outlaw

[proven ocean]

btw zac

tournament realm are 684

so

[vivid vessel]

i just checked their comps

[proven ocean]

dont be surprised if they do higher than 20s

[vivid vessel]

and they arent

[proven ocean]

casual told me they're 684

[vivid vessel]

for next week maygbe

finals ?

[proven ocean]

idk

it doesnt look like they're scaling down

cuz 677.6

maybe they reverted it

btw zac

how come they're playing double druid

isn't that cooked

or

[vivid vessel]

ye idk

its only to save the comps

maybe they wanna save resto

[proven ocean]

hmm

resto is the worst healer in the game

unless they have some weird tech

[vivid vessel]

Ye idk

[proven ocean]

maybe mistweaver is worse abit

[verbal fjord]

@vivid vessel sorry for tagging but can u link me the weapon switch macro ? ^^

[gaunt phoenix]

/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Capo's Molten Knuckles```

[dawn talon]

yes, previous plan was turbo boost this week then not at start of finals, new plan is no turbo boost until finals

for fairness in groups

[mellow thicket]

solo at here like

[dawn talon]

nahhhhh tettles is ON THE BROADCAST DOWNPLAYING SOLAR BEAM

[mellow thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/john-travolta-gif-25290651

[proven ocean]

why is moad team going again

on a fucking 16

lol

[random stirrup]

remember when he started the season talking about how boomkin was terrible and bottom dps like he does every season

[dawn talon]

he's legit the most ridiculous downplayer ever

[vivid vessel]

Did they miss the +3

They want to +3 probably ross

[frail veldt]

tettles is the most coped out player in this game

boomy will be S tier in raid and m+

and he will go "well the leveling is awkward so imma put it in C tier"

[vivid vessel]

boomie is crazy

[dawn talon]

yknowww the sun was in my eyes

so i think it's b tier probably

[vivid vessel]

every season they act like they are the worse spec in the game

then somehow

[dawn talon]

might work out to be played in some situations though

[vivid vessel]

its meta in m +

every tier

[frail veldt]

who would have thought that a dps spec with an aoe silence and borderline uncapped aoe would be good in m+

CRAAAAZY

how long does beam last?

like 8 seconds?

[dawn talon]

the somehow in question

[vivid vessel]

naaah bro

thats just a bonus

boomie is top tier dps

every tier

in m+

lol

[random stirrup]

im ngl im starting to dislike boomie more than mage

[dawn talon]

it's bc of moonkin players

like mage players are terrible

[vivid vessel]

also boomie got 3% vers

btw

[dawn talon]

but at least some of them are funny

moonkin players just complain constantly about their spec

[random stirrup]

at least the mage buff restricts them to caster comps generally

boomie is just good no matter what

[dawn talon]

and they legit just lie

about the viability of their spec

[frail veldt]

at least mage is hard

[random stirrup]

i tried boomie for the first time this tier and was genuinely astonished at how braindamaged that spec is

[frail veldt]

boomy honestly easier than bm hunter

its the ret paladin of ranged specs

[random stirrup]

especially with the elune tree

[dawn talon]

but dude u have to hit bear form sometimes

to become invulnerable to damage

[frail veldt]

boomies act like bear form reduces their dps by 100000%

[vivid vessel]

well it reduces it to 0 %

[frail veldt]

for 1 gcd haha

same as walking out of an aoe as melee

crazy

[dawn talon]

same as pressing any defensive that's on the gcd

[frail veldt]

lol yep

[hybrid crown]

Don't they have to spend another gcd going back into boomkin

[frail veldt]

oh truuuu

[unkempt dew]

What enchantments do I put on my weapons?

[hybrid crown]

It at least sounds annoying as shit

[dawn talon]

it's really not that bad

[copper radish]

Maybe they shouldn’t play a shapeshifter then they’d have no complaints 😂

[gaunt phoenix]

u can use radiant power everywhere

if you just want to pick one

depths is a bit better single target focus

[unkempt dew]

I mostly do m+

[runic bough]

I would get one of each

Everything was nerfed this expansion so it doesn't really matter. One darkness and one radiant seems like best thing.

Unless you have another weapon go full single target or full aoe enchant.

Radiant procs so little now though

Its really sad

The whole nerfing motto this expansion just makes all our enchants and stuff a chore

No real fun aspect this expansion to gearing

[cinder relic]

What

What's the nerfing motto they've done this expac in regards to gearing?

[runic bough]

One of the reasons wow is fun is the gearing aspect. Which this expansion is ignoring just saying.

Bfa had corruptions.

Big powers

Stuff like that

This expansion simply doesn't have any

Its just a min max thing

[hollow temple]

Neither did DF though

[dawn talon]

idk i like it better this way

there's interesting cantrip items and a few wacky trinkets

and my actual spec is fun

[runic bough]

Yes. We had strong embellishments and trinkets in df and a strong head enchant.

I mean df

They were nice to have beyond min maxing. Made gearing fun.

[quick ravine]

heya i have the mats for the everforged longsword. is there anything else i need other than the mats to get it to max ilvl?

[hollow temple]

The crest items

[runic bough]

Just make sure you get the 60 gilded crest and 30 gilded ilvl booster.

[quick ravine]

so make sure to have 90 in total

[hollow temple]

And use an embellishment if you don’t already have 2 of them

[cinder relic]

DF embellishments weren't that strong

[hollow temple]

You buy the items for crests before crafting

[cinder relic]

They were stronger than current, but they weren't that insane

[gaunt phoenix]

the enchanted gilded crest (to get 675 at rank 5) and the gilded augmentation matrix (to get 681)

[hollow temple]

The crest items are like a part of the mats you need for specific ilvl

[quick ravine]

forsure i just gotta get a few more crests and im det

set even

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel quick ToP 18?

[stiff hawk]

Thats btw a good thing

[vivid vessel]

top this

[stiff hawk]

Little to no Borrowing Power

Beyond the normal Gear

[late swallow]

borrowing power

[proven ocean]

ok i wanted to try double rogue keys but im not gonna consider it again

[vivid vessel]

sorry

taking a breakatm

[late swallow]

bro is talking like a big bank trying to sell me a credit card

[fallen knot]

zac i do rook

[vivid vessel]

played too much today

[fallen knot]

then i'm free for 12s

[pastel hemlock]

does anyone have a wa for the unseen blade icd

[late swallow]

i think zac has one in his pack

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[pastel hemlock]

oh ty

[late swallow]

there's the individual one

[vivid vessel]

bro i ate too much

im too full now

[late swallow]

walk me through your meal king

what did you have

[vivid vessel]

pastas

with steaks

[runic bough]

Wow

[late swallow]

holy

bro is stuffed rn

[runic bough]

Sounds good

[fallen knot]

how many pastas

[runic bough]

Do you count each one you eat stov

[late swallow]

depends on the kind of pasta ngl

[fallen knot]

well if you have 2 pastas

[late swallow]

if you're eating orzo, gl

[fallen knot]

for me means

[late swallow]

but if you've got those giga shells

[fallen knot]

2 plates

[late swallow]

you can count em for sure

[fallen knot]

at least

[runic bough]

I see

Does lasagna count as one or do you count the layers?

[fallen knot]

1 plate

at least

pizza is a round pizza

[dawn talon]

amice in s1 was the biggest outlier right?

idr

[pliant wind]

there isnt a playable build with this epic last tier talent right?

why there are so many last tier useless talents in some specs i dont know

[gaunt phoenix]

well "playable" yes

[patent mirage]

the problem with gsw is , it doesnt work well with crackshot

[gaunt phoenix]

but its just worse than ghostly strike

[cinder relic]

Gsw was bad before we had crackshot tho

[vivid vessel]

wdym epic

[patent mirage]

gsw has been bad for a long time

[pliant wind]

i hate when i non stop rolling shit dices with HO build seriously

[viral tusk]

Hi guys, I am not raiding, which ones are the best 2 trinkets of doing m+ content? (already have Seaforium)

[thorny spruce]

Do you guys think its more worth to grab heroic capo knuckles and swap between that and the mace in keys or to grab mythic pacemaker for keys?

Hard to just sim them cause the capo gets used on bosses only since its not mythic. Pacemaker on dslice says its 36k for reference. Wish I could just get capo on myth

[runic bough]

Vexie dmg trinket if u just do first raid boss kill. But if not I like the alchemist stone to use as a vers stick.

[viral tusk]

Alchemist then

[civic void]

Wax whistle is alright afaik

[vivid vessel]

mandatory is playing druid heal

in real keys

toughts ?

[inner stump]

hey, quick question, can I disable this somehow?

for some reason today it started annoying me

[fossil lintel]

Gsw was good in sl

[gritty terrace]

Spell alert opacity in the base game settings

[red zinc]

cuh-po

[inner stump]

ty

[radiant fiber]

hello guys! I am looking for a little bit of help since there is not much difference in the sims. Should I get myth track shoulder or pacemaker?? Also I have 3 dinars which I was thinking to buy geargrinder trinket as I can only buy loot from first 4 bosses... thanks alot

[latent oak]

u can get pacemaker with the dinar, u cant get the shoulders with dinar

[gaunt phoenix]

shoulders

[radiant fiber]

and do you think to buy pacemake or geargrinder with the dinars?

[latent oak]

prolly geargrinder but i would trust the sim on that one

[radiant fiber]

also have this junkmaestro trinket myth track

[latent oak]

all our trinkets are pretty close

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix

peep the trinkets

i was right

[late swallow]

holy shit bro!!!!!!

why weren't they running an outlaw?

mistake or?

[vivid vessel]

since day one im wondering why no one plays kezan

i swear if you play around it

that trinket

is better than anything

for free

they destroyed the 20 dfc

mandatory

2 min faster than echo one

[late swallow]

mandatory is based

maystine is a cute af chubhog

echo are a bunch of ghouls

[vivid vessel]

thats cause he is french

[late swallow]

except gingi

that mf is orc bloatmaxxing

[vivid vessel]

i should have watched their pov

idk what they are doing for kezan

[late swallow]

kezan is rlly good

[radiant fiber]

chose the shoulder and I am thinking to buy pacemaker as it will be harder to find it again in the vault and hope to get geargrinder in vault next or as drop from raid

[latent oak]

can u only send 1 person ahead in the cart to send dynamite at the boss

and the rest clear trash or whatever

[vivid vessel]

no

you need everyone to send the candle in the cart

[latent oak]

u can max it out with 1 person afk at least im pretty sure

surprised u couldnt do it with more

[vivid vessel]

no but

[late swallow]

i love the cart sequence ngl

[vivid vessel]

for the cart to activate

you need everyone to click on it

[late swallow]

we need more loss of movement/control mechanics in dungeons

[vivid vessel]

and it sends you on the cart

[latent oak]

when we were farming 12s the cart activated without anyone clicking it

[vivid vessel]

then half the grp can afk

really

[latent oak]

and the boss killed us all as it ran past

[vivid vessel]

what cart are we talking about

[latent oak]

before last boss

that u throw dynamite at boss during

[vivid vessel]

ye

idk

[dawn talon]

i think it's kinda irrelevant anyway bc anyone who did a strat like that would get giga dqed

instantly

[latent oak]

its not a bug tho right?

[vivid vessel]

im pretty sure all 5 players need to clikc on the thing

that sounds like a bug

idk ?

[dawn talon]

it's very clearly against the intended design of the dungeon

[late swallow]

[latent oak]

so is standing on the boxes in floodgate to avoid the ground spinners

so is a million things that are allowed in mdi

[magic shuttle]

yesterday I learned that you can die in the cart sequence

[vivid vessel]

so mandatory is the only team playing full kezan

in every dungeon

[late swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/1372958800369422469/9u872g.gif

[dawn talon]

that is not against the design at all

[vivid vessel]

i feel validated

[magic shuttle]

our healer exited vehicle and instantly died

[dawn talon]

like there have been other things they let you do

but this is like a horrible example

[latent oak]

ok pulling all the trash ahead in the segment before so the cart is perma sprinting is also unintended

[dawn talon]

they spawn and just don't reach you on the box, completely sequencebreaking a dungeon is like, a completely different type of thing

[latent oak]

how is that sequence braking

its just sending 2 ppl to do a mechanic instead of 5 ppls

[dawn talon]

not really, the trash is just supposed to be able to kill you if you try to do it

and people found ways to gather and live it

[latent oak]

how is that different

u find ways around the limitations

u still need to hit the boss with dynamite to reduce his hp from 100

[vivid vessel]

ye mandatory is just pulling quick so they never lose combat for kezan

quite cool

wish i had a tank that would agree to do that

im past the key level where i can pull for my tanks now

[dawn talon]

slowing the mobs and pain supping your tank is different from sending people to start the next section of the dungeon and backpulling

there's even precedent for them not liking backpull snaps & similar strats

[thorn river]

@vivid vessel mind to check my gear sim? im confused af

[latent oak]

starting rp early is hardly unprecedented

[dawn talon]

you weren't allowed to do it in totjs

the backpull & snap before 3rd boss

[latent oak]

didnt that require u parkouring over the tree and go out of bounds

[dawn talon]

you didn't have to oob no

that was just the way most people did it

[vivid vessel]

sure send sim

here

[thorn river]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gdCf6HEENYeyA2VVRpT5kZ

and haste/vers is ring best as new item with 45k dps increase

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ehZY42Dvyb4gk6mqYXnFys

this is the haste/vers

[vivid vessel]

ye so

[dawn talon]

in bfa they added rules about boss arenas & inaccessible/blocked dungeon segments

[vivid vessel]

i mena i guess im also a bit confused how the legs and shit arent as much of a dps gain

but

one sec

[glass mortar]

whats surprising? is this sim not just trying to drop haste?

[vivid vessel]

you are 3 % over the haste treshold

[glass mortar]

ye

[vivid vessel]

so dropping that much haste is very good for you

you should try to fix your base gear

wait

[thorn river]

reverse crafted ring to crit/vers ?

[vivid vessel]

these are cata boots btw

[thorn river]

yeh i got them from vexie

[latent oak]

if u catalyse vexie boots they go from heavy haste small vers to heavy vers small haste

is what he meant

[thorn river]

aah, so i should cata em

[vivid vessel]

ye the cata version is very good

but also

[thorn river]

il throw em in and sim again i guess

[vivid vessel]

yuo prolly wanna play that otehr ring rn

let me check some stuffs

everytime i alt tab to mandatory stream

i see this

[thorn river]

painfull to watch

[vivid vessel]

i like

[latent oak]

jealous?

[vivid vessel]

im not

[thorn river]

[vivid vessel]

i was the first to play kezan in keys !

im a precursor !

they laughed at me while i was telling the truth !

[latent oak]

from a casual viewer pov mandatory looking better than echo did no?

[frank finch]

first to play it first to abandon it

[vivid vessel]

ye

i mena

mandatory have been better

for a bit now

[thorn river]

safe to throw boots in cata and resim and we see from there ?

[vivid vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iwDrg16mSMNRDgXDQdrQ7f

[hasty warren]

can't wait for final with missed count mandatory and wunddenbar

[vivid vessel]

like just doing this right

is already a 1 % gain

and i didnt upgrade anything

just

using boots and recrafted wrist to crit

[thorn river]

ah shit

thats why ur the goat

[vivid vessel]

cause like you have so much haste rn

any amount of haste is a huge loss for you

[glass mortar]

haste past the haste tax for kir builds is worthless

[vivid vessel]

you just need to keep thast in mind

[glass mortar]

or close to it anyway

[astral wind]

Gamers wish me luck just spent my dinars on capo's molten knuckles and recrafted all my shit and going outlaw, time to pump out a few keys to learn HO and when to press KS before gally prog on sunday 🙃

[glass mortar]

literally throwing a secondary in the garbage, u want to do everything u can to not go above it

[thorn river]

ill do that first and then sim again for any craft gainers

thanx alot man !

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[gaunt phoenix]

hf, outlaw does infinite dmg rn

[vivid vessel]

i think looking at your gear i would craft legs anyway rn

just for ilvl

its just a spark anywya

doesnt matter much right

[astral wind]

Seems omega fun, loved BFA outlaw more than anything in this game ever. Also I wasn't spending a dinar on a hc item 🤢

[vivid vessel]

as long as you fix your haste you will gain a lot

[thorn river]

yeah true

[vivid vessel]

ah thats funny

they are tagging random mobs to not lose the stacks

! i love kezan !

[vivid vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gNo3zi1w2Vfmdw9dJVDbsY

this is your highest simming gear rn

using haste flask

its like 0.4% better than the other one i sent earlier

kinda minimal

but using the funny ring

[thorn river]

wait whut, that ring

[vivid vessel]

ye i mean its a good ring

[thorn river]

isnt mastery like very very meh

[leaden folio]

this is dungeon slice ?

[vivid vessel]

ye sklice

[vivid vessel]

ye but its a lot of vers

lot

of it

[leaden folio]

without any buff ?

[vivid vessel]

ye

[leaden folio]

oh taht why

[vivid vessel]

i think i have lust and sham

forgot

[leaden folio]

because i have this

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jGAbRjQiaVr9jhNoo2uBKW

[vivid vessel]

buffs shouldnt change anything to the result tho

[thorn river]

so i dont need to recraft the bracers, but just switch ring

[vivid vessel]

ye you can do that

and use haste flask

idk exactly how much haste it puts you at

you can check quickly to

[thorn river]

i got the ring, so i can check

[vivid vessel]

it uses haste enchants aswell i assume its right at 19/20% haste

catalyzed the boots tho

but i mean you can always find haste somewhere else

cata boots are just better by default most of the times

[latent oak]

did u sim engi bracers

[thorn river]

didnt even knew that from the feet tbh

[harsh ocean]

Any idea why KiR is now top build on archon? Buff to deft maneuvers?

[gaunt phoenix]

kir is expected to win at bigger pulls ya

but ho wins lower targets

which includes bosses

overall they should still be similar

i dont think kir is like oppressively strong

[harsh ocean]

Just curious. I prefer HO but it can be nice to swap playstyles sometimes

[polar kelp]

It's hard though because on big pulls you HAVE to stay on your GS target....which makes kicking random targets / moving to dodge kinda shitty sometimes...especially depending on the tank

[gaunt phoenix]

ya try them out

[polar kelp]

So I personally think kir sim is a BIT off in practice

[gaunt phoenix]

KIR with 1 point in FTH is a bit difficult to optimize and get used to

[light kernel]

is remnant shit trinket?

[polar kelp]

Ye

It's just janky

If you guys haven't tried HO with GS and no PC it's another option. Your overall won't be as high depending on the dungeon but you do feel it speed up. Your ST and big aoe pulls go a lot better

It just kinda sucks in a few dungeons like ToP or rookery, so not advised there

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel time to get world first flood 20

25s overtime last time

[frank finch]

stream?

[vivid vessel]

gl cuh

[runic bough]

Zeross is about to be on HOF

[proven ocean]

sry no stream today

[runic bough]

[gaunt phoenix]

ryu next

[runic bough]

Zeross you need to stream it so u gets famous

More famous

Quit day job and get paid to play wow

[proven ocean]

u know what i'll stream it just for u

[runic bough]

I have some people in my guild I like to play with

[frank finch]

[runic bough]

Could climb with them

[deep cedar]

i actually wanna se that too :D

[runic bough]

Gl gl zeross

[proven ocean]

stream is up

brb

[runic bough]

Ok

[thorn river]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1QC2ZzgLHfXibx9LYi3vEA

@vivid vessel so haste vers legs it is for craft

[vivid vessel]

you are simming vers flask

this setup is supposed to use haste flask

[thorn river]

yeah totally forgot

time to resim

[runic bough]

Shit I have to lookup my twich login so I can watch on phone

Did key start yet

[quaint monolith]

yaa

[reef forge]

watching you

[thorn river]

😄

[urban bramble]

stalker

[runic bough]

Ok ok im on Twitch now watching

[vivid vessel]

im wondering if mandatory is playing druid heal cause it doesnt need to sit for mana

so they can keep chaining for kezan

any healer in the chat

[random stirrup]

doesnt disc have infinite mana

[frail veldt]

yeah

[frail veldt]

do they though? I see rdruid drinking more than disc

[lime lake]

yeah but druid runs faster

[latent oak]

he would prolly be playing nelf anyways right

so can meld drink

[runic bough]

Guys

Zeross team is really good

HOF coming up if sin wasn't so squishy

If outlaw wasn't capped they woulda timed that

And zeross wouldn't die so much as outlaw

[thorn river]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rgif8qMDfcyPRa7EUM61KW

@vivid vessel u aprove of that >?

[oak bloom]

Hey guys
For you what is best trinket for MM+ ?
Causse i don't have really idea of what is bis and what is OK
For now i got keys from 1 bosss of raid and peacemaker

[tropic geode]

you are probably close to bis unless you can get trinket from last boss myth raid

[oak bloom]

ye in sim house of card look bis but mastery is dead stat so my head gonna explode

[wanton parcel]

How much crit do we want?

[pliant wind]

Like 20-30%

haste for HO build 10-15% is ok, KiR build 20-25%

that depends on your equipement

and sims

[wanton parcel]

Been running KIR in keys might try HO

[hollow temple]

!stats

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[pliant wind]

i just did a KiR build, but i like HO more because of subtlety windows xD

[vivid vessel]

@fallen knot you there

[pliant wind]

I like a little more haste tbh

[vivid vessel]

wanted to go to sleep cause im cooked but i could also do monk keys

[wanton parcel]

Yeah I feel that. My overall has been a little funky. Thinking 28% verse is a little lower than it should be haste is 20% at least

[runic bough]

Zac ask to switch with zeross and time a 20 key

Sin is so squishy, outlaw would survive

But then less dmg cuz capped so its give and take

[random stirrup]

@vivid vessel possible to update your coup de grace thing for sub?

[vivid vessel]

how so

its global

[random stirrup]

idk i ripped it from updated pack and it still has numbers

[vivid vessel]

ripped the wrong one then noob

[random stirrup]

maybe im cooked

[vivid vessel]

skill issue much ?

[random stirrup]

i think it was skill issue

[young prism]

I did it! 🙂

[daring oxide]

I want this transmog

[loud locust]

I know people will say "just sim it" but I currently have this gear, I do not plan on doing any mythic raiding soon or mythic 12s, so I will be happy taking hero tracked items, which items should I sim/are obviously so bis that I should take without simming?

[hollow temple]

you can run droptimizer sims to see the biggest upgrades for you all laid out at once

at the point you're at, you just need more ilvl

[loud locust]

Yeah I just noticed while inputting my sim

[loud locust]

Yeah, I mean I still would like a bis item rather than short-term upgrade

[hollow temple]

craft or recraft a weapon for your mainhand to be 681

thats the first thing i'd knock out asap

[loud locust]

Yeah i'm farming higher keys for the crests

But I have 3 of the bullions

and was wondering what to take for it

[hollow temple]

the first thing to get with dinars would be the capo to use in offhand i guess

[fallen knot]

no

playing magic

[loud locust]

sim taking forever even with x2 power

damn

[hollow temple]

dungeon slice i'm assuming?

[loud locust]

Yeah

Should I not?

[hollow temple]

naw i mean its fine

capo would likely be #1 for ST/patchwerk

so just depends on if you value more dps in raid

[round dragon]

Sidestreet 5min speedrun as outlaw is kinda fun

[hollow temple]

or if you want to weapon swap for bosses in m+

[loud locust]

Hmm

Idk tbf

[hollow temple]

you can use the cudgel offhand for trash packs

and swap to capo for bosses

during keys

[loud locust]

😢

[hollow temple]

also you can make it sim the droptimizer fully upgraded can't you?

[loud locust]

Yeah

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wmaCCjSKukiVANubbP86hK

[hollow temple]

ye

i would run 1 patchwerk but at fully upgraded ilvl

and 1 dslice at upgraded ilvl

then decide from there

but it will probably be weird

[loud locust]

Okay let me sim

[hollow temple]

because you haven't got a 681 crafted mainhand

so its going to over value weapons

trying to replace your mainhand

[loud locust]

Yeah

I wish it was easy to just say "this is bis"

like my boomie

it's a no brainer to take HoC

[hollow temple]

get the 681 mainhand then run the sims

but its prolly gonna be capo

[loud locust]

Yeah I'm thinking of it

[runic bough]

GUYS

ALERT

https://tenor.com/view/alert-siren-warning-light-gif-15160785

New ks hack

[loud locust]

What

[runic bough]

Get bomb trinket to use before you ks or afterwards

[glass mortar]

....?

[loud locust]

What bomb trinket

[runic bough]

The tank one that is a haste stick

[loud locust]

trash

[glass mortar]

oh so just give up a dps trinket slot to try to die less to ks

[runic bough]

Yes exactly

[glass mortar]

thats not a hack

[runic bough]

But are you dead or alive?

[glass mortar]

alive mostly

[runic bough]

[glass mortar]

but thats because i ethically hold my kspree if i think itll kill me because im not zac

i dont need to do 100% maximum theoretical dps to time my 14s

that poor guys can take all the suffering

[runic bough]

Okay so maybe ud get to not hold it as much with bomb

[glass mortar]

dont think not holding it occasionaly would make up for not having a whole dps trinket slot

[runic bough]

And ud be able to put less haste in other slots

[glass mortar]

wait it gives permanent haste?

[runic bough]

Yes

[glass mortar]

does it not have agi?

[runic bough]

No its haste stick

[glass mortar]

no agi on a trinket in aoe and its not a dps trinket

[runic bough]

And it does an aoe when bomb expires

Think we can dinar the mythic bomb

Its an early raid boss

[solar basalt]

Why is the bee trinket sim so high, it’s around 1.3% of my overall dmg

[glass mortar]

cause trinkets suk

1.3% sounds abit low tho

should probably be closer to 2%, maybe a bad kill timer?

[solar basalt]

It’s a fully upgraded myth one too

[runic bough]

I wouldnt bother using it

[glass mortar]

it does the same dps as our best trinket in aoe (vexie) but its much more annoying to use

[runic bough]

Also trinkets suck anyways I bet the bombsuit wouldn't lower dps that much

[raven condor]

hack in the sense of "this guys a hack" lmao

[chilly dagger]

I had ps macrod for the abberus trinket with 3 charges in dragonflight. Didn't realize and thought I was bugged into my coup flying my through mobs when I took bee trink

[raven condor]

RIP.

Macro it with KS though - stonks

[glass mortar]

yea i mean its probably like 3-4%

but holding ks occasionally is also probably around that so

🤷

[runic bough]

And ud be alive with bombsuit

[glass mortar]

alot of the times u die to kspree ur not exactly dying to small overkill

i think ur vastly overestimating how much that trinker would save u

in most of zacs clips hes probably dying to taking 3X his hp pool from a hit

or more

[runic bough]

Its another 9mil hp so

[glass mortar]

thats a little less then 1X ur hp pool

[runic bough]

Maybe we could get healed

[random stirrup]

anyone have a video of all the pistol shot glyphs

[glass mortar]

its 1 shots

[runic bough]

With feint it might not be a 1 shot

With stagger

And double life bar

Triple life bar if you pot

[glass mortar]

ok

[runic bough]

[glass mortar]

i mean go try it if it sounds so good

i dont think anyone else isgunna be interested

in playing a tank trinket

[runic bough]

Break the meta incoming

Need to see how much dmg bombsuit does in big pulls

While also protecting us from stuffs

[vivid vessel]

you really need to stop cooking ryuk

[runic bough]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-man-avenger-robert-downey-jr-ready-gif-13471551

Prepare bombsuit

[raven condor]

Blizzard certainly aint

So someone has to

lmao

[runic bough]

Yeah they even said it

They have no focus on class tuning

So there's that

[raven condor]

well they cant change shit with mdi going on rn right

And ks is closer to a bugfix than a tune

[runic bough]

Nah that's a rework

Or removal

I wouldnt call it a fix

[raven condor]

Trickster just needs to not rely on it

[glass mortar]

thats a very major hero tree rework angle

[fossil lintel]

Is Ryu back to outlaw already?

[glass mortar]

probably just fix kspree

[daring oxide]

just copy paste woxtoxic ks fix

easy

one line code change for spell data

delete teleport

easy

[runic bough]

Well im still better at outlaw. I didn't learn sin in one day lol. Taking some time still.

[fossil lintel]

If you can play outlaw decently you can probably learn sin in a day

[daring oxide]

that might be the problem

just kidding

[runic bough]

Applying bleeds is different though need practice

Outlaw just goes fast apm

[raven condor]

dot tracking is shit tier

[daring oxide]

im pretty sure rupture has auto spread

and you just press crimson tempest to dot everything

[runic bough]

Also sin slow running like snail priest

So

Die from stuff

[raven condor]

yeah no hook is toxic

[fossil lintel]

Only for a few secs after coming out of stealth

[runic bough]

Outlaw can run out of things ez

[fossil lintel]

It is slow though

[runic bough]

Sin your like, shit that mechanic is gonna hit me

And you can't do anything

[daring oxide]

huh

[runic bough]

[daring oxide]

what

theres nothing in this game you cant walk out of

sin has step and 1min cd sprint

its good

[runic bough]

Like rik swirlies if your shadowstep is on cd, they move pretty fast.

[daring oxide]

more than most classes

[runic bough]

Or the fire from last boss brew

[daring oxide]

eh

[fossil lintel]

Eh

[daring oxide]

just step like 2 pixels out of the way

[runic bough]

Sin runspeed is slower than those moving swirlies

[fossil lintel]

I picked up frost dk

[daring oxide]

are we playing different games or

[fossil lintel]

Plenty you can't walk out of

[daring oxide]

just hold w

[runic bough]

Vai maybe your just more pro then me?

[daring oxide]

u can shadowstep mouseover

to teammates

u have 2 charges

its faster than grapple

[fossil lintel]

Dks move at negative speed man, you need to backpedal to move forward

[runic bough]

Ye for real lol

Dk sprint doesn't even feel like a speed increase

[daring oxide]

DK is op for its own reasons

it ignores mechanics

with deaths advance

it was literally giga busted last tier because of it

just immortal

max uptime

[fossil lintel]

Good thing, cause if it had to come back from a knockback the fight would be over by the time the DK gets there

[random stirrup]

I think if you specifically need to go somewhere where your teammates/enemies are not rogue is kinda slow outside of outlaw

the example this tier would be a far sprocket mine

if u dont have sprint up

the other 2 specs are cooked

[daring oxide]

have sprint ready

step back

[random stirrup]

would genuinely rather be on priest

[daring oxide]

i think these things just need planning

and is solved once

[random stirrup]

yes well

[runic bough]

And priest is the slowest in game -50% movespeed

[random stirrup]

if people die and you get an unusual mine

[daring oxide]

ok its true

[fossil lintel]

DK feels slower than priest tbh

[daring oxide]

going from outlaw to sin

yes much slower

but i think sin is better than most classes ofc

not talking mages etc

but sprint and double step is nice

[runic bough]

Yeah so going from outlaw to sin, you can see I have to lower my movement speed awareness now

[daring oxide]

sin is uptime neutral in a way

so it doesn't need the extreme mobility outlaw has

which is the opposite

any downtime

[runic bough]

I mean, increase my awareness foe movement things

Due to outlaw being able to move out way faster

[daring oxide]

well the advantage outlaw has

it can grapple out last gcd

before mechanic hits

otherwise you just move out normally

[glass mortar]

outlaw definitly leads to some mobility brain

[daring oxide]

its nothing difficult honestly

[glass mortar]

cause

[runic bough]

Or dodge moving mechanics with move speed as well

[glass mortar]

perma sprint

perma grapple

xd

[daring oxide]

yeah

if you are an outlaw one trick

going to other specs is absolutely brain breaking

[runic bough]

Yes

[daring oxide]

you feel like grandad

but

[runic bough]

Fr fr

[daring oxide]

you dont need outlaw mobility to survive mechanics

just need eyes and memory

like sprocket for example

you barely move really

unless you have to soak a mine

so you just save sprint for those moments

and you get knocked back or take gateway

during intermissions

but in reality

you barely ever move from boss

[random stirrup]

I think the specific incident was sprinting during the 3:10 swap to other side

and then getting a mine

[daring oxide]

if you are assigned to that

[random stirrup]

and then being miserable

[daring oxide]

thats a bit rip

for any melee really

sounds like a mage job to me

[random stirrup]

ye think they were floor pov

was pretty rare

[daring oxide]

oh right haha

yeah

i get you

[random stirrup]

but ya if you for whatever reason can't get a step target

[daring oxide]

i had one before but on sprocket you play fatebound...

kinda cheating with 4xGrapples

[random stirrup]

I would say non-outlaw rogue is prob the worst

other than dk/pala maybe

of the melee

[runic bough]

Can shadowstep cast on objects or just friendlies and targets?

How are u saying to shadowstep to mine if nobody is there Vai

[daring oxide]

sprint

[runic bough]

[daring oxide]

to mine

step back

use brain

[runic bough]

Yes

Ok

But if no sprint then your chicken dinner

[daring oxide]

mechanics are scripted on sprocket

timers exist

mythic raid requires a bit of planning

[glass mortar]

what else r u sprinting on sprocket

[runic bough]

Yes I get the timer thing

[daring oxide]

you arent using sprint

on sprocket

for nothing

but mines

[glass mortar]

only movement on that whole fight is going to mine, getting to boss in intermission

[runic bough]

In a perfect world yes not all of us mis-click

[glass mortar]

everything else is just slowly following the boss

[daring oxide]

i mean if you mis-click that is

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[runic bough]

Yep

[daring oxide]

only god can help you

[runic bough]

When im learning new spec

[random stirrup]

not that it really matters for the discussion, but my specific example was to maintain melee uptime during the 3:10 move

and then getting a mine since a lot of ranged were dead

[daring oxide]

yeah those are just unusual circumstances

[runic bough]

I tend to misclick a lot learning new specs just saying

[random stirrup]

I agree that otherwise

[daring oxide]

my sprint hotkey is the same across all 3 specs

[random stirrup]

sprint isnt used on sprocket

[runic bough]

But after learning you shouldn't misclick sure

[daring oxide]

same for evasion

cloak

or any other general rogue utility

are you changing all your hotkeys/keybind entirely between specs

[runic bough]

Same

No

I put shadowstep where hook is as well

[daring oxide]

fair

maybe pfc issue then

common in the younger generations

gotta ZOOOOOOOOOOm

[runic bough]

Well still hesitating on the keybinds and that leads to misclicks during learning new specs for me

Outlaw is hardly any misclicks now

Rare

Because it's so much muscle memory now

[daring oxide]

i have all my utilities like evasion, cloak, feint, sprint, kick on my razer naga mouse

on the 6 mouse buttons on the side

[runic bough]

Yeah that's nice

[daring oxide]

makes it easy to manage

[runic bough]

My pistol shot and cloak use the same modifier

So I used to waste a lot of cloaks

Now I'm pretty good not to waste cloak

My cloak is bottom thumb mouse click

Pistol shot is shift and that same button

[daring oxide]

i use a Razer Tartrus Pro as well when playing wow for my keyboard hand

[random stirrup]

shift for pistol shot

i don't like modifiers for buttons I press often

[runic bough]

Its all of my shooting skills

[daring oxide]

ye same

i only use modifiers for things like

[fathom bramble]

I have no modifiers at all

[daring oxide]

pot bind, trinket binds, etc

[late swallow]

modifiers are for cooldowns

[runic bough]

I put bte on 1 press

[random stirrup]

ye modifiers are for cooldowns

[daring oxide]

i use Q for RTB and E for ADR 😄

G for Grapple

[fathom bramble]

actually I have 1 modifier bind and it's for on use engineering belt

[late swallow]

E for ADR is just crazy

[runic bough]

[late swallow]

you're crazy bro!!!!!

i have shift-j for ADR

[random stirrup]

keybind check

[runic bough]

J

[daring oxide]

my favourite binds are z, x, c, v, b

[fathom bramble]

okay now shift J is crazy

having anything on J is crazy

[runic bough]

Isn't j is so far

[daring oxide]

yeah J is so far wtf

[late swallow]

i'm just kiddding lol J is fucked

[daring oxide]

i cant do that

[runic bough]

[daring oxide]

it has to be around my WASD keys

do you have salad fingers or what

[late swallow]

my farthest binds are t/g/v

[runic bough]

He's got a happy gf im sure

[random stirrup]

just stretch the finger bruh

[daring oxide]

my furthest is B but thats for something i barely press, kidney shot xd

[random stirrup]

my snd is on k

[fathom bramble]

is tricks on T?

[daring oxide]

for me yes xD

[late swallow]

T is cloak

[daring oxide]

C is cloak for me

im an alphabet guy

though my crimson vial is Z

[late swallow]

crimson vial is X for me

we're close

[fathom bramble]

should put vial on V

[daring oxide]

X is for Healthpot

[late swallow]

V is blind for me

[runic bough]

Blind is shift mouse

Distract is scroll button on mouse

[daring oxide]

i would but V is a really nice easy key to press so I use it for trinket

(shift V for 2nd on use)

[fathom bramble]

F5-8, grapple, feint, pistol shot, and damage potion are all on the mouse

[runic bough]

F keys ?

[daring oxide]

clean

[runic bough]

How do u reach f keys bro

[fathom bramble]

idk

[late swallow]

grapple is wheel up? that's what I use!

[fathom bramble]

hand size diff

[vivid vessel]

idk how you guys do it

[deep cedar]

what the fuck is WU?

[daring oxide]

some keyboards have the F keys right next to numbers

[vivid vessel]

i can barely reach the 4

[runic bough]

[vivid vessel]

no kidding btw

[fathom bramble]

wheel up

[daring oxide]

i used to use F keys on my old keyboard

[fathom bramble]

WD is wheel down

[vivid vessel]

i missclick 3 when i press 4 sometimes

[daring oxide]

oh

[late swallow]

wheel up for grapple is fucking based

[vivid vessel]

i have giga huge hands

[daring oxide]

mouse wheel is zoom for me

[deep cedar]

F8 is just insane

[daring oxide]

😄

[late swallow]

it's not about distance though, it's just about ergonomics of the keys

3 is a shit button

1/2/4 are better

and q and e

[vivid vessel]

i said i missclick 3 when i press 4

its about distance

[runic bough]

I have hook on shift w

[random stirrup]

3 is a goated button

1 is shit

[late swallow]

3 sucks so hard it's unreal bro stop the cap

[frank finch]

3 is my bte

[vivid vessel]

i missclick all my buttons when its more than 1 row/collum distance from wasd

[runic bough]

Hook on shift w so I can press it and continue to run if needed on press

[red zinc]

E goated button

[daring oxide]

what do you use for zooms?

[frank finch]

its a goated keybind

[late swallow]

E is the fucking GOAT

[daring oxide]

E is the best up

[red zinc]

undefeated

[late swallow]

q/e/r

[daring oxide]

and Q

[random stirrup]

your middle finger literally naturally rests on w which is between 2-3

how is it bad

[daring oxide]

for me Q is always universally a big cooldown

[fathom bramble]

I don't often zoom in and out so it is just on page up/down lol

[frank finch]

e is my kick lol

[daring oxide]

thats a good shout actually

[runic bough]

My kick is S

[daring oxide]

freeing the mouse wheel is two free keybinds

[runic bough]

I dont backpedel

[daring oxide]

wtf

my mind is blown

[late swallow]

real gamers don't even bind w a s d

to movement I mean

(i can't play like that)

[runic bough]

I kick so fast other people didn't see the cast. Because it's S key

[fathom bramble]

did you happen to also have revealing strike on wheel up?

I just slotted in PS where my revealing use to be when combat got reworked

and never changed it

[late swallow]

oh wait I got your binds mixed up

you've got grapple on ctrl-z?

or is that a mouse button

[fathom bramble]

Wait you said grapple and I just read it as ps

Gg

[late swallow]

yeah I goofed

I got mouseover moment on mousehweel up

like leap/grapple/DH leap

[hollow temple]

u spam 4?

that would feel so unnatural to me

[fathom bramble]

I had it on ctrl z for a bit and bound it to my mouse too, but never hit ctrl z anymore

[runic bough]

How do you zoom in and out in blizzard fucks the viewing angles? They like to make small rooms.

[hollow temple]

ctrl+WU/WD

[fathom bramble]

Simply adapt to not being able to see

[hollow temple]

but you rarely ever need to zoom in/out in combat tbh

[random stirrup]

no chance you just said 4 is weird

[runic bough]

You can't use hook If your zoomed out too much

[random stirrup]

and then said ctrl wu/wd

[late swallow]

4 is good

3 is bad

[runic bough]

[random stirrup]

i zoom often

[hollow temple]

i said SPAMMING 4 would feel unnatural

[random stirrup]

sometimes u need the fidelity

[red zinc]

i press 6

[late swallow]

6 is just crazy

[fathom bramble]

What other key would you make the prime spam one

[hollow temple]

i use 4 for 30sec-1.30 abilities usually

[runic bough]

Yeah I stop at 5 also

[hollow temple]

i spam builders on 1

[random stirrup]

my bte is 5

[fathom bramble]

2 and 4 have to be the best options for it

[red zinc]

my kir is S4

[fathom bramble]

I don’t like 1 for something often pressed idk

[hollow temple]

1 for strike 3 for dispatch

[late swallow]

timmy's keyboard

[runic bough]

[random stirrup]

true

that's why its my gs

[hollow temple]

my bte is on 2