outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

ks costs more than bte

[frail veldt]

^

[runic bough]

Ye so I cast bte and then pool for ks?

[frail veldt]

no?

[runic bough]

But I'll have no cp

[red zinc]

pool

[runic bough]

And zero energy

[red zinc]

[gaunt phoenix]

you just bte and then build to ks

[frail veldt]

if you have zero energy you arent "pooling" until your next global

thats just playing the game

thats not pooling

pooling is when you intentionally DONT press buttons that cost energy to increase your energy pool

[runic bough]

Ye

[frail veldt]

im not pooling beteween every global lol

[tropic zephyr]

We don't pool here

Pool's closed

[proven ocean]

[thorn river]

sorry, forgot the /s

[runic bough]

Like even with adr, having no energy do u gets get that too

[frail veldt]

yeah sometimes

not as HO no GS though

you have to be using globals incorrectly to run out of energy as HO no GS

but go re-read zacs log review of yours ryu

you have a lot of realllly bad mistakes youre making

like spending globals pressing BF while in a crackshot window while Adr is up...

without deft

[runic bough]

Yeah so they are 2mil overall mistake I see

[frail veldt]

yes

[thorn river]

shit adds up fast

[runic bough]

I'm switching to kir now so let's see maybe I play that better

[frail veldt]

I wouldnt recommend that

[daring oxide]

bro

if u cant play HO properly yet

[thorn river]

stay at HO if ur still learning

[daring oxide]

KIR will be way more rough

[runic bough]

I did better overall with kir last time

[proven ocean]

he can't play both properly

so it doesnt matter

[gaunt phoenix]

fuck it, kir time

[frail veldt]

you severely overvalue small sample sets of data

[proven ocean]

fuck it, kir time

[dense bolt]

Be nice zero man

[runic bough]

[proven ocean]

im bad too ok

[thorn river]

Kir the mother of my children

[runic bough]

Zeross and Timmy are my biggest fans

[frail veldt]

doing better once in one key is not a good repesentation of an overall trend

[proven ocean]

see

im his biggest fan

[runic bough]

[proven ocean]

!

[frail veldt]

I would play HO no GS until you can get over 85% adr uptime in a key

[daring oxide]

i saw your logs before ryu

your ADR is a bit demonic

so try to work on that uptime to make it better

[livid sluice]

how bad was it

[gaunt phoenix]

i believe in you ryu

[proven ocean]

i've never seen vurai mention the word demonic before it has to be something diabolical

[runic bough]

That was before I had ambush macro

[proven ocean]

[frail veldt]

Yeah Ryu im rooting for you

[daring oxide]

well

[frail veldt]

just gotta stick to it

[daring oxide]

thing is i have high hopes for ryu

[frail veldt]

follow the rules

[daring oxide]

since he seems like a very active outlaw

[runic bough]

That was before ambush macro in stealth bar

[daring oxide]

i had expectations he'd be proficient by now

considering his high APM at yapping

[proven ocean]

dont continue that

[daring oxide]

seems like the perfect outlaw

[proven ocean]

[runic bough]

[proven ocean]

its alright everyone is bad at many things

not everyone can do everything perfectly

[daring oxide]

but then again many of us here who have played outlaw constantly for years have mental illness apparently

[tropic zephyr]

True, we know about the yap/rio correlation

[gaunt phoenix]

i have to ask how you do so many keys without realizing you arent pressing ambush

[daring oxide]

i can take that

[daring oxide]

i wonder this too...

[proven ocean]

[thorn river]

i have my stampcard full

[runic bough]

I knew something was off guys

I kept telling you

Then Zac found it

[proven ocean]

wait was he playing HO without ambush

??

[runic bough]

Ye

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[gaunt phoenix]

Ambush not bound in stealth

[runic bough]

[proven ocean]

naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[tropic zephyr]

I saw that last time and it sent me so hard

[daring oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-lebron-james3-guy-dude-kirby2-gif-26056251

[runic bough]

[proven ocean]

thats like playing sub without shadowdance

💀

[runic bough]

Hello police

[pearl girder]

hi does anyone know how to enable swipe cooldown animation on zac's weakauras

[daring oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-gif-24107071

[runic bough]

[livid sluice]

sin no rupture

[thorn river]

there are criminals who didnt do something that bad

[tropic zephyr]

Man this is sending me

[daring oxide]

pretty sure ryu broke out of a max security prison because he is the most criminal outlaw known to azeroth

[fluid meadow]

wait, now ryu has to retry every of his cooked build with ambush

[daring oxide]

playing fatebound and attempting to 'cook' a build for m+ while doing follower dungeon dps

[runic bough]

OMG YES

[daring oxide]

i admire the boldness

[runic bough]

[young wadi]

I just got my outlaw rogue to 80, are delves difficult as a rogue in general?

[vivid vessel]

funny thing is he didnt realize it himself

he would have never known 💀

[gaunt phoenix]

No not really

maybe without gear and familiarity with the class

can feel rough

[daring oxide]

play trickster, slap tricks on brann and delves are free

healer brann ideally

[young wadi]

With all the catchup I’m currently at 620

[gaunt phoenix]

yes you can permanently misdirect to brann

[young wadi]

Thanks guys! I’m having fun with rogue I was playing warlock for awhile but just not a fan coming from classic to retail

I feel like I’m playing a zoomer version of warlock

[shut lichen]

that doesn't sound right

enjoying rogue?

[proven ocean]

can i misdirect you

[livid sluice]

sounds illegal

[gaunt phoenix]

no !!

[proven ocean]

!!

[vivid vessel]

ross

imainge you wake up one day

[young wadi]

I am! My dps is horrible and I die a lot but I’m learning from the discord and trying to get familiar with it

[proven ocean]

ac

[vivid vessel]

and your name is zeross

💀

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-silly-cat-cat-explode-yellow-cat-gif-12654556298327310612

[proven ocean]

imagine you wake up one day

and ur an outlaw player

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-silly-cat-cat-explode-yellow-cat-gif-12654556298327310612

[vivid vessel]

??

bro lfg is discusting

[young wadi]

I also uhhh started a rogue to tmog farm lol

[frail veldt]

well he knew he wasnt pressing it he just thought it automatically ambushed while in stealth

[young wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-yeah-e-minor-all-right-yeah-clapping-applause-gif-23418337

[frail veldt]

granted, I think audacity should also just make SS turn into Ambush while you have subterfuge buff

[gaunt phoenix]

whyy

[frail veldt]

why not

ambush shouldnt even be a button

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel everyone started copying my gear and everything for sin so i started logging out with this gear so i dont get asked 24/7 on why im running vers

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean

[frail veldt]

outside of bugs, theres no reason to SS in stealth as HO

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont want to have this convo

[proven ocean]

theres one rn

[livid sluice]

I saw that lmfao

[vivid vessel]

nice gear bro

[magic shuttle]

uncapped aoe trinket op

[vivid vessel]

ah ty

[proven ocean]

np

[daring oxide]

why u running vers ross/

[proven ocean]

our healer said he can heal the 21

so maybe we can do it world first if nothing goes wrong

[runic bough]

Outlaw Yap Mode Enabled

[magic shuttle]

can't I find your gearset through raider.io anyway?

[daring oxide]

helena?

[proven ocean]

ya

[daring oxide]

absolute chad

[proven ocean]

i think its possible too cuz

the 20 we did 2-3 weeks ago

was absolutely DEMONIC hard

[vivid vessel]

if you are outlaw its so easy

0 healing required

jhust a thought

[frail veldt]

tru

[proven ocean]

its funny that sub is just as tanky as outlaw

[frail veldt]

hilarious watching my entire group nearly die on the pulsing aoe of swampface

and im just sitting 100%

[proven ocean]

if not abit tankier in some situations

[runic bough]

If its a big pull as Outlaw, do u just cast cloak and evasion and hope the pack dies before they end

[vivid vessel]

well outalw vanish a lot more i think

[frail veldt]

no

[vivid vessel]

should have more self healing

maybe

honestly idk

[runic bough]

When I get into 12's I do that and survive so its working

[frail veldt]

you want to save cloak for after a bad KS

[runic bough]

[frail veldt]

packs arent dying in 5 seconds

so youre just wasting cloak tbh

[runic bough]

12's they still die pretty fast

[frail veldt]

not 5 seconds no

[vivid vessel]

bro wdym

[proven ocean]

it does yes

[frail veldt]

they dont die in your opener crackshot

[vivid vessel]

do you just use cloak

[proven ocean]

but

issue is

killingspree

[vivid vessel]

and hope you kill pack before end

[frail veldt]

use cloak every pack

[vivid vessel]

ryuk

[frail veldt]

5 seconds

[vivid vessel]

you are so cooked

[frail veldt]

kill pack

[vivid vessel]

my man

[proven ocean]

zac

[runic bough]

Well the other dps died except me

[proven ocean]

how much gold for ur fetish leak??

[frail veldt]

dude what if ryu is actually an alt account

designed to tilt zac

[proven ocean]

my guy said

DESIGNED

LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

man i love mewo

[vivid vessel]

thats ross

[proven ocean]

as cooked as he can be sometimes

[runic bough]

Well its only the casters that kill the dps

[proven ocean]

?!

[runic bough]

Casting cloak is smart

[proven ocean]

ryu is like

the opposite of me

absolutely calm

[vivid vessel]

you know what you did

[proven ocean]

never gets mad

never argues

never makes mistakes

[runic bough]

My mistakes are not knowing that I'm making a mistake but once I do I fixes it

[proven ocean]

well

gaming is different for many ppl cuz

if they weren't playing it while they were young

they'll eventually wont be as good

even if they try later on

i was kinda born playing wow

it was my first hobby

and i never dropped it

[random stirrup]

how old are u zeross

[proven ocean]

24

[vivid vessel]

young ass

[random stirrup]

unc

[proven ocean]

i played wow when i was 6-7 yrs old

but i was obviously rly bad and just killing pigs

[daring oxide]

i haven't seen u fix anything yet m8

[proven ocean]

and lvl 1 mobs

[random stirrup]

am 23, played wow when I was 4

[steady crane]

honnestly wow isn't "that hard" of a game.
I don't want to say it's ez to be top 1. But lot of thing need to be learn and knowledge is more important that pure machanics.

[proven ocean]

nice

[runic bough]

My dps went up a lot after the ambush fix

[proven ocean]

dont think i played classic wow

idk if i did if anything i pressed W only

[daring oxide]

i saw you doing a priory 12 in the other thread doing below 4mil dps in a dungeon where people are doing 6-7.6mil dps overall

what u gotta say to that eh

[steady crane]

Maybe i'm wrong but that statement can be true for other game, imo wow is largely undersatndable/good at even if you're "old"

[random stirrup]

i dont remember much but I have still have my og rogue

[daring oxide]

what ambush fix? did blizzard hotfix ambush for ya

[random stirrup]

i do know when I came back a bit later in cata i literally just mashed every single button on my bar at the same time on fdk

whatever happens happens

[runic bough]

The macro

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

he bound ambush

[daring oxide]

i have a good tip i can share

sometimes when you struggle to learn a topic

in this case

pressing ambush

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel wanna do 12 keys

[daring oxide]

you can make flashcards

[proven ocean]

on alt

?

i tank

!

[daring oxide]

on the front, (what builder to press as HO in stealth/sub), on the otherside: ambush

[vivid vessel]

let me finish my delve

[thorn river]

whats that macro for offhand switch in keys ?

[daring oxide]

why u doing delve scrubba

[vivid vessel]

idk

[leaden folio]

juicy loot

[daring oxide]

#outlaw message

[leaden folio]

some mushroom

[thorn river]

ty

[long barn]

Do any of these trinkets have better ratings based on H or KIR 1/2 or ST Boss. Or we still just basically simming / droptomizer

[runic bough]

Vai do a 12 and post overall

[fluid meadow]

new loading screen tips make sure u have ambush bound

[runic bough]

Oh loktark posted a 15 log I should look at his rotations

I'm more familiar with looking at the logs now

I havnt looked at rotation page yet though

[daring oxide]

i did 7.6mil in a 12 priory last week on wednesday

[livid sluice]

as ho?

[daring oxide]

KIR 1FTH

[runic bough]

Wtf haxzor

I'm gonna play that tonight

Lets see

[daring oxide]

it helps to have good pulls and a good tank

but importantly play correctly

[gaunt phoenix]

magnet is more single target oriented

[daring oxide]

and as many buffs as possible

without all raid buffs

it would of been 6.6mil

but solo confirmed

that the buffs were indeed 1mil dps

[red zinc]

did you miss a buff then

[frail veldt]

bro

read the faq

[daring oxide]

i had hunter, warrior, monk and druid buff

[frail veldt]

no one is doing any secret rotation

its all in the faq

[red zinc]

wrong

it doesnt say to bind ambush on stealth bar in the faq

[livid sluice]

xd

[runic bough]

Yeah sus

[red zinc]

type shit

[runic bough]

Very sus

[daring oxide]

this was before last boss on priory 12:

[runic bough]

Yeah I can do aoe fine

[thorn river]

I need to raid 😦 done yapping

[runic bough]

Its my single target

[daring oxide]

ye but this is 8.3mil overall

dropped to 7.6m after boss died

but again had 4 buffs

[vivid vessel]

are you still not full buffed

gilded sory

[daring oxide]

erm

[vivid vessel]

why are you spamming

12s

[daring oxide]

no

[red zinc]

this was from last week

[daring oxide]

i haven't done 12s in a while

[vivid vessel]

aah

[daring oxide]

after our keys zac

i went back to work again for the rest of the week 😭

[red zinc]

they should let us transfer crests during this turbo boost thing aswell ngl

[daring oxide]

100%

i would prefer to spam keys as outlaw

and transfer crests to my alts

so much easier/faster

[red zinc]

im trying to remember if we ever could

dont think so

only flightstones and shi

[gaunt phoenix]

never could

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

fuck man

[runic bough]

Zeross and Zac adventure series coming to YouTube when

[royal sphinx]

Guys is it normal eye of kezan sims very low ?

[night dragon]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[thorn river]

i would pay for this

[smoky venture]

I only have H Molten Knuckles, should I be using those in my keys for boss fights?

Talking low keys, like the 15-17 range

Im not sure how to sim for bosses in dungeons

[rotund token]

"Low keys" lol

[civic void]

Sure, though you don't mention the alternative (cudgel I assume ?)
A patchwerk sim is fine for your second point I guess

[smoky venture]

Using the Cudgel in all trash before bosses, and swapping it out with MK when its boss time.

I have 684 weapons, just MK seems to sim higher for a 5min Patchwerk

[somber ridge]

how do you deal with killing spree on candle king? I just started pressing it on cd with 1 cp so i dont get stunned every time, there is a better way for sure though?

[smoky venture]

But most bosses in dungeons only last around 2 - 3 1/2 mins

[jolly geyser]

tank moves him

[smoky venture]

Pray that you play with a tank that knows about KS

[somber ridge]

yeah, not happening. there's still enough value in ks to press it with 1 cp tho right?

im pugging 10s to gear this guy, there's no way tanks will do the thing

[random stirrup]

1 cp ks >> not pressing it

its like 6% loss vs. 19% or something

[eager viper]

Any news on corruptions for us? Are we gushing wound gamers?

[somber ridge]

aight. in general there's a shitload of situations where I feel like it's not entirely safe to press KS with 6 cp (big ground aoes and stuff), I'll just stick to low cp KS in these situations until I feel more comfortable

[civic void]

Tbf as long as the ground things don't stun you/wipe the group or are close to one shots you can send and you will simply end up with a debuff your healer should pretty much passively heal

[random stirrup]

feint before pressing if you're scared helps a lot

[runic bough]

Anytime we have a highlighted mech and use trollingspree basically

[somber ridge]

I'm 630 ilvl doing 10s and I basically lost my life to KSing in the big candle guy aoe

[civic void]

I guess with your gear it's fine to overthink it a bit but yeah I don't think your goal should be to come out of ks with no dot ever if that make sense

[frail veldt]

yeah you essentially have to memorize how much damage every aoe thing does

and know which ones are worth risking

and which ones you can survive

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel +10 tanked with 611 ilvl

[patent mirage]

i wish we had quaking now

to ks with

[vivid vessel]

fake

he equipped 680 gear before key

[somber ridge]

yeah I get it. Ty, I really dislike KS so far but apart from that I feel like I'm playing the most fun version of outlaw since the target cap :> I'll get used to it

[proven ocean]

@red zinc ty for the boost

[red zinc]

screenshotted and saved for blackmail

[proven ocean]

[quasi notch]

Can Nightfalls curseblade's cudgel become hero track?

[frail veldt]

no

[keen belfry]

why

[proven ocean]

because

[crude anchor]

ya

[burnt oasis]

hi new to outlaw, would it be a bad thing to macro bte>dispatch?

[frail veldt]

you literally cant

theyre both on gcd so you cant just put them in one macro

[quasi notch]

Gcd

[frail veldt]

some people have tried a stance detection condition for dispatch/bte

but they dont work well due to stance delay

!stancedelay

[ornate heath]

Stance delay is caused by exiting or entering another stance,
Macros or bar swapping will have a small delay and can result in a miss fire.
In the example of the Dispatch/BtE macro it could cast a Dispatch after a Vanish> Dispatch/BtE macro.
This can also happen at the end of a stance, resulting in a BtE being sent, without your control, right as Subt/Dance expire and putting it up on cd.

[frail veldt]

less of an issue now that bte resets cd when we vanish but it is a problem for your first bte when you enter vanish if it instead sends a dispatch

but yeah short answer is no dont macro bte/dispatch

[burnt oasis]

cool ty

[drowsy pebble]

yo! for the zac WA pack. Is there a way to increase the volume to the sounds? Pistol proc, ace refund etc?

I love the WA just wish it was a bit louder without cranking the volume on my game lol

[round dragon]

This is just a similar WA, you can choose which channel it is and control its volume compared to the rest. I don't think you can make new audio channels but that would be cool if you can.

[long barn]

What talents

[daring oxide]

KIR 1FTH

[azure vortex]

Bro how you deal 6-7m overalls I do 3.5 at most

[gaunt phoenix]

depends how you pull, priory you can pull the entire key constantly, we do like 10 million at target cap

& first boss inflates overall

[weak crag]

do i roll before i ks allways or?

[gaunt phoenix]

no you roll as soon as you need to roll

not related to ks

[late swallow]

someone told me that solo likes femboys

is this true? @gaunt phoenix

[gaunt phoenix]

for HO build, if RTB is off cooldown and you have under 4 buffs, you are rolling

[gaunt phoenix]

No

[late swallow]

fuck then why did I shave my legs then

[gaunt phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-steve-carell-michael-scott-why-are-you-the-way-you-are-pissed-gif-5226128

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-legs-workout-squarepants-gif-5158263

[umbral verge]

how far behind is fatebound if i dont wanna play killing spree

[late swallow]

in aoe it's pretty bad

like 10-15% iirc

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

Not Good

[pliant wind]

blizz will be smart enough to change KS for blade rush?

[umbral verge]

fatebound hurts my eyes and head

[unkempt dew]

More guns please

[umbral verge]

😵

[drowsy pebble]

thanks

[craggy barn]

i see them changing ks in 12.0 than moving it to br

[azure vortex]

You have a noob outlaw player, 680 ilvl, 21% haste, 29% versatility. You put it in floodgate +14 no party damage buffs, what overall damage you expect from that person?

[craggy barn]

3.8-4.6m

[gaunt phoenix]

like 4m

[pliant wind]

3M

HO or KiR

?

[gaunt phoenix]

doesnt matter

[azure vortex]

kir, forgot to mention that

[craggy barn]

my numbers still stand

[pliant wind]

then is less

he is gonna die after pressing KiR

then fun

[gaunt phoenix]

Floodgate is a like 5m dungeon with standard pulls

chop off 20% cause noob

[pliant wind]

only 20% if he doesnt know outlaw?

uf

[gaunt phoenix]

i guess there is a wide range of noob

[azure vortex]

I did 3.36 with 1 wipe, I need to improve

very very bad

[pliant wind]

i saw reprension paladins dealing 3M in floodgate with 672

idk if he was an outlaw how much he will be dealing then

[gaunt phoenix]

what was your AR uptime?

[craggy barn]

do we have any preliminary sims on corruption enchant for outlaw?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

its echoing void

everywhere

[craggy barn]

whats the rough gain?

[red zinc]

@proven ocean

[gaunt phoenix]

2.5-3

[vapid sundial]

I loved enh last season

nothing was on me

my only job was to blast and knock if told

My healer would yell at me if i used defensives myself instead of called for

such a good time

legit payphone

[red zinc]

wat

[azure vortex]

80

[proven ocean]

[gaunt phoenix]

probably places to improve then

it's not bad tho

not bad bad

[random stirrup]

here's a 10 with no party buffs where our tank pulled like it was a 14

log obv so dmg will look lower

[gaunt phoenix]

you can hover over the active %

should show dps that is closer to details

[proven ocean]

[random stirrup]

4.9M

[gaunt phoenix]

zero

why are you astronaut

[proven ocean]

hi

[craggy barn]

hes going to the moon

[proven ocean]

i travelled to space to acquire some +20 keys but the rocket exploded and we died

[gaunt phoenix]

i see

[proven ocean]

[late swallow]

zeross the kinda guy to wear a shiesty when he makes a deposit at the sperm bank

[gaunt phoenix]

[sacred rune]

@vivid vessel like this?

[random stirrup]

how assa motw more than 3%

[late swallow]

damn sin likes shout by a whole 1% more than law

that's crazy

[sacred rune]

haha ye

[late swallow]

your subt mid-season article was a banger btw

[vivid vessel]

ye thats very good

[proven ocean]

ye sin gains alot

[vivid vessel]

but for slice !

[proven ocean]

lots of things sin gains from atk speed

[sacred rune]

oh you want one for dungeon slice too

i can add that

[vivid vessel]

i think its mostly for slice

for st its jsut like

a curiosity i guess

but for slice its actually interesting

like which buffs do i actually want to take

[fallow hinge]

the good ones

[sacred rune]

thanks, i spend a bit more time talking about pain points than other articles i feel.
Turns out one of the comments was still unhappy i did not talk enough about delves and solo content ^^
(its good critisism tbh)

[sacred rune]

sure, ill just re-run it with slice profiles

should be easy

[gaunt phoenix]

[sacred rune]

ye

[gaunt phoenix]

3.9% seems low

[sacred rune]

it depends on the talent setup

[vivid vessel]

im surprised outlaw gain so little compared to the other 2

from shout

[random stirrup]

alright zac get to it

im sure theres a bug in there somewhere

chop chop

[vivid vessel]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

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[sacred rune]

alright ill do dungeon slice in a sec, moment

[fallow hinge]

Zac, do other people know you're secretly Tomrus yet or is it still a secret?

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel i need ur help on something

[vivid vessel]

i guess this outlaw profile plays both damage trinket

instead of stats

compared to sub/assa

that copuld explain the difference ?

im not sure

[gaunt phoenix]

fatebound

wait no

or yes?

magic damage

[narrow sorrel]

we wanna hit AR before RTB or the other way around

[vivid vessel]

ah fate doesnt work with shout ?

[gaunt phoenix]

am i dumb

[vivid vessel]

that make sense ye

or well

no

it scales with ap

that doesnt make sense

for monk sure

but why for war

[gaunt phoenix]

ok its not fatebound

[vivid vessel]

its jsut items

on st

right

[gaunt phoenix]

that profile has circlet ring

[craggy barn]

wait

[vivid vessel]

ah make sense

[craggy barn]

fazed is bugged and works for the whole raid?

[gaunt phoenix]

the parry i think so

[vivid vessel]

ye nah that profile must be trash

[craggy barn]

crazy

[vivid vessel]

there is no way the ring is simming better for that profile lol

even in st

well idc i want slice anywya

slice is the interesting part

[vivid vessel]

waht

[sacred rune]

alright

!fuu

[ornate heath]

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[sacred rune]

subtlety rly likes some of the buffs

[craggy barn]

huh why is chaos brand so high,

is it bc of the oh?

[vivid vessel]

ah nice

thats more like i expected

and i guess the last % we are missing on shout is just trinkets

cause outlaw profile is using double damage ones

[sacred rune]

probably

[vivid vessel]

funny we gain more from chaos brand tho ?

thats weird

[sacred rune]

corruption too possibly

[vivid vessel]

you arent simming a weird fatebound profile right

[sacred rune]

ye, i took the higher simming slice one

[vivid vessel]

nooooo

[craggy barn]

LOL

[vivid vessel]

fatebound is not simming higher fuu

its 15% behind 💀

[sacred rune]

wait

moment

[craggy barn]

[sacred rune]

ill check

[craggy barn]

the raw says fb kir

[vivid vessel]

bro 15% behind is wiiild

ah so cringe you cant open the html on these sims

[sacred rune]

na its trickster

[gaunt phoenix]

i think its because of low precision

[sacred rune]

i just forgot to rename

[gaunt phoenix]

its not fatebound

[vivid vessel]

ye you are right

[vivid vessel]

i mean dh being higher for outlaw is a surprise to me

[sacred rune]

yes, profilesets do sadly go to lower precision on some of the buffs

should still be fine

[vivid vessel]

just trinkets and weapon ?

[gaunt phoenix]

if you use profilesets in advanced sim, you have to specify iterations=100000, or it will throw them in low precision

[sacred rune]

does it work with profilesets, i assumed it does not

but ill try

moment

[gaunt phoenix]

ye it does, a bit weird

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tdp8cupBibU2jy2YaBG1gJ

[vivid vessel]

remove the target_error=0.1

[gaunt phoenix]

it will say everything is low precision but it's not

[sacred rune]

lets re-run

the 3 profiles

[vivid vessel]

ah

chaos only 0.4% now

[lean bronze]

Can u link a sheet pls?

[vivid vessel]

ok make sense

the low precision thing

[sacred rune]

!sheet

[vivid vessel]

fucking with us

[ornate heath]

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[lean bronze]

oww thx:D

[vivid vessel]

its kinda what i expected tho

mark is hgiher than i tought it would be

but the rest is about how i tought it would go

[gaunt phoenix]

also battle shout and mystic touch are quite literally the same thing, you can put the same result

[vivid vessel]

no they arent or ?

hm

ok for the example of fatebound

right

the coins would scale with ap

but not do more damage with touch no ?

cause touch is only for phys damage

[gaunt phoenix]

ya you're right

[vivid vessel]

and for a bunch of sub spells it would be similar

its just weird for outlaw cause we do 100% physical damage

[sacred rune]

sub has like 50% shadow damage

[gaunt phoenix]

they are not the same

[sacred rune]

^^

so for sub its easy to explain

[craggy barn]

dslice question, when does it use lust

[vivid vessel]

on first boss

since its slice its a boss at start

[hybrid crown]

They get a crazy amount of benefit from sky fury compared to us tho

[vivid vessel]

yeye

sub totem is crazy

they get cps from auttos so

[gaunt phoenix]

For 100% phys they are the same

[vivid vessel]

and assa energy starve

but outlaw have melees that cleave !

[craggy barn]

skyfury is also mastery

[vivid vessel]

but ye

sinc eassa gain so much more from st cause of energy gains

while we dont really need the energy gain

[sacred rune]

okay

thats reasonable

chaos brand 0.4

[vivid vessel]

ye make sense

[craggy barn]

now it makes sense

[gaunt phoenix]

makes sense

[west dirge]

i don’t understand shit

[gaunt phoenix]

the value of raidbuffs

[sacred rune]

just how much damage you get from each buff

in mythic+

so you know who you want in your group

[west dirge]

but why chaos brand before was 2.1 and now 0.4? that’s what i mean that i didn’t get why it dropped?

[vivid vessel]

it was low precisions sims

[gaunt phoenix]

It was a quirk of raidbots

[vivid vessel]

so numbers where just wrong

[west dirge]

oh okay got it

[sacred rune]

alright, thanks solo

[vivid vessel]

ty a lot fuu

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

sooo

you miss

ye 15% damage

with a bad comp

[steep orbit]

!fuu

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[vivid vessel]

altough idk if you can do a 4 buff comp realisitcally

[gaunt phoenix]

That's more than like every rotation error combined

[vivid vessel]

i think it has to be either monk or either shaman

[kindred token]

hey guys, i just started gearing my outlaw (620 ilv rn) and i got the cartel chips from the quest, what do you think i should spend them on first?

[vivid vessel]

cannt really get both

[kindred token]

literally anything is an upgrade so idk

[vivid vessel]

unless you have actuall full melee comp

which might be cancer

[craggy barn]

druid, war, monk, rogue, shaman

[gaunt phoenix]

It's either capo's molten knuckles or trinkets

[vivid vessel]

ye but

[gaunt phoenix]

There's a pin about it

[vivid vessel]

you then get a mw

and then a sham dps

but elem doesnt fit the comp

its a bit troll

enhance would fit

[kindred token]

is there? i didnt notice it

[vivid vessel]

but then its a melee

[craggy barn]

yea SOL to fit a range in

unless they make OL ranged pepw

wheres the AI raid buff for the sims 😠 pepw

[frail veldt]

Wow didn't realize motw was so close to sky fury

[hybrid crown]

Brewmaster then you can free up that useless non meta Dh buff that lame casters want

[frail veldt]

Dh adds DPS by just making pulls easier haha

[sacred rune]

mow is underrated

its rly good

[craggy barn]

ya

big hybrid buff

really good at high keys

[runic bough]

Hmm

Lots of yapping I missed

Mystical touch from what class

[abstract frost]

We run brew/rogue/arms/feral/rsham and we do fine

All buffs are welcome

[shut lichen]

i thought it was pretty highly rated?

[abstract frost]

We managed to get to 3800 with that comp

Gets kinda crazy in some dungeons with full melee 😂

At least healing rain gets value

[shut lichen]

full melee comps have my respect

[vivid vessel]

for ?

outlaw ?

its litteraly 5% tho

we knew that one

oh motw

i cnat read

[vivid vessel]

ye true maybe thats the play

brew

so you can actually get monk + sham

but then you are full mlee

but you can also drop feral for a hunter if anything

[sacred rune]

i don't know actually, i think druid tank is good also because of it if you don't run a owl in your combo

[abstract frost]

Having all melee is not as tragic this season as previous

[vivid vessel]

full melee is a bit weird sometimes but healer is range here so its ok

my worry was mw healer

[short plover]

!logs

[vivid vessel]

and then you have enhance

and then its full melee

actually full melee

and that one is prolly troll

[abstract frost]

Yah rsham can bait some mechanics for us

[vivid vessel]

like war/rogue/mw/enhacne/druid tnak

ye

[abstract frost]

Like ML third boss

[vivid vessel]

wish i had that comp actually

[abstract frost]

When we pull into boss

[vivid vessel]

makes me jealous

not enough people playing off meta

[magic shuttle]

trying to find druid or warr tanks in lfg is a hassle

[vivid vessel]

its impossible

[abstract frost]

Warr or Druid? Try brew

[magic shuttle]

or brewmasters even

[abstract frost]

XD

[vivid vessel]

brewmaster i played some keys with monksea

maybe i will be able to do more with him

he lieks playing off meta comps

[abstract frost]

Our hardest dungeon is probably priory because of 10000 casts going off and 0 grips/aoe silences

But we make it work

[vivid vessel]

ye

i played so many priory without druid/dh tho

its not as hard as expected

like you have many routes possible

taht dont just troll pull 20 casters

[abstract frost]

Yah we split caster packs per 3 silences

At max

We can handle that

But 5 or 6?

We insta reset

[vivid vessel]

i had a healer link this

for first pack

we had no dh tank

[abstract frost]

Nah we don’t do that first pull

[vivid vessel]

no beam

no one does

its 6 casters i think

psychiopath pull

[abstract frost]

We do mini with top pack first (1 caster maybe 1 knight)

Then chain bottom to sheymail

Then chain middle into sheynail

Once other one is dead

[leaden folio]

yo zac seen that one ? https://youtu.be/Mu1XvO-nKP0?feature=shared&t=536

petbattle skip

[abstract frost]

ive seen it. absolutely useless

but i know the mage so pretty cool 🤣

[vapid sundial]

i mean

it saves a few seconds

if you do it right

so not /useless/

[abstract frost]

what about the 5th person

[vapid sundial]

It could be useful wayyyy later on when keys are barely timed

you can do the chain things probably

the spirit hall w/e its called

with 4

[abstract frost]

i think you go xav first in barely timed keys

[vapid sundial]

no idea

[abstract frost]

yah for lust timers you go xav first

[craggy barn]

man theres 0 keys rn

curses NA

[gaunt phoenix]

Ded game

[craggy barn]

its over solo

stuck at 3270

last 2 15s i need

[vivid vessel]

ye i saw

[leaden folio]

ez for keeping adr rush

[glass mortar]

Tfw ur pugging a top and this cringe outlaw rogue keeps trying to pet battle you as the first boss dies

[runic bough]

Even 13's are little on na

I'm looking for 13 and not many

[craggy barn]

yo, the key u get from ur vault is based on the highest key completion u did that week right

so if i dont do any keys for 2 weeks, will i still get a 15?

[runic bough]

Ye

[simple lichen]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[hasty warren]

come EU man

[craggy barn]

nah

[runic bough]

Triple outlaw tomorrow zomb?

[craggy barn]

no

im busy doing other shit

[runic bough]

When

[craggy barn]

not for like 2 weeks

lol

vacation

[runic bough]

Wow Is my vacation

[craggy barn]

0 raid buffs for me sadge

[vivid vessel]

@daring oxide we do strat without aoe adds on bandit now

its ove

r

[random stirrup]

hopefully they exclude soon

[sharp hinge]

is there a dps difference between an offhand dagger vs a sword?

[random stirrup]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[random stirrup]

doesnt matter much this tier though since nightfall cudgel/capo/gallywix weapon are all slow and better than the 0.2% dagger difference in their respective niches

[sharp hinge]

ahh that makes sense, ty ❤️ im just now gearing up since rogue will be my new main going forward

[runic bough]

What made you decide rogue?

[latent oak]

rogue fun

[sharp hinge]

Rogue is fun, I like the look and feel of it. I usually always have a geared rogue. Since my guild fell apart I’m able to play what I actually want to play

[red zinc]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

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[gentle sky]

hope thay add target dummys to the houseing

[azure vortex]

What are my top 5 mistakes https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HFJKaNCM4mWTpQwR?fight=last

[runic bough]

Zac has some outlaw competition

https://youtu.be/WagocQOUEWk?si=v4Bp26U6EVLI-SoQ

Wox went sin

So zeross vs wox vs shindig

Zac vs shadesofgrey

[tender wedge]

What’s with this vs business man, we gotta stick together

[vivid vessel]

ryuk vs his ambush keybind

[magic shuttle]

I like this guys setup to show buffs

Is that the in game tracker they recently added?

[desert tendon]

Zac q bad outlaw

[vivid vessel]

thats the old one

[desert tendon]

I cheer for shades

[vivid vessel]

but thats prolly the plater version

[white marten]

Zac is an outlaw legend

Can never be replaced

[white marten]

Rogue always has a spec that cranks in m+ and raid.

[magic shuttle]

Hmm I wonder if at some point the new tracker will be usable

Still doesn't track opp proc stacks properly I think

[craggy barn]

1 more 15 to go

[runic bough]

I love how shades vocalizes his hate for trollingspree as well

I like this guy

[craggy barn]

i either have to thank wox for showing OL on mdi or thank god for ilvl boost to get into these 15s

[magic shuttle]

Ilvl boost helps

[craggy barn]

i did randomly get a few phys comps so thank god for that i guess

[magic shuttle]

That's the dream

[random stirrup]

I need some phys comp enjoyers

[craggy barn]

lol

[magic shuttle]

It's nice when sometimes a lone druid or shaman in lfg invites you to a key and builds a physic comp

[frail veldt]

yeah I had that last night it was great

6.5mil overall in floodgate

[random stirrup]

my friend group has everything but a druid player

[frail veldt]

bubbles skip

10/10

[random stirrup]

our tank guy despises bear druid and no one wants to play feral

[craggy barn]

its funny when u just get into a pug group that doesnt really mesh at all with raid buffs

[magic shuttle]

Resto druid is pretty good

[craggy barn]

or lack there of

lol

[random stirrup]

ye but our main healer is a MW one trick

[magic shuttle]

Fair enough

[random stirrup]

tough life

[magic shuttle]

It's cool that you can flex roles with shaman, monk, druid, warr

[frail veldt]

its crazy how much more damage you can do with raid buffs

[magic shuttle]

Yeah it's noticeable

[craggy barn]

15%!

[magic shuttle]

But the most common healer tank pairing I see in lfg is demon hunter priest

[craggy barn]

the two meta classes

[magic shuttle]

And then add in mage and boomie

[craggy barn]

and all healers and tanks play every healer tank so they fotm reroll every season

[magic shuttle]

Round off with a dk or maybe warlock

[craggy barn]

bro raider io not updating my io on site

i wanna flex my rank 1 server

[runic bough]

I think I need to lower spell que guys

[magic shuttle]

Ye a bit unfortunate that there's few off meta tanks, current meta is really diverse

[craggy barn]

why would u

[runic bough]

https://tenor.com/view/alert-siren-warning-light-gif-15160785

[craggy barn]

arent u on sin now

[runic bough]

My spell que is not as fast as shadesofgrey

[craggy barn]

lol

[runic bough]

I need to start playing with it

[craggy barn]

i used to play at 100

[runic bough]

What is default?

[craggy barn]

400

[runic bough]

Ok so making it lower is faster response?

[craggy barn]

no

it just lowers the leeway u have to queue ur next spel

[magic shuttle]

Baseline spell queue is quite fine

[runic bough]

Well this dude is blasting his bte procs like a machine gun and I'm over here waiting foe the spell que

[craggy barn]

for me, lower spell queue just makes the game feel more responsive

[patent igloo]

do we have any outlaw Gallywix mm pov? I'm doing so bad and want to check what i'm doing bad

[runic bough]

Outlaw probably dps gain with tight spell que

[gaunt phoenix]

Corruptions

Update <t:1747786320:R> Echoing Void was bugged but now it's apparently fixed.

Corruptions are releasing this reset as part of the Horrific Visions Revisited event, it is just a helm enchant. Farming a Greater corruption should be worth 2-3% dps. You can only get a Lesser corruption for now.

For Outlaw, looks like Echoing Void is the overall choice for raid and keys.

Attached are example sims for (single target, DungeonSlice, sustain 5 targets).

Note that tuning or SimC implementations could be subject to change

[craggy barn]

in terms that when im pressing a button its doing it then not whatever i queued

[craggy barn]

if im spamming it

but my queue rn is like 200

i think

[runic bough]

Ye

I'll check my spell que when I gets home

I never looked b4

[craggy barn]

u can pretty much have every enchant right solo?

[runic bough]

It got fucked in tww for sure

[craggy barn]

but takes time to farm em all ye?

and theyre reusable like df?

or nah

[gaunt phoenix]

idk

[inland walrus]

uhm, how come i have 100 maximum energy sometimes and 150 other times is this a bug? i havent changed talents

[gaunt phoenix]

adrenaline rush gives you 50 max energy

[inland walrus]

xd ty

[craggy barn]

damnit misread, im not rank1 on my server outlaw sadge

wheres the race/spec leader boards gdi

am i rank 1 udnead outlaw

[daring oxide]

eh how come?

[runic bough]

Yeah fr I want that

Often times im waiting for shit to spell que

Maybe that's my dps loss right there

https://tenor.com/view/omg-oh-my-god-crypto-eth-ethereum-gif-17535687605930952128

[craggy barn]

shrug back when my spw was faster than gcd, solo looked at a log and told me i missed 3 globals

[runic bough]

So if it's too fast u could be bad

[craggy barn]

yes bc u have to be hitting everything on time

[runic bough]

But we need it to be faster in order to truly machine gun bte procs

[craggy barn]

idk about that

lol

[civic void]

No because as the name implies you are queuing your bte

[west dirge]

!sheet

[ornate heath]

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[wicked obsidian]

but a longer queue (as long as < gcd, but anyway should be impossible), should not have any impact, because the spell always gets replaced with the last pressed. but it can feel unnatural. good value should be ping + 100 or ping + 150... you can test it until it feels natural. values below the ping are bad...

[vivid vessel]

well idk

you send diff things i think

and we end up not spawning adds

basicalyl

never

[civic void]

Bare minimum would be ping + how fast you are mashing your buttons which tends to be close to 150/200 yeah

[sharp hinge]

what should i buy with my first dinar purchase?

iron thumb?

[wicked obsidian]

you can check pins, Turbo boost stuff

[sharp hinge]

says capos

[runic bough]

Zac what do you have your spell que at?

Zomb uses 200

What are your guys have it at?

Curious

If default is 400, making it 200 as well should help tremendously

[vapid sundial]

if ur ping is below like 60 theres 0 reason to really change it from default

afaiok

[vivid vessel]

150

[runic bough]

Damn

I need to change mine asap

Maybe that's the delay that I feel

[craggy barn]

i moved mine up bc i felt like i was lagging in raid

any bit of lag can fuck u up

[copper radish]

feel like deja vu with corruptions coming back

[runic bough]

They didn't uncap outlaw for a true bfa experience

Hello police

They didn't uncap bf yet

Please arrest them

Straight to jail

[final sluice]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

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[patent igloo]

anyone has an outlaw pov Gallywix mm? I started progress and I'm playing it like shit, hard fight

[final sluice]

Is there a recraft sim which sims my items in different stats?

[glass mortar]

top gear

[vivid vessel]

join my stream and go back 30 min or so

[patent igloo]

perfect tyvm, I'll finish raid in 8 min and I'll take a look

[vivid vessel]

just before midnight st

is kill timer

just a random reclear tho

[patent igloo]

don't worry, I just want to see how to play the fight, I'm always around 2.7-2.9M, I'm doing shit

probably doing a lot of things so bad

[gentle glacier]

is there a weakaura for showing the value of the debuff from KS?

[wicked obsidian]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[wicked obsidian]

the last one

[gentle glacier]

thank you