outlaw

[random stirrup]

1 is weird

[red zinc]

imagine getting outdps'd by a guy who has 7 keybinded

[hollow temple]

nah yall are cookeddddd

[runic bough]

Bte is 3

[fathom bramble]

Gs is on my mouse

[runic bough]

I used to have bte on shift d and I got carpal tunnel had to change it

[hollow temple]

most cooked statement i've seen all day ngl

[random stirrup]

ive never liked 1

[fathom bramble]

Idk a lot of people put stuff on 1 it’s not that weird

[random stirrup]

even in league I would move zhonya's/bork off 1 to 2/3/4

much better keybinds

[fathom bramble]

But I never liked it for core rotation stuff

[runic bough]

1 is my stun skills

Kidney or cheap

[hollow temple]

idk not using 1 as a prime bind is wild to me

[runic bough]

Stealth is ~

[random stirrup]

2/3/4/5/e/f/g/t/q/e are all nicer to me than 1

[runic bough]

Pinky finger

[hollow temple]

i use everything surrounding WASD but i literally never use anything as far as 5

1,2,3,4,q,e,r,t,f,g,z,x,c,v

[fathom bramble]

I guess vanish is basically a core rotation button at this point

Maybe I do like 1

[hollow temple]

[runic bough]

Vanish is a mouse button for me

[hollow temple]

^same

[vivid vessel]

was this

[random stirrup]

maybe it's my keyboard/hands but 1 is one of the only buttons that requires me to move my whole hand around

[runic bough]

Do u guys macro healthstone and pot? I have separate binds for both

[random stirrup]

or adjust most of it

[vivid vessel]

related to the chinese ret timing 20s suddently

[random stirrup]

2/3 are middle finger, 4/5/e/r/t/f/g are all pointer

1 is also middle but requires moving ring finger off a to make room

idk

[runic bough]

Wouldn't be surprised since they don't have a bug team

They are fixing player found bugs

When it gets lots of fame

High views

Seems to be the only way to fix bugs right now

[hollow temple]

yeah thats 5 for me

[random stirrup]

I can comfortably press 6 but not 1

[buoyant stratus]

triple outlaw in the cinderbrew meadery hehe, this spec is fun

[runic bough]

[hollow temple]

i can reach T/G fine without having to shift or extend far, but 5 is like juuuust at that point where i've never been comfy reaching for it

[buoyant stratus]

i couldnt stop laughing, when at once in our opener all 3 of us pressed killingspree

[hollow temple]

maybe its just based on how we sit our wrists on our desks

and how our arm is positioned etc

[fathom bramble]

yeah probably

I also think it's kind of like keyboard layouts in a way

where the one you are use to will always seem more reasonable

even if there are good and objective reasons for a different setup

it's just instead of there being like 3 there's effectively 100s of them as every player has made their own layout

[random stirrup]

ya keybinds are def all just preference

but some of yall got weird preferences sometimes

[runic bough]

I wanna see lok keyboard using f keys that is mind blowing

[hollow temple]

some people play with their kb almost fully sideways, some play with it completely flat etc

i used to use f keys

[runic bough]

LOK I DONNO HOW YOU USE F KEYS

[hollow temple]

on my old 100% kb

i used f1/2/3

[runic bough]

[hollow temple]

i also used `

[runic bough]

My stealth is that button

[fathom bramble]

f1/2/3 are all comfortably reachable from resting on the wasd keys

[hollow temple]

now i'm on a 60% kb

so i use more modifiers

[fathom bramble]

I've tried modifiers on a few binds and just hated it everytime idk

[random stirrup]

same

[fathom bramble]

I need my F keys and I need my mmo mouse or I just can't play the game

[hollow temple]

thats how i used to be too but now that i'm used to it, it's insane

[runic bough]

Is your hand the size of a giant Lok?

[fathom bramble]

maybe

[hollow temple]

and i've also got an mmo mouse

[vivid vessel]

i hate normal modifiers

[hollow temple]

[vivid vessel]

its awkard to hit 2 buttons at once with the same hand i feel

thats why my alt and ctrl are on mouse

[runic bough]

[hollow temple]

[vivid vessel]

its kinda like having only normal binds

but x3

[runic bough]

Wot

[hollow temple]

fr*nch thinking backwards..

[runic bough]

Alt and ctrl on mouse omg

[vivid vessel]

i mean ?

idk its free

[hollow temple]

i tried that shit

[vivid vessel]

i think its mega op

[past sphinx]

You can’t hit two buttons with one hand ? What

[runic bough]

I would be screwed getting used to that

[hollow temple]

it felt omega awk

[random stirrup]

pressing t (AR) -> shift e (rtb) -> 1 (gs) -> 5 (bte) in opener is kinda hard ngl

[vivid vessel]

doing shift stuffs is awkard

you cant do that while keeping hands on wasd

etc

idk

its not good for me

[random stirrup]

especially if u add tricks/sprint

[vivid vessel]

i have to do weird hand movements

with the modifiers on mouse i dont need to do that

at all

[fathom bramble]

I'm starting to think I don't actually need to press wasd

and I can just do short grapples whenever I need to move

thoughts?

[vivid vessel]

ye

i do that sometimes

lol

[runic bough]

Maybe Zac is living in the future

[fathom bramble]

I do the short grapple for coins all the time on one arm

[runic bough]

[hollow temple]

you only really "need" strafes

ngl

[vivid vessel]

naaah

thats cause you are a fricking pvper man

[hollow temple]

frfr

[fathom bramble]

need backpedal

[hollow temple]

nah

[vivid vessel]

in pve i backpedal all the times

stfu trickz ! ! !

[hollow temple]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[random stirrup]

only noobs backpedal!

[vivid vessel]

no one is blind to your tricks !

[random stirrup]

strafe

[hollow temple]

how dare u fr*nchy

[vivid vessel]

! ! ! ! !

im not even frecnh ? ?

[runic bough]

[vivid vessel]

bro

[fathom bramble]

do you play a tank alt?

[vivid vessel]

i wanna play outlaw so bad

[hollow temple]

[fathom bramble]

I feel like if I tried to strafe I would get the back of my head rended open while tanking

[vivid vessel]

but like without ks

[random stirrup]

occasionally but I recognize it is good for tank

[vivid vessel]

i wish i was free to play a normal spec

[random stirrup]

I have a lot of practice strafing backward from hardcore tho

[vivid vessel]

outlaw is so fun and so good rn

and im addicted to pressing outlaw buttons

and then i die from ks

[hollow temple]

backpedal during ur ks noob

[vivid vessel]

[fathom bramble]

another thing I've noticed lately is that our movement speed is just so insanely high as a baseline

that sometimes I backpedal+strafe just to move more precisely

[frail veldt]

Nah unbinding backpedal iss dumb always

[fathom bramble]

a short distance

casual 165% movement speed without pressing sprint

[runic bough]

I only backpedal on tank class

[hollow temple]

not if ur good

[stiff pelican]

heya guys, what the link for best builds ?

[runic bough]

#outlaw-faq

[past sphinx]

Ahh another week of hotfixes, no KS changes

[frail veldt]

Nah it just means you suck at using modifiers

[hollow temple]

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[runic bough]

You guys should try s for kick

[hollow temple]

literally what??????????

[runic bough]

Insta kick

[vivid vessel]

modifiers on mouse and you cant suck at using modifiers !

FR FR

[hollow temple]

i'm the one talking about how i use modifiers meowth

what are u on about

[lime lake]

yeah wtf meowth

[vivid vessel]

thats the pokemon

[frail veldt]

Then why you unbind movement

[frank finch]

bro called u meowth

[frail veldt]

Just lowering functionality with no gain

[hollow temple]

because i don't need it

[frank finch]

LOL

[vivid vessel]

needs more binds for mounts

he has every mounts in the game bound

[frail veldt]

No reason to unbind it

[runic bough]

Trickz is having a mental breakdown guys lets all give him some space everyone calm down

[hollow temple]

running is faster

[vivid vessel]

Trickz is having a mental breakdown guys lets all give him some space everyone calm down

[random stirrup]

trickz is right

[hollow temple]

nah its all jokes

[runic bough]

[vivid vessel]

i will run you over

[hollow temple]

[vivid vessel]

bro ttrirkzk

[fathom bramble]

what if running is too fast

[vivid vessel]

have you been playing some outlaw

or what

[frail veldt]

I only move with auto run

[hollow temple]

wtf is that?

[frail veldt]

Don't have any movement bound

[hollow temple]

"ttrirkzk"

[runic bough]

Strafing is so nice on fights like rik where you have to dodge moving swirlies

[vivid vessel]

outlaw ?

a spec cuh

[frail veldt]

I just turn auto run on and off

[vivid vessel]

answer now

[runic bough]

Wtf hax

[fathom bramble]

what keybind is your auto run on?

[hollow temple]

i haven't logged in for over a week now i think

[frail veldt]

I type /toggle autorun

[vivid vessel]

nice

[hollow temple]

[vivid vessel]

gamer move

[vivid vessel]

wtf

why

[hollow temple]

too boring

[runic bough]

What you type during rotation

[vivid vessel]

you can be 684 ilvl now rickzer

[runic bough]

[vivid vessel]

its high

big numba

[fathom bramble]

684 is basically impossible

[hollow temple]

the number isn't going anywhere

it'll still be there when i get back

[vivid vessel]

im .25 rn i think

[fathom bramble]

are there even any 684 bracers that beat crafted? @vivid vessel

[vivid vessel]

i have a guy in my guild tho

that is 684

but i guess thats just padding

not playing with embels

[fathom bramble]

I more meant impossible for us

[vivid vessel]

yeye

[fathom bramble]

like I need such specific items to replace crafted stuff

[vivid vessel]

crit haste ones

are ok

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vivid vessel]

high crit

[fathom bramble]

hmm

would need good vers on other slots

[vivid vessel]

sim is using them

[fathom bramble]

everything just hingees on the roulette wheel I swear

without some good rng this is as high as I go

[vivid vessel]

LOW

[fathom bramble]

nothing I can do about it

[vivid vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/89ZVrvtixVyV9FCFpmKrej

[fathom bramble]

I need a vers roulette wheel to take any of the weird higher crit items on other slots

[wintry solar]

Holy shoulders

[vivid vessel]

683.25

im hoping to get a back

and maybe the wrists

from raid

to just get more ilvl

[fathom bramble]

have you considered catalyzing the belt?

[vivid vessel]

yep

its not worth at m

[fathom bramble]

interesting

too much crit I guess

[vivid vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aVc6jQwNqav2iGxFjLSAda my theorical bis does cata it tho

but even then its neutral

so

[fathom bramble]

less vers so you take more damage

neutral dps just means it's worsd

[vivid vessel]

ye

but ye

i mean hopefully i can get trashmaster in vault

just for the fun

i like vers

its cool

[vivid vessel]

i think this would be .5 or . 75 ?

something like that

but ye impossible to get higher anyway

with 2 crafted

[runic bough]

Gold MOG is kinda banger

[fathom bramble]

6 total ilvls short and there's 16 slots

so 0.625

[vivid vessel]

huge

[fathom bramble]

I guess thanks to embellishments you never actually go 684

[vivid vessel]

ye

[fathom bramble]

683.625 is effectively the max ilvl

[vivid vessel]

well outlaw also has no neck and ring so

even if you would drop embels

[fathom bramble]

true

[vivid vessel]

second guy is guildmate

padding ilvl tho fr

its crazy how good crafted items are actually when you think about it

only 3 ilvl under max

[glass mortar]

i feel this in my bones

i dont know any other spec in the game

i nearly die on just running too much

like outlaw

every ledge

[runic bough]

No

That is only with scroll trinket

[glass mortar]

god uneven terrain is terrifying

[runic bough]

[glass mortar]

you might hit a tiny pebble while strafe spamming

with sprint up

and fly 20 yards

terrifying

(you grapple back in 0.2s) but if ur up against a cliff

[runic bough]

I only did that with scroll trinket

[glass mortar]

i do that shit all the time

especially in delves

the underwater delve

i have died more times to just flying off the edge while i was fighting then i have to mobs

probably 5 times this expac at least

[lime lake]

there is one air bubble that i had to stop going to because i would fly off the edge every time

[runic bough]

Oh I've died from that too in the water delve

[glass mortar]

YES

THE ONE IN THE CORNER

BEYOND THE ROCKS

[lime lake]

ye lmao

[glass mortar]

I DIED 3 TIMES TRYING TO GET IT

I WAS JUST RAGEDYING

i refused to finish the delve until i got it

[runic bough]

That one killed me too I think

BEWARE OF THE AIR BUBBLE NEAR THE LEDGE

https://tenor.com/view/alert-siren-warning-light-gif-15160785

[fathom bramble]

this one got me so many times

you actually have to slow walk up to it or grapple on top of it

legitimately too much speed

[runic bough]

I remember playing undead

No need to get air bubbles

But just for the water delve, blizzard doesn't make water content to use undead like that so I reroll race.

I was thinking of race changing again but remember Tauren have 3 good racials

And other races only has 1 good racial

Crit dmg, extra stamina, deft for herbing.

And aoe stun

4 good racials

[fathom bramble]

would be nice if racials didn't have this kind of impact

I want a cosmetic/theme choice not being stuck on tauren/dwarf

[vivid vessel]

Ye..

One of my biggest dream is to just be blood elf man

Let me be free

And to transmog double sword also

I finally have 2 swords equipped lok

And I'm so happy lol

[fathom bramble]

I've just been using the artifact weapon basically perma since legion

I barely notice the dagger transmog issue

but yeah

we should be able to just transmog into whatever weapon we want

[vivid vessel]

I mean same

But you get tired of it

Sometimes I like to change

[fathom bramble]

fair

sometimes I go for a change and just idk

I don't like any of the other weapons

I am using the new nunchucks though

on my alt

[runic bough]

I'm using BC s3 pvp swords atm

The red ones connected by light at the hilt

[fathom bramble]

nunchucks with primal mastery are kind of neat in motion at least

kind of just threw them on this mog with no matching though

[runic bough]

Red matches

Looks fine

[old badger]

i need 1 sword 1 dagger so i can actually see how often i forget to weapon swap to the OH mace

[runic bough]

Tauren is the shit MOG race tho

Nothing looks good really

[fathom bramble]

tauren relies so much on the shoulders looking good

and nothing else really matters

[old badger]

tauren look bad in masks which like why even play rogue

[fathom bramble]

eyepatch

[river forum]

With KIR build do you press blade furry whenever its up since it's up a a lot?

[runic bough]

Yeah Tauren have long neck facing forward make all head gear looks bad

[runic bough]

Press bf for cp if in aoe

Use as builder

[old badger]

idk i’m playing nelf so i don’t need to spend vanishes to ignore mechanics

also i like how they yell when u press AR

[runic bough]

Have u seen Illidan blindfold on Tauren it goes up over the neck and then straight to the eyes like an L looks so bad

[fathom bramble]

yeah

I never liked the blindfold anyway

[runic bough]

Anything neck on Tauren goes over the head instead of stopping at the chest and neck

[old badger]

fem tauren is not as bad as male tauren right?

[runic bough]

Its a bit smaller but same MOG situation

[deep cedar]

whats the weakaura for Tott called?

[strong cargo]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[strong cargo]

auto misdirect

[red zinc]

!tott

[ornate heath]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[manic kestrel]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[frail veldt]

Better than every short race

[runic bough]

Mecha gnome would be cool if mecha was universal

Tauren with mecha arm hmmm

[glass mortar]

@gaunt phoenix do u know if the item creation bug in raidbots is just random or is it equally applying to all items

if im trying to sim crafting an upgrade on an alt

[unborn grotto]

our best aoe trinkets are magnet/geargrinder keys?
and for ST is Magnet/mugzee?

[tight kernel]

Are sims out of corruption yet?

[hollow temple]

They’re all similar

Pretty sure wowhead guide will have the best one posted before they come out

[runic bough]

Yes guides already have best fake corruption

[lime lake]

options to sim corruptions are also already on raidbots

[rotund zodiac]

[glass mortar]

pretty sure its just echoing void

[runic bough]

Did u redo your Stix heroic yet

[glass mortar]

for us at least

[vapid sundial]

I doubt it matters much

[rotund zodiac]

Nope

My guild doesn’t reclear stix anymore

and I’m too lazy to do pug rn

[runic bough]

I'm gonna redo tomorrow

Are you working?

[rotund zodiac]

yea

[runic bough]

What time you off

Lets dps race on stix

[slate forge]

if you have two 684 mainhands is it worth to swap to depths for bosses as well as your swapping nightfall wep?

[rotund zodiac]

8.30 pm

wait, you pst right?

[runic bough]

Yeah

[glass mortar]

thats what i did with my 684 oh

radiant on cudgel depths on st

[rotund zodiac]

That would be your 6.30 am tomorrow

[slate forge]

yeah i have that for offhand you can swap mainhand with same macro as offhand with 1 global right?

[runic bough]

630am for 5.17 date right?

If u wanna do heroic dps race after work I can set alarm I guess

[glass mortar]

@vivid vessel i got the delve mount

its

[lime lake]

[glass mortar]

my last delve bar is almost full

give me more content blizzard

[peak dock]

excuse me, is anyone playing with a gtx 4060 ti???

[runic bough]

Burning Crusade pvp swords are my favorite sword

[runic bough]

whats up?

[peak dock]

can u show me your game graphics config?

[hollow temple]

Search “wow graphics settings” on youtube

[runic bough]

what resolution and hertz is your monitor

[peak dock]

is this normal??

67~ fps on gallywix

im using this monitor at 75hz

😦

[runic bough]

gallywix is graphical heavy

could lower some video settings

but 60+ fps is fine for this game

below 60 fps is when you should be concerned

[peak dock]

even tho my pc is like this?

[hollow temple]

Yep seems normal fps wise

[hollow temple]

Doesn’t really matter

[peak dock]

might be normal just asking bec when playing with an older monitor 60hz (vga)

fps didnt dropped below 55

that seems suspicious

[hollow temple]

You could have even better hardware and still get frames drops during some encounters

That’s just wow

67fps is nothing to complain about tbh

[runic bough]

also you can set your fps cap in nvidia settings to 72 fps.

Make sure your windows display setting is set to 75 hertz.

You want your fps cap to be 3 fps below the monitors max so you dont get lines.

[peak dock]

i didnt know that 😮

[hollow temple]

Lines?

[peak dock]

yeah lines (?

[runic bough]

well

its mostly making the gpu work harder than your monitors hertz value.

waste of energy

[hollow temple]

Wow isn’t really a gpu intensive game either way

[runic bough]

and going from high fps to low fps can cause stuttering sometimes

[hollow temple]

But changing 3 fps won’t hurt anything either way

[runic bough]

its just to make sure you dont waste energy going above 75 because fps fluctuates every second.

[hollow temple]

No reason not to try

I always just stick everything at 120 or 144hz

[runic bough]

Also for WoW we would need to undervolt and overclock your cpu, gpu doesnt really matter for this game.

12400 is really energy effecient cpu should be nice to do that

you can look up 12400 Eco mode settings or something

for AMD its generally referred to Eco mode.

im not sure what Intel calls undervolting

You lower the wattage and boost the clocks

best performance on a cpu

is to find that

like a menu might be 500 fps and in game is 75 fps

setting a fps cap will fix that

so you dont have gaps like that

and save energy as well

lowering your temps

[late swallow]

[wide magnet]

what does heroic as offhand mean here? you can't wear two of them anyway, so my interpretation was capo mythic in the main hand and heroic in off hand, but that doesn't make sense to me?

it says it for the iron thumb in another section, too

[gaunt phoenix]

i assume it means the first two are not worth on heroic and not everyone has access to mythic

[fathom bramble]

it also means that a heroic one is only worth it as an offhand

[late swallow]

imagine sitting on gallywix's iron thumb

[fathom bramble]

sinceyour mainhand can be a high ilvl weapon fairly easily

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah you wouldnt use a heroic main hand

[wide magnet]

the only options you have to edit are all mythic weapons

[delicate quest]

you want whatever is the highest weapon damage on your mainhand, a 681 crafted is gonna be higher than that heroic capo

thus offhand

[wide magnet]

but it wouldn't be higher than the mythic version which is the link...

[delicate quest]

yup yup

[stray star]

do we have visions sims for outlaw ?

[gaunt phoenix]

at the time #outlaw message

but they might tune them again

[wide magnet]

wouldn't you put the mythic one in your offhand?

[wild brook]

I didn't play outlaw till this xpac, but what was extendo arms?

err, i guess rogue till this xpac

[gaunt phoenix]

probably referring to old acrobatic strikes which gave +3 yard range to everything

[novel timber]

!logs

[delicate quest]

yeah not having long arms kinda sucks

I really like outlaw, probably too much at the worst of times. And to not beat a VERY dead horse but this killing spree shit is like zero fucking fun.

like any change to me would be better, make it like DH

the old fel barrage

where you drift around during a channel but have some control

[dreamy pecan]

!haste

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[runic bough]

after most upgrades i should be at 3.9mil unbuffed

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sJgtmMA6xnabq7HYXQ5fuK

[frail veldt]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[frail veldt]

damn thats more than me
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eRANQR6jtq2EZRSUVtG3E5

[runic bough]

mine is 4 ilvls higher

[round spindle]

Are any of the nightfall trinkets good?

[wintry solar]

You think HO will work with SC or is this happenstance because of tierset?

[mossy rock]

hey guys i came up with an outlaw route for triple outlaw. Lmk what you think :)

[raven condor]

LMAO.

The last pull is psychotic. I love it.

[runic bough]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[rotund zodiac]

Yea 5.17 but will pugs invite 2 outlaws? idk

[runic bough]

tell them that we will top the dmg meters

[rotund zodiac]

[wintry solar]

Ryu what do you think

[rotund zodiac]

Because of tier set fr

[wintry solar]

WITH

Not without

Obv it works without SC

[wintry solar]

Lowkey hope not but we'll see with new tier

Where can I see the new % chances with SoH?

It'll get posted again eventually

[rotund zodiac]

@wintry solar

[glass mortar]

thats with SoC and 4 set

[wintry solar]

Yeah thats what I'm thinking

I meant without tier

I will be holding out for 4pc next season though. Won't be doing 2/2 again.

[frail veldt]

hmmmmmm whistle or seaforium pacemaker

hard to pick

[hoary sapphire]

Whistle cuz it has visuals

[frail veldt]

true true

also wow whistle destroys pacemaker in st

[runic bough]

farming gildeds mood tonight

https://youtu.be/Q1MM49FLbSc?si=hIux21Z7kHaQeYbd

my vibe right now

[hoary sapphire]

Also just funny seeing people dodge your minecart ngl

[frail veldt]

oh yeah how often does that miss?

cuz if thats a thing im gona tilt over it lol

[hoary sapphire]

No i mean

your party members

seeing the cart and sidestepping

like idiots

Always is funny

[frail veldt]

aaaaaaaah

lol

[hoary sapphire]

dont think it can miss or parry or whatever

[wintry solar]

Made me giggle

Trinket is 1% better "dude this trinket absolutely BODIES this other trinket"

[frail veldt]

1% is a lot bro

lol

also im still sussed out as to why so many people run pacemaker over whistle

[wintry solar]

I should've spent my dinar more wisely

[fathom bramble]

does Wax whistle actually reliably hit the entire pack?

or does it not matter

[frail veldt]

good question

[hoary sapphire]

Dont even think its that great of a trinket

[frail veldt]

whistle?

[hoary sapphire]

Just funny to hear my premade group and me pog when i proc it back to back

and one zooms in with 500 km/h and the other is slow af

[errant arrow]

i have seen the light, or i guess the darkness in this case being a rogue and all, and have found myself putting killing spree onto my bars in m+

i will embrace every death as my own, pride in using killingmyself spree!

[frail veldt]

I think my favorite thing is pressing geargrinders in a big pack and having it do like 15 mil

and increase my dps by over a mil lol

[hoary sapphire]

Yeah I hope we are reclearing mythic raid someday this patch

and stop this perma extend

Need my offspec loot

[gaunt phoenix]

the risk/reward of outlaw is actually insane rn

dying to ks and losing AR

you are left to question your decisions

[runic bough]

and hit ss once every hour

[wintry solar]

Part of the gambler theme

[gaunt phoenix]

but luckily you do infinite damage

[wintry solar]

I don't take brez because I'd rather be dead than play outlaw without adr

[runic bough]

just say afk for adr cd

and its kinda the same thing

[wintry solar]

Yeah I wait for adr

[runic bough]

often times also

even with adr

no energy

lame design

[hoary sapphire]

just dont die innit

[wintry solar]

That happens rarely for me. Though I do notice it's always after ghostly strike

I know we use gs on cooldown but I refuse to press it out of adr

I be staring at the screen for 5 seconds waiting to do anything

That needs to be fixed pronto

To hell with KS

[zinc steeple]

lots of procs and, so real nice to have during damage window, and you can use your on use during it too.. at least thats what i do

[lime lake]

holy based

[runic bough]

ryu is climbing guys

first season to climb going to do 12s now

ive tried 12's and 13 already

failed not from my fault

should be good with right groups

[weak herald]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vWfpx9ADZ83V3bcTcgCDic

whats better, take a myth Pacemaker or the hero knucles with the dinnars, i already have the Mace of Gally

[raven condor]

huffing+puffing the mobs down at that point, feelsbad.jpeg

[unreal zephyr]

killing spree gets me killed no matter what i swear 😂😂👀

[polar kelp]

Hero knuckles is useless. You can make 681 crafted main hand and get event offhand mixed with crafted offhand at 681

Myth is good though if you can get it

[thorn river]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[thorn river]

For Outlaw specifically, Capo's Molten Knuckles is the only super desirable thing from Dinars. Even a heroic one is your bis offhand on bosses.

[wintry solar]

If you're undergeared like me, you can have both cudgel and capo B)

[runic bough]

popo

why are you undergeared

do I just play all the time

well yeah i do

i dont have a life

[wintry solar]

Most of my time is spent running in circles

Also I work a lot

[runic bough]

running in circles

well yeah most of my off work is spend on here

[astral wind]

Aight I moved to outlaw last night, shit is fun but I'm trash, what's decent overall to be doing in say a 12 DF? Guess I should start logging my keys.

[runic bough]

3mil is a good start

the big outlaws are doing 5mil+

id say 5mil+ is pro outlaw

3mil is average

4mil is above average

[tender wedge]

also depends, if you get picked for circles on 2nd boss or your tank doesn't move away from candles on candle king your ST gets dumpstered and that can affect your overall too

[runic bough]

also 3rd boss you cant use killingspree so your fucked

[tender wedge]

you can if your tank is nice

but gl in pugs

[random stirrup]

this spec does infinite damage in low keys man

4mil overall at 650 with no 4p

[weak herald]

i have main hand 681 crafted, and hero gally iron tumb, im between hero knucles or the pacemaker myth (or wait to next week and have luck on the vault)

[tender wedge]

knuckles is best for raid, event weapon best for keys, pacemaker good trinket for all specs, depends what you want to focus on i guess

[wintry solar]

I'm hitting max ilvl next season

I should be free

[runic bough]

gally mace sucks

by the time it does any dmg the boss is dead

just use capo as bis

[past falcon]

u can use immediately after every circle soak

[runic bough]

yeah but your still holding it for a long time

[wintry solar]

You know what else sucks?

[runic bough]

[wintry solar]

Vacuum cleaners

[rotund zodiac]

[weak herald]

what event weapon?

[runic bough]

yeah i got gally mace

then i DE'd it

garbage shit

[tender wedge]

The Hallowfall event

To the weekly quest (it’s the one to complete the nightfall event) and you can use a token to buy a champ track mace that has a stupid good proc

It’s meant to only proc on your first attack after entering combat but because outlaw vanishes so much it’s just constantly going off

[astral wind]

Hmm good point. I'm able to do like 4mil overall in a 12 but I think I was doing a bit more as Assa, obvs I have a lot more experience as Assa and outlaw has actual mistakes and Assa is ungabunga

[tribal oasis]

hi, if we are swapping offhand during m+ bosses, does it makes sense to enchant oh with authority of the depths?

[tender wedge]

Assa should probably do more damage in that key even with bad boss damage

[weak herald]

Even if its only champion gear?

[tender wedge]

I don’t think either spec scales any better or worse with gear

Assa just does more aoe 🤷🏻

[hot olive]

!log

[tender wedge]

But also like. “What overall should I do in x key” is hard

Did you wipe and chain feed deaths to a pack? Congrats, you just lost 500k overall but still probably timed the key if it’s a 12

Was there a retpal ripping CDs on every single pack and killing small trash instantly? Gg

Was everyone else doing rubbish boss damage and they’re taking forever? Congrats you just spent an extra 5 minutes at low dps

[astral wind]

Good point, the keys are feeling smooth, I'm certainly feeling like I'm having an impact as OL, just need to learn it properly

Also fuck killing spree

Need to learn to rip it at low cp on some mobs

[tender wedge]

Outlaw is kinda weird because you often feel like you’re always 3rd place after every pack but then maybe you get a lucky break every few when others have zero cds

Suddenly at the end you’re on top overall wtf

In low/mid keys at least

[azure vortex]

!auras

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[pastel heath]

Hey guys, i don't Mythic raid, whats best trinkets? I have myth pacemaker an hero remnant atm

[tender wedge]

Probably the minecart whistle

But even heroic geargrinder keys is very nice, drips off first boss and not super desirable for other specs

[pastel heath]

hm could be a farm first 2 Mythic ig

ty for reply!

[feral glen]

How good is deathstalker on Last 2 M Bosses? Is KSpree usable or have to play Fatebound?

[tender wedge]

you mean trickster lol, but it's a bit dodgy on mugzee (you'll constantly KS into bombs unless you hold a lot, you can KS into tank frontal), playable on gally im told

[remote pike]

in higher keys as well
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/phBRyNFZKQT3tknc?fight=1&type=damage-done

not great damage on any of us but why the fk am i highest xD

[tender wedge]

to be fair

udk absolutely trolling to do that damage in a 15CB lol

but yeah it can be like that in higher keys too depending who you're with

[pliant wind]

unholy dealing key% 2 : -D

what happens when a player doesnt know his class but plays it because meta

dealing much less dmg than outlaw and ww

[hasty warren]

Yo pirates

[pliant wind]

I always play HO trickster in all raid bosses

and im fine with it tbh

practice gave me KS timing xD

[civic void]

Your guild will NOT be fine with you playing HO trickster on Sprocket

[pliant wind]

i never hit a bomb idk

like never

[vivid vessel]

Wrong difficulty

[hasty warren]

I have a question for ppl using expert mode for raidbot : What dj route u're taking ?
I'm using an old priory route but I think it can be better to take something more accurate

[pliant wind]

yeah im not in mythic xD

didnt say which one

[civic void]

Well the original message did so had to assume

[pliant wind]

ah true

last 2 M bosses

didnt see

[hasty warren]

my rl will bench me if I take ks lol

[pliant wind]

:o

[quasi notch]

Does double bubbling wax work=?

[tender wedge]

no

[runic bough]

guys

I played sin for a week to get over killingspree

and after 2 days

i am about to rage on killingspreee again

fuck

FUCK

[tender wedge]

you've come back to outlaw?

[runic bough]

for 2 days

[tender wedge]

why

[runic bough]

but im tired of killingspree again

im better at it so the dmg is higher

[tender wedge]

fair

i just play both

keys that matter? assass

fun/weekly keys? outlaw

[runic bough]

yeah im not that good with sin yet

[tender wedge]

just practice man, lucky it's kinda low mental load compared to outlaw

learn to love them both

and hate sub

as god intended

[runic bough]

outlaw is more chill to me

[tender wedge]

honestly me too but i've been playing outlaw way longer

im better at kicking and dodging as outlaw

[runic bough]

sin is slower but 1 gcd per bleed makes it a hassle

when there are 15 mobs

and trying to dodge stuffs

and apply bleeds

its a hassle lol

[tender wedge]

yeah i hear you

[runic bough]

but still better than killingspree

[tender wedge]

that's usually where i get bad, when my original bleeds are running out

should i fan rup ran rup fan rup etc

i haven't died to KS lately

i still prefer it but

just too prohibitive atm 😦

[runic bough]

so many mechanics

make you stop your rotation

hold ks

and then when you use a high cp ks its over

it lasts an hour

and ur gonna die

[tender wedge]

mmm, i get people say just send on 1CP or plan better etc but like...i don't wanna. that and my guildies panic when im zipping around and they yell at me

[runic bough]

i send everything at high cp

so

I have to start sending at low cp ks

but its hard from habit playing outlaw

send 5+

[tender wedge]

me too, like sending any spender under 5 has been burnt out of me

[hasty warren]

finally top 3 outlaw of my server 😎

[runic bough]

[rotund zodiac]

U not sleep yet? Ryu

[runic bough]

im go now

[hasty warren]

gn ryu

[rotund zodiac]

I’ll be home in 3 hours

or 4

[hasty warren]

have nice dreams without ks

[runic bough]

im sorry i stayed up all night flushie

how long will you be on for

before u go bed

[icy hare]

Has the weapon swap macro been fixed?

[fossil pagoda]

what was wrong with it ?

[icy hare]

It was saying can't do this at this time my entire theatre key

[fossil pagoda]

mhm i never had that

[vivid vessel]

you cant swap gally weapon

[icy hare]

fuuuck

[rustic lotus]

wait u can swap in key?

ust not gally weapon?

[vivid vessel]

its not a weapon you would want to use in m+ anyway

its a time scaling weapon

[vivid vessel]

weapons yes

always been a thing

[fossil pagoda]

yes deli zac has a nice wa for that

[rustic lotus]

oh

[vivid vessel]

you can swap weapns in combat even

[rustic lotus]

LMAO i never even attempted i just assumed it was taken out after legion

xD

[proven ocean]

I love spreading misinformation and letting everyone get confused for the next 8 hours

[rustic lotus]

cool im prolly gunna buy heroic capo then

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[unreal cape]

hey pirates, "Junkmastro's mega magnet" how do you use it in outlaw? on CD or charge to certain stacks?

[rustic lotus]

is it posted somewhere or should i just google it

[icy hare]

max stacks, or on a priority add who will die before you reach max stacks

[unreal cape]

so charge to 30 and dump, got you. ideally in a AR window?

[icy hare]

doesnt matter

[leaden folio]

gally weapon only usable on galy mythic lmao

[unreal cape]

appreciate it

[red zinc]

@vivid vessel where is the ub tracker hidden in your aura

cant find it

[vivid vessel]

core

general

rogue

uidk

not outlaw specific

[red zinc]

found it ty

[azure vortex]

i cant have more AR uptime than ~65%, do you have any advice for me

please dont check my poison uptime

[rapid grail]

HI

when should i use my coup de grace??

[rustic lotus]

nice

[pliant wind]

how many vanish did you cast?

[azure vortex]

48

[pliant wind]

low number

[rapid grail]

?

[pliant wind]

it should be around 70-85

work around your rotation, check logs and see how can increase that number

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel is an expert in the 65% ar field u can ask how he does it

[pliant wind]

im stuck at 85-87% AR uptime

still figuring it out

[proven ocean]

And how did u figure out that its a low number

[rustic lotus]

ALOT of these dungeons are VERY cringe with mandatory downtime.

[pliant wind]

checking logs

[proven ocean]

What

[pliant wind]

wut

[proven ocean]

[pliant wind]

[proven ocean]

What logs

[pliant wind]

my normal number of vanish casts in all m+ are 70+

[proven ocean]

ok

[pliant wind]

top rio are around more

so

[proven ocean]

That literally has nothing to do with ar uptime brotherman

[pliant wind]

that helps in AR uptime

wow are you sure about that?

[proven ocean]

[pliant wind]

more BTE, more chance of ACE reducing cooldowns

idk

[proven ocean]

[pliant wind]

and then explain to me why vanish doesnt affect in AR uptime?

if im mistaken

[proven ocean]

??

Because outlaw is trash

[rustic lotus]

WELL SAID

[proven ocean]

[rustic lotus]

MAKE KS MAKE U IMMUNE TO DMG

[lime lake]

[pliant wind]

[rustic lotus]

While ur at it. make it so everytime we hit someone with KS we slip a bomb into their pockets so they just explode when we are done. That way i can pretend im a power ranger

[fluid iron]

[proven ocean]

Zac is mad outlaw’s bad

Its ok zac you’ll get through this

[pliant wind]

i think in my case is natural that AR has less uptime cause i play HO instead KiR?

does anyone know if it should be similar in both builds?

[stoic stirrup]

Out of curiosity, and sorry for the beginner question, what’s the reason Pistol Shot with Opp is only at 3 CP or lower?

[pliant wind]

u can waste CP

with buffs

[stoic stirrup]

Ah ok

[steady crane]

hi ! Does the part % ranking (by ilvl or not) is a thing for m+?

[desert tendon]

Not even rank 0 you noob

[red zinc]

ks making you immune to damage would lead to a slightly less degenerate gameplay loop at high keys but still degenerate

[granite zephyr]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[drowsy pebble]

waddup dudes, missing my outlaw. Been jamming sin going to swap. Do we have haste minimums for HO/KIR anymore?sims telling me crit vers for alot fo my gear

[shut lichen]

it'd lead to a different kind, just a more positive one

[hoary sapphire]

!haste

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[hollow portal]

🤣

[drowsy pebble]

thanks

[granite zephyr]

anyone got a wa that just tells me when to reroll buffs? :<

[hollow portal]

https://wago.io/Pd53s_NPU

[granite zephyr]

well that sure got upgraded since i last tried that one (ages ago i admit), ty 🙂

[hollow portal]

It is updated with the latest rules of this discord, both for Kir and Ho.

[red zinc]

have never seen this ability in my life

[patent mirage]

its not there anymore

[jolly geyser]

she burned herself

[patent mirage]

this boss used to apply a dot on you during bfa

[shut lichen]

was about to say i'm pretty sure this was there b4 they brought this dung back

[glass plaza]

whats the command that shows the haste breakpoint stuff? I saw it yesterday

[shut lichen]

!haste

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[glass plaza]

ty

does crackshot still do the dispatch if the target is out of melee range?

[pastel sierra]

Yes

[red zinc]

these ks disconnects irritate the ever living fuck out of me

[formal crest]

KS is real pain,outlaw is my favourite alt in terms of fun, but KS is blocker

[glass plaza]

I wish they made KS keep your hitbox in the same spot like how p1 Sylvanas jumped around but was still hittable where she was

[red zinc]

the design is whatever

ever since this patch in certain areas in motherlode your game will just disconnect you because you clip out of the map or whatever

happened thrice now

[pastel sierra]

You can force a dc by using killing spree on the worm in front of sprocket in raid

[glass plaza]

good to know lol

[red zinc]

i just cant grasp how they break shit that wasnt broken in the first place and got nothing changed to it

always incredible to me

[hybrid crown]

I just did 6.2 overall in a priory

that was sick

[rotund zodiac]

do you use shiv in ToP?

for the berserk add

[copper radish]

its nice after running a 12 to see i took the least amountt of dmg for the run. cant believe im finally avoiding shit lol

[hybrid crown]

I do yes but it only covers every other cast

[tender breach]

I thought all raid gear could be purchased via dinars and I found out I minature roulete ring is missing 😦

[cinder relic]

It's only weapons, procs and trinkets

[lusty sparrow]

Made this trash at work up votes to the left

[vivid vessel]

LOL

@proven ocean

Nawoh and zaelia joining method

Honestly

Echo is so washed up

[haughty moat]

haha

[proven ocean]

https://x.com/Method/status/1923755563881533781

Method (@Method) on X

Two familiar faces return.
Please join us in welcoming @Zaeliaa and @Naowhxd to Method 🔥

X · May 17, 2025, 3:00 PM

ye ik i just saw

lmao

[vivid vessel]

Xdddd

Bro echo is going to get third

Right

Noob ass guild

[random stirrup]

isn't zaelia permabanned from wow competitive events

or does rwf not count

[proven ocean]

n o

[vivid vessel]

Rwf isn't official lol

[proven ocean]

rwf isnt an event

echo's about to get fucked in the asshole btw

[vivid vessel]

Blizzard barely aknowledge it's existence

[proven ocean]

with that one

lmao

even tho

method is like

[random stirrup]

ig but it's sorta sanctioned

[proven ocean]

way worse than echo

but

[random stirrup]

they do tweet about it and stuff

[proven ocean]

that'll motivate them

ALOT

[vivid vessel]

Do they even tweet when a guild win the race

[random stirrup]

ye

[proven ocean]

they do publicly announce some of rwf stuff yes

doesnt mean its official

[lime plank]

HO and KiR rather close and just personal preference??

[shut lichen]

going to be a more interesting rate regardless

now it may actually be a 3-way hell-in-the cell

[vivid vessel]

LOOL

https://x.com/Method/status/1923759176515276961?t=sY6-YWuVpk0funSlYLa88A&s=19 @proven ocean

Method (@Method) on X

AND THATS NOT ALL!!!

Welcome @ClickzWOW, @Canexxw, and @kushlulx to Method

The roster's never looked more STACKED, the next #RWF is going to be 🔥

X · May 17, 2025, 3:15 PM

[random stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-gif-22294771

[haughty moat]

lol what? is that real?

[shut lichen]

yes

90% it's cause they can now play with Zaelia again this way

[late swallow]

Lmao holy

Echo taking big losses

[proven ocean]

?

[vivid vessel]

?

[proven ocean]

is this a jokeo

or real

in key brb'

[red zinc]

echo aint even getting third

[vivid vessel]

It's a method tweet lol

Of course it's real

Echo lost legit everyone

[novel socket]

who's zaelia

[fluid iron]

gonna be fun seeing the fight for world 2nd

[red zinc]

a weirdo

hes good at wow thoughh

[shut lichen]

one of, if not the best healer in wow at his time

[novel socket]

oh

good for method then

[proven ocean]

best healer in the entire game btw

by a mile

[covert kestrel]

is there a buddyboii here

[novel socket]

how come he is not on liquid then

don't they get all the top players because they have the most funding

[shut lichen]

bro has been afk for a bit due to IRL shit

[novel socket]

oh ok

[shut lichen]

to put it lightly

[red zinc]

(accused of abuse by 3 different women)

[fluid iron]

"irl" shit being accused of being a wife beater

[covert kestrel]

yeah but hes good at vidya so clearly that outweighs possible domestic abuse

[red zinc]

i couldnt care less about it being true or not you dont just get those accusations as a wow player

so hes a weirdo

[random stirrup]

liquid lost cere this tier to echo because according to max "echo offered him exponentially more than senior liquid members were making"

[novel socket]

oh

i heard that echo was down

and liquid was getting more talent

because they have more funds

and they won the past two races

[random stirrup]

true before apparently they got a new sponsor

[shut lichen]

Shit switches up a lot tbh

[novel socket]

competition is good

[red zinc]

echo got sponsored by saudi or some shit

[random stirrup]

but also now lost 3 good players

unrelated to funding reasons

[shut lichen]

^true

playing with the homies trumps all

[vivid vessel]

Echo been looking so washed up the past few races

Now

[shut lichen]

i don't think zac likes Echo

[random stirrup]

rw2nd gonna be more content than rwf

[novel socket]

echo was the winner of amidrasil right

if i remember correctly