outlaw

[red zinc]

wouldnt recommend

[vivid vessel]

It's true

Mine only give the bare minimum information

That's why it's so good tho

[keen belfry]

guys should i buy signet or pacemaker

which one is more vibes

awangs

[glass mortar]

think pacemaker is better but signet is more vibes

being able to control when u get the trinket power

[keen belfry]

signet simmed higher for me

[vivid vessel]

Trash

[keen belfry]

idk how..

wow man.

[glass mortar]

probably because u simmed wrong because u shuld feel bad

😠

pacemakers value gunna depend on how much crit u have on gear and the alignment of the moon and the sun and whatnot tho

[vivid vessel]

Can't sim rn

[copper radish]

Just sim it bro

[vivid vessel]

Nothing works

Sims are for inferior individuals tho

[copper radish]

Real world test it

[vivid vessel]

I don't need to sim

I just know

[wicked kestrel]

link?

[glass mortar]

u can literally pick trinkets with vibes this season idk

difference between trinkets r fake

they all suck

[proven ocean]

o7 to pablo

[glass mortar]

understandable

[mighty pivot]

shitty situation

[fallen knot]

why is my frost dk sim taking 40minutes

[vapid sundial]

Respect

but i like 'grandma on fire'

personally

[strong flume]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[fallen knot]

simming circlet is a nightmare on classes that actually need stats

i want to get rid of it like now fml

[vivid vessel]

Yes!

[fallen knot]

also i jsut discovered that dk sims take a million years

[cinder relic]

P sure every spec gets rid of it now

[fallen knot]

not with my gear

on dk at least

[cinder relic]

Jaster + craft

Shrimple

[fallen knot]

imagine having jastor

even normal

or sparks

had to craft pants cause i was running champion ones

while doing 14s

[random stirrup]

jastor insta entering my inventory when we get dinar

[fallen knot]

i actually have 3dinars still on dk

but i was thinking about house of cards

but

jastor would mean quality of life on sims

[random stirrup]

unironically craft 2 rings

[fallen knot]

i cant

[random stirrup]

pretty sure they are not unique

[fallen knot]

i dont have sparks

[random stirrup]

ah

cooked

[fallen knot]

tho i have 2x hero delves trinkets that are actually good

i might skip on hoc and purchase jastor

to just trash taht ass 658 ring

wait

wait

sim n.1 came up

uh doesnt want shit ass circlet anymore

[vivid vessel]

Big

Yo stovi

[fallen knot]

dk sims higher than shaman

on both specs

[vivid vessel]

[fallen knot]

kill me

i thought you wanted me to boost your monk

guess i wont do it

[frail veldt]

I wouldn't compare dslice between specs

[fallen knot]

no

in single target

pure st

[frail veldt]

Very different scales

Ah

[vivid vessel]

Working on Roger rn

[vernal coral]

Guys i only have 675 crafted weapon atm and HC gallywix mace should i still buy Capo and use the Nightfall mace as offhand ?

[glass mortar]

well depending on ur trinkets a herioc capo (i assume u cant buy mythic) might not be ur best first dinar purchase

since you would likely just be swapping between nightfall mace OH and capo HC offhand

i dont think a capo at HC is going to beat a max ilvl crafted mh, especially when u can just throw it on ur offhand in raid/bosses

could always sim it tho

[copper radish]

Think I’ve done 20+ keys in the last week and haven’t had a single heroic track helm or gloves drop. Still hunting them somehow…… not even raid dropping em for me

[hybrid crown]

It do be like that sometimes

[copper radish]

Using my PvP champion track helm and gloves for tier 😂

[proven ocean]

guys

i did hc raid 6/8 atm im at 1100/2500 rep

if i go normal fresh run i'll get rep from first few bosses too?

or no?

[vernal coral]

Alrighty thanks alot for the explanation

[keen belfry]

why are tehse swords just blocking my face man

[glass mortar]

LMAO

[red zinc]

FIRE

[glass mortar]

dwarf pirates btfod

[keen belfry]

look how dumb this is

[vernal coral]

[lone crow]

@vivid vessel where numbers from high keys

[vivid vessel]

wht numbers

[lone crow]

overall

what else

[vivid vessel]

idk

im still farming my guildeds any

[lone crow]

oh okay

ping me when u have some screens

[vivid vessel]

ok

[proven ocean]

lower than assa thats for sure

[worldly gust]

for gallywix mythic should i sim as patchwerk?

[ornate vault]

Hello here! Kir fatebound better than ho trikster now in mm+?

[gaunt phoenix]

no, trickster is significantly better than fatebound in aoe

KIR trickster vs HO trickster is preference/depends on gear a bit

[ornate vault]

Oh OK. So i can always run trikster ho . Nice

I love cross finger and close my eyes when i press ks

[wintry solar]

I didn't know they were considered blade weapons

[inner shell]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nEheCvXQXf8jcxwSbvDuTo
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q6TgTQAvUgaLxDsq7xeYSi
can anyone tell wtf is wrong

[glass mortar]

read the top pin

[gaunt phoenix]

its a raidbots bug where crafted items are really 687 item level instead of 681

[inner shell]

ty

ahh okay ty

[glass mortar]

did i miss something why is every raidbots sim in a fursuit this week

like half my guildies have that on too

[warm remnant]

trading post

[hybrid crown]

I hate that too the feathers end up in your face on human too

[warm remnant]

shits kinda fire tho

[glass mortar]

oh shit new trading post

i havent checked

oh wait thats the TMNT shit isnt it

[wintry solar]

When I think of fist weapons I think of brass knuckles lol. Not that they're bladed weapons.

[thorn river]

what weapon buff can me placed on the cudgel ?

[tulip jewel]

weightstone

[thorn river]

ty

[warm remnant]

yeah it is

[lament gyro]

guys for the new nightfall wep, do i need to keep swapping targets or is it just vanish?

[wintry solar]

Just vanish

[unborn verge]

!kir

[ornate heath]

KIR build compared to HO:

• doesn't use ambush, uses the same builder priority inside and outside of stealth
• is more cp efficient with pistol shot usage (see faq)
• use the new Supercharger talent which impact rtb rules (see faq)
• has to use KIR itself as soon as you hit 4 buffs from RTB/CTO
• has an additional reroll logic after pressing KIR (see faq)
• is more punishing if you mess up builder priority at a given moment
• require more haste (!haste) due to not taking tak'em talent

[lament gyro]

ty

[glass mortar]

in uncapped aoe situations you will want to wiggle around ab it as well

[frail veldt]

cuz youre playing the ugly race

[glass mortar]

to make BF cleave new targets to proc the effect again after each vanish

[keen belfry]

im pretty

[frail veldt]

pretty ugly

[keen belfry]

dude..

thats lowkey but highkey on godly messed up man

[frail veldt]

just like your characters face

[late swallow]

holy shit mewo with the bloodthirst today

[keen belfry]

sometimes i type sentences and think damn im an adult in the workforce rn

[frail veldt]

lol

ong fr though

[lament gyro]

is kir better now?

[glass mortar]

no

[late swallow]

KiR is better in spirit

[glass mortar]

they r both very similar

[late swallow]

you get hella prettyboyswag points for playing kir

[lament gyro]

most top player going kir

so was thinking might be better

[late swallow]

HO players wet the bed

[magic shuttle]

what if you play both?

[glass mortar]

i think its more consistent on the higher end

since it can force a "good" roll in ways HO cannot

[late swallow]

you're a swagged out giga chad with piss stains on his pants

[glass mortar]

and on the high end, you cant really go into an important big pull, roll 6 1 buffs in a row, and do ur lowest level of dps

you might just wipe to lack of damage

[kindred apex]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[glass mortar]

so i do think kir is probably better in higher end keys

[late swallow]

!piss

[glass mortar]

for ur average player tho they are similar tuning wise

[late swallow]

[glass mortar]

and u can play the one you like

[frail veldt]

its only betterif you play it really well

[keen belfry]

mewo i really wanna gear my enhance shammy

[frail veldt]

do it

I dare you

[keen belfry]

i could go buy a jastors rn

[frail veldt]

is enh fun rn?

[lament gyro]

very

[keen belfry]

yeah

tempest is back

tempest + new pwave is really cool

was gonna play it again this tier but totemic was the play on launch and me no like

[marble sorrel]

!haste

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[shut lichen]

guys i may become a 100 parse houser next expansion ngl

[runic bough]

Guys

I was thinking

What if I play Outlaw for Stix, gally, chogall, cauldron. Ks is generally safe on the other fights. Hybrid rogue now.

[green carbon]

whats the best build for M+ and Raid without KS?

[wary wind]

Yeah lots of people do be swapping specs depending on the fight in raid brother

[fallen knot]

assassination or sub

[runic bough]

Like all the fights where ks kills you, I will just swap to sin.

Stix is really fun as outlaw

Also rik is really painful as sin slow movement but ks is bad for swirlies.

Maybe I should learn sub for rik

Sin is so fragile

[random stirrup]

chogall

[charred carbon]

guys what should i go for so i have myth track capo's knuckles should i first go for galywix iron tumb or zee's thug i have a mythtrack weapon gorebound predator's gavel in offhand

[royal crag]

You just sit back sigh say you completed life and never play again thinking back to the days KS killed you

[steady crane]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[gaunt phoenix]

Thug is good in raid but not really different than mythic magnet/geargrinder

Gally weapon would also just be a minor upgrade in raid

idk you might be all set unless you want to try eye of kezan in keys

[latent oak]

ks is fine on rik imo, u'll ocasionally get mcd but ur in melee and will insta get broken anyways

[charred carbon]

yea the thing is i run this and ofc weapon swap the thug trinket is heroic but on wowhead it says gallywixs iron thumb first and then after that go for the trinket

[gaunt phoenix]

gally's iron thumb is just for raid again

do you not have mythic geargrinder/magnet trinkets?

[charred carbon]

no i have only thug and pacemaker

[gaunt phoenix]

would buy one to replace heroic thug

geargrinder is the generally bis trinket

[charred carbon]

yea ill buy the geargrinder first

pace is also already myth so

[autumn blaze]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sudden iron]

guild making me swap back to rogue, how's outlaw compared to assa currently in raid?

[cinder relic]

For raid? A bit worse than sin but very close if played well

Killing spree skill ceiling is kinda cringe especially if u arent already baseline comfy with the spec

[red zinc]

You can decorate the outside of your house

Dratnos said so

They peaked

[cinder relic]

thats old news bro

[jade rapids]

any big dig who can teach me why i suck?

[red zinc]

suck because bad

[sweet badge]

The kind of hard hitting analysis you only get from the absolute big digs

[gaunt phoenix]

can look at logs

[red zinc]

need somethin to go off to tell you ye

[jade rapids]

mainly play m+

[sweet badge]

Just jesting

[gaunt phoenix]

that's details not logs

it is common to record your gameplay into warcraftlogs.com

so that you can compare yourself to others or have people look at it

[hybrid crown]

Your wcl profile might have some logs from other people logging. Might be worth taking a look

If it's keys make sure it actually has like damage and healing numbers in it because key completion stuff will pull in without logs from the api

[coral onyx]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hybrid crown]

I found a key from yesterday on your profile if you would like me to link it as an example, Mechagon WS +10

[wicked kestrel]

So it's hard to get used to outlaw when only ever playing assassination. oof. lol

[chilly dagger]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JN7PmMFzQgA3yYcp?fight=3 this is probably one of my better keys. Got a little overwhelmed at the double diffuser pull so prob lost some overall there. The sham was blasting tho

I'm sure many mistakes many blunders. Just wanna see where I need to focus

Cpm prob low cause I'm bad with keeping adr + snowballing

[gaunt phoenix]

your ambush casts are really low, it should be >2.5x over sinister strike casts in total

not going to be a magic answer to this cause everything in the rotation contributes to vanish CDR, but i do see vanish casts without AR active

[slate forge]

I feel like I’m running out of energy quite a bit in subterfuge so I use ps proc over ambush at low energy is this common?

[gaunt phoenix]

its not common no

[chilly dagger]

I put 2+2 together with the not vanishing unless ar is off cd the other day

[agile orchid]

you guys should take the KiR pill

[chilly dagger]

Ambush always>fth?

[chilly atlas]

i mean if you having trouble with ho you prolly shouldnt be playing kir :x

[glass mortar]

if you are already struggling to play the spec u should certainly not take the kir pill

HO is much easier to learn and less punishing to mistakes

[gaunt phoenix]

im not sure you're watching roll the bones right, on the first pull you rolled 2 buffs and sat on them for 20 seconds

[agile orchid]

I feel like KiR has less energy issues

[glass mortar]

it should not feel like that

[agile orchid]

also has more bad luck protection

[gaunt phoenix]

generally yes, ambush has priority when it is available

[chilly dagger]

Ok and more aggressive rolling. Unless 4 active

[slate forge]

Here be a log from yesterday https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6njgN9L8F2QB3GhK?fight=10&type=damage-done

[agile orchid]

you can use this WA for rolling logic: https://wago.io/Pd53s_NPU

[steady crane]

Should we use coup de grâce even with low cp?

[gaunt phoenix]

mostly no

there is an optimization to coup at low cp if you would otherwise press sinister strike as your next builder

like you dont have ambush/ps/deft/ar available

[agile orchid]

and how much of an increase is that

0.1, 0.2%?

[gaunt phoenix]

yesn't

it kind of depends

like

[agile orchid]

or is it just a HO thing

[chilly dagger]

I think my brain is stuck on old HO alternating ambush/fth

[gentle juniper]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oS9UpMxHnHW6BqDmtFr4s2

is it really a double on use angle, we are about to kill sprocket this or next id

[gaunt phoenix]

averaging 50 billion years of combat it is minimal, but on a pull by pull basis, sometimes a low coup feels nice when you have vanish/ks and shit waiting

[frail veldt]

other way around I think

[gaunt phoenix]

and you potentially save several gcds to get into your cds faster

[frail veldt]

KiR is very feast or famine when it comes to energy

[agile orchid]

idk man, kir has deft maneuvers, cto and kir as bad luck protection

[glass mortar]

HO also has cto

[agile orchid]

but no precise cuts

[glass mortar]

HOs bad luck protection is that it has a guarenteed 2 builder > finisher

yes PC

[frail veldt]

yes it does

HO has PC

[glass mortar]

you play PC + CtO

[frail veldt]

and the dslice build for PC HO doesnt play GS

[agile orchid]

then what do you sacrifice

[frail veldt]

which makes energy WAY better

[agile orchid]

GS?

[frail veldt]

yes

[glass mortar]

ghostly

[agile orchid]

oof

[frail veldt]

HO without GS performs just as well as KiR 1 pt fth

and has WAY less energy problems

cuz GS is a huge energy sink

[steady crane]

ok so no builder other than that, i use coup de grâce

[glass mortar]

HO is by far the easier build and it kinda boggles my mind people can see it the other way

u go into a raid fight and make 20 mistakes as HO and u can get a 98

[frail veldt]

I think theyre just being intentionally contrarian

[glass mortar]

u go into a raid fight and make 20 mistakes as kir and u are blue parsing

[frail veldt]

or being REALLY bad at objectivity

[glass mortar]

its cursed af

[agile orchid]

I am not crazy enough to raid as outlaw

I am talking mostly about m+

[glass mortar]

sure, the dungeon variant of KiR is closer to HO difficulty wise due to deft

[agile orchid]

I tried playing HO without cto and I just hated my life

[glass mortar]

but its still not as easy

and deft doesnt bail you out on bosses

[frail veldt]

think so?

You still have bosses

[glass mortar]

mewo

[frail veldt]

I think 1pt fth KiR is the hardest build weve ever had

[glass mortar]

😐

[agile orchid]

maybe I'll give the no GS HO build a try

[frail veldt]

I mean aside from bosses though still

[red zinc]

give the kir build a try

[frail veldt]

1pt fth with trickster and using UB stacks correctly is not easy

[glass mortar]

kir is a fun and good build to be clear

[agile orchid]

I am already playing kir 1fth

[glass mortar]

i wouldnt ever recommend it to people struggling to just play outlaw tho

like new players

1 fth isnt even on the menu it changes up the whole dynamic of builders

1 fth kir is like playing arcane mage vs playing fury warrior (HO) ngl

well, prior to tww arcane mage

do that after uve figured out kir itself a bit

[agile orchid]

kir feels slightly more fast paced

[glass mortar]

they r very similar speeds

[agile orchid]

probably because of ambush animation

[glass mortar]

yea its just an animation appearence

the gcd isnt any slower or anything

[agile orchid]

yeah it's just a feeling

[frail veldt]

yeah I mean if your adr uptime is below like 80% on kir you should prob just be playing HO

but you can still play kir and continue to learn

but at <80% youre probably missing fundamentals

[gaunt phoenix]

I mean if you're 1fth and not doing the trickster stuff you're basically playing HO already

[vivid vessel]

IM SO CLOSE

[agile orchid]

farming all these crests will take me a while

[red zinc]

so where do i need to stand to cleave both bosses on cauldron

legit right in the middle?

(during intermission)

[gaunt phoenix]

not tried to evaluate an exact range

[glass mortar]

their hitboxes are pretty large you have a broad range of a line across the center u can run in to cleave them i think

i usually wiggle from one side to the other as i dodge waves

[vivid vessel]

thyea re quite close tho ?

[latent oak]

they have big hitboxes ya

[gaunt phoenix]

yea i mean you def have a bit of room

[glass mortar]

also kspree just like

doesnt cleave during that phase

its funny

guess it depends on ur luck since u can get nice teleports but usually over half ur teleports will be on one of the guys bums so

[latent oak]

start the ks from the bosses ass

ez outplay

[glass mortar]

hmmm

my favorite is when i get jumpscared by lava waves as my kspree ends because good fucking luck keeping track of ur starting positions as you teleport randomly in a 40 yard radius

so hard to see whats going on in the middle ngl

bosses r big enough during intermission that kspree should 100% just teleport u in place but w/e

[primal otter]

Jesus

I really enjoy outlaw gameplay, I just wish the sounds were different

[fallen knot]

i met a similar person today in a nm run

[proven ocean]

Idk crazy ppl in my raids

[mossy karma]

so is the weak aura https://wago.io/Pd53s_NPU/145 for RTB good? or is it grief to use it?

[keen belfry]

i will stand by that new tier doesnt work in floodgate

[glass mortar]

did u get some bad rolls babe

it happens

[keen belfry]

it keeps happening in there

is there a way to look at log and see rolls

ive started loggin keys just to look at rolls

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/salsa-dance-salsa-dancing-blue-shirt-guy-salsa-dance-blue-shirt-guy-dance-salsa-meme-gif-7871365283818012105

[keen belfry]

60% TB? 61% BS?

[glass mortar]

there isnt an easy way no

just overlay ur RtB casts and check buff uptimes

[keen belfry]

idk what that means but it sounds fire

[glass mortar]

click the little + next to RtB casts so you have a timeline of all ur casts then check ur buffs at those times to see what u rolled

idk of an easier way to do it maybe there is one

[viscid perch]

maybe a dumb question but does the weapon enchants have the same proc rate?

[glass mortar]

probably not but its not really relevant, why

their proc rate is just part of their tuning

[desert tendon]

@glass mortar

asking you cause you re a knower

what we think of jastor?

[glass mortar]

like

we as outlaw rogues or we as gamers

item is useless to us

[desert tendon]

as outlaw

so that s really bad

want double haste vers i guess

[glass mortar]

bad for us which is good because everyone wants it and its cringe to get

some mix of vers crit and haste yea

[desert tendon]

gotta check zac's setup

oh yea crafting neck

that s what i gotta do

[hybrid crown]

The SAD vendor should have an item that upgrades the track of an item

Make it cost like 12 idc

[hoary sapphire]

Damn that sounds not bad

[hybrid crown]

I want to upgrade my big vers tiny crit roulette wheel 😦

[slate plaza]

are sims fixed

[glass mortar]

no

[slate plaza]

fuk

[split jolt]

any ravenous honey enjoyers

[glass mortar]

gross

[split jolt]

i know but i got a mythic one from vault and it sims really well

[glass mortar]

just take a vexie trinket with a dinar

its identical but it doesnt auto charge you

[split jolt]

i havent killed mythic vexie

and i have a heroic vexi trink

[glass mortar]

well, mythic vexie is quite easy to pug and basically identical damage wise to buzzer without the charge

[gaunt phoenix]

i think you can use mimiron.raidbots

[glass mortar]

but u gotta do what u gotta do

[split jolt]

was thinking of swallowing pride, buying mythic pacemaker and running mythic honey

[gaunt phoenix]

(its the ptr raidbots site)

[hybrid crown]

I went with mythic stix magnet trinky

I'm happy with it

[split jolt]

can respect it

[slate plaza]

no wonder mythic peacemaker was simming worse than my hero hotline and magnet trink in st and m+

[split jolt]

im m+ not mythic raid

[hybrid crown]

It's a bit of a - in aoe but it's pretty nice in st. A myth mine cart might beat it but the difference would be so tiny anyways

[weak frigate]

yo does anyone have a good KiR build for m+?

[jade rapids]

yo any wizard know what im doing wrong https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Lt1jQAYJxHCnrwVZ?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=32

[gaunt phoenix]

KIR logs are not fun to read but

i think you are not tracking the RTB rules after pressing KIR

like on the first pull, you used KIR on 5 buffs, good

but then you didnt RTB for 1 minute

this build has a concept of pressing RTB once or twice after using KIR

because KIR locks in your buffs and they dont get rolled away

as long as they stay above the "normal" 39s duration

[jade rapids]

i thought it was just once after kir

[gaunt phoenix]

depending on the outcome of your first roll you can do it twice

you need this weakaura https://wago.io/TIgC_QiQz

[jade rapids]

is the weakaura for roll the bones any good? the one that row linked a while ago in here

?

[gaunt phoenix]

to see how many rolls you "will lose" by pressing rtb (blue or red border)

[jade rapids]

will try it

[gaunt phoenix]

I dont trust something else to capture KIR reroll rules correctly

but not like i have tested the weakaura you mention

[jade rapids]

if adrenaline is already up and i get the cd back do i just press it or do i wait until the first runs out?

[split jolt]

no ambush at all for KiR 1 fth?

[split jolt]

i generally use it for combo points when my current one gets down to like less than 5 and i dont have vanish

[jade rapids]

some guy on youtube said never use ambush with kir just took his word for it

dont know if its right

[random stirrup]

never ambush as kir

[split jolt]

yeah i remembered that when i was pressing it in subterfuge window and was going heavily oom

just sinister strike instead right?

[hybrid crown]

#outlaw-faq has some very in depth rotation stuff to look at

[split jolt]

yeah i saw it in the guide a while ago but always forgot by the time i logged in

until i went out of energy using it and just wanted to confirm not even in subterfuge window

[red zinc]

where do you need to stand for the geargrinder bike to hit last boss of rookery

or is it just unable to hit alltogether

[vivid vessel]

ok im done

[random stirrup]

4 crafted

[quasi notch]

@vivid vessel Are those the best m+ trinks?

[vivid vessel]

IDK

FUCK

[wintry solar]

I declare yes

[red zinc]

i still need to replace chest and belt man

vault better bless me

[random stirrup]

just get delve belt

[red zinc]

true

idk if they will actually make it good though

it is currently DOG OCEAN

[arctic delta]

Bro
I just hate this spell
Why does it lasts 5 days???
By the time it is done, I don't even remember where I was...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1014354035526090843/1255113639950553108/tww-killing-spree.gif

[frail veldt]

We all do

Anyone who likes current KS is a masochist or a moron

[red zinc]

i love ks (zac dying from it is the only way i have a chance)

[worldly shale]

i like the one where it screams ROLL

[tiny bloom]

This is the one I use. Seems to work fine but I’m no expert by any means

[frail veldt]

Lolol what?

[vivid vessel]

bro

we are doing

a rogue

outlaw

neighborhood

when the player housing releases

! !! !

all the outlaws and the inlaws together !

so hype fr fr

[pearl trout]

An Outlaw Rogue neighborhood sounds like the parking of a 7 Eleven

[worldly shale]

gonna be alot of killing sprees in that household

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean

wanna be my neighbor

[lament gyro]

hey guys pinned says new nightfall wep is better but sim says otherwise

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i54mDetwdfsJKjHYGRJhKc

am i doing a wrong sim?

[vivid vessel]

it doesnt work against bosses

casue you cant reset combat against bosses

only works against trash

[lament gyro]

ah

[vivid vessel]

you can sim dungeonslice

to get an idea

ideally you would weapon swap between this for trash

and a normal weapon the rest of the time

trust us tho its worth even with 684 weapons

[lament gyro]

ok good to know ty

i remember having a mdi sim setup by a friend, should work no?

[vivid vessel]

a dungeonroute ?

ye

[lament gyro]

tyty

[red zinc]

i do not want to live next to zeross

[vivid vessel]

???

[red zinc]

bro i could smell it from across the neighborhood

[hollow temple]

[vivid vessel]

he is right

you liek current ks trickz?

no you dont

dont be silly now

[hollow temple]

kspree goated !

[vivid vessel]

fuck you

moron

[hollow temple]

with the sauce and alldat

[vivid vessel]

trickz

show your gear

[knotty needle]

now this has just GOTTA be bait

[hollow temple]

you can't handle the truth !

[vivid vessel]

show it

now

[hollow temple]

i stopped playing this dogshit game !

[arctic delta]

is it worth it to have all the gem colors? or only if you have a lot of sockets?

[vivid vessel]

ye it is

kinda whgatever tho

[slate plaza]

touch grass

for your own well being

[vivid vessel]

i only did 16 keys lol

[slate plaza]

white gem is good

[vivid vessel]

wasnt that much

[slate plaza]

and it needs 4 diff colours

[slate plaza]

all tier?

you raid logging?

[vivid vessel]

no i mean this week

[slate plaza]

only?

16 is a fuck load lol

[red zinc]

i mean they take 15-20 minutes each

could be worse

[slate plaza]

i mean if he is crest farming thats fair

[red zinc]

we just did a rookery in like 14 mins i think

was crazy

[slate plaza]

but isnt spamming 12s best

instead of 7's

[red zinc]

yeah we did a 12

in 14 minutes

[slate plaza]

most groups cant realistically do 12's in 15 minutes lol

[red zinc]

oh was 16

anyway

if you just play with outlaws shit goes zoom

[frail veldt]

sorry anyone who likes current KS is a masochist, a moron, or a pvper

[hollow temple]

ty for fixing your statement

[frail veldt]

KS is totally fine in pvp tbh

and the stagger is kinda cool

and the root break

[hollow temple]

yeah it kinda sucks that fixing it will most likely make it useless

[frail veldt]

worthy sacrifice tbh

[split jolt]

any ideas when sims will sort themselves out or is it just whenever

[hollow temple]

iirc the guy that can fix is on vacation

so no idea atm

[red zinc]

would only removing the tp flag make it a lot worse?

idrk what the pvp value is

[hollow temple]

i kinda doubt thats what they're actually going to do

in the end

[craggy barn]

theyre gonna replace it with cbb

real and true

[red zinc]

what is cbb

nvm

[craggy barn]

canon ball barrage

[red zinc]

i know

[craggy barn]

lol

[hollow temple]

knowing blizzard they will either replace it with another ability entirely or rework the spell entirely

[red zinc]

i played legion private server while back

cool ability no cap

[craggy barn]

yea it was uncapped

[vague cape]

anyone have a reminder weak aura for switching wep for bosses

[craggy barn]

that sounds annoying to setup

[red zinc]

I really don't get why they havent thrown this class a bone with that yet

but oh well

[craggy barn]

well they gave us bone spikes in shadowlands

[hollow temple]

check zac's wago

[pearl trout]

replace it with Blade Rush, I beg, I dont want to be completely disoriented for pressing a skill 💀

[red zinc]

nah fuck blade rush too

[craggy barn]

the point is an ability similar to sec tech

[gaunt phoenix]

i think you can use mimiron.raidbots.com, the ptr version of raidbots, i havent caught an issue with top gear there yet

[craggy barn]

and ks is the only one we have

[red zinc]

being forced to play blade rush

would screw over talents so hard

would sit there playin swift slasher in keys or something

[pearl trout]

replace it or... I guess there was post in the forum, idk

[vivid vessel]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/killing-spree-fix-concept/2088489

[vague cape]

found nothing there for this

[gaunt phoenix]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/killing-spree-fix-concept/2088489

[red zinc]

those mfs going to give us shuriken tornado or some shit

[split jolt]

doesnt let me sim dinars for m+ trinkets

[vivid vessel]

https://wago.io/elwWiwJax

[gaunt phoenix]

go to top gear and just add it to your bags

[frail veldt]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/killing-spree-fix-concept/2088489

[split jolt]

criminal

[hollow temple]

its there

[frail veldt]

yeah hero talents were clearly an afterthought for outlaws implementation

lot of nonsense in it

[red zinc]

anyone know how to use the bike trinket on last boss rookery

it just doesnt hit

[vivid vessel]

this man is trully dedicated, he has been commenting on the thread almost everyday

🏄‍♀️ 🏄‍♀️

[craggy barn]

i remember realz coming in here complaining that there wasnt a good cd for outlaw for hero talents back in s4 df

[red zinc]

do i have to stand on the increased height bit in the corners

or something

[craggy barn]

👍
🏄‍♀️ 🏄‍♀️

[frail veldt]

it hits it

[red zinc]

🎿 🎿 LIL REALZY MY FAVORITE DEVVER

[frail veldt]

just press it

[red zinc]

it doesnt

[frail veldt]

mine does lol

only first boss is an issue for me

[red zinc]

ive had this so many times already idk

[frail veldt]

last boss I just press it and it explodes

[craggy barn]

where are u standing timmy

[red zinc]

i just stand in the middle right before the boss

[frail veldt]

maybe stand further back

idk

[red zinc]

not on the ledge though

[craggy barn]

like on the lip?

[red zinc]

no

[craggy barn]

where ur ks takes u?

[haughty wigeon]

that stems from the fact hero talents are sahred between 2 specs

[red zinc]

pretty much

[craggy barn]

mine hits from there

[frail veldt]

I can stand from the side

and it hits

[haughty wigeon]

unfort it limits hero talent potentials

[red zinc]

lemme check log rq

[grave rose]

@vivid vessel with your luxthos edit, it seems to break the alpha controls, any idea how to fix it?

nm i found it deeper in the settings, the main one doesnt work though

[red zinc]

ok wait

can i even see trinket casts in a log

[frail veldt]

you can see hits probably

should be one every 2 mins haha

[red zinc]

ye well i mean

i can see it doesnt hit just trying to find out when i casted and where i was standin

haha

yeah just seems like its only this trinket that doesnt show up on logs

weird

guess its because its a summon not on a target

[tight kernel]

This build okay for OAB?

[frail veldt]

dont run pc

on oab

[tight kernel]

Pretty much normal PC build, drop ghost for CTO

no?

[frail veldt]

I dont think so no

oh nvm you might be right

looks like logs have PC at 80%

surprising

looks like most are dropping cto though not gs

cuz its low enough target count

[verbal fjord]

idk if going for myth priory is better than myth pacemaker

what should i pick ?

[tight kernel]

sim it

[verbal fjord]

it says priory is better but everyone is playing pacemaker tho

[tight kernel]

i do what the robot tells me

[verbal fjord]

hmmmmmm

guess i follow the robot aswell thanks kev

^^

[red zinc]

Bit hard to sim right now though see pins

use the link solo sent ealrier might work

[tight kernel]

I wonder if I just drop pc and go CTO + GS for more st, or if thats a trap

[gentle wind]

hi im new outlaw rogue do you have guide how to play him?

[vivid vine]

don't press KS 😭

[gentle wind]

rotation

especially

[signal igloo]

is pressing KS a dps loss?

[icy cedar]

no push it on cd

opposite of a noob trap

[gentle wind]

nice ty for help

[icy cedar]

noobs too afraid

[lament gyro]

technically it is since ur gonna die pressing it

[vivid vine]

i tp'd infront of the spear on first boss priory just now

[cloud thunder]

#outlaw-faq

[vivid vine]

quick death

[vivid vessel]

HELP

[cloud thunder]

ohno

just use

worse pots

no

thinkge

[tight kernel]

just delete your char at this point, try again next season

[vivid vessel]

ye ..

its my st gear set

too much haste compared to my aoe one cause of the gally weapon

[gentle wind]

is KIR better than HO in raid?

[vivid vessel]

ho is better

bro i dont even have 40% vers

wtf

[gentle wind]

why do you play KIr then?

[past falcon]

AH

[vivid vessel]

i hate ho

[vivid vessel]

noob

low af vers

i need

i need more

[past falcon]

go get more

[vivid vessel]

i cannot

i should have crafted the engi wrists

[frank finch]

u know how to get more vers?

[vivid vessel]

hm

[frank finch]

play ho

[vivid vessel]

engi wrist

i can also do this

but its cheating

i lose 4 ilvl

wish pvp gear went to 684 ..

[past falcon]

nvm im back

[vivid vessel]

bro ..

i wish this was my actual gear bro ..

[vivid vessel]

too much

i have the perfect amount

ith one of my set

.3

!!

[past falcon]

fuck

[hidden bay]

accidentally had to do a ho key

the build is miles away from kir

[cloud thunder]

in keys ho sucks

basedhalt

[hybrid crown]

I found a macro that lets you toggle between equipment sets to get around having a duplicate weapon if you have two crowd favorite weps

so you can swap with one button no modifiers

ohh you cant swap equipment sets in combat sheit

[gaunt phoenix]

you can swap by bag slot

[vivid vine]

what's a realistic uptime of adrenaline rush in keys? even on dummies i'm not a t a 100% on a 2 min test

[gaunt phoenix]

will have to fuck with it but its like /equipslot 17 <bag #> <slot #>

[gentle wind]

why?

[gaunt phoenix]

Best keys without dying have like 92%

sometimes 95

[vivid vessel]

it doesnt have the kir button
i dont like ambush animation
its dumb af you can overcap infinite amount of cp nothing matters
I love ps rules with fth for kir which makes cp management interesting
i hate overcapping fth in subterfuge like ho does

[hybrid crown]

oh you can put the CF in your backpack and in the settings for your bags make it so your backpack can't be cleaned up

then it stays in that slot

[vivid vine]

and you prioritze Adrenaline uptime over KS and coupe right?

[hybrid crown]

that did it works great ty

[gaunt phoenix]

for vanish yes

but its kind of rare

[red zinc]

im overpressing BF in keys

[gaunt phoenix]

that you get in scenarios where you absolutely must vanish over KS

[red zinc]

didnt even know that was a thing

[vivid vine]

if i have a ks and coupe and Adrenaline rush is like 2 seconds

i just press vanish to save the adrenaline rush right?

[gaunt phoenix]

and adrenaline rush cooldown is not up soon

then yes

[vivid vine]

and do you just send adrenaline rush as a cp gen during subterfuge windows? if it comes off cd during it?

[red zinc]

can do that yes

bit of a free rule about whether you think its a waste or not I guess

[vivid vine]

trying not to send it if i have 3+ cp's

just kinda yolo'ing atm

need to check some vods of m+ runs because i am killing myself real hard with KS's

[tired marlin]

Was there something specific that occurred in last few weeks to really drive outlaw spec up the charts?

I feel like it’s performing extremely well atm

[vivid vessel]

they fixed bf hitting dead targets

[tired marlin]

Oh

What a world

[frail veldt]

probably lower parse but maybe easier boss time

[icy cedar]

my sims say to finally put circe's signet in the trash

[stoic dragon]

My cudgel seems to be bugged or something anything known?

Im playing with another outlaw who consistently has like 50% more hits with shadow quake

ive logged my last run and noticed i sometimes just dont get any proccs from the weapon even though i vanish

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/W1hKyYkbf8GQqjzC?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=4&start=9026615&end=9090470&ability=1228149

If anyone has an idea whats going on or if im just stupid, please let me know ^^

[vivid vessel]

goond trinket keeps you in comabt for some reason

[stoic dragon]

is that it?

[vivid vessel]

yep

known "bug"

[stoic dragon]

guess il play magnet + HoC then

sigh

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel https://7tv.app/emotes/01JVAZR7NEJFT57SDBK3TFM10K

i think i'll ban the guy

who made this emote

in my channel

ngl

[vivid vessel]

LOL

so real tho

how do i add it to my channel

@proven ocean

ty

[hollow temple]

[old badger]

did turbo boost change anything with the event mace? is hero capo’s w the new ilvl better now for the OH?

[wary wind]

Bis oh

[leaden folio]

Z E R S S

[stiff hawk]

That is funny

[gentle wind]

is this reason why am i not doing dps?

or im just bad

[hollow temple]

nothing changed

[wary wind]

Just bad in all likelihood

[tropic zephyr]

It's a bit less overall gained, but it still is bis

[old badger]

bless ty

[cinder relic]

https://youtu.be/h9TA941RSjw

Guys

@gaunt phoenix dude it looks so insane

[covert kestrel]

i cant wait to make a crack den

[frank finch]

we talking decent looking or wildstar level insane

[cinder relic]

Idk how insane wildstar was but

[gaunt phoenix]

im ready

release it now

[cinder relic]

The entire housing system looks like it's everything people wanted it to be, and more

[vivid vessel]

it does look good

unfortunate you are na tho

[vivid vessel]

so i wont be able to tag your house

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel why are my party frames perma like that

its so annoying

how do i fix

legit no addon i installed

nothing

just out of nothing

[vivid vessel]

like greyed out you mean ?

[proven ocean]

yes

why

[vivid vessel]

no idea cuh

[proven ocean]

it only becomes fully saturated in combat

i want to fucking punch my monitor holy shit its so annoying

i knew it

it was this piece of shit addon

fucking mouse over thing

[vivid vessel]

its a setting prolly ye

[frail veldt]

Yeah honestly it looks WAY more customizable than I thought

you can straightup make a parkour course in your house

[sullen wyvern]

guys

during Mythic OAB can I KS at all during p2?

[final sluice]

what is OAB?

[violet ferry]

One Armed Banana

[final sluice]

yeah u can

lighting will not kill ya

u will get a bit of damage though

not much - all u need to rly care is that adds dont reach you while doing so

that woud wipe

[worldly shale]

jsut saw on ur stream that ure using ambush with kir, isnt it recommended to use only sinister strike?

[final sluice]

Ambush on kir is usually q misstake

[pastel heath]

anyone know why brew trinket sims so high for outlaw? is it bait?

[final sluice]

Which?

[safe pasture]

Na bee trink bangs

Flying off into the sunset woo

[final sluice]

Shit trinket

Imo

[sullen wyvern]

Simms are supposdely bug right now

right?

[pastel heath]

so just pacemaker for dinar then?

i dont mythic raid

[sullen wyvern]

generally a good choice yea

[pastel heath]

ty!

[worldly shale]

i got the geargrinder for my dinar, am i cooked?

[final sluice]

if its mythic then no

[worldly shale]

yah its myth

[final sluice]

nah its super good

[worldly shale]

i just macrod it to ghostly strike

[final sluice]

that might be a dumb idear though

[random stirrup]

surely it was killing spree or something

[worldly shale]

yah?

[final sluice]

since u need to stnad correctly to use it

[worldly shale]

thought it was super smart xd

OHHH didnt know it was aimed

[final sluice]

if u press that trinket that thing comes out right infront of ur character - its not targeted

[worldly shale]

yeye

i should rewrite my muscle memory

and remove it from the macro

thanks xd

[final sluice]

I play with 2 active trinkets both on different keybinds - just get over it ;p

[worldly shale]

madman

[violet ferry]

macro them to Ambush and Dispatch, profit

[final sluice]

massive dps loss

so much damage amp phases in the content right now - and even if not waiting for add phases or something still way better than macro

[vivid vessel]

im not lol

i dont even have ambush bound

[final sluice]

once on a patch blizzard fucked up something and ambush was back on my stealth bar - dont ask me how that happened

I was liek "i have no energy - shit what is this"

took a while to realize

[latent oak]

the jumping puzzles are gunna go so ahrd

[worldly shale]

no way it was dispach, it was during subterfuge on ur timeline thingy

[latent oak]

cinderbrew hardest key confirmed

[vivid vessel]

crackshot

dispatch ?

[final sluice]

70% depletes cause monkey tanks overpull - 20% deplete cause healer cant heal first boss.

[latent oak]

when in crackshot, ur btes fire a dispatch at the target

and his gcd tracker counts that dispatch as a cast

even if its now

not*

[worldly shale]

AHAA

ye i was like, thats a weird ambush

yeah mb

that makes sense

[final sluice]

@vivid vessel can u share ur killing spree circle wa

ty

[vivid vessel]

its in my package i think idk

[remote pike]

this is not out yet is it boys?

[vivid vessel]

no

[final sluice]

next week

which package zac?

[vivid vessel]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[vivid vessel]

rogue

[remote pike]

i saw ur parses btw, can u chill????????? jesus

[vivid vessel]

i mean

i lost all my r1s

with the reset

havent raided yet

will get them back

[remote pike]

f that, still madly impressive

im sure u will

absolute demon

[vivid vessel]

im trying to hold every r1 at once

i think its doable

with a lucky week

but i have fierce competition

vurai is always blasting

[remote pike]

I'm about to try out for a new guild that is a bit more serious, so I was doing "homework"

[vivid vessel]

and other rogues are starting to get geared now

[remote pike]

tbh, i think my time is probably best spent just gearing to max as well

you still sticking to HO on st??

[vivid vessel]

kir you mean

i hate ho

not playing it

ho is better tho

[remote pike]

yeah my bad, seen wrong

thats u on da top

[final sluice]

for one idk

like 2fth kir is alot of fun to me - more than ho - but 1fth feels meh

[red zinc]

its just a comparison thing honestly

[final sluice]

and 2 fth is not rly compatible in keys atleast. In raid it allways sucks a bit that KiR can be hurt more by having rly bad rolls - I'd say ho is more consistent. I think if u sim it the difference is minor at best

[red zinc]

if you havent played 2fth in a while 1fth feels fine

Thats what I did anyway

[remote pike]

yeah 1 fth kinda alleviates

but i agree the rng can vary drastically in general with kir

think the safe bet for me is to stay HO on these bosses

at least some of them

[final sluice]

not rly sure but I have the feeling KiR is the way for top pars - in theory - with luck Kir can "roll with it" haha

for raid atleast - even if it sims like what 15k less or so

[remote pike]

with higher ilvl i do feel like kir should take the throne if you hyper optimize haste/crit/vers

[vivid vessel]

?

[remote pike]

but its a feeling, nothing concrete

[vivid vessel]

what

[final sluice]

What

[vivid vessel]

you think kir scales better or what

cooked

[remote pike]

😦

[latent oak]

kir scales better bc mastery is less bad

:^)

[vivid vessel]

ye in aoe

[latent oak]

bf go brr

for somereson i thought the cast of bf was uncapped

[quaint plover]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[red zinc]

he just means kir has higher variance

which i honestly have no clue of

probably not significant enough

[vivid vessel]

timmy today

[red zinc]

oh

[latent oak]

isnt ho gunna have higher variance anyways

[valid kindle]

doesn't kir have lower variance even

[vivid vessel]

you have missed al ot of context

[red zinc]

Bro that take before was cooked too

[vivid vessel]

start reading words !

stop the yapping

[red zinc]

I didnt read the other cooked take

[vivid vessel]

xdd

[red zinc]

idk what cooked take you reply to anymore atp

[jade abyss]

I wanted to check my ST weapon for dungeons https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9TjEpUFYoyN6rRMGeczS4w

What is happening here, why is the dagger simming lower am I missing something or it's related to the pin about bugged sims?

[vivid vessel]

yes

[latent oak]

cant trust crafted items in sims

[jade abyss]

aah

[latent oak]

they are simming as 687 or something like that

[jade abyss]

yeah alright I get it now

[final sluice]

@red zinc I think KiR has higher varriance on the upper side - while overall varriance is more with ho - since rly insane rolls with kir can go brrrrt - and it dosnt fall apart like HO when rly unlucky - but if u want the perfect parse I think KiR is more than competetive

[red zinc]

i dont know and i dont really care either

[final sluice]

ok bro was just answering - take chill pill

[red zinc]

Not that big of a raider

[vivid vessel]

fight ?

lets go

[final sluice]

finish him

kekw

[remote pike]

I just assumed that since we have the 18-20% haste requirement, which we sacrifice some crit vers for, that with a higher ilvl, we'll have more crit vers and that would scale better than the lower haste req of HO, but once again i didn't test it or anything, just experienced a bigger potential dps with ilvl gain on kir than on HO

[vivid vessel]

well both builds play high haste tho tbf

also if anything ho likes crit better

cause of

[final sluice]

I'm 18% ho - whatever

[final sluice]

haste that is

[vivid vessel]

this

[latent oak]

lower rp uptime too

makes crit better

[red zinc]

ai generated talent