outlaw

[remote pike]

since you are a prio damage class

I'd say control when you use a prio damage trinket till it makes sense

But for optimal dps, at least last time i checked its 30 stacks or dmg amplification phases = use whenever you can

[north thunder]

ok thanks

[remote pike]

Do you happen to have the logs

maybe there's some new tech to learn

also guys, anyone got some nice plater profiles that they'd like to share

[woeful otter]

why don‘t choose craft chest

[stiff glade]

You can use magnet whenever you want. It does the same total damage no matter when you use it, as long as you don't sit on 30 stacks. During damage amps is optimal of course, but outside of that it doesn't matter. Just make sure you use it at the end of an encounter so you're not wasting any charge.

[covert kestrel]

Quazii, jundies are popular. Zac has his own

[hasty warren]

yo guys

[stiff hawk]

Yo

[vivid vessel]

Yo

[cedar kernel]

YO

[hollow temple]

[cedar kernel]

[hollow temple]

@vivid vessel do you know the hidden Tauren technology?

[vivid vessel]

No

Tell me

[hollow temple]

Leeway

[vivid vessel]

What

[hollow temple]

It’s basically secret acro

[vivid vessel]

What

Is that real trickz

Do bigger people have longer range

[hollow temple]

Ye

[vivid vessel]

Hm

[hollow temple]

And there’s more to it

[vivid vessel]

Need proof of that

[hollow temple]

I’ll dm

[stiff glade]

How much longer range are we talking Trickz?

[vivid vessel]

50 yards

[stiff glade]

Yes please, I'll take two of those

[scenic rivet]

Man can blizz just make it possible to use defensives during killing spree. I swear other classes can still pop stuff when animation locked

[stiff hawk]

Can they just cahnge Killing Spree

[scenic rivet]

Would be cool if you could use defensives during for like oh shit, or once you press it you can press it again to select where you land

Rather than returning to where you started

[unique echo]

I mean its so simple just make Killing Spree so there is an Image of me spawning an jumping around instead if me

*of

[compact mountain]

literally blade dance

the technology is there

[unique echo]

Just like secret tech

Just a shadowclone jumping around

[hollow temple]

can't do shit during a lot of channels

[scenic rivet]

It’s not a channel tho

And you can cancel channels

I’m fine with it being a press at your risk button. Just think the changes I put above would make it slightly more friendly

Especially the pressing again to select where you land

Think it would fix a lot of the issues without changing the core ability

[stiff hawk]

Just disable thhe teleportation

Thats the fix

[raven socket]

Is there even another skill in the game that is as tedious as KS ? Legitimate question

[stiff hawk]

No

I mean Eye Beam, some Monk Abilities or Deep breath or annoying too

But you can choose when to use and where you stand

KS hast to be on CD

and you randomly teleport

[scenic rivet]

I get more deaths to where I return rather than the teleporting around

[sick ingot]

its not about where ull land... its about all the steps u do while KS is up and get into shit which kills you... at least for me

[remote pike]

which quazii one

[stiff hawk]

Well its because the dmg you get while you teleport is a dot

after you finished

[scenic rivet]

Yes I’m very aware

[raven socket]

OMG a FFX enjoyer

[vivid vessel]

You can cancel eye beam, monk stuffs are one GCD long

[hollow temple]

just search 'jundies' on wago.io its the best plater

[scenic rivet]

I’m talking about one shots cause it’s dropped me in aoe or circle and I no longer have KS up

[hollow temple]

FoF 1 gcd long?

[vivid vessel]

Ks stagger is also buffed which doesn't help

[vivid vessel]

Well you can move during fof tho?

So

It's just a long spell lol

[stiff hawk]

Im just saying they can be annoying too, but not as KS

[scenic rivet]

Keepa #1

[hollow temple]

you can move during all monk channels no?

[vivid vessel]

Ye

He was talking about dragon punvh

[raven socket]

They should either change how it works or just make you immune in PvE for the duration and 1 sec after it ends

[stiff hawk]

The WHirling Dragon Punch

[vivid vessel]

And the dash thing

[stiff hawk]

and the Plunderstorm thingy

are a bit clunky

[hollow temple]

slicing winds?

[stiff hawk]

But nothing is compared to KS

yes

[hollow temple]

it moves you like 2 yards

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[hollow temple]

unless you hold it on purpose

[scenic rivet]

For the most part KS is actually a pretty good defensive in keys. I swear it’s the landing and eating a circle that’s killing more than the DoT

[stiff hawk]

One thing that killed a lot of Monks

WHen Tiger Palm dashed them

[scenic rivet]

Delete monk is the clear fix

[compact mountain]

Yeah, hitting it right after or as a circle is put on the ground beneath you, then you don't have time to run out of it is deadly

[hollow temple]

monk is prolly the only other class as bugged as we are

[raven socket]

For how many molten knuckles i've lost to them,it seams a reasonable fix

[hollow temple]

leave the homies alone

[red zinc]

I mean you dont really use it as a defensive

but i know what u mean

[thorny frigate]

Who of you was this? Actual psyop to gaslight the devs into thinking sub is fine

[scenic rivet]

Yeah you get me

[red zinc]

my fault og

[hollow temple]

tf is this war crime of a chart

[compact mountain]

I like that 0 dps tail

[red zinc]

Thats just the 95% average with peaks afaik

[stiff hawk]

I dont think 95% have 250K DPS

[vivid vessel]

I mean is it

A good def

[red zinc]

No the solid bar is 95%

[vivid vessel]

I swear I never have it up when it would be needed

[stiff hawk]

oh yeah

[red zinc]

The line to the very bottom is the minimum

[vivid vessel]

And healers prepare big instant heals for big hits

So you aren't even helping

Delaying the damage

Then they need to heal you for 10 s

[red zinc]

Might not be 95% idk what exactly

[vivid vessel]

Instead of once

[red zinc]

But some sort of % range

[thorny frigate]

Its an all percentiles mythic mugzee chart screenshot that was posted on icy veins

[scenic rivet]

Yeah guess I’m saying when your in KS and a cast hits you or something the damage is slowly giving instead of killing your ass

[vivid vessel]

Ye but idk

[scenic rivet]

I get that it’s not a defensive but your in it so often

[vivid vessel]

The amount of damage you take from ks

[scenic rivet]

Random throws etc

[vivid vessel]

Versus it being useful once a key as a def

Eh

[red zinc]

I mean zac its just nice to have something that prevents oneshots while you have loss of character

thats all he means

[vivid vessel]

[red zinc]

Like if cast is going through and nobody else has a stop you wont get tapped cause you cant press feint/cloak/eva

[stiff hawk]

[strong cargo]

Any tips to take less damage from Lich boss in Top ? KS feels really bad to me there

[red zinc]

Press on add spawns and with cloak i guess

Can do the 1cp ks praying approach but

[gaunt phoenix]

turbo boost day

[red zinc]

kinda sucky

[scenic rivet]

Yeah it’s literally don’t press it haha

[red zinc]

Theres also tiny windows with no orbs that you can press in occasionally

[stiff hawk]

And Dinar day, prepare for "What should i buy with my DInar" Questions

[red zinc]

You just cant use it when they are active and no targets outside of middle

[scenic rivet]

@gaunt phoenix what should I buy with my dinars?

[red zinc]

Yeah solo id just make a pin even though there literally isnt an answer

Just appease the goobers

[stiff hawk]

Ping

SIM YO SELF

[scenic rivet]

I’ll still ping him. The answer might be different for me obviously

[stiff hawk]

Droptimize the Dinar items

[red zinc]

probably just geargrinder/magnet/house if boss killed, pacemaker/whistle otherwise

[gaunt phoenix]

The jastor diamond

[red zinc]

or weapon honestly

Not the worst shout

(Capo good too obviously but crowd favorite aint even that bad of a buy)

[scenic rivet]

Im probs goin for capo tbh

[gaunt phoenix]

for outlaw it's just capo

[red zinc]

If you got the myth obviously yeah

But lets be honest a very large share doesnt

hero I don’t see it being worth idk

[stiff hawk]

I think my DH and Shaman will buy Capo

so i can get mine on rekills

[remote pike]

guys!!!!!!!! macro and weakaura for the pussy cudgel

[raven socket]

Does anyone know if i can now sim the nightfall weapon ?

Oh nvm i'm blind

[remote pike]

!macro

[proven ocean]

does anyone knows if Chaoszone#14 is blind?

Oh nvm i'm blind

[red zinc]

opening pins hard

[remote pike]

!macros

-.-

[red zinc]

OPEN THE PINS

HOLY

[proven ocean]

try !cupsoup

no mb, cumsoup*

[raven socket]

:c

[late swallow]

!cumsoup

!nutsoup

[remote pike]

didnt know you were typing to me

[proven ocean]

!pussyjuice

wtf none of it works

[late swallow]

!jizzsmoothie

[remote pike]

guys

[late swallow]

Must be bugged

[remote pike]

just open the pin

[red zinc]

!sendzerosstouzbekistan

[late swallow]

[proven ocean]

THATS WHAT WE SAID

[gaunt phoenix]

heroic capo is still bis on bosses

[proven ocean]

like 1 hour ago

[proven ocean]

ok maybe 2 mins ago but still

[remote pike]

I didn't see!

[proven ocean]

[red zinc]

671 capo > 684 base on offhand?

[remote pike]

oh i did see that, but i thought he was replying to somebody else

because he didnt @ me

[gaunt phoenix]

672 but yeah

[remote pike]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-smile-haha-gif-16493621245761075453

[red zinc]

wait whys that one 672 now

[proven ocean]

i wasn't talking to you i didnt @ you right

[gaunt phoenix]

heroic boost was 672 on ptr

[red zinc]

oh

[late swallow]

[proven ocean]

[red zinc]

1 ilvl smaller gap between hero and myth

We made it

Frfr

[gaunt phoenix]

[red zinc]

🇨🇺

wait thats not cuh wtf discord

[random stirrup]

🇨🇺

[vivid vessel]

[vivid vessel]

Wtf you have cuh as well?

One of us

[gaunt phoenix]

i stole it

[vivid vessel]

!!

It's a good one

[proven ocean]

zac

[vivid vessel]

Understandable

Ross

[proven ocean]

im drinking mango purée flavored coffee rn

[remote pike]

forgive me my lord

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-is-going-on-blink-gif-25659945

[proven ocean]

worth about 100$ per small bag

[vivid vessel]

Ross are you farming 12s tomorrow night

[proven ocean]

yea

[vivid vessel]

I might need a group that just spam 12

Idk if you will do that

[proven ocean]

yea i will

will make a banger grp

3.7k+ only for fast runs

no noobs allowed !

also our raid got cancelled tmrw that means

i'll fully gear before thursday

our raid will be onthursday instead

[random stirrup]

NA maintenance until my raid time

[red zinc]

rip moroes

[proven ocean]

@remote pike idk why u deleted it like its some hidden tech or something

[red zinc]

u’d get owned on a 12 by dogwoofwoof assa sucky on low key

[proven ocean]

we already have it

[vivid vessel]

Alright, slot me in

[proven ocean]

idk how early u join zac

[remote pike]

i just tried to not get ran through verbally after my failure

how to get the weakaura list? I remember it the way i wrote it

[vivid vessel]

Around 6.30 server time

[proven ocean]

zac uses the wep swap WA

not me

[vivid vessel]

Is that too late

[proven ocean]

no thats fine

[vivid vessel]

Ok

[remote pike]

@vivid vessel go on lad, lmk

[vivid vessel]

No

I'm sleeping at work rn

[red zinc]

In the morning?

ur cooked

[proven ocean]

bro i feel like i slept like a zombie bitch

[vivid vessel]

18h30

Eoss

[proven ocean]

it'll be worth it tho

for tmrw

[vivid vessel]

I was talking about 18h30

Not morning

Right

[proven ocean]

oh 1830?

i thought 6:30 morning when no one in the game is awake

fuck

what do i do now

[vivid vessel]

??

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

Gamer group

Waking up at 6 am

To farm crests

[proven ocean]

[blissful violet]

https://tenor.com/view/dob-dob-dob-rizz-black-man-ha-ha-ha-gif-17039177668047803738

[proven ocean]

i'll sleep prob at 5-6 am

[vivid vessel]

I get home from work at 6

Pm

30

5

[red zinc]

sub me in coach

[blissful violet]

ill pick u up after work

[proven ocean]

ur like our healer zac

[red zinc]

im like zac but worse

[proven ocean]

my healer is french too

[red zinc]

[vivid vessel]

Is he

Who is it

[vivid vessel]

Ty

[proven ocean]

helena

[blissful violet]

i'll take u on a nice date

[proven ocean]

well u wont know him so ye

he has same lifestyle as you i think

[vivid vessel]

What's my lifestyle

[blissful violet]

u dont know lyfe

[proven ocean]

^

only wow

french

and

probably microwaves his food too

i'll have to confirm that first tho

[vivid vessel]

Fr

[blissful idol]

!prekey

[blissful violet]

microwave the baguette

😋

[proven ocean]

nah

he microwaves his steak

u cant beat zac with his microwaved food

[blissful violet]

i tried using microwave once it was so bad

[proven ocean]

it isnt bad if u never tasted anything better

so

[blissful violet]

i rather put it on the oven at like 250c

with air

than put in microwave for 5 mins

[atomic dirge]

is the dagger or sword/fist/axe better in the off hand?

[vivid vessel]

!oh

Nvm

Doesn't matter cuh

Dagger 0.2% better

[atomic dirge]

ty mate 🙂

[proven ocean]

[blissful violet]

bomboclaaat

[unique fulcrum]

!stats

[stiff hawk]

Bot is dead

[unique fulcrum]

rip

[fallow hinge]

rip bot

[unique fulcrum]

17% haste was the min. req for KiR riiiiight

[stiff hawk]

Bop rit

[stiff hawk]

18-20

[vivid vessel]

Liz!

[fallow hinge]

ur 18-20

got'em

[vivid vessel]

Long time

[fallow hinge]

not long enough, it seems

[zealous plinth]

is it worth to hold geargrinder for big pulls? or just send on cd cause dmg gets split anyways?

[scenic rivet]

Send that shit

[stiff hawk]

Unfortunately im 27

[fallow hinge]

could be worse

could be nearly 32

as a random, non-specific example

[glass silo]

Do u think we will still be using hallowfall wep in keys w Ilvl increase

[stiff hawk]

Imagine being this old amirite?

[fallow hinge]

q.q ikr

basically a corpse already

[stiff hawk]

Life less body

Frfr

[fallow hinge]

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean you will need someone that is willing to deplete his key to 12 btw

Hard to find maybe

Or a guy on an alt

Iddk

[fallow hinge]

a 12 what

[vivid vessel]

a 12 incher

[fallow hinge]

from subway?

hell yeah

[glass mortar]

subway foot longs arent a true 12 inches

they lie to u

[late swallow]

12 inch soft?

Holy

[glass mortar]

just like men

💅

[fallow hinge]

pfft, men

amirite

[glass mortar]

only thing worse is when you add a wo in front of it

[late swallow]

Uhhhhh based?

Peaky blinder american psycho type shit

[glass mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-patrick-bateman-american-psycho-gif-7212093

[fallow hinge]

If you think about it

Weran is only 2 letters away from that word

does that make you 60% of one?

[glass mortar]

50% at least

[stiff hawk]

Fuck Men right!?

[glass mortar]

half man, half wo-man

[fallow hinge]

if they buy me dinner first

[stiff hawk]

Does a Mcflurry seal the deal too?

[fallow hinge]

depends what flavour

[stiff hawk]

Smarties Chocolate

[fallow hinge]

:O

that's the best one

deal

[stiff hawk]

[fallow hinge]

I haven't had a mcflurry in so long

[stiff hawk]

i had like 1-2 months ago

[glass mortar]

i havent had mcdonalds period in like 10 years

and that was just stopping on a road trip to get a coffee

their coffee was good for fast food chain coffee tho

[worn pendant]

McDonald's breakfast is goat

[stiff hawk]

I was at mcdonalds yesterday

For a new special glass

Thats the sole reason i go to mcdonalds

[light kernel]

As m+ player only this dinar change makes me quit the game, does any1 else feel that way?

[bronze parcel]

idk where u live but mcdonalds hasnt given away actual glass cups in like 15 years around me

[red zinc]

you do understand that you under normal circumstances would have gotten nothing

And now you at least get guaranteed mythic m+ trinkets and heroic raid items

how much of a baby do you have to be to quit the game over that

[light kernel]

Tell me what can I get as outlaw

From m+

[strong cargo]

Floodgate trinket

[light kernel]

Besides crit trinket which i already have mythic track

Besides that

Compare value of that and raid stuff

[red zinc]

just go kill first 2 mythic and get bike and myth mainhand?

[strong cargo]

Sorry you can't get loot if you already have it lol

[red zinc]

The other raid items have nigh zero value outside of capo

like

this would be the exact same as any other season with you not being able to get mythic raid items

Why are people such fucking manchildren about it

[hybrid crown]

Myth vexie trinket slaps go get that one for sure

[light kernel]

Idk df s3 wnd boss mythic puggable and mydas talisman

[red zinc]

ok one season congrats

still no point to be made

If there werent any dinars you would’ve continued playing?

[light kernel]

Last season aswell

Assa bis from dungeons

Point is items are shit from keys

[red zinc]

then go raid?

[light kernel]

Ye, now im at disadvantage from ppl who raid

[agile orchid]

and how is that not deserved

you don't do the content

and you expect to be at the same level

[red zinc]

Like they wouldn’t have gotten the items anyway without dinars?

Like honestly

Think critically

Holy hell

[glass mortar]

dungeon gearers have always been at a disadvantage from raid

[light kernel]

Its well deserved

[glass mortar]

u always need to raid to get optimal gear

[vivid vessel]

you are a virgin

[stiff hawk]

Mythic raider have to play keys too

[glass mortar]

idk how dinars changes anything

[stiff hawk]

so its only fair

M+er have to raid too

[red zinc]

string together a single coherent thought and come back

[stiff hawk]

[red zinc]

[vivid vessel]

TIM

LIZ

[fallow hinge]

I'm not getting full bis tomorrow, bad game q.q

[vivid vessel]

WEARN

[glass mortar]

theres definitly a fallacy for this i just dont know it

[vivid vessel]

TIRAMOUL

[stiff hawk]

HOW DARE THEY

[glass mortar]

every season >no dinars >m+ers cant get bis trinkets

[red zinc]

fucking idiot fallacy

or something

[stiff hawk]

ZACHERIE

[fallow hinge]

LIZ!

[glass mortar]

this season >dinars but u need to raid for the raid geart

[fallow hinge]

I felt left out

[glass mortar]

THESE RUINED THE SEASON

kinda crazy

[vivid vessel]

wdym

[glass mortar]

u went from never having access to them to never having access to them

[fallow hinge]

oh I missed that

[glass mortar]

what changed

[fallow hinge]

mb

[red zinc]

1% dps loss because im too lazy to raid -> i cant time my 13s

[fallow hinge]

the entitlement

[red zinc]

[glass mortar]

ye

[stiff hawk]

I swear, calling them Dinars made people think they get stuff for free

[glass mortar]

yea that was a mistake from blizzard

[stiff hawk]

They should hav ecalled it Bad Luck Protection

[glass mortar]

i thought it was weird they were doing dinars in a real season

[light kernel]

Yeah cause 12s are equivalent to mythic gally totally

[fallow hinge]

I just wanna know if I get a hero track raid item then later kill the boss on mythic, would my item be upgradable?

[stiff hawk]

I mean in genreal

I have to do 8 keys every week

and 30-50 keys first week

[glass mortar]

u dont need mythic any raid loot to time keys up to probably what

[agile orchid]

mythic gally loot is not equivalent to m+ loot, is it

[stiff hawk]

to play mythic

[light kernel]

This season not

[red zinc]

this season is like one of the least severe offenders too

[fallow hinge]

I wish we could get mythh track from keys after getting harbinger

[random stirrup]

I don't understand why people say "oh but i have to do keys as a raider so keyers should have to raid"

[red zinc]

The only thing you miss out on is like 1-2% boss damage in keys

[stiff hawk]

a take from raid leader discord

[red zinc]

Aoe you dont even need anything from raid

[random stirrup]

why should anyone have to do content they don't want to

i don't get it

by saying "i dont want to do keys as a raider" you are stating you understand the reasoning behind a m+ers take

[agile orchid]

why should anyone get loot from content they don't want to do

[glass mortar]

because the game has hoops and if u want to have the bis tippy top gear ur expected to engage with those hoops

of course for 99.99% of the playerbase they dont need the gear these hoops provide

[red zinc]

they dont want to split the whole game into two chunks

[fallow hinge]

the point is, you don't have to do the content. You can be good enough without it

[stiff hawk]

Ye why should m+er get the item for free

[glass mortar]

but the game has selected towards everyone being as optimal as possible

[stiff hawk]

im progging for

[red zinc]

If they wanted to they wouldve seperated the whole thing a while ago

[random stirrup]

true they shouldn't get it for free

[red zinc]

its their intention for people to engage with both with one being to a lesser degree

[random stirrup]

but it also shouldn't be turbo bis in m+

[stiff hawk]

Thats how it is

[glass mortar]

theres nothing in raid thats turbo bis in m+ anyway

not for us

complaint might be valid for another spec

[random stirrup]

maybe but that's tuning dependent

[stiff hawk]

NExt season Bis trinkets are in M+

[red zinc]

idk man I think there being a 1-2% dps loss from raid is whatever

[fallow hinge]

hunters and jastor diamond, for example

[stiff hawk]

and than its the other way around

[red zinc]

like you can play the game just fine without it

if you really really want the minmax you gotta put in some effort

Perfectly fine with me

[glass mortar]

but mythic raiding is the hardest content in the game (or by design thats what blizzard tries to make it) and so they tend to put higher rewards behind it. The game is structured around raiding

[red zinc]

As long as we arent doing the 20% dps trinkets again

[fallow hinge]

hc jastor is like 2% up for me over a myth high crit ring, as an example.

which is kinda nuts for a ring

[glass mortar]

m+ was always a way to gear for raiding primarily and this group of players that only wanna do m+ has been growing since legion

[random stirrup]

play sub without hoc

[glass mortar]

i dont think blizzard really cares tho

[random stirrup]

or doing pvp for an alternate trinket

[glass mortar]

find a group doing mythic kyveza :p

or whatever the fuk that trinket was from

[fallow hinge]

m+ is sort of a catchup mechanic for getting mythic ready, until you get up to the push ranges

[proven ocean]

Thats easy i may boost ppl who need 12s for valorstone bonus

[red zinc]

Ill be there at like 2 with a shitty key if i am required

[proven ocean]

Or maybe i boost my own dk

[red zinc]

Actually got uni to do though crazy

[proven ocean]

Will see

[stiff hawk]

And DInars are a Bad Luck Protection and not a you get a bis item for free System

[red zinc]

[proven ocean]

Idk if we’ll need valorstones

Anyways i go sleep abit now brb

[vivid vessel]

a bit

but i think you will get enough doing keys to farm gilded

[red zinc]

I got like 3 alts lined up

[vivid vessel]

i need 3400

[red zinc]

[vivid vessel]

to up everything

@proven ocean

[red zinc]

no way its that little

aint it like 200 per upgrade

[stiff hawk]

No it checks out

with alts

you get a discount

so its prolly less

[red zinc]

yeah but

You dont habe a discount for 678-684

[vivid vessel]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3CLKCAxkGXmVRFBcugpdgi lot of crafts

[red zinc]

Oh yeah true ofc

is capo mh actually bis on aoe?

[vivid vessel]

seems like it ye

[fallow hinge]

wyh so many crafts? :o

[vivid vessel]

why not

[red zinc]

Wtf no pvp neck

end of an era

[vivid vessel]

ya

[stiff hawk]

If you upgrade your alts first

[fallow hinge]

you had the sparks for those?

[stiff hawk]

and have gilded saved up for that

you definitely should

[red zinc]

I mean i am leaving my alts for dead

but ye thats a decent plan

U cooked

[fallow hinge]

wait, do the extra 2 upgrades not get discounted above 675?

[stiff hawk]

I have like 8-9 Slots lined up

with alts

that get upgraded

[red zinc]

If you’ve done them on an alt they do

But you gotta do it on a diff char first

[fallow hinge]

I see

[red zinc]

In terms of crests someone said they did

[fallow hinge]

I only have the 1 character this season

[red zinc]

But i dont really believe it

[fallow hinge]

ah well

crests are farmable

[stiff hawk]

I even have a made a small sheet for that

[past sphinx]

how does outlaw scale with gear compared to other classes?

[red zinc]

We’ll see

[stiff hawk]

[red zinc]

Bad

[past sphinx]

ffs

so we are indirectly getting a nerf

[bronze parcel]

lol

easy killer

[red zinc]

not this again

yes its a nerf

[agile orchid]

they will do tuning anyway

[red zinc]

very marginal

[past sphinx]

surprised they didnt do tuning before reset

[glass mortar]

not enough scaling is happening from 6 ilvl for it to matter

[agile orchid]

they did

[glass mortar]

us getting more value from the corruption enchant if anything might help equalize the gain

[red zinc]

people really got their panties in a twist over anythin sometimes

Did you know you can also buff your class by playing it better

[past sphinx]

not rlly bruv

[stiff hawk]

I save like 90 Crests

plus Valorstones

[agile orchid]

don't worry guys they will fix KS to compensate

[vivid vessel]

time isnt

[fallow hinge]

I have a bunch of crests

[stiff hawk]

I mean im at cap

[past sphinx]

i got 2k valor on like 4 alts rdy to go

[fallow hinge]

I mean all the previous ones too

[stiff hawk]

Only item that wasnt 675/678 wa cape

Well yeah

i dont have many runed

tbh

[fallow hinge]

I'm still the highest ilvl in my guild though so I don't really mind

[stiff hawk]

im not

but im the one with most Myth track items

and also Bis trinkets

[exotic grail]

is there any information if the cap on 11 delves is lifted and you can farm gilded there?

should be pretty fast

[stiff hawk]

I dont know

but 12s should be faster with 20 gilded

[bronze parcel]

not lifted dont believe

[exotic grail]

we'll see when NA goes live

[glass mortar]

+6 ilvl on the hero delve items too u cowards

[bronze parcel]

best gear in the season delves

[hybrid crown]

Ohh does only myth gear get an upgrade

[slate forge]

Hero does too

[hybrid crown]

Oh cool

[fallow hinge]

Zac, another jinx for you to fawn over

I'm freeeeeeeeeee

[hybrid crown]

I bet most of the crest farm groups are going to be spamming 10s

[stiff hawk]

Jinxed it

[hybrid crown]

Dont you still get like 16 from 10s

[stiff hawk]

Yes

But 12s are without affix

and give 20

and are as fast as 10s

[hybrid crown]

Man I should have done all my 12s

[stiff hawk]

i mean you still cna

[late swallow]

[bronze parcel]

still need 4 dungeons to unlock the first dinar just finish your 12s

[exotic grail]

they want to buff the crest rewards vom delves significantly, so if there is no cap, 11 delves should be faster. In the sidestreet one you need maybe 5 minutes.

[stiff hawk]

But you only get Gilded from bountiful

no?

[vivid vessel]

Why 10

12 give more

Dont deplete

No shit affix

[zealous plinth]

• 12s give Progress for Dinar quest

[tropic zephyr]

True

Weeklies on 12 is such a qol

Fuck affixes idk why they even bother anymore

[pulsar shale]

qol?

[stiff hawk]

Quality Of Life

[exotic grail]

no from every delve

[stiff hawk]

Are oyu sure

[vivid vessel]

Really

Idk what the quest is

Do I have to farm something

[late swallow]

I can’t believe blizz is making players do content for gear

Literal nazis

[stiff hawk]

I cant

[cold jewel]

farm these

[glass mortar]

the quest is to do 4 dungeons or kill 4 raid bosses innit

and its to get the dinar

u dont just get handed them

[fallow hinge]

there's nothing there to farm yo

[vivid vessel]

wtf

4???

[glass mortar]

no clue

it might be fake news

u think i read this kinda nonsense on wowhead

we are all blizzards little addicts who will log on, pick up whatever slop quest and grind it out before raid anyway

who cares what the req is

💅

[rotund zodiac]

Hi chat

Hope u all get good vaults

[fallen knot]

tomorrow i farm 25+12s easy

[zealous plinth]

Yes 4 raid Bosses or 4x 12+ keys

[fallen knot]

no 25 for 500 gilded more or less

the dinar quest is useless anywasy no

[strong cargo]

Why would it be ? If you are full bis gear then yes

[wary wind]

the outlaw guide on wowhead doesnt have all mythic bosses seleectable to view dinar priority - is there a handy guide someone has on general rule of thumb dinar choices?

[fallen knot]

or if you dont have 8/8 yet

[glass mortar]

mythic mugzee fist weapon if u have or will have access to it > pick ur favorite trinkets

[vivid vessel]

There is no guide for dinar

We aren't you

We don't know you

[fallen knot]

guide is

[vivid vessel]

We don't know your gear

[glass mortar]

its literally fill the slots of the gear that u wanted but dont have

[vivid vessel]

The content you do

[fallen knot]

if you wont kill mythic later bosses

[glass mortar]

^

whats a guide for

[fallen knot]

then

[vivid vessel]

Dinars is litteraly bad luck protection

[fallen knot]

sim whatever you can buy

then buy

[zealous plinth]

Who can boost me mug zee kill so I can buy capos? 😂

[glass mortar]

the biggest bestest piece thats hard to get is mugzee fist

[fallen knot]

or keep if you're about kill

[glass mortar]

if u cant get mythic then u want herioc

but maybe u dont wanna dinar herioc

but what else are u gunna dinar

🤷

all depends whats available to u

[zealous plinth]

Trinkets

[glass mortar]

pick the two best trinkets and best weapon u can get and get them

[strong cargo]

Can you buy sprocket cloak ? To upgrade your real cloak for free 🤔

[glass mortar]

i doubt the dinar is gunna provide 8/8 fully upgraded gear?

i assumed its gunna come at the same level it would drop

and then u upgrade it

[vivid vessel]

it drops at 678

[strong cargo]

Cloak is a rare so it drops full upgraded

[glass mortar]

sure maybe u could use it to save crests if u dont need gear

[vivid vessel]

But they already fucked us over with coins

[glass mortar]

ive heard rumors the OaB ring might just be on vendor when it goes live because of some spelldata fuckery they found in the notes

[vivid vessel]

You could get a coin from last boss

Which was supposedly 671

[glass mortar]

but i doubt thatll be the case

they arent brave enough to let us waste dinars on gambling

[vivid vessel]

Except if you use the coin to buy a slot that comes from an earlier boss it was less ilvl

Big scam

I remember getting scammed

[fallen knot]

is wow in eu deadge or is it me

[frail veldt]

Bro its like 10 times worse on na

At least in high content

[fallen knot]

no

i mean

is it down

[frail veldt]

Oh...lololol

[fallen knot]

nvm

[proven ocean]

Ah 300 crests only?

[serene gate]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[proven ocean]

Ok i guess i’ll be max ilvl before 6 pm

[hybrid crown]

Is the delve belt or corruption helmet ench available today

[vivid vessel]

no, its 300 + the crafted stuffs

so 300 + 60 + 20 *5

[hybrid crown]

Oh nmd

The answer is no

I think the helmet is in a few weeks but the belt is 11.1.7

[fallen knot]

ok

i legit was going to ask taht

[fallen knot]

why 20*5

[strong cargo]

To upgrade myt existing crafts

[fallen knot]

it's 30 for crafts no?

[vivid vessel]

the lil upgrad thingies

is it 30 ?

well

gg

[fallen knot]

i calculate 500 because i thought it was 30

for crafts

[slate forge]

30*16 no?

[fallen knot]

basically yes

but

like

i have 2 crafts to do and so i'ts 90*2 there

[daring oxide]

Where’s the puzzling cartel dinars priority pick pin post @white quail

[fallen knot]

but yea basically 500quests

[vivid vessel]

i calculated 510 ystday

[daring oxide]

Opps @gaunt phoenix

[vivid vessel]

i think i did the math with 30

[fallen knot]

yea quests

i'm stunned

i wrote you

500 yesterday

cause i did math with 30

for me it's 14x30+90x2

so it's 600 yea gg kill me now

[stiff glade]

I can't wait to have to rebalance my haste again with the new ilvl

Love doing that

[pliant wind]

step by step guys, no need to hurry

[glass mortar]

if its not done in one play session after u log on post reset you arent a real wow player

nice casual psyop tho

next ur gunna invite me to farm some mounts

[fallen knot]

also i'm not even reclearing on main

so no race for new parses

i'm getting to 680 to progress on sprocket smh

i really hope both sprocket and bandit become trivial with like 680ilvl

[glass mortar]

is sprocket % based or timer based

idr

[strong cargo]

Only timer

[glass mortar]

all i know is with current gear we murder him like as he starts spawning the void orbs in last phase

meaning with 6 more ilvl should never even see that mechanic anymore

[fallen knot]

yea we started progress yesterday

still figuring out p2

but like

we will skip that ball phase yes, but we kind of need to get there

[pale pivot]

Hey guys, what´s spec is worth now? HO pr KIR?

[glass mortar]

whichever one u enjoy more

they r very close

[fallen knot]

ho trickster for m+ and if you dont have 19-20% haste baseline, if you have 19-20% haste baseline (or with flask help) you can play kir 1fth gs to get the most out of the spec

in pure single target it's kir fatebound

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/856897810536071208

[pale pivot]

Thanks!! i pref play HO for all content, os thanks for your help!

[fallen knot]

yea i do aswell rn

[pliant wind]

Yep i prefer HO too

[fallen knot]

kir 1fth enjoyers will say skill issue

i say we're not that unhinged to play a psycho build

[pliant wind]

i get tilted a lot if i die in a KS or something and i did use a 6min cd

[safe pasture]

Don’t get tilted just leave party instantly 😄

[pliant wind]

haha

[fallen knot]

log in uhdk and go brrr

[glass mortar]

the builds r practically the same in sims

1 fth being the best build is just a cope

[fallen knot]

yes i know

[glass mortar]

dont let the propaganda spread

[fallen knot]

that build is best, but like, you will basically lose nothing

meaning

[vivid vessel]

Idk

In m+

[fallen knot]

bro

you play

18s

[vivid vessel]

Kinda feels better

I can gap any kid in 15 as well wdym

Doesn't matter the key level

[glass mortar]

u gap HO outlaw players of ur level?

[fallen knot]

you gap

people

[glass mortar]

r there even any in EU to test vs

[fallen knot]

because you play really good

not because 1fth kir is better

like if you played ho you would gap aswell

[vivid vessel]

Idk I gap wox for example

When he played ho

Now I have seen him do more similar damage than me when playing kir

[fallen knot]

again

[safe pasture]

He been diein too much on dh that’s why

[vivid vessel]

i mean there is no one else i can compare to

so

[glass mortar]

ok but he was playing HO during the bugged era and now hes playing kir in the non bugged era

[vivid vessel]

wtf you want me to say

[glass mortar]

how can u tell

yea

there isnt good comparison

[vivid vessel]

thats not true

[glass mortar]

sure doesnt show like that in sims tho

[vivid vessel]

he started playing kir like

on tr

3 weeks ago

[fallen knot]

like i would probably perform better on ho than on 1fth kir

[keen belfry]

i think outlaw has a weird hold on me and that i actually dont like the spec but im trapped by it

[fallen knot]

cause i'm waaaay too used to 2fth rotation

i would need to hit target dummy for 2hours straight to correct it

[keen belfry]

EVERYTIME i play another spec, this season arcane mage/gearing my enh shammy again, im like wow is this chill and nice and feels well designed

[fallen knot]

arcane mage for me is hell

mage in general is hell for me actually

[tight kernel]

When do corruptions drop?

[glass mortar]

a few weeks innit

end of may i thought

[keen belfry]

like bruh when you are just there spamming rtb you legit feel so bad fo your group

[fallen knot]

no

[safe pasture]

Na fug my group

[vivid vessel]

I guess we will never know if kir is truly better than ho

[fallen knot]

i live for the pure hate i have for them

i ks to kill them

not to do damage

[vivid vessel]

Because I won't ever play ho

[glass mortar]

i think kir is better then HO because it has less variance over dungeon pulls

[fallen knot]

and when i see an outlaw do the same

[glass mortar]

but idk if thats a raw number thing

[fallen knot]

i laugh hard

[keen belfry]

when your tank is on your ass on the first pull of floodgate cause you pressed RTB 4 times in the first 20 seconds or whatever

[fallen knot]

cause i know what it feels like

[vivid vessel]

I'm talking raw number

[glass mortar]

just a "intangible value to time keys" thing

[fallen knot]

wdym pressed rtb 4 times

[glass mortar]

well numerically kir builds win by a small margin at 8 targets right

[fallen knot]

in 20seconds

[glass mortar]

and then HO starts winning at like 3 or 4, lower target count

and in ST

if we are looking at sims

[fallen knot]

i roll once hit 5buff am happy

[safe pasture]

Does anyone run sub on the side ? Wana mess with it but feel like it’s troll with all my crafted gear sense it’s all verse crit

[glass mortar]

zac did u see my new personal priory record

[fallen knot]

sub for me is like arcane mage

[glass mortar]

5.3m dps on first boss

1.3m on second

[fallen knot]

weird as fuck spec that has no sense in existing and they should delete both

[glass mortar]

wtf arcanes a banger now

[vivid vessel]

Meh idk

[safe pasture]

Naa sub is sick

[glass mortar]

add crackshot sound effect to orb proc

[vivid vessel]

I wanted to check logs but it's not even fair

[glass mortar]

ur g2g

[vivid vessel]

There is no one doing damage

[fallen knot]

no like

you do damage with respect of how much mana you ahve

like what is mana even

[glass mortar]

i dont think that has been a thing in years? doesnt it just have a minor scaling with ur total mana

its not about ur current mana

and yes mana as a dps resource has been arcanes unique quirk for like 10 years now

[keen belfry]

you rarely even think about mana now stov

you press barrage so much in aoe that you have mana

[fallen knot]

you will never convince me to level a mage

i tried in df

[keen belfry]

arcane is so fun

[fallen knot]

hated it

[glass mortar]

shame ur missing out on the Main character of the game

[vivid vessel]

I wish more people logged

[glass mortar]

mage specs when they r strong r just built dif

[fallen knot]

fuck that

[keen belfry]

and fire is very fun in raid

[vivid vessel]

Keys

[glass mortar]

literal god class

[vivid vessel]

I cannot get data

[glass mortar]

the tools they have is insane

[fallen knot]

i dont feel safe at all

like

[glass mortar]

thats pretty crazy

i mean its all active mitigation with mages

they r not very tanky if u hit buttons

[fallen knot]

best defensives and stuff

[safe pasture]

I log my terrible keys so I should be bringing the average down a good 20%

[glass mortar]

if u hit buttons they are rogue levels tho

[fallen knot]

it's just propaganda lies

[glass mortar]

its not tho

[timber knoll]

Get house of cards if you don’t got it, I think vers is decent for sub so should be not awful, but sub is just undertuned rn

[fallen knot]

dk to me feels way more safe

[pliant wind]

Pog

[fallen knot]

you just eat mechanics

[vivid vessel]

I gap people that play ho more than people that play kir weran

[fallen knot]

and hit a death strike

[glass mortar]

u like classes that are more passively tanky sure

[vivid vessel]

This must mean something

Right

[fallen knot]

back to full health gg

[glass mortar]

sure alter time > eat a mechanic > alter time back to full hp gg

mage takes a brain to live on tho

doesnt change that they have an unhinged toolkit

[fallen knot]

mages are our enemy why are you spreading mage propaganda

[keen belfry]

i do think that everyone who doesnt play mage, says they are sooo tanky and shuld never die, would just die on their mage

but once youre used to it, man they kinda are unkillable xd

barrier is actually op

[fallen knot]

it is

but feint is even more op

[glass mortar]

y r mages our enemy

[keen belfry]

i am a mage weran i am not your enemy

[glass mortar]

well u are personally, my enemy awang

but mages in general im ok with

😠

[fallen knot]

cause

[keen belfry]

Awangenemy

[fallen knot]

at blizzard (which is a fucking mage spell btw)

when they need to balance

"yea just make mage meta every season why not who cares"

"outlaw? the fuck is that, oh you're saying they've been hitting dead targets for an expansion? wow i didnt think you were such a conspiracy theorist"

[frail veldt]

Selection bias af

[glass mortar]

why are u comparing outlaw

[fallen knot]

they will give

[glass mortar]

to mages

how many specs is mages?

[fallen knot]

cr to mages

[glass mortar]

how many specs is rogue?

hasnt sin been a banger for 2 seasons?

[fallen knot]

and a tank spec

[glass mortar]

maybe not mage level but close

[fallen knot]

and a healing spec

[keen belfry]

is that bug why i would lose to tanks on pull 1 of necrotic wake

[glass mortar]

probably yea

[frail veldt]

Probably yeah

[fallen knot]

yes

[glass mortar]

think about all the mass pulls u do at the start of a dungeon and most of those mass pulls involve mobs with 50% less hp then the elites dying early on

and then u just fight on top of them

[frail veldt]

It was most apparent in giant pulls with lots of piss mobs

[glass mortar]

for the rest of the pull

what a disaster

[fallen knot]

like

they were right

[atomic dirge]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[keen belfry]

sin rogue on first pull of NW was a banger tho

[proven ocean]

false wasle

[fallen knot]

cap flurry is fine

but

[proven ocean]

all HO players suck

doesnt make HO bad

[fallen knot]

not if you hit dead targets

[proven ocean]

i said it

if ur an HO player

99.9/100 times

ur a really bad player

thats the truth

not toxic

just