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#outlaw
agile orchid
steady coyote
red zinc
@vivid vessel thoughts on this pull after motherlode first boss?
was so good we tried it twice!
red zinc
some monk tank just did it twice
vivid vessel
Don't think they even do that in mdis
vivid vessel
Xd
red zinc
and then called us delulu for flaming hihm
digital linden
delulu is crazy work
vivid vessel
and then called us delulu for flaming hihm
@fallen knot let me tank his 12 brew and deplete first pack 6 times in a row
latent oak
said mb the first time and pulled the same exact thing again
actual chad behaviour
vivid vessel
And he didn't even flame me once
vivid vessel
No I didn't
red zinc
maybe i shouldve given this guy a few more chances!
rotund zodiac
@runic bough gg 
runic bough
<@491063946007150603> gg <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
i want re-battle later
BF fell off
at some point
I SWEAR
KS IS KILLING MY ADR
SO TILTING
gg nice dps battle
fallen knot
digital linden
u use it on cd?
vivid vessel
Ye kinda
proven ocean
Ima run some balls in ur ass
livid pewter
anyone knows, if when u hit the mines in ML with cloak (make them trigger) do u get count or not?
proven ocean
Ima run some balls in ur ass
Sry my intrusive thoughts kicked in
runic bough
quaint wharf
runic bough
I CANT USE THAT WAVE EMOJI
quaint wharf
why not
runic bough
i dont have moving emojis
quaint wharf
random stirrup
azure stirrup
only went up be 10 vers
Literally calculable
late swallow
Ryu you can check in top gear exactly how much your stats would change by
late swallow
Tru just send the craft
storm drum
guys is it HO in raid and KiR in keys?
I cant tell the difference in my low 13 keys if HO or kIR does more dmg but KiR feels better
glass mortar
they r similar
can play the one u want
kir tends to be harder to pull off st which is why most dont bother with it in raid
covert kestrel
Deft my beloved
cedar kernel
Ryukage king
wait what time is it now
holy its 3:35 time to bed
have a nice day brothers
runic bough
bf falling off is really pissing me off
worldly shale
bf falling off is really pissing me off
play kir, never falls off
void sleet
considering you use finishers with 5 CP on subterfuge but if you have supercharger that means you can do Between the Eyes at 3 CP (+2 from supercharger) or you still do BtE at 5CP no matter if you have or not supercharger
glass mortar
supercharger is not considered in finisher rules
u can erase it from ur mind
u dont play around it at all as trickster
void sleet
not 9?
glass mortar
its +3
gaunt phoenix
the capstone talent makes it +3
glass mortar
because of the final talent on the line u take
void sleet
oh damn, that's great, thank you guys
runic bough
how much more cp do u guys notice 1 fh vs 2 fh a
im going to test kir trickster again i guess
tired of bf falling off
lets see if its up more
worldly shale
lets see if its up more
it should be 100% tbh (out of st bosses)
as its ur cp builder
void sleet
also you don't BF on ST and the rotation is exactly the same on ST/AOE except BF right?
worldly shale
even on other builds it should be 100%, but here u dont have to think about it
or get a WA
gaunt phoenix
also you don't BF on ST and the rotation is exactly the same on ST/AOE except BF...
yep
frail veldt
how much more cp do u guys notice 1 fh vs 2 fh a
It's less cp
Bf will never fall as trickster KiR
Unless you royally fuck up
Or maybe in st technically you could let it fall but it would be correct to do so
hollow portal
I have a question, I understand that the Cudgel is for AOE, okay, but for example, how many ADDs is it better for? The first top boss, which is 3, is it better to use a normal weapon or a Cudgel?
gaunt phoenix
its not worth on any boss because vanish doesnt reset the proc on bosses
hollow portal
ty
astral wind
Guys how many KS "moments" am I allowed in a key before I legally have to go back to assa?
late swallow
If zac hadn’t looked into it, how long would it have taken blizz to figure out the dead targets thing
Kind of embarrassing that such a big bug was in the game for so long
fathom bramble
Vod+log just made it so much easier to tell what was going on
patent mirage
blizz is like untangling the spaghoot code
proven ocean
fathom bramble
I think if we had noticed bf definitively missing targets in a log earlier instead of just hunches it would have been solved in df
But everyone was checking the starts of pulls before any corpses existed
novel socket
are we sure the bug was in df ?
fathom bramble
Yes
novel socket
because df s3 had that plant dungeon
where huge pulls happened
and it was missed there
hmm
fathom bramble
Could be meaningful to double check some old df logs
But it has had the allow dead target thing since mists
It just never mattered until we were target capped and doing content with a lot of extra corpses
Low hp garbage mobs like in arakara or the yellow mobs at the start of brew made it very impactful
novel socket
so instead of a bug it was more of an oversight ?
cinder relic
novel socket
they forgot to turn it off from targetting corpses when they capped us
because pre cap it was irrelevant
hybrid crown
I wonder - does the aoe reduction in top maybe have some jank to it, where it doesn't affect more recent aoe spells
fathom bramble
Yes
hybrid crown
Sometimes I see classes absolutely blast on that pack
fathom bramble
A ton of aoe in the game is missing aoe flags
hybrid crown
And it feels real bad
fathom bramble
And it lets some specs mega cheese those
hybrid crown
Like some it's like okay fair that's how your class works
But like evokers do crazy dmg
patent mirage
the real bug is the cap
fathom bramble
But then you have things like trick shots not being aoe
hybrid crown
I mean that commander pack that does the aoe reduction
I haven't seen a single DK MC that pack
I would do that on my DK back in sl
fathom bramble
Commander is immune now
novel socket
they changed things from the last time the dung was in m+
i remember first day people would skip the first commander and then when the duel happened that thing chased us all the way to the boss room
tank was very surprised
novel socket
runic bough
thats helps so much
HO
KIR
well
both low
but way better on first test
another bug possible is Ambush not giving cp's
I feel like ambush is useless sometimes after it hits
no cps
useless
digital linden
Kind of embarrassing that such a big bug was in the game for so long
there are probably bigger bugs in the game longer than the dead targets one xd
storm drum
tiemd another 12
keep grinding my boy
runic bough
play HO and tell me how much bf u have
vivid vessel
100%
You are looking at an overall with bossee
Which you will obviously lose bf
On st bosses
runic bough
also zac try testing ambush i think its bugged
vivid vessel
You have 100% uptime on bf in AOE
runic bough
sometimes does nothing on cast ambush
hybrid crown
I was looking at logs for a key I did and I cast bf twice in the whole key lol
fathom bramble
sometimes does nothing on cast ambush
Can you be more specific?
runic bough
I will cast ambush and i only get 2 cp thats wrong
random stirrup
maybe its bugged
he literally would rather it stay bugged so ho is bad
runic bough
it varies
random stirrup
even if it were bugged
fathom bramble
Are you missing the talent for 1cp
runic bough
Are you missing the talent for 1cp
no i have imp ambush
it would still not give the cp
at times
possible mobs are parry ambush i donno
runic bough
well its happen enough for me to notice no cps on my ambushes
fathom bramble
Do you have a log?
runic bough
usually when ambush works u get full cp
fluid meadow
bruh change the cpm on these two
runic bough
often times ambush not fill cp
random stirrup
fathom bramble
Is this a bit
random stirrup
fathom bramble
Are you just complaining about opp procs
fathom bramble
Ambush only generates enough cp to fill your bar when you get an opp proc ?
fluid meadow
ambush no cp if u press ss
random stirrup
vapid sundial
runic bough
i need to upload the log for today
btw guys timed another 12
@fathom bramble
Here are 3 HO keys u can look at if u want
austere socket
am I dumb or do you not use slice in dice? i dont see it in the rotation on the wow head guide
pliant wind
its automatic with dispatch now
tropic geode
How many targets are needed for Cudgel to pull ahead of HC Capo? I've tried 1 3 5 target cleave 5 min sims (looking at 1st boss ToP as an example) In Dungeon slice it pulls ahead overall
while on the patchwerk 5 target it stays firmly behind
fathom bramble
Cudgel needs to be able to reset with vanish to be good
This doesn’t happen on any of the 1/3/5 patchwerk sims or bosses in dungeons
That being said I don’t have a good answer for how many targets is good, but it will be better on every realistic dungeon pack anyway
tropic geode
so the patchwerk sims doesnt take vanish into consideration, or does the cudgel not reset on bosses even with vanish?
fathom bramble
It does not reset on bosses with vanish
tropic geode
ah right, then its never a question regardless of number of bosses and adds
hasty warren
gg man
gaunt phoenix
last I looked cudgel should win at 3 target packs
at 2 targets you could still use capo
red zinc
myth i assume you mean then
random stirrup
pretty sure im beating my 683 sub's numbers in these keys as a rat outlaw
void canopy
what is the best main hand then? if capo is the offhand?
gaunt phoenix
myth i assume you mean then
heroic
To sim patchwerk as non-boss targets you can declare it a dungeonroute
single_actor_batch=0
max_time=300
enemy="Patchwerk 3"
raid_events+=/pull,pull=01,bloodlust=1,delay=000,enemies="Patchwerk_1":9999999999:Humanoid|"Patchwerk_2":9999999999:Humanoid|"Patchwerk_3":9999999999:Humanoid```crafted or some mythic weapon
astral wind
Did someone here say there was a macro to swap off-hand between Cudgel and a good ilvl weap for bosses?
gaunt phoenix
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Capo's Molten Knuckles```change the name if it's not a capo
gaunt phoenix
ya
gaunt phoenix
yeah
frail veldt
Huh good to know
runic bough
hey i dont remember
do we use capo and cudgel in aoe
or crafted and cudgel
and just switch cudgel and capo for bosses
steady crane
Stupid question but i don't find an answer. What diff are between kir and ho ? Kir got more 6 buff and ho is about rng ? Kir is really harder ?
random stirrup
!kir
ornate heathBOT
KIR build compared to 
HO:
- doesn't use ambush, uses the same builder priority inside and outside of stealth
- is more cp efficient with pistol shot usage (see faq)
- use the new Supercharger talent which impact rtb rules (see faq)
- has to use KIR itself as soon as you hit 4 buffs from RTB/CTO
- has an additional reroll logic after pressing KIR (see faq)
- is more punishing if you mess up builder priority at a given moment
- require more haste (!haste) due to not taking tak'em talent
random stirrup
command is a bit out of date since both use supercharger now
runic bough
well for me, I noticed bf falling off a lot more with HO and thats a big dmg loss for me. I just switch to kir again.
frail veldt
Stupid question but i don't find an answer. What diff are between kir and ho ? K...
The rng difference is not as large as people say
The main difference is difficulty
alpine thicket
HO overall in +9
frail veldt
KiR is significantly harder and more punishing than ho
For not much more DPS if any at all
alpine thicket
Idk how u have 64%
alpine thicket
HO can feel awful when u get bad rng on rtb rolls
runic bough
Idk how u have 64%
for real
frail veldt
Same with KiR
frail veldt
Bad rolls hurt both specs
runic bough
i donno HO doesnt like me
frail veldt
Eh not really
runic bough
I play kir and i dont have bf problems
alpine thicket
u can carry that 5roll
frail veldt
If you get no CTO and only 2 rolls you can't do anything
You can look at sims the variance isn't that much different between the two specs
Ho has a lot that makes up for bad rolls cuz it's baseline performance is a lot higher than KiR
alpine thicket
i need to compare all buffs uptime overall in HO vs KiR
frail veldt
It recovers from dropped adr and has more baseline cp gen esp in st
random stirrup
If you get no CTO and only 2 rolls you can't do anything
i've been playing an LD variant of the kir trickster build on my alt before I get tier and it's not bad
runic bough
also depend on playstyle
vivid vessel
<@101843879791177728>
Here are 3 HO keys u can look at if u want
https://www....
Ryuk
Are you trolling
random stirrup
pretty rare that you fail to press kir even without the extra ss procs from fatebound like last season
steady crane
KiR is significantly harder and more punishing than ho
Ho is still hard no..?
steady crane
You don't have ambush bound
Ambush bound ?
runic bough
its supposed to be automatic
random stirrup
it is def not automatic
vivid vessel
Not in subterfuge
runic bough
wtf
vivid vessel
Most efficient crackshot window
random stirrup
red zinc
Chat is he cooked
fluid meadow
i sent above 5 ss in crackshot 
alpine thicket
Only audacity ambush changes ur sinister
random stirrup
red zinc
so brave looking in those logs
vivid vessel
How do you just have entire windows
red zinc
I could never
vivid vessel
Where you dony press a single button right
vivid vessel
Like you didny bte once here, just SS SS rtb bf ss
You had cps
You forgot to spend them
runic bough
vivid vessel
You are also playing ho
fluid meadow
war stomp for downtime when no energy
vivid vessel
Right
And you are breaking stealth with bf
Like how do you have so many windows like these
late swallow
This is crazy
vivid vessel
Where you don't cast a single bte
frail veldt
Ho is still hard no..?
Difficulty is relative
So as an absolute I can't say ho is "easy" or "hard"
late swallow
I didn’t know it was this dire ngl
frail veldt
But in a relative sense you can definitely say KiR is harder than HO
alpine thicket
Type of log where the 1 button rotation would prly be dps upgrade 
frail veldt
Is ho hard compared to something like ret? Sure
red zinc
the mewictionary is back
frail veldt
the mewictionary is back
Semantics matter man lol
jovial socket
lmao
runic bough
yeah becuase i have energy issues
fluid meadow
ryus log is like a bingo table, he has everything
red zinc
it gave him a mil more dps though zac
alpine thicket
haste %?
frail veldt
Energy issues result from incorrect globals usually
red zinc
(Totally didnt go from workshop to psf)
runic bough
ok so it was just not having ambush extra button
welp
im cooked then
i just used everything and stopped following the rules
energy was terrible
vivid vessel
yeah becuase i have energy issues
How does that help with energy tho
You are trucking your crackshot windows
late swallow
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red zinc
Having energy issues? Use promo code RYUKAGE to get 15% off your next order of B...
Ill chew till yours is blue type shit
runic bough
it was a good time maybe
runic bough
frail veldt
Zac hitting Ryu with the reality check of the century
vivid vessel
You also chill between gcds a lot
red zinc
hes just reading a book let him be
brave lagoon
my man playtesting the 1 button rotation extra gcd before every one of us
runic bough
yo
random stirrup
I mean downtime between gcds could easily be lack of energy due to earlier mistakes
runic bough
im fine with being roasted if its for the betterment of outlaw
where does it say to bind ambush in the guide
vivid vessel
Hm
red zinc
alpine thicket
runic bough
frail veldt
where does it say to bind ambush in the guide
Brother what
Do you want the guide to also tell you to bind movement?
vivid vessel
runic bough
runic bough
WHERE DOES IT SAY TO BIND AMBUSH SPECIFICALLY
frail veldt
BROTHER IT DOESNT SAY TO BIND ANYTHING
red zinc
ryu is the reason there is a "do not eat" sticker on the tide pod box
runic bough
alpine thicket
Brother clicks his def cds bet
runic bough
im pretty sure a lot of outlaws are suffering the same as me thinking audacity is all they needed.
frail veldt
Or press stealth between packs
hybrid crown
It's because you changed your discord color to red
fluid meadow
wait, u put abilities to action bar? not playing from spellbook?
vivid vessel
I do not want to ask why you had to press bf in subterfuge here or at all even
Especially since ADR was up
vivid vessel
Ok
frail veldt
Why would you press bf though
vivid vessel
Make sense
alpine thicket
dw blizzard got u next patch
alpine thicket
1 button all day
vivid vessel
Ryuk you know bf cannot fall off
With ADR up
So if I see you casting bf after ADR
Something went wrong
I do not have the time to check more in details butn
Something went wrong before
No it's not 1 cp dispatch
It's crackshot
Noob!
frail veldt
Still
late swallow
Seeing my king getting exposed like this hurts
vivid vessel
Seeing my king getting exposed like this hurts
He sent log
He asked
- I'm supposed to be working rn
So
vivid vessel
I had to find an excuse to not work
runic bough
ok
red zinc
like whats going on
frail veldt
Seeing my king getting exposed like this hurts
Brought it up on himself
late swallow
Zac and ryu podcast when?
vivid vessel
Podcady
alpine thicket
runic bough
AMBUSH IS NOT BUGGED, IT JUST WASNTED BINDED GUYS. FALSE ALARM. RYU WAS COOKED
alpine thicket
Preatty much there
red zinc
that doesnt work
vivid vessel
Wanna be my podcast daddy somnius
red zinc
can i be the fat guy that screams random shit sometimes
late swallow
can i be the fat guy that screams random shit sometimes
The cumtown podcast but it’s wow
You’re stavros
red zinc
wowanalyzer so outdated
vivid vessel
I will have to check
steady crane
Thx for the answers. I think i'll try kir a bit too. After all everything can be learn
vivid vessel
Idk
alpine thicket
Ya its not completely worthless now
red zinc
who is vollmer
alpine thicket
red zinc
@jaunty plank this u?
vivid vessel
I mean it's mostly from the base of what I did back then but
Some stuffs are new
He updated the apl and shit
gaunt phoenix
love that
frail veldt
Run your own log through it
red zinc
aug/dev apl person doing outlaw is an intruiging jump though
frail veldt
See what it says haha
red zinc
but if its good its good
alpine thicket
Not perfect but usable
red zinc
big up that guy
vivid vessel
Ye I like
late swallow
aug/dev apl person doing outlaw is an intruiging jump though
Aug and outlaw have a rrly similar playlist
vivid vessel
It's good
@gaunt phoenix will have to look a bit more into it but
It's looking decent from scrolling
Quickly
runic bough
ok there
vivid vessel
Mostly the apl checker that is useful imo for outlaw anyway
runic bough
we have ambush bind now guys
vivid vessel
And he updated that kinda good
It's a bit messy I think
But it works well
Ye gg ryuk
dreamy pecan
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
steady crane
Killing spree was not an invulnerabilty before ?
Because it feel strange to play around
brave lagoon
wasn't it a 95% dmg reduction or someshit during DF
But yeah it takes a while to get used to
and I still get cucked often
late swallow
Full invuln would be op
jolly geyser
Ks solo soaking
vivid vessel
I mean
What we have rn is similar
Doesn't matter that much
95% dr is probably better in general
What we have rn is probably better for the extreme cases
jovial socket
lmao ryu
runic bough
heartbreaking
lime lake
runic bough
well
shit
so Im using sinister bind when ambush is glowing
and then during stealth windows im using ambush bind
gaunt phoenix
<@921608341048930304> will have to look a bit more into it but
yea, surprised they didnt approach us
maybe its still wip
chilly atlas
you dont press ss in stealth window when you get procs?
runic bough
shit
I have been ruining all my stealth windows with no ambush bind
NO WONDER
zac the best roaster and teacher
ty zac
fluid meadow
bros opener, bf on cd, no sc charge, that's how bf not up for the dungeon too
runic bough
i need to put ambush on a easier bind
gaunt phoenix
!ambush
ornate heathBOT
It is possible to use a macro to cast Ambush during Stealth/Audacity and Sinister Strike otherwise, instead of using the stealth bar:
/cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, bonusbar:1] Ambush ; Sinister Strike
*This is most useful to swap between HO and KIR builds without changing keybinds.
Stance swap delay is, for now, not an issue since we don't want to cast vanish into ambush anymore.
runic bough
IVE BEEN MISSING THE MACRO
not the bind
ok that makes it way easier to press now
yeah i had the macro made already, I wonder what happened
vivid vessel
Put it in stealth bar
runic bough
ye
gaunt phoenix
i miss when trinkets did damage
steady crane
yeah i had the macro made already, I wonder what happened
What's the point ?
frank finch
we can use wowanalzer now?
runic bough
What's the point ?
so you use ambush during stealth windows
gaunt phoenix
someone is working on it, can try it
radiant fiber
i miss when trinkets did damage
I have myth track junkmaestro snd still didn’t spend my dinars as idk if I should buy pacemaker or geargrinder. What do you think?
runic bough
What's the point ?
there are 2 reasons to use ambush, during stealth windows and audacity procs. sinister strike only turns to ambush during audacity proc but NOT for stealth windows apparently. This macro solves the need for another bind for ambush.
gaunt phoenix
the macro is just an alternative to replacing SS with ambush on your stealth bar
gaunt phoenix
I have myth track junkmaestro snd still didn’t spend my dinars as idk if I shoul...
you dont need to buy a capo?
radiant fiber
I don’t have that boss killed and I think I never will
runic bough
!capo
gaunt phoenix
heroic one is still pretty good
stray star
Will we have one of those?
gaunt phoenix
ya
steady crane
there are 2 reasons to use ambush, during stealth windows and audacity procs. si...
In stealth you got another bar ? Why not use the same bind than sinister ?
gaunt phoenix
the only reason is 1. if you dont use a stealth bar or 2. you swap between HO and KIR and dont want to change keybinds each time
runic bough
ok so
we have the ambush macro now
and weapon swap macro
lets see how it goes
macro doesnt work
radiant fiber
heroic one is still pretty good
Can you show how much dmg capo does?
gaunt phoenix
Can you show how much dmg capo does?
i cant cuz i weapon swap between them
Use raidbots
radiant fiber
Weapon swap for the new mace?
runic bough
use mace on aoe
gaunt phoenix
ya
runic bough
weapon swap for bosses
gaunt phoenix
mace on trash capo on bosses
steady crane
the only reason is 1. if you dont use a stealth bar or 2. you swap between HO an...
Yeah indeed. Embush is not used at all on kir?
gaunt phoenix
ya kir doesnt ambush
valid kindle
is it only the gally weapon that can't be swapped in combat?
gaunt phoenix
ya
valid kindle
weird that cappo isn't counted for that restriction but neat
runic bough
im using the capo orignal look
and mog with the mace
so i can tell which one is on
runic bough
gaunt phoenix
change it to load in keys only xd
runic bough
ill look into it
gaunt phoenix
No you can literally change your weapons in keys
outlaw swaps between the nightfall mace for trash and a better offhand for bosses (like Capo)
gaunt phoenix
it's not mine
steady crane
outlaw swaps between the nightfall mace for trash and a better offhand for bosse...
Ohhh ok. Interesting
steady crane
But useless because i got none of them
sharp sand
What mace are you referring to for trash?
sharp sand
mace on trash capo on bosses
?
vivid vessel
?
stray star
?
sharp sand
Idk. I have Capo offhand. Wondering what everyone is referring to for another offhand is better for trash
vivid vessel
keen belfry
@vivid vessel is enhance op
sharp sand
What is cudgel in the pins?
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> is enhance op
I think so
sharp sand
That’s not even an item name.
keen belfry
I think so
im doing too much dmg at my ilvl and 2pc 2pc
keen belfry
cudgel in the pins
sharp sand
Now I have to find these pins.
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> is enhance op
From what I have seen
It does
Dk DPS
I think it's back to good
keen belfry
i did like 1.98mil to candle boss on a 12
at 652 man
2pc 2pc
i would beat my rogue on that pull
stuck sparrow
thought enh wanted 4p
sharp sand
Why do you need an ambush key bind if sinister strike switches automatically when procs occur
vivid vessel
Have you ever pushed keys awang
keen belfry
"enahcnt cloak noob" no
vivid vessel
Why do you need an ambush key bind if sinister strike switches automatically whe...
It doesn't in subterfuge
keen belfry
Have you ever pushed keys awang
i normally reach the pug limit, then mental boom in LFG simulator and play diff game
desert tendon
Have you ever pushed keys awang
sharp sand
I think my stealth bar just has ambush in place of sinister strike, same position.
keen belfry
S3 DF i was mostly 28s
desert tendon
limit is the sky baby
keen belfry
there arent 17s listed
vivid vessel
Ah ye you are na
desert tendon
you re Na right?
desert tendon
Na pug stops at 12's
vivid vessel
Mb cuh
desert tendon
zac
keen belfry
it will be nothing
desert tendon
thought on next rwf
with echo dead
method reforming
zaelia coming back to the game
stuck sparrow
Why did echo die again
radiant fiber
Zac start your stream. I have no1 to watch to
stray star
it will be nothing
Thx god im not alone
red zinc
gaunt phoenix
vapid sundial
The people who do this get an Instant block from me
Shit was so annoying when I was doing title push
steady crane
That's boosting ?
vapid sundial
Don't think so
People post incorrect numbers in their shit so it gets picked up in your filter
steady crane
I don't get the 15 18 21 thing
vapid sundial
If you're searching for a 18 and they put
17 you'll see it.
steady crane
Oooooooh
vapid sundial
Even if the listing is +12
steady crane
That's stupid ahahaha
vapid sundial
Your filter always shows 1 below and above what you search
steady crane
Yep .. but well... It's stupid af. I don't get the point. Nobody will say "i need a +16 let's go on a +12"
vapid sundial
Yes hence why it's super annoying.
steady crane
And 680 ilvl..
valid kindle
I report them for advertisement, idk if it does anything but yeah
valid kindle
what even is the thought process, "ah yes people looking for an 18 will surely join my 12 if they see it pop up"
vapid sundial
Delusional people
steady crane
And thè ilvl... I mean ok don't pick low ilvl but overgear is some knowledge issue lot of time
vapid sundial
I had a friend last season at 600 tanking better than some people at 620
People suck
stiff pelican
guys, there's no priority recommandations in the FAQ for the puzzling cartel chip gears to buy ?
steady crane
I had a friend last season at 600 tanking better than some people at 620
I tank +10 last season with some green stuff
vapid sundial
He had some green gear on too ye
stiff pelican
basically capo or trinkets
can i use capo as mainhand for now as i don't have better
steady crane
Knowledge is a large part of the m+
stiff pelican
i don't raid, how can i get dinars ?
past sphinx
first pull on ws is so cringe when you get shit rolls
gaunt phoenix
can i use capo as mainhand for now as i don't have better
ya but should craft a mh
stiff pelican
ya but should craft a mh
oh okay ! yeah i am coming back to the game so i didn't know 😄 thank you ^^
gaunt phoenix
boomy
red zinc
what he doin in there
random stirrup
he noob or what
i first timed that spec in a dfc 10 at like 605 ilvl and did 1.2M overall
keen belfry
cuz what am i gonna do
sign up to 17s
maybe i should just list my key
rogue and mage are at resil 16s and havent stepped foot in a 17
sullen surge
quick question, on how many targets does nightfall start being better than capo? was thinking about ToP first boss for example
civic void
quick question, on how many targets does nightfall start being better than capo?...
It's less a question of target count than it is a question of how much you can proc it
And on bosses it's once so it will never be better
tired junco
Hello! I am an elemental Shaman and windwalker monk main , I would like to start playing Rogue but outlaw scares me, I feel that it is a very difficult spec, is it true? Any recommendations?
sullen surge
And on bosses it's once so it will never be better
wdym? nightfall procs everytime u vanish, are talking about capos?
jade gate
is it good to sim dungeon slice?
civic void
wdym? nightfall procs everytime u vanish, are talking about capos?
No it procs everytime you leave combat, you don't on bosses
gaunt phoenix
vanish thing doesnt work on bosses
sullen surge
No it procs everytime you leave combat, you don't on bosses
i mean, it does reset on vanish but bosses dont care about vanish
but got it yeah, ty
hollow temple
Hello! I am an elemental Shaman and windwalker monk main , I would like to start...
its just very fast paced and reaction based, some people perceive that as difficulty, some don't
azure vortex
Hello lads, I am trying to learn outlaw & improve. I would really appreciate it if you can point my mistakes & areas to improve on. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6yqn8VMkYdaPv371?fight=last&type=summary
frail veldt
wowanalyzer tellign me im not pressing rtb enough
Maybe you aren't
frail veldt
Tbh in the sims I found rtb prio can be dropped in the second half of subterfuge window
hollow temple
past falcon
Hello! I am an elemental Shaman and windwalker monk main , I would like to start...
try it out, it takes some time to get a hang of but once you establish some muscle memory it’s very fun
unborn iron
what's a good way to setup stealth bars?
strong cargo
Your filter always shows 1 below and above what you search
you can put "12-12" and it shows only 12s (and 12s in infos ofc) but get rid of 11 and 13s
proven ocean
!log
red zinc
i have a cook to increase outlaw apm even further
not degenerate at all
offgcd cheap shot
final sluice
Prio 15 overall - I"m kinda mad
tranquil cobalt
guys i have a question, i have the Operation floodgate trinket on my rogue, do i take the eye of kezan or the zee's thug trinket ?
frail veldt
offgcd cheap shot
off gcd cp generator is absurd
frail veldt
guys i have a question, i have the Operation floodgate trinket on my rogue, do i...
geargrinders spare keys I think is better than both of those if youre focusing on m+
frail veldt
oh yeah that too
kezan is wonky though
honestly neither of those are great choices
tranquil cobalt
cool thanks guys 😄
unborn iron
Also, do i use ambush at all if i'm a KiR build and not HO?
frail veldt
Also, do i use ambush at all if i'm a KiR build and not HO?
nope
can take ambush off your bars entirely as KiR
unborn iron
Sweet, also is KiR only for when you get tier?
frail veldt
not necessarily
I tihnk HO benefited from tier more than KiR
so if youre asking which build to run prior to getting tier you can still run either
I think in the faq it gives you some details of what to run prior to tier set
but yeah rotationally, our current builds are pretty dependant on tier set power to "feel" good
wintry solar
Didn't this tier enable HO/SC in pve?
fathom bramble
yes
fathom bramble
the changes to sleight as well as the tier allow you to just spam RTB for a 5 buff
which heavily supports SC
proven ocean
Hopelaw main - Popo — 6:31 AM
Maybe HO/SC will still be a thing next season but idk
I doubt it
wintry solar
I did say that
fathom bramble
HO/SC was on my list of things to look out for, but it got slightly overlooked for APL changes
and I think that made us miss it for the first 2? weeks or something
I hope it can stick around next tier somehow
glass mortar
its hard to imagine
random stirrup
In my limited testing sleight alone does not seem like enough to support the play style
You certainly do not roll 5 very often
glass mortar
the 4set does some pretty insane lifting for supercharger/sleight
it gives so much 2 roll chance
the odds r not nearly as nice with just sleight
wintry solar
Maybe we'll have another rtb tier. I doubt we'd have them back to back though
tight egret
Honestly I hope they just roll this tier set into slight and just adjust our damage to compensate.
tight egret
It's so even between KiR and HO
serene gate
tbh just hope some good QoL change on .7
serene gate
It's so even between KiR and HO
to me that's very good, so we can chose which one we want to play
random stirrup
It's so even between KiR and HO
Understood, next tier set buffing sinister strike so KiR takes down HO from the top rope
wintry solar
We don't need to ego stroke kir mains anymore
glass mortar
kir should be better
serene gate
serene gate
seems like a war between HO and KiR 
glass mortar
cause if its that close, for 90% of players ho will be better anyway
modest citrus
Hello. I’m relatively new to WoW. I’ve been playing HO+SC Trickster for raid but I’ve been progging mythic and I’m about to start working on Sprocket in the coming weeks. I see that Fatebound HO is a ~4% dps loss according to the faq and I’m in a casual guild with very slow kill times. My Adrenaline rush often times falls off if I get too many mechanics or bad RtB rng. Will learning KiR increase that consistency and help a lot on Sprocket? I have done my due diligence on priority list and understand the basics well but want to continue to improve. This is my Warcraft logs as of now: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/stormrage/loxmere
Any advice appreciated.
glass mortar
no its just a case of harder builds should probably at least be a little stronger
glass mortar
xd
based
idk next tier is probably etherals
so i expect void themed set bonuses
or maybe arcane? the ethereals are a mix
random stirrup
what if the tierset is ambush focused for all 3 specs
Would have to take cover from the zac crash out
wintry solar
seems like a war between HO and KiR <a:peepoGiggles:961026579000098868>
Idrc, I play both
random stirrup
And mine tbh
fathom bramble
there's alwaya war between ho and kir for some reason
tight egret
I just hate SS spamming. The rest of the spec is fun.
random stirrup
I don’t personally like if HO is better
Having the option is good and even a 1% gain for kir is fine for me
fathom bramble
after they reworked audactiy ho is just basically having no talent
tight egret
I like fishing for rolls but something feels wrong about SS from stealth
fathom bramble
so it's really just a do you like kir or not
serene gate
after they reworked audactiy ho is just basically having no talent
what it was before 🤔 ?
wintry solar
Ambush was usable
tight egret
Meh you get a different animation and some extra combo points but I see your point.
fathom bramble
other than ho gauranteeing that your vanish isn't dogwater
tight egret
Nothing feels worse than just raw SS for 1 combo points after another without getting procs
wintry solar
I misread understood the question nvm
past sphinx
is kir not better in high keys with big pulls?
random stirrup
Nothing feels worse than just raw SS for 1 combo points after another without ge...
This bothers me less than the traditional HO ambush ambush bte subterfuge window ngl
I love the procs kir gets
And pistol shot feels great to press
tight egret
It does
random stirrup
And blade flurry for cp
tight egret
I still play KiR. It's just situational
wintry solar
And pistol shot feels great to press
Honestly I'm envious
shell fossil
ho does better with spotty uptime imo
wintry solar
It all feels too similar for me to care which is better. And everyone always says they're so different. Like sure they're different. But how many more keys and raids do I have to run before I notice how substantial it really is?
shell fossil
but yea they're basically the same except in specific situations like rookery or uh cinderbrew last if u have to wait on the barrel mechanic
random stirrup
Seeing kir 30s away from being up with 4s left on 3 cto buffs and proccing bte 3x into kiring the 6 buff 
glass mortar
chaining multiple KiR uses on the same set of rolls and getting to reroll 2 times per kir cast
serene gate
serene gate
like the sun went out
random stirrup
Our tank omega chained in a cinderbrew today and I rolled 5 into 2x kir into 5 roll into 2x kir without ever leaving combat
Sustained 9M dps for like 3 mins straight at 655 ilvl 
fathom bramble
Meh you get a different animation and some extra combo points but I see your poi...
yeah this is true
it's just not close to before where you had to actually press ambush manually
which resulted in very different gameplay instead of just more CP
nimble burrow
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
wintry solar
I like fishing for rolls but something feels wrong about SS from stealth
Yeah thats part of why I lean more towards HO these days
Just feels weird idk
tight egret
yeah this is true
I preferred the old version, but I get why they did it.
frail veldt
chaining multiple KiR uses on the same set of rolls and getting to reroll 2 time...
Or barely rolling just past the container duration and turning all 6 buffs red lololol hate that
That's the worst
shell fossil
the only thing about hidden opportunity is sometimes you'll go 2/3rd of the dungeon with bad cto/rtbs and then suddenly 5 buff 3-4 times in the last segment
ignore the binding of isaac meme it was for a bit
tribal olive
ornate heathBOT
Outlaw Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/outlaw-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/outlaw-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/outlaw-rogue
wintry solar
Ngl my aud procs are God tier
fathom bramble
I do think audacity and HO should swap palces in the tree
let kir have access to a good generator in stealth please
especially since audactiy is a massive damage loss to take without ho
and it's way higher in the tree...
wintry solar
I accidentally played the HO build without HO once and it was a rather humbling experience
rotund zodiac
wintry solar
Pistol shot proccing ambush but ambush ain't proccing pistol shot
fathom bramble
yeahhh
audacity should also be a flat % that is set reasonably high like 85%
instead of relying on fan to trigger it
rotund zodiac
how about 100% to get audacity when using pistol proc
fathom bramble
right now it's functionally 73% chance without any rtb buff
I would be fine if it was 100% or something around 80 personally
I think it's fine as a chance, but making it simply everytime you consume opp would be fine too
forest ravine
As an absolute troglodyte, are there any in depth video guides for outlaw that are up to date? Reading the ones on method and wowhead rn.
wintry solar
I think it's fine as a chance, but making it simply everytime you consume opp wo...
The reminds of me the dream I had the other day where blizz nerfed CP gen in general to combat excess resources. But they didn't make the changes to outlaw suit the CP gen nerf and it played so bad.
Opp was nerfed, imp ambush was removed, imp adr was removed, and ace was nerfed.
The cp gen from that idea just made me think of it
Luckily its just a dream and can't hurt me irl
They didn't touch fth
Which was odd
shell fossil
ye i think maybe free sinister strikes would be nice for kir i dunno also tells how much i've played kir this season
cause i said bad audacity procs when i was trying to say bad cto/rtb 🙂
wintry solar
That's what you meant though right?
Because I assumed you meant cto procs because the actual aud procs are every other pistol shot
shell fossil
ye but it's bad wording, also you can get any of the dragonflight guides cause nothing related to the basics has really changed since then except bte resetting on stelath
frail veldt
The best thing they could do is shrink the gap between having no energy issues and running out of energy
The worst part of outlaw is running out of energy
wintry solar
Better energy would make it feel not as bad though
I guess it depends on how you look at it
unkempt cypress
They should bring back bfa outlaw just the way it was