outlaw

[hasty warren]

it's ok but U pref ARD before vanish for more gcd

[west dirge]

hero capo's off hand is stronger than crafter sword/dagger right?

[hollow temple]

For ST ye

[west dirge]

ty

[opal cosmos]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[tight kernel]

While in prog should always optimize for st raid and worry about m+ after gally right?

[frail veldt]

I mean

Are you wiping cuz of damage lol

[tight kernel]

Nah

[frail veldt]

That's kind of a philosophical question

[vivid vessel]

who was the guy that modified the killing spree weak aura to apply to frames

@rotund zodiac was it you

[frail veldt]

Oh like teammate raid frames???

That would be sick

[vivid vessel]

yes

[frail veldt]

Give it to everyone I play with lol

The KS duration or the KS damage taken inc one

[rotund zodiac]

nope

[vivid vessel]

hm

[fallen knot]

zac i'm doing 12s

[hasty warren]

Is this stats ok ? (unbuffed)

[cinder relic]

sure

[neat mist]

no

they're not ok

'cause they're in french

👍🏿

[opal cosmos]

I guess 1.74 overall in a 9 ToP its not ok

[prisma sapphire]

KS rework in 11.1.7 hopefully

[gaunt phoenix]

what ilvl

[opal cosmos]

655

[proven ocean]

you ask about other's ilvls and never mine

[gaunt phoenix]

ya you're like 690

[proven ocean]

i mean

theres no 690 ilvl but thats funny as hell

can we all talk about how zac's title is 2-3 keys then sleep and he's been streaming for 2 hours

[opal cosmos]

I logged it after 1st boss but idk if thats good or not

[gaunt phoenix]

not great, what was your AR uptime?

theatre you have to be a bit mindful of how to retain AR between the downtime

On the mini platforms you can stealth just before combat if you are fast

[opal cosmos]

hhmm

ill try another one

loggin in from the start

i uploaded the log but still nothing on outlaw on warcraft logs

[keen belfry]

Morning guys

I was up too late last night my bad

[opal cosmos]

Should i try the KIR Build?

[vivid vessel]

old title

also i have done 3 keys

so its not actually a lie

[gaunt phoenix]

No you dont have the haste for it

[vivid vessel]

yet

[gaunt phoenix]

& kir is harder for not much gain

[opal cosmos]

ok

[keen belfry]

Didn’t wish I slept in this much

[hasty warren]

y I pref game in frencg sry

[mighty pivot]

theatre is annoying because on the small platforms subterfuge will drop while transporting, so you always lose a few seconds even if you immediately restealth. And then there is xav

[frail veldt]

Is coup de grace still called the same in the French version?

Or is it called finishing blow lol

I always wonder if they reverse translate stuff

[hasty warren]

it's Coup de Grace

same for Main Gauche

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel is there some catchup gear now?

to buy

for alts

or

[vivid vessel]

ye a bit

[proven ocean]

where

[vivid vessel]

you can do the nightfall event

[proven ocean]

oh

[vivid vessel]

it drops 636 on world boss

[proven ocean]

ok ok

[vivid vessel]

sorry on boss

then you have a cache with another 636

and another one you can buy one per week

its decent to just login every hour

and get full champion gear i guess

[frail veldt]

@proven ocean how do you not have an entire bank full of war bound gear at this point

[vivid vessel]

and ye warbound items

i have so many

[proven ocean]

idk i deleted most of it

[vivid vessel]

warbound ?

[frail veldt]

Jfc

[vivid vessel]

nah thats cooked cuh

[frail veldt]

That's pretty dumb ngl

[trim vigil]

Does anyone have any idea what corruption we'll be playing? I haven't looked into it

[vivid vessel]

zeross pov

[vivid vessel]

the one that does most damage

[trim vigil]

I love dmg

[proven ocean]

the one that does most damage

[trim vigil]

the one that does most damage

[proven ocean]

every hour i kill raid boss?

world boss

[frail veldt]

Dungeon boss

[proven ocean]

dungeon boss? wdym

its a nightfall event or

[civic void]

For some reasons they used another term

[opal cosmos]

Wich WA do you guys prefer to use ?

[blissful idol]

i use zacs

and rest atrocity but i wanna get rid of elvui on 1400p

1440p*

[proven ocean]

guys me need +12 boost

for my dh

!

[leaden folio]

no

[fallen knot]

pay me 1 billion

or gally kill

either one

[fluid meadow]

watahell, dorkis team got dsq from tgp?

[proven ocean]

[red zinc]

They used shocking disclosure potion from last xpac

dont ask me why thats bannable but it is

[fallen knot]

well

they bought it from tourny realm

so

it's ok isnt it

[fluid meadow]

yeah but like everybody just applaud when echo used toy in dungeon, and when they surely bug missdir and other shits, and they just let them to win wtf

[fallen knot]

or insane snap in doti

like

legit bug abusing at that point

[red zinc]

They agreed to a set of rules that didnt permit the use so

Even if its bs its still their fault

[fallen knot]

where can i read rulebook

i'm bored

zac ignoring me

[round dragon]

Maybe someone can answer this for me, can you feint sandwich KS? If you feint before KS -> get hit -> Feint again, would you end up applying feint twice to the damage?

am wondering if it applies to both the direct hit and the dot, essentially doubling up the DR

[fathom bramble]

It does not

Only damage reductions you have for the true hit do anything

Other than cloak removing the ks dot

[opal cosmos]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[keen belfry]

you get that many?

[frail veldt]

I don't but I also do like 20 times less keys than zeross

[placid oar]

Anyone know where I can find the weapon swap macro? I checked pins/wowhead, but im either blind or its not there

[stiff glade]

It's right there in the pins

#showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Capo's Molten Knuckles

[placid oar]

Fuck, I am blind wtf

[stiff glade]

Kinda yea

[main shadow]

Ya it’s on the pin for the cudgel you may have to click on the pin

[proven ocean]

the pin is in the cudget you may pin the click

ya

[opal cosmos]

!log

[jolly rune]

Hey I can’t find any answer on wowhead for this. Can I use a whetstone on my main hand and off hand, and bubbling wax? I know the guide says bubbling wax does not stack, that’s what is confusing me.

[gaunt phoenix]

it's either whetstone or bubbling wax, they are same type of 'weapon consumable'

but also back in season 1, bubbling wax didnt stack correctly if you put 2 of them on

not sure if this is still true

[cinder relic]

What's not explained exactly?

[jolly rune]

It was just confusing because I didn’t know if I could have both on one weapon at the same time, thought I may have been missing something. Thanks that makes sense now

[copper radish]

What we getting

[opal cosmos]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[vivid vessel]

https://www.twitch.tv/stovepov/clip/DepressedTolerantPeanutDxCat-P8LKu-XtBsxVnjQc

bro

can i get that much love as outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

what was that smoochy sound

[vivid vessel]

i wanna stay out

idk its a weak aura sound

no idea what he is using it for

how much dr is pain sup

and

[gaunt phoenix]

what does mage even do to live here

[vivid vessel]

dk thing

and

uh

ice cold

[stiff glade]

Darkness too

[vivid vessel]

ye but i dont think they rely on darkness

its just bonus

[stiff glade]

There's a lot of shit used on that one staying out

[cinder relic]

Ps is 40%

[vivid vessel]

only 40?

ok so thats just a feint

[cinder relic]

Unless there's talents that buff it

[vivid vessel]

what about ice cold tho

[stiff glade]

That's 70

[cinder relic]

Ice cold is 70

[vivid vessel]

ok

[stiff glade]

Mage broken

[vivid vessel]

bro wdym 70%

wtf

they have 2 of those

[regal saffron]

If you would take 100 dmg 70 would be reduced

It means that

[stiff glade]

60 on invis, but they use that for the jumps tho

[vivid vessel]

tyty

for explanation

[gaunt phoenix]

[regal saffron]

Ywc zaccy

[vivid vessel]

so 50%

ye there is no way

feint + sac isnt enough

[split ingot]

yo how troll is it to play outlaw on bandit? should i switch to sin or nah

[stiff glade]

Just cloak it bro

[leaden folio]

just farm 25% avoidance on live

[vivid vessel]

ah true

avoidance aswell

but well we have 10 more ilvl

[fathom bramble]

it's good as long as you play around coins and other mechanics perfectly

[fresh skiff]

Anyone know if subterfuge is bugged? I press vanish and sometimes it just doesn't give me subterfuge.

[gaunt phoenix]

That happens if you break vanish with a trinket

[hollow garnet]

I remember a while back KIR builds in dungeons were heavily punished by downtime. Is that still the case or is KIR "always" better, assuming you're comfortable enough to play it?

[fresh skiff]

I see. Thanks for the info👍

[runic bough]

we are halfway to 12 resil boys

im finally catching up the last 2 days

now that i think of it must be nice to have teams and be all the way to 19's

[light kernel]

we can send bike trinket whenever during crackshot doesnt matter?

[red zinc]

why is twitch dyin

cant watch zinc stream

[silver timber]

what build would you guys rec i learn if im just now trying to get into outlaw

i played HO in DF season 1 i think. Would be mainly M+ and i might try to get some raid parses down the road

[astral wind]

Guys I think this

3rd day playing outlaw, into mythic gally prog, may have been a mistake

[runic bough]

depends if fate or trickster.

KiR is the only fate.

Ho or KiR trickster depends on your playstyle. Ambush vs Deft+kir awareness

[candid iron]

In the opener, I open from subterfuge, while in subterfuge I'm going through AR and stuff, then I don't KS until subterfuge is over?
While in subterfuge I maintain what was common in Dragonflight? Just go through with as many BtE as possible?

[silver timber]

i guess whats best M+ build? KIR Trickster?

[astral wind]

Okay guys I'm too pussy for this shit my damage was so low it's assa time on gally zzz

Glad I recrafted all my shit xdddddd

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah you dont KS during stealth windows

during stealth the only finisher you use is Bte

[gaunt phoenix]

HO and KIR are preference/depends on gear a bit

just play HO cause its easy

[silver timber]

im tryna high roll

what makes KIR hard? needing tank to chain pull and knowing buffs?

[gaunt phoenix]

just more rules to track and more punishing if you dont do them

!kir

[ornate heath]

KIR build compared to HO:

• doesn't use ambush, uses the same builder priority inside and outside of stealth
• is more cp efficient with pistol shot usage (see faq)
• use the new Supercharger talent which impact rtb rules (see faq)
• has to use KIR itself as soon as you hit 4 buffs from RTB/CTO
• has an additional reroll logic after pressing KIR (see faq)
• is more punishing if you mess up builder priority at a given moment
• require more haste (!haste) due to not taking tak'em talent

[gaunt phoenix]

oh yea and it has a hard haste requirement while HO is flexible with haste

[hidden bay]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[silver timber]

fatebound or trickster HO?

[gaunt phoenix]

fatebound is terrible in keys and will never be used

Always trickster in aoe

[desert tendon]

yea he s a liar fr fr

[silver timber]

im surprised outlaw isnt doing better in raids considering the ease of cleave with blade flurry

is sin just tuned higher?

[runic bough]

oh

fatebound is fun its just nerfed to hell

also

fatebound lucky coin never procs

[honest sparrow]

Sin has the same easy cleave with spatter doesnt has the problem with down time doesnt need to play killingspree etc

[silver timber]

outlaw fundge tho

[runic bough]

IF you want to practice outlaw fatebound is the way. Then trickster adds trolling spree and coup to your rotation. You will have to accept that trollingspree is going to get you killed.

Trickster is the new outlaw yes

everyone knows about killingspree now

and outlaw rogues genocide

its a worldwide phenomenon now

outlaw rogues dying everyday

its a genocide really

[silver timber]

was playing sub early season did a 10 and never opened

[fickle relic]

how good is the remnant of darkness trinket?

[silver timber]

got a myth mace so meant to be

[runic bough]

all trinkets suck this season so just pick the one that you feel benefits most. I tested this one and it only procs dmg like twice during an entire key.

I mean

the agility buff on that trinket is a lie

[hybrid crown]

i think you like remnant for big aoe, like the agi right

[runic bough]

but the agility on it is not reliable too much nerf

they way they tuned trinkets in TWW makes them useless

"lets give trinkets a .00000001% proc chance for TWW"

[hybrid crown]

I feel like wox is just trolling the leaderboards using it, but also its just that all the trinkets are equally kinda bad

like looking at dps parses for keys they are the only one using it

[vivid vessel]

wox is always trolling

[hybrid crown]

but its often top for that dungeon

[remote pike]

I'm 3300+ rio now. And I have gone through multiple of my logs. 97% of all my deaths are killing spree mess ups. hate it

[vivid vessel]

he was playing ho

!

[hybrid crown]

lol

[reef forge]

are you just not able to killing spree and p3 bandit?

[copper radish]

at one point in the past, werent we able to upgrade one ring/trink and put it in the 2nd slot for it to unlock the free upgrade?

[runic bough]

yes

[proven ocean]

He has more rio than you tho

So

Pls only speak if more rio ty

[candid iron]

Outlaw seems fun to play in st

[astral wind]

Okay I caved went assa for 2 pulls and remember how horrible energy starving is so its back to pirate spec baybeeeeeeeeee

Gally P1 is kinda spooky with KS tho

[hidden bay]

playing sin>ks in raid

[cinder relic]

Sin is fun

[vivid vessel]

my bad cuh

@proven ocean he doesnt actually

so i can yap

[proven ocean]

Ok ok my bad cuh

[vivid vessel]

@fallen knot

you there ?

[proven ocean]

Yes hi

Whats up zac

Need something?

Thats me

[vivid vessel]

no

[craggy barn]

bro

[hidden bay]

a lot of reasons i hate it for example tanks not positioning for caustic

0 you can do about

but affects your dmg so much

[silver timber]

think its messed up nobody told me how fun outlaw was

[cinder relic]

When is this an issue?

[hidden bay]

raid

[cinder relic]

Which boss

[hidden bay]

rik oab gally

i dont think you have that issue tho

its more of a lower guild thing

[fallen knot]

yes

[vivid vessel]

wanna do keys ..

[fallen knot]

yes

[vivid vessel]

i have nothing to do rn ..

[fallen knot]

i need

[craggy barn]

lol

[vivid vessel]

lfg is dead ..

[fallen knot]

around 270gilded

[craggy barn]

zac just play league again

[vivid vessel]

do you have a char with resi 12 that still need stov?

[fallen knot]

legit my main

shaman

[vivid vessel]

alright

[hybrid crown]

I learned you can evasion the bone storm in TOP. are there any other things evasion works on that might be helpful to know about in m+?

[vivid vessel]

you letting me tank ?

not a cinderbrew

[fallen knot]

i have floodgate

[vivid vessel]

HM

[craggy barn]

u can evasion throw cinder brew on first boss

[vivid vessel]

thats also very hard

[fallen knot]

kek

[vivid vessel]

! !

[craggy barn]

completely dodge the dot

[vivid vessel]

you aint having the easiest dungeon cuh

i guess i will just dps

dpsing is so boring in low keys

ng l

[fallen knot]

come blast on rogue

then

[vivid vessel]

mind numbing

my rogue doesnt need anything bro

[fallen knot]

legit +5

my key

[vivid vessel]

he has been full gearing

for like

[craggy barn]

hm, can u evasino bubble dot thing

[vivid vessel]

5 weeks

[craggy barn]

i forget

[vivid vessel]

uh no

[craggy barn]

kk

[silver timber]

do i send bte on cdf

[craggy barn]

double checking bc "similar" to throw cinderbrew

in that something is being chucked at u kinda

[vivid vessel]

true

but not really

Lol

[craggy barn]

ye

[cinder relic]

The lutendants whirlwind u can also evasion

[craggy barn]

olh right, those can u z-axis that?

[hybrid crown]

oooh

[craggy barn]

no right

[vivid vessel]

you can evasion

the aoes from these mobs

[craggy barn]

ye guy just said that

[vivid vessel]

ah

first boss ws bombs

im thinking

let me think

[craggy barn]

but can u zaxis them on the stairs? i couldnt tell when i was tanking em

[vivid vessel]

no

can evasion the bolt cast in flood

and the guys that swirl

bro honestly

you cant evasion shit this season

ML last boss frontal

[craggy barn]

just evasion everything and stop when u notice its not working

pepw

[white marten]

Currently is KIR outperforming HO?

[vivid vessel]

dfc 1st boss charge

ye i think thats it legit

[craggy barn]

kir has an advantage in larger aoe pulls

[vivid vessel]

oh ye the charges in brew aswell

from the guys that hit walls

[craggy barn]

ye the hobgoblins

oh right, do immunities still scuff candle king?

[light kernel]

are there lots of shiv targets this season?

[craggy barn]

like 2? i think

the mob people pull into first boss TOP

and the moleherds in dfc

but those shouldnt need it

since u just kick

[gaunt phoenix]

In big pulls

But it evens out

Idk i dont think kir is worth the hassle

And that's saying something from me

Haste thing is giga cringe anyway

[frail veldt]

yeah kir is so fractionally better

and thats assuming you can actually get all your globals in

so in reality its probably even closer

it falls within margin of error

[gaunt phoenix]

HO without GS is incredibly comfortable

Infinite energy to feint

Infinite dmg

[frail veldt]

honestly it plays so well

[gaunt phoenix]

and still some fun trickster minmaxes

[frail veldt]

gs is absolute aids to our energy flow

yeah HO no GS feels great

rtb rules are pretty simple to grasp

[white marten]

Whats GS again?

[frail veldt]

only downside it has is sooometimes you can get chain bad rolls

ghostly strike

[white marten]

Ahh

[runic bough]

do non of your guild do m+?

your in a top guild

even if just a few join

we pug the rest

sometimes we have full guild keys

Im also teaching keys to other guild members

so that more climb with me

as i learn, so do they

its coo

also my dmg is normal now

so i can carry easier

but i get it that at 20 keys u all need to be pro

which makes being in a top guild should be easier to find more pro players

[sullen walrus]

can someone say me about rotation ? 😦

[runic bough]

if it wasnt for trolling spree we would be able to carry way better

[sullen walrus]

new outlaw player

[fluid meadow]

isn't this illegal to get targeted by 2 lightspawn at the same time?wasn't there a hotfix before to not happen ?

[runic bough]

that priory?

[fluid meadow]

yeah

[runic bough]

them casters dont give a fuck

[fathom bramble]

it's possible that something else made the other target ineligible or the lightspawns picking their targets within a second of eachother broke the unique target preference

[runic bough]

can u be more specific?

[fathom bramble]

the 2 second wind up before the damage actually starts might not be being checked for the unique target preference

so they both started casting on you before either started actually doing damage

maybe

[runic bough]

also did u know vanish resets casts

they pick a new target if we vanish

[red zinc]

..

i cant anymore

[vivid vessel]

ty ryu for tip

[fluid meadow]

i will hold vanish for this thing where maybe i get double( and i press before it starts ticking to target others maybe they can get double too) just thought there was a hotfix or smthing went wrong again

[haughty wigeon]

[runic bough]

whys this so funny

[reef forge]

outlaw is broken on stix lol

[proven ocean]

Smelly — 12:32 AM
outlaw is broken on stix lol

[reef forge]

indeed

[runic bough]

the key is to roll into boss immediately and hook back onto him

reduce downtime

[reef forge]

i meant strong

maybe broken was the wrong word

[runic bough]

run towards the side of boss that has adds

its fun to beat everyone

our only fight we can do that

and not worry about trollingspree kill us

[cinder relic]

Rogue is very good at sustained cleave

[quasi notch]

What do you guys think would be the best upgrade?

For Dinars

[frank finch]

u can sim that

[vernal pendant]

How do you get rid of the timer in the back ground? I've tried boiling water and pooring it on my pc but it doesn't work.

[modest scarab]

Random question but is it a big dps loss to only use 1 FTH instead of two and take Deft Manuevers for the HO buiild?

[cinder haven]

Any good tricks to keep kezan stacks in flood?

[vivid vessel]

well the route where you go left boss first

is weird

cause then you drop it after first boss

otherwise its kinda fine to keep up the whole dungeon

you just drop it after kelp boss

for kelp boss rp you can take a lil bomb

[cinder haven]

Crab?

[vivid vessel]

ye

the one that explode

[cinder haven]

Ye I was gonna

[vivid vessel]

imagine if you could send guildeds bro

..

[glass grove]

Tf is a “guilded”

[proven ocean]

only 256?

LOLOLOO

[vivid vessel]

its a guildmate

that is in your guild

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

[prime cloud]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[proven ocean]

should i make passionfruit or red wine or mango flavored coffee

?

@vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel

[leaden folio]

ok mugzee down

i have capo mythic

i can push now

its push week

[vivid vessel]

ye fr

[ashen vortex]

hey, during vanish, I should spam BTE ? or I build CP and then use BTE ?

[late swallow]

Passionfruit

[vapid blaze]

this true for outlaw aswell?

[high sluice]

hero zee thug's hotline and mythic cart whistle are simming approximately the same, which one do you think is better, just take cart whistle for ilvl?

[runic bough]

spam 1 cp bte will do nothing

5+ cp bte only

even at 7cp bte is weak

so

we spam it at 5+ cp over and over to make it 1 regular skill of another class

welcome to the high apm spec

[ashen vortex]

I get it thanks you 🙂

and when I'm not under stealth, BTE is better than dispatch ?

[vapid blaze]

like just casually increasing entire raid damage by 5% xD

[vernal bone]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[frank finch]

what happened to zac wont push while ks is in its current state

did ross clowning his rio finally get to him

[high sluice]

does dungeon start reset RTB?

[desert tendon]

zac just a liar

[frank finch]

i c

[modest scarab]

Random question but is it a big dps loss to only use 1 FTH instead of two and take Deft Manuevers for the HO buiild?

[brave adder]

Hey im New Rouge anyone tips for Beginner maybe ? I play HO build

[vivid vessel]

buffs goes away

rtb cd doesnt get reset

[vivid vessel]

ye

[vivid vessel]

i mean

im addicted

what do you want me to do

i cannot

[frank finch]

[vapid blaze]

so outlaw/sub are like turbo op or what
wouldnt it be still a dps gain for raid to play trickster without ks xD

[vivid vessel]

nah

io checked logs

[desert tendon]

bad addiction zac

[vivid vessel]

parry isnt realy that much of a dps loss

[desert tendon]

you could be addicted to weatlh

[vivid vessel]

i think maybe you are thinking of melees missing

[desert tendon]

but instead you addicted to io

gg

[vivid vessel]

but thats different

[vapid blaze]

but the 5% damage increase?

or does it just prevent parry

[vivid vessel]

hwat 5% damage increase

ah no

its just parry

or i mean

i hope its just parry

maybe we are giving a 5% buff

i dont think we are

lol

[sullen wyvern]

guys why are we showing top A tier on a couple tier lists

[vapid blaze]

idk kinda wanna test it

[sullen wyvern]

we getting nerfed

[fathom bramble]

it's a whitelisted damage taken increase right

[vapid blaze]

dunno how to properly do that

[vivid vessel]

most things works like that

[fathom bramble]

maybe it increases other rogue damage, but I've only ever heard of the parry

[vivid vessel]

ye same

[fathom bramble]

it's almost certainly not increasing like any warrior spell damage for example

and wowhead isn't loading for me at all for some reason

just wanted to glance at the spelldata

[brave adder]

Hey Guys i anyone can help me for Beginner Tips ? i new Outlaw Rouge i apreciate if tips 😄

[fathom bramble]

pretty sure Fazed is like caster damage dealt modifier or something

[vivid vessel]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/dragonflight/SpellDataDump/rogue.txt

[fathom bramble]

same thing as GS always was

[vivid vessel]

can ctrl f in there

[fathom bramble]

the bug with it is that instead of making the casters spells not parry it just applies a -5% parry chance the mob

while the actual damage dealt thing is Damage taken% from casters spells

which shouldn't be bugging

and if it is then a lot of other spells that use the same mechanic should be bugged in the same way which sounds super noticeable but idk

the fact that it also only reduces parry chance by 5% means that warriors can still parry you in pvp too...

which is something that is very annoying to me

[frail veldt]

LOL

that is an embarassingly hacky way to do this

[fathom bramble]

it's also just not what fazed says at all

since it doesn't correctly reduce it by enough against things in pvp that can have 100% parry chance

[frail veldt]

would make sense why it doesnt work in pvp too lol

or maybe it "does" work in pvp

and you can hit through warrior retal

but only with a 5% chance

[fathom bramble]

maybe it does

apparently unlike evasion die by the sword actually gives 100% parry

I assumed it was the same as evasion where it is secretly 200%

[ivory moth]

Hey friends, what embels should i be running in keys and raid? sorry couldnt see it in a pin

[frail veldt]

wdym unlike evasion

oh wtf

[fathom bramble]

evasion is 200% dodge chance

[frail veldt]

I had no idea

but...

why

[fathom bramble]

probably so that hit rating didn't let you still hit rogues that pressed it

[frail veldt]

jfc

[fathom bramble]

something left over from actually 15 years ago idk

[frail veldt]

also why does DH blur let you dodge from behind?

that one always confused me

[fathom bramble]

idk I never heard of that

[frail veldt]

yeah its very annoying in pvp

[proven ocean]

these wow casters are so clueless

they're like

omgomg 12 mins for only 2 packs to boss

LOOKS SO FREE

THEY WILL TIME WITH ALOT OF TIME LEFT

XDXDXDXD

brother

that looks depleted

[red zinc]

wat

[proven ocean]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

timed with 0 seconds left

and these casters

are like

naaah timer is free they time with few mins left

xdxdxdxdxdxdxdxdx

[red zinc]

are the two packs you're talking about the double tank and pack before the skip?

[proven ocean]

ye

they're like omg the timer looks free they will EASILY time it

im like bro

[red zinc]

i mean surely something happened then I feel like 12 minutes for that kinda long

[proven ocean]

they aren't gonna time that shit with some time left

[proven ocean]

?

u know that last boss lasts longer than a mammoth with viagra

like

[red zinc]

no way that boss takes longer than 6m30

[proven ocean]

they only had 1 death between that

not rly 2 tanks last a long time

and

[runic bough]

2 more to go boys

[proven ocean]

last boss does last alot of time too

[red zinc]

it cant be worse than yalnu or whatever that big fuck in everbloom was called

idk who designed that hp bar but holy

[frank finch]

i will not tolerate any everbloom slander

[frozen pasture]

Hi guys, i usually see pacemaker using as outlaw but sims say conductor's is better in st/DS, shall i take conductors instead of pacemaker? (myth ilvl talking btw)

[frank finch]

goated dun

[red zinc]

everbloom was a horrendous dungeon in high keys

rng simulator on 3rd boss

and 7 minute bossfight on last boss

[tender wedge]

Up to you my bro, personally I took pacemaker because I play other specs but yes the whistle does sim pretty well

[tulip condor]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[frozen pasture]

I dont plan to go assa or sub but... who knows. I always wanted to try whistle btw

[runic bough]

@gaunt phoenix suggestion for new command. !macro

For things like the ambush macro and weapon switch macro

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[runic bough]

so the macro command would actually have macro's in it

the current can be changed to !gs or added to the same command.

[red zinc]

Suggestion for new command. !ryu

For things like muting ryu for an hour whenever it gets to be too much, or a day, or a year

[runic bough]

timmy big ryu hater

[proven ocean]

[daring oxide]

lmao classic

i appreciate ryu tbh

[proven ocean]

i appreciate ryu tbh

[daring oxide]

he makes outlaw looks undertuned

its a good balance

just kidding

he a yapper like the rest of us

but also a betrayer

went sin

[proven ocean]

chads play sin

[daring oxide]

didn't fight through the killing spree pains

u also a betrayer ross

but i forgive u

[hollow temple]

weak

[runic bough]

@cinder relic @gaunt phoenix
Known macros for outlaw specifically, suggestion for !macro command:

Hook on cursor/mouseover
#showtooltip
/cast [@cursor] grappling hook

Tricks on focus (if tank is focus)
#showtooltip
/cast [@focus] Tricks of the Trade

Capo+Cudgel weapon swap
#showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Capo's Molten Knuckles

HO/KIR ambush (put on stealth bar)
#showtooltip
/cleartarget [dead]
/targetenemy [noharm]
/cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, bonusbar:1] Ambush ; Sinister Strike

The following macro allows you to cast on target and mouseover/cursor:

Killingspree
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead][] Killing Spree

Blind
#showtooltip
/cast [target=mouseover,exists,harm,nodead][] Blind

Pistol Shot
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead][] Pistol Shot

Between the Eyes
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead][] Between the Eyes

[patent mirage]

We are now performing a ritual

When ks has claimed enough souls

[daring oxide]

poor solo and guy

[fluid meadow]

i want loading screen with ryus tips

[patent mirage]

It will be changed

[proven ocean]

?????????????????????????????????????? mouseover killing spree

thats the most cooked shit i've ever seen in my life

[daring oxide]

actually

its not a bad idea

[runic bough]

well

[daring oxide]

cos you can aoe spread fazed

[runic bough]

i forgot to put BTE

[daring oxide]

via mouseover KS

KS is a good source of Fazed

and lets you swap targets safely

so you dont ruin coup

[patent mirage]

Safely

[proven ocean]

💀 doesn't it always spread it anyway

[daring oxide]

you need to coup fazed

[daring oxide]

if the adds are too far from main target

it might not spread

so on gallywix mythic for example

its good to use mouseover KS

on the adds that spawn near middle

etc

or gallywix technician

if you KS gallywix

u go behind the boss

and wont hit any adds

i use MO KS

[proven ocean]

sounds cooked

[daring oxide]

helps swap targets for fazed > Coup

nah you'll see what i mean

if u play

Outlaw trickster

if you coup anything without fazed

you lose dps

[proven ocean]

sorry but

i'll never see what u mean

[daring oxide]

no flawless form stacks

[proven ocean]

if u know what i mean

[daring oxide]

yeah

i know

sin boy

[proven ocean]

[runic bough]

i got the idea to make mouseover and ps and bte from mitch

he will stay on boss and mouseover those abilities on OAB for example

to hit the adds far away

[proven ocean]

ye we did that in DF

[daring oxide]

all of us use mouseover ps and bte

[proven ocean]

on council fight

[daring oxide]

its not a new thing

[runic bough]

i know

but i never did it

[daring oxide]

mo KS is a good thing too

in niche circumstances

[runic bough]

and more people would be aware of it if it was more talked about

[daring oxide]

especially on targets with enormous hit box

with add cleave

aka gally

[runic bough]

tru

[cinder relic]

This is not going to be a command bro

[runic bough]

its so helpful why not

[cinder relic]

Do you see how much of the chat it takes up?

[runic bough]

well yeah

[cinder relic]

It's literally the entire screen on mobile

[runic bough]

ok well add to Outlaw Misc then

in the faq

and we can direct there

[cinder relic]

What's the point of a mouse over ks macro?

[runic bough]

if a target is near more adds i guess

I havnt used it much myself but its an option

10 yard radius

also if a target is not selected it will mouseover your mouse still which is nice

say running back to boss from a mechanic

boom ks mouseover

i donno just there to play with

[raven condor]

ks on mouseover, self explanatory.

[vivid vessel]

TRICKS ON FOCUS

DELETE THIS

FROM YOUR BARS

YOU NOOB

[runic bough]

i know theres an addon

but i dont use it

u can add the tricks addon if you want

[raven condor]

There's also mouseover casting for it - mb4 and never miss a tricks

[runic bough]

oh the mouseover tricks sounds nice

[vivid vessel]

wtf is ks on mouseopver

[cinder relic]

There's like 3 macros that matter. Grapple at cursor, mouse over for any spells u want, and then the weapon swap

[raven condor]

Next gen tech

[runic bough]

ok well im sure im not the only one who missed the ambush macro this is mainly to bring awareness to that

[raven condor]

At MOST it's surely just to ks a high health target when main target is low health but

That feels degen

[runic bough]

yes also for that

[raven condor]

and low use case basis

[cinder relic]

I genuinely don't understand the ambush macro

[vivid vessel]

its for when you swap builds guy

[cinder relic]

You can config your talents to have different key binds tho

[vivid vessel]

• you dont neccesseraly have ambush/ss on your main bar wioth stance

[vivid vessel]

ye well thats mega trash

why would you ever do that

so you have to keybind everything again everytime you create a new talent page

and you have binds that arent shared

[raven condor]

Aren't bars individual between talents??

[vivid vessel]

and you forget

[hollow temple]

you can share them for all builds

[shut lichen]

^

[olive plank]

theres a tickbox you can check to share bars

can get scuffed sometimes tho

[raven condor]

fair ig but why would you

[olive plank]

laziness

[shut lichen]

so i dont have to rebind them?

[raven condor]

especially if it's just hero tree changes

[hollow temple]

because its the correct way to utilize it?

[vivid vessel]

not sharing binds for every talent page

is cooked

[hollow temple]

it should be on by default

[vivid vessel]

you guys are cooked

if you are

using the thing

[hybrid crown]

they kinda end up that way on their own whether you do that or not

[vivid vessel]

taht have individual

binds

per page

absolute mega cooked

turbo cooked

[hollow temple]

i'm tired of having to turn it on for every new build i make !!!!!

[hybrid crown]

unless you are a crazy person and like have kick as a different button between specs

[hollow temple]

zac !

[vivid vessel]

well trikz

i have a super cool thing for you

[hollow temple]

[vivid vessel]

here

forget blizzard ui ever exist

[hollow temple]

oh dear god

[vivid vessel]

and just use the better ui

[hollow temple]

more ADDONS ?

[shut lichen]

used that once

[vivid vessel]

i mean this one is mandatory imo lol

[shut lichen]

never again tbh

[hollow temple]

ADDONS in my pve minigame ??

[vivid vessel]

why not lol

you know the biggest thing with this addon trickz

is that you click on a page

it shows a preview of the talent page

then you double click if you wanna activate it

[shut lichen]

more that i just kept forgetting to actually use it and just defaulted

[hollow temple]

yeah i have the addon

its just been off since i installed it

[shut lichen]

so just said fuck it and uninstalled it

[hollow temple]

because i use another one and didn't think i needed it

guess i do

[vivid vessel]

this one is miles better

of any other addon

[hollow temple]

it has a setting for shared bars always?

[vivid vessel]

oh wtf i can deactivate pvp talents i never seen this

[vivid vessel]

well it doesnt use the blizzard thing

[runic bough]

Thats the talent system of the future

[shut lichen]

tbh just give me an addon that allows me to skip the fucking 4 sec cast to change talents

[hollow temple]

oh..

[vivid vessel]

so you arent really on a loadout

[stuck sparrow]

you would think if people make multiple addons for this shit

[vivid vessel]

so you can also have infinite talent page

[stuck sparrow]

blizx would realize

their default ui blows

[vivid vessel]

ye the blizzard thing is dogshit its crazy

lol

[craggy barn]

they know their ui is bad

[runic bough]

when your job is just collecting money its not about improvements.

[craggy barn]

thats why theyre slowly updating shit lol

[shut lichen]

i don't actually hate the base UI of it

[cinder relic]

It literally copies over everything initially. It's just if you make changes to one talent profile it'll stay swapped to that one specifically

[vivid vessel]

ye and then you change a bind on a page

you forget about it

you go on another page

[craggy barn]

if blizz didnt realize their own ui sucks, they wouldnt have updated the base ui, NOR would they work on cooldown manager

[vivid vessel]

and you have diff binds

and you end up with diff binds on every page

[craggy barn]

edit mode wouldnt have existed

[vivid vessel]

and its cooked

I mean ok zomb but

the talent thing

is new

how did they create this new thing

[cinder relic]

Are you just ignoring all the improvements to the base ui for fun or

[vivid vessel]

and implemented the worse possible ui ever

[cinder relic]

What's the motivating factor here

Ignorance? Or

[hollow temple]

they should really perfect what exists instead of adding new (dogshit) stuff imo

[runic bough]

ok ok the edit mode was nice

[cinder relic]

But u said their motivation is just money and not improving things?

That seems like a contradiction

[runic bough]

how many years did it take to do such a simple modification?

[cinder relic]

Because for years they were more focused on seasonal systems rather than the base of the game

Their design philosophy has shifted

[runic bough]

its not a priority for them to improve things

[cinder relic]

What is edit mode

[shut lichen]

game pre-DF and DF onwards are like different studios tbh

pre-9.1.5 to be even more exact

[vivid vessel]

this is how much this shit does btw apparently

[stiff glade]

That's a big ass number

[raven condor]

Merely a flesh wound

[runic bough]

guys im fully upgraded nothing else to spend on

[craggy barn]

now u can play the game

and by play the game

[runic bough]

ye ye

[craggy barn]

i mean quit

[raven condor]

Imagine not needing to juggle vanish and adr on that fucking fight by grouping with a disc/dk/mage/Monk that want to bed you

[runic bough]

oh shit

[craggy barn]

u finished ryu!

u can finally touch grass

[runic bough]

that turned around fast

i just did Kentucky fried flame chicken and held ks on the candle king

[vivid vessel]

im looking at if its possible to survive as outlaw

and it clearly aint

but mage is chilling

i think he could technically do it on every one

[latent oak]

he natty dodged 2 ticks with the darkness no?

[vivid vessel]

cause pain sub + ice cold is already enough

ye but doesnt matter

[latent oak]

oh does he live anyways

lmao

[vivid vessel]

this is just pain sup + ice cold

no barrier

idk what barrier arcane has

and no shield

in this clip this dude has like

[raven condor]

You can at least do two with cloak if the boss lives long enough but still

[vivid vessel]

his entire health bar

in shield

[latent oak]

cant the priest be in los of the mage the whole time aswell

[vivid vessel]

so like

if he also uses greater inv

[raven condor]

not anymore

[vivid vessel]

he can live another one

wdym

they could lol

mage is a range

[raven condor]

I'm

[vivid vessel]

ye

stupid ass !

[raven condor]

a fucking smothe brain

yeah legit dumbass gimme that dunce cap

[runic bough]

zac

be nice to her

[vivid vessel]

why

[raven condor]

nah don't

roast me I'm a dumbass

small brain cosplaying as big brain

[runic bough]

im like sanji from one piece

im just nice to all girls i guess

except the ones u kno are toxic beforehand

[shut lichen]

[runic bough]

but in WoW i also know 99% of female toons are men playing so its a big misconception of females playing the game.

[raven condor]

Genital inspections coming to character selection screens

prove yer gender

[runic bough]

there was an anime that did that

Sword Art Online

players had to scan themselves

[vivid vessel]

i should start sword art online again

[latent oak]

im glad i watched that anime, bc after, i decided all animes were bad and havent watched one since

[vivid vessel]

i never went far

like 2/3 episodes

[vivid vessel]

[cinder relic]

Bro said I should start watching slop again

[vivid vessel]

is it bad

idk

[latent oak]

it was actually so dogshit

[vivid vessel]

i dont remmeber

[cinder relic]

Its just painfully average at worst

[vivid vessel]

ok nvm then

[runic bough]

how dare you say SAO is bad, its one of the OG's

[cinder relic]

If ur barely gonna watch anime, watch some peak or osmething

watch some hxh, death note

[latent oak]

its goated for putting me off anime for life

[cinder relic]

It's like being like, "I barely watch movies, let me watch Jack and Jill by adam sandler"

[runic bough]

Zac they are just anime haters

[cinder relic]

I'm not an anime hater I just don't like slop

I love anime

hxh is literal peak

[craggy barn]

imagine calling SAO an OG when its so average and over hyped, and far from OG

[runic bough]

SAO is what made a lot of other anime ideas

[cinder relic]

Also facts

its so far from OG

[latent oak]

guy u in the poe hypecycle yet

[cinder relic]

almost offensive to call it OG

[cinder relic]

Whathype cycle

[raven condor]

ABSOLUTE KINO

[cinder relic]

U mean for the upcoming league?

[latent oak]

ya

[vivid vessel]

ryuk

[stuck sparrow]

If you’re gonna watch sao

[latent oak]

1 lore teaser = me going mad

[vivid vessel]

arent you 50 year old

[stuck sparrow]

watch the progressive movies

not the og

[cinder relic]

Yeah I mean, I'm hyped for a poe 1 league because PoE 2 is literally the worst video game ever made

[runic bough]

there was Akira the real OG, then there was SAO that made a lot of other new anime ideas.

im 36 i think

[vivid vessel]

ye

[raven condor]

that's such a post 30 vibe

[vivid vessel]

old af

[craggy barn]

SAO has 0 business being mentioned in the same breath as Akira

[raven condor]

"i think idk man fuck life"

[runic bough]

yeah after 30 age is just a number

[craggy barn]

ur dead after 30

im dead

[raven condor]

It's actually my birthday today and i had to math out the exact age

[runic bough]

lol

[craggy barn]

MATH??

[latent oak]

happy birthday

[craggy barn]

[raven condor]

I fucking wish

[craggy barn]

happy birthday

[runic bough]

happy bday Frey

[raven condor]

i love my outlaw friends here's to hoping i don't make it to 33

[hybrid crown]

Watch frieren: beyond journeys end it's on netflix

It's great

[craggy barn]

now tahts a goated anime

[raven condor]

absolutely correct take

[cinder relic]

Frieren is so mid I really don't get the hype