people that ever personally attacked him where insta muted anyway
#outlaw
stiff hawk
people that ever personally attacked him where insta muted anyway
You were muted !?!?
shut lichen
aight
red zinc
i mean yeah realz harassment is very frowned upon
even pinging him is
which i mean is valid
I just imagine the current staff situation at blizz with the layoffs and everything has people doing a lot more than just developing a single class
shut lichen
tbf you can ping him
just not for stupid shit
like if he's stroking it or whatever somnius said last time
shut lichen
I couldnt imagine a worse Spec/Class Discord than Outlaw
so based and true and handsome
red zinc
to communicate with
i mean honestly
as long as you just communicate with solo or something
at least the research is done properly
cedar kernel
have a nice day brothers
red zinc
these other class discords have dog water resources
shut lichen
<:garf_sit:1334889429449314456> have a nice day brothers
have a nice day Bac
stiff hawk
these other class discords have dog water resources
Thats true
cedar kernel
:hi:
red zinc
wouldnt that make it all the easier for them to create a good minmax resource?
their guides are just objectively worse
even the wowhead ones
stiff hawk
Can be both tbh
red zinc
like while trying to learn dk I just couldn't get an easy answer on certain shit
because everyone thought something else
no clear consensus on optimizations
red zinc
ye true
stiff hawk
or similar
shut lichen
monk is good too
red zinc
mage is ranged rogue though so
vivid vessel
You were muted !?!?
not for these reasons no
red zinc
zac you just gotta realize though
they really do not have a high priority on this
very low in fact
it is what it is
vivid vessel
That's not what we are talking about
stiff hawk
Rogue in general is low Priority
shut lichen
Rogue in general is low Priority
ur my highest
vivid vessel
He is saying realz left cause we harassed him basically
stiff hawk
I mean some did
vivid vessel
Which isn't true in the slightest
red zinc
they could give less of a fuck if a small share of an already tiny class playerbase has issues with spec design
they gotta appease to the 80% world content players
vivid vessel
People weren't happy about some of the work he did, that's different from the person
red zinc
He is saying realz left cause we harassed him basically
oh ye iknow more about the stuff you said earlier
vivid vessel
And that's just normal
stiff hawk
ur my highest
stiff hawk
People weren't happy about some of the work he did, that's different from the pe...
Its about how people phrased it
vivid vessel
Have you ever seen a class discord being positive about changes
Like idk
It's expected
shut lichen
He is saying realz left cause we harassed him basically
Realz didn't leave he just doesn't interact as much
vivid vessel
Doesn't change anything if he is directly reading it or not
stiff hawk
Saying "I dont like why you did this, because of this and this" or " This dogshit devs dont know shit, how could a Peprson with atleast 1 IQ Point think this is a good idea smh my head"
is big difference
vivid vessel
No one ever said that tho
shell fossil
idk if someone negged me i'd just stop listening when they went and did talking
shut lichen
almost like we should try to be more positive so the negative shit sticks out mo...
or have something constructive rather than X is clueless yada yada
vivid vessel
People that said that got insta muted with message deleted
red zinc
No one ever said that tho
they definitely have, not people with any significance though
vivid vessel
You guys are litteraly inventing shit
red zinc
literally 1984
shut lichen
being deleted meant it happened in the first place
vivid vessel
Ye and they were sent back to where they came from
shut lichen
literally 1984
goated reference
red zinc
zac you're inventing people to fight with rn
vivid vessel
It's just randos yapping non-sense
red zinc
we agree with you
vivid vessel
Saying "I dont like why you did this, because of this and this" or " This dogshi...
You guys are acting as if this
shell fossil
zac get off phone ur capitalizing everything
vivid vessel
Was an actual issue
shell fossil
strem
vivid vessel
The comments that were made directly towards devs were always so.heavely moderated
It's irrelevant
Like who tf cares one rando insulted realz mom
He got banned
Go next
stiff hawk
its a mental health thing
shut lichen
i'd imagine the Realz person would tbf
shut lichen
but again this is whatever
stiff hawk
Its still does something
vivid vessel
That's just being a public persona lol bro, some people are degenerate and will say degenerate things
That's just internet
tulip jewel
1000%
stiff hawk
Yes
vivid vessel
Realz didn't leave cause of that ??
tulip jewel
shouldn't be on the internet if anything anyone says is gonna affect your mental health
shut lichen
yeah so if you don't want to deal with that you step back?
red zinc
i dont think realz wants to be a public persona though
stiff hawk
But he decided to value his Mental health more
red zinc
hes just a dev
vivid vessel
Like it wasn't even a big issue, not many people did this
stiff hawk
than listining to randos on a discord
shell fossil
some ppl only see 4d chess, theres a whole 5th dimension clearly
stiff hawk
Bro
shut lichen
some ppl only see 4d chess, theres a whole 5th dimension clearly
6th even
stiff hawk
So many people shit on devs here
vivid vessel
yeah so if you don't want to deal with that you step back?
I find it quite coincidental that him stepping back from discord also coincide with no more work being done on rogue
stiff hawk
and used realz as scapegoat
vivid vessel
maybe im yapping tho
stiff hawk
not only here
shell fossil
tbh glad they gave killing spree a chance this season though after being a lol button for yearz
vivid vessel
ye
red zinc
sent a message lil bit ago too
shut lichen
warrior hasn't even had 1 rework
vivid vessel
Brother
red zinc
they arent doing shit rn
shut lichen
since the DF talent trees came out
vivid vessel
I'm talking about
red zinc
vivid vessel
Easier
shut lichen
everyone not eating
shut lichen
Reach
red zinc
combat evolved
vivid vessel
There was no work done on the hero trees
Like
Everyone knows this
I find it a bit fishy that it coincide with when realz stopped interacting is all
stiff hawk
vivid vessel
Ye
Tinfoil hat all you want
Dev left discord
No work done anymore
Coïncidence
I think not
red zinc
you know what else is a coincidence
shut lichen
tbf even Realz came to ask about that
so it's not like he doesn't read here sometimes
shell fossil
bte applies a stun in sod shared with kidney shoot, its tremendous
those two teams
should hang out
shut lichen
fuck knows what's happening in Ye Old Blizzard HQ
red zinc
i mean thats literally what i mean
stiff hawk
bte applies a stun in sod shared with kidney shoot, its tremendous
Bro that was the case till BFA
stiff hawk
BTW was a stun always
red zinc
but other than that they have "more important shit to do" (in their eyes)
what that may be
no clue
shell fossil
what the fud
shut lichen
BTW was a stun always
BTW
stiff hawk
Like Legion and BFA BTE was a stun
shut lichen
so goated
vivid vessel
theres just 0 priority to fix rogue rn
there is when its public
stiff hawk
i think with SL it got removed
stiff hawk
I mean
vivid vessel
idk whats up with that
red zinc
I mean thats just a workflow thing
vivid vessel
Are devs just afk till they have pressure from the higher ups or what
red zinc
thats literally a common life thing what?
shut lichen
Common the rapper?
coolest bald headed man
stiff hawk
Common the rapper?
Common dro
stiff hawk
Grey
vivid vessel
Every other bug you fix is a new thing you start that takes time
shut lichen
the Metro Dome on him
red zinc
bd they dont look at rogue for months on end according to you
stiff hawk
red zinc
they gotta get used to how rogue works again all over if they dont fix it all in one go
vivid vessel
<:COPIUM:848757417156149248>
Explain to me
stiff hawk
Just wait for guys Mid-Expansion review
vivid vessel
How these bug fixes
stiff hawk
and we see if it gets fixed
vivid vessel
It's unprecedented btw
stiff hawk
BF was a game breaking bug
daring oxide
But tbf, some classes arent as complex
I don’t think any class is tbh
shut lichen
the bugs we talked about in discord a lot?
shut lichen
ok you're yapping too much i gotta refresh register for my minor course
what minor?
stiff hawk
and they are "fast" with game breaking stuff
red zinc
what minor?
AI in engineering
they opened it 2 minutes earlier buncha idiots
wtf
now im in queue
shut lichen
stiff hawk
I don’t think any class is tbh
Mage
shut lichen
I don’t think any class is tbh
augmentation in raid 
daring oxide
and they are "fast" with game breaking stuff
Well I would disagree, BF has been bugged on dead targets for years, I was reporting this issue back in dragonflight and in first tier TWW (but just didn’t know it was due to dead targets)
red zinc
Well I would disagree, BF has been bugged on dead targets for years, I was repor...
i mean
if you hear a bunch of people in this channel saying something is bugged with 0 specifics
do you really put effort into that
daring oxide
But isn’t QA or debugging usually the work of the development/QA team?
red zinc
we just sound like conspiracy theorists half the time
stiff hawk
Well I would disagree, BF has been bugged on dead targets for years, I was repor...
Yes it was, but we never had proof
shut lichen
yeah it is
stiff hawk
or the research
shut lichen
if they had one
daring oxide
Why does it take a bunch of mentally ill outlaw gamers to figure it out
vivid vessel
BF was a game breaking bug
The minors one were litteraly irrelevant
shut lichen
but also this bug has existed since like MoP
vivid vessel
They only got fixed because some higher up put pressure on the devs
daring oxide
we just sound like conspiracy theorists half the time
Hahaha this is so true
vivid vessel
100%
shut lichen
and no one ever bothered to check why dead targets were flagged
stiff hawk
Ye nobody checked it ever
daring oxide
and no one ever bothered to check why dead targets were flagged
Yeah in the end Zac and Solo finally solved it I believe
stiff hawk
and no one ever bothered to check why dead targets were flagged
Because it was uncapped
daring oxide
Ah it was Loktark? Ah nice
stiff hawk
It only was a Problem since target cap
shut lichen
Because it was uncapped
more than likely ye
vivid vessel
Lok noticed it was dead targets ye
He is goated like that
Thank me for being tilted doing tank damage tho
daring oxide
I honestly wish I did a way better job of figuring it out, I should of properly reported it with logs when I first started to notice it via floating damage numbers
vivid vessel
Ye same
daring oxide
I slacked so fucking hard
daring oxide
Lok noticed it was dead targets ye
GG
stiff hawk
Slackvai
shut lichen
I honestly wish I did a way better job of figuring it out, I should of properly ...
tbf that's just a wierd ass consequence of a recent problem
daring oxide
Thank me for being tilted doing tank damage tho
Yup you did a good combat log analysis tbh
Pretty much hard proof
vivid vessel
Would be for pc
daring oxide
It’s just wild that all this time when outlaw looked sus and seemed to do less than normal damage in larger uncapped pulls was always due to dead targets all this time
Think of NW, COT, Arakara, and all the other giga pull dungeons in previous expansions
All that lost BF damage
shut lichen
Would be for pc
you'd just tinker it a bit or something i'd guess
daring oxide
In the trillions
shut lichen
idk i don't develop shit besides depression
shut lichen
Think of NW, COT, Arakara, and all the other giga pull dungeons in previous expa...
dw you can run it back in Arakara again
shell fossil
do they change the mechanics when old dungeons come back or are we just doing the ara kara again
shut lichen
we voted
gaunt phoenix
the devs should investigate every schizopost in here
shut lichen
(i didn't)
gaunt phoenix
and get paid
shell fossil
daring oxide
the devs should investigate every schizopost in here
Loooool
shut lichen
do they change the mechanics when old dungeons come back or are we just doing th...
you get 4 returning TWW dung and 4 of something else
i prayge for Karazhan again
shell fossil
yeah but i mean, do they change any of the content for the old dungeons
daring oxide
Honestly we are so sus of our own outlaw spec but it’s good to do so
shut lichen
so it's tuned rough week 1 again
daring oxide
The spec is wildly complex and so many interactions
shut lichen
and i deplete almost every run i do
shell fossil
afaiu waycrest manor was changed for example, same with ml so is ara kara gonna get tweaked ?_?
daring oxide
Guys i think im doing more damage than the item level gain allows
No solo keep this one quiet
vivid vessel
Guys i think im doing more damage than the item level gain allows
This one is so funny
Also so true
I logged on
daring oxide
What’s the context behind that though lol
red zinc
you're the context vurai
vivid vessel
(it was a 12)
vivid vessel
Tonight I am
daring oxide
Ok nice
vivid vessel
I just need to upgrade my crafted items now
tulip jewel
ez +11 ilvls in one day
vivid vessel
I did everything else
tulip jewel
feels crazy haha
daring oxide
I think the point of turbo boost is a dopamine reset
stiff hawk
the devs should investigate every schizopost in here
Real
daring oxide
And get everyone playing again
red zinc
i want to grind keys but im stuck in uni registration queue
daring oxide
And a passive nerf to raids
tulip jewel
i want to grind keys but im stuck in uni registration queue
just don't register for uni, ez solution
red zinc
im already at uni
vivid vessel
Hn
red zinc
its for my minor
vivid vessel
Ah nvm ye
daring oxide
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jZi11J6qoZePvuGnA4SdqQ
No cursed vers?
late swallow
its for my minor
daring oxide
should be 682 though i think
It’s same for me, if I swap offhand I’m 683
Well 682 still using 671 pacemaker
daring oxide
I always forget to swap for bosses
vivid vessel
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/89ZVrvtixVyV9FCFpmKrej ok what about this one
daring oxide
Probably not a big deal
late swallow
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/89ZVrvtixVyV9FCFpmKrej ok what about this...
This is really good
daring oxide
2% if you get depths enchant on oh
Oh Jesus
vivid vessel
No cursed vers?
I have enchant sim in that one
daring oxide
That’s quite a bit aye
vivid vessel
So doesn't look like it
daring oxide
I have enchant sim in that one
Ahh ok
red zinc
That’s quite a bit aye
i mean its just a 658 oh without the effect
daring oxide
I need to re sim with other enchant options
vivid vessel
683!!!!
daring oxide
I’m so annoyed sin does so much boss damage though
vivid vessel
I would need to replace my crafteds but I can't
daring oxide
Nerf sin
red zinc
i think about playing sin
vivid vessel
I mean ye
tulip jewel
because short fights
vivid vessel
Lol
red zinc
and then i realize i suck at sin
daring oxide
That’s true
vivid vessel
I have played with zeross enough to know
red zinc
finally good at it now
daring oxide
It’s actually so OP
stiff hawk
and then i realize i suck at sin
Playing bleed build
is like
you cant do anything wrong
red zinc
playing bleed build is for PAB
stiff hawk
you just do infinite dps
daring oxide
Zeross plays differently to the mainstream sins though right?
vivid vessel
Just a diff build
red zinc
idk about infinite dps though
vivid vessel
But also you pull adds on like every boss in the game man
vivid vessel
Sin players are just stupid
Rookery is by far the worse boss damage outlaw dungeon tho
Every boss is terrible
daring oxide
Zeross sin guide when (written coherently though please not in Zeross language)
stiff hawk
played with a few sins in 14s so far
Random rogues always suck
daring oxide
Rookery is by far the worse boss damage outlaw dungeon tho
Ya it’s rough, first boss, last boss no burst for amp so you have to pray to get 5 natty or lock in 6 buffs for those windows
red zinc
Zeross sin guide when (written coherently though please not in Zeross language)
no in zeross language
thatd be great actually
nobody could understand it but us
daring oxide
It’d be hilarious content
red zinc
so assa players wouldnt get better at the game
daring oxide
Yup haha
Sin guide written by ex outlaw
Was watching Zeross do a 19 rookery yesterday, he went out changed to sub for last boss and was doing insane damage
Cooldowns line perfectly with the burst windows
Amp*
stiff hawk
no in zeross language
When its not written while having 10 Redbulls in, i dont want to read it
shell fossil
yeah for 2nd boss rookery losing buffs to unignorable mechanics would give me the 😦
daring oxide
I think I’m too conservative with KIR in keys
I find myself fishing too much for extra cto or hoping too much for 5 natty
tulip jewel
just send it
daring oxide
So losing out on KIR usages especially in bad rtb low roll keys
vivid vessel
I force it a lot I think
daring oxide
Was looking at our keys yesterday Zac
vivid vessel
Honestly ii don't remember
daring oxide
And you were doing well with KIR when you had low roll moments
vivid vessel
I'm playing kir by vibes
tulip jewel
vibe roller
daring oxide
I need to be more like that
Yeah I do too but I’m too
Greedy
Like wanting more cro
CTO
I always think in my head
vivid vessel
I fish a lot aswell
daring oxide
So I like have KIR ready for like 30 second without sending
Or have it off cd for too long
If you get me?
vivid vessel
Ye idk I guess
daring oxide
It hurts most when I keep low rolling back to back
daring oxide
I also fish a lot but I never miss sn opportunity to send
Sometimes I just zone out
Tbh
vivid vessel
Like even if it's not Great cto
vivid vessel
I will lock before it goes
daring oxide
Cos I was looking for kicks etc
vivid vessel
But I fish a lot
slate plaza
Good thing I haven’t blown my dinars yet
shell fossil
i can't find my orange soda, also got a hero track hoc lmao 😐
there were trials for new mythic raiders on tuesday and i hit a 91 parse on h vexie which was money also, sin doe idk how that fight works on outaw
old gull
As if outlaw wasn’t difficult for me enough, now swapping weapons in and out added a whole new element for my small brain
brisk meadow
ok mr
distant finch
What’s the point of switching weapon btw ? Poison proc opti ?
brisk meadow
683 ilvl
brisk meadow
SORRY
brisk meadow
just buy mythic track
brisk meadow
Me neither
red zinc
crafted items most goated addition to this game in the last few expansions ngl
brisk meadow
stiff hawk
I mean i prolly can after today
brisk meadow
wut
stiff hawk
but i wanted full power for Mythic Gally
red zinc
you bought the ring while mid prog"?
brisk meadow
you close to done?
gaunt phoenix
What’s the point of switching weapon btw ? Poison proc opti ?
the cudgel is bis on trash because vanish resets the proc, but this doesnt work on bosses
red zinc
stiff hawk
It doesnt matter
stiff hawk
when content is clear
stiff hawk
i dont do m+
late swallow
Yeah that’s fair
stiff hawk
and i dont even know what to use the other 2 for
late swallow
It’s based
late swallow
You’re based
stiff hawk
late swallow
like i ahve mythic pacemaker and house of cards
Never got my myth hawk tuah
red zinc
i unironically think trinkets should have some sort of transmog
brisk meadow
stiff hawk
like you just got a big ass bike on your back
i already have that on mythic
late swallow
i unironically think trinkets should have some sort of transmog
Would be cool. I think we should be able to do gloves separately like shoulders
red zinc
Would be cool. I think we should be able to do gloves separately like shoulders
the glove does not fit
stiff hawk
because sub is zero dmg
rotund zodiac
I wanted to use dinar on mythic track raid items but I only pug first 2 bosses
stiff hawk
brisk meadow
not zero
late swallow
the glove does not fit
Wdym
brisk meadow
just a bit more than zero
brisk meadow
sub/assa are so boring tho
stiff hawk
My Dinar items prolly are Mugzee weapon
brisk meadow
but i want to quit wow
stiff hawk
and Mythic Gally ring
brisk meadow
when i hit killingspree
late swallow
one single white glove mog goes hard
That would look sick for sure
distant finch
the cudgel is bis on trash because vanish resets the proc, but this doesnt work ...
Oh thx for the info !
covert kestrel
That would look sick for sure
late swallow
https://tenor.com/view/ok-simpson-glove-gif-10604887388124407054
Most goated life arc from OJ
Kills people and saws a dudes head off
Now he just golfs on tiktok
wintry solar
Well now he's dead
covert kestrel
lmaoo
uneven stag
find it hard to sim something, trying to figure out if heroic molten knuckle would be better than max rank crafted. Would still have to craft a weapon as well. Would anyone know how I could sim this or would it just mean sim twice with both options?
covert kestrel
find it hard to sim something, trying to figure out if heroic molten knuckle wou...
top gear you just search and put the name of the weapon in on the box on top of the gear selection
leaden folio
finally done with all upgrade https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u6Cp6RZHnaLPnxS72AjYp1
uneven stag
awesome, thanks @covert kestrel
gaunt phoenix
find it hard to sim something, trying to figure out if heroic molten knuckle wou...
you would normally use top gear to generate an item to your bags but raidbots is a bit weird rn
capo is better anyway tho
uneven stag
capo offhand and crafted mainhand unless myth track I assume?
gaunt phoenix
Yes
covert kestrel
with the champ cudgel for keys/aoe groups in keys
covert kestrel
use both, use the macro in the pin to switch for st and aoe
gaunt phoenix
no you use both cudgel and capo offhands, you weapon swap
covert kestrel
theres also a wa that reminds you to swtich each time you leave combat, v useful lol
main warren
how good is the wax whistle? gota mythic one in vault and already got a mythic seaforium
lone spear
its pretty good, its worse than pacemaker on big pulls, but whistle better on smaller/st
but sim yoself to be sure
glass mortar
itll probably depend on how much crit u have, for me whistle and pacemaker are identical at target cap but whistle scales better to smaller target counts
and wins on st
main warren
ah ok, yeah will sim... got a normal zee thug hotline atm
light kernel
Whats diff % between hc and mythic capo
gaunt phoenix
it should average ahead of pacemaker tbh i think people oversell the pacemaker
dunno if the minecart path can get obstructed and miss tho
gaunt phoenix
Whats diff % between hc and mythic capo
like 1.5%
stray star
there is something i can use like whetstone i can use on de mace ?
gaunt phoenix
ya weightstones
wintry solar
ya weightstones
Capo takes weightstone too?
gaunt phoenix
no
wintry solar
Ty
light kernel
top 50 outlaw rogues
Some of em aint raiders
remote pike
apparently I'm wrong again
dont sweat it, and here's the "trend" for mythic raiding
https://www.archon.gg/wow/builds/outlaw/rogue/raid/overview/mythic/all-bosses
u can specify fights and see what % of players use it or w/e
stiff hawk
Capo takes weightstone too?
Its a fist weapon
vivid vessel
no!
glass mortar
the reason for the answer to any why is X doing X with X trinket question is all our trinkets r weak enough the margins between them are very slim
ilvl will almost always win for basically the top 8 of our best trinkets
i didnt know how much this was the case until i simmed every raid trinket and most dungeon trinkets on my profile to find the best combo
copper radish
Capo takes weightstone too?
Sharp stone 😂
vivid vessel
FRFR
red zinc
oh god
desert tendon
Your cat pic?
vivid vessel
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/89ZVrvtixVyV9FCFpmKrej my ilvl in exactly 7.5 keys
vivid vessel
desert tendon
And i m happy
red zinc
u quit right
glass mortar
zac i did an 10 cinderbrew last night
and i figured id try out ghostly no PC since most of the pulls are pretty big
i forgot what pug 10s were like
we 1 packed the whole dungeon
red zinc
big pulls in a pug 10
glass mortar
red zinc
glass mortar
LISTEN
red zinc
regardless theres a lot of health variance in that dungeon
even with big pulls id still take pc
idk how ho works though i just have both
wicked kestrel
So im simming a recraft on stats. raidbots is telling me recraft my neck to crit/vers but my haste is at like 7%. and my crit 22%.
pastel sierra
Are you playing with HO
wicked kestrel
how do i know which one is ho? sorry. im still new to outlaw
wicked kestrel
oh yes i am!
glass mortar
if u think a sim looks weird u can always link the sim
wicked kestrel
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dzkzLkeYJZEnAL1A6VJt5P
Context: Recrafting from Assassination to Outlaw
random stirrup
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/89ZVrvtixVyV9FCFpmKrej my ilvl in exactly...
noob!
glass mortar
well its swapping all ur gems and enchants to haste so thats probably getting u back to the minimum haste needed for the build u are simming
which is like 8-9% for ho
glass mortar
u are however simming the wrong build
glass mortar
u have 4set so you should be simming HO supercharger from the Faq
wicked kestrel
u have 4set so you should be simming HO supercharger from the Faq
oh shit. ill swap builds now
radiant bloom
Is there a m+ trickster build which isn't playing KS ? How do you manage to not die to rng from aoe
glass mortar
fatebound is a little better then trying to play kspree without ks
late hill
Does someone know how to fix the issue when boss disappears after pressing vanish? just soloing bosses and this pisses me off
void canopy
u cant play trickster without ks
do u know the game fear & hunger?, something like this u die u learn u repeat
glass mortar
Does someone know how to fix the issue when boss disappears after pressing vanis...
pause to make sure you are off gcd before vanishing and mash BtE as u vanish to instantly break it
there is no way to 100% prevent this tho
works like 95% of the time
radiant bloom
Ok I'm asking for a friend who's tryna reroll into it but doesn't like KS
glass mortar
just the way it is in solo content unfortunatly
plush flint
Killing spree saves me sometimes too tho 🙂
glass mortar
Ok I'm asking for a friend who's tryna reroll into it but doesn't like KS
to be clear, the answer "play fatebound" is also kinda coping because fatebound is so bad in aoe it probably barely beats playing trickster with no ks
plush flint
50/50
glass mortar
the reality is if u care about dps but hate kspree outlaw is not a good spec to play right now
radiant bloom
Aight thx
pastel sierra
Does someone know how to fix the issue when boss disappears after pressing vanis...
Dont press vanish or swap spec to one that doesnt press it every 40 seconds
wicked kestrel
u have 4set so you should be simming HO supercharger from the Faq
So swapping to that right build. Should I still just follow the sim at this point. I didn't know HO only required 8-9%
glass mortar
only the HO varient u simmed wants 8-9%
supercharger HO wants like 15-19%
depending on if you have ghostly or not
wicked kestrel
only the HO varient u simmed wants 8-9%
oh okay. So if i sim again itll most likely tell me something else
remote pike
yippee just ks'ed as boss was getting pulled and game got hardlocked
ready for release
glass mortar
yea probably tell u to keep it haste vers
wicked kestrel
❤️
glass mortar
the haste value needed is a bit more nebulious past 10% for that HO build tho so, if ur crit is really doomed crit might be strong enough to eek it out
it really just depends on ur stats but u can trust sims
wicked kestrel
thats wild its still telling my crit vers on the neck
wait i think i fucked up hold on
pastel sierra
@wicked kestrel where are your embellishments btw
wicked kestrel
Non-existant atm. I'm still trying to figure how to make sin and outlaw embelisments work with 3 remaining crafts
Thinking wrist/ring - outlaw then weapon/and something idk. or ill just recraft when I need to swap.
pastel sierra
Sin wants wep, outlaw you just throw focus lenses somewhere
wicked kestrel
may sin wep/cloak outlaw ring/wrist?
pastel sierra
Yeah something like that
wicked kestrel
im still catching up in gear. only been a few weeks since i been back. all i know is i want to get the fuck away from this cyrces.
cold jewel
Rogue is just objectively a bad class with an arbitrary increased difficulty for people just want something harder for the sake of playing something “harder”. When the balance is in their favor, they can be competitive DPS or maybe even top DPS compared to easier classes. But even then, they are still handicapped at anything else when solo compared to classes that can self heal, attack from range, or have a pet.
lusty sparrow
are sims still buggy for the crafting thing
bro I played shaco pre buff in league Im used to agony
latent oak
outlaw is sick in open world combat now they fixed the subterfuge bug
lusty sparrow
truege
cold jewel
the pasta is going so hard today
brisk meadow
Kinda miss it being stealth and rush ticking down
latent oak
ya xd
brisk meadow
I mean
latent oak
is the copy pasta from reddit of forums
latent oak
doesnt read like a ryu copypasta
short fulcrum
outlaw is sick in open world combat now they fixed the subterfuge bug
Yeah I really enjoy the open world gameplay of vanishing and the mobs resetting
brisk meadow
I stopped at bad class
latent oak
Yeah I really enjoy the open world gameplay of vanishing and the mobs resetting
press vanish mid fan the hammer
and they wont reset
cold jewel
is the copy pasta from reddit of forums
latent oak
or just be fast and they wont reset 80% of the time
short fulcrum
I'm playing the no FTH build 
copper radish
i assume early levels as outlaw still sucks tho
Leveling up a new char? Sucks till about the 30s when u can get the flurry aoe talents lol
jolly geyser
Just bought a matrix then I remember I need a glided crest also for neck recraft from s1
latent oak
legion remix coming up get all ur leveling done during that
lusty sparrow
3rd roguue
copper radish
legion remix coming up get all ur leveling done during that
12th rogue incoming. What race for that one lol
lusty sparrow
Tauren
latent oak
panda ofc
copper radish
Got that already
pastel sierra
Depending on what rewards we get i might get another rogue too
latent oak
im doing a rogue just to do the order hall
copper radish
Rogue with artifact wep with infinite power gonna go hard
Was flurry still uncapped in legion? How do we get the full experience 😂
lusty sparrow
wasnt bfa the incident
lusty sparrow
The cappening
copper radish
Who do we gotta bribe for legion remix to bring back the uncappening
And honestly after two seasons without it. I want my 8yard melee range back please blizz
latent oak
acro>uncap
pearl trout
Remix just uses the same balance we have, it would be great if they modified skills to mimic the class balance from the expansion
fallen knot
acro>uncap
10000% yes
leaden folio
early legion you have :
everything get reduce cooldown, even cos ;
bladeflury is permanent (but reduce your energy or smth like that)
NOTHING have gcd (you can press blade flury, adr, evade, feint, etc.. on 1 sec)
between the eye doin stun
like
copper radish
10000% yes
Plus the flurry talent adding 3 more yards pls
late swallow
legion remix will be an absolute banger
if wonder if they'll make all the mythic mounts purchaseable
leaden folio
if legion remix is on same server/version as retail, you get huge scam
late swallow
like shackled urzul and shit
copper radish
early legion you have :
everything get reduce cooldown, even cos ;
bladeflury is...
Perma flurry from artifact wep sounds nasty
pearl trout
if legion remix is on same server/version as retail, you get huge scam
That's how MoP Remix was
novel socket
pearl trout
yup
copper radish
All I know is we get mythic keys for legion again. So court and vault. I’ll see u all there for trinkets/ring
leaden folio
so it will be bad for rogue
late swallow
it's probably easier to make remix with the retail version of the game
than to dig up the legion architecutre
copper radish
Bout to no life those keys for trink/ring lol
pearl trout
I mean, you can still get million stats and play by yourself
leaden folio
yo imagine 1sec
that the court of star ring gonna be shit
while it was absolute bis
copper radish
I just want faulty or tira to be good this time around
leaden folio
I think I m gonna hate too much legion remix because I know what is legion
copper radish
Who knows maybe they surprise us and port us back ti legion server n all lol
fallen knot
it's spam maw of souls for legendaries and ap
jolly geyser
maybe you can buy the legendaries like in last patch
copper radish
Ima be praying every night they give us mage tower wep skin recolor
pearl trout
I want to see if they make new transmogs or forms for the Mage Tower in Remix
copper radish
Want those sin daggers and the outlaw rapiers
pastel sierra
I'd like either a new colour for those who already had it and unlocking all other ones or a new obtainable one
pearl trout
and is probably the best chance to finally include Evoker in the Mage Tower
quasi verge
I think I m gonna hate too much legion remix because I know what is legion
what does this mean
leaden folio
it mean that I like so much the gameplay of legion
that doin legion with the gameplay of retail gonna make me sad
tight kernel
For OAB, running the HO + PC build, do I want to stay on boss or should I be swapping to adds? Could use some tips for fight if anyone got some
glass mortar
if ur progging the fight im not sure that PC is the way to go
probably the most overall damage, potentially not the most useful damage at this point in prog tho
as for what to target, it really just depends on if u guys are struggling to kill adds in time or not (you shouldnt be)
when GM is up with all ur buffs u will be cleaving a secondary target for 112% damage so technically speaking, focusing an add with GM up will do more damage to the boss then hitting it, probably dont need to super worry about min maxing that tho
id be more focused on not misbaiting coins with kspree/not dying at this point
shy sandal
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
glass mortar
im not sure who else i could poke for OaB prog tips since i am no longer doing that (they killed it while i was out for work so its not prog anymore), maybe @fathom bramble
the boss was also pretty different when he killed it tho, u could make more of a case for PC being "useful damage" on prog i think
all of the nerfs/gear buffs have made it so adds dying in time should almost never be a serious issue
gaunt phoenix
when GM is up with all ur buffs u will be cleaving a secondary target for 112% d...
120%
gaunt phoenix
nice
glass mortar
oh was there some new math done or did the original math just miss something being additive or multiplicative
regardless, the point stands
gaunt phoenix
the gm fix changed it to 20% multiplicative
glass mortar
ah
random stirrup
gm being changed to multiplicative is also a big buff right?
mighty pivot
it's not as big as it sounds
gaunt phoenix
It's at most 6.67% more BF damage at 2 targets but scales downward with more
limpid stream
feint and evasion reduce dmg done by killing spree or not ?
glass mortar
you mean like in pvp being kspreed on by another player?
limpid stream
nah just the dot u take
glass mortar
kinda confusing question
limpid stream
by taking dmg during it
glass mortar
oh well, no the dot damage cant be reduced, but the hits that turn into a dot can be
so feint does technically reduce it sure
gaunt phoenix
if you use them before ks then you take less damage and therefore take less stagger
glass mortar
the dot is just based on any damage you take during it
limpid stream
so its far better to feint before ks than after
dire dagger
thinking of having amess around wit outlaw again havnt played it since DF. But generally whats the recommended build for an M+ player 10-12 level keys. Saw alot on the wowhead guides, then sites like archon use different bbuilds so bit confused 😄
glass mortar
trickster HO with PC no ghostly
gaunt phoenix
tight kernel
im not sure who else i could poke for OaB prog tips since i am no longer doing t...
Well we are prog last bit, 8% pb so far. Just thinking of most optimal play, pc with funnel on boss? Got the ks timing down and baits are good now just need to kill
dire dagger
and sites like ARchon having Ghostly etc is that not really optinum/recommended?
glass mortar
well taking PC will only reduce ur boss damage over the fight
PC is for add damage
which, you could argue depending on what ur guild is struggling with, is kinda paddy at this point
steady crane
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
glass mortar
PC is only "funnel" on boss if you have GM and you are hitting a secondary target that isnt the boss and there is only 2 targets within BF range
and you will still do far less damage to the boss then you would have done playing ghostly
especially during the lust burn
gaunt phoenix
and sites like ARchon having Ghostly etc is that not really optinum/recommended?
its a choice
dire dagger
right ok thanks, ill go with the advised learn to actually play the spec again 🙂
steady crane
Hi, i've got a question, is that better to use a finisher at 5-7 cp (on HO) than to use a builder? And do i need to use supercharge on 7 cp only on not?
glass mortar
supercharge doesnt effect when u use finishers at all CP wise
and for ho builds
there is an additional small minmax you can do as well but its not a big deal
steady crane
tbh i don't see my supercharge CP on my wa. Not easy to know when i've them and how powerfull it is
glass mortar
actually that is just part of the baseline rules now
you dont really need to track them for any reason
other then knowing that ur kspree is gunna suddenly last an additional ~1 second sometimes
steady crane
hum... ok ! 🙂
glass mortar
i think some of the recommended WA might track them but im not sure because i still dont track them xd
gaunt phoenix
dont really need to track supercharger it just happens
steady crane
it's just like "2 combos point swill act as double"
timber cipher
does hekili works well with outlaw ?
glass mortar
its just ur next finisher acts like it consumed 3 more cp
frail veldt
Not double but 3 extra cps
glass mortar
you dont need to worry about it
steady crane
so one CP act as 3 total cp ..?
glass mortar
it doesnt change any rules for trickster builds
frail veldt
so one CP act as 3 total cp ..?
4
steady crane
ok ! 🙂
frail veldt
But you've still use finisher at 5
gaunt phoenix
it just buffs your next finisher by +3cp, if you finish at 7cp it is treated as 10cp
steady crane
ok, and i need to generate them as much as possible if i don't get 5 nat buff / 4 buff near fading
glass mortar
as HO if you dont have a 5 buff, you roll on cd yes
steady crane
it honnestly feel kinda weir to roll that much but ok
glass mortar
with this seasons 4set bonus*
steady crane
i've read that i can sit on 4 buff
but i don't really care of "wich one buff" it's just the number i got
glass mortar
yup
steady crane
i wont complain it's always something less to track but it feel weird, because i don't know from memory wich buff give what advantage
z
like "more combo point, more cdr"
but ok! Thx
timber cipher
Hi does hekili work well with outlaw ?
frail veldt
i wont complain it's always something less to track but it feel weird, because i...
None of them change your rotation(except RP but it's a very small increase to play around it)
frail veldt
Hi does hekili work well with outlaw ?
Not many people in here use hekili
I don't think default hekili works well for outlaw
I've heard it needs some settings changed
timber cipher
thankss
craggy quiver
Outlaw doesn't seem bad in keys after the bug fixes. Hitting over 5m overall
glass mortar
damage in aoe is definitly strong now
wouldnt put it up with the meta stuff but its quite good
and we are back to obliterating +10s
craggy quiver
Still getting giga blasted in big lust pulls
shy sandal
is the nightfall weapon stronger than HC capo for off hand?
craggy quiver
But it's like a constant 10-12m in aor
glass mortar
i did a cinderbrew 12 with some friends last night and the group had 2 PIs and a evoker
he hit 35m dps in first pull
☠️
glass mortar
is the nightfall weapon stronger than HC capo for off hand?
in dungeon style aoe it is stronger then any weapon in the oh
even 684 capo
(altho thats not really a comparison since you would be wearing a 684 capo in your mh)
glass mortar
doing cinderbrew before and after bugfix is like night and day ngl
bug might have been 20% dps in this key unironically the way its usually pulled
gaunt phoenix
its funny as Trickster that dispatch and KS should have the same number of casts
chilly dagger
Any adr uptime tips? I can keep it 70-80 but I'm sure I should be closer to upper 80-90. Def easier as ho. Lately I've tried always hitting my AR when it's already up just so I can get some cdr in my windows. I think that's right. Sometimes I get caught with my pants down and no vanish charges with 1 min on AR.
rotund zodiac
!up
ornate heathBOT
gaunt phoenix
its hard to say cause every global contributes to cdr reduction
rotund zodiac
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/...
hmm no incentive in doing 13 up for crests
gaunt phoenix
!commonerrors
ornate heathBOT
Common errors for Outlaw -> see this answer in the FAQ.
pastel sierra
hmm no incentive in doing 13 up for crests
12s so u don't have to deal with affix
Is nice
rotund zodiac
yea, and it's max for crests drop
pastel sierra
Or whatever your resilient key level is
glass mortar
12s is peak for crest farming if u have a ok group and a friendo with resilient
u only go higher for ego
gaunt phoenix
one common error i see is people coming out of a vanish window and hitting a final raw bte instead of ks
random stirrup
one common error i see is people coming out of a vanish window and hitting a fin...
but it feels so good
glass mortar
just casting bte till it goes on cd
id imagine it might be in the 2% area even
since u are wasting time and a full builder of kspree cdr
almost every crackshot probably for some people
i only do it if my last BtE of a crackshot was an ace proc but still
leave this to me
gaunt phoenix
bit hard to sim that specific sequence
just flatly using bte over ks is 1.5% or so
rotund zodiac
gaunt phoenix
but this error is more specific than always using bte over ks
proven ocean
Check leaderboard
what leaderboard
past falcon
mobile 
proven ocean
ret is bad unless they have some hidden tech
proven ocean
that key doesnt look impressive anyway
vivid vessel
And they are today year old
vivid vessel
vivid vessel
u dont have to do anything special for 20 dfc
Except it's a ret paladin kekw
No dk in comp
@proven ocean
You didn't time top 20
Noob
vivid vessel
glass mortar
just flatly using bte over ks is 1.5% or so
hmm so this covers the case of people making that mistake + additionally forcing BtEs that most people probably arent doing
vivid vessel
Not suspicious at all
glass mortar
so making this mistake is probably somewhere in the area of 1-1.5% then
not more then 1.5% anyway
wicked kestrel
anyone have a recommended wa pack for outlaw?
glass mortar
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
vivid vessel
Zac's
glass mortar
all of these could be considered recommended
vivid vessel
Very good I heard
glass mortar
dont believe this shill
he gets paid by big french taco everytime he convinces someone to dl zacs pack
red zinc
Very good I heard
my dps plummeted when playing this
glass mortar
at some point its just personal pref tho, guys edit, zacs will all give similar information
vivid vessel
I love this Zac's guy
red zinc
it doesnt have a massive GS aura in the middle of your screen