for it defensively over sv is more exhil cdr

since they generate/spend focus quicker

[frail veldt]

I'm surprised it's that big a difference

[valid kindle]

but that's so minor

[glass mortar]

no, i dont think i will

[frail veldt]

Kind of a goof on blizz's part

[fallow hinge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[glass mortar]

me when cosmetic defensive talent in a hero tree

😠

[valid kindle]

on the plus side pack leader has horse hair

which is silly good utility

[fallow hinge]

horse hair tether is so good

[haughty wigeon]

i mean if a spec is strong defensively

[valid kindle]

fucking ursol's on half the cd

on a hero talent

[haughty wigeon]

i think they can get away with some hero talents having lackluster defensive nodes

[fallow hinge]

you can also reduce it by casting kc or something

[valid kindle]

right

[haughty wigeon]

its not like we have any specs that are paper now

[valid kindle]

I forgot that was a thing

[haughty wigeon]

pre ret rework was terrible

u have bubble and a sov, thats it

[valid kindle]

I kinda felt like paper on enhance going from sv

[fallow hinge]

I mean, that is a good point, we don't really have paper specs

[valid kindle]

it's not that squishy but it's just squishier enough that it was noticeable

[haughty wigeon]

frankly it might be a hot take

[desert tendon]

i'd play paper spec

[haughty wigeon]

but there is such a blow up in defensive and utility department

due to talent trees

[fallow hinge]

SV is legit really tanky though

[glass mortar]

yes

[desert tendon]

so i could afk dead and chill

[glass mortar]

defensive creep is real

[haughty wigeon]

it kinda silly how much things specsh ave now

[fallow hinge]

even with pack leader

[glass mortar]

u can clearly see them trying to avoid some of it in the hero talents

[fallow hinge]

mastery and free leech goes hard

[glass mortar]

but then some people just get some wild stuff

[haughty wigeon]

it also doesnt help

[valid kindle]

and some people still cope tenacity pet is better smh

[fallow hinge]

players getting tankier just means they tune incoming damage higher, which harms healers the most

[valid kindle]

useful for one shots but otherwise give me the leech

[haughty wigeon]

that hunter is probably one of the most populated specs in the game

sop

[glass mortar]

them and paladins yea

neck and neck usually no?

[wintry solar]

The best pet is the one that matches my mog

[haughty wigeon]

you got a bunch of poor players that dont like pressing buttons

[fallow hinge]

hunters, palas and druids are usually competing for top

[haughty wigeon]

which still gives rise to the community percepotion of ret and hunter being squishy

[valid kindle]

you can have any pet be any specialization now

[haughty wigeon]

despite not being that

[valid kindle]

so I just have multiple different rats ready

[latent oak]

can u get earthworms as pets

[wintry solar]

Remember when we had to feed lets?

Pets

[fallow hinge]

https://www.wow-petopia.com/family.php?id=worm

[valid kindle]

I need one of these

[fallow hinge]

Petopia is one of the best things to happen to hunters

[latent oak]

not wormy enough gg

[glass mortar]

i was planning to do a nice pet gathering weekend

[latent oak]

i'll stick to my goats i guess

[glass mortar]

but then blizzard took a fat dumpo on survival

so now ive barely touched my hunter all season

[cedar kernel]

brothers

[glass mortar]

zzz

[cedar kernel]

i did it

[glass mortar]

need to find the time to gear him up

[cedar kernel]

just cost me 11 days

[wintry solar]

I wish we could tame pets and just have them go to the stable. Kinda tired of needing to go back every 5 pets

[latent oak]

look at this fella

[cedar kernel]

[fallow hinge]

surv's doing well in ST, but struggling in m+, it's kinda awkward

[desert tendon]

bac

[latent oak]

gm bac

[glass mortar]

its not about dps

[desert tendon]

have u quitted wow or what

[glass mortar]

its about

[cedar kernel]

gm brothers i didnt sleep

no i just retiring

[wintry solar]

Gm bac

[glass mortar]

them taking steaming dump in the design at the start of the season

[valid kindle]

have you tried it since pl was made usable?

[cedar kernel]

or resting

[glass mortar]

yes

its just

[valid kindle]

cause it feels nice now

[desert tendon]

retire from outlaw

[glass mortar]

worst then it was last season

[fallow hinge]

buy some of these

[desert tendon]

that s a nice idea

[fallow hinge]

portable stables

[glass mortar]

and thats it.

[valid kindle]

single target sentinel was dreadful in comparison

[glass mortar]

makes it hard to stomach

[cedar kernel]

no like the whole retire

[wintry solar]

Oooooooo awesome

[cedar kernel]

i am learning APL rn btw

[valid kindle]

I do miss my hard hitting KS

[glass mortar]

less fun to play, procs barely matter, u spam MB endlessly but the stacks dont matter

its just a matter of if u have stacks u cast it

very boring engagement with the talent

very sad they decided to go this direction

last season survival was peak

[valid kindle]

one proc matters

4pc

that's it

[glass mortar]

yea nd u get 1 proc every ~1m of that shit right

40s or something is the average gap

its just so sad compared to last season

[wintry solar]

When is the outlaw article coming out gahdamn

[glass mortar]

[valid kindle]

getting 3 on opener on sprocket and spiking 10mil was alright though

but yeah I get what you mean

[fallow hinge]

you can hotswap pets too. Drop stable, pop lust with ferocity pet, drag tenacity pet from stable into the slot your active ferocity pet's in, it instantly unsummons your pet so you can insta swap to tenacity for the defensive without the 3s dismiss cast,.

[royal hollow]

you can get a mount of this

[latent oak]

i have all of them bruv

from half hill farm

and more came out in remix

[wintry solar]

I won't need that tech. I'm super casual on my hunter these days lol

[fallow hinge]

takes a bit of practice to get it right, but it's pretty useful in a pinch

[latent oak]

best content in the game frfr

[royal hollow]

i dont think i have all of them but i did go back to mop and do the gardening dailies for it

[latent oak]

that and mop fishing dailies