outlaw

[desert tendon]

but the %bonusdam was to not need to nerf bosses

so

[red zinc]

and then 6% next next week

[desert tendon]

did they just failed or what?

[red zinc]

[vivid vessel]

6% what

[red zinc]

head enchant and aura buff

[vivid vessel]

ah ye

xd

isnt raid aura buff next reset

[red zinc]

dont think so

unless im behind

renown 11 rn, raid buff is at 13

[fallen knot]

ye

[red zinc]

we get this

idk

[desert tendon]

The professionals

more like

the boringonals

[vivid vessel]

Spicy!

[desert tendon]

[red zinc]

good one buddy!

[desert tendon]

Spoocy

[red zinc]

idk man puggin getting a lil on my nerves

i will do 50% more damage than anyone they could ever invite

but they just dont know and think yellow class bad

meanwhile im holding my key for a guy that will never log in

[fallen knot]

is gear irrelevant???????

dh and warr both 669

me 656

[red zinc]

why havent you gotten gear yet

[fallen knot]

cause i dont have runed crests

[red zinc]

is this like a mental thing

purposefully staying low gear to ruin peoples mentals

[vivid vessel]

bro

[red zinc]

i respect it tbh

[vivid vessel]

the thing with runed crests

[fallen knot]

no

[vivid vessel]

is so fucking cringe

i swear to god

[fallen knot]

i cba

doing 6

do fucking

upgrade to 658

[vivid vessel]

ye and next week its gonna be even worse buddy

[fallen knot]

i'd rather be 656

fucking farm

a billion gilded

[vivid vessel]

also i fucked on my monk

[fallen knot]

and buy them

[vivid vessel]

i crafted a sword

[fallen knot]

or craft everything

[vivid vessel]

if i had crafted a 2 hander it was less crests spent for 2 slots right

[fallen knot]

but 2x sparks

[vivid vessel]

and now if i get 2 hander from first boss i cant upgrade it

ye but

fuck sparks right

i think i fucked up i should have crafted 2 hander

[fallen knot]

no i'm gonna craft everything

fuck this

[vivid vessel]

ye maybe you just craft everyslot lol

so you dont farm runed i guess

[fallen knot]

or

i farm gilded

[vivid vessel]

but then you arent using your crest reduction thing

[fallen knot]

and convert to runed

[red zinc]

lowkey

they should let people downgrade crests without counting against cap

[fallen knot]

i mean

[red zinc]

dont see why not

[fallen knot]

i dont have fucking myth pieces

hello blizzard

i missed vaults until now

gg fuck me i guess

i got outplayed by not playing alts

[red zinc]

like just make it so if you turn 15 gilded into 15 runed, it counts against cap of runed and gets rid of the gilded cap

would solve a lotta issues

[vivid vessel]

true

[fallen knot]

no like

either you get 655

and you need 10runed

or you never get anything like me

and you still need runed to upgrade champion gear

[vivid vessel]

i fucked up hard with that weapon thing stov

ngl

now i have an off hand

645 ilvl

forever

[fallen knot]

buy mace from event

[fallen knot]

1000% bis

[balmy parcel]

i have a quick question but can outlaw go back to the way it was in bfa

[fallen knot]

653

not even playing smh

[vivid vessel]

I cant even upgrade gear i have no valorstones

valorstones is legit

the worse thing

ever created

[fallen knot]

i dont have pieces to upgrade

and i wont use my gilded on hero pieces now

cause next week i get gilded of the undermine

[whole cloak]

Hi,

I have Geargrinder's Spare Keys and just recieved Junkmastero's Mega Magnet recently, equipping both, but wondering when do I use the best time to use Junkmastero's Mega Magnet? is it at max stack or should I bind it to my rotations as macros

[fallen knot]

so i'm stuck daddy

make a macro that uses both trinkets

and bind it to 1 button

not to a spell

cause you wont get subterfuge if you get out of stealth by using a trinket

and

apart from damage increases like last boss on rook or 1st boss of motherlode

use magnet on cd

[gaunt phoenix]

its the same damage per stack, the stacks just let you hold it for vulnerability windows

so just press it but on some bosses hold

[fallen knot]

yea solo said it better

[whole cloak]

Thanks, kinda got it, but on mythic raiding progression, should I hold it on bosses aswell? im currently at bandit

seen some on logs that use it on cds or holding it at 30 stacks

[gaunt phoenix]

doesnt matter there

[whole cloak]

Thanks 😄

[desert tendon]

@vivid vessel

wtf is this cook

wox tank vegan feral?

????????

xD

[vivid vessel]

well they chose to go past day 1

by playing their comp

so day 2 they are fucked

so they are just trollingh

[desert tendon]

lmfao

well trolling but in 19

[vivid vessel]

ye

but they will lose

they would have had a chance if they could play their main specs

but blizzard rule is troll so

[desert tendon]

yea

the blizzard rule make sens for exodia

not for others

[vivid vessel]

even then

it doesnt

[desert tendon]

should be mage / vdh / dk ban

gg

[vivid vessel]

only players that are able to play around that rule

are the best players already

so they just created a bigger gap

between top teams

and less top teams

[desert tendon]

ye agreed

[red zinc]

@vivid vessel how long do you hold kir when you have 5 buff and does it depend on what buff ur missing

[vivid vessel]

forever

if im missing snc or bt

i just send when i get under 30s

of rtb

or gm in st

or idk

honestly

i have no idea what i do with kir

i just do what feels good

generally it works out

[red zinc]

true

im honestly just grasping at straws for minmax

maybe i just need more ilvls

legendary pad actually

gotta love blade flurry hitting the bombs

[desert tendon]

i wish i had seen zac vdh on mdi

no cap

he s so good at vdhing

[red zinc]

wait bf for cp generation on first boss ml cook?

probably cant hit enough though

[vivid vessel]

nah

cant hit enough at all

[frail veldt]

they should really be banning the most popular specs used for the entire day

not on a per team basis

[vivid vessel]

i do love that we can pad on thems tho

very funny

does mean fatebound is even worse

[frail veldt]

like top 5 most common specs used in a day

banned day 2

[red zinc]

oh yeah the 1 enemy thing

[frail veldt]

theres adds first boss of ML?

thats the bomb boss right?

[vivid vessel]

the bombs

[red zinc]

see above screenshot

[frail veldt]

LOL

the bombs count!?!?!?

[vivid vessel]

you can cleave them

[frail veldt]

hahahhaha

[vivid vessel]

ye

last time i opened the boss and i was at 5 mil dps

i tought i blasted the damage amp

or smth

but no

jiust cleaved like a motherfucker

[red zinc]

bte critted!

also still dont get why trinkets suddenly work in damage amp

normally never does i feel like

[vivid vessel]

whta

its a damage amp on boss

a debuff

not a buff on you

[desert tendon]

yea i thought that was the rule

not a per team one

[red zinc]

ye

even that didnt work in df afaik

[frail veldt]

per team is insanely stupid

[desert tendon]

which sux for people using already bizarre comps

it s so disadvantageaous for no reason

[frail veldt]

"oh hey you put in a lot of effort to master an off meta comp? BANNED"

[desert tendon]

but again i ll give them that

they tried

they probably know where they failed and succed

[red zinc]

theres a bunch of things that didnt used to work on damage amps

[frail veldt]

theres really just an insane lack of forethought into the rule

[desert tendon]

hope they ll keep improving

[vivid vessel]

thing is

[red zinc]

like the damage effect of breath from aug

[vivid vessel]

they prolly would have had a chance day 2

its just stupid man

stupid rule

all the off meta teams got overlly punished by iut

echo team got to look even better than they usually

do

[desert tendon]

yea i can bet

[vivid vessel]

cause they were playing against people

that had to play

off meta

day 2

[red zinc]

mickey mouse tournament ay

[vivid vessel]

so they litteraly destroyed them

[red zinc]

[desert tendon]

what are the usual place holder used by meta comp btw?

[vivid vessel]

wdym

[desert tendon]

enhance / lock / rsham?

[vivid vessel]

nah

[red zinc]

but zac you're certain about trinkets working on damage amps right now

like log verified

[desert tendon]

for day 1 to not get fked

[vivid vessel]

you are going to laugh censi

its funy

[desert tendon]

tell me

frost mage

rdruid

[vivid vessel]

they played frost dk fire mage

[desert tendon]

idk

LMAO

[red zinc]

same classes diff specs

the dog comp

[vivid vessel]

[hidden bay]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vivid vessel]

domus you noob

i see you

!

[red zinc]

ima check if trinkets work in log on damage amps

just curious

[desert tendon]

what s the usual third class used zac

[vivid vessel]

they do ?

[desert tendon]

it s 3 right?

[vivid vessel]

why would they not

[red zinc]

im sure they do i just get shit told to me by people and want to check

[vivid vessel]

thats just stupid lol

[hidden bay]

wait

honey buzzer is our bis

for keys

?

[vivid vessel]

then how would that work for specs that use stats trinket

[vivid vessel]

who cares

[hidden bay]

i didnt take that shit like 3 times

[vivid vessel]

bis and bis

every trinket is within 0.1%

[desert tendon]

every class use class trinket noob

[red zinc]

theres like 7 bis trinkets because they all suck

[desert tendon]

only outlasw dosnt

[vivid vessel]

stop looking at these stupid bis sims

[desert tendon]

noob

[vivid vessel]

bis trinkets are the ones r1 outlaw uses

let me check

[hidden bay]

which are?

[red zinc]

because its some built in rule that I checked back in DF

[vivid vessel]

im not r1 anymore so you gotta use obsess trinkets now

[red zinc]

idk if they changed it

its stupid as fuck but it was a thing

[vivid vessel]

here bis trinket

[desert tendon]

zac not r1

[hidden bay]

ok all credibility gone

[desert tendon]

based

[vivid vessel]

would have been different yesterday but

[desert tendon]

[tender wedge]

Wow the whistle

[hidden bay]

zac untrustworthy now

[quasi verge]

mine cart wooo

[vivid vessel]

today is obsess so you use these trinkets

[desert tendon]

whistle the wow

[hidden bay]

the fuck is the whistle

[vivid vessel]

the whistle

[frail veldt]

delve trink I think

[hidden bay]

idk what it even is

or does

[red zinc]

i mean honestly I might just buy keys since i aint killin stix/bandit

[tender wedge]

I used that for a bit and it felt a bit weak tbh but idk I’m not r1 outlaw

[red zinc]

[vivid vessel]

everyone uses different trinkets

like who tf cares

honestly

[frail veldt]

theyre all so close

[desert tendon]

just use whatever u have on mythic

[red zinc]

I care

[frail veldt]

essentially

the trinkets dont matter

[desert tendon]

is the golden rule of outlasw trinket

[frail veldt]

theyre all within 0.1% of eachother

[red zinc]

except when they bring back cache

YEAAH

[tender wedge]

It procs a minecart that flies in and explodes, scaring the shit out of your group mates and doing not much damage

[red zinc]

cache honestly the best trinket ever man

[hidden bay]

grieftorch

[frail veldt]

what is cache

[hidden bay]

nothing is better than that

[red zinc]

wait

i was going to say grieftorch didnt give us a shitton of aoe

but it did

[desert tendon]

dude

cache

i remember

[red zinc]

xymox trinket

[desert tendon]

gambit beach

as sub

[red zinc]

gave bleed on crits for one of the effects

[hidden bay]

having the whisper weakaura thanking ppl for resets

actually goat trinket

[tender wedge]

Cache is the one from sepulchre that had a chance to give a bleed on crit during short windows

[hidden bay]

bring it back

[desert tendon]

end of thedungeon axe was 50% of my total dungeon damage

[red zinc]

calm down

[desert tendon]

as sub it was that way

[red zinc]

was a lot but not that much

[desert tendon]

on gambit dude

it was

[brisk canopy]

I remember some casters used cache for gambit murloc section

[desert tendon]

when u were pulling the whole beach in 4 pulls, with one being the malganis imposter shitty thing connexted

And you were timing it depending on gavel procs from the tank

damage or no damage

[craggy barn]

yall talking about r1 and im here struggling to purple parse early bosses

sadge

[desert tendon]

imagine not being r1

everyone here is a r1

[craggy barn]

i dont have to imagine

im not r1

[desert tendon]

work your r1 up zomb wtf

[craggy barn]

its joever

[formal axle]

Do i run 1 dagger or 2 one handed weapons as outlaw , like which one is best

[craggy barn]

i died on the stix reclear

sadge

that 91 parse was like a month ago

[desert tendon]

stix doesnt count anyway

so you good on him

[desert tendon]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[craggy barn]

im terrible

[desert tendon]

basically sim yourself, usually ilvl / special effect will win

[craggy barn]

i have 0 idea how to parse cauldron

[vivid vessel]

well its a patchwerk fight

[desert tendon]

good cleave i guess

[vivid vessel]

you just do st

nothign to it

[desert tendon]

and probably time to kill

like killing it during / right after a clash is probably the best

[formal axle]

thanks 🫡

[craggy barn]

our clears havent been clean as well

[red zinc]

Can do a lil bf action during intermission

Absurdly tiny gain though

[vivid vessel]

not much

[craggy barn]

im just gonna chalk it up to lag

[vivid vessel]

you do that

[red zinc]

wait 9?

[peak dock]

1 slow mh + cudgel for m+ and 1 slow mh + capo for raid and m+ bosses 🙂

[red zinc]

Substantial wtf

[craggy barn]

games feeling delayed a bit in raid

[red zinc]

Is that you doing the ranged hitting thing

Or can you actually cleave both

[vivid vessel]

you cant do that

its just when they are mid

[red zinc]

ye thats what i mean

But can u like melee one and still hit the other

or gotta range weave

[vivid vessel]

no lol

what

well when they are in the middle

they are close enough yes

or wdym

[red zinc]

thats what im asking

ty

[vivid vessel]

but its not hard

the bosses are right next together

[copper gorge]

do i sim dungeonslice or or patchwerk for m+?

[vivid vessel]

slice

[fossil lintel]

More cps increase the duration of ks, even past the cap of 7 right? Is it bad if I avoid rerolling if I'll KS as the next finisher and wait till after it?

[vivid vessel]

its fine

maybe not if you are going to see to build tho

cause then cto proc

etc

[fossil lintel]

Alright, thanks zac

I feel like the chance of getting a CTO doesn't outweigh the annoyance of more KS

[glass mortar]

wiped on 13 floodgate

got kspree bug during rppg

[frank finch]

whats ks bug

[fallen knot]

whats rppg

[glass mortar]

second boss where she shoots the rockets

[fallen knot]

aa

whats the bug

[glass mortar]

ks bug is the very last TP animation of kspree doesnt stagger

so if something hits u during it u just die

cant even cloak

cause ur still in the kspree "cast time"

[fallen knot]

i

used ks 2 times in 2 different rookery

[vivid vessel]

its fine

[fallen knot]

on first boss

one at 7cp

[vivid vessel]

ks rework

in 11.1.7

[fallen knot]

one at 1 cp

[glass mortar]

xdddd

[vivid vessel]

i seen it

[fallen knot]

both times i got stunned

explain

[glass mortar]

u cant use it during intermissiojn

at any cp

without cloak

[fallen knot]

ah

[glass mortar]

the beam hitboxes go all the way to his center

its a crappy boss

[fallen knot]

also the other fun thing

is

at last boss you tp right in the center

[glass mortar]

u send it as hes charging beams and as hes flying back ,and if that timing doesnt work out u try to save cloak to cast one during an intermission

[fallen knot]

and if someone drops a puddle

[fossil lintel]

It's already reworked on my screen

[glass mortar]

🙂

[fallen knot]

you just take damage

[glass mortar]

yup

🙂

for the rest of the pull

[fallen knot]

yep

[craggy barn]

just play center as ol

and pray ur healer doesnt insta dispell u

[vivid vessel]

the puddles do 0 damage

wtf do you care

[fallen knot]

it's the bigwigs spam

[fossil lintel]

The puddles on bird boss do 0?

[fallen knot]

on last

[fossil lintel]

Oh

[glass mortar]

no they dont do zero but

u wont die

u just need a bit of healing

[fossil lintel]

Right, bird boss has circles not puddles

[fallen knot]

zac wanna do monk key

i need 3 more on shaman

[vivid vessel]

its 1 am

im sleep now

work tomorrow

fuck work i hate working

[fallen knot]

i study all day tomorrow kill me

[vivid vessel]

i need to find a way to not work

[fallen knot]

to just then get a degree

[vivid vessel]

i cba

[fallen knot]

go work

[vivid vessel]

work is for noob fr

[fallen knot]

then die from nuclear war

smh

[mighty pivot]

just find a sugar daddy

[fallen knot]

nah i go work in a farm

new meta

pet animals

grow food

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel wanna key

or

triple outlaw

or

?

[vivid vessel]

work tomorrwo

me sleeping

[proven ocean]

zac[GOON]
— 2:44 AM
work tomorrwo
me sleeping

[fallen knot]

Zeross the Soup Seller — 00:44
zac[GOON]
— 2:44 AM
work tomorrwo
me sleeping

[vivid vessel]

zac[GOON]

[desert tendon]

Zeross the Soup Seller — 00:44
zac[GOON]
— 2:44 AM
work tomorrwo
me sleeping

[slate plaza]

do you do less dps to pvp or cleave training targetss

than regualar ones

[vivid vessel]

dont hit pvp dummies kekw

[fallen knot]

you do pvp damage

[vivid vessel]

there is so many pvp multipliers

[fallen knot]

pvp scaling is different from pve

[slate plaza]

yeah i fucked up

im learning lock, and i was like why the fuck am i doing 300k less than sim

[green dune]

Yooo - most bis guides say that circes circlet is bis no matter what, but i'm simming higher with 2x 6/6 hero track rings - trust the sim?

[slate plaza]

and then i realized

pvp dummy

[fallen knot]

yes

[slate plaza]

circlet is gonna be shit on tuesday

when crafted ring is better

[green dune]

oh true

[slate plaza]

cant wait to get rid of it lol

[slate plaza]

what about "cleave" dummies

[vivid vessel]

i mean if they are pve

its fine

[fallen knot]

those ar epve dummies

[covert kestrel]

always trust the sim, bis gear lists are useless but they have to put them in cause people cant think

[vivid vessel]

I don't sim anymore fuck this shit

Just equip vers items gg

[craggy barn]

never sim bis, cant even equip it. its two handed

[frail veldt]

nah

ks doesnt take puddle damage

from last boss

you can KS on cd in that one as long as you dont do it during when you need to explode the pillars

I think its cuz ks teleports so quickly the bad never has a chance to tick

[craggy barn]

just get to pillar, then ks

ez

back in time to pop pillar fr

[frail veldt]

well unless youd o it at the end of the debuff haha

thats all I mean

sometimes you gotta hold it a few seconds

[latent oak]

just stand in the middle and force the other dps to do the side ones and healer do the middle one ez

[sick mica]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[sick mica]

is pre key any different for KIR?

[craggy barn]

no

[red zinc]

What

Aint it already pretty poor

or is it still good in raid or smth

[empty elbow]

it says as you enter the dungeon, so before entering into the instance?

[covert kestrel]

no you enter in, but before the key is put in you RtB

[empty elbow]

ahh gotcha like pre-meta

[gaunt phoenix]

supercharger doesnt expire so you can RTB like anywhere

before in the open world

[covert kestrel]

yeah but theres no timer on it, since sc just stays active so you can do it anytime before the key, like i zone in and immediately press RtB since some pugs just send it v quickly and you wnat it to be up befoer the dung actually starts

[covert kestrel]

oh huh i thought it was only in the instance

the more you know

[gaunt phoenix]

only way the first 2 supercharges reset

[empty elbow]

!! where is this from

[gaunt phoenix]

spell data from the game files, compiled by SimC https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/thewarwithin/SpellDataDump/rogue.txt

[glass mortar]

jesus christ sub on last boss rook

[gaunt phoenix]

[glass mortar]

zeross did like 250m damage first vuln

30m sech techs

[pliant wind]

Candle king boss with KS

[late swallow]

crazy thing is

he's basically the doing the same damage he was doing week 1

insane how they let sub rot this entire tier

legit worst spec in raid rn

[craggy barn]

worse than aug pepw

[late swallow]

sad that the playstyle is so fun

[pliant wind]

I mained sub a lot of time, but didnt get love

[late swallow]

first tier that I enjoyed sub as much as I did

[vapid blaze]

@vivid vessel how do you display healing absorbs on your SUF profile?
is that a wa

[runic bough]

This was the last straw for me. I'm not using ks anymore when you can't use it on certain bosses.

You are insta stun if teleport touches a candle

And tanks don't move the boss away from candles.

Because mechanic revolves around the candles

[strong cargo]

Only use it right after candles break and you'll be fine

[runic bough]

Correct so you will be holding it more than half the time

Which means another spec is better

[strong cargo]

Ye that's not ideal but not the end of the world 😄

[runic bough]

It is the end of the world

Not being able to use your finisher

[pliant wind]

Its just sad

:(

[uneven egret]

Hello everyone, I have a question: Is Power Infusion good for outlaws, and when should it be used?

[past sphinx]

Are they really not going to do tuning for this week?

[pliant wind]

yep, is good

more haste always good

[royal hollow]

outlaw is the worst pi target

[pliant wind]

i love when they pi me, i can rotate at 0.5

[frail veldt]

No the worst pi target is the raid lead parsing grey every pull

[royal hollow]

i hope you are joking

[past sphinx]

I’d hate to be a spec that benefits the most off pi tbh

[frail veldt]

And yeah it's nice tbh

Easier to parse

Fuck parsing on a PI spec

[past sphinx]

Literally

Imagine being that spec that gets the most from PI and your priest uses it on outlaw

[royal hollow]

serious answer: no outlaw is not a good pi target

[pliant wind]

so what if i want to go 0% haste

?

[uneven egret]

ty Mr Cat

[past sphinx]

Why would you go for 0 haste

[pliant wind]

because i want all priests give me PI

:(

[cinder relic]

what do you feel needs tuning?

[gaunt phoenix]

i thought sub would get something last time

[cinder relic]

Ive been saying sub needs a buff since they buffed assa

[raven condor]

outlaw needs a 10% aura buff.

[cinder relic]

[raven condor]

we've had a taste of the bugfix now we wan buffs

[strong cargo]

We have really good damage, fix ks and we would be so good

[tight egret]

They just need to remove the teleport from KS. That's all I need.

[runic bough]

Bug fix doesn't count as a tuning though. It's a bug fix, the design still needs fixing.

[past sphinx]

Tanks

[runic bough]

Yes ks is still the main issue.

[past sphinx]

Tank meta is boring asf

[runic bough]

Also rng is an issue losing 1mil dmg based on no procs.

[raven condor]

It always seems to land on veng dh eventually

Bloated ass superman kit

"want a group silence? mass grip? huge dam? unkillable? vdh fam"

[past sphinx]

Idk I think meld skips have ruined meta too

Prot pal dead plus their survivability is ass

[raven condor]

I'm surprised they haven't jumped on this already with how often it's being used in mdi.

i feel like they reacted twice as quick so smeld shit in shadowlands

[dawn talon]

this isn't even like

top 3 most degenerate seasons of meld skips

[past sphinx]

They’d have to remove racials from m+

[dawn talon]

just leave it alone

[cinder relic]

What design needs fixing

[past sphinx]

Either your dwarf or night elf for keys

[frank finch]

u could maybe argue a small st only buff but ofc thats impossible on outlaw

[strong cargo]

Outlaw is the last dps that would want pi, it does less on us than on most tanks 😄

Btw guys is outlaw still very bad for augs ? Having no burst cd is still a problem right ?

[tender wedge]

Aug lost value for everyone so

[past sphinx]

I don’t even think aug will be meta anymore

[tender wedge]

Outlaw still bad but not by as much?

Scalecommander Aug barely even bothers timing breath of eons

[past sphinx]

Aug does more dmg now but they don’t buff tank as much as they use to

Still useless spec

[cinder relic]

Aug is less reliant on buffing targets than it was b4

[tender wedge]

There’s a 19 timed with an Aug as of this week

They’re playable but definitely not meta

You’re not taking an aug because of crazy synergy with classes they’re buffing anymore, they’re very much “just another dps” now

[past sphinx]

Yeah they way blizz are buffing them they are basically a dps

[frail veldt]

Outlaws def not bad

Not S tier but probably A tier when played well

In m+ to be specific

[latent oak]

triple outlaw 15 rookery up in eu lfg if anyone wants to bite

[keen belfry]

im in NA tho

[latent oak]

how long is the boat over to eu

group will still prolly be listed then

[rigid basin]

Tragic NA also

[sullen nimbus]

they should do something about meld i agree

but people pay money to swap race xdd

isnt meld a huge problem in pvp too

[latent oak]

listing on a sunday at 3am prolly isnt the play

[rigid basin]

Haha

[latent belfry]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9ztvrz6iHSd4mtcTVfL1Wn are gear grinder keys sim bait? i thought seaforium would be better

[latent oak]

its hard for a trinket like that to be sim bait

its just damage on use

[latent belfry]

figured, really wanted a passive trinket

[latent oak]

pretty decent

[glass mortar]

alright finally unlocked resilient 13s

took 3 tries at floodgate

[sudden quest]

kir or ho?

[glass mortar]

HO

if im gunna play kir in these keys i need to play 1 fth but i havent fixed my WA to work with it yet

zzzz

[wanton parcel]

Any in-depth M+ outlaw guides? My trash dps seems solid but Single Target is dog 1.2m ish. aoe i do about 5-10m. 670ilvl 13000 haste 15000 vers

[tender wedge]

This was said in context of being good with an aug, not in general

Ie outlaw never been a large benefactor of aug buffs, but buffs are weaker now so it doesn’t matter as much

[covert kestrel]

#outlaw-faq

[frail veldt]

Oh lol

[tender wedge]

To be fair there’s someone in here asking “outlaw good?” once every few hours so I understand the quick response lol

[olive plank]

is outlaw good?

[tender wedge]

Only with aug

[olive plank]

🤣

but shitposting aside, anotehr shitpost i play outlaw exclusively for floodgate

the grief potential is just too damn high

when you get the circle knockupp on demo duo you KS and it flies around and you dont get knocked up but people unlucky enough to be where u KS tele will

then on teh swampman boss you can leash someone into the oneshot frontal or the waves

its brilliant

and then theres plausible deniability coz you "have to" use KS

truly a grief of all time

[latent oak]

-- combine killing spree Details.OverridedSpellIds[57842] = 57841;

if u wanna combine both killing spree instances in details into 1 bar

[olive plank]

both KS instances?

[latent oak]

ya normally it shows offhand and mainhand damage as separate or something like that

[olive plank]

oooooh

[latent oak]

check ur details it will have 1 ks high up and 1 low down

[olive plank]

oh wow thats interesting

so KS hits with both weapons like mutilate does

[latent oak]

in logs they group them

[olive plank]

always thought KS was just mainhand dependent

fascinating

[latent oak]

paste it into here if u wanna use it

[eternal mortar]

Can i get out of Mug'Zee Cage with Hook?

[olive plank]

same response from other chat

[hasty warren]

What to remove to take shiv ?

[glass mortar]

w/e isnt used for pathing in that first section

2% leech in stealth talent if u took it

[hasty warren]

nope

I think it's master poison

or shadow runner

[gaunt phoenix]

dont need the middle one

[proven ocean]

only middle thing i need is ur heart solo

[gaunt phoenix]

[grim spear]

a very small window of time.

[hasty warren]

oh y u're right

ty solo

[clear fossil]

Eye sims crazy high for me on 6 targets, it seems like a sim trap, i thought it was best in long, ST fights? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ewkh17iWMnxyUpWyRfn8oM

[past sphinx]

why is my droptimizer dslice telling me certain trinkets are upgrades

but my topgear dslice says they aren't upgrades for the exact same trinkets

who do i believe

[merry relic]

Hey got a question. I was looking at the outlaw builds on icy veins and it says the the trickster hidden opportunity build is our best raid build but then says that Fatebound is out DPS'ing Trickster by a large margin. Did something go wrong with the guide or is it just purposefully contradicting itself? Do I go Fatebound or Trickster?

[cinder relic]

Likely just forgetting to update the text from pre season

[quasi verge]

lol i just read it and it said “trickster is not recommended in any form of content”

yeah reading it over, it’s gotta be outdated

[uncut ginkgo]

icyveins is horrible anyways

[gaunt phoenix]

it's a stat trinket so its not comparatively better in ST over aoe

it just needs time to stack up (you simmed at 6 minutes)

[clear fossil]

i should have simmed 130, what do you do for dungeon simulation?

[gaunt phoenix]

dungeonslice is generally used to help make gear decisions for keys

[clear fossil]

i thought it was unreliable?

not true for rogue?

[gaunt phoenix]

it is supported for rogue

[clear fossil]

gotcha so to be taken as accurate?

accurate enough to make gear decisions*

[gaunt phoenix]

it's to be taken as a model of a 2 minute boss + 4 minutes of various trash

its not exactly indicative of a details overall

outlaw's rotation in simc will play it exactly as you would

that said, the kezan trinket will most certainly lose because this trinket depends on your combat downtime

[gray scroll]

coming back to outlaw from dflight and im constantly energy starved is vigor grief now or can i take it for comfort

[gaunt phoenix]

vigor is used if you dont have tier, if you have tier and haste then you should use the standard supercharger build

[gray scroll]

ah ty makes sense

[warm remnant]

will the event weapon still outsim the new mythic capos?

[gaunt phoenix]

on packs yes

you should certainly swap weapons on bosses

[warm remnant]

yy i still do but its just a bit demoralizing

even tho the weapon is amazing i feel like its a bit wack to miss out on so much main stat and shit

[latent panther]

Does KIR builds play around the stacks of summarily dispatched before going into crackshot windows or is that damage bonus negligible?

[gaunt phoenix]

you dont play around it, it just happens

[warm remnant]

btw i just noticed u can legit vanish the candle lighting thing on second boss in dfc

not really sure how that works/interacts

lets just say i will never play a candle again

[merry relic]

sorry had to step away, so if icy veins is bad and outdated; then wowheads the play?

[gaunt phoenix]

use my #outlaw-faq

[merry relic]

🫡

[sturdy grove]

Anyone know the ICD of authority of storms?

[glass mortar]

no icd

its 6+haste rppm

[errant terrace]

Are outlaws getting a mid-expansion wowhead post?

[sturdy grove]

ty

I don't want to resub to raidbots smoge 😱

[modest citrus]

Can you still dodge RR amplifiers with evasion?

[hollow garnet]

Any particular reason why Skippers is used way more than Windsinger on Cyrce's despite Windsinger simming more?

[craggy barn]

phys god comp showed up in mdi yesterday and im STILL not getting into keys wtf

[craggy barn]

it can sim more or less depending on each persons gear setup

and some people are lazy

[gaunt phoenix]

ppl dont know its better

skipper was used last tier

[craggy barn]

people are lazy 🙂

[hollow garnet]

lame, i thought so

[polar kelp]

Competition is just pretty high, I've never had a big problem getting into keys but you def have to run your own a bunch too

[gaunt phoenix]

gotta do those 1am keys where they will take anyone

[polar kelp]

I timed a 15 brew today with no lust cause no good lust class was applying lol

The old 2800 player applying to 15s then going "game is shit I never get invited"

[tiny crystal]

You can buy undermine gear ? Is this new or not out yet ?

[fossil lintel]

I got absolutely fucked by rng on raid

Did 400k less on the kill than the two wipes before (both around kill time)

[silk stirrup]

So we playing KiR now?

[craggy barn]

theres no way to specify the specific weapon to equip if u have 2 of the same right

in amacro

[gaunt phoenix]

it's just a choice

[silk stirrup]

I normally prefer HO, I've seen a lot of outlaws at the top going KiR, but the #1 outlaw is HO so it gives me hope haha

I'm just around 3.3k, nothing fancy, but doing still good as HO.

[strong cargo]

I believe you can save 2 itemsets with only weapon changing, and use /equipset "name"

[craggy barn]

yes but i dont want that

[gaunt phoenix]

you can swap by bag slot

/equipslot 17 <bag #> <slot #>

will have to fuck with it

[vivid vessel]

You need to grapple before it lands @olive plank

[frank finch]

hook out with like half a second left of it dropping

[silk stirrup]

Can you swap weapons in M+ in combat?

I want to try the mace offhand but in most my runs tanks chain pull trash into bosses

[vivid vessel]

Yes

[silk stirrup]

Noice

I'll give it a go

[cursive cradle]

Hi guys I'm trying out outlaw (sub main here).
I have way to much mastery, but every time i asim my character to replace some of the myth gear i have with vers mas with crit vers/haste vers hero track it's a downgrade like a big?

How come a hero track with the right stats on for my gear be a down grade for a vers mas piece on mythic. is ther vers and agility just so good from the myth piece?

I just feel like i'm issing alot of haste?

[random stirrup]

ilvl is pretty much always better except on rings/neck, mainstat good

if you're playing HO you're not that far off haste cap and vers is good

[cursive cradle]

I even have crafted ring vers mas. where only óne ring is an uopgrade but only by 0.2%

Just funny to see my Main gauche being top dmg alot fo the time

Seems wrong

is HO the play after next reset btw, or is KIR going to take over ?

[random stirrup]

reset won't change much

HO slightly better st/low aoe, kir slightly better big aoe

play ho unless you like kir more

[cerulean wyvern]

hey guys, do you have any rogue outlaw streamer to suggest for high end content?

[craggy barn]

3.2k im gaming

[mossy dune]

what do we use dinars on if we haven't gotten mythic mugzee or gally done?

[silk stirrup]

Buy boost

https://tenor.com/view/modern-problems-solutions-dave-chapelle-gif-13450651

[mossy dune]

fuck

it just makes sense

[zenith sparrow]

Whats the latest bugs guys?

[cursive cradle]

Why does killing spree feel so awfull.

[random stirrup]

if you're actively progging mythic and just care about finishing tier asap: heroic capo/kezan/mythic pacemaker maybe mythic whistle/darkness thing
if you're actively progging mythic and just want to be bis: wait for mythic capo/kezan
if you are not going to kill mythic: probably mythic pacemaker/whistle/darkness, maybe heroic capo if you miss enough times

[mossy dune]

because blizzard wants you to reroll warrior

[random stirrup]

if you care about other specs m jastor/hoc are good

[mossy dune]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/sargeras/mangoofangle This is my current state

I got hero capo

but we only proging myth sproket

still need to get stix too

so decent way off of mugzee myth

[cursive cradle]

I am so confused about how to use killing spreee propperly on bosses with mechanics in dungs/raid. Do i just not slam it. either i die, or it f's something up

[mossy dune]

get a mechanic tracker and slam when you can

thats what I do

[random stirrup]

prob sim myth track dungeon trinkets and see if any are good

[mossy dune]

ty

[random stirrup]

or buy heroic kezan

[mossy dune]

fuck that

[random stirrup]

it is very good for prog

[mossy dune]

perchance

[placid oar]

Which stats would I be looking for on roulette wheel ring? High haste low vers?

[cerulean wyvern]

!stats

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[hardy relic]

is deft maneuvres worth taking over precise cuts with the HO trickster build in m+?

[red zinc]

Naw

[remote pecan]

no HO generates enough combo points with Ambush & it's priority that you will rarely even press deft

[serene cosmos]

You also can slam it with low cp if there's too much mech

Stil better than not use it

[glass silo]

Dies ambush or opportunity take prio fir ho?

[remote pecan]

ambush

[random stirrup]

man why is gearing alts such cbt this expac

i promise my 655 rat is more than enough for that 10

[remote pecan]

because you have to delve, you cant actually just do normal dungeons to get into HC / LFR

[random stirrup]

delve is capped on reasonable gear weekly

[azure vortex]

I'm doing very low overalls, I got 670 ilvl but have 20k mastery. Is this because i am bad player or is it gear issue? In example, i did ~2.5m on dfc +12.

[cloud thunder]

80 %

BATCHESTING

[red zinc]

92 yippee

[coarse yarrow]

Is it normal to have around 250 SS and 120 Ambush casts?

As HO ofc.

[rotund zodiac]

What’s your ADR uptime?

[azure vortex]

It's 62%, seems like i have issues with general cooldown usage

[dim widget]

62 way too low yes

[celest nova]

It seemed to me that a pirate needed 20k versatility, not mastery

[dim widget]

Also that yes, mastery is just a very bad stat because our mastery is poo water

[dim widget]

How are you using your vanishes and do you hit your 7/8 gcds inside subter?

[vivid vessel]

[shut lichen]

not sure i feel as much vitriol towards this as I'd have though

[vivid vessel]

i still have s1 ptsd where aug was +2 key level

and it buffing meta specs to be better, increasing the gap

cba

[hidden bay]

its hard to understand their goals

they delete aug

everyone happy

then they prop it back up

why?

nobody asked for it

[fluid meadow]

yeah but now they buff and streamers start to play and have big affect for avg players(nvm the keylvl but they started to play it and show on streams), so plss stoooop

[grim spear]

rank 63 seriously?

[lavish geyser]

Source?

[hidden bay]

anyone reasonable

[grim spear]

there are even fewer people playing outlaw this tier

[hidden bay]

ofc

ks

another thing nobody asked for

[grim spear]

ye

[hidden bay]

im one of those

stopped playing outlaw on reclears because of ks

[safe pasture]

Fuc raiding

M+ gang

[fluid meadow]

yeah like meixx said "ks is so funny to watch", go find her keys and press on cd to deplete

[vivid vessel]

5 outalw kills

Only 3 mfs playing outlaw gg

[grim spear]

g

[hidden bay]

maybe with +6 ilvls

i just play fatebound on farm

and have blue logs but have fun

[vivid vessel]

I heard Aug scaled good with Ilvl

I don't really understand why but

I don't need to understand

To hate

[hidden bay]

its good for sin

probably

altho idk how good sin will be spec doesnt scale

[grim spear]

cause aug can choose to buff specs that scale well

[hidden bay]

youd think it scales cuz all stats are good but then your gallywix ring upgrade is 35k and casters have double that

[vivid vessel]

Scaling is legit an issue ngl

I know we are getting nerfed week 1 next tier btw

[rotund zodiac]

Pink name Ryu isn’t real

[runic bough]

Hi flushies I had to do it

[grim spear]

easy to be a prophet

[vivid vessel]

It's easy to know cause

[runic bough]

#outlaw message

[vivid vessel]

It got nerfed this tier

[grim spear]

[vivid vessel]

Into buffed about 20% now ?

Like the bug fix was an easy 5/10% AOE gain idk

And we also got a 5%?

I don't remember

Aura buff

[grim spear]

sort of

[vivid vessel]

I kinda forgot now

But ye

[grim spear]

manual stat scaling

[vivid vessel]

its shit tho

cause i know we are getting nerfed week 1

into then never buffing cause they dont do m+ tuning

I think scaling is legit an issue and I'm tired of pretending it's not

Next time guy says that scaling is not a thing ping me so I can start a fight

[runic bough]

Guy is a blizzard employee most likely

he fights for them

[rotund zodiac]

[wicked acorn]

erm

gooner?

[jolly geyser]

the trinket

[quasi notch]

Can someone find a outlaw bug that makes me able to complete cinder +16

[fossil lintel]

There's a bug that actually prevents you from doing that. It's somewhere between the chair and the keyboard

[shut lichen]

bet?

[vivid vessel]

I'm willing to bet everything on it lol

Idk if you realize how much stronger is outlaw now that on release with the hotfixes

It's gonna decimate keys week 1

And get sent to oblivion

When rn it's just the spot it should be at always imo

It's snot meta but it's right there, feels fine to be outlaw

[pliant wind]

i want to have BL on rogue, like throwing drugs or something

(?)

pirate drugs

AR AR

[shut lichen]

tbf i'd assume any week 1 decimation will happen on the 11.3 ptr more than anything

[fallen knot]

what are we talking about

[fossil lintel]

11.3 is pretty far

[vestal notch]

will there be a .3 even

[vivid vessel]

.2 buddy

[fading hatch]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[shut lichen]

oh yeah

same shit innit

[hardy thicket]

Just same story on repeat tho

Outlaw performs well first week of fucking HC week and gets nerfed into just being below average til compensation nerfs hit later in the tier when its too late

[silk stirrup]

gotta learn the timings perfectly and squeeze them in whenever possible

[gaunt phoenix]

you can use it on low combo points

[silk stirrup]

Ye, somtimes I send at like 4 CP because I know I won't have time for a full cast

Squeeze in a quick one

In some fights you won't realistically be ever to do it (Like candle king if you get crappy candle positioning), but in most AoE packs or fights there's always good windows to squeeze in full ones.

[gaunt phoenix]

candle king you can low cp ks and pray

low as in 1-2cp

there are not many packs/bosses that truly restrict killing spree outside of M raid and serious pushing i think

[late swallow]

Or literally 0 compensation buffs the entire tier like sub this season (bottom spec in raid btw)

[gaunt phoenix]

like every boss in TOP has something you dont want to killing spree into but you can play around it

ofc it sucks that you have to think about this but w.e

[silk stirrup]

Yeah, you cnnot send on cooldown all the time but for the most part it's fine if you learn the dungeons properly

[verbal fjord]

I literally cant go higher with Kir than 86% ar uptime in keys idk it feels bad

It feels Like i have to get big luck to have good rolls so i can have a higher uptime

[latent belfry]

iii think a KS change is inevitable if more and more people complain about it

hopefully

[fossil lintel]

what's the fastest way to level an alt?

70-80

[hexed whale]

It would be ok If you dont have to Press it so often

[vague tundra]

which is more important: vanishing with few seconds of Adrenaline Rush left and AR still on cooldown or pressing Killing Spree? and does this change if AR is not on cooldown?

[vivid vessel]

150k a boost

Takes like 30 min

Probably even less now

[weary fog]

Prioritize vanishing if adrenalines gonna fall off and u can’t get it back in like, the next 1-2 finishers

[past sphinx]

zac workshop first pull what dps are you pulling with kir

[heavy shadow]

Independent view requested, Darkflame Cleft, last boss. What is our role? I guess DPS focus, run out with the purple bomb thing if we get it and as we do, normally I pick up a fuel after it hits. Other than that, assume have two range. They are meant to handle the fuel otherwise right?

[weary fog]

if u get purple circle, immediately killing spree to assert dominance

[patent mirage]

dont forget to yell when you use ks

so people know it

[heavy shadow]

The entire place is horrible for KS 😦

[muted zenith]

Hey just getting back into outlaw, I would like to ask for some opinions from players that have played a lot of it this season.
assuming my only focus is m+ exclusively.
I noticed there are 2 main builds, one with deft maneuvers+ghostly strike+keep it rolling, and anther one that doesnt use those and leans into Hidden Opportunity.

what do you guys think about each build?

[weary fog]

serious answer tho, if i see a ranged positioning to get a candle, i just stay on boss but prep my mouse over a candle to grapple quickly if needed in case theyre being a lazy bum

[serene cosmos]

OH > KiR for a few %

But everything is in faq

[past falcon]

this is what I do and in mid level keys i’ve always seen healer or ranged dps grab a candle during aoe phase, in my recent 16s ive seen multiple times where someone’s positioned to do it but doesn’t do it in time and we all get feared lmfao so now i’m anxious and take care of aoe phase too

[past falcon]

both are fun, HO is “easier” in the sense it’s less strict about combo points. KiR thematically is fun but takes some getting used to in keys. pretty straightforward in single target once you learn how KiR + RtB buffs work (like what stays when you hit RtB, what gets rolled away, etc)

[muted zenith]

Interesting, thank you for that!

[past falcon]

I’d say start with HO, get used to it, then dabble with KIR. zac has a good WA for the RtB buffs and highlights them differently based on the interaction with KIR! outlaw starts to feel really good once you get muscle memory. really fun spec, has a few problems, but if you can get over the initial hurdle i think the fun factor really kicks in

[weary fog]

also kir has a stricter haste requirement than HO does so if ur starting out, u might not have the gear for kir

[past falcon]

^^ also that

[muted zenith]

thank you! so if im just casually relearning the spec (last time I played it was like DF S4) it'll be easier to get into just in terms of gear (haste) or gameplay as well?

[glass mortar]

HO is easier gameplay as well

[muted zenith]

Is that the general consensus?

[serene cosmos]

Yup

You just react to proc

[glass mortar]

yes

[past falcon]

its pretty similar to dragonflight i think. i’m fuzzy between seasons and when changes took place but biggest changes is no more shadow dance and instead its two charges of vanish. they changed the “rules” of AR so now theres a certain haste requirement outlaw needs (before we only stacked vers/crit) so that we get the full effect of adrenaline rush. that caps out at a certain amount, along with talents we take. because of KIR talent tree we need to stack more haste on our own to make up for it compared to HOs talent tree

[weary fog]

also the loss of acro

[serene cosmos]

Rip

[muted zenith]

yeah that I already noticed Sadge

[weary fog]