outlaw

[vivid vessel]

ho is 2 % better

I playu kir because i prefer it

not because its better

[storm drum]

just means kir has more variance right? with buffs it seems

[vivid vessel]

prolly the opposite

[keen belfry]

i bet u rtb more as HO

does sim?

[vivid vessel]

ho prolly have more high roll potential on st ? idk

if you trhink about it

if you always 5 roll

waht does kir do

the button

nothing right

[keen belfry]

yes but also has lower potentital iaia agree

[vivid vessel]

bro why tf am i playing kir

2% behind

[keen belfry]

cuz gg?

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix am i dumb

[keen belfry]

hasnt it always been behind in sims this seaosn

[vivid vessel]

ye lol

[keen belfry]

should i try a HO key?

[vivid vessel]

i mean in keys its different

[keen belfry]

i remember like

month ago

[vivid vessel]

kir is better in keys for sure

[keen belfry]

HO wave came

HO felt so bad

[vivid vessel]

why am i winning logs with worse build

[keen belfry]

good procs lucky

[stray star]

And for the other 7 bosses (with cleave) kir wins ?

[vivid vessel]

i mean there is a difference between cleave and m+

[keen belfry]

who did this group invite

they clicked on me and said no

nvm cant dox

[vivid vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nts4GcidJQQVui4zmuFacw 2 targets ho still ahead

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s6JPx8JHH5QtbuRhg6K4oe 3 targets ho still ahead

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pEgkt5tDoPMrcNR234so1y 4 targets ho still ahead

[stray star]

Wtf

[vivid vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gtcDzZBR8fBhTpQ3cGN5qK dungeon slice ho still ahead

(this is raid builds)

but so you get an idea

of like

raid fights with adds idk

like stix maybe ?

when i tell you guys to just play ho

its not cause im arrogant

i mean i am

[storm drum]

ok ok

[vivid vessel]

but

unrelated

[storm drum]

Yeah

I get it lmao

just play HO

[vivid vessel]

unless you prefer kir of course

[storm drum]

until its boring and play KiR

[vivid vessel]

i will never tell you to not play kir if you prefer it

[keen belfry]

zac will i catch u on this spec be honest with me rn

[vivid vessel]

just that if you are looking for the better build

[storm drum]

well i mean sometimes with kiR the god procs happen and i be spiking up

[vivid vessel]

unless its m+

you just play ho

its easier

its better

[stray star]

But can i play ho with high ( 20%) haste?

[vivid vessel]

what more can you ask

[vivid vessel]

i mean this is my kir gear, so i have 20% haste

i just recrafted 2 items in that sim

but even just playing ho without recrafting was better so

[stray star]

So zac Go HO And do better logs pls

[vivid vessel]

nah

i dont like ho

[strong cargo]

Is my garanteed Unseen Blade WA not working sometimes or do we have a bug not giving a stack ?
I swear (no log) it happend 2 times today, I had 2 stacks and press ambush with 1 garanteed proc and it didn't go to 3 (but went to 0 on the unseen blade weakaura)

[vivid vessel]

one version was bugged at some point

update it

[frank finch]

ho gang

[craggy barn]

man i feel like i lag too much to play outlaw in raid

gdi

jeezus i drop to 30fps

[prisma heron]

Looking at wowhead m+ guide. Do I use the HO trickster or HO trickster Extra AoE? For m+

[cinder relic]

I'm gonna delete that tab actually

[long barn]

Is the FUU sheet uptodate?

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[red zinc]

Increase details interval if you havent

[craggy barn]

did that a long time ago

its not that

i just reduced my renderscale again and its slightly better

shrug

[hearty wasp]

If you use ElvUi turn it off. No joke the difference is insane lol

[craggy barn]

i dont

i got rid of that shit in df

[hearty wasp]

Good. Can't believe I was so headstrong about keeping it. Mugzee prog made it impossible to use

[proven ocean]

man

fuck this shit

im out

[past falcon]

nooo dont kill urself ur so sexy aha

[long barn]

Id love to build my UI just from simple WA HUDs and all that but I can’t find a way to like remove all blizzard crap but maybe the minimap

[stuck patrol]

Just out of curiosity, for heroic raid do you guys play HO trickster or KIR fb?

I know HOtrick pretty much benched for mythic, wondering if it's fine in heroic

[analog plank]

Im simming higher with 14% haste vs 20% haste for the HO build...what am i missing? I thought higher haste would sim higher

[gaunt phoenix]

heroic you can ks every boss

[gaunt phoenix]

are you using the m+ version without ghostly strike? that tends to like lower haste

[analog plank]

Ya using m+ without ghostly strike

so high haste not required for that build?

[gaunt phoenix]

no its not, i have 14% or so

but if i use ghostly strike in raid i will haste flask to 18%

[analog plank]

ahhh Gotcha! ty

[dense marsh]

To my understanding, haste is still great with HO.

Just trying to get better swing of the rotation, I think Im just using BtE too much instead of just keeping the buff and using dispatch

as in always using vanish for crackshot to spam BtE

[fathom bramble]

haste for ho ends up settling around 17-20% depending on the gear you own

with a ghostly strike build

[tight kernel]

What the tech with cinder and improved wound

Just for last 4 mobs?

[gaunt phoenix]

yep

have to cleave them below 52% or they will still overheal themselves

[stuck patrol]

Wait, HO likes haste that much in ST?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[stuck patrol]

No wonder my ST is trash wtf

[gaunt phoenix]

sim ya gear

[stuck patrol]

I've been holding off on simming my haste gear because I'm like "well, I'm already at 10% haste"

[fathom bramble]

it's actually really nice since unlike kir it's not at the haste cap and instead goes past it

so you don't have this hard line where haste suddenly loses over half of the value

[round spindle]

Did the bf bugs get fixed?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[copper radish]

outlaw in keys feels so wicked right now

this new OH mace is hella nice for how easy it is to get

[round spindle]

How is it feeling in Raid?

[copper radish]

pretty goood on the first few bosses i did

[round spindle]

So HO is the default choice for all content now?

[storm drum]

Kir in m+ does more dmg

but ho is a bit slower i think or maybe i havnt ran kir enough

but ho in raid is what i was told

[cinder relic]

kir is a build for tryhards who think they are better than ppl

[storm drum]

I just ran kir in a m+ i did more dmg than HO but it was cinder with big big pulls

[hazy cairn]

Let's goo
Outlaw representation in mdi

[storm drum]

HO is the way to go i reckon

you will gap most classes in m+ overall as outlaw as HO and KiR if you have thumbs

[copper radish]

havent had any1 get more overall dmg than me as trickster HO in keys all day lol

rocking 20% haste feels amazing

[storm drum]

Same ive ran 60 m+ this week nothing higher than a 12 though

[copper radish]

8-9s all day for me and prob around 4-5m avg dps

most other dps are like 2-3mil lol

[storm drum]

I think maybe i need to start getting crit i have like 22% haste and 29% vers lolas HO

[copper radish]

yeah im about that with around 17-18% crit

[storm drum]

eh i did my first normal raid as outlaw and parsed an average of like 92% fuck fatebound shit is week trickster every fight except sprocket

See how the heroic and mythic raids treat me next week but its some bosses where assa just fuckin pumps and m akes me want to go back assa lol

look at that quake dmg lmao

[copper radish]

ive played trickster for every key and raid since season 1 never playing fate for pve lol

[storm drum]

Season one i was a big dick swinging enhance shaman lol

I wanted to play rouge was playing rouge in end of DF raid asked me to swap now i got asked to go back rouge XD all is well

fuckin raid lead after raid goes i guess you arent a shit outlaw rouge you can play whatever spec you want hahaha

[copper radish]

cop that mace from the event it does like 4-5% overall in keys for me

[storm drum]

bro

do you not see the quake dmg

[copper radish]

takes like 30 min to get

[storm drum]

hello?

[copper radish]

oh nvm im blind

[storm drum]

its called a weapon swap macro lmao

capos will do like 2% overall and i only use it on bosses lmao

but thats typically in a 11=12 key

[random stirrup]

• hasn't played outlaw since df

[storm drum]

I havent played outlaw since DF or roug for that matter and it feels fuckin nice not as good as DF but its good

i feel liek we got way more BTE proc in DF and if you didnt proc you didnt do dmg

[random stirrup]

if anything bte should proc more now with supercharger

[storm drum]

nah it doesnt

In DF i would get like 9 shots in a row on rng

[gaunt phoenix]

ace is the same as df

[storm drum]

on average it was like 3-4 that shit rarely even happens anymore they swapped the dmg sources around

[random stirrup]

mathematically you should proc ace more in tww than df

[storm drum]

mathematically sure thematically hoever i dont think its happening

or maybe it felt more the ace procs becasue thats all we had

oh well either way im going back HO lmao

until i get into like 13 and 14 keys and go for that 3k just to see if the dmg diff really matters

[random stirrup]

I think I like trickster's gameplay loop more than df outlaw but im not sure

if ks didn't kill you it would be sick

[storm drum]

I like KS

but yes

Also i think ks on gally trolls the fuckin bomb drops lol making ppl have to run more XD

i def used ks and got targeted by mugzee add circle and the whole raid was freaking out lmao

and also im not swapping off trickster on any boss in this fuckin raid until i get to mythic sprocket heroic sprocket is a trickster send idc what anyone says lmao

fatebound is actual doo doo big cow patty pie

[runic bough]

when i quit the first raid gives me

but now im going sin

[pale snow]

Is it recc to have Gally's Iron Thumb in mainhand ilvl 665, even though I have crafted 675 weapon?

[gaunt phoenix]

no 675 is better

[pale snow]

Copy that. Thank you

[runic bough]

i made this build for raiding

fatebound

looking good

[gaunt phoenix]

main hand item level usually trumps everything

[lusty sparrow]

bandits dead had to play assassin

[verbal leaf]

Does anyone have a WA pack for outlaw, coming back for the first time since S3 DF

[hot olive]

!wa

[jolly geyser]

Moroes be dead

[livid parrot]

!WA

!wa

[runic bough]

i think

that hybrid single target / aoe build i made above can do raid really well

that was nice

while i learn sin I can play that for main raid stuff

eventually do sin for keys

but

I need to test it on keys too hmm

[glass silo]

I've never played nelf rogue but does nelf give a third vanish essentialy? Like u meld and get subterfuge window?

[latent belfry]

how are you liking sin? ive been thinking about switching for keys too......

[random stirrup]

sort of, doesn't work on raid/dungeon bosses and is relatively inconsistent on dungeon trash

[storm drum]

more for the defensive utility to skip mechanincs

[runic bough]

im going to start learning sin tonight, havnt sim my gear yet.

Molten knuckles vs Cudgel for keys which one wins hmmm

[storm drum]

what for sin? neither

you trolling?

[runic bough]

this is outlaw channel bro

I just got molten knuckles

need to see if its worth staying outlaw

[storm drum]

lol ok ok

[runic bough]

does molten knuckle multiply if we change targets once its applied?

if we were to apply molten knuckle on each target

they would all aoe damage

potential mega dmg

unless blizzard saw this and it only applies to one target at a time

guesstimating on how often it procs is another issue since tww things have a 00000001% proc chance.

guess its worth seeing if molten knuckle also suffers from this low proc chance

[shut lichen]

it's like 2 procs per minute

so this cook is burnt already by inate design

[runic bough]

yeah

14 procs in

2 mins 30 seconds

its actually not bad

if it could get on each mob during aoe

ill try in a key after

im doing normal damage now

fate is back omg

I was ready to go sin too

well still going sin for keys

this build seems to have beought up my boss dmg single target while still having the cleave yum yum

[novel socket]

hey ryu

you back to outlaw already

[runic bough]

well i was about to go sin and i got molten knuckles

[novel socket]

a sign from the gods

you and outlaw are connected by fate

clearly

[runic bough]

[novel socket]

[runic bough]

molten knuckles is as good as the cudgel

and

it ticks aoe

so better than a 1 time proc

[novel socket]

yeah

they are very good

even on hero tier they sim higher than myth weapons for me

[runic bough]

looks like the ticks are seperate damage source

molten knuckle proc + tick molten gold

3 procs = 17 ticks there

[runic bough]

ok well im sin now

see ya

[cloud thunder]

how long should i be waiting for a cto proc before kir

feel like the less time i spend fishing for cto proc

more cdr i can get on kir to possibly kir on same buffs again

[red zinc]

Depends on the scenario

only time you should really be “waiting” is if you get a natty 5 roll

[cloud thunder]

yeah that’s what i’m talking about

like if i know it’s gonna be big pulls for thr next 90s

i feel more inclined to kir earlier so i can kir on same buffs

if i’m missing ruthless thrn im obv gonna fish more

but idk what’s a good feelscraft cut off

[red zinc]

Pretty sure its just a matter of wait until you either get the buff or they’re sub 10s

Thats the way the faq reads and ive heard it talked about anyway

feels a bit off though id just interpret it how you want yourself, doubt the damage impact is all that

[ebon reef]

having mythic rik daggers and fist weapons really is a blessing

[cedar kernel]

have a nice day brothers

[hollow temple]

You too bac

[cedar kernel]

[rotund zodiac]

hi chat

[jolly geyser]

[vivid vessel]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[daring oxide]

[daring oxide]

Not updated for turbo boost

[vivid vessel]

ok bozo ty

[runic bough]

guys im done recrafting

ill be in the sin channel now

[jovial socket]

🤡

[shut lichen]

bye

[runic bough]

take care guys

[jovial socket]

🫵

[runic bough]

ill be back when they do something about killingspree

[tranquil hemlock]

based tbh

[empty elbow]

If you don't love Outlaw during it's killing spree then you don't deserve her

[jovial socket]

[runic bough]

killingspree is not outlaw

[shut lichen]

always has been

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-meme-astronaut-gif-23926290

[runic bough]

always has been unused until forced

[tranquil hemlock]

if you dont enjoy game dont play game

[runic bough]

[tranquil hemlock]

toxic relationship in a videogame is crazy

[shut lichen]

40% of outlaw chatting is gone now that Ryu left

[hollow temple]

not quite !

[shut lichen]

i remember using the old spree on Terros

think i pressed it like 12 times that fight

[tranquil hemlock]

oh god the color swap live

[runic bough]

it is done

[tranquil hemlock]

farewell

[runic bough]

yeah

ill still come say hi

hows my new name guys

[shut lichen]

it's one of the names that have ever been named

[hollow temple]

plz no

[median owl]

im haivng problems going above 72% AR in dungeon playing KiR, is there any tool i can use to inspect where I am doing bad in my rotation?

[shut lichen]

u can drop a log of ur run for a review i guess

otherwise just must sure your following the rotation especially with KiR

[arctic hollow]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[haughty wigeon]

[tropic zephyr]

the best you can do to inspect it yourself is record yourself in a dungeon or on dummies

then compare each gcd towards the priority list in #outlaw-faq

doing it this way you will understand the rotation a lot better and you will catch mistakes on the fly

[fossil lintel]

Ryu has betrayed us?

I saw he was playing a DH as well, full on betrayer mode

[wintry solar]

Oh wow what a coincidence

[wary wind]

I don’t even die to ks anymore just get good tbh

[mighty pivot]

sin channel about to get a stream of spec change ideas

[runic bough]

[wary wind]

Sin channel: “u guys tried the no bleed no poison build? Its awesome i swear”

[runic bough]

guys lets all calm down we dont have ideas yet

[mighty pivot]

the chef needs time to cook

[runic bough]

are u trying sin too

[daring oxide]

Sayonara

[fossil lintel]

How much are you guys pulling on ST in dungeons?

For bosses

I feel like I'm always last on pure ST

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[runic bough]

I better get good fast

I had raid on wednesday

[wintry solar]

Only until outlaw gets real actual changes

[runic bough]

same

[wintry solar]

More than KS fix

[runic bough]

i just recrafted and everything tonight

[wintry solar]

This may be me for a couple years

[runic bough]

make mouseover macros for ur bleeds

i still need to test it but this worked on demonhunter

#showtooltip
/cast [mod:alt,@mouseover,harm,nodead][]

[fossil lintel]

Guys if you want to discuss ass go to the ass channel

[runic bough]

my bad

Marvin hopefully killingspree doesnt kill you on the inside like it did to us

Good luck

[fossil lintel]

I'm learning to use it

[jolly geyser]

this isnt sin channel

[fossil lintel]

Today I learned bonk is a thing

Those damn kobolds kept sniping me out of ks

[wary wind]

Depends on rolls but I would say anywhere from 1.5m-1.8m, I have been playing no GS HO tho

[wintry solar]

Make me

[fossil lintel]

I'm doing kir no GS and getting like 1.3, but only 663 Ilvl still. The biggest problem is when the boss has a ton of mechanics and makes me lose AR early

[wary wind]

Yeah outlaw do be like that only advice I can give is if you can cheese mechanics with cloak or evasion to do that for maximum uptime, also greed as much as you can. It’s a balance of being as greedy as you can get without dying

[fossil lintel]

Is hero capo better than a crafted offhand?

[empty elbow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YQBrmt3cx6Vf2vHb?fight=3&type=summary

on GigaZap Last boss of Floodgate I was pulling about 232k dps

Swampface about 204k Dps

But this was during lust + combat pot + skyfury shaman buff + Druid Vers buff

Then on ML 3rd boss, https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xJvTaLFHdD6WGgYZ?fight=3&type=damage-done&target=223

about 190k

[empty elbow]

it sims better for dungeon slice, but for me its only like a 4k difference, you' dhave to sim your stats etc, you can do that with Topgear adding both weapons

[fossil lintel]

I am very scared of using KS on swampface in pugs

[empty elbow]

If you let them know ahead of time if they scooch in a couple steps on the boss they'll be fine

Like just inside the red circle of the boss keeps my boomkin homie from getting pulled around

[fossil lintel]

I'm on the 10-12 range people don't listen

[empty elbow]

Hmm then you can either full send or small combo points

Like just a quick 2 combo points one to get the unseen blades

[fossil lintel]

Got it, thanks!

[vague cape]

just rip it

best way to learn ks is to send as on cd as possible until you identify something that you 100% can't ks

e.g. first boss rookery intermission

[fossil lintel]

Problem of swampface is you kill other people

[vague cape]

I've never killed anyone

[fossil lintel]

I've had a person yell at me

That they were getting yanked around

[empty elbow]

There's the pocket right after the waves pass where you can send it no worries without being linked to anyone

[vague cape]

take that same person back to floodgate and use ks when targeted by the pushback frontal

on first boss

[empty elbow]

I recommend getting some dungeon ability timers so you know when the scripted moves are

[vague cape]

🙂

[fossil lintel]

You're evil

It was a pug though

[vague cape]

I laugh so hard when I manage to murder people, it's too funny

how else am I going to be entertained in weeklies

one pack in floodgate that's excellent to do this is the mobs that put down bombs

if your ks hits it there's a short range aoe, managed to kill two people in one explosion

[fossil lintel]

Makes sense the assassination colours, you just decided to use other tools

[arctic hollow]

My fav is Sprocker polarity Killing Spree

Always a banger

Can only do it once per raid day otherwise they'll get angry

[vague cape]

funniest one would have to be mugzee frontal that breaks add shields

not gotten to try ol on that fight but I can imagine it's cinema

[last notch]

Hello boys! did they nerf [Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel]?

[fossil lintel]

like today?

Probably not, what are you seeing?

[last notch]

it doesnt proc for me as often, but maybe its just me problem

[fossil lintel]

it should proc once per vanish you do on a pack

well, once per mob per vanish

[quasi notch]

It only procs once on bosses so switch to your higher ilvl when boss fighting

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel prepare your outlaw gear

we are going back

TRIPLE OUTLAW META

I wanna do triple outlaw keys

[leaden folio]

stop ping zac

he is losing versus retpal

[proven ocean]

why did u tell me

moment i open i see him dead

is that common for outlaw to die every sec or is it a zac thing

[leaden folio]

every time you press KS

you roll dice 100

lower than 10 you dead

1 you pull another pack and key is deplete

[copper radish]

KS always such a gamble. i hit one yesterday before some AOE shit went off on me and the instant i hit KS the healer died LMAOO

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/big-trouble-if-i-speak-if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-speak-big-gif-23519858

[desert tendon]

zac is really bad zero

worst outlaw i ve ever seen

[vivid vessel]

my tank ded

[desert tendon]

no cap no cap fr fr fr fax fax

[vivid vessel]

what do

[vestal notch]

evasion duh

[proven ocean]

why is everyone in queue 3.5k

like

i legit cannot pug my key or

[vivid vessel]

no you cannot

[shut lichen]

i see this is how the top 0.1% see the top 1%

[vestal notch]

no its how the top 20 see the top 0.1%

[copper radish]

how is it so hard to find a good LFG 8-9 key... first two 9s today... tank does big pull and dies and leaves wtf lol

[crimson coral]

When running my log through wow analyzer there is a section: „Wasted generator Energy“

What does that mean? When is energy of a builder considered „wasted“? when I overcap CBs/should have pressed a finisher?

[proven ocean]

bro top 0.1% is 3.4k

they only reached 3502 today

💀

[shut lichen]

sorry i misgendered you

[proven ocean]

[desert tendon]

zero is top nothing

top of deez nuts

[rocky summit]

Hey guys, haven't found an answer in faq section - when I am using between the eyes with blade flurry on - the aoe radius is centered on me or on my target?

[crude anchor]

Blade flurry works in an AoE around you

[rocky summit]

Got it, thanks

[crude anchor]

In the outlaw faq in questions if you want to verify

[proven ocean]

yes it works around you

not on ur target

[rocky summit]

Oh, how wonderful it wouldve been to be able to read properly...

Thanks again

[proven ocean]

np cuh

[proven ocean]

idk i dont think its even there

because theres no point for it to be in a guide

if it is thats great i guess

[crude anchor]

I mean its there if you want to go check

[proven ocean]

[crude anchor]

#1276311464956788736 message

[rocky summit]

Its there and I was blind initially

Yeah

[proven ocean]

@late swallow

this needs to be pinned

[vivid vessel]

did you see zeross

how i depleted

[proven ocean]

no

dont wanna see

cuz

[vivid vessel]

i body pulled the whole map with ks

[proven ocean]

i wont need to learn about it anyway

[proven ocean]

told u its a clown spec

doesnt even do more dmg

does way less for timer too

sin has the best dmg profile in the game atm

sin and demo are both crazy

sin abit better in most keys tho

if not all

sin is probably abit weak in ToP but

it does well

[proven ocean]

nvm im wrong

ye im wrong by a long shot

lmao

literally all of them are being milked with PI

and i dont even log my keys so half of them dont go in

[vestal notch]

15 pi dk

jesus christ

[silver mica]

it's a dungeon tho

[vestal notch]

ye ik

[silver mica]

whats the timer for top again

[shut lichen]

bro the only ethical dpser

[silver mica]

34 min?

[vestal notch]

33

[silver mica]

15 PIs

still couldn't time it

LMAO RIP BOZO

[vestal notch]

wait

i think its 34 yeah

[proven ocean]

Yea should be 34

[rotund zodiac]

hi chat

do you guys run PC in brew?

[late swallow]

***Yo guys its time. I'm fed up no cap fr fr fr fr fr fr fr and fr no cap. I will not hold killingspree one more time. I will not get stunned from killingspree one more time. I will not die from killingspree one more time. It is officially reroll to sin time for me. The pain is too much. The trolling spree has consumed my hatred. I cannot move on anymore. The pain too deep. I need to ease my suffering. I will now be learning sin. It is done.

-Ryukage
Sexually Assaulted by Killingspree. Transferring to safe house, SA victims protection unit.

This will be my recovery period.***

replace ryukage with zac

(possibly his best pasta to date)

[fossil lintel]

What trinkets should I be looking for m+

[fallen knot]

look up outlaw-faq gear

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1276310705905336442

[gaunt phoenix]

gear/magnet/pacemaker/whistle/hoc...

most trinkets are close

and contribute 1.6% of your overall

[bright crane]

Whysper is gonna get fed up with him so quick

[late swallow]

I’m pumped for the ryu sin arc

Ross and Ryu will lead sin into the future

[bright crane]

me too

i cant wait for the non-stop complaining in here to pause for a bit

[rotund zodiac]

wait, Ryu is now sin?

[vivid vessel]

yes we are free\

[fluid meadow]

let him cook there

[late swallow]

We lost one of the realest

[shut lichen]

it's a temporary respite

KS giveth and KS taketh away

[copper radish]

KS too fun not to press it when it’s off cooldown

Tethered to another player on a high key? Fk it send it

[bright crane]

just send it on 1cp

[tight kernel]

@proven ocean how ez is sin rotation

[copper radish]

Full CP or nothing lol

[bright crane]

kinda a dumb angle but alright

[slate plaza]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[hollow garnet]

Can't seem to find it on the FAQ, is outlaw's offpiece the chest?

[rigid basin]

Yeah

Priory chest

Is really good if you can get it

[polar kelp]

hot take...HO with GS and no PC for high keys. feels the best by far imo

[rigid basin]

That build felt good, but I've been thoroughly enjoying the 1fth KiR build especially for Workshop and Priory giga value on PC for those first bosses

[fallen knot]

met a blaster rogue in my priory11

gapped me and i was on dk

crazy man playing 1fth

[rigid basin]

It's great man I'm telling ya

[polar kelp]

Only things I don't like about kir is feint can energy starve you if you're not careful and 1 death = cya later

Also a few bosses with pauses just work better as HO

[delicate seal]

just dont feint

[rigid basin]

Yeah that's an absolutely fair point, I've just preferred having more rtb buff consistency and PC. Rolling 1 buff 5 times in a row felt like it was happening too much kekw

[gaunt phoenix]

Chests or shoulders are about the same

[fallen knot]

WOX TANKING OP

PGC GIGA

[rigid basin]

Yeah what a twist, lmaooo

[vivid vessel]

[fallen knot]

OMEGA

[vivid vessel]

these rules

for mdi

are so bad

litteraly killed half the teams for no reason

the good teams dont care anyway

its exactly how i said at first when they announced it

[vestal notch]

without them there would be 0 spec diversity

[vivid vessel]

there isnt spec diversity anyway lol ?

just that half the team get eliminated for free

they chose to play meta day one, then lose for free day 2

whats the point

every group was like that

and teams like wox also get punished

so what does it even do for spec diversity

[vestal notch]

ye it punishes teams that are already doing off meta

thats the only thing i dont like

[vivid vessel]

there is 2/3 teams on mdis that arent playing meta on live

and they get more punished

than the teams that do

its just stupid eh

the teams that play the game are using the off meta specs for low keys anyway so like

wtf does that do

[vestal notch]

engage i guess, i have seen low keys this mdi just bc of the off meta runs

was fun

[woeful jackal]

So Outlaw is the definition of consistency huh. Brand new to the spec and honestly I am having a lot of fun with the fast paced gameplay, but it looks like its not bursty lol. Not that I mind of course

[cinder relic]

It has 0 burst and hasn't had burst for over a decade

It's a spec defined by being a marathon not a sprint

[fossil lintel]

Oh, is day 2 happening already? What comp are they playing? Can't watch right now

[vivid vessel]

they are trolling

becasue they lost anyway they cant even play their comp

so wox is tanking

as vdh

[fallen knot]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[fallen knot]

zac do i farm 6s for runed or fuck that

on rogue

[fossil lintel]

I guess they would've needed to practice the other meta comp to get through today

Kind of dumb yeah

[fallen knot]

i mean they should be able to play their comp

like

they're the only ones playing that specific comp

[vivid vessel]

it just punishes players that are one tricks/play off meta

[fallen knot]

every other team is playing uhdk arcane vdh disc boomie

[vivid vessel]

while team like echo and shit

dont care anyway

[silent marsh]

kinda funny it punishes off meta players xd

[random stirrup]

I don’t get why they banned the most played comps for each team

[fossil lintel]

It punishes teams that can't play as a job to practice multiple comps, yeah

[random stirrup]

It should ban the 5 most played specs among all teams

[fallen knot]

yea

[random stirrup]

If anything

[vivid vessel]

they should ban the meta comp from live or smth

[silent marsh]

but also they could have played something else first day and play their comp today

[fallen knot]

exactly

[silent marsh]

for sure

[vivid vessel]

if they wanted to do something like that

[vivid vessel]

and they would have lost then

[silent marsh]

they still good players are u sure

[vivid vessel]

of course im sure

[fallen knot]

was very close yesterday

they managed because they played on mains

[silent marsh]

they could actually have played meta yesterday and play their today

with some weeks on tr

would be for sure doable

[vivid vessel]

they would have lost

[fossil lintel]

Question is do their players have any experience playing meta comp?

[vivid vessel]

no

[glass mortar]

@vivid vessel aug is still banned

from my keys

this shit is so ass

[vivid vessel]

they are all one tricks

[glass mortar]

70% buff uptime

[fallen knot]

95.8% AR uptime smh

not even 100%

[glass mortar]

we had a full wipe

still timed it

[silent marsh]

[glass mortar]

was a 13 priory

[vivid vessel]

still havetn done a key with an aug

dont plan to

[glass mortar]

it was awful

felt like we got no power amp

[fossil lintel]

But trolling today is how they make their stand, make the event worse

[fallen knot]

do i farm runed

or no

[vivid vessel]

blizzard made the event worse themseleves

[fallen knot]

i'm 653

[vivid vessel]

they litteraly inted

[fallen knot]

zac

[gaunt phoenix]

bro just do keys

bothering zac about 653 gear

[vivid vessel]

im

[fallen knot]

i have a shit top

[vivid vessel]

i think

[silent marsh]

make it like league where u pick and ban specs for a day

kekw

even more int

[copper radish]

Looks about a normal keys damage without an Aug 😂

[vivid vessel]

you need to farm valor on 15 alts @fallen knot

[glass mortar]

yep

[vivid vessel]

to send it on main

[fallen knot]

solo look the kind of shit queues to my key

[silent marsh]

farming main on wednesday will be fast, with discount gilded on it

10 per upgrade

[glass mortar]

LUL

[fallen knot]

no

[fossil lintel]

Just give each team 1 ban for the day yeah

[vivid vessel]

I legit cant believe valorstone isnt removed yet

so shit

[fossil lintel]

Valorstone suck yeah

[vivid vessel]

you will have to spend valor stone day 1 then farm them again

cba

man

cba

[glass mortar]

isnt it warbound or some shit next patch at least

finally

shoulda been warbound for

ages

[vivid vessel]

ye

which is useless

anyway

[silent marsh]

i have like 14k valorstones across alts
and list of characters that have spare gilded and 678 pieces to insta upgrade 684 so my main chars get discount

on those slots

[vivid vessel]

warbound with 25% penality

[glass mortar]

not rlly i have like 5 toons with cap

[fallen knot]

no like i have 3 alts

or rather

[glass mortar]

to funnel to main

[fallen knot]

1 main 2 alts

[glass mortar]

😏

[fallen knot]

i will get 675 on main

then send gilded on rogue

but like i cant get 660 cause i have no runed and i cant get into 10s cause i have no gear that drops from 10s

[craggy barn]

rip rogue in mdi

[fluid meadow]

they should put valorstone into vendor when capped buy item to store it, or just make it uncapped, but do u know what is capped too? wee

but in this season at least i don't had valorstone issue meanwhile dfc ring was 30 dungeon to drop, and still has 750 stored with quest shits

[fallen knot]

well my gearing experience on dk was super fine

i got invited to 10s as fucking 645

but now on rogue it's painful and i blame mdi for not letting wox show the outlaw power to the world

[midnight granite]

Outlaw power lmao

Thats why he's playing sin amiright

[fallen knot]

outlaw so powerful it got banned day1

[craggy barn]

hes a vdh rn not even a rogue

[rose granite]

you can weapon swap in keys mid ks, but can u weapon swap in raid as well?

[glass mortar]

yes

but vanish doesnt reset the weapon proc on raid bosses

so its not really relevant

[rose granite]

i just meant in general for future reference to how it works

but ty

[novel socket]

you can weapon swap in combat but it costs a gcd

outside combat no gcd cost

[glass mortar]

sometimes there are cantrip weapons u cannot as well

they did that in df

[rose granite]

yea but i have spare time flying through the air during KS

so i just do it then

[glass mortar]

but for most weapons u can

[novel socket]

but you cant do anything during ks

[rose granite]

except i can?

[novel socket]

or weapon swap works ?

[rose granite]

yup

[novel socket]

hmm

[hollow temple]

That probably still resets auto attack ICDs so not sure if it’s detrimental or not tbh

[obtuse hollow]

Is it worth sending a 1cp KS if i know it'll be unsafe to KS in the next 10 sec or so

I assume a large portion of the value of KS comes from the talents so it isn't that bad to just send at 1cp? In comparison to not using at all

[stiff glade]

It's better to send a low CP KS, yes

[gaunt phoenix]

ya you can

[lucid vale]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gaunt phoenix]

it something like a 4% loss to continously low cp KS

so if you just do it sometimes then it's less than that

[hollow garnet]

On the topic of KS, what makes it sometimes be longer or shorter seemingly at random? Does haste make it hit quicker and thus end faster?

[gaunt phoenix]

the hits are hasted yea

[obtuse hollow]

Thanks

[stiff glade]

Also supercharger makes it hit more times

[gaunt phoenix]

true

[hollow garnet]

Oh yeah, might be both then

[gaunt phoenix]

you can also lag your way into getting more hits

however rare that may be

[latent oak]

its not more hits right?

its just more time per jump i thought

[gaunt phoenix]

it is

[latent oak]

oh wow

[gaunt phoenix]

FTH can also lag into more shots

[rigid basin]

My healer was asking if there is a wa to see how much KS is ticking me for on their end (not just usual "Killing Spree is ticking for ..." In say)

[obtuse hollow]

Tbf KS should at least give cc immunity and make the stagger linger for a second or two

[rigid basin]

If only x.x

[fallen knot]

ks on kelp boss on floodgate is so fun

i shoved around the tank at one point

[rose granite]

ill live with taking a hit to an autoattack for the cost of swapping in ks.

[hollow temple]

it would also be for any procs tied to auto attacks though right, thats the issue

[hidden bay]

do we get to buy shit with dinars next week or we have to wait 3 more weeks from next week to unlock it?

[gaunt phoenix]

you get one

[hollow temple]

iirc we get enough to buy something first week then its timegated after

[craggy barn]

solo is there a way to sim everyone having jastors

or does that not matter

[hidden bay]

nice got the first gally thumb

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think so

[craggy barn]

wondering if i should have my raid all get jastors next week for myth prog

i imagine its fine for at most everyone to have it equipped

tho were all getting huge ilvl boosts anyways

[vapid sundial]

If ur not HOF progging you should not force you raid to get specific items

[craggy barn]

its not like we all dont have anything ELSE to get

lol

[rigid basin]

What if they wanna buy the funny honey buzzer to go zoomin

[craggy barn]

i mean ill tell them the reasons not to and if theyre adamant then i wont stop them from being a dumbass

[rigid basin]

LMAO

[craggy barn]

let them suffer

dead next week for sure

first weekend of prog

[proven ocean]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/trading-post-rewards-datamined-for-summer-2025-banshee-and-chess-transmog-376772

yooooooo

[rigid basin]

Dude I'm doing log reviews cuz we 200 pulls on this guy

[proven ocean]

those

look

insane

the chess mogs

omgogmogmgo

[craggy barn]

ross

hows the soup today

why are warglaives there

FORSAKEN shit but warglaives???

dhs shouldnt get anything

[rigid basin]

You know for all the undead DHs

Maybe foreshadowing for 3rd dh spec

[craggy barn]

3rd dh spec: fucking dead

[rigid basin]

Hahahah

[craggy barn]

dh's finally sacrificed the last thing they had

their life

now theyre just all dead

[rigid basin]

Fel rushed into too many mechs

[random stirrup]

zamn

[craggy barn]

nice

[craggy barn]

we ended the night getting to the first void beam set

[slate plaza]

what do we need to get a myth track dinar next week

[random stirrup]

4 bosses or 4 dungeons

[craggy barn]

its just a normal dinar isnt it

and u can use it on anything as long as u cleared the content

[novel socket]

for dungeon trinkets you need to time all dungeons to +12

for raids you need to have killed the boss in mythic for myth track

lfr and up unlocks the hero tier raid items

[waxen scarab]

what are we taking with dinar?

[craggy barn]

next week we get a dinar

[chilly atlas]

wish the boss kills were account wide, my rogue never gonna get late bosses

[vapid sundial]

So they hard nerfed dinars then

thats cringe

who cares if someone gets an end boss trinket

wf is over

[craggy barn]

they want people to EARN their gear in a real season

previous dinars existed in a s4 with a rotating raid so they let people pick their gear bc otherwise there was no realistic way to get any item from a raid in a reasonable time

thats not the case now

[red zinc]

why cant you evasion this

like i have not gotten hit by it before

but when i evasion it just doesnt work

most of the time

really dont get it

[craggy barn]

what key level are people usually swapping off cheat death

[short plover]

how are gem colors calculated for the algari gems? is the first slot color calculated or does every combination count?

[red zinc]

asap cause you gotta learn

[gaunt phoenix]

all gems

[red zinc]

aint necessary till like 17 though afaik

mayb 16 on some keys

[atomic dirge]

Hi all, I've been playing rogue for a few months, I wanted to ask if there was a recommended macro to use with Ghostly strike or just bind it to a convenient key and spam it to cd?

[gaunt phoenix]

you can macro it to everything but you should still be able to press it sometimes

[short plover]

so haste vers and haste crit are two different colors? and if yes,is crit haste the same as haste crit?

[gaunt phoenix]

the colors are ruby/emerald/onyx/sapphire

[reef forge]

are we meant to be getting some sort of waist next patch? similar to cyrces circlet?

[craggy barn]

all heavy haste gems are emerald

all heavy crit gems are ruby

yes a delve waist thing

[short plover]

ty

[reef forge]

is it good for us or should i craft a waist?

[cinder relic]

It's probably going to be bis for everybody

[empty elbow]

It's projected to go to 700 ilvl

[reef forge]

ok so i craft hands

[empty elbow]

You want chest as your off piece on outlaw

Hands should be set piece

[reef forge]

yea but i play kir and my chest is myth and hands arent

so hands might just be better

[empty elbow]

Hmm

[reef forge]

will sim though

[empty elbow]

Yeah for sure

[stoic dragon]

yo @vivid vessel was KiR simming higher on your profile or did you just enjoy KiR more for raid?

[vivid vessel]

kir sims 2% lower for me

i hate ho

[stoic dragon]

i see

btw

is the ambush double bug accounted for in sims?

[glass mortar]

yes

[stoic dragon]

ty

[hasty warren]

idk what build to play for stix. I'm trying kir triks deft ps 1 fth

do u have recommandations ?

[craggy barn]

that or aoe ho, pc or no pc. doesnt really matter imo

or u just swap to sin and sit on boss forever

[sour gulch]

Is there a macro/wa for Tricks?

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[hasty warren]

i'm not a sin player

only yo oh roll the dices

[cold falcon]

hey, i studied some guides and tried some different specs.. however i make no progress on my dps.. my character is simming at 1,9m but i get arount 1.2 or 1.1 at the dummy.. i noticed, that BtE is at 30% on the sim but 14% at the dummy.. where can i go further now?

[red zinc]

30% what

damage?

[cold falcon]

30% of the dmg

[hasty warren]

do u read the faq ?

[red zinc]

details labels some stuff seperately, even though its caused by crackshot

[honest sparrow]

First you probably simm with all raid buffs so your dmg otherwise would be lower anyway. Bte in logs also is the dmg from the dispatch

[red zinc]

the top one is part of bte (crackshot) but shows as seperate in details

or well its not always the top one

gotta figure that out yourself i think (unless someone knows if theres an easy way to tell

[cold falcon]

yes, but if thats your advice, i will take it and study it further more.. i thaught, that big difference is maybe due to bad stat distribution which gets somehow a bit fixed with raid buffs or something like that

[red zinc]

!haste

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[red zinc]

do you have the right amount of haste for your build?

by the way @gaunt phoenix is the only way new players can know about the haste thing through guides? literally not mentioned on any tooltip

[cold falcon]

ohhh damn... i am always simming but i missed the bare minimum now...

[glass mortar]

not mentioned anywhere in game

only way u know is guides

xd

[red zinc]

what a clownshow

lmao

[vivid vessel]

i mean adr gcd aswell

[cold falcon]

now i feel bad for my question 😮 my haste was at 20% at some point, now its 10.. thanks for pointing it out again..

[red zinc]

introducing haste taxes and not even taking the effort to put it into the tooltip

🤡

[cold falcon]

thats a nice note.. i was discussing in /2 with a dude who claimed "you can play your class at 80% if you just read all tooltips. lol

[red zinc]

i mean thats usually true

outlaw is just a shitshow sometimes

[cold falcon]

outlaw is the only point online, where pay to win is not winning (we pay with energy to reroll buffs, i mean)

[frail veldt]

That's partially true but it depends heavily on the spec

[red zinc]

reading tooltips alongside guides is never a bad thing though

i did not know dk had execute until i started doing 15s

[frail veldt]

The range of intuitiveness of specs is very wide

[cold falcon]

he said "you dont need guides to do m+", but i think we all know what kind of player he probably is

[frail veldt]

Well you don't

You can walk into an m+ naked

[red zinc]

gotta read guides to do well in m+

🙂

[frail veldt]

Need is a qualifying statement

Need in order to blank

[red zinc]

ok webster dictionary

[frail veldt]

Well it's important cuz people misrepresent things by using unclear language

[fallen knot]

ml+10 i'm 656

not even 3.5m i'm washed

[sour fossil]

Think its a troll in 10 spam fatebound build kind of day

[desert tendon]

@vivid vessel where ya r1 rik noob

and oab r1 wtf noob²

[rigid basin]

Nice prog! Our group is general good, but has a couple people way too greedy for dam, they prolly eating the bench once I'm done sorting the logs xd

[vivid vessel]

I lost it ?

[desert tendon]

i guess

[vivid vessel]

I didn't

You mean stix?

Ah nvm vurai took it gg

Eh I don't think I can take it back anyway

I haven't done more damage on rik in like 4 weeks

Boss is just not a boss you can continue parsing on

Adds die too fast now

[desert tendon]

u just bad

gg

washed up zac

assa main now

[vernal swallow]

those of you who play both sub and outlaw, which one would you say is harder? i main sub 3150 io right now. but really wanna try outlaw is it a lot more difficult?

[vivid vessel]

I have r1 on every other boss what do you want noob

[desert tendon]

yea but doesnt matter u dont have it on 2 bosses, 3 with stix but fk stix

noob

[tidal sequoia]

outlaw on mugzee yay or nay

[desert tendon]

look how bad you are

gg

[red zinc]

only rank 1 on the later bosses because ill never get there

[vivid vessel]

Eh

What can you do man

These early bosses are too paddy

[red zinc]

DO NOT OPEN MY WCL TO CHECK THIS STATEMENT

[fallen knot]

outlaw is legit for psychos

[vivid vessel]

I can't get r1 anymore

[desert tendon]

tiem

gimme your char name please

[fallen knot]

and you need to play like a psycho

or you do no damage

[red zinc]

bro i parse poopy

cause im bad in raid

[desert tendon]

not my question

[red zinc]

always has been like that

[vivid vessel]

I wanted to try and hold all r1 at a time

But idk

I think it's not possible

[red zinc]

Tmyee-Doomhammer

[desert tendon]

holding them is too hard tbh

you have only 1 try a week

[vivid vessel]

If I don't have the guild playing around me

[desert tendon]

already having them all at once a day is hard enough

[vivid vessel]

I mean if bosses were all like gally or mug and shit

[leaden folio]

just spam m+ this reset

6ilvl diff

ez

[vivid vessel]

But some are just too paddy and I would need to have my guild not press aoe

[desert tendon]

ok tiem

time to do some efforts man

[vivid vessel]

I mean I have almost all but

[red zinc]

i dont raid mythic

what do you want from me

[desert tendon]

iwant you to beat zac

on every bosses

[red zinc]

im social raid leader now

[desert tendon]

i trust

[vivid vessel]

Gl with that

[desert tendon]

oh you raidleading?

[fallen knot]

anyone want to 3x outlaw a rook10 to tilt away from this spec once and for all?

[desert tendon]

more power to you

[red zinc]

i beat zac on the +13 darkflame parse list no cap

[zenith sparrow]

wth is gm snapshotting lol

[vivid vessel]

its gone

bro next week is going to be so cringe

all my r1s are gone gg

everyone getting 10% damage

[red zinc]

naah

[desert tendon]

yea

this season powercreep is weird

[vivid vessel]

i have to get them all over again

[fallen knot]

you get +10% damage aswell

[desert tendon]

more ilvl

more raw boost dam

[red zinc]

its 7% + maybe more next week zac

[desert tendon]

idk

[vivid vessel]

bro every 2 week is like that with the raid thng

idk

its so weird

parses are so weird now

its like

you either get them all in one week

[desert tendon]

and yet

what amaze me

[vivid vessel]

or the next week its all irrelevant

[desert tendon]

is that they still nerf bosses

[vivid vessel]

casue they all gone

[red zinc]

we get 7% plus that fire proc next week (didnt do shit on ptr/when renown bug happened)