outlaw

[unkempt cypress]

And never touch it

[wintry solar]

I bet bfa outlaw would go hard with SC

[runic bough]

i miss

when

gsw has its time

in shadowlands

[wintry solar]

I miss when before uhuh

[runic bough]

true

[shell fossil]

sod rogue better with fok ngl

[wintry solar]

SoD rogue just better

[cinder relic]

GSW saw almost 0 play in SL didnt it?

We played celerity most of the expac

[wintry solar]

It had its time

[cinder relic]

There were some bandits guile builds that were bugged and overperforming

and then dust, with some late expac memes

but GSW always kinda sucked

[gaunt phoenix]

Late shadowlands there was kyrian gsw or venthyr gsw

[wintry solar]

It was also a lot of what people played if they pve and pvpd

[cinder relic]

was it?

[wintry solar]

Since it was the only one usable in both

Before kyrian dust tech

[cinder relic]

BB was played late

idk, I will never understand the fondness for GSW

It's the most do nothing talent of all time

[wintry solar]

Big pistol shot

That's it

Idk why people need a thesis to explain why they like something

[runic bough]

well

before uhuh

we were slower

[wintry solar]

Arguable

[runic bough]

so gsw bigger dmg was like bang

nice

[gaunt phoenix]

still have some old faq entries (june 14th 2022)

[cinder relic]

No thesis needed just, idk, I like when talents do something, GSWs damage increase to PS was never big enough to actuallyh make it feel flashy to me

Ah right

GSW for cleave

[wintry solar]

Tbf most gsw lovers come from pvp

And it was big there

[gaunt phoenix]

I remember liking GSW at the time over Blunderbuss because it was consistent damage rather than a proc like BB

[cinder relic]

thats valid

GSW rn does nothing so idk

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[wintry solar]

Yeah now idek why we have it

[gaunt phoenix]

and it fucks with crackshot

[wintry solar]

If it were good, it could be a crackshot alternative since it doesn't like ace either

But will it? Idk

I do. It wont.

[gaunt phoenix]

did outlaw actually peak at shadowlands?
discuss

[cinder relic]

Obviously yes

[wintry solar]

Yes

Bfa honorable mention

I liked the choices SL offered

[frail veldt]

Yeah idk why but having PS feel like a big damage button is kinda fun for some reason

Was very different back when we didn't bte as often

[cinder relic]

spec was more fun back then 💯

[wintry solar]

[frail veldt]

If we were still playing that same version this many years later I imagine we'd be complaining a bit

But I do think the balance of adr value and uptime was better back then

We have way too much power tied up in adr

[cinder relic]

The solution the spec needed was never "we need 50% more AR uptime"

Which is what we got over the past 2 expansions now

AR was always high value, 100% uptime is too dumb

[gaunt phoenix]

It's fun but I would go back

[cinder relic]

did my wowhead article get published yet

[gaunt phoenix]

nop

[wintry solar]

No

[cinder relic]

dude

[wintry solar]

I've been waiting

[cinder relic]

They really been fuckin

1 by 1ing these

[gaunt phoenix]

[cinder relic]

To quote that article

The spec is like eating spoonfuls of sugar

[wintry solar]

I wish those articles meant something in the grand scheme of things

[cinder relic]

I mean they do somehwat, not fully

I dont think my opinion is inherently more important and worth listening to

Even if it is, objectively correct

[gaunt phoenix]

for all you know they do

[frail veldt]

Yeah but the spec still felt good outside of adr before

Ho feels fine but KiR feels AWFUL without adr

[cinder relic]

It didn't though. One of the most common complaints during all of SL was "the spec feels terrible outside of AR"

SL and BFA

[frail veldt]

Hahahaha

I mean I didn't mind it as much idk

[cinder relic]

Neither did I

But it was an extremely common complaint people had

It's probably part of the reason why we have so much AR uptime rn

[frail veldt]

Maybe cuz we just had other mechanics that were engaging outside of adr

But right now we don't even vanish without it

So we literally like afk until it's back

Which feels awful

[cinder relic]

The spec back in BFA/SL was really... not that involved tbh

Its part of what made it so enjoyable

There was no bullshit

[frail veldt]

Eh with vanish leggo and er it felt reasonably involved

Maybe not to the point it is now

But it was relatively reactive still

[random stirrup]

buffing energy regen outside AR is just a massive W for getting more people into the spec

[cinder relic]

I mean that's just playing with ER, which I would argue isn't that involved but, depends how u define the terms

[random stirrup]

good players already have 100% uptime on ar anyway

it only benefits people learning and the spec feeling awful as you learn is not good

[cinder relic]

The spec in BFA/SL was just "play around your combo points well" broadly speaking

[frail veldt]

Eh even playing perfectly it's not 100%

Sim is at like 94

[cinder relic]

Now it's like balancing KS usage, with unseen blade procs, and coup, and 4 different vanish conditionals and blah blah blah

[frail veldt]

Yeah efficient cp usage is probably the most compelling part of the spec

[random stirrup]

ya not exactly 100 but very close

and in keys essentially 100

[gaunt phoenix]

SL had the goated rule of not spending opp based on energy

Means an influx of energy felt more betterer

[shell fossil]

having good buffs means more in keys probably

[crude anchor]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[wintry solar]

Subtlety article is out lol

Someone pinged me and said "your rogue article is out" and it's sub

I'm trying to think of what current outlaw has over SL outlaw

We have keep it rolling

That's about it

[past fern]

stealth -> "infinite" buff

[wintry solar]

Nah

That's just something else that hurts us in downtime

[past fern]

idk its pretty neat to keep if you popped it a bit late

though the older version was busted

but i dont remember exactly what it id

[cinder relic]

Fan, KiR, UHUH

[runic bough]

outlaw needs expose armor

[cinder relic]

Audacity and HO

[past fern]

something with keeping adrenaline and blade flurry etc

[wintry solar]

Just kit

Kir

[runic bough]

outlaw with armor pen would go hard

[wintry solar]

I'm an uhuh hater

[past fern]

i mean outlaw is doing pretty well but

[runic bough]

[past fern]

it depends on how you look at it

[harsh forge]

i miss playing blade rush

[wintry solar]

Fan is fine. I'm neutral to it.

[past fern]

i kinda like the pistol spam and not at the same time

[wintry solar]

I'd rather feel the pain of no adr than keep UHUH tbh

I'm growing weary

[past fern]

being out of adrenaline make me feel like a slug

[shell fossil]

last season was better for kir

[past fern]

i do think gameplay wise outlaw is the best of the rogues if you can overlook killing spree

and sub the worst

[shell fossil]

so blade flurry didn't feel gummy to use like it is on ho currently

[past fern]

you can do some nasty damage as HO in m+ atm

did almost 4.5m overall in a 10 a few days ago

[wintry solar]

HO also has wild build variation

[random stirrup]

sub is so fun wdym

[wintry solar]

Sub wants to be outlaw so bad

[past fern]

i think sub has a really nice burst window that is fun

but after that burst window is over it probablt is the most boring spec in the game

[wintry solar]

Sub is only fun during shadow blades

Yeah

[past fern]

you do no damage, you feel so out of resources its crazy

[cinder relic]

Not being in cooldowns the entire fight is what makes subs burst so comeplling

[past fern]

yes its fun i get that but when youre not its so god dam awful i fall asleep

[wintry solar]

The drawbacks of a burst spec frfr

[shell fossil]

mostly its good pulls/good tanks that make sub/assassin fun outlaw is fun until my fingers get tired 😒

[past fern]

just let me do a little bit more

[random stirrup]

the fun of sub outside cds is planning your next window

stacking coup, farming cdr

[wintry solar]

Outlaw stuff

Gg go next

[past fern]

:p

i just dont like the downtime on sub

thats it

[random stirrup]

i mean I wouldn't expect there to be much overlap between outlaw and sub they are very different specs

[wintry solar]

I don't like how half the abilities have cdr and the other doesnt

[past fern]

i dont expect sub to go turbo at all times ofc

[shell fossil]

that one twin fight on doti on sub was doing stuff as a new player etc

[past fern]

just let me feel like im not a burden to my team lol

going into a pull with no cds is so sad lol

sometimes thats going to happen

depending on key level

maybe things died too fast or too slow

[harsh forge]

outlaw design is peak

[past fern]

i think the lowest lows on sub should have a little bit of an uplift at the very least

[harsh forge]

killing spree sucks and trickster is lame as hell but the spec itself is great

[random stirrup]

if you get the opportunity to prep coup + 14sht + 8 tier stacks + 2 dances at the end of a pack before going into the next with flag you are gonna explode the next one

[past fern]

last time i checked sims and stuff i saw the damage fluctuate between 6.5 million and around 400k in single target like

damn

not in consistent damage but in highest burst damage you do and the lowest point your damage is in your rotation

thats wild to me

and from the point of your burst to the lowest point you dont go up in dps at all you only do down for around 60-70 ish seconds

idk about you but that doesnt sound very fun to me

but who am i to judge

[random stirrup]

[wintry solar]

It's okay

I'll judge for you

Sub SUCKS

[past fern]

oof

[wintry solar]

Outlaw wannabe

[past fern]

ill be honest

i liked pre "rework" sub more

[wintry solar]

I feel that way for every spec tbh

[shell fossil]

killing spree is goat but imagine using it next season on ara kara

[past fern]

well Ret is much better now

thats for sure

the numbers prove it

[wintry solar]

I mean for rogue lol

[past fern]

ah yeah

then i agree 100%

[wintry solar]

Ret much better off for sure

[past fern]

thats the best rework they ever made

ret went from a bottom 5 spec in popularity to the undisputed rank 1 most played

its not even close

not even bm is close

[wintry solar]

The visuals are also a lot better

[past fern]

hell yeah

i guess they hit a one hit wonder with that one

[fathom bramble]

I guess that's why ret players look at me like I'm insane when I saw I liked it more prerework

[past fern]

;p

yeah

i mean you can like what you want

[wintry solar]

No you cant

[past fern]

loool

[fathom bramble]

a lot of good changes were made, but getting holy power on AA just killed it for me

[wintry solar]

Evidently you're not allowed to dislike crackshot

[past fern]

i do miss 1 thing with old ret

[wintry solar]

What's that

[lime lake]

i'd like it if templar strikes was remotely competitive with crusader strikes

[past fern]

and that is its absolutely insane execution sentence damage

that thing could nuke so freaking hard man

[wintry solar]

Ohhh yeah

[past fern]

you could have a ret not even visible on the dps meter

and then all of the sudden its nr1 out of nowhere

crazy stuff

now execution sentence it pretty lame

[fathom bramble]

yeah idk what it looks like right now but the difference was large enough for me to just drop my ret instead of playing the bad build

[past fern]

still a cool ability but not anywhere near as cool as before

i dont know why templar strikes is so much worse

and i also dont like that 99% of the time

taking something completely passive or deleting even more buttons is a dps increase

[fathom bramble]

turns out taking things effectively off the gcd is really good

[past fern]

heck you even make your wings passive now and thats the best pick

[wintry solar]

I don't like passive wings fr

[shell fossil]

i think it's weird that pres evoker is kinda like holy priest with bloodlust unless you're goat with it

speaking of wings

[past fern]

lol

[shell fossil]

i dislike inviting them

[past fern]

speaking of evoker...

my most hated spec of all time

stupid dragon aug

the other 2 i dont mind

but aug can go

[wintry solar]

I don't invite mages or evokers

[past fern]

based

i dont invite evokers either

[wintry solar]

Hesitant on drakthyr in general tbh

I hate looking at them

[past fern]

i dont like furries in general so it doesnt make it any better

"um achhhssuly its a scaly" stfu didnt ask dont care, all of them are furries

lol

[wintry solar]

Guilty by association

[past fern]

yes

if its a humanoid with animal head and features its a furry i dont care

[wintry solar]

If it has one animal feature its a furry

[past fern]

the head alone is enough

i wouldnt say just ears is furry

might aswell be a cosplayer at that point

[wintry solar]

I would. Elves are on thin ice

[past fern]

lmaao

ah yes the furry race elves

[wintry solar]

Shout out to the nelf tree

10/10 would burn down again

[fathom bramble]

yeah I feel the same way about the DH talent that does the same thing

[past fern]

100% agree with that too

id rather have an active button to click

[fathom bramble]

and I was somewhat worried that we would get sinister strike as an AA Replacer in the rework

even though I had no reason to believe that we would

[wintry solar]

You know what I want?

More buttons for outlaw

[past fern]

autoattack only class

just wait

no buttons only defensives

you only click and thats it

[fathom bramble]

sounds like combat rogue

[past fern]

lol

[wintry solar]

I never thought outlaw had too many binds

[past fern]

i dont think it has too many either

[fathom bramble]

40% aa 10% poisons 👌

now that was a prime spec

[past fern]

only class i would even concider that with would be pre rework shaman perhaps

these feckers had so much stuff

[wintry solar]

Classic Andys are here somewhere ready to take this as gospel

[past fern]

still has a lot but abit less

[fathom bramble]

we were kind of verging on too many binds in some builds sometimes

mostly pre-rework when you could take like 4 extra active abilities

[wintry solar]

Idk

[past fern]

i prefer having many buttons

[fathom bramble]

in my opinion at least

[wintry solar]

I can see removing SnD as a bind but I'm biased

[past fern]

i feel so naked with specs like fury warrior and ret

[wintry solar]

Everything else was fine to me

[past fern]

can barely fill like 1 row lol

[fathom bramble]

I feel like you shouldn't really have 2 buttons that do the same thing without any kind of interesting interactions going on

or a button that you are forced to bind, but only press once or twice a combat(SND)

[past fern]

well that would obviouslt suck balls

but some interesting abilities never hurt

[fathom bramble]

for sure

I think we are in a good spot for overall rotation binds rn anyway

I would like to see GS moved back to the GCD to remove the incentive to macro it though

[past fern]

mhm

[fathom bramble]

make it a real skill or merge it with AR instead of this weird half space where you might as well macro it

[wintry solar]

Yeahhhh

I'd also like it to be a player buff but let's take it one thing at a time

[past fern]

i think macros are neat but only if its for minor things like @ cursor etc

[tender wedge]

that's fine as long as you make the initial hit do decent damage too i think

[fathom bramble]

player buff, generate opportunity, more than 1 CP, back on the GCD

2 charges

[past fern]

i dont like when the most optimal way to play is to macro lots of stuff into 1 button lol

[tender wedge]

yeah keep going im almost there

[past fern]

unless its maybe something as simple as adrenaline + trinket + pot

[fathom bramble]

it's now the trickster button

[past fern]

thats fine

[fathom bramble]

actually

why isn't it the trickster button

[wintry solar]

Coup but it's just a bind now

[past fern]

not saying thats the most optimal but just an example

[wintry solar]

Oooo no

[fathom bramble]

coup could unironically just replace KS as a button

[wintry solar]

Coup but it replaces dispatch perma

Or that

[fathom bramble]

throw in some slight trickster reworks

[wintry solar]

I know feint trickster wouldve been bad but I still want to try it

See with my hands

[past fern]

i dont like the hero talents for rogue at all

[fathom bramble]

if they made feint actually generate more than the 2 cp they planned then I think it would have been fine actually

[past fern]

all of them are boring af

[frail veldt]

I honestly wish gs was removed entirely

[fathom bramble]

but I also don't think your dps rotation including 100% uptime on such a DR is really healthy either idk

[wintry solar]

That on top of how much vanish heals would be crazy

[fathom bramble]

it's weird that vanish heal is basically our only healing talent that does anything

[past fern]

i think vanish as dps on outlaw is weird

i feel like outlaw is more of a fighter type

[wintry solar]

I think the subterfuge part is weird

[past fern]

we use pistols aswell

[shell fossil]

yeah the other specs could keep it but outlaw could get something else

[fathom bramble]

I mean

[shell fossil]

like a smoke bomb

[past fern]

which is very loud lol

[fathom bramble]

we have been vanishing for dps for as long as outlaw has existed

[past fern]

so much weird stuff

[frail veldt]

Yeah instead of removing dance they should have given it two charges and renamed it to something more thematic and dropped our reliance on subterfuge

[wintry solar]

Not in bfa and it was optional in SL depending on build

[past fern]

well just because it has been like that for so long doesnt mean it makes sense

at least not which how outlaw is now

[fathom bramble]

we had a window in bfa where you didn't really vanish, but I don't think vanish is something that is too surprising to have on outlaw

[past fern]

it feels more pirate than ever

exept for the fact that we go invis lol

[fathom bramble]

I like vanish as a theming to send a dirty hit

actual pocket sand

[past fern]

might aswell be a ranged dps at this point

[glass mortar]

nerf the damage amp

buff the cp gen

[past fern]

we use the pistol more than anything anyways

lol

[glass mortar]

its just a MfD that does damage

MfD is fun

[wintry solar]

I just don't like subterfuge with outlaw. Like A dmg amp in a window within a window feels too abrasive to me

Not an amp. Idk why I said that

[past fern]

i think the invis stuff fits the other 2 specs much more

[wintry solar]

If vanish granted something like crit chance or whatever I'd be a lot more open

[past fern]

yet we use it the most lol

[fathom bramble]

always have

idk it seems off to me to claim something doesn't 'fit' outlaw when we have been doing it forever

[past fern]

i just dont think it does

i never thought it did

[fathom bramble]

to me it's part of our theme and a core part of our gameplay

[wintry solar]

Idk about core now

[past fern]

it feels more like an assassin thing

in fact i think they should go invis waaaay more than they are

[fathom bramble]

for gameplay having an extra CD to manage is pretty meaningful

[runic bough]

hmmm

[past fern]

but hey im not a class designer so

[wintry solar]

I don't see it honestly

[runic bough]

gs vs pc

[wintry solar]

Pc

[past fern]

they do whatever they think is good ig

[wintry solar]

M+ is real content

[past fern]

even though i think rogue is in dire need of things but

[fathom bramble]

you might not like the effect vanish has, but it's clearly having one

[past fern]

maybe im just under the rock or something but

[runic bough]

i feel like our single target sucks, im gonna test gs instead of pc

[wintry solar]

That's why I drop ace

[runic bough]

⚠️

[past fern]

rogue got nothing this whole expansion

am i wrong for thinking that

[wintry solar]

I get cto and gs AND pc

[shell fossil]

we got blade flurry fixed

[fathom bramble]

maybe I'm just not stuck on the invsibility of it all to dislike vanish like this

I think fighting dirty and using distraction to your advantage is very outlaw

[past fern]

im not counting bug fixes ofc

[shell fossil]

lmao ye

[past fern]

the specs should just work

[wintry solar]

I want to make it clear I don't like subterfuge. Vanish is fine.

[past fern]

lets say we have gotten 1 A4 of changes this expansion

all of it just bug fixes

[wintry solar]

Because I feel like people assume I mean vanish when I say subt

[glass mortar]

subterfuge is a very fun mechanic and the way it interacts with outlaw is super unique and feels very outlaw to me.

[fathom bramble]

do I remember right that your thing is mostly disliking needing to overlap subterfuge with AR?

[glass mortar]

but i think there should probably be a choice node that removes the gameplay and instead just

gives you more ace procs or something

so u can pick between these micro windows of flexible power spike vs just flat damage

[wintry solar]

Yeah thats like 80% of it

[past fern]

i think it would be neat if my dps meter didnt show 99% blade flurry

[wanton parcel]

How's my dmg break down looking? practicing outlaw this week. KIR

[past fern]

maybe i wanna know what did the damage lol

[glass mortar]

i mean

bf doesnt change the relative %s of ur other damage sources

u can still compare the ratios of ur bte to dispatch and such

[wintry solar]

The other 20% is the rng but it's outlaw so it's not as big a deal

[glass mortar]

because they all contribute to bf equally

[wintry solar]

I can rebuild from bad rng

[shell fossil]

how many times did you cast killing spree?

[past fern]

i just mean that id like it if the ability i used wasnt just shown as BF

i find it hard to read what i did lol

[fathom bramble]

I think that the issues with this(at least to me) are mostly fixed by addressing AR problems

[shell fossil]

im okay with this raid not being great for outlaw but it would be nice to have an option for raids if that makes sense

[glass mortar]

that would be difficult to do considering it is BF

doing the damage

none of our abilities do aoe

[fathom bramble]

moving some of our AR uptime out of uhuh and to something else or a choice node would be nice

[shell fossil]

that doesn't involve too much muh downtime

[glass mortar]

i dont think any damage % cleave in the game shows you its contributing sources directly

[past fern]

i do understand that but. still lol

[glass mortar]

ignite, PL

[fathom bramble]

BF remembering the spell it came from as well as damage type and crit status would definitely be nice

[past fern]

yeah

[fathom bramble]

I'm certain that it requires recoding BF though

so it may never happen

[glass mortar]

yea i dont think any of these type of effects in the game

can show this right now

they probably all work the same

[past fern]

lit would be neat if you could click an arrow on bf where you can see the abilities inside of it

[fathom bramble]

they don't

[glass mortar]

which is why they all always break

[past fern]

but oh well

[glass mortar]

in old content at the same time

[past fern]

its all just a QoL id love

[fathom bramble]

the only ones that sort of do are things like trickshots and the warrior thing where it's not really a cleave

[dire thistle]

is there a cancelaura killing spree macro?

[fathom bramble]

but instead just a spell that hits more things

[past fern]

i dont think you can cancel KS

[glass mortar]

u cant cancel killing spree

[past fern]

as i thought

[dire thistle]

oof

[past fern]

KS gets better the more you know of what youre fighting

[fathom bramble]

you could copy BF into like 14 different spells that all are just current BF but for only 1 thing

and make BF apply all of them 🤔

[past fern]

i think the biggest weakness of KS is that going blind with it is very hard to do well

[fathom bramble]

which sounds like an actual nightmare

[past fern]

maybe its too much of an ask ig

i just like knowing what did what thats all lol

[glass mortar]

and at the end of the day the breakdown would just be identical to ur damage sources outside bf. the ratios wouldnt change except trinkets

the reality is whats contributing to ur damage in aoe is 99% identical to st

[past fern]

i think the different between bf and ignite would be that ignite doesnt take the damage of the ability into account at all

[glass mortar]

BF just echos everything

[past fern]

which also makes tracking which ability you used useless

[frail rover]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[past fern]

BF is different where it does different damage depending on the ability used and its damage right

[random stirrup]

1fth kir trickster appears to have a bit more added difficulty huh

these ps shot rules a bit weird to adjust to

[past fern]

ignite is all mastery based and does the same damage regardless

[glass mortar]

no

[past fern]

no?

[glass mortar]

all abilities bf the same % split of their damage

idk what u mean

[past fern]

that doesnt sound right

[glass mortar]

?

[wintry solar]

I'd like to see how celerity would work as a choice node

[glass mortar]

its just 60% of all ur damage

60% of a bte and 60% of a dispatch

is the same ratio as st

[fathom bramble]

Choice node with underhanded upper hand

Upper Hand: Spending combo points extends Adrenaline Rush and Blade flurry durations by x seconds per combo point spent. Additionally Blade flurry and Adrenaline rush cannot lose duration if you have not spent or generated combo points in the last 3 seconds.

[glass mortar]

ur damage sources r the same in aoe and st

[past fern]

there is no way a Between the Eyes blade flurry does the same damage as a sinister strike blade flurry

[glass mortar]

only thing that changes a bit is direct damage procs

[wintry solar]

Dude I love that cook

[glass mortar]

what do u mean

a bte bf does the same % of its total damage as a SS

meaning the ratio of their damages is the same

if ss is worth 5% of ur dps in ST, and bte 20%

then in aoe bte is 20% and ss is 5%

[wintry solar]

I love baseline efficient building and spending.

[glass mortar]

they cleave for the same % of their total damage

[wintry solar]

It's a fun loop

[glass mortar]

the only way it would change is if BF cleaved for different %s of certain abilities

[past fern]

so it does different damage based on abilities

[glass mortar]

of course its just a reduced damage hit of that ability to all targets

but the ratio doesnt change

[past fern]

so where am i wrong

thats what i said

[glass mortar]

right so that means ur damage breakdown in aoe is 99% identical to ST

[past fern]

it was an exageration in aoe

my bad for not specifying

[fathom bramble]

I think a lot about how you could adjust AR to be less problematic

[wintry solar]

It's a great idea

Also qwells the anti-stealth outlaw people

I imagine anyway

[wintry solar]

5700x3d to answer the question you asked a month or so ago

About my cpu upgrade

From a ryzen 5 2600

[fathom bramble]

nice

I want an upgrade so bad, but I just can't right now

[wintry solar]

I still have a 580

[fathom bramble]

not quite as bad of a cpu as you had though

[wintry solar]

What was yours?

[shell fossil]

its a few digits behind a 1060, ye i had one too

[wintry solar]

Or is yours

[fathom bramble]

ryzen 7 2700x

[past fern]

i used to have a 1060 for the longest time

[wintry solar]

I feel like I'm blue balling my pc hard by having a 5700x3d and an RX 580 lol

[cinder relic]

I wanna buy a juicer GPU now

But a juicer GPU is also 1k

GG

[past fern]

yeah its expensive :/

[wintry solar]

The 580 runs good enough for newer games but really the main game I play on pc is wow so I'm in no rush for a new gpu

[past fern]

i remember when the top of the line cards was below 800 dollars

[fathom bramble]

it could open up some no vanish/subterfuge builds

maybe

[past fern]

1080 ti how much was it again?

700 dollars

still a lot ofc

[fathom bramble]

though the real goal to me is just to make our AR generation less finicky

[past fern]

but that was the king at the time

[fathom bramble]

if it's going to be 100% uptime just let it be

[wintry solar]

Maybe. The cdr of back to back ace procs is unrivaled atm

Yeah if it's 100% up then the button wouldn't matter

Unless it's capped or something

Hmm

[fathom bramble]

I was kind of thinking extend only up to their original base durations

and we would still cast AR for CP for what its worth

[shell fossil]

is tww more arcadey compared to bfa/sl if that makes sense?

[wintry solar]

Everytime I see a good cook in this channel, I get hopeful and then I remember it takes years for changes like that to happen lol

[wintry solar]

Wdym by arcadey

[shell fossil]

if vanilla is slow and by extension "realistic" and dragonflight is more instant gameplay loops where is bfa/sl in comparison

[fathom bramble]

it's pretty unlikely that a dev would even see these cooks and then decide to copy them anyway

[wintry solar]

For sure

[fathom bramble]

would love to see the mastery cook though

[wintry solar]

You mean wow in general or outlaw?

[shell fossil]

uhhh...lets say outlaw but wow in general is good too

[wintry solar]

My brain equates arcadey with gimmicky

Idk if that's right

I think SL and BFA are about the same

For wow in general

SL a lot more arcadey for outlaw

[wintry solar]

But again. Idk if this is right

It's just what I think of

Like how cod is an arcade shooter and every cod there's some weird gimmick

[wintry solar]

Supercharger/Tea build inc

[fathom bramble]

Your single target melee attacks have a 30% chance to strike again with your off-hand for x% of the original damage dealt. All other ability damage is increased by y%.

if I post it enough maybe it will happen

[runic bough]

lok

what is your single target

dmg

[fathom bramble]

in what

[runic bough]

like 2 boss cleave is 3mil

whats your single target damage

mine is sucks

[fathom bramble]

idk

I don't pay attention when I do keys

[runic bough]

sometimes 1.3-2mil

the variance is huge

and everyone else can do 3mil on single target lol

but we can only do that in cleave 2 boss

[true cedar]

Mastery is lookin insane rn with that offhand 8)

[wintry solar]

This guy

[true cedar]

(8

im not WRONG

[wintry solar]

Bro is the aoe master

[true cedar]

watch for the s3 mastery rework bro

[fathom bramble]

mastery and the new offhand don't really interact though

[wintry solar]

Hell no

[true cedar]

every1makin fun of me when my main gauche dmg is goated

[wintry solar]

I don't know if I trust blizz reworking outlaw again lol

[true cedar]

WE CANT TRUST ANYONE AT THIS POINT THEY MIGHT AS WELL DO SOMETHIN

I DONT WANNA STACK VERS ANYMORE I WANT TO HAVE FUN INTERACTIVE STATS PLEASE

[wintry solar]

You picked the wrong spec

[wintry solar]

Class

You picked the wrong class lol

[fathom bramble]

looks like someone logged the cleft I did the other day if you want real numbers https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qtacXZ2djpwGzh7F?fight=1&type=damage-done

[true cedar]

its ok popo

i believe

they will rise again from the ashes and be insanely fun

[wintry solar]

I do too for some ungodly reason

Idk what's wrong with me

[true cedar]

and not having to slam my desk whenever i get slightly too tired and press KS into a death

[true cedar]

SAME HERE

[wintry solar]

I don't want blizz touching it but I also get upset when they dont

Maybe because I feel like they'd make changes I don't like

[true cedar]

^

sometimes they need to destroy to build it up

[wintry solar]

And when I see everyone else like it, it makes me feel alienated.

And then I grow resentful

[sterile pond]

Can sm1 Share me when to use roll the bones weakaura

[molten topaz]

Just returning after a few months off, are people really running Trickster now? I feel like I'm just going to die non-stop in keys

[tender wedge]

nah trickster is goated

sure you might die

but you might die anyway

[radiant fiber]

!ambush

[ornate heath]

It is possible to use a macro to cast Ambush during Stealth/Audacity and Sinister Strike otherwise, instead of using the stealth bar:
/cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, bonusbar:1] Ambush ; Sinister Strike
*This is most useful to swap between HO and KIR builds without changing keybinds.
Stance swap delay is, for now, not an issue since we don't want to cast vanish into ambush anymore.

[vernal bone]

Is there a strategy you guys use for simming your character if your options you want go well over 16mil, been thinking about simming

1. without all gems or enchants,
2. doing trinket sims
3. gem/chant sims
   X( prob way overthinking it

[sick rain]

hey best rogues, should i use anything before putting the key in for mythic+? playing KIR

[hot olive]

!pre

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[sterile pond]

Can sm1 Share me when to use roll the bones weakaura

[karmic fox]

you can use killing spree on dummy or a mob in most dungeons for faster coup proc

[runic bough]

TEAM PLAYER

[fathom bramble]

I don't pay attention when I do keys

what can I say

I'm also probably too use to Lisarah calling kicks

[runic bough]

lol well still everyone is 99 parse

[fathom bramble]

and just not doing anything if he isn't

[runic bough]

ok heres a single target fight

looks like you get 3mil in single target

3mil peak single target

average is like 2.4 maybe

alright i have something to go for now

my damage is like everyone elses now that i have teh ambush macro

but single target doesnt get that high

MY single target gets up to 2mil lol https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dHcZbjzKBxy6Tghq?fight=1&type=damage-done&source=2&pull=13

[opal cosmos]

Hey Guys
I decided to switch from Assa to Outlaw since i loved outlaw in Dragonflight

I read in pins about the Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel

Can we still play with a dagger in OH and Mugzee weapon in MH?

[green elm]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[vivid vessel]

You want a 684 main hand

Otherwise you would play mugzee in off hand if it's hc

[opal cosmos]

I dont have a 684 for MH atm

[vivid vessel]

Well that's fairly easy to get

At least a crafted

Higher ilvl goes main hand

[opal cosmos]

and for OH ? dagger 681 or Mugzee hc? Capo

But first thing first
HO for m+?

Looking at sites like Murlock they all play KIR build

[thorn river]

HO abit simpler and less haste requirement

KIR more fun imo

[opal cosmos]

I didnt played outlaw for more then 1 year so i think i will start with HO

[thorn river]

HO needs 10% to start out KIr needs 19%

[opal cosmos]

haste %?

[thorn river]

yeah

[opal cosmos]

My big problem now is that i crafted everything i could and i got to play with HC weapon since i was playing assa and go 2\ 681 daggers

[thorn river]

for M+ get that cudgel its easy and fast to get

[opal cosmos]

the one from pins?

and use it as OH?

and Capo as main hand?

[hollow temple]

cudgel for trash packs, capo for bosses

both offhand

craft 681 mainhand

should be a weapon swap macro in the pins for swapping the offhands during keys

[opal cosmos]

i guess a 681 dagger is not ok for MH

[hollow temple]

no

we can use daggers in offhand and it be the same as swords, but atm we have multiple weapons with effects on them

so there's not really room for it rn

[opal cosmos]

well as i sayd before right now i have only 2 hc weapons because i cant craft anymore
got Capo and Crowds Favorite

[thorn river]

the cudgel is just a 10 min event

[hollow temple]

run some sims and check

prolly gonna mainhand capo/offhand cudgel for m+

craft a sword asap

[delicate quest]

honestly would be interested in seeing what the difference is between a 671 capo/etc is vs a 681 crafted offhand. a lot of stats on a stick vs a proc -10ilevel

outlaw isn't fucking around with procs not sure I could put money 1 way or the other

[hollow temple]

hc capo is bis

cudgel offhand is champ track and bis for trash packs

[storm drum]

have you simmed a mythic track dagger with vers over mastery the rik dagger?

[hollow temple]

i don't think it matters what the offhand is

capo/cudgel will win

afaik

from the pins

[thorn river]

yeah it is

pins are op

[delicate quest]

I don't doubt that its batting above its ilevel Crawg tusks were pretty similar and I farmed those more than i would have liked too.

[thorn river]

atleast it was a fun dungeon imo

[delicate quest]

unguent caress was even cooler

i jump scared myself with those the first time I got one

[astral wind]

Not only is it strong but the visual is fun as fuck

Press vanish, BTE, massive shadow explosion

[thorn river]

true it looks great

[opal cosmos]

So i got the cudgel
Its important to use the swap macro in M+?
And btw wich build do everyone preffers now? KIR or HO whats the dps Diferrence between them

[hollow temple]

Depends on what your other offhand would be, but yeah probably

If your other offhand is the 681 dagger ye

You just swap to the dagger before bosses and swap back to the cudgel after bosses, for the trash packs

The builds are both extremely close, you can just play whichever you prefer

[opal cosmos]

To be sure i sim correctly should i use dungeon slice with latest or 6-8 targets into 1 min sim?

[hollow temple]

Dslice for m+

Patchwerk for ST

[opal cosmos]

allright thanks ill see how it works

[astral wind]

Having a lot of fun with outlaw the last 2 days, blasting keys, how do I get around the tryhard guilt of not playing Assa in raid though? 😅 Going into 1st full night of m gally prog today and getting the overwhelming feeling I should recraft back to Assa stats haha

[vivid vessel]

Outlaw is strong on gally if you are good at outlaw

But idk

It's one of the boss I think you might struggle unless you are very used to killing sprre

Gally will die whatever spec you play tho the boss is kinda

Empty

[astral wind]

Yeah I get that feeling

I've certainly had some KS moments in keys the last couple days

[delicate quest]

outlaw really shines at healing parses on carnage be all you can be!

early in the tier I managed 4.3M hps

[astral wind]

How much DPS loss is sending low cp KS on fights like Gally overall? Is it quantified anywhere?

[tiny crystal]

!log

[final grail]

Just got back into the game and I keep getting griefed by killing spree slacking in AOE, do you guys have advices about this ?

[tiny crystal]

whats this ambush macro u speak of ?

[vivid vessel]

He forgot to bind ambush in stealth

Dw about him

[lime lake]

[ancient laurel]

Hey, I want to try out playing outlaw in some keys, there seems to be a bit of a divide between keep it rolling and builds without, anyone have a recommendation for a starter build?

Also, why do so many outlaw rogues not take cheat death?

[leaden folio]

its about your haste, you should play ho ; its easier and ask about less haste

[leaden folio]

at high key level, you need feint to not die ; cheat death work once every 5or6 minute i dont remember;
feint work every 20sec

[ancient laurel]

what does ho stand for?

So if Im just a shitter, I can just play cheat death is what I'm taking away from this

[leaden folio]

(H)idden (O)pportunity : #1276306860126900315 message

[wintry solar]

Hidden opportunity

[leaden folio]

in low key you dont need to press feint to not dying, so you can keep cheat death

[ancient laurel]

Since you mentioned it, what are the haste values when I can think about trying different builds? I'm guessing I would want to hit a threshold before trying KIR?

[leaden folio]

!haste

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[leaden folio]

you should look with raidbot, but HO look like ok with around 15% haste

[radiant fiber]

I have 12% haste with ho and sims are telling me to recraft bracers and weap with crit/vers now they have haste/vers

[proven tiger]

I should be using Stix trink only at 30 stacks yes? Or there are some scenarios ?

[inland acorn]

on cd, unless you want to hold stacks for dmg amp

[proven tiger]

So I basically use it at 1/2 stacks ?

[inland acorn]

Yes, doesn't matter, because it's linear increase

Only scenario you would think about holding is for dmg amp like rookery last boss or smth

[high shard]

Anyone else getting dumped with Pi in m+ while playing alongside mages, wlocks etc

[proven tiger]

yp

Think it is some addon or WA

that just dumps the PI on someone with CDs in use

[vivid vessel]

its baseline pi

[grand schooner]

is it easier to play outlaw compared to previous expansion? What is the main difference?

[vivid vessel]

goes on people that have cds up if its not targeted on someone

[silent marsh]

what u think will be title cut off
since 18s are so free rn and 19s prob anyone can finish with resilent keys around in two more months time

[limpid turret]

hey guys maybe this isn't the best place to ask but, how much time will it take to gear up quickly to get into high keys as a player that didnt play since early szn1, and are outlaw raid trinkets hard to obtain?

[blissful idol]

I did it in less than a week without playing so much

But I still miss some upgrades

[limpid turret]

ty for the info

[blissful idol]

basically depends on how much time you can invest

and also your ability to join in 12's i guess

to get 20 crests per run

[serene gate]

Hello, for HO on stealth we use ambush only or do we SS if we havent the proc ? 🤔 (so the discussion yesterday but couldnt understand a thing)

[thorn river]

Kush to method 😮

[leaden folio]

!ambush

[ornate heath]

It is possible to use a macro to cast Ambush during Stealth/Audacity and Sinister Strike otherwise, instead of using the stealth bar:
/cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, bonusbar:1] Ambush ; Sinister Strike
*This is most useful to swap between HO and KIR builds without changing keybinds.
Stance swap delay is, for now, not an issue since we don't want to cast vanish into ambush anymore.

[leaden folio]

make this macro and replace ambush by that

[red zinc]

The saudi bag is crazy

Must be

[thorn river]

from his discord he i saw main reason is most of his friends are there and he missed playing rogue, but the bag can do wonders aswell

[serene gate]

Ah OK, but yeah i thought they said its better to cast SS in stealth (without proc) but nvm, thx

[timber knoll]

If I am caught in the diddy leaks I can join method too

[long barn]

Has anyone been noticing spell queue issues randomly in M+

[hasty warren]

yo pirates

[wintry solar]

Legion classic ain't here yet

[night dragon]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[wise flower]

Whats the practical difference between the KiR M+ build and the HO M+ build? HO sims higher for me but that doesn't mean much for Dungeonslice probably

[dark bone]

what should i pick for my 3 dinars on this bad boy?

wowhead says

[astral wind]

Brother lets get you in some 12s before we discuss dinars 🤣

[dark bone]

so i should wait you think 😛

[vivid vessel]

wtf its afenar

the real one

[jolly geyser]

why is higher ilvl in off hand?

[dark bone]

better now? 🤣

[jolly geyser]

[vivid vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-silly-cat-cat-explode-yellow-cat-gif-12654556298327310612

[dark bone]

but seriously should i just wait with my pick i dont intend to do 12s im more into raiding

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-silly-cat-cat-explode-yellow-cat-gif-12654556298327310612

[dark bone]

im 2/8 mythic only xD

[astral wind]

Will you get a mug kill at some point?

[dark bone]

no guild

not in the nearest future no

[jolly geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1373637768206614628/reverse.gif?ex=682b235c&is=6829d1dc&hm=05e047360cfa69f0714578c448503995b79d26ab83ccd600a764d1f17d622564&

[astral wind]

Do you not get WA creator privileges?

[dark bone]

nope

[astral wind]

Shit I've used your packs for like 5 years I'll get you 12s gamer

[deep cedar]

!Tott

[ornate heath]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[vivid vessel]

using afenar packs in 2025

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-silly-cat-cat-explode-yellow-cat-gif-12654556298327310612

[deep cedar]

does this also work on hunter?

[astral wind]

I'm using these fucking rogue nerd edits now

Some kid called

"talk quietly" or some shit

Some Assa gamer

[red zinc]

Zac did you see the tgp drama

[vivid vessel]

i see

talk quietly

[vivid vessel]

dorki dq ?

[jolly geyser]

quite

[red zinc]

if dorki is in goated ye

[vivid vessel]

idk

[red zinc]

shocking disclosure pot got them banned

[vivid vessel]

he must be

ye

[red zinc]

[vivid vessel]

hilarous

[dark bone]

maybe i should get the mug weapon in hc

cuzmythic i wont tbh

[astral wind]

@dark bone if you're not going 12s or myth raid then yeah capo's heroic is probs the play

[dark bone]

sweet

[proven ocean]

Thats the dumbest shit ive ever seen in my life

[red zinc]

I mean yeah

[astral wind]

But can also sim if you think you might get the HC one in vault or from raid to replace your normal one

[dark bone]

capo's over the gallywix thumb?

[red zinc]

Blizz can literally ban pots themselves by hand

Or items

If they dont its a clever use of game mechanics

[astral wind]

I've been playing outlaw for 3 days now but I think so 🙃

[proven ocean]

Blizzard is full of shit whoever disqualified them is soft as fuck

[red zinc]

Yes

[dark bone]

okay ill go for that then

should i craft an off-hand sword or axe maybe?

[proven ocean]

Can’t let esports players play their game

[dark bone]

to use with the capo

[hollow temple]

i was about to blow the fuck up

[astral wind]

There a HoF channel for most stupid killing spree deaths? I'll post my raid tonight in there

[proven ocean]

Instead try to show people they have rules to enforce

[red zinc]

Played against some 3.5k ele with pi yesterday

[proven ocean]

Fucking pigs

🐽

[red zinc]

Bet him for 20k id beat him

[hollow temple]

i DQ'd them fuck everyone !

[red zinc]

beat him by a mill and now hes telling me he is going to reroll and asking for tips

If u get gapped like that by me then id do the same i am not playing well

[astral wind]

Wtf was the ele sham smoking?

I guess what key + level?

[red zinc]

15 rookery

[astral wind]

Okay that makes a bit more sense

But still 1mil kinda crazy

[covert kestrel]

You prob want crafted main hand (assuming you don't have a mythic weapon) and then for offhand use capos for st fights and the nightfall cudgel for aoe fights, and use the macro in the pins to switch

[rotund zodiac]

[vivid vessel]

[rotund zodiac]

hi chat

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-cat-ghoul-gif-15685393113271845735

[vivid vessel]

wait wtf

a song i was listening to

got replaced by another version

on spotify

[proven ocean]

no one asked

[vivid vessel]

how is that allowed

I feel scammed rn

[proven ocean]

There are many versions of songs in spotify

[vivid vessel]

ye but

i have listened to this version for so long

and now

the same song, like i have it in my playlist

is not the same anymore

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-silly-cat-cat-explode-yellow-cat-gif-12654556298327310612

[vivid vessel]

how does that happen ????

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-silly-cat-cat-explode-yellow-cat-gif-12654556298327310612

[vivid vessel]

litteraly biggest scam wtf

give me back my song

im so mad rn

[covert kestrel]

It hurts when an old song you like gets removed from spotify

Like why take it away

Rip Concrete Angel - John O'Callaghan remix, now I have to use YouTube to listen to you

[vivid vessel]

But it's not even removed I'm so confused

It's still the same sound

Under the same artist

[late swallow]

https://youtu.be/RMVqEFQuQTg?si=npsG1Cm0hrpC-6Pt

[vivid vessel]

But a random guy is singing instead

Like wtf ???

[late swallow]

Gutted they took this off spotify

[covert kestrel]

Banger

[covert kestrel]

https://youtu.be/fvtQYsckLxk

[vivid vessel]

i litteraly got scammed of one of the best song on the internet ..

so mad rn

[tropic zephyr]

What was it

Ye's latest song?

[vivid vessel]

Not telling!

[tropic zephyr]

A banger I'm sure

[vivid vessel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2CzFQpWoLs&ab_channel=WangOK

this the song

[late swallow]

The way she sings it

“Shitty of shtars”

[tropic zephyr]

[vivid vessel]

stop hatting

[tropic zephyr]

Nice song tho

So what changed

[late swallow]

It’s like the evangelion outro

“Fry me to da moon”

[tropic zephyr]

Bro talks about 20 years old song like we remember

[vivid vessel]

https://open.spotify.com/track/2Lqn053DBXSDTGaks55PMS?si=26a503de7e4e400d

some random dude is singing it on spotify now

biggest scam of the century

[late swallow]

I just know there’s a lotta weebs here!

[late swallow]

Yeah spotify has taken down a lot of random good shit for me too

[vivid vessel]

its not taken dow ntho

its replaced by another

[late swallow]

https://youtu.be/B_wM524-IvQ?si=UMRgnSbVTXncVX4v

[vivid vessel]

while being the same link to the song

[late swallow]

This shit is gone now

[vivid vessel]

how does that happen

[late swallow]

Legit goated song

[proven ocean]

I listen to music on tidal

Way higher sound quality

But u need a good headphone to notice the difference

[tropic zephyr]

Ok yeah

It's not as satisfying

There's something about the previous version that makes it a 100 parse

And new version barely gets past orange

[proven ocean]

Yo cumming and cummingtons what do i eat for lunch

[vivid vessel]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/killing-spree-fix-concept/2088489/119 guys

have you seen this post

[tropic zephyr]

Mushroom Quesadillas

[vivid vessel]

bro there is no keys in lfg

[late swallow]

Eat something high in protein

[vivid vessel]

what do i do

@fallen knot you there

[proven ocean]

They filter outlaw players

[tropic zephyr]

Unknown OP I'm not answering

[proven ocean]

So u dont queue

[fallen knot]

almost

let me finish a magic game

[proven ocean]

Dont help zac

Hes a cock

@vivid vessel thoughts?

[fallen knot]

a commander game

so like

at least 30mins

[vivid vessel]

ye big cock

true

why bro asking for tips

its not even resilient

[patent mirage]

when nightstalker didnt work , there was a guy that was making daily posts on the forums about it

we need that guy for ks

[hardy thicket]

didnt they take like 4 months to fix that

[patent mirage]

more

[red zinc]

Wow in a post resilient world

Never shouldve added it no cap

[hardy thicket]

[red zinc]

Playerbase cant have nice things

[patent mirage]

must be american

[hardy thicket]

idc ppl find ways to make gold with new additions its still an awesome step in the right direction

[patent mirage]

[tropic zephyr]

Maybe this cringe tip culture will finally make blizzard make a key system that's not omega cringe

[patent mirage]

" tip to enter dungeon "

[hardy thicket]

also they are kinda just like roleplaying the current tier

cant blame em

[red zinc]

The tip thing is slowly getting worse though

[patent mirage]

wow is an american game after all

[red zinc]

People aint mass reporting enough

[patent mirage]

[red zinc]

just log in, search “tip” in group finder and report each group that comes up

[hardy thicket]

u know whats shit

this hearty food thingy

give me back pocket

[desert tendon]

zac

have u ever seen this post

kinda old by now

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/killing-spree-fix-concept/2088489/119

[patent mirage]

we had it too good in df with the food embelishment

[vivid vessel]

ye goated post

[vivid vessel]

food embel and the rune thing

they dont make cool things anymore

[desert tendon]

i figured out you would already know about it

[vivid vessel]

[patent mirage]

tbh

[hardy thicket]

rune thing is coming s3 prolly no

[patent mirage]

embelishments should be items you just "enchant " onto items

not just crafted items

[pastel heath]

whats broken on KS?

[patent mirage]

what isnt

[pastel heath]

yea sick answer lmao

[patent mirage]

lmao

[opal cosmos]

KIR build from the FAQ in m+ is ok to play?

[hasty warren]

KS

[opal cosmos]

!ambush

[ornate heath]

It is possible to use a macro to cast Ambush during Stealth/Audacity and Sinister Strike otherwise, instead of using the stealth bar:
/cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, bonusbar:1] Ambush ; Sinister Strike
*This is most useful to swap between HO and KIR builds without changing keybinds.
Stance swap delay is, for now, not an issue since we don't want to cast vanish into ambush anymore.

[opal cosmos]

Guys How this macro will help ?
#showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Capo's Molten Knuckles

Since i dont got any big gear raidbot says i should use Capo in MH and Cudgel in OH

For my OH alternative got a 681 dagger or the HC fist wep from cauldron 2nd boss

[hasty warren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hYEYWAhqxn2FkaFnJqQUH1 crafting a ring is by best choice here no ?

idk if vers/crit is better but I assume I have enough haste

[opal cosmos]

Is it ok to use ADR after vanish to get a insta CP and use BtE