zac why the fk do you press bf so little in your keys
#outlaw
final sluice
hes stuck in bossfights for ages
vivid vessel
I try to play around it the best i can
but
it does mean
sometimes you sit on bf
a lot
it is what iti s
when that hppaens generally uo are hyper rolling anwyay so whatever
frank finch
zac were can i get ur ub tracker
red zinc
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
red zinc
wtf
vivid vessel
just extract it from my pack
red zinc
Can someone extract it for me
vivid vessel
just for you black
red zinc
I dont want to give zac ad revenue on his WA
vivid vessel
imo its kinda goated no cap 
latent oak
zac rollilng in the wago money
red zinc
gladly
lime lake
glasly
lime lake
red zinc
Who could’ve thought that the industrial revolution would lead to glorp
frank finch
lol yes
glass mortar
when that hppaens generally uo are hyper rolling anwyay so whatever
deft would be so sick if it gave bf 2 charges
and ud notice it more
with trickster imo
could save up 2 charges for crackshots
basically ensure a full window in aoe
vivid vessel
ye
glass mortar
we used to have 2 charge bf
bring it back
😠
also make deft proc cto
i want deft to be good on ho
glass mortar
well no
red zinc
like its fine for gameplay but idk what law is supposed to be at a certain point anymore
random stirrup
I just noticed my KIR build has been running improved ambush for the last 2 weeks
glass mortar
wouldnt change anything for baseline builds
random stirrup
glass mortar
OOF
remote pike
for stix mythic, what do you guys remove to get precise cuts
strong cargo
for HO, cto
digital linden
for kir i think its just 1 fth rank
tight kernel
What’s a good way to sim for bandit
strong cargo
just sim st I guess
remote pike
guys, i tried to sim gems, and it went nuts! i'm just making sure that this is indeed the way to go? even with the gem embellishment x2?
like i thought it was better to go for different types/colors
glass mortar
the gem embellishment doesnt care what type of gems u have
as long as u have at least 1 non meta gem
vivid vessel
guys, i tried to sim gems, and it went nuts! i'm just making sure that this is i...
you dont have the crit gem selected btw
glass mortar
all the procs do the same damage its just flavor
remote pike
you dont have the crit gem selected btw
Oh, does that actually ruin the sim you reckon? I have it in my necklace
remote pike
all the procs do the same damage its just flavor
I'm ashamed to say that I read it completely wrong then. I thought it scaled with the more colors you had or some garbage
glass mortar
nah
but u do need to give the sim the ability to equip crit gem and a gem of each flavor to sim it properly
idk if it works without the force setting? maybe its better then it was
remote pike
Yeah, I kinda just didn't give it the ability because i knew it was obviously supposed to be at least 1
but i understand why that is a bad idea now
glass mortar
yea i mean u could probably take away that any extra gem slots past ur one of each color should be that gem now
remote pike
I'll just sim again to be absolutely sure before i splurge on changing all gems
thank you guys, sorry for all the spam
stuck timber
guys can I ask something?
wintry solar
No
runic bough
Hi Alper do you want to ask a question?
high parrot
is it cool to send low cp coup if your unseen blade is off cd? so you send like a 3cp coup then instantly get a stack of escalating?
stuck timber
should I treat overcharged combo points as 3 combo points and cast my finisher at +5
gaunt phoenix
no you finish normally
remote pike
but u do need to give the sim the ability to equip crit gem and a gem of each fl...
Gah so I don't understand. Should I try to force it to max out the algari diamond bonus? Surely it has to be better than just spamming the same gems?
gaunt phoenix
7cp becomes 10cp
stuck timber
that is what I do rn
gaunt phoenix
you can just force the unique gem and multi color
dont overthink it, gems are 0.2% dps
glass mortar
u might need to force it and just compare overall dps to the dps of all of one gem
but im pretty sure the crit gem is worth for everyone still
gaunt phoenix
glass mortar
so just make the sim force
gaunt phoenix
do this
remote pike
the mast 3 is required to chose?
gaunt phoenix
do this
remote pike
kk
gaunt phoenix
and never think about gems agian
daring yoke
Guys i hv a dumb question. With trickster tree. Do i have to cast tricks before every pull or just once per run
daring yoke
Omg nice. Ive been casting every pull cuz the tooltip confuses the fk out of me
remote pike
it will show up as a 60 minute buff so its super nice
final sluice
u often need to recast it after certain intermissions in dungeons - when tank was in an vehicle for example
high parrot
wow i think i might be the only person in this discord that the robot told not to run pacemaker
final sluice
No me2
high parrot
its said vexi and minecart are best then vexi and remnant THEN pacemaker
IM DIFFERENT!!
final sluice
Depends on your crit and Vers stats
high parrot
oh shit so as my gear gets more optimized its gonna lean towards or away from the pacey boi
final sluice
Yep
I mean since damage trinkets scale with vers - more vers means they get more value (partly with crit also) - also crit at a certain point does nothing to your bte with certain rolls since your bte will allready do 100% crit
that makes crit a bit worse at some point
high parrot
i knew about the bte thing but thats only 20% i got that already
damn now i gotta bump up all the ilvls in the sim
then we will see
final sluice
For me best is junkmaster + geargrinder
pacemaker is a 2k loss in dungeon slice (so margin of error)
in big pulls obviously pacemaker will perform better than junkmaster - but I like to 1. abuse it and 2. the ability to have on demand burst specally in floodgate or rookery. However in other dungeons even though it sims worse pacemaker is probably better - like priory.
chilly dagger
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cQxfW2Dkt84NC7jd?fight=last&type=casts&source=1 i think progress. more adr uptime and more ambushes
digital linden
is it unlucky to not get lucky coin until the end of a boss fight?
pastel sierra
Real answers yes
steady crane
with 651 ilvl, around 2M-2M8 dps overall is great? (for m+)
digital linden
i got a coin flip 7 times in a row many times according to the log
pastel sierra
I did find an early cauldron hc kill where i got no lucky coin for the whole 4.30min fight
So
digital linden
5 minutes is crazy
mythic sprocket
first 15 seconds i got 7 of the same in a row i can only believe what this 90 log would look like
digital linden
but is it common or did i get giga unlucky 😭
pastel sierra
Just to immediately drop it bc of forced downtime
digital linden
i dont remember ever thinking about it that much in m+
pastel sierra
That outcome is as likely as any other specific outcome
But it is an outlier in how long it takes to get the buff
lyric steeple
how big of a difference is HO vs KIR in keys
sick rain
this is hilarious lol
digital linden
its a travesty
sick rain
this is the fantasy we want!
pastel sierra
If you want to gamble you have to know how to lose right
copper radish
do we get 1 charge a week now
digital linden
all in all fun experience 10/10
plain halo
Is there a difference in the crafted sword, mace or axe ? The dps is the same, but the damage ranges vary for each one
brave grove
what is better to craft a chest or doing a neck?
hollow temple
what is better to craft a chest or doing a neck?
That’s generally going to vary based on your current gear
fathom bramble
Is there a difference in the crafted sword, mace or axe ? The dps is the same, b...
no not in any real way
the different min-mix damage can result in one weapon being better by a meaningless amount due to rounding at certain ilvls, but we don't care about the different damage variance
and the rounding is not a meaningful thing to care about
brave grove
That’s generally going to vary based on your current gear
both are 671 everything else is mythic or crafted
i dont know if i trust sims atm
final sluice
Never Trust Sims. 👍
fathom bramble
generally chest is more damage per ilvl
raven condor
holy shit LMAO, Wox yelling "I'm dead" whenever he has a risky ks in the mdi runs is sending me
stuck timber
guys heres some stupid question, I know we do aoe with bladeflurry but I want to see the abilities that actually do damage and how much they hit but because of blade flurry they are too little in details and I dont really understand little numbers is there a way to exclude blade flurry?
vapid blaze
holy shit LMAO, Wox yelling "I'm dead" whenever he has a risky ks in the mdi run...
healers hate this trick
analog fog
😅
raven condor
healers hate this trick
Gonna be to blame for ortemis' eventual heart condition 
vapid blaze
nah but healers actually heal more if you are "dead
vapid blaze
just try it yourself 😛
copper radish
its been 2 seasons finally did an echo for coffer keys lol
unborn verge
!macro
ornate heathBOT
Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.
raven condor
clearly just get a foot pedal for gs
optimal
right foot gs left foot kir
double kicks
frail veldt
holy shit LMAO, Wox yelling "I'm dead" whenever he has a risky ks in the mdi run...
everyone knows yelling "I'm dead" is the strongest defensive in the game
and every spec has access to it
its great
grim spear
“Pikachu, dodge it!”
gaunt phoenix
frank finch
oh damn banger thread thx
raven condor
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/killing-spree-fix-concept/2088489
No blue response yet :c
Wox left on read by the devs
cinder oxide
started mugzee tonight
want to make sure i maximize my killing spree terrorism
tips? already bricked a swap and melted innocent bystanders with the tank frontal thing
shell fossil
latent belfry
started mugzee tonight
want to make sure i maximize my killing spree terrorism
...
You have enough time to use Ks during the intermission when he’s about to charge if your confident enough
wanton parcel
is there a way to fix details so it doesnt say bladeflurry is all my dps
gaunt phoenix
im not sure what you mean
wanton parcel
let me get a screen shot
latent belfry
I mean technically that is the full breakdown, bf just makes your single target attacks hit surrounding enemies for some % of dmg
wanton parcel
it just puts its all into BF
its kinda hard to see the true break down of what i did
gaunt phoenix
that is your damage tho
like BTE is 11% of your dmg in a key
what else would it be
royal hollow
of course you cant see with those emma's thighs around your head
i think he meant he wanna see which spell of his contirbuted to how much of bf
latent belfry
Isn’t it always majority BTE
cloud thunder
are crafted items on sim stil broken?
unkempt cypress
Removing whoever is the reason y ks exists would be a better long term solution
wanton parcel
i think he meant he wanna see which spell of his contirbuted to how much of bf
correct
royal hollow
thats not possible i think
i mean everything bf anyway
so u can just ignore the BF bar
royal hollow
ignore the BF bar and it will kinda look like what you want to see
woven thicket
Just turn KS into an animation locked Reaper ult, spin while shooting your pistols and slashing with your swords. And just allow us to move while it happens like DH's do during Blade Dance
umbral verge
Ks deleted surely
uncut stratus
would a dps DH have the same loot table as a rogue? as far as trinkets are concerned
icy cedar
hmm only ilvl 683 at the end of my turboooo boosting
need myth track weps and chest qq
frail veldt
im not sure what you mean
Ive actually wanted this for a while
like a way to hide bladeflurry damage and show the rest of the damage redistributed
so that instead of bte saying 11% it shows bte at like 35% or whatever it would be in ST
just increases the resolution for other spells so you dont see 10 different damage sources all at 2% without any precision
Like attribute the damage that BtE does even through bladeflurry back to bte
and bladeflurry would then be a sub section of bte
hollow temple
would a dps DH have the same loot table as a rogue? as far as trinkets are conce...
Yeah as long as they don’t change their loot spec to veng
frail veldt
so every ability you have that flurries would have a break down of how much was st and how much was bladeflurried
so itd look something more like this(very shitty mspaint job)
like between the eyes would have a breakdown of how much of it flurried
and same with all the other things
stoic flicker
!log
frail veldt
It would help for the details breakdown to be alittle less misleading for non flurrying stuff
like shadow quake being 2.4% damage and KS being 4% doesnt mean that shadow quake did over half as much damage as KS
cuz KS at 4% doesnt include all the flurry damage that KS did
also it might highlight things like KS's flurry damage not being as high as other abilities due to the teleporting in and out of range
the insight would be interesting
but idk if theres even any way to determine that through the combat log like if the bladeflurry damage contains info from its source
tulip jewel
doubt it, would need to correlate a lot of events that aren't linked in any way in cleu
in logs sure
fathom bramble
BF remembering skill name, crit status, and damage type is the dream
fleet knot
is someone interested in helping me understand better what I do wrong with my outlaw Ho gameplay, I have a log ?
frail veldt
is someone interested in helping me understand better what I do wrong with my ou...
use the !log command
fleet knot
!log
uncut stratus
how to properly weapon swap?
its telling me cant do that right now, cant change gear in key
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Gallywix's Iron Thumb```
This is my macrogally wep
fathom bramble
Gallywix's iron thumb can't be swapped in keys
hollow temple
can't swap it
uncut stratus
what the fuck
fathom bramble
blizzard sometimes makes cantrip weapons unswappable
for some reason they did it to the gally one and not nightfall or mugzee
uncut stratus
well between gallywix thumb and nightfall cudgel, which one would yall pick?
or is it not that big of a dps loss?
fathom bramble
cudgel is probably more overall damage in a dungeon
tulip jewel
for 5% aoe from cudgel
fathom bramble
ideally you want a crafted or something to swap to for bosses
uncut stratus
oh ok yeah i can do that then
fathom bramble
crafted or 2nd boss weapon
south scaffold
guys, simple question. why do people use a crafted chest? i mean, the tierset has versa.
The tier shoulders for example have no versa at all, why we dont craft shoulders instead?
frail veldt
guys, simple question. why do people use a crafted chest? i mean, the tierset ha...
The tier set has mastery
Vers is our best stat and mastery is by far our worst
But mastery is more bad than vers is good usually
If that makes sense
south scaffold
yeah ok. but i am not cooked if chest is my only myth item? i mean, better then nothing? lol
frail veldt
That's fine
You can swap quite a few slots out of tier
They all can work depending on what gear you have
Chest legs or gloves all can be swapped I think
fathom bramble
shoulder and chest are very close in near bis setups
chest is just more mastery than shoulder so crafted chest does win out in absolute bis
and a lot of people crafted gear around that even though they may have been better off crafting shoulders for their situations
there's good shoulders and chest from M+ that people could have potentially taken instead of crafting on a tierslot at all as well
stoic flicker
cudgel is probably more overall damage in a dungeon
How do you play with cudgel? Do you need to tab target swap between all the mobs in a pack or is that not how it works?
fathom bramble
blade flurry will trigger cudgel for you
you will have to move around a bit to trigger it on all mobs though since BF only hits the nearest 7
a circle around the pack should do it in most cases
stoic flicker
Oh ok cool, ty
wicked kestrel
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Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
marsh shore
the sim diff for kezan vs mechano core is about 7k dps in favor of kezan, but would the mechano core in reality be preferred in m+? I'm only doing keys in the 10-12 area atm on the rogue
tender wedge
For that range def mechano, in reality Kazan would fall off too much
thorn river
Is it worth to craft legs ? Dont have mythic set legs yet and sims say its 100k dps increase, but idk if its a waste if i get myth tier legs
lime lake
you have uncapped gildeds and more sparks than you can reasonably use
fluid crown
How bad is mastery / crit for outlaw if I just wanna run my assa set for some OL keys?
sick rain
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ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
final grail
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ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
runic bough
if u get the double stat that makes it 2x89 = 178x10 = 1780 random stat vs x2 vers embelishments at 1500
its just better to get duskthread
split jolt
How bad is mastery / crit for outlaw if I just wanna run my assa set for some OL...
when i swapped from assa to outlaw i simmed recrafting my crafts and it was around 3% iirc
depends on HO vs KiR as well i suppose as different haste breakpoints
runic bough
sin gear will not have enough haste for KIR
too bad writhing armor banding doesnt double blessed weapon grip
would be nice
blissful idol
is mechano core amplifier decent if u got no other options?
red zinc
if u get the double stat that makes it 2x89 = 178x10 = 1780 random stat vs x2 ve...
Duskthread wouldnt have permanent uptime
feral glen
This has been fixed tonight (eu)
fleet knot
are you guys playing with normal spell que window or a modified one :?
rotund zodiac
are you guys playing with normal spell que window or a modified one :?
Mine is 400
proven ocean
are you guys playing with normal spell que window or a modified one :?
Sup meeres
Yes modified one :?
100-200 is the best if ur good at the game
obtuse hollow
lock n stalk is simming extremely well for my character, is it something that will scale down as i gear up?
i assuming i should still pick up hotline with my dinar?
sharp sand
Anyone notice a difference between 17% haste and 20 with HO build
rotund zodiac
lock n stalk is simming extremely well for my character, is it something that wi...
What is your haste?
gaunt phoenix
lock n stalk is simming extremely well for my character, is it something that wi...
Locknstalk can look good if your haste is too low
but also raidbots has been having issues with the new item levels, 5% from any trinket sounds impossibly high
unless your current trinkets are total ass
also, thug hotline is not really worth it
it is a good trinket though not really different than magnet or geargrinder
In keys the gooners staying in combat will bug out the nightfall mace
pliant wind
a target with the debuff of ghostly strike receives more from BF too? or only if its your target?
so if i need to interrupt, i need to change back to the one with the debuff?
mighty pivot
it doesn't buff the passive cleave damage, it might (edit: it does) buff the damage BF does on cast
using focus/mouseover targeting makes this a non-issue assuming both targets are in range
marsh shore
is it generally better to upgrade main stat pieces over jewelry?
hollow temple
is it generally better to upgrade main stat pieces over jewelry?
generally speaking yeah
daring oxide
also, thug hotline is not really worth it
I agree with this, thug hotty is so inconsistent, some pulls it literally just afks
daring oxide
it is a good trinket though not really different than magnet or geargrinder
I think geargrinder and magnet are the best, but its just more effort for some who dont like extra keybinds
tidal sequoia
pliant wind
main gauche power
marsh shore
new mastery haste build tech
late swallow
someone mentioned a mastery rework for outlaw in the works
proper kiln
hey! do you guys fin HO and KiR really similar in keys? sims says they are but want to ask before i recraft to HO so i don't need to read my tanks mind for KiR.
modern dune
hey guys. is this a whole buff now ? so we dont need to refresh every pull ?
dense bolt
hasty warren
https://tenor.com/view/on-fire-cowboy-shooting-gun-gif-15317612
gsw
late swallow
I want to shoot more
me to my doctor explaining that my loads are too small
red zinc
hey! do you guys fin HO and KiR really similar in keys? sims says they are but w...
Why would you need to read your tanks mind to play kir
unkempt dew
Maybe he is a undercover shadow priest
late swallow
Why would you need to read your tanks mind to play kir
so you know when your tank is sad or having doubts
and you can send encouraging messages
or dhar mann videos
mighty pivot
just always send encouraging messages tbh. Bad pull that leads to wipe? No problem, just say "nice pull :)" and move on
late swallow
just always send encouraging messages tbh. Bad pull that leads to wipe? No probl...
i like to balance out kindness with a healthy level of toxicity
normalize being rude, manipulative, and abusive tbh
shut lichen
or dhar mann videos
those still exist?
late swallow
those still exist?
like and subscribe
late swallow
35m views jesus
steady crane
hi, is that okay to use low CP on killing spree just to avoid the "RNG-death" ?
for example in Darkflame the candle king is a pain
gaunt phoenix
hi, is that okay to use low CP on killing spree just to avoid the "RNG-death" ? ...
yes you can low cp ks if you fear death, have to on that boss
vivid vine
are we just rolling on cd till we get like 3-4 buffs? or is there somewhere that shows a priority?
gaunt phoenix
the HO is rolling on CD unless you have 4 buffs active
steady crane
yes you can low cp ks if you fear death, have to on that boss
ok thank you! 🙂
copper radish
Gotta do 6 runs of 12/13s later and I think I’ll hit 3k for that sick black and red shredder mount
shut lichen
bruh
fallen knot
shut lichen
he deleted it and all that
lime plank
Morning everyone. I am looking to return to rogue how is outlaw looking right now for m+ with the player base?
fallen knot
outlaw does fine, it's kind oftilting because you die from killing spree, but deals nice damage
hollow temple
delete this message and you get a free dm from me
fallen knot
if you dont want to tilt out of this world play sin
fallen knot
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Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
fallen knot
anyone have a weakaura for reminding to swap weapons on trash
ok it's not here but there is one yes
nocturne lantern
Raidbots shows me losing DPS by switching to Capo's Molten Knuckles (665) instead of Everforged Longsword (675) and NIghtfall Cudgel (658). Does it make sense?
gaunt phoenix
can you link it?
nocturne lantern
civic void
think you didnt set the enchant
It's still losing to the unenchanted sword tho
nocturne lantern
yea I used the unchentad one in the comparison because of it
didnt know we could enchant the comparison items
civic void
But anyway I thought it wasn't necessarily a surprise that it would lose to a higher ilvl MH on non ST sims
nocturne lantern
its weird because both wowhead and icy veins recommend that as the item to get with the cartel chips
but I guess that's not the case for me
gaunt phoenix
It's still losing to the unenchanted sword tho
The sword is main hand
civic void
Yeah ? I understood him as asking why replacing that sword by capo is a dps loss, am I wrong ?
gaunt phoenix
yeah if he is asking about main hand then highest ilvl main hand wins
civic void
its weird because both wowhead and icy veins recommend that as the item to get w...
But also your gear is pretty tragic, you have 0 haste for KiR so unsurprisingly the haste from your crafted weapon is super valuable
gaunt phoenix
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r4FT82b43txG19eBaxFFS3
Idk if i can explain this properly
for offhand
The capo is bis in raid
And the capo is bis for M+ bosses
but the cudgel is bis for M+ packs
you use a macro to swap offhands during keys
and you of course use crafted mainhand
nocturne lantern
But also your gear is pretty tragic, you have 0 haste for KiR so unsurprisingly ...
yea I know, im trying to get more haste. will craft both ring and neck with haste/vers now
got it solo
but do you think using the 3 chips for that macro swap is worth? maybe there's something that benefits me more at this time
trying to figure out what
vapid blaze
wouldnt u wanna use capos long term as mainhand
civic void
but do you think using the 3 chips for that macro swap is worth? maybe there's s...
Depends on the content you do ngl, if you have access to myth track trinket they can be better than using dinars on a heroic capo, especially if you plan only on doing m+
golden sage
Does The Flame Burns Eternal already ends?
nocturne lantern
Im planning on doing m+ only
gaunt phoenix
dinar value for Outlaw is low in general
nocturne lantern
So no access to myth track trinkets realistically
gaunt phoenix
it's either capo or trinkets, and we have lots of good trinkets
civic void
I think in that case I would probably dinars a good enough trinket from m+ but idk
gaunt phoenix
So no access to myth track trinkets realistically
you can buy mythic track M+ trinkets if you do all +12s
civic void
Either way it's not a big deal between capo or those imo
shadow wadi
Do you know the Wow TWW macro for dmg m+? Where can I find the link?
nocturne lantern
i hope so hehe
trail flume
thank you solo i just started playing outlaw and just joined the discord and u already answered half my questions
without even asking
gaunt phoenix
gaunt phoenix
Do you know the Wow TWW macro for dmg m+? Where can I find the link?
macro?
honest osprey
Can dinars roll tertiarys
gaunt phoenix
do you mean a specific outlaw macro
shadow wadi
do you mean a specific outlaw macro
yes mean i
red zinc
Can dinars roll tertiarys
no
thorn river
Is it a waste to craft legs, no mythic tierpece yet, but sim say its 100k dps increase if i do
gaunt phoenix
its not a big deal tho preferrably chest/shoulders is your off piece
cuz those pieces are heavy mastery
thorn river
Yeah thats why im wondering , got myth tier chest and hero shoulder but the dps increase is insane
Just not lucky at stix or vault
gaunt phoenix
wasnt going to bug you cause i didnt try to determine what was wrong
gaunt phoenix
Yeah thats why im wondering , got myth tier chest and hero shoulder but the dps ...
can you link the sim
livid pewter
anyone have a weakaura for reminding to swap weapons on trash
i have one, but its not a reminder its just a pop up what u are using and u need to fill your own weapons in triggers
@kind otter https://wago.io/0_MwwMejx if thats enough for you
thorn river
can you link the sim
I can in 30 mins when i return from grocery's
nocturne lantern
Is there an easy way onnraidbots to know which gear to upgrade using crests?
gloomy coral
normalize being rude, manipulative, and abusive tbh
ur dum lol
gloomy coral
gaunt phoenix
Is there an easy way onnraidbots to know which gear to upgrade using crests?
your /simc does capture what crests you have and you can generate combinations of upgraded gear
in top gear i mean
can quickly balloon into a million combinations tho
just upgrade your weapons and hero track gear prob
hollow portal
gaunt phoenix
whats happening
late swallow
Zac is inting his 18 by playing outlaw
vivid vessel
true and real
fast axle
Boys any macro for ambush and snister strike ?
i want to always ambush only when iam out of invis use ss
wintry solar
We're gonna look back in 10 years and go "we actually liked that?" Because Outlaw will be soooo much better by then
Right @runic bough
gaunt phoenix
/cast [bonusbar:1, known: Hidden Opportunity] Ambush; Sinister Strike
wintry solar
If you squint hard enough from far enough away, you can spell hope with outlaw
gray lichen
u need more crit now than versa on outlaw?
gaunt phoenix
No most outlaws have over double vers rating than crit
hollow portal
16m pull omg outlaw pogger
unborn iron
why do we take shiv?
haughty moat
for sooth
unborn iron
just sooth? it doesn;t cause the mind numbing or atrophic poisons to be better?
serene cosmos
No
serene cosmos
BIG soothe
fast axle
Guys ambush have more value or Pistol?
haughty moat
ambush > pistolshot
serene cosmos
Ambush for damages, CtO and pistol shot proc
Pistol shot for Ambush Proc
And there's the loop
If you got the choice between both, you press ambush
Unless this
unkempt dew
What is the weapon swap macro?
haughty moat
pins
unkempt dew
Thanks!
fast axle
we have to keep press Roll teel we have 5 role ?
haughty moat
without cto yes
fast axle
CTO ?
haughty moat
count the odds
serene cosmos
Count The Odds
fast axle
Ahaa
serene cosmos
Tbh, read the faq
fast axle
sure
haughty moat
with cto you reroll when you are at 3 or less buffs
timber knoll
is simming crafted gear still not working
wicked acorn
Delete rogue
steady crane
someone got a streamer/video of a HO playeron high key?
haughty moat
woxtoxic on YT from 1 month ago
vapid sundial
someone got a streamer/video of a HO playeron high key?
wowtoxic or @vivid vessel
Just click link from his profile
haughty moat
zac doesnt play ho
vapid sundial
does he not
wtf
scammer
I guess its bc kir is more consistent with rolls
bc you can force?
and you dont get rng ass fucked as much
haughty moat
na he doesnt like ambush at all
azure vortex
should kir ar uptime be higher than ho ?
haughty moat
yeah its to ez for him for sure^^
frail veldt
I guess its bc kir is more consistent with rolls
It's cuz it's more fun too
haughty moat
trickster kir is just too much for me, iam old af LUL
frail veldt
Trickster KiR 1pt fth is pretty brutal
Hardest version of outlaw we've had
Imo at least
haughty moat
yeah
its fun, but unplayable for me in any content^^
i miss fatebound kir, that was my pace
steady crane
HO is rng ?
steady crane
I see !
frail veldt
Kir is just a lot harder
haughty moat
ho is more forgivable
steady crane
i'm feeling like doing "not that much damage" overall
sometime i understand why (death etc...)
but it's kinda hard to judge this spec
haughty moat
uptime and positioning is very important
steady crane
well sometime my AR fade because of mechanics that need me to get out of melee. Or even when i'm in melee
last dj i get 84% uptime on it (Darkflame)
haughty moat
ya darkflame stinks abit
quiet root
everything but candle king is fine in darkflame i feel like
maybe the stun guys after waxbeard
hybrid crown
You can stealth between bomb throws during the cart
If you mess up and don't hold adr
jade rapids
the weakaura that shows buffs that will get rerolled andunderstanding bladeflurry mechanics was the biggest dmg increase for me
raven socket
I use HO only on ST,i feel miserable using HO in M+
quiet root
i feel miserable on single-target using KIR but it might be an 1-FTH related skill issue
raven socket
I think deft manuvers gave me a bad habit of pressing BF whenever i need Combo Point
glass mortar
the variance is different between them in dungeons
like u will average out to a similar overall variance
but HOs pull to pull variance is much higher
since it has no way to "force" decent rolls on important packs
kir usage is very flexible
and sometimes you might use it a little suboptimally to ensure u have a decent 3-4 buff on an important pull
it is alot harder to play on ST tho, especially the 1 fth variant
jade abyss
does wound poison still work in Brew?
keen belfry
serene cosmos
does wound poison still work in Brew?
Why it wouldn't?
jade abyss
Why it wouldn't?
just felt like it wasn't but I guess I'm wrong
serene cosmos
You're 8 target cap, so you maybe don't apply the wound to every target
queen pilot
Live did away with stacks of poison vial, does classic still rely on them?
distant bronze
For the yesmen ? I think i read the heal is more than 100% of their HP so wound poison is not strong enough for them to not heal to full
distant bronze
Could be idk, i didnt know wound poison could be used here 😅
Forgot what ability it would work on
serene cosmos
The left aisle got casters that put hots
queen pilot
I timewarped from 2010 to the present live WoW and its a culture shock of epic proportions. To watch an endgame main reduced to L30, Raid gear be nerfed to L35, and the autogreens be L135? Absolute CF.
gaunt phoenix
just felt like it wasn't but I guess I'm wrong
you need to cleave the yes men below 52% or they will still overheal themselves
jade abyss
I mean just leave bladeflurry right?
formal thunder
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Vf7ByDvkK8zm2C6r?fight=last&source=12&type=summary
Someone able to look over this real quick?
Any other glaring mistakes I'm making other than failing to extend AR at times and not hitting RtB when sitting on <4 buffs?
Failed to use the Intermission well for damage, but mostly looking for rotational feedback
magic shuttle
position yourself to better cleave adds while focusing boss
if you can stand between boss and the 2 adds that will boost your dps
frail veldt
but HOs pull to pull variance is much higher
Is it though?
glass mortar
Yes
frail veldt
I haven't found that to be the case when playing ho
rotund zodiac
glass mortar
Go do first pull of brewery and roll 5 1 buffs in a row
And compare to when u get a 5 buff
And tell me it isnt
frail veldt
Supercharger value and CTO kinda flatten t out
Tbh
KiR can be just as dependant if not more
On good rolls
glass mortar
Kir can kir a good 2 buff 1 natty then 1 cto
Then rtb immediatly
And probably have at least a 3 to 4 buff
Ho cannot force buffs
rotund zodiac
roll 1 buff many times and no OP proc make me cry
magic shuttle
cto really helps with variance
vivid vessel
@frail veldt @glass mortar https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx5s03bG1iCXOW2Yhhetm11n12CmXwKZHh?si=2WvWOxoaV5q2oBFD
how is this boss
not the worse boss
every designed
frail veldt
hahaha
vivid vessel
toughts ?
frail veldt
It's pure rng
yeah but the lowroll on kir is still worse than lowrolling on HO
I honestly never found HO to be that "rng"
vivid vessel
idk how the devs think its fine that the things can just spawns on your head
its stupid
frail veldt
<@151872253229924352> <@185854083964469249> https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx5s03bG1...
I dont understand
did you just get hit by a gear?
frail veldt
no
vivid vessel
it spawns
random stirrup
a gear that spawned out of the wall 0.5s before ks ended
vivid vessel
next to us
frail veldt
it spawns from the wall
random stirrup
frail veldt
thats howt he gears work
vivid vessel
ye
vivid vessel
how is that not stupid design
frail veldt
not a gear issue
vivid vessel
nah this boss is shit man
random stirrup
i mean this boss is not fun on any spec
vivid vessel
and they added aoes on the boss
frail veldt
that would be beter
vivid vessel
cause it wasnt enough
vivid vessel
alright sure
talking about ks
i think this pack
is one of the hardest pack
to find a timing to ks on
pearl trout
idk if something changed but I don't remember the gear spawning being so dogshit on previous iterations of Workshop in previous seasons, maybe is just been like that always and is my mind being hazy
vivid vessel
litteraly mission impossible
frail veldt
https://www.twitch.tv/zac__________________/clip/DirtyGracefulPistachioBloodTrai...
lol that ones brutal
vivid vessel
you have 3 big candle guy casting aoes desynced
frail veldt
I think the two mobs before last boss of floodgate are the worst
vivid vessel
and also little stuns
vivid vessel
I think the two mobs before last boss of floodgate are the worst
naaaah
i just presss ks right after the aoe spawns
like spawn > move > ks
vivid vessel
idk not really
or
i dont have much issue pressing ks on these mobs
its not easy but
this pack i just sent is so hard
i die very often on it
frail veldt
that pack is hard but if you KS a target that your tank is moving
then you ideally move out of the aoes with that mob
but the little stun circles
always get me
lol
frail veldt
hahaha
frail veldt
some mobs have WAY too big a "KS hitbox"
vivid vessel
oooh
frail veldt
like the teleport radius is like 15 yards
vivid vessel
too big hitbox ??
frail veldt
so stupid
frail veldt
LOL
vivid vessel
here you go
just for you
same pack btw
i just died twice
thats what the good outlaw players do
they just die
didnt press adr tho
high self control
vivid vessel
i would be having so much fun bro
if ks wasnt shit
i swear to god
the one season outlaw is good
they have to ruin it
random stirrup
the trickster loop is very fun
blissful idol
@vivid vessel is that ticking 15,09% of your hp or how does it work
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> is that ticking 15,09% of your hp or how does it work
every 0.5s ye
vivid vessel
nah lol
fallen knot
who we rooting for on group c
hybrid crown
My oppressive pug 10 DPS feels like DF for sure lol
vivid vessel
its staggering the whole damage i took over 8s so
blissful idol
Can you cloak it after if it was magic and you are safe ?
fallen knot
is there an outlaw god or no
vivid vessel
ye i mean in low keys idk
outlaw always strange
and i think its even weirder now with pc
like pc is strong
but in low keys
its more than strong
that talent is designed for shit keys
so like
fallen knot
you should see assa in 12s
fallen knot
they deal 10% of damage with sudden demise
vivid vessel
i mean i know
hollow portal
https://www.twitch.tv/zac__________________/clip/DirtyGracefulPistachioBloodTrai...
Moving the camera when you die is always a KS thing, you can make a compilation hahahahaha
vivid vessel
zeross outdamaged me in a 12 anyway
random stirrup
Can you cloak it after if it was magic and you are safe ?
you can always cloak the ks dot
vivid vessel
sudden demise inflates overall a ton in 12s
i think he wasnt playing bleed builds
jolly geyser
damn zeross playing alot,always see him in a dungeon in fren list
hybrid crown
I wonder what the cinematic camera does to ks
Maybe a weak aura could flip that on during ks
jolly geyser
weed
fallen knot
how
fallen knot
21 keys
vivid vessel
not tanking tho
fallen knot
monk is hard
vivid vessel
i was kinda pressing not the best buttons but
fallen knot
with dh you could tank with 640
livid pewter
idk this is sus, in dslice the event mace outsims but in every other 3-10 target scenario crafted dagger 681 in offhand is better
vivid vessel
it felt way harder than it should have been
with dh i remmeber in df
i was taking keys
frail veldt
i think its better than s3 df potentially
think so?
fallen knot
yes
vivid vessel
i think it could be better than in s3
tulip jewel
idk this is sus, in dslice the event mace outsims but in every other 3-10 target...
no combat drops outside of dslice
vivid vessel
ye true
fallen knot
i tried this expansion
frail veldt
in S3 there werent many good specs
right now you can play a LOT of stuff
which is good I think
jolly geyser
wasnt brew least played tank?
fallen knot
feels impossible to tank, you really need to hate yourself if you tank
it feels giga hard with any tank tbh
vivid vessel
in S3 there werent many good specs
ye i guess
jolly geyser
I couldnt tank in wow,too much pressure idk
frail veldt
fair
vivid vessel
but like
frail veldt
as long as you play with a good tank, outlaw feels good
frail veldt
brew rsham sheeesh
fallen knot
well
vivid vessel
buty
frail veldt
is your tank helping you on 3rd boss?
fallen knot
link that motherlode
vivid vessel
this was 18 flood
vivid vessel
is your tank helping you on 3rd boss?
ye he did
vivid vessel
like i dont remember gapping that much in df right
vivid vessel
but in df i think i was playing with a team for a few weeks
that were good players
but like idk
i wasnt gapping that much i think
frail veldt
Im not geared enough to say yet
vivid vessel
i think im also a better player now that might help
frail veldt
Im still behind on overall but im also doing low keys with slow tanks
fallen knot
help me get to 3,5k with dk
then i blast for sure
or with shaman
i cba pugging thats my problem
vivid vessel
Im still behind on overall but im also doing low keys with slow tanks
well that doesnt matter lol
in low keys i gap people even more
good tank or bad tank
frail veldt
well that doesnt matter lol
yeah I still gap people
frail veldt
but my overall is liek 5.5 mil
vivid vessel
big
frail veldt
not close to 7
leaden folio
<@151872253229924352> <@185854083964469249> https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx5s03bG1...
its always spawning there
leaden folio
i v seen ton of clip where people dying exactly here
vivid vessel
this boss is shit
fallen knot
i will play stormbringer btw later
need to learn it
it's legit omega
deals a fuckton of single target and pretty good aoe even in big pulls
but cds are weird
gaunt phoenix
idk this is sus, in dslice the event mace outsims but in every other 3-10 target...
The vanish thing resetting the mace doesnt work in patchwerk
the patchwerk targets are bosses essentially
late swallow
this is 19 dfc
59th highest key this week
vivid vessel
no one is playing yet
keys are mega easy
wox is going to wake up and time everything in 20 with his team
late swallow
wox is going to wake up and time everything in 20 with his team
the team groupchat is probably fire
fit pics, affirmations, meal selfies
vivid vessel
fr
wait so
people on the mdi servers
they arent 684 ilvl then
we are higher ilvll than mdi people rn
thats so weird
or mby they are idk
late swallow
is wox playing law in MDI?
latent oak
they got rekt by spec rule
fierce sinew
is the cudgel implimented in raidbots yet?
sturdy phoenix
is the cudgel implimented in raidbots yet?
9 days ago regarding pinned messages
fierce sinew
noice...thanks
steady crane
how can i know if my damage are kinda good for my ilvl? (on an overall dj)
vivid vessel
yes
frail veldt
how can i know if my damage are kinda good for my ilvl? (on an overall dj)
Can look at your dslice sim
steady crane
Cuz it got banned
ban? class can be banned in mdi?
frail veldt
Should be similar
steady crane
Can look at your dslice sim
dslice?
frail veldt
ban? class can be banned in mdi?
They ban a spec after it's played too many times essentially
steady crane
so udh is banned?
hardy thicket
frail veldt
yeup
so some teams are able to "save" the good comp for the finals
but for people who main an off meta comp/spec they get fucked
past falcon
LMAO
vivid vessel
you need resto sham to have a bloodlust with outlaw
past falcon
ya i always pick resto sham
sonic bluff
best enchant for Nightfal Cudgel is still Authority of the Depth, right?
gaunt phoenix
naw do radiant power
thorny crest
authority of the depths is a single target enchant and cudgel is strictly an aoe weapon
hybrid crown
Jw what was the overall
random stirrup
holy PC value
proven ocean
thats a +18
vivid vessel
proven ocean
u prob didnt even shiv the bloodhorn did u
proven ocean
i had my offhand unequipped tho
trail flume
it's possible to change gear in keys?
vivid vessel
i cba with this guy
gaunt phoenix
it's possible to change gear in keys?
only weapons
vivid vessel
@proven ocean no joke tho
proven ocean
ok but thats just pc cheating
vivid vessel
but thats on you
proven ocean
its only 1st boss
proven ocean
sin is not too good in 1st boss compared to outlaw but
its rly rly good
rest sin wins easily
vivid vessel
ye prolly
random stirrup
"can outlaw do this?"
"yes"
"ok but only that boss" 
gaunt phoenix
10%
unkempt dew
I wish i was Zac
unkempt dew
But the Dutch Version
vivid vessel
also gained the weapon
no with the shit weapon im 681 i think
but you dont play wuith it on that boss
its not a boss thing
proven ocean
my dps is already higher than every class in the game
vivid vessel
except outlaw