outlaw

[vivid vessel]

For example sub

[fathom bramble]

I fear that if blizzard brought scrolls back they would just increase all the raid buffs back to what they were

[vivid vessel]

Sub is probably the spec that gain the most from raid buffs all around

Compared to a ranged player for example

So you have massive tuning issues between raid and m+ imo

And if you disable raid buffs in m+ it kinda get worse

[red zinc]

I mean thats fine

[leaden folio]

we still use embelish dmg proc on raid and vers on m+ ?

[fathom bramble]

if they did this it wouldn't really fix the problem at all though it would just add 6 extra consumables to bring to your keys

I do think a full strength scroll would be good though

[red zinc]

I dont see why it wouldnt

[fathom bramble]

as a solution for keys

[red zinc]

Why would you play mage dh aug when you have the scrolls already

[fathom bramble]

if warr now gives 10% AP like it use to but there is a scroll for 5% like their use to be

[worldly shale]

Is kir now also better for raid?

[fathom bramble]

then missing warr is still missing a ~5% buff

[red zinc]

oh nah didnt mean it like that

thought you meant dh/mage 5%

[fathom bramble]

no I just meant that when they removed scrolls they also nerfed all the raid buffs that use to be on scrolls

which makes me thing that if scrolls ever came back they would unfortunately not be what you or I want

[vivid vessel]

still simming btw

actual 30 min spec just cause outlaw is a silly spec

i hate outlaw no cap

[wintry solar]

@runic bough this you?

[fathom bramble]

doesn't help that we have longer than normal sims anyway

and your doing probably a massive stat sim that most other specs wouldn't need to do of course

[south scaffold]

guys

what is the highest renown rank righ tnow for gallagio loyalta you can have? 11 with this reset?

[light kernel]

take ring reroll assa? xd

[vivid vessel]

I have to recraft all my pieces to Crit vers and I'm also simming enchants and gems on ring otherwise it fucks up the things

It's annoying

i really want to use these shoulders

using crafted hands is weird af

[fathom bramble]

seems hard to fit in when gloves have okay stats

[vivid vessel]

currently my best setup has crafted hands

..

[fathom bramble]

how is that better than just crafting a chest/shoulder?

or do you not own myth tier gloves

[vivid vessel]

i do

idk

[frigid shale]

quick question, is there a "best" m+ build for outlaw atm ? wasnt so sure what ive seen so far

[vivid vessel]

well chest you woul lose main stats idk

[fathom bramble]

shoulder has same mainstat as gloves at least

[vivid vessel]

these shoulders from vault are better than crafted anyway

these ones

I just need to make them fit

!

[worldly shale]

haste vers sims better than crit for me, at round 8.5k crit rn :/

[vivid vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pugaCbQYAujAyBVj6qYURo @fathom bramble

im so confused

[agile orchid]

dumb question, but do you have to be in melee to get the 50% dispatch from crackshot?

[fathom bramble]

687 crafted gear 🤔

the 30 minute sim is ruined

[vivid vessel]

ah shit

i made lens

on my

fucking

hands

FUCK MAN

Another 1 hour sim

[fathom bramble]

oh that too

[vivid vessel]

How is that possible lol

[fathom bramble]

make sure the crafted items aren't 687 this time too

idk

some raidbots fuckery

bro I wanted to do a quick key and then go to bed

but I just spent 30 minutes signing to keys instead

[stiff hawk]

Its insane isnt it

[fathom bramble]

like it's an alt

but why doesn't a 3300 main get me somewhere

[stiff hawk]

Prolly because nobody has Raider.io installed

[fathom bramble]

I put it in every note

but I don't think it matters

[nova basin]

people only pick meta at every level

[light kernel]

how much is diff % capo mythic and normal 684

approximetaly

[midnight ridge]

so everybody plays kir now?

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble we go agan

see you in a bit

this time for sure

[fathom bramble]

giving up on keys and going to bed

good luck on the sim

[vivid vessel]

wtf no wae

!

[leaden folio]

not taking pacemake ?

[vivid vessel]

no lol

i have every trinket alraedy

dont need pacemaker

[tropic geode]

stupid question perhaps, but considering what OH to run for M+ between HC Capo and the Nightfall weapon. Nightfall sims better for overall (1,3%) but its a 2,2% loss for ST. Is the AoE gain worth it in keys or would you prio the ST damage? Kinda theoretical question since im not pushing high, just aiming for 3k rating or around there

[split jolt]

theres a macro that swaps offhands between nightfall and capo

#showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Capo's Molten Knuckles

[tropic geode]

ah i didnt even consider that, so you can swap for bosses ofc 🙂

[split jolt]

yeah i just use it to swap for solely ST bosses

[tropic geode]

clear winner then 😛

[split jolt]

looks like KiR pulls ahead in higher keys with better tanks / uptime if you have the haste requirement

[midnight ridge]

and more consistent buff uptime

[split jolt]

looks like its explained here: https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1276306860126900315

[sullen surge]

btw capo´s still better in hero track for bosses than crafted offhand correct?

[nova blaze]

yo i got a question because im really torn on it without a 2nd opinion

i got the 3 coins to buy the raid and dungeon items.

i could get a hero eye of kezan or i could get the pacemaker or fragment of darknes on mythos.

is there a way to sim it before i buy them or is it just shoot and go ?

[strong cargo]

You can sim myt track dungeons items, and heroic raid items, there is no dinar option sim

[vivid vessel]

All crafted items sims as 687 rn that's why it's fucked

Bugged

[nova blaze]

sorry to ask im quite new to it where could i do that ?

[split jolt]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/droptimizer

you would need simc addon installed

then in game you type /simc

copy the string and paste it into that website

in droptimizer you can select dinars and compare

[wintry solar]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[wintry solar]

is rtb suppose to go off cd when they put the key in?

[quick quail]

Will the nightfall weapon be viable option or do we switch to whatever we had before? I am pretty sure it has been answered here but cannot catch up 42069 messages

[west dirge]

its in pins, it will be viable around 1.5% ahead as offhand

[strong cargo]

No, that's why it's said to do your first roll when you enter dungeon, so you get cd back during readycheck pull timer etc

[stoic dragon]

If I got Gally weapon and capo both myth, does it matter which one is in oh?

[gaunt phoenix]

Naw

[fallen knot]

if you're weaponswapping yes

[stoic dragon]

It was only oh stuff with dagger bcs of AS right?

[fallen knot]

capo on offhand cause gally you cant swap

[gaunt phoenix]

cant weapon swap gally

so prob dont use it in keys

[blissful idol]

where should i waste dinar on

trinket or offhand

[foggy ice]

Can you grappling hook out of mugzee cage during it spawning

[hollow temple]

simsimsim

[serene blade]

Hey mates, as outlaw which items do you recommend to buy with dinars ?

because i have no trinkets, one crafted weapon (sword)

[hollow temple]

simsimsim

[midnight ridge]

sims are kinda strange - simming st kir vs st ho, kir wants crit/vers ring while ho like haste/vers ring more

[hollow temple]

also pins

[fallen knot]

fml i should not have traded down all season

[serene blade]

You mean by gearcompare ?

[hollow temple]

top gear

[serene blade]

In top gear how can i chose items that i don't have

[hollow temple]

it also says in the pins some stuff about dinar items

[gaunt phoenix]

just buy a capo

[fallen knot]

you can search them

[serene blade]

Thanks guys

[hollow temple]

there's an option to enter any item you want

at the top of the top gear

[gaunt phoenix]

you can farm trinkets

[wintry solar]

boringboringboring

[red zinc]

Heroic capo feels so cooked though idk

[wintry solar]

should use it on wep

theyre cool

[gaunt phoenix]

why

i never got a capo

[hollow temple]

learning how to sim is pog

[gaunt phoenix]

i want one

[hollow temple]

eliminates 90% of questions.... by answering them

robot pog

[wintry solar]

lameeeeee

normalize giving answers and possibly throwing

form>funtion

can you mog trinket into dreadblades?

no sir you cannot

[red zinc]

Gotta check at home what the difference is between 681 oh and 672 capo on bosses

[hollow temple]

would capo on 671 still be weaker than the 658 aoe mace?

in aoe yes

not on bosses

[vivid vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ukBoPYdp8r9CuboW2AVt5v @fathom bramble i fixed it with real 681 crafts this time, finally made shoulders work !

This off hand is trucking my ilvl down wtf!

[red zinc]

Werent we doing like 4m dslice before

[vivid vessel]

Only 681

[vivid vessel]

Ye idk

This is no buffs and shit

[red zinc]

Crazy increase

[atomic dirge]

Hi everyone, we start mugzee progress today, so no weapon with dinar, i have the Magnet myth, pacemaker hc and geargrinder hc. do i take pacemaker myth with the first dinar?

[red zinc]

nah just wait

[vivid vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f9tYazK8MJG9j9t8PQ4hKR

683

[wise epoch]

Hey, I've not played outlaw since like Shadow lands but is all the doom and gloom over the spec wrong it seems pretty good in all content no?

[past pond]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[red zinc]

good but annoying to play

[ornate vault]

Hello here, we run even with ring circlet 558? Im 672 ilv and ring do 4% of my dps on mm+... its possible to change it? Rings mm seems simcs lower than circlet for me

[vivid vessel]

its jsut killing spree rn

[red zinc]

You do not

[vivid vessel]

after all the bfufs and bug fixes its quite good

in term of damage

[wise epoch]

This is good to hear coz I can't do another tier of forcing myself to enjoy havoc 😂

[red zinc]

so many people after my keys saying they’re going to make an outlaw alt

They do not know

[wise epoch]

Nah Ive always dabbled with it and tried to keep up

But I'm wanting to fill switch mains

I last properly played it as a main in S1 of SL

[atomic dirge]

is hoc good trinket for outlaw?

[ornate vault]

Lot of outlaw are in same case? Run with ring 558?

[red zinc]

Man what are you saying

The ring sucks in m+

You can replace it with champion rings

[ornate vault]

?? I swear i have done many simcs and in each case, ring circlet was ahead

[red zinc]

probably has something to do with haste values

aint explaining all that

!haste

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[red zinc]

read faq

[wise epoch]

I see some conflicting stuff on raider.io but what's the difference between KiR and HO in m+ is it big or?

[red zinc]

One does more st one does more aoe

Personal pref

[ornate vault]

Strange.... im fine with stat. I play ho ks. With 15% haste

[wise epoch]

Right coz I prefer HO I just feel like it's shit for energy and I'm at 22% haste since my stat weights are fucked 😄

But it's almost definitely a player issue 😄

[vivid vessel]

for kir m+

[daring oxide]

rogues

is there a way to track artifact appearances

like how many more world quests i need to do etc

[blissful idol]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[gaunt phoenix]

circlet is replaced by a good vers ring

[urban pagoda]

so i am a little unlucky with weapons i am a heroic raider! right now i have a normal gallywix main hand mace and a champion gear generic offhand (it gives some autohit shadow dmg) what should i buy with dinars? should i get heroic capo and use it as an off hand even if i have main hand normal weapon? or just use capo as main hand ?

[light kernel]

Is it a large dps diff between regular 684 and 684 capo?

[gaunt phoenix]

you should craft a 681 main hand and buy a capo offhand

you can also buy an offhand from the nightfall event, the nightfall curseblades cudgel, this is good on M+ packs because vanish resets the proc, but you would weapon swap to capo on bosses

[urban pagoda]

ok tyvm so i just buy capo with dinars thanx!

[vivid vessel]

About 1.5%

[past sphinx]

what haste does that sit you at

[gaunt phoenix]

its kir so its like 19%

[unkempt dew]

Maybe they can change killing spree into something else. Like dual wielding flintlock pistols and shoot everything like a mad man

I would love that

[vivid vessel]

19.56

[unkempt dew]

https://tenor.com/view/danny-devito-guns-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-gif-17984271

[wintry solar]

MM is down the hall, to the left

surv as well

[past sphinx]

zac does your dslice actually tell you to go that much mastery over crit?

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gaunt phoenix]

Wdym he has 2500 mastery

that's the minimum from tiee

tier

[past sphinx]

i checked yesty he was 15% crit 25% mast

o true hes got tier chest

[gaunt phoenix]

mastery is like 21% at 0 rating

[blissful idol]

zac can i have the macro for the weapon swap?

[gaunt phoenix]

its in pin

[past sphinx]

its posted everywhere

[blissful idol]

ty

missed it

[autumn geyser]

Guys i need help, im not a mythic raider where i spent my first dinar?

[vivid vessel]

Where does it tell me to go mastery

[past sphinx]

dw forgot u got tier chest

[gaunt phoenix]

[autumn geyser]

heroic capo?

[sullen surge]

yea

[autumn geyser]

for m+ its not better the everforged dagger?

[sullen surge]

and get the macro to swap weapons

nightfall is best for m+

[gaunt phoenix]

it is better than everforged dagger

[sullen surge]

aoe nightfall, st bosses capo, swap accordingly

[autumn geyser]

nice

i was thinking about wax whistle

[sullen surge]

isnt pacemaker just better?

[gaunt phoenix]

No they are about the same

[autumn geyser]

as far as i know, whistle sims a little bit better

[sullen surge]

i hate whistle anyway

makes me dodge shit that doesnt do anything

[gaunt phoenix]

but he means using both mythic pacemaker and whistle cause cant get mythic raid trinkets

[sullen surge]

i mean the first boss is very doable in pugs

[gaunt phoenix]

[sullen surge]

and u get geargrinder

[autumn geyser]

i think i can pug vexie, but its the trinket worth?

more than capo

heroic

[sullen surge]

sim it

im getting both, i have hero geargrinders so ill get it later

first weapon then trinket myth track

[autumn geyser]

srry for this question, im new at outlaw, how i sim outlaw? dng slice or 1 boss patchwerks?

[gaunt phoenix]

Both

dslice for keys or patchwerk for st bosses

might sim like patchwerk 3 min for m+ bosses sometimes

dont really matter for trinkets tho

[autumn geyser]

thanks!

[warm parrot]

Question about KS useage with trickster build in m+. Do you use it with high or low cp´s. Any difference in ST and AoE

[glass mortar]

you use it with regular finisher rules unless u would die casting it

then u use it with low cp

[warm parrot]

Tyty

Cause I feel like I wanna use it with 1-2 cps on ST for example, get back to the rotation, it feels underwhelming, but I might be totally off

[glass mortar]

yea no there is no optimal low cp usage, its always a dps loss

[gaunt phoenix]

its not worth normally

[glass mortar]

but less of a loss then holding the ability for too long

which is why u send it at low cp if it allows you to get it off when you wouldnt be able to

[warm parrot]

right right. ok good, nice to clear that up. Appreciate the answers

[autumn geyser]

i was using KS with full cp

[glass mortar]

normal finisher rules

[tidal sequoia]

Even if you think you will die - KS anyway. Pirate should be free to chose how they wanna go

Think of healers as lawmakers and peacekeepers - you are beyond that as outlaw

[red zinc]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/254170190621835264/1113105101675036732/dratnos.gif

[vivid vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/pipotam-baby-hippo-hippo-wash-shower-gif-3406421565683572068

[wintry solar]

iron thumb for M+? yay or nay

or gooner >.>

oops

[unkempt dew]

I was always using KS with full cp

[split ingot]

guys how do u use magnet trinket from stix? at max stacks?

[stoic dragon]

On CD unless dmg amp or other on use is about to be ready

Afaik

[civic void]

Doesn't matter, don't overcap and make use of that to hold it if there is a damage amp/add phase/whatever

[split ingot]

i see

thanks

[lusty sparrow]

How exactly does mr locknstalk work

Its simming as my highest dinar thing

(that I have access to)

[gaunt phoenix]

its a passive trinket, but you can toggle it to aoe mode or st mode

it shouldnt really be worth it unless you desparately need the haste on it

in which you should probably get the haste elsewhere

[lusty sparrow]

I can get the haste ez

numerically its 1.6% and wax whistle is 1.3%

St

I would get magnet maybe but I wasnt in on stix and my guild had a bad enough time that they dont want to reclear it

[light kernel]

Is bike best trinket for m+?

[gaunt phoenix]

i would prefer whistle cause it will win in aoe

the only st boss is sprocket

[gaunt phoenix]

geargrinder is generally bis yea

[lusty sparrow]

Which do you think would be harder to obtain between a raid trinket and a m+ trinket generally speaking

I think it would be m+?

[red zinc]

yes

[gaunt phoenix]

errr

[lusty sparrow]

They didnt add a way to get myth trinkets outside of vault did they

[red zinc]

at myth track

i assume he means

[lusty sparrow]

yuh

[gaunt phoenix]

i was thinking dinar requirement

[lusty sparrow]

nah I have up to oab and all 12s

including oab

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah a mythic trinket from vault should be rarer

[lusty sparrow]

its between a whistle and signet

also Im held against my will as assassin for mug

[gaunt phoenix]

oof idk

might want to go signet for prog

[lusty sparrow]

yeah the choices are not as impactful for ass as it is for outlaw

and Ill only be doing ass for prog

its annoying

[hidden bay]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shy meteor]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[muted zenith]

Could someone help me understand why Coup de Grace during Subterfuge?
I assume it's because we would want to prioritize using between the eyes during subterfuge, but if I already have the buff active and no Ruthless Precision buff - does it still worth holding onto a Coup de Grace until we finish the Vanish/Subterfuge/Stealth window?

[polar kelp]

You never coup during a subterfuge window. If you have ks and coup up, they both take prio from going into a window...but if already in window you wait until after it's done

[muted zenith]

I understand that, what I want to understand is why is that the case? just the tuning of it?

[polar kelp]

Cause during crack shot windows, bte also dispatches and it's crazy high damage

So you just wanna fire as many bte, just mahematically better

[vivid vine]

have people tested out this wep in m+

[muted zenith]

That's what I thought - got it
BtE is just a straight up better finisher to use in a subterfuge window numbers wise

[polar kelp]

Ye

[polar kelp]

Yep, it's your BiS offhand for keys....but only on trash, so you can make a weapon swap macro for bosses mid key 🙂

[vivid vine]

ooh nice thank you

[acoustic hedge]

i thought u couldnt swap gear in a key ?

[vernal void]

weapon swaps work

[acoustic hedge]

oh thats neat ty

[wise epoch]

What's the highest ilevel we can get for this? Also does it take over capos?

[gaunt phoenix]

658 (champion)

Yes it is better than any other offhand on trash

by 1.5% or so

[pliant wind]

is there a macro to swap offhand?

i want my capo instead cudgel

in bossfights

[gaunt phoenix]

like this

/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Capo's Molten Knuckles```

[pliant wind]

ah thank you!

[wise epoch]

That's wild since we can get what like 20+ more ilevels than it 😄

That's the wep you buy from the weekly I'm right yea?.

[gaunt phoenix]

yer

[wicked kestrel]

What is the best way to play outlaw when I main assassination? Just talking about stat prio mostly.

I still have a few crafts left that i can make for outlaw

[pliant wind]

like 18-20k vers - 12k crit - 9k haste on HO build / 8-9k crit - 12-13k haste on a KiR build aproximately

mastery ignored just tier set bonuses

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes a geared outlaw is mostly vers

you have a haste requirement, sort of, depends on build

you should probably play the HO build which will settle between 14-18% haste or so

then dump the rest into vers/some crit

Most outlaws have over double vers than crit but it's not the biggest deal

[pliant wind]

i play with a little more crit, i like it heh

i some windows are nice

"less" rng for a crit

but vers is the best

[daring oxide]

priory 12 overall 681ilvl

[pliant wind]

that was a fast run :o

[leaden folio]

lmao

20sec run

[wicked kestrel]

Vers is what im worried about. Guess I can craft items with crit/vers so it helps with assassination too

[bright crane]

5 big booms

[pliant wind]

yeah you can

[wicked kestrel]

teach me the way, master.

[pliant wind]

i have various crafted crit vers

[vivid vessel]

stop lying

lying isnt allowed

in here

[daring oxide]

sorry yes

[wicked kestrel]

I will plan to do that then. because in sin my mastery is in a very good spot. lol

[daring oxide]

no lie now, here is the real overall

not even 8mil uninstall delete outlaw

[pliant wind]

thank you vai, give that to blizz and let us get nerfed

[daring oxide]

nah

[pliant wind]

we deserve a nerf already

[daring oxide]

im sure others do more

[pliant wind]

after fix

[daring oxide]

assassination rogue does like 8-9mil

easily

[vivid vessel]

IM GOING TO BE DOING SO MUCH DAMAGE

OMG OMG

OMG OMGOGMGOG

[daring oxide]

uh dk probably even more

[wary wind]

hey, im trying to sim crafted piece vs current piece but when i do droptimizer sim it shows my current gear as 6/6 upgrade instead of 8/8. anyone know how to fix that? i also tried adding the item to top gear and it wont let me do 681 ilvl

[hidden bay]

the fuck

[vivid vessel]

OMGOMOGMGOMGOMG

IM HOME IN 2 HOURS

[hidden bay]

relax outlaw dont scale

[vivid vessel]

30MIN

[daring oxide]

lmao i bet you are hyped to get home hahahaha

[vivid vessel]

I NEED

TO DO DAMAGE

[halcyon elm]

[daring oxide]

LOL

[pliant wind]

hahahaah

[halcyon elm]

https://tenor.com/view/computer-games-gif-26049516

[vivid vessel]

BRO I HAVE INFINITE GEAR HOME

[halcyon elm]

zac when he gets home

[vivid vessel]

ITS JUST

GILDED

[daring oxide]

zac

[vivid vessel]

IM LITTERALLY FULL GEAR

[daring oxide]

dont forget

[vivid vessel]

694

[daring oxide]

you can get like 300 glided instantly

[vivid vessel]

684

VURAI

[daring oxide]

when you convert

[vivid vessel]

no

i only got to 150

[daring oxide]

runed to glided

[vivid vessel]

[daring oxide]

are you sure?

[vivid vessel]

ye

[daring oxide]

how many runed did you have?

[vivid vessel]

since we raid on wednesday, every week i was uing the crests for gilded before raid

[wary wind]

I showed you my message please respond

[vivid vessel]

otherwise i would go into raid with 0ilvl

[daring oxide]

im pretty sure you can

[vivid vessel]

i stoped doing it when we knew about the thing

[daring oxide]

with your runed banked up

i can imagine you have like 900?

oh actually

sorry nvm

ignore me

i see what you mean now

[vivid vessel]

I mean I didn't have enough

[daring oxide]

you've been spending every week already before your wed raids

[vivid vessel]

I got to 150 gilded this morning

[daring oxide]

ah ok

[vivid vessel]

Yep

[daring oxide]

mb

[vivid vessel]

But 150 is a good start up already

[daring oxide]

turbo boost is honestly a nice little dopamine reset though

[vivid vessel]

That's every big piece + weapon

[daring oxide]

mid season

[vivid vessel]

Very easely

Ye but idk

[daring oxide]

it feels good logging on getting big ilvl boost and new gear

[vivid vessel]

You kinda work for log and keys

All for nothing

It's not good imo

[daring oxide]

ye but now

get new higher highs

[vivid vessel]

A reset per saison is enough

This is a mid season reset

It's silly

[halcyon elm]

plus the 2.5% increase helm enchant

i think is next week

[vivid vessel]

i already lost 1 r1

and im mad

[daring oxide]

that was me lmao

[vivid vessel]

@daring oxide did you raid yet

[daring oxide]

on rik?

[vivid vessel]

no this week i meant

[daring oxide]

oh

[vivid vessel]

i lost r1 spoket

[daring oxide]

sunday first raid

just doing 1 per week

[daring oxide]

oh fuck

[daring oxide]

you had insane pull too as FB

[vivid vessel]

ye but

im going in this week

with 10 ilvl more

[daring oxide]

ye

annihilate those bosses

[vivid vessel]

I think I'm going to get r1 on every boss this week

Cause I'm pretty sure I will be the most geared outlaw

I think even with dinars you guys don't have my gear

Or

[daring oxide]

im a little behind you i think

[vivid vessel]

I'm litteraly full

[daring oxide]

i have to decide

between getting gallywix for offhand

or eye of kezan

for mug/gally logs

[proven ocean]

wheres ur 684 gear

?

[gaunt phoenix]

tier is over stop raiding

ded gaem

[proven ocean]

ded gaem

[daring oxide]

game just started new gear log in new logs

[vivid vessel]

ye im 684 when i upgrade my things

The only item I could want over my gear rn is trash master cloak over my crafted cloak

For like 0.2% upgrade probably

[final sluice]

molten knuckels even in m+ ?

[celest nova]

please send your simc to understand what to strive for?

[vivid vessel]

I strive for excellence

[vivid vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/arU7HZPVTDh5YwV43N72ut this will be my m+ gear

[jade abyss]

Why HoC ?

[celest nova]

tnk

[vivid vessel]

why not

[jade abyss]

It's bad on ST, while the other good AoE options are stronger ST

it doesn't sim higher dslice

idk

I trust you though that''s why I'm asking

[vivid vessel]

i dont sim

vibes only

[celest nova]

687 brace? How?

[gaunt phoenix]

its a raidbots bug

681 sometimes read as 687

[vivid vessel]

i fixed the other slots but not this one

raidbot should be fixed now

but all your crafted items where simming as 687

[daring oxide]

zac what time are you back?

[vivid vessel]

instead of 681

[vivid vessel]

6:30 st

[daring oxide]

ok

im gonna get dinner earlier

then im free then

[hidden bay]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[celest nova]

tell me, what awaits you on the street, hc kapo in opffhand or kraft dagher?

[dreamy pecan]

Hey, I’ve been away for a while, do you still use Sinister Strike over Ambush for Keep it Rolling builds?

[gaunt phoenix]

Ya

[dreamy pecan]

Thanks. 🙏🏾

[vivid vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5DSQp6aAj7oYAvp2A9f8RM

mostly its magnet showing worse than it actually is

i find the holding value quite cool

And imo gear grinder probably oversimm slightly in AOE since it could not hit the max amount of targets

So if hoc sims the same

I would rather play hoc right

Idk

Hoc is more AOE than all these trinkets

[vapid blaze]

does hoc outsim priory for u?

[vivid vessel]

yes

also i dont have priory

but it does

[lucid sandal]

Is priory any good

[vapid blaze]

i have a mythic version (from first vault xD)
but kinda crazy that hoc outsims it

[vivid vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4ZYx3jB1GTxeE79Gg1mcgg so ye if you want to play magnet and ignore eye cuase its eye

hoc and geargrinder is the same shti

[vapid blaze]

wonder if the sim takes the extra stats for teammates into account

[vivid vessel]

just that geargrinder could potentially fail

[gaunt phoenix]

extra stats from priory are so minimal it's not moving dps

[vapid blaze]

was just wondering if it takes it into account at all (the healer sims do f.e.)

[pliant wind]

i wonder if i should just buy myth pacemaker

in dungeon slice

big pulls

i have a myth geargrinder in slot 1

i cant get any myth raid besides 2 first bosses

[latent oak]

no tinkers are worth using in engi crafts right?

[daring oxide]

@vivid vessel hows this looking? my gear now (just trinket left to finish leveling, then i need to decide what to do with dinar):

[arctic hollow]

On single target, raidbots sims my 675 crafted dagger 2% higher than 8/8 heroic Capo, but sticky says I should get Capo, which should I trust ?

[gaunt phoenix]

FYI if you use Raidbots top gear or droptimizer to generate/upgrade gear to the new item levels, there have been issues with the created item level being higher/lower than intended so might want to hold off on these kind of sims until further notice

Update <t:1747399800:R> I believe things should be working correctly now

[arctic hollow]

Thank you !

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah the item level on capo is fucked for me

says 671 but really is something else internally

[gentle juniper]

i guess this would explain why my top gear sims every item i added as lower

[arctic hollow]

To think that I spend so many hours siming recrafts and potential crafted items

[vivid vessel]

its fixed now lol

[pliant wind]

fk i dont know what to do, i guess ill just upgrade my equipment at this moment and then think about it

[gentle juniper]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t8rFGCw9MhX9M9TrEBTkEN
if its fixed than what did i feck up?

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix also it was jsut upgrading crafted items i think

that was bugged

[vivid vessel]

missing oab ring

decent gear tho 🆗

[split jolt]

anyone know why Conductors train whistle sims so well, is the damage actually that good

[pliant wind]

sims less a 684 pacemaker than 665

KEKW

[quick quail]

had mythic magnet in vault, what's the preffered usage? Treat it basically like bomb dispenser outside of Spare keys cd?

[lament gyro]

hi guys, can some please explain why upgrading my trinket is a downgrade?

2min patchwerk st

[gaunt phoenix]

pin

[lament gyro]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gWDKf3EQz4gCyTWARp4Zy3

[stuck lion]

raidbots being funky for anyone else?

[arctic hollow]

After buying the Capo at the vendor it sims 4% higher than when I picked it in TopGer search

[lament gyro]

running aoe talenets

[stuck lion]

just randomly reduces me to 586 ilvl

[gaunt phoenix]

yep

[runic bough]

Lol no

[arctic hollow]

So it's still very bugged

[stuck lion]

684 Magnet suddenly simming as a dps loss for me

[lament gyro]

ah ok get it now

[gaunt phoenix]

its an issue with generating gear at the new item levels

gets all fucky wucky

[latent oak]

solo all engi tinkers are bad yes?

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont even know what they are

[latent oak]

ok good

[atomic dirge]

What are the optimal conditions for simulating aoe and st?

[pliant wind]

is this ring viable?

have it on vault

even if it has mastery

[latent oak]

ya its pretty good

idk if crafted beats it

[pliant wind]

i think ill craft a mace offhand, get that myth ring and buy pacemaker myth overall is the best combination for me as i saw in my sims

[hasty warren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dVSLBR89oCd6vMRgQT32do
remnant of darkness better than pacemaket or it's bait ?

[pliant wind]

why it shows 589 ilvl?

[hasty warren]

sus

idk

[pliant wind]

maybe its detecting a huge dps increase with your "low" ilvl?

buggy thing

[hasty warren]

expert mode bug maybe

[astral wind]

Does Zee's hotline see any use in m+ or is it mainly a ST trink?

[gaunt phoenix]

mainly raid

[gaunt phoenix]

remnant is similar tho it is ramping

like the first pull it might not proc at all

[cinder haven]

Remnant is really weird

[gaunt phoenix]

Idk it doesnt matter overall but i dont like it

you are also KIR which perhaps devalues the crit from pacemaker

cause it gets more RP uptime

[vivid vessel]

This sim looks bugged tho no?

[cinder haven]

Yes

[vivid vessel]

How is hoc 1% behind

When for me it's neutral to other trinkets

[cinder haven]

Sims are bugged

At least when you add items with top gear etc

[jade abyss]

@vivid vessel https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/arU7HZPVTDh5YwV43N72ut

Maybe you saw this but I had this open and your wrists are 687 on it

[cinder haven]

Here stuff shows as gains at least tho

[vivid vessel]

Ye I know

I fixed it for other items but not wrists

Raidbot was bugged for crafted items when I did that sim

[red zinc]

he was cheating

MODS

[vivid vessel]

Real

[red zinc]

have you done crest farm yet zac

[vivid vessel]

I was at work

Home in like 1 h

[fading hatch]

is the 658 offhand worth over 681 crafted dagger? apologies for simmable question, simming my 650 outlaw feels pointless atm since gear is very weird

[red zinc]

on aoe its still a 1-1.5% gain

worth swapping on bosses though definitely

[fading hatch]

++ ty

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel crest farm

wanna join

or no

quick

forming now

grp

still alone but forming

[vivid vessel]

I'm 1 h away

[nova basin]

Am I being dumb? When is the upgrade track increase being implemented for heroic and myth gear?

[vivid vessel]

Yesterday

[nova basin]

I don’t see it

Only on my pvp gear

[cinder relic]

Post a screenshot of your hero/myth track gear

[keen belfry]

im scared ive almost done all my mage gear upgrades now i have to do my rogue guys

[vivid vessel]

Scared of what

[nova basin]

Is it only on new gear that drops?

[vivid vessel]

No lol

[keen belfry]

the power my rogue will gain

[vivid vessel]

Just put your gear in the upgrade thingy dude

[keen belfry]

and the amount of dungeons i have to do

[vivid vessel]

Put it In

You have a weak aura probably

That write this info tooltip

[proven ocean]

me when i try to troll outlaw chat

[vivid vessel]

Ross

[nova basin]

oh sheet. yes its the stupid weakaura

[vivid vessel]

I'm gooning so hard ross

[nova basin]

sorry guys. ty

[vivid vessel]

Np cuh

[hasty warren]

idk

[wintry solar]

Just had a wox key in my recommended on youtube

You know what pov?

Assa

[hasty warren]

I'm using an old route maybe I need to change it

[daring oxide]

hurry up

come home already

[vivid vessel]

BRO

SOON

[hasty warren]

I think i'll need my dinar and wait to see what to take

[vivid vessel]

WAIT FOR MME

30 MIN

20

[daring oxide]

im waiting

cooking dinner to pass the time

[vivid vessel]

wait faster

[daring oxide]

you mean wait slower

what if i wait too fast and im done and ur not home yet

[vivid vessel]

I'm home in 10

[daring oxide]

ok fuck i gotta wait faster

[vivid vessel]

Running rn

[daring oxide]

[proven ocean]

@daring oxide @vivid vessel triple outlaw keys?

lets go?

[daring oxide]

yes

@proven ocean

you better play outlaw

[proven ocean]

im rly bad on outlaw tho

[daring oxide]

dont wanna see any assa

[proven ocean]

didnt play it in a looong time

[daring oxide]

wtf

[flint pivot]

Just skip the croissant, be home now

[daring oxide]

no way

zeross u just cant forget outlaw

[proven ocean]

i was in army

for 1 year

[daring oxide]

im sure for u

one key and ur back

[proven ocean]

nah need more

[daring oxide]

fine just play assa

[proven ocean]

maybe 2 weeks of playing

or 1

[daring oxide]

we need guardian druid and shammy healer for lust ye

[proven ocean]

nah i wanna play triple outlaw

[daring oxide]

we might not be able to do 7-8mil overalls without all the buffs 😦

[flint pivot]

5 outlaw, alternate evasion. Big brain time

[daring oxide]

well maybe zac

but i needed buffs like druid warrior shammy etc#

[steady crane]

Hi, i'm learning outlaw and playing HO build.
To learn rotation i'm doing some training on dummies and i'm doing aounr 4M2 DPS. My sim is at 5M dps, is that "normal thing" or i'm doing something seriously wrong?

[daring oxide]

on dummies

you'll be missing your buffs

did you sim without buffs?

[steady crane]

no buffs

[vivid vessel]

I'm 10 Ilvl behind cuh

This ain't happening today

[daring oxide]

its fine we'll blast through keys fast and you'll get crests/valstones super fast hopefully

[vivid vessel]

!!!!!

IM SO HYPED

IN THE ELEVATOR RN

[foggy ice]

[gaunt phoenix]

think the proc is bit undertuned

they could have made it a bit more desirable

[steady crane]

how many less dps should i have on average vs the sim. 1M seem a lot

[daring oxide]

i dont know, you'd have to sim without buffs

but i know buffs are a huge deal

so its likely about 1m?

like for example

if i do prior12 with no buff comp

i'll do like 6.6mil overall

if i have a good buff comp (druid, warrior, shaman, monk) then i'll do 7.6mil

so its about 1mil dps increase yes

[steady crane]

it's already without the buff

[gaunt phoenix]

buff values are like druid (2.5%) shaman (3.5%) warrior (5%) monk (5%)

[daring oxide]

ah ok its really hard to know without

[steady crane]

My sim is at 5M, and i'm doing like 4M2

[vivid vessel]

@daring oxide

where is dinar quest

[daring oxide]

next to

[vivid vessel]

I GOT IT

[daring oxide]

the vault

[vivid vessel]

INVITE

[daring oxide]

entrance

[vivid vessel]

WE GO

[gaunt phoenix]

this would exactly make 6.6 -> 7.6 lol

[daring oxide]

yeah

thats what i thought haha @gaunt phoenix

i did do the maths before i said

but i did it with pen and paper 😛

[gaunt phoenix]

ur sim is an average of like 60,000 pulls, it is possible for 1 pull to be lower or higher

so like, cant draw a broad conclusion but perhaps being 15% below is indicative of some mistakes

[quick quail]

Sorry for asking again but it haven't been answered since there was another discussion and it got kinda lost.

Had the mythic magnet in vault, what's the preffered usage? Treat it basically like bomb dispenser from Zskarn outside of Spare keys cd or wait for stacks?

[gaunt phoenix]

in a vacuum it doesnt matter

like it is the same damage per stack

1 time at 30 stacks is the same as 6 times at 5 stacks

but the stacks let you hold it for vulnerability

like floodgate/motherlode/rookery bosses

would hold it

[tiny bloom]

does outlaw just suck this season? why is it so hard for me to get accepted into keys?

[split jolt]

i get in reasonably often to physical comps

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw is actually pretty good rn

esp. in pug keys

but it is unpopular

[split jolt]

rogue in general is least popular class

[quick quail]

got it for mythic raid at 6/8 rn, have another trinkets for M+, so basically it doesnt matter and bomb dispenser playstyle is the way

[gaunt phoenix]

perhaps killing spree influences invite rate

[ancient cobalt]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gaunt phoenix]

the people know that killing spree can kill you or the group

[split jolt]

bold to assume pugs know your talents

[gaunt phoenix]

xd

[pliant wind]

alchemy trinket is not that bad at 681, isnt it?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya pretty much

[quick quail]

thank you

[split jolt]

does anyone actually use honey buzzer

[bright crane]

Brooo when is the mid-season ol write up coming

[formal crest]

If rogue had cr, hero or group buff it would be much more popular in pug, but without those its hard even if dmg is good. Because some classes have both group buff and hero or group buff and cr.

[tiny bloom]

Didn’t think of it like that. It sucks cuz I feel like it takes me 30 min to get accepted into a pug group

[gaunt phoenix]

"outlaw is good when it dodges heroic week nerf, bugfixes are cool, limited by target cap is not, pls change killing spree" is the gist of it

[quick quail]

Remove spellid 57840 (Killing spree teleport spell) from Effect 0 (SPELL_AURA_PERIODIC_DUMMY) (of spell 51690)

When

[tiny bloom]

I have a myth track buzzer that sims the highest but I hate it

[formal crest]

I know, my less geared and less score enha gets invites easily while outlaw struggle a lot with invites

[quick quail]

imagine having to play killing spree and dying to buzzer movement on top of it

[gaunt phoenix]

find a key already with an outlaw and apply with "DOUBLE OUTLAW GOGOGO" and you are more likely to be accepted

[vivid vine]

do you use blade flurry in aoe for CP gen?

[daring oxide]

triple outlaw keys come watch the boys:

https://www.twitch.tv/zac__________________

I'm live on TV playing with some of the best rogues 🙂

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

if you use that talent then it is highest priority builder in aoe

[atomic dirge]

I changed spec a few days ago, any advice on weapons? we are in progress at mugzee myth and I have a craft available

[vivid vine]

thank you solo ❤️

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean heroic capo is probably like 1.5% better

than 684 offhand

[atomic dirge]

yeah but for dinar i wait the kill of mug

[gaunt phoenix]

ur weapons are fine then

[atomic dirge]

I can use craft on the back

[gaunt phoenix]

progging mugzee as outlaw?

[atomic dirge]

no I did the rogue for fun and for m+, since we have no rogue they asked me to go with this pg

[tiny bloom]

Is trickster really a lot better than fate bound? I hate using killing spree

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah it is

[fiery timber]

whats happening @proven ocean

[gaunt phoenix]

in aoe

[bright crane]

5 big BOOMS

[atomic dirge]

and trink also good? i I also have the magnet myth

[steady crane]

I see, i shouldn't compare me too much vs sim so

[gaunt phoenix]

definitely use magnet

[hollow temple]

@proven ocean is washed up?

[atomic dirge]

instead of the geargrinder?

[midnight granite]

Zeros???? What are you doing bro

[gaunt phoenix]

nah over pacemaker

[red zinc]

They got the wrong outlaw in there no cap

[gaunt phoenix]

im sure zeross loves being pinged about a snippet of a pull dps

[frank finch]

taste of his own medicine perhaps?

[glass mortar]

U know

Neither solo nor black is wrong

[atomic dirge]

both raid and m+?

[glass mortar]

But also it's a bit of a meme showing what is probably like 2 or 3 pull snapshot dps pics for outlaw

Ur damage variance pack to pack is pretty high

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[atomic dirge]

ty mate

[fossil lintel]

Wait, did zeross do a triple outlaw run?

[proven ocean]

didnt play outlaw in 1 year

[glass mortar]

That's better ty zac

[vivid vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-the-boys-the-boys-homelander-homelander-eyes-homelander-laser-eyes-gif-2010979958537085563

[proven ocean]

i think i'd do fine if KS wasnt there

idk how to play it

[gaunt phoenix]

real

[glass mortar]

I mean I think anyone in here knows outlaw is not a spec u can drop for like half an expansion and pick up and play at 99% capacity

[vivid vessel]

i did the thing tho

where i just

roll

[gaunt phoenix]

you ever just roll

[glass mortar]

I feel rusty after a month vacation from law

[vivid vessel]

nvm vurai did the same shit

he is also a mega hyper roller

[gaunt phoenix]

92% TB

[glass mortar]

Triple law keys r so back tho

Are all 3 of u kir?

[vivid vessel]

ye

[glass mortar]

Shoulda had someone play ho to compare

For science

[vivid vessel]

compare what

[halcyon elm]

compare pp sizes

[vivid vessel]

💀

[glass mortar]

Overall of very high end players playing both builds

Wdym

Compare dps

[vivid vessel]

you see this dps

ho would be doing less

imagine

[glass mortar]

Ho would do more

If his dps is because he's making mistakes

Ho is way less punished

?

[proven ocean]

im not gonna touch HO

even if its more dps

[proven ocean]

the gap i did with gingi was bigger

62 bte gap from u

[vivid vessel]

my cokc is bigger

[proven ocean]

76 from me to gingi

?

couldnt gap harder

washed up zac

[vivid vessel]

[halcyon elm]

just link him ur io page zeross

[next wedge]

guys how do u wep swap the nightfall wep in a key?

[halcyon elm]

[next wedge]

can you?

[blissful idol]

Ye check pins

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

where rio?

[vivid vessel]

you play assa ?

why even ping me

[proven ocean]

nope

im outlaw right now as a matter of fact

i just pistol shotted 4 bosses

in their asshole

how do u like that zac

[halcyon elm]

rank 1

if ur not first ur last

[proven ocean]

based

[late swallow]

Is ross #1 outlaw now too?

[proven ocean]

ye

[late swallow]

Bis rogue?

[red zinc]

he doin less damage than ryu

[late swallow]

Zac washed or what?

[proven ocean]

#1 on outlaw atm

zac brain only dps

he doesnt know

zac

only 3 dynamite hits

[red zinc]

you used the big rogue utility?

[proven ocean]

he only understands bte

nothing else

dynamite 0 iq

[late swallow]

Jarvis show menial laborer damage

[red zinc]

zeross 680?

[muted breach]

why are people on top 10 raiderio for m+ running this weapon suddenly, are there some cookery going on ? 🍴

[gaunt phoenix]

ya see pinned message

on specifically M+ packs it is bis for outlaw

but you weapon swap for bosses

[muted breach]

also is this crafitng reagent the same power as the one picture on right ?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[rancid venture]

Geargrinder or seaforium? i have remnant of darkness and priory atm

[gaunt phoenix]

Geargrinder should be a bit better

or you can use them both

[hollow portal]

I didn't remember that you can create 2 crafted rings, I could take off the heroic then

[fossil lintel]

As long as it's not unique equipped

[muted breach]

im quite new to rogue and just checking out the rotation page atm, so if i get this right we never spam between the eyes with hidden opo + trickster? we only use it for the buff?

[random stirrup]

"during subterfuge finish at 5 or more as your only finisher"

[grave rose]

I am doing something god awfully wrong in st, not sure what it is

[gaunt phoenix]

you use bte as your finisher during subterfuge windows

[grave rose]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DXwYTnJP1HFg87AW?fight=15&type=damage-done&source=357

if anyone cares to take a peek

[gaunt phoenix]

but this image is kind of wrong, trickster doesnt mind slamming BtE outside of stealth

the #outlaw-faq should be more up to date

[grave rose]

https://wago.io/Pd53s_NPU

anyone know if this thing is remotely accurate?

[keen belfry]

i swear EU rogues roll better, bagguete or wahtever its called

[gaunt phoenix]

you have 6 vanish casts while AR isnt active

the charge system on vanish means we hold it for adrenaline rush always

you have a lot of accidental globals

like

pressing pistol shots twice in a row

dispatches twice in a row

every global counts towards cooldown reduction etc. so this hurts over time

[grave rose]

thats a lag thing I cant figure out

it fires twice

Ill hit it once, but it will go off twice

it only happens when I play outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

could try lowering your spell queue

[grave rose]

whats the typical window folks use these days?

i know the default is 400

[gaunt phoenix]

it's a bit weird cause 400 is not supposed to cause issues but maybe it helps for some reason to lower it to like 250

[royal ermine]

feel like its gotten worse since this week but it's been an issue for a long time

I have 13ms to the servers and that shit still happens even messing with spell queue

[wintry solar]

It's been bad since I upgraded my pc parts

Maybe I should do the same

[grave rose]

I cant tell you how manytimes the game just dispatches on its own

pistol shots, forget about it

[gaunt phoenix]

you have 62 ambush casts and 70 sinister strike casts when ambush should be like >2.5x that of sinister strike

could mostly be from missing stealth globals from vanishing without AR, and also therefore losing vanish casts over time cause of how each global affects cdr

[proven ocean]

LOLOLOL sin > outlaw even in +12 keys

have to bleed mobs and spatter and shit

still losing

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-cat-ghoul-gif-15685393113271845735

[daring oxide]

i threw it by dying

im so sad withmyself

[proven ocean]

first boss dmg

[wintry solar]

Vai supremacy

[proven ocean]

outlaw tank dps

[daring oxide]

i need to redeem myself

[gaunt phoenix]

think you tend to hit pistol shots in stealth sometimes as well when it should be ambush

[daring oxide]

yeah sin boss damage is quite crazy wtf

didnt think it was this good

[proven ocean]

ye top boss dmg on all bosses

i literally doubled zac's boss dmg

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

like

you'd need 2 zac's

to do my boss dmg

imagine

[vivid vessel]

broi

i lost adr

[proven ocean]

isn't that embarressing @vivid vessel

[vivid vessel]

twice

[red zinc]

what the dog doing

[vivid vessel]

i was running after boss

cause tank

moved

and i

[daring oxide]

i died like a dog on trash in 2nd room

[vivid vessel]

grapple grapple

[daring oxide]

ruined my overall

[proven ocean]

boss is literally in the middle of the room

[vivid vessel]

and i still wasnt on boss