outlaw

[shell fossil]

4.25% augh chump boss

[vapid blaze]

even couple seconds after ks
its like it confuses everybody including game xD

[vivid vessel]

yes

the anti root thing lingers for a bit

not the stagger tho :)

[fossil lintel]

I can find a crafter on ally side of area 52 at this time on US realms, you should be able to find a crafter

[red zinc]

Does your guild not have crafters zac

[vivid vessel]

ye ye i wasnt guilded yet

[shell fossil]

..ithink i get why the swim faster potion is capped at 5 stacks in ahj kahet lol

[vivid vessel]

• crafters are mega slow cause

no one plays the game anymore

so

[shy meteor]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[pastel hemlock]

does anyone know how many targets is good for nightfall curseblade's cudgel over crafted dagger

[vivid vessel]

its not really about target count

the thing just doesnt work on bosses cause you dont leave combat when you vanish

[pastel hemlock]

well i noticed its kinda useless on bosses

[vivid vessel]

ye

[vivid vessel]

^ cause of this

but otherwise 1/2 targets is already fine for it prolly

as long as its not a boss

[pastel hemlock]

okay and just swap it before bosses?

[vivid vessel]

ye

[pastel hemlock]

ty

[fossil lintel]

What are the odds they fix it to only proc once per mob regardless of vanish?

[vivid vessel]

0

random item

no one uses

[pastel hemlock]

wait after you vanish and open do you swap back?

[vivid vessel]

• its not even that good

[vivid vessel]

no

keep it on for trash

[pastel hemlock]

ok

[magic shuttle]

ilvl bump next week might make it irrelevant

[vivid vessel]

i think it will stay "bis" for trash

but its already only like

1/2%?

ahead for trash

so

[pastel hemlock]

idk feels wierd. for motherlode it did 2.8% and for theater it did 1.8%

had it on the entire time

[vivid vessel]

well it does more the more targets there is

[pastel hemlock]

but i did know swapping thats why i came ehre

[vivid vessel]

but top also have more bosses than normal dungeons

[pastel hemlock]

yea i figured. i just dont see why you would keep it on after the initial hit tho

[vivid vessel]

because when you vanish it reset

thats the whole point of the item

[pastel hemlock]

yea but there is no icd on it. i just figure you swap back

[red zinc]

ill actually sim that zac

kinda curious

holup

[vivid vessel]

it cost a gcd to swap weapons

[fossil lintel]

And swapping back and forth every time you are going to vanish is very degenerate gameplay

[vivid vessel]

its also just not good

[pastel hemlock]

ok

[vivid vessel]

we vanish every like 20s

you cant just lose 2 gcd

every 20s

[pastel hemlock]

true

[vivid vessel]

you can swap during ks tho btw

[fossil lintel]

Say that to the one button

[vivid vessel]

wont lose a gcd

[pastel hemlock]

oh

[vivid vessel]

but its still not worth it to do it on purpose (swap back and forth i mean)

[pastel hemlock]

ok

[vivid vessel]

just if you forget to swap

might aswell do it during a ks

[red zinc]

literally the same

[vivid vessel]

wahts that

[pastel hemlock]

sim doesnt show the dam for the mace

[red zinc]

yes it does

[vivid vessel]

also i dont htink you can sim it other than slice or dungeon route

[red zinc]

im simming dungeon route

[vivid vessel]

cause bosses dont drop combat

ok

well i still dont know what you are simming

[red zinc]

this was a 2 mob and 1 mob pull

ill do seperate

[vivid vessel]

ok

[red zinc]

alr proves that it doesnt matter on 2t thoughh

not that you ever play either of these target coutns in m+

[vivid vessel]

prolly better at 2 t and +

[fossil lintel]

You haven't seen my tanks

[red zinc]

this is pure st

[vivid vessel]

ye

thats what i tought

[red zinc]

but again

swapping for this when the only time this comes up is when the pack around a mini boss has died

and that mob will probably alr be at like 30%

doesnt matter

just swap for bosses and leave it at that

[novel socket]

anyone tested dual nightfall curseblade's cudgel

if its even better in aoe ?

[red zinc]

its currently very slightly better than 678 weapon on first pulls cinderbrew

but thats it

[novel socket]

hmm

[red zinc]

wont be better than 684

dont bother

[novel socket]

ok

thanks

[red zinc]

I guess if you're still learning and playing super low keys it would be better but

thats a whole other can of worms

[wide flare]

When using the Cudgel are we supposed to switch targets or does the first ‘auto’ not work on every mob?

[vivid vessel]

bf works with it

[wide flare]

Makes sense, tthanks

I thought you couldn’t change gear during m+, is that just trinkets?

[modern dune]

hey guys. how do you handle KS at mechagon endboss ? 😄 it sold me 2 times now haha

[dusty blaze]

It will put u center of boss

[tulip jewel]

spam world markers on the spot and tell people to stay off them as much as possible while ur stunned helps a lot

[red zinc]

wat

[restive snow]

hey all i got a question should i be using a dagger in off hand untill i get a better option

[tulip jewel]

sim it

@vivid vessel someone cried at me for eating like 2 unlucky af sprees without cloak when I got placed into bs for too many ticks of it

linked your logs comparing to mine with 5x the spree damage in the same key/level lmfao

ty

shut him up real quick

[vivid vessel]

tells your healer to learn to heal

[tulip jewel]

lmao pretty much

[vivid vessel]

what was the log

[tulip jewel]

i’m like nah that’s triggering af because i’m already giga safe

[vivid vessel]

do i really take that much damage

[tulip jewel]

ToP lmao

[vivid vessel]

ah ye

well top you dont really have a choice tbf

[tulip jewel]

i’m like, I could be doing this

you should be thankful

[vivid vessel]

between the beam and the balls

[tulip jewel]

lmaooo

yeh

frontals etc

[vivid vessel]

i even ks frontals during second boss

[tulip jewel]

yah

[vivid vessel]

or the aoe

[tulip jewel]

just rng how much you eat too sometimes

[vivid vessel]

just heal me mf

[tulip jewel]

sometimes it places you in puddles every tick

some keys

and you cop like a 12% instead of no dot

[vivid vessel]

my top 18 ?

[dawn talon]

fr

[tulip jewel]

17

[dawn talon]

heal my guy bro

[vivid vessel]

hmm

[vapid blaze]

thats what cloak is for 😄

[vivid vessel]

i hav e 3 top 17

[dawn talon]

cloak? im not even pressing feint

heal my guy

[tulip jewel]

lmao

impressive really

0 healer sympathy

[vivid vessel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mgB8yXdtcN9DxQT3?fight=11&type=damage-taken&source=3

i have a better one it seems

[tulip jewel]

hahaha

[vivid vessel]

thats the one i did most damage on

17 i mean

let me check the 18s

[tulip jewel]

yeah lmao i’m really like I could be doing so much more

if you’d heal me through it

I might make a weakaura that anchors to frame for healer

[vivid vessel]

18s lower actually

im a pussy

[tulip jewel]

yeah we don’t need the extra damage to time is really my thoughts

can play safe and still gap by 15%

[vivid vessel]

tanked a dog + 2 ticks of beam

on last boss

[tulip jewel]

rofl

[vivid vessel]

this one 3 ticks of beam aswell

BIG

[tulip jewel]

doesn’t tick as hard as I thought it would

[vivid vessel]

but look

[tulip jewel]

ngl

[vivid vessel]

thats only 2 mil hps required

is it even that much

just heal ?

[long barn]

Why you still running moneymakers

[tulip jewel]

yeah i’ll make a frame anchor WA

[long barn]

Also you don’t have a 6/6 myth offhand?

[vivid vessel]

during that one where i took dog + frontal

i just pressed pot and vanish and got to 1.2 mil hps

and healer just healed a little

eh

not that bad man just press buttons who tf cares

These healers are Perma afk so they get surprised when it's finally time to press their buttons

[bright pulsar]

I just got the Magnet trinket and i am struggling to find an answer at what stacks do i send it?

[tulip jewel]

lolol

yeah I pot so often

[tulip jewel]

no difference

as long as ur not capping or saving for a burn or amp etc

[bright pulsar]

Ok thanks

[tight kernel]

Is anyone running pc for bandit?

Or is that troll

[tulip jewel]

1 fth is great

[vapid blaze]

just play with monk

[stable furnace]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[feral glen]

Any sims for coming corruption?

[red zinc]

echoing void bis

[novel socket]

i just finished a dungeon where our shaman didn't cast lust and interrupt a single time

for the whole dungeon

[errant arrow]

4 stacks of supercharger is absoltuely wild

[serene gate]

Hello, wanted to know (did take out my outlaw recently, so i'm new to the actual gameplay of outlaw)) for the HO build i need to RTB constantly for the supercharger ? (and is KiR need to do that also ? spamming RTB to get the supercharger combo point seems a bit lame to me)

[covert kestrel]

The spam is mostly for 5 roll with SC being the fall back if you don't hit it. You don't roll nearly as much in KiR as HO

[vivid vessel]

this shit is crazy

!

[hollow temple]

it looks so ...

idk

undangerous

like it cant hit or cut anything

[daring oxide]

Pretty cool

[haughty moat]

what is that?

[hollow temple]

new trading post mog

[daring oxide]

RTB until 5 natty

[vivid vessel]

even these are wild

[daring oxide]

Are these from the legion remix?

[vivid vessel]

bro

💀

thjey are cooking so hard

???

[hollow temple]

ew

tf is that helmet

[serene gate]

hmmm but it can be a lot of roll 🤔 , but i see the thing

[hollow temple]

at this point it looks like they use chatgpt for generating these xD

[vivid vessel]

its a chess set bro

[serene gate]

really like the set of chess they doing on it

[vivid vessel]

I mean i prolly wont be using it but

idk

it looks so cool to me

[vivid vessel]

will be using these swords tho no cap no cap

[desert tendon]

Zac what s your expectations for ks?

That s cool to be in clips highlight but

[vivid vessel]

if they dont rework it for 11.1.7

[desert tendon]

What you wish for

[vivid vessel]

its fucking disapointing

cause wtf are the devs doing

did you see the last cliup censi ?

[shy meteor]

vacation

[desert tendon]

With the no changes on rogue at all so far

[vivid vessel]

didnt even know this one got clipped

[desert tendon]

I bet .7 or next tier is à class rework

[daring oxide]

Which clips were?

Where

[desert tendon]

Yea i ve seen

U tagged me

And i care about your notifications

[vivid vessel]

[desert tendon]

[novel socket]

its more likely that they nerf ks and buff something else so we dont have to take it

over reworking it

[desert tendon]

#outlaw message

Yea but

So

Gotta fully rework fatebound from scrap

[vivid vessel]

fatebound is 20% behind in aoe

good lcuk with that

• the whole tree is shit

and horrendous

fucking ass

everything

is ass

its funny cause

fatebound might be the worse designed rogue tree

[wide coral]

sadeg

[vivid vessel]

even tho on appearence its the least offensive

[wide coral]

if they change ks to cannonball barrage I'm swaping to trickster

[daring oxide]

Fatebound is probably a candidate for worst tree in the game

[vivid vessel]

ye

[desert tendon]

Fateboubd is shit

[wintry solar]

That would mean an added ability AND decoupling KS

[daring oxide]

Utter garbage design

[wintry solar]

I like it

[desert tendon]

It s somehow supposed to be fully passive so you dont care about it

But in reality

[daring oxide]

It was probably generated by ChatGPT ngl

[desert tendon]

You play arround it and its bugs

And it s shit

Tuning

Design

[wide coral]

fatebug

[desert tendon]

Game play

[daring oxide]

Fatebound looks like AI slop

[desert tendon]

Everything is bad about fb

[wintry solar]

Doesn't even have a capstone

Smh

[wide coral]

capstone needed to be a bit more deterministic imo

[wintry solar]

The capstone is a myth

It's not REAL

[desert tendon]

I got depressed tracking lucky coin last season

Holy shit

[wintry solar]

See?

Myth

Doesn't exist

[desert tendon]

I remember some reclears

Where I havent got lucky coins the full night

[hidden bay]

yoo

where this from

is it leather?

[inland acorn]

wdym you don't like RNG 7% agility, that might proc 1 min into fight or next week ?

[vivid vessel]

everything i think

ighs just a monthly thingy set

[desert tendon]

Between the really late lucky coins or the bug that made you skip the coin entirely

[hidden bay]

for june?

bro

this shit usually p2w

fuck the chess set this one is insane

[vapid sundial]

i like all but the face

the face is kinda..

eh

[royal ermine]

gold one not on the tp

[cedar goblet]

started outlaw again, why did we get killing spree instead of blade rush as strong buidl 💔

its too dangerous to use most of the time

[wide flare]

you get used to it haha

[scarlet drum]

So the keep it rolling dungeon talent build has a better sim for me even though I have significantly less haste than recommended I think.

I'm at like 11%, don't you need like 20%?

[vivid vessel]

show sim

[scarlet drum]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5YxzoDQx9G3yo6HLXTik9f

[tribal oasis]

is there any wa to remind weapon swap for bosses?

[proven ocean]

Bruh

[vivid vessel]

tbf your ho build is cooked

[scarlet drum]

lol oh no

It's from an old build I think. I haven't updated anything in quite a while lol

[vivid vessel]

the kir one is fine

at least sim with haste flask omegalul

[scarlet drum]

Okay, so haste flask gets me to 15%. Are people just using haste flasks?

[vivid vessel]

if you need to get to 20% for kir ye

doesnt matter if the stats comes from your gear

or the flask

[scarlet drum]

Is there a hidden opportunity + trickster build in the fuu sheet? I didn't see one I don't think.

[vivid vessel]

check the faq

#outlaw-faq

[scarlet drum]

Okay thanks.

We don't use Vigor anymore?

What about all of my feints in the middle of bosses?

[vivid vessel]

no you dont

you just have no energy sometimes

idk

it is how it is

[daring oxide]

Indeed

Honestly wondering what our next tier set is going to be

I feel a little sad losing our current 4 set

Been nice for 6 buff uptime this tier

[proven ocean]

Ks now has no cooldown

[daring oxide]

Ok then they better fuckin fix it

@vivid vessel predictions

[wintry solar]

I'd imagine a spin off of last tiers. Sinister Strike doing shadow damage and empowering rtb or something

[vivid vessel]

another bugged tier that doesnt work

[daring oxide]

Gimme ya wish list of a tier set you’d like to see

I wanna see peoples cooks today

[daring oxide]

🥲

[wintry solar]

I wanna see Censi's idea

[daring oxide]

What’s that

[wintry solar]

Yeah I'm not a fan either

[scarlet drum]

So no more blade flurry activation for combo points? 😦

[wintry solar]

KiR gets it

[daring oxide]

I hope no more spin offs

[wintry solar]

Hopefully something that changes gameplay like this one

Even if it is slightly different.

The first tier was aids

[vivid vessel]

i mean tbf i want baseline rtb to be reduced variance a bit

[proven ocean]

Omgogmgogmg

[vivid vessel]

i want it to be 2 buffs baseline

[proven ocean]

I got some new panama geisha beans

Mango purée flavored beans with many other flavors

Sheeesh

[vivid vessel]

why you started talking french

[wintry solar]

2/4/6 or just the regular now but 2 baseline

[vivid vessel]

2/3/5

3 is our 2 buff

and loaded dice interact with sleight

[wintry solar]

Gotcha

[proven ocean]

Mango purée, sugarcane, floral and peach tea

[vivid vessel]

so like if you roll a 3 you would get + 1

[proven ocean]

Thoughts?

[scarlet drum]

Realistically... be honest with me... what's the minimum amount of haste I can get away with the RtB build and not feel like ass?

[vivid vessel]

instead of it going to nothingness

[wintry solar]

Yeah that'd be nice

[vivid vessel]

20% ?

one sec

let me ehck your gear

i mean recraft your finger

its crit vers for whateer reason

and your neck ?

[scarlet drum]

I can recraft all of crafts yeah

[vivid vessel]

and your sword ?

[safe pasture]

can i drop precise for ghost in top with ho?

or is that troll

[vivid vessel]

i think top is one of the best top dugneon

[haughty moat]

top is the best top, nice

[safe pasture]

damn i feel like ghostly would be so good in it

[cloud thunder]

mhm yes ty zac

[vivid vessel]

pc ^

[cloud thunder]

top is the best top

[vivid vessel]

pc dungeon

[polar kelp]

In top that's so troll lol

[wintry solar]

Precise dungeons I assume he meant

[safe pasture]

=[

what about CTO then? 😄

[polar kelp]

Learn kir and get both

[wintry solar]

Real

[safe pasture]

oof

[polar kelp]

Just sayin...

[wintry solar]

1fth tho

Is fun

[polar kelp]

Only downside in kir is if you die quickly after you press adr...you might as well just leave the key

Lol

[wintry solar]

I got asked why I was auto attacking

I guess the tank seen me not shooting

[cloud thunder]

adr +kir 60s buffs, tank died, i died, i left

[polar kelp]

I can see it haha

I swapped from ho to kir for higher keys and I still sometimes overuse feint and starve myself...not like HO where you can basically press it on cd and it doesn't matter

[wintry solar]

I started dropping GS for pc and tbh I'm not sure if it's in my head or not but I think I feel ST loss

[scarlet drum]

How much of a detriment is it to have a little extra haste in the HO builds?

[polar kelp]

Ho likes haste anyway, and it makes pressing feint even easier. 18% is still good

[wintry solar]

How much is a little extra haste anyway

[scarlet drum]

Good question. Let me recraft all of my gear and I'll figure it out.

[wintry solar]

Okie dokie

[scarlet drum]

Forgot I had these boots in my bags I could swap out.

[jolly geyser]

catalyst boots good

[tidal sequoia]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[scarlet drum]

Wait... does a supercharged killing spree lock you into the animation for longer...?

[wide flare]

yes, you use more combo points

[haughty moat]

yep

[scarlet drum]

lol omfg

I'm gonna purg

[rigid basin]

And if you dropped AR you are in it for ages lmao

[haughty moat]

get a pi and bl then its under 1 sec ^^

[daring oxide]

What if this was a fatebound talent for outlaw, you can enhance the damage of BTE by using fatebound coins as ammo

[scarlet drum]

The slices of killing spree are affected by the GCD reduction of adrenaline rush?

[tight kernel]

It’s okay just don’t use KS. Pick up Blade rush better

[wintry solar]

I thought of "Coin Shot" when I seen this

[gaunt phoenix]

No

they are hasted

[rigid basin]

I'm tripping, it's affected by haste tho

If KS were fixed duration would be considerably safer,

[polar kelp]

"considerably" is a stretch
...maybe "slightly"

[scarlet drum]

Guys... It was too much to recraft ALL of the gear to haste/vers lol

[rigid basin]

Dunno, If I know Ive been boned too many times by landing back in bad when a tick later is safe and a tick before I can grapple. The variance of the self CC frustrates me more than the random blinking

If I knew when I'd land would be more comfy

[scarlet drum]

Why mind numbing over atrophic poison?

[red zinc]

Fork shooting lessgoo

[frail veldt]

@vivid vessel has a WA for this

But it's secret

[scarlet drum]

Am I supposed to reroll during a crackshot window? Why is this weakaura yelling at me to reroll during a crackshot?

[frail veldt]

Technically yes

[scarlet drum]

Oh

[fallen knot]

can someone explain to me why i'm saved on sprocket but it doesnt count? i got kicked when they pulled and killed it yesterday hello blizzard

[vapid sundial]

Did you tag it

Probably why

Weird game

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[gaunt phoenix]

Gaining supercharger during stealth is generally good, it's also cooldown reduction on RTB in case you need to roll again

[scarlet drum]

Because of the extra combo point spent from the supercharger you mean?

So just reroll like fuckin' crazy?

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah spending them on crackshots is good

for HO if you dont have 4 active buffs then you be rolling

[vapid blaze]

idk if im cooked
but is there a downside to vanish->rtb

[gaunt phoenix]

no it's fine if it happens to line up

[vapid blaze]

sometimes i feel like i lose the stealth tho mid gcd of the rtb
but maybe thats just my halucination

(i usually do this with my post KIR rtb, or is there something better to use supercharger for)

[leaden folio]

omg so much rogue on mdi today

zerocool is playing omg

[fossil lintel]

zeross is playing?

[vivid vessel]

ye

he is

[fossil lintel]

woo he's on the main stream right now

Go zeross

[fallen knot]

PHYSICAL GOD COMP OP

[scarlet drum]

Is there a simple priority list from best to worst for roll the bones buffs? I want to make myself a simple little minimalist tracker.

[fossil lintel]

Yeah, watching the outlaw from them

[fallen knot]

zac trolling?

thats zerocool no

[vivid vessel]

nono

thats zeross

[fossil lintel]

yeah, that's zeross

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean good luck in mdis cuh

[fallen knot]

wdym

[fossil lintel]

zac, is 13k haste enough for KIR without a haste flask?

[vivid vessel]

bro idk

[quasi notch]

ye

[fallen knot]

zerocool is another person no?

[vivid vessel]

how much is that in %

lol

[vapid blaze]

wait but isnt that guy assa main
why is he alrdy playing it 😮

[quasi notch]

19,5 or smthn

[fossil lintel]

19.79%

[vivid vessel]

ye of course its enoguh

[vapid blaze]

im sitting at 21% kinda sad

[fossil lintel]

awesome, I'm back to KIR then

[proven ocean]

??????????????????

another guildie literally

msged me

the same thing

at the same time

[vivid vessel]

nice

well ye

you are playing rn

so

[proven ocean]

THATS NOT ME

[vivid vessel]

good luck !

[dense marsh]

Just a quick question, when do I BtE and dispatch?

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[fossil lintel]

how are you playing in the mdi and talking on discord at the same time?

[fallen knot]

fml i got outplayed

[fossil lintel]

that's really impressive ngl

[fallen knot]

i searched fucking zeross

[dense marsh]

I just been keeping BtE on CD basically and I spammed it when I pop my vanish

[fallen knot]

but actually the guy is assa main

why is he playing assa already

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel fuck

[vivid vessel]

[vivid vessel]

some people chose to play their main comp

to have an easier time to get to day 2

[fallen knot]

ok

[vivid vessel]

then day 2 they basically lost but

[fallen knot]

but in day2 you're fucked no

[vivid vessel]

ye

next week

[fallen knot]

who's woxnelf

[vivid vessel]

you will see echo grp

[fallen knot]

in here

[vivid vessel]

playing the bis comp

against full bozos

that are playing off meta

cause they banned the good specs the other day

[fallen knot]

also the method one

[fossil lintel]

what are the rules? you can't repeat same class?

[vivid vessel]

or well thats what happned last week i guess i dont remember

[fallen knot]

looks fine

[vivid vessel]

i think i only watched day one

ye

anywya

[vivid vessel]

you ban the 3 most runned spec

one tank one healer

and one dps

[fallen knot]

so

wait

i mean

if you play the physical comp you're good no?

[vivid vessel]

no

[fossil lintel]

Zeross can just play outlaw on day 2

[vivid vessel]

they are banning all their specs

rn

its per team

the rule

[fallen knot]

what if you play 3 different specs today

do you ban them all?

[jaunty citrus]

where's the reminder WA to swap weapons?

[red zinc]

This mdi so goofy

[vivid vessel]

so what echo did day 1 for example

[red zinc]

[vivid vessel]

is play one comp for 6 keys

then another comp for 5

and that means they ban one comp basically

[fallen knot]

like you do

5x meta dh druid mage shamn dk

[vivid vessel]

you do early keys as off meta then swap to bis comp for the last levels

[fallen knot]

and 6x physical comp

so you ban physical comp

[vivid vessel]

you will ban phys comp ye

[fallen knot]

but

on day2

wait

is it only 2 days?

[fossil lintel]

then can just switch to meta comp

[vivid vessel]

you ban for day 2

[fallen knot]

like

[vivid vessel]

i dr

[fallen knot]

on finals they can play whatever?

[vivid vessel]

i think its 2 days

[livid pewter]

if i wtb house of cards with dinar i have to kill bandit once on mythic?

[vivid vessel]

rn we are pool 4 ?

[vivid vessel]

ye

echo was pool 1 or smth

[fallen knot]

yea it's day1 pool 4 i think

yes

[vivid vessel]

so 2 weeks ago

[fallen knot]

no

[vivid vessel]

smth like that

[fossil lintel]

wen zac on mdi?

[fallen knot]

1 week ago

[vivid vessel]

and then next week we can have

uh

[livid pewter]

sad life

[vivid vessel]

we have the big teams

[fallen knot]

next week is finals no?

[vivid vessel]

all the winners ?

idk

honestly im clueless

[vivid vessel]

i did participate last season

[fallen knot]

i saw this guy banshers on wowclips opening 10m on gally mythic

with mm hunter

[fossil lintel]

i wasn't playing last season so didn't watch D=

[vivid vessel]

we lost immediately tho, after passing time trials

[fallen knot]

and i also saw you psycho ks into coins into pool

[vivid vessel]

but last season was cursed

[light fossil]

am i bad now or does vanish sometimes not proc subterfuge this week?

[vivid vessel]

i had to play assa for that

[fallen knot]

on mythic bandit

[vivid vessel]

you have a trinket macroed to bte

[fallen knot]

and you lived

[vivid vessel]

ye ez

[light fossil]

nope

[vivid vessel]

you do !

or a toy

idk

something

random

[gaunt phoenix]

subterfuge doesnt happen if you break vanish with a trinket

[light fossil]

only on use i have is signet

not macrod

[gaunt phoenix]

you would need to log it to prove its not trinket

[misty tendon]

guys is weapon swap so important in keys or i can play with Cungel on bosses?

[livid pewter]

do you, have it talented xD?

[light fossil]

XD!!!

[fallen knot]

if you're doing <14 you can just do whatever

probably

[light fossil]

other trinket is remnant, but i doubt it's exploding just as i vanish bte many times in a single dungeon

[fossil lintel]

what trinkets should i be looking for if I want to mostly do m+?

[gaunt phoenix]

it doesn't "matter" but its 1 button for 2% more boss dps

[fallen knot]

damage on use?

also solo will you be doing dinar buy list?

[vivid vessel]

thats litteraly not possible

[livid pewter]

if im not wrong, im pretty sure even if you get knocked out of stealth with remnat subterfuge proccs

[vivid vessel]

dinar buy depends on what bosses you are able to kill

and what you need

[gaunt phoenix]

capo >>> magnet/geargrinder/kezan/pacemaker/idk

[vivid vessel]

its bad luck protection

[fallen knot]

i mean

like

a comparison

sim

[red zinc]

i am not affording the capo

[vivid vessel]

of what tho

[fallen knot]

between m+ trinkets and raid stuff

if you cant kill bosses

then you know you're x% behind

[vivid vessel]

we alreayd have trinkets sims

[fallen knot]

and buy x to minimize

[vivid vessel]

in fuu sheet

[fallen knot]

yea

i'm gonna bet you 1 mythic gally kill

[vivid vessel]

what

gally weapon is bad

[fallen knot]

that on tuesday/wednesday this chat will be flooded by people

asking

waht do i buy heloooooooooooooooo

[vivid vessel]

im just taking capo

ok well

[red zinc]

why would u want a gally kill

[fallen knot]

solo zac help meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[vivid vessel]

its for people to figure out

so

its like vault

[red zinc]

Not like people look at pins either

[vivid vessel]

people need to figure out their own vault

you cant sim vault

[red zinc]

more people to make fun of

[vivid vessel]

you have to be smart

[red zinc]

[vivid vessel]

and it depends on context

[alpine wave]

Why is Wox using HoC on outlaw?

[fallen knot]

zac is aswell

that tryhard

[vivid vessel]

cause wox asked me what trinkets to use

and i told him

idk they are all trash

[red zinc]

I gotta buy boss 6 and 7 on mythic

Doomed

[vivid vessel]

but i play hoc

[fallen knot]

legit did you?

so if they win you get cut from 300k prize pool?

[vivid vessel]

hoc is decent aoe trinket for kir

ye i do get a cut

[alpine wave]

I see

[vivid vessel]

its kir only

[fallen knot]

can i get a cut

btw zac

[vivid vessel]

no

[fallen knot]

yesterday sprocket

on rogue

i got kicked no

[red zinc]

hoc best simming trinket on dslice tbf

[fallen knot]

but i'm saved

[red zinc]

[fallen knot]

but it doesnt count on vault

[vivid vessel]

you are sure you are saved

[fallen knot]

yes

[vivid vessel]

you didnt tag him

i dont think thats possible

[red zinc]

im confused why it matters wasnt it a normal raid

[fallen knot]

if this isnt accurate

i dont know what it

is

also wlogs shows i did 0 damage with 0 ilvl

heroic

[vivid vessel]

did you get mail

[fallen knot]

i dont know

[vivid vessel]

i dont see you in the log

actually i do

just not on the metters

[vivid vessel]

i mean

you might have " killed it" then

you might have gotten loot ?

[fallen knot]

but doesnt count on vault

for the 6/8

[vivid vessel]

weird

[vivid vessel]

well thats 5

[fallen knot]

yes

[leaden folio]

on sprocket one time, the raid lead say "dont pull"

so I go out

they killed

[rigid basin]

Funny blizzard haha moment

[leaden folio]

and I could rand on item

[fallen knot]

but

[leaden folio]

and it count on vault

[vivid vessel]

WEIRD

[fallen knot]

w/e i have 4/8 dungeons

but i'm tilted about that 1

on logs

[hollow temple]

[red zinc]

1 parse with 0 damage

how

[fallen knot]

cause i'm god

[red zinc]

[fallen knot]

or maybe cause it's fucking bugged and it wont count for vault fml

[red zinc]

some guy healed the boss?

[fallen knot]

and i checked i got no mail

[rigid basin]

It's hero yeah?

[fallen knot]

what is

[rigid basin]

Technically you could pug it again, at the expense of a loot slot for the raid. At least you'd confirm it for vault

[fallen knot]

nah i cba

it's heroic

[rigid basin]

Fair

[fallen knot]

and i'm 650ilvl i will never get in a group

[vivid vessel]

is it possible to macro a ping

at your feets

not on your char

[fallen knot]

like

possibily yes

[rigid basin]

I was asking this earlier I haven't seen anything like that yet

[fallen knot]

i got a weird macro sometime ago for the anniversary motorcycle secret

[vivid vessel]

why were you asking

maybe we had the same idea

[rigid basin]

Ping feet at the start of KS

Lil

[vivid vessel]

haha

[rigid basin]

Lol

[vivid vessel]

same

[fallen knot]

or

ping every tick of ks

and spam around random spots

to make the group panic

[rigid basin]

Also forcing ground pings would be nice cuz pinging thru a boss on the floor is impossible on some bosses

[vivid vessel]

ye i dont think its possible

[fluid meadow]

i would do that with marks not pings in raid, every ks hit another mark on the map for raiders

[vivid vessel]

its legit @ player or @target or cursor

idk

[fossil lintel]

make them panic as much as you whenever you KS

[fallen knot]

cant you do it on @player

[rigid basin]

I make my healer panic regardless with KS

[fossil lintel]

my friends find my "oh nonono" hilarious

[fallen knot]

and be done with it

[vivid vessel]

ye but thats on you

[fallen knot]

or like

[vivid vessel]

you wnat it on your feets

so you know where you are gonna land

[rigid basin]

My warrior hates it kek

[vivid vessel]

sometimes i lose myself

[fallen knot]

cant you get coord(0,0)

[vivid vessel]

i mean i could put down a marker

but markers are bad

[rigid basin]

Also so people don't bait shit there

[fallen knot]

and somehow cursor that

[vivid vessel]

cant see shit

[fallen knot]

into ping

with some lua programming shit

[proven ocean]

zac

my mango puree flavored beans taste good cuh

[vivid vessel]

nice

[proven ocean]

especially for a 1 day old bean, i wanted to try it out abit early just to have some experience on extremely fresh beans

should wait 7 days for it to be good

[fossil lintel]

does the KIR m+ build do less ST than HO M+? I sim 100k lower

[vivid vessel]

barely

[rigid basin]

Feels way more consistent tho, been preferring KiR after a few weeks on both

[fallen knot]

how can you prefer 1fth to infinite cp and rolling

[fossil lintel]

1fth?

The build on the faq uses 2fth

[fallen knot]

you play gs to have more st

[rigid basin]

I get GS, CtO and PC and that makes me a happy camper

[fallen knot]

so you drop 1fth for gs

[vivid vessel]

thats 1

[rigid basin]

Yep!

[vivid vessel]

ah nvm

wtf did solo cook

!

[fossil lintel]

i literally just imported that

i guess it goes GS or swift slasher?

[vivid vessel]

remove 1 fth for gs ye

swift slasher is not a good talent

[rigid basin]

Lemme check my armory at work rn lol

[fallen knot]

1fth means

relearn outlaw completely btw

gl with that

[fossil lintel]

and I'm not a good player but swift slasher isn't complaining about me

[fossil lintel]

also, how the hell do you safely ks on the lich boss of top?

[rigid basin]

Is what I'm runnin

[vivid vessel]

feint before

eat balls

miam

[rigid basin]

Feint and start left of the orb

Cloak if bad rng

[fallen knot]

feint and make a macro that whispers your healer: "hey i'm going to be a psycho heal me"

[rigid basin]

LMAO

[fossil lintel]

that thing trucked me, I was saving KS for the clones

[rigid basin]

Most I've gotten with bad rng is 8 per tick

[fallen knot]

THEY SAID OUTLAW IS HARD ON MAINCHANNEL

[gaunt phoenix]

u dont need to save ks for stuff

[thorny zinc]

do u guys ks last mobs before last boss flood

[leaden folio]

i'm surprise he play without vexie trinket; and also run with capo

[fallen knot]

outlaw hardest spec confirmed

[vivid vessel]

why wouldnt you run with capo

[frail veldt]

Who's main channel

[fallen knot]

World of Warcraft ✅

[fossil lintel]

outlaw isn't hard, surviving KS is hard

[fallen knot]

is he weapon swapping?

[fallen knot]

thats cause you have a lot of hours on outlaw

[rigid basin]

90% of my deaths kekw

[cloud abyss]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[fallen knot]

and every other spec looks either stupid or omega hard cause of completely different gameplays

like i could never do good on fire mage or frost mage

no

arcane

[fossil lintel]

I'm new here

Don't search me

[fallen knot]

frost i guess i'd do good

[leaden folio]

ye i dont know if they can pick the weapon from the last event at max ilvl

lmao

[fallen knot]

btw yea outlaw is fast not hard, but for most people fast is hard cause reaction times

[vivid vessel]

i mean

[fallen knot]

it's harder

than fucking dk

ok

[fossil lintel]

We have to react to ace procs and pistol shot procs, that's it? It's not a lot and you know when they can happen

[vivid vessel]

• it has more procs to react than most specs
• its way faster
• it has more rotational buttons than most specs
• every button is important instead of just a few during cds

can say its not harder tho for sure

but most specs in the game difficulty is the same

aka

[leaden folio]

harder than retpal, its not difficult

[vivid vessel]

press cds when you need to press cds

[fossil lintel]

i guess KIR and rolling adds extra load but I automated that away with WA's a long time ago

[vivid vessel]

ye and you can automate everything in the game if you want

you can play with hekillih

idk how thats an argument every time

[rigid basin]

Hekelli is the green goblin mask

[fossil lintel]

one button

[rigid basin]

https://tenor.com/view/green-goblin-gif-14141276552966470862

[rigid basin]

LMAO

[fossil lintel]

it's one thing to have a WA do reroll logic, it's another thing to use something that tells you when to press the reroll button

[vivid vessel]

what

how

your wa tells you when to press rtb

how is that different

[fossil lintel]

there are times you don't reroll the moment it comes up

like mid subterfuge

[vivid vessel]

ye thats a mistake

:)

[craggy barn]

so its a rogue v rogue mdi day huh

[fossil lintel]

what? not rerolling during subterfuge is a mistake now?

[vivid vessel]

you want to reroll during subt

[fossil lintel]

shit when did that change?

[craggy barn]

thsi season

[gaunt phoenix]

gaining supercharger inside stealth is generally good

and its cdr on rtb

[vivid vessel]

with supercharger

[fossil lintel]

ah

[rigid basin]

With the new tier set

Supercharger build go brrrr

[lofty sand]

why is wox nelf btw?

[fossil lintel]

that's it, installing hekili until the one button saves me

[rigid basin]

LMAO

[jolly geyser]

does wox have oab ring? maybe he wants perma flip with nelf

[craggy barn]

flipping is better tahn normal jumping

[leaden folio]

i still dont understand why you wouldnt pick gally weapon , while its the same stat as any weapon but you have procdmg

[fossil lintel]

Lastly, to clarify: it is okay to roll during :subterfuge: Subterfuge, especially because Crackshot :bte: BTE is the best global to expend :supercharger: Supercharger with. However, you can avoid rolling during the last 1-2 globals of Subterfuge if you know it can't be followed with a BtE
found the faq for it

there you go though, the faq says to not reroll at the end of subt if you can't use the supercharger cps

[rigid basin]

Yeah but during the rest absolutely

[craggy barn]

gally is pure st, capo has some aoe

[fossil lintel]

i guess that makes sense, rolling is worth about 6 cps

[leaden folio]

y but, the dagger offhand is better than gallywix ?

[craggy barn]

oh u meant over offhand

idk

stats

[gaunt phoenix]

the gally proc in keys is extremely minmal, its also not a dagger and not versatility

[craggy barn]

are important

[leaden folio]

same dmg, same stats ;
so just being a dagger > proc

[craggy barn]

is wox doing the weapon swap tech?

or is that not allowed

[leaden folio]

its just vers vs crit

so 400 versa > 400 crit and the proc of gally

crazy

[vivid vessel]

nothing to swap

maybe capo in aoe is worse than a nromal weapon iodk

is it

no idea

never simmed

i dont have capo yet

he isnt weapon swapping tho

[craggy barn]

why does the stream plugin not show the stats of the roulette ring

[vivid vessel]

its hastye vers

or crit vers

why do you care

[craggy barn]

no i was just confused when i saw it

[vivid vessel]

bro i swear you guys care too much about gear

way too much

[craggy barn]

???

[vivid vessel]

there is about 50 combinations of items

that sims the exact same

[rigid basin]

But I need my 3 dps

[slate plaza]

outlaw in mdi

[jovial socket]

yes zac fuk em up flame them all

[bright saddle]

is there a way to have ambush and sinister strike on the same button with a macro? which uses ambush when in subterfuge/stealth else sinister strike?

(kinda new to outlaw sorry for the dumb question)

[gaunt phoenix]

/cast [bonusbar:1, known: Hidden Opportunity] Ambush; Sinister Strike

[bright saddle]

thank you so much!!

saved one keybind

[craggy barn]

its over guys

mw does same damage as ol

pepw

[slate plaza]

i know

F

2.6mil for a healer is wild

most dps dont even hit that in raid

[sacred rune]

outlaw played in mdi, NICE

[fallen knot]

you can do

[slate plaza]

YUH

[craggy barn]

fuu

its a double rogue weekend

huge

[fallen knot]

some weird tech

illegal

[sacred rune]

i mean, assassination was not a secret

[fallen knot]

just put ss in stealth bar instead of dispatch

[sacred rune]

i did not expect the outlaw

[craggy barn]

not a secret but amongst the meta

[fallen knot]

since you never hit dispatch in subterfuge window

[craggy barn]

good to see more rogue

[vivid vessel]

well its not mdi

its tgp

so its not that exceptional

and its only played because its wox team

they are one trick of their specs you know

[fallen knot]

excuse me zac

[vivid vessel]

yeye

but

[fallen knot]

that says MDI

[vivid vessel]

its not mdi

its not speedrun keys

its just pushing

[sacred rune]

they ditched the stinky normal format

[vivid vessel]

ye

the normal mdis

[fallen knot]

yea

[vivid vessel]

outlaw in a push environnement is fine compared to mdi

but also its wox team so

[fallen knot]

normal mdis were just becoming exploit the buggy code more than the others

[vivid vessel]

they participated last season aswell

[craggy barn]

blizz must be happy they got rid of mdi, so they dont have to show all the buggy exploits for speed

[fallen knot]

in df that snapping tech to fucking oblivion was fun to watch the first time

then it became

echo exploited ingame mechanics and the others didnt

or