KSing in raid just randomly makes a mechanic go crazy
#outlaw
fathom bramble
fathom bramble
and even if you know your not going to fuck it up people still freak over the tank line on mugzee going all wonky
vapid sundial
Yeah
I'm pretty sure that's why I found it fun
The panic it induced was hilarious to me
fathom bramble
wintry solar
Imagine blade rush being worth
fathom bramble
wintry solar
Missing blade rush
leaden folio
Missing canonball barrage
wintry solar
That's not on the list of things we're allowed to miss
leaden folio
runic bough
well
wintry solar
Ikr, I had the same reaction
runic bough
if only we acted like we hated blade rush, maybe it would have been chosen... If they are only giving us what we do not like.
Reverse it on them.
wintry solar
I think it's the teleporting that put KS with trickster
Though let's be real
If it were on BR, thered be pushback on the dash
runic bough
well
they put up to 3 second loss of movement on the fastest spec in the game. clearly a troll.
fathom bramble
there's been some minor pushback on the dash on BR for a very long time to be fair
vapid sundial
Just read a few messages of my arguing with people in this channel
Good times
I liked the one of 'your roll doesn't matter that much for your dps'
fathom bramble
people don't really like having a skill that can move them unexpectedly, but I never really found BR to be an issue
quasi notch
I hope we get alot of damage after the corruption runes are implemented
vapid sundial
There we go.
wintry solar
I'll be dooming regardless of what gets fixed tbf
runic bough
dont expect corrupted stuff to be good at all
fathom bramble
right now all the corruption stuff is too weak to make a meaningful difference
runic bough
exactly
wintry solar
The 400% corruption level is what made corruptions good. Which we have none.
fathom bramble
you're not going to see anywhere near the insanity that actual corruption had
vapid sundial
you're not going to see anywhere near the insanity that actual corruption had
That shit was hot tho
runic bough
yep just dead versions
vapid sundial
100+% haste on sin
wintry solar
Was very fun
fathom bramble
the 1 enchant is weaker than like 30-45 corruption
fathom bramble
and people were pushing like 300 corruption or more near the end lol
well combat was good in mop
sin was like 30 apm back then too so idk
vapid sundial
Yeah I just don't have any mmo in my life rn
fathom bramble
gotta stay away from sin if your playing mop
wintry solar
Sometimes I wish we had borrowed power still because so far, everything since have been pretty bland. Maybe as a rogue at least.
fathom bramble
yeah I miss borrowed power being interesting
vapid sundial
Especially when it comes to blizzard
runic bough
honestly its good you havnt come back yet
vapid sundial
Look at rogue in Diablo 4
fathom bramble
now we just get tiersets as borrowed power
runic bough
ks is just so bad
leaden folio
just to be sure
wintry solar
And the rings or whatever at the end of seasons
wintry solar
Yeah
fathom bramble
mop remix was
vapid sundial
runic bough
TWW is so bad they didnt put much work into talents at all. I am just here to suffer.
i like suffering
fathom bramble
you get stats so high in remix that a very funny build starts to be viablee
where you just stack attackspeed and mastery
to do infinite MG damage
runic bough
yeah bring funny builds back
leaden folio
bro
fathom bramble
since haste scales attackspeed twice it starts to get really crazy at the higher numbers
vapid sundial
wintry solar
where you just stack attackspeed and mastery
Literally me
wintry solar
Imagine if the devs had the creative freedom they did with remix or borrowed power
vapid sundial
Imagine if the devs had the creative freedom they did with remix or borrowed pow...
Imagine if devs
leaden folio
vapid sundial
Yes that's what the post is saying
runic bough
thats saying devs are restricted
vapid sundial
What I said
runic bough
im saying we dont have devs
wintry solar
at some point
I'm still waiting for the stuff that will rival the borrowed power abilities people kept saying they'd do.
leaden folio
I don't know if there is more dev on sod, remix or retail
wintry solar
I'd imagine retail
vapid sundial
im saying we dont have devs
This is what my post infered
runic bough
yeah dont expect anything
leaden folio
I'd imagine retail
ye maybe, but on the "next expansion" and never on the current version, right ?
runic bough
at the most we can expect new raid and m+ rotation
runic bough
outside of that like creativity stuffs dont expect anything
vapid sundial
Why are all the games I like to play dying
wintry solar
I doubt we know their day to day working on retail to have an actual answer.
vapid sundial
novel socket
or because of outlaw's huge attack speed we can proc it way way more times than other classes
fathom bramble
is there a limit on how much a cantrip weapon can proc ?
cantrip weapons are nearly always rppm and rarely have internal cooldowns, but the chance of chain procing it is very low
and attacking faster does not result in more procs
novel socket
oh
yeah figured that would be the case
sadge
fun detected
thanks for the answer
fathom bramble
as long as your attacking at least once every 3 seconds you will get approximately the same total procs as someone that is attacking 10 times a second on a rppm effect
runic bough
sorry but content team was fired
novel socket
and we go to midnight
runic bough
fathom bramble
another small note is that despite the effect being on a weapon all your attacks can trigger it
fathom bramble
yes
novel socket
and not our weapon
vapid sundial
Ryu I have a question
Do you ever get tired of dooming?
I know outlaw isn't good rn and the game feels whatever but.
runic bough
well outlaw is interesting right now and also in a terrible positon at the same time.
fathom bramble
it's actually very weird to have such a fun rotation that then also has KS in it destroying the rotation
proven ocean
wintry solar
Imagine being me who doesn't like the rotation and also has to KS
vapid sundial
Outlaw with br finisher instead of KS is gg
vapid sundial
Outlaw with br finisher instead of KS is gg
@fathom bramble need u to use secret top raider powers to get the devs to change it
runic bough
Outlaw is and always is tuned to be the lowest spec for rogue. However this season we got some unexpected bug fixes AFTER a tuning patch so we are STRONGER than intended right now. We also are forced to play killingspree and its terrible. You cant even use it on many bosses.
vapid sundial
Outlaw is and always is tuned to be the lowest spec for rogue. However this season we got some unexpected bug fixes AFTER a tuning patch so we are STRONGER than intended right now. We also are forced to play killingspree and its terrible. You cant even use it on many bosses.
wintry solar
Outlaw is and always is tuned to be the lowest spec for rogue. However this season we got some unexpected bug fixes AFTER a tuning patch so we are STRONGER than intended right now. We also are forced to play killingspree and its terrible. You cant even use it on many bosses.
fathom bramble
<@101843879791177728> need u to use secret top raider powers to get the devs to ...
wish we got top raider secret powers
runic bough
We are fortunate that we had bug fixes after a tuning patch.
or they would have nerfed us for sure
Blizzard has this silly rule where outlaw can only do XX amount of other classes.
damage
vapid sundial
wish we got top raider secret powers
I just wish our class had more communication and I wouldn't mind as much
Like a 'hey, we are getting to it, but probably next expac' would be better than nothing
fathom bramble
yeah
runic bough
well for one, this company doesnt communicate with their fans. They just make changes.
wintry solar
Tbf we already get more than most other classes
fathom bramble
I'm a fan of kind of knowing what is actually going on
fathom bramble
Tbf we already get more than most other classes
this is true
we at least have the knowledge that it is for sure on their radar
runic bough
IF they communicated with the class tuning, they would have a much bigger playerbase.
but its not about that
empty elbow
16 Floodgate 😎
wintry solar
Noooo
empty elbow
I'm 12 points from 3400 outlaw bros
wintry solar
Don't don't do that
rocky summit
Hello guys, can outlaw roll for daggers and one-handed weapons or only one-handed weapons?
vapid sundial
I know other people would be freaks
vapid sundial
Hello guys, can outlaw roll for daggers and one-handed weapons or only one-hande...
!oh
ornate heathBOT
A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more 
Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, 
Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.
wintry solar
That'd tell me that they're looking at the forums and I do NOT want the devs to read the forums
fathom bramble
Hello guys, can outlaw roll for daggers and one-handed weapons or only one-hande...
daggers are considered off-spec if you try to need on them and will not drop for outlaw in a personal loot setting
empty elbow
Hello guys, can outlaw roll for daggers and one-handed weapons or only one-hande...
By default they only roll 1h weapons no daggers and if a dagger drops in raid you gotta be one of the other specs
wintry solar
Those ideas man
runic bough
What any game should do like WoW, is have a class and spec section where developers talk about why the spec is making these changes or why its not. This company refuses to explain anything though.
rocky summit
daggers are considered off-spec if you try to need on them and will not drop for...
Thank you!
vapid sundial
What any game should do like WoW, is have a class and spec section where develop...
Kinda the main reason I like league
novel socket
What any game should do like WoW, is have a class and spec section where develop...
wouldn';t change much
vapid sundial
They give a lot of info
novel socket
other companies do that and they still cant explain why they do changes
runic bough
lol what
empty elbow
Thank you!
Typically if you were to ever craft an off hand you pick dagger to craft so u can swap to assa/sub if you want to
wintry solar
We'd know where their headspace when making changes and that helps
vapid sundial
1h for mog
runic bough
my next craft will be dagger so i can start learning sin.
rocky summit
Typically if you were to ever craft an off hand you pick dagger to craft so u ca...
Nono, I wanted to snitch every dagger and one-hand from pug and thats why im askin'
vapid sundial
my next craft will be dagger so i can start learning sin.
Ur gonna fall asleep
Gg gl
empty elbow
Nono, I wanted to snitch every dagger and one-hand from pug and thats why im ask...
Lore accurate rogue
runic bough
fall asleep sure but at least no ks.
rocky summit
Thank god there are no bosses that drop both simultaneously
vapid sundial
Nono, I wanted to snitch every dagger and one-hand from pug and thats why im ask...
Set lootspec to sin
And u can
wintry solar
Play with one hand and do God aoe dps
runic bough
apply 5 ruptures and do more aoe than outlaw.
rocky summit
Set lootspec to sin
Yeah, I will just swap lootspec between bosses, got a knack for it by playing sham
vapid sundial
Mog is like 5% dps
runic bough
i want to make mouseover macro's for the bleeds
I didnt do that last time i tried sin
empty elbow
apply 5 ruptures and do more aoe than outlaw.
and then do 1.4 milly single target 
vapid sundial
Not hard
runic bough
and then do 1.4 milly single target <:ez:587982298104987648>
still better than outlaw with no adr
runic bough
i want a smoothie but its too late
novel socket
kinda nuts how much qol sin got
they even changed caustic
to work both around sin and the target
runic bough
i like caustic
empty elbow
still better than outlaw with no adr
just get 5 ACE resets every vanish :D
wintry solar
God I hate Ace
runic bough
has bad dry energy
empty elbow
Dude ACE is the best man
wintry solar
It is mot
runic bough
Fate still have nice rotation
wintry solar
Not
empty elbow
You have to have faith in the ACE
runic bough
trickster rotation is no fluid because of ks.
wintry solar
I have faith that I won't have Ace procs for both subt windows
wintry solar
Is it because it flows or is it because it's entirely passive
runic bough
flowing rotation is when you have button after button to press.
trickster has interuptions.
wintry solar
That's not what I asked
runic bough
flowing or passive wdum
runic bough
both trees dont make any sense so
wintry solar
Or is it the spec that's flowing and Fatebound is just entirely passive and benefitting from the spec
runic bough
fate is passive sure
we can focus on rotation
trickster would be the same if Blade Rush was the finisher
then we would have an aoe finisher
as well
wintry solar
Idk
runic bough
they want to cap outlaw aoe
wintry solar
I'm fighting tooth and nail to stick with Outlaw but it's just been so unfun to me
wintry solar
Ace has been a turn off for me
runic bough
Ive played ks for 3 weeks now im bald and i want to pull my hair
novel socket
when we are not even half of the top aoe spec
we would be top spec if we had uncapped aoe tho
wintry solar
Even if they fixed KS, I doubt I'd like it anyway
runic bough
also no adr on fate and no adr on trickster are different
wintry solar
Yeah
runic bough
energy is even slower on trickster
some bte windows I cant even ss once
AND THATS WITH ADR
something wrong there
quasi notch
Why does this macro ( #showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Crowd Favorite ) switch my mainhand instead of offhand?
runic bough
luckily our Mods in outlaw are active finding bugs and we had that article made. Its like they actively secretly nerfed us.
like shadow banning on social media where they dont ban you but your profile is hidden from the majority.
Its kinda what could be going on in the game with class tuning
runic bough
Why does this macro ( #showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudge...
maybe equipslot 17 is mainhand
quasi notch
no
runic bough
i donno then
last thing ill say
I dont want to push keys with ks anymore
im going sin next craft
we dont have a choice
i will still raid as fatebound on sprocket probably
so I can still feel outlaw
wintry solar
Just do what I did and go sub but change the icons
runic bough
ppl said sub aoe sucks tho?
runic bough
well
wintry solar
Idk where that came from lol
runic bough
please continue
wintry solar
No
runic bough
wintry solar
I would but I cant
runic bough
well you have to say
wintry solar
It's not as cathartic when no one else agrees
wintry solar
Yeah they're not shit
wintry solar
That comment was just my bias
dusty blaze
Is it ok to use killing spree p2 last boss workshop?
novel socket
if the balance was not so awful
wintry solar
Sin still feels like sin from many years ago so that's good ig
runic bough
ks sending you to the middle of the boss
novel socket
it wouldn't feel so bad to play nonmeta specs
dusty blaze
got u...ty Ryu
novel socket
like a 10% difference max between the top spec and the bottom one would be fine
but the gap is way way way way bigger
runic bough
i saw zeross put a 18 key up in que the other day
you know what I saw
unholy dk and dh tanks
full row
runic bough
meta only
novel socket
because of limited options
always one healer and one tank will be way way way better than anything else
and from dps is 2-3 specs
above everything else
novel socket
ofc reddit will tell you balance is amazing because you can clear open world quests, delves and normal raid with any spec
and blizz should be proud about it
runic bough
i like druid simply for instant flight
runic bough
if i dont like sin
wintry solar
Sub has dreadblades
runic bough
im not sure what ill do
maybe unsub wow
ill be back when ks is gone
well tanking is fun to a degree
vivid vessel
@desert tendon https://youtu.be/r75zBEonIro?si=gtqOk7YVvbqqU9oY&t=298
runic bough
you actually get invited to stuff
vivid vessel
I made it into the video again cenzi
Still trying to fix ks one clip at a time
Don't thank me guys
wintry solar
Blood also gets to immune mechanics
They're not bringing classic past mop btw
Apparently mop is what they consider the end of that version of WoW
The old wow I mean.
Which is a shame because the whole reason I leveled a rogue was for WoD combat and Legion Outlaw but I suppose it does make sense they don't go further. In hindsight.
novel socket
Apparently mop is what they consider the end of *that* version of WoW
really
damn
i was waiting for classic legion
the peak of wow
wintry solar
Real
novel socket
sadge
glass silo
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
wintry solar
The fact I leveled a rogue since vanilla classic only to have it end at mop is rather upsetting.
vapid sundial
<@455252099450798081> https://youtu.be/r75zBEonIro?si=gtqOk7YVvbqqU9oY&t=298
https://youtu.be/WM09uS4Sq5s?t=102 have my clip
wintry solar
Of the classics, yeah
wintry solar
We can't compare 2010 wrath to 2025 tww though. It's simply not fair.
runic bough
probably could have progressed much farther
well
at some point
you can tell leadership changes priorities
vivid vessel
https://youtu.be/WM09uS4Sq5s?t=102 have my clip
Nice
wintry solar
you can tell leadership changes priorities
Yeah
Some games pick up on it harder than others
The most dramatic shift I can think of is CoD WW2
It had a lot of the same problems wow had in that some things were locked to certain things etc, and new leadership came in and made it a totally new game.
wintry solar
What's the core of wow
wintry solar
Not since SL
wintry solar
Don't act like you play wow for the adventure.
runic bough
we used to
wintry solar
Gamers used to be different as well
runic bough
now its just to get weekly vault.
runic bough
do you remember what we did back then compared to now just weekly vault rewards?
wintry solar
We also spammed dungeons
runic bough
We spent a lot of time playing the game
wintry solar
Did dailies and stuff
runic bough
yeah
jolly geyser
Pvp
wintry solar
Pvp
runic bough
it was great
now everyone just has a bunch of alts and does weekly keys.
unless you try to climb or mythic raid nothing to do
jolly geyser
Collecting
runic bough
you can go solo old content sure
collect stuff
but it gets boring
Im just yapping now
wintry solar
Maybe you feel this way because of the people you're around and so that's all you see? There are still people doing stuff. Competitive doesn't necessarily mean cutting edge raiding or whatever
runic bough
should be sleeping
well
raids had one difficulty
until Ulduar
then they started making difficulties
with hardmodes
runic bough
no
novel socket
Don't act like you play wow for the adventure.
i used to play for the story too
but legion was the end of that
wintry solar
i used to play for the story too
This new expansion has a great story tbh
runic bough
its not competetive at all unless you join a guild to push something
novel socket
its just politics
and cringe writing that makes no sense
for the first tier at least
didn't bother after that with the rest
if it got better later wouldn't know
wintry solar
I kinda skipped 1st tier ngl
runic bough
WELL
wintry solar
Also filled me in on what happened
jolly geyser
Done all story quests,2 tier ok ig
runic bough
shadowlands was the last good contents so 3 expansions after that is what comes after TWW
jolly geyser
Kinda bored with m+ myself
wintry solar
I need borrowed power to farm for
runic bough
I got really tilted tonight from ks and It was just 11's and 12's
jolly geyser
Idc about score,atleast uncap might help
runic bough
I cant imagine using ks in higher keys
wintry solar
I can't and won't
jolly geyser
Like glided uncap
jolly geyser
Yee
wintry solar
Catalyst I think
warm remnant
novel socket
oh
wintry solar
I tried to level my blacksmithing but it bugged out and I gave up
jolly geyser
Crafted sword my oh now,got lucky on 2 vault of season
storm drum
I went assa....and we are proggin rik into styx raid lead asked me to go outlaw so i just spent three days farming every single item from M+ for outlaw and....its so try hard but fun and ive never played this new outlaw in raid im scared lmao
wintry solar
Dopamine receptors fried ig
storm drum
its the 5am doom thread
jolly geyser
I mean not 2 vault,im tired
runic bough
welcome to late night doom talking with Ryukage.
fossil lintel
What is the physical damage meta comp? What tank and healer is getting played?
storm drum
What is the physical damage meta comp? What tank and healer is getting played?
i mean as a rogue just throw a warr and ashaman in there somewhere most likely shaman healer and a war tank or dps druid for the vers buff
monk buff is decent but not necessary
wintry solar
***welcome to late night doom talking with Ryukage.***
Thank you Ryu
storm drum
Can always go like Druid tank/healer or Rsham/ele war tank/dps and a hunter
or a monk in there who knows its whatever
wintry solar
Today here in the Outlaw channel, we're going to go over why I feel alienated for the first time ever when playing the spec I played for 25 years
fossil lintel
Ah okay, I have a friend going monk tank and we ran with shaman healer and a war DPS, but I was wondering how you fit a bress
runic bough
When I was a baby, I played combat. Now its outlaw and im out of laws to keep me playing.
storm drum
Ah okay, I have a friend going monk tank and we ran with shaman healer and a war...
umm grab anything unholy dk or a boomkin or a retpaladeen doesnt matter
fossil lintel
The third friend is a mm hunter though
runic bough
Ah okay, I have a friend going monk tank and we ran with shaman healer and a war...
druid/pally have brez
but u want druid for buff
storm drum
yes lock has cookies and a soulstone too
wintry solar
Today here in the Outlaw channel, we're going to go over why I feel alienated fo...
20 years, excuse me.
storm drum
You cant always get what you want loll
fossil lintel
It was just a 10 but was fun having all the buffs haha
storm drum
Tell your monk friend to heal or rerolldruid if you need a brez
wintry solar
Dang
runic bough
ye
wintry solar
What I started doing is going to a target dummy and if my ace procs are shit, I log off.
fossil lintel
Or use the musk strat and pay a Chinese man to get gear for you
wintry solar
Nah
runic bough
would you like some encouragement
wintry solar
Sure
runic bough
we are here for you Mr Popo
wintry solar
You are
novel socket
wintry solar
Wellll
This could all be solved by just not playing outlaw
But I'm not ready for that
runic bough
your wisdom is beyond your years
You already know the answers
would you like to phone a friend, ask the audience or reroll to a meta class?
wintry solar
I play outlaw hoping it'd be as fun as it used to be. And then someone brings up fixing KS as if that's what's actually plaguing me.
wintry solar
would you like to phone a friend, ask the audience or reroll to a meta class?
I've got a bdk on the back burner
fossil lintel
I just got here, what is plaguing you with outlaw?
runic bough
killingspree
wintry solar
Most people know by now but I'll tell you too
runic bough
always killingspree
fossil lintel
He just said it ain't killing spree
wintry solar
This shouldn't be new considering I'm very loud about it
I don't like reacting to ace procs in subterfuge
It's lame when I get a lot and it sucks when I get none
And I don't like rng during specific conditions
fossil lintel
Shit yeah that is the core of outlaw since crack shot became a thing
Well that and killing spree now
wintry solar
Lame isn't the right word. It's great when I get a lot of procs but it makes the feeling of getting none worse.
Whatever word there is to describe that, use that.
runic bough
well, in this channel and on this tv show we have talked about many many ways to fix the outlaw rogue.
wintry solar
Killing Spree sucks but it's use comes and goes so I'm not too upset about it
storm drum
every time i hear that reload sound its like a giant dopamine release or rush
fossil lintel
The peak is too tall making going down to the valley feel like falling
storm drum
then i get depressed when i dont hear it for like 3 hours
runic bough
damn
i feel you guys
the audience feels you
we all feel the oppresion that outlaw players go through.
wintry solar
What's worse is when people tell me I'm having fun when I'm really not
runic bough
can you give us an example?
storm drum
It's all about perspective
wintry solar
Here's a general one
storm drum
Ima go try an assa key now just to see how bad it feels or good lmao change up the pace of the game\
fossil lintel
I played ass in S1 it was pretty fun, not sure if much changed
storm drum
Also ive ran 50+ m+ in the last 3 days as outlaw rogue farming every piece of gear from M+ bis list and i only have 1 item left the belt from cinderbrew
runic bough
Marvin
wintry solar
I say I don't like reacting to Ace procs during crackshot windows. Well someone else would come and say something along the lines of "this is the most fun outlaw has ever been"
Am I suppose to sit there and be like "Oh yeah, how have I never thought of that?" Or just sit there and pretend I'm having fun because ??? reason
storm drum
no the most fun outlaw ever was when it was called combat
runic bough
I say I don't like reacting to Ace procs during crackshot windows. Well someone ...
well they say that because they ignore outlaw history and our oppression.
fossil lintel
I have to say KS makes me go "oh no nono" at least 3 times per key
wintry solar
And then I get told that outlaw is a spec reacting to procs and while I agree, for some reason, some find it hard to fathom that there are fun and unfun procs in a proc spec.
fossil lintel
I buttpulled yesterday with KS even
runic bough
well we wish mr popo finds what he deserves
storm drum
shit yeah me too marvin gotta have that tricks on handy
runic bough
thats all for tonights episode of dooming with Ryukage.
storm drum
so with the outlaw cooking for supercharger procs i noticed i can get like i can get more than jsut two
wintry solar
Also side tangent, idk why there's all this emphasis on spenders now when historically, outlaw was more about builders
storm drum
or its it just a waste
wintry solar
***thats all for tonights episode of dooming with Ryukage.***
I could keep going too but people are waking up soon
vivid vessel
Also side tangent, idk why there's all this emphasis on spenders now when histor...
Outlaw still has like 15 diff builders
And it's rogue
We build to finishers
You guys legit have the most random issues
wintry solar
And it's rogue
That's not an argument towards builder vs spender emphasis
That's just saying it has cp and uses them because it's a rogue
fossil lintel
I remember S1 of df builders did feel more important than the spenders
vivid vessel
That's just saying it has cp and uses them because it's a rogue
Rogue emphasis has always been on finishers so idk
Your main damage source has always been finisher
I think the only exceptions has been sub from time to time
When shadowstrike did too much
wintry solar
Outlaw finishers being this high is fairly new
magic shuttle
Gotta return to melee damage the spec
fossil lintel
Can we return to when we had acro? Thanks!
wintry solar
Well when you take a spec that's designed around builders and you force-feed more spenders into the mix, it's easy to run into problems. I'm not saying it's a bad thing but it runs into some problems with cdr and whatnot
wintry solar
Can we return to when we had acro? Thanks!
I think that's what we all want
I'll take any iteration of outlaw with acro over what we have now
Gouge doing damage?
How old is that
fossil lintel
Rogue emphasis has always been on finishers so idk
Sure finishers were important on S1 of dragon flight but it was just bte to keep the debuff and dispatch otherwise. The gameplay was mostly about navigating through all the moles you could wack for builders
magic shuttle
This is a cata log
vivid vessel
Well when you take a spec that's designed around builders and you force-feed mor...
It's still designed around builders bro
We are the spec with 15 diff builders
With builder priority
And why are you acting like spenders doing damage is problematic
You are legit arguing about the dumbest thing
But I guess
It's popo
I shouldn't
wintry solar
3 builders
wintry solar
And why are you acting like spenders doing damage is problematic
I'm saying the exact opposite
Oh spender
Misread that
Spenders doing dmg isn't necessarily the problem it's amount
Back to back to back spenders is fun sure, but it comes with caveats
vivid vessel
3 builders what
wintry solar
4 with deft I guess
vivid vessel
We have SS ambush ps ADR bf
Ace ?
What more you want
We never had that many builders lol
wintry solar
Builder builders. Actual builders. CP gen and builders aren't exactly the same
wintry solar
An ability that does damage and generates 1 or 2 cp
vivid vessel
But also again idk what the fuck you are arguing about Omegalul
wintry solar
I can't imagine you have to concentration to pay attention anyway
vivid vessel
Specs design is always changing
storm drum
someone delete popos rogue
wintry solar
The amount of spenders
wintry solar
No not the spending abilities themselves
storm drum
he wants to SS and EVIS and thats it lmao
vivid vessel
We had snd in the past so
wintry solar
he wants to SS and EVIS and thats it lmao
Do better
wintry solar
someone delete popos rogue
Do it yourself
fossil lintel
I do think I understand him a bit, the spec went from being focused on good builder spender usage to pressing vanish and hoping you don't need to press a builder for the next 6 seconds.
I personally enjoy the current state, but it's definitely different
storm drum
Do better
you are right ill do better and never be like the complaining whiner you are lmao
vivid vessel
Back in SL we also had builds that were cycling finishers very fast
wintry solar
I don't care about the vanish part
wintry solar
you are right ill do better and never be like the complaining whiner you are lma...
I don't remember giving you permission to talk to me
vivid vessel
I do think I understand him a bit, the spec went from being focused on good buil...
It's litteraly still the same shit lol
fossil lintel
I miss dust
fossil lintel
It was so fun
storm drum
I don't remember giving you permission to talk to me
you are in a public rogue discord lmao crying about the class...reroll if you hate it?
vivid vessel
If anything if you want to need better cp management
You play kir
The build that focus on spender
glass silo
Kir is a fake hard build ppl just use that weakaura that tells u when to roll and extend etc
storm drum
you guys remember when we didnt even have option of specs only cookie cutter?
vivid vessel
Kir is a fake hard build ppl just use that weakaura that tells u when to roll an...
Ye sure buddy
And you can use weak auras for anything in the game
Not just kir
You can also use hekilih
Fun fact
Soon enough
You can use the one button rotation
So any build is the same difficulty
storm drum
i wonder how 1 button will work for teh healers and tanks
fossil lintel
Can one button even play outlaw? I feel like the extra gcd kills the spec in the current iteration
novel socket
didn't they say one button is only for dps ?
vivid vessel
No it cannot
wintry solar
he wants to SS and EVIS and thats it lmao
How did you get this from "I want more builders and less spenders"
fossil lintel
It'll be so slow that even the one button will rage quit
glass silo
There's like a million builders esp w kir
storm drum
wait there are mmore builders with kir ? am i playing the same class?
you dont ambus with kir
glass silo
Blade flurry no?
vivid vessel
Bf for ambush I guess
storm drum
ghostly stricke and BF
glass silo
Okay but ss and ambush r like 1 button
vivid vessel
But ambush litteraly replace SS so
wintry solar
To press builders more. Not more builder abilities
vivid vessel
Not real anymore
storm drum
yeah
same shit
what
to press more builders?
get rid of all your crit?
this guy is trolling?
glass silo
To press builders more. Not more builder abilities
Wat does this mean
wintry solar
Everytime I said more, people for some reason assumed I meant more different builders or spenders
vivid vessel
It's popo
wintry solar
Zac you get mad at buffs
wintry solar
When trickster got buffed
storm drum
i think its time we shower and wipe our asses and wash our faces and go for a walk lmao
vivid vessel
When trickster got buffed
Ye lmao
Any good reason for that ?
Look at outlaw now
"you get mad at buffs"
People like to say random shit
storm drum
lololol i been getting mad at buffs since BFA
vivid vessel
You stupid
wintry solar
That was just the last time
vivid vessel
I never got mad at buffs stop fucking yapping my guy
I get mad when there is bad changes
You think mega buffing trickster was good?
When ks is ks ?
glass silo
Its actually crazy to me they aren't fixing ks
vivid vessel
It wasn't bad
You could have just buffed outlaw instead
storm drum
so who else has ran 50 m+ this week? to see where and when ks works in dungeons? or you just already knew ?
wintry solar
I wouldn't doubt it never gets fixed tbh
vivid vessel
Thoughts
Instead you buff the build
That is unplayable
In any content
Because of one spell
And that's a good decision for you
"you get mad about buffs"
wintry solar
Won't say it was good
.
novel socket
so who else has ran 50 m+ this week? to see where and when ks works in dungeons?...
you cant really know before you try it
its trial and error
or more like
trial and death
vivid vessel
And you get mad about outlaw doing more damage with it's spenders than builders
wintry solar
To say I'm mad about it is disingenuous
storm drum
you cant really know before you try it
You know what im saying fuckin im bout to wipe the fuck out of my raid in prog or im ajust day and waste the brez
tender wedge
so who else has ran 50 m+ this week? to see where and when ks works in dungeons?...
You really just die and learn. And sometimes still die because you like taking risks
storm drum
also on rik does KS dodge his fall down that evasion use to work on?
novel socket
You know what im saying fuckin im bout to wipe the fuck out of my raid in prog o...
sprocket, bandit and mugzee you play fatebound on mythic
vivid vessel
sprocket, bandit and mugzee you play fatebound on mythic
no you dont
novel socket
more dmg with ks but more headaches too
storm drum
sprocket, bandit and mugzee you play fatebound on mythic
yeah i copied the builds from wowhead lmao
vivid vessel
fatebound on bandit is mega troll
vivid vessel
you have perma cleave on bandit
anytime that there is a little amount of cleave fatebound is tras h
storm drum
no you dont
this mans says trickster for all
novel socket
heroic its fine but in mythic i was told you get fried by the beams
hmm
i guess bandit is ks too then
mugzee and sprocket fatebound
remote pecan
only sprocket is required but only because we have to
storm drum
so...the only real fight we go fatebound is sprocket?
remote pecan
everything else you can play around
storm drum
and couldron? or just sprocket?
vivid vessel
novel socket
and couldron? or just sprocket?
nah cauldron is trickster
vivid vessel
mugzee and sprocket fatebound
mugzee is kinda our fault
we spread the lies you should play fatebound
cause trickster is too hard
BUT
turns out
trickster is way better on mugzee
just dont press ks during bombs
and idk
pray the rest of the times
storm drum
so accoording to zac only fatebound on sprocket
novel socket
and couldron? or just sprocket?
sprocket in mythic makes half the group red and the other half blue and if red and blue touch bad things happen
so you cant play ks in there
storm drum
the rest is trick KS and just smash
vivid vessel
gally i think tricster is way better but some people do fine with fatebound
novel socket
plus its a single target only fight
novel socket
gally i think tricster is way better but some people do fine with fatebound
yeah it is but you have to be careful
especially during the cole intermission
i like to live dangerously
fucking ks
storm drum
i mean tbh
novel socket
raising my blood pressure every time it looks like i will blink in front of the frontal
vivid vessel
what is cole intermission
storm drum
Ima send it type of guy
novel socket
what is cole intermission
the electric phase
vivid vessel
i mean in p1 you ks then you cloak ks
in p3 idk it doesnt last long anyway
you can ks the adds for the first adds i think
novel socket
aren't those things called electric coles
storm drum
i came back a week and a half ago landed in a guild and we are on rik we kill first 2 bosses with 18 ppl lol and then we get to rik and we wipe to rng and ranged not killing adds and being mcced so idk they can wipe to my ks
arctic hollow
aren't those things called electric coles
coils
hybrid crown
Everyone should kill ads
storm drum
yeah tell that to an assa rogue with spread out adds
rupture here rupture there oh no one else is hitting them
hybrid crown
The barrels dying fast lets you focus more on the other stuff
vivid vessel
right coils
are you talking about gally
storm drum
3 bm hunters not hitting adds lmao
novel socket
are you talking about gally
yes
novel socket
we have like 4 hunters and melees still have to go for the ranged adds
doesn't matter
storm drum
crazy that i have same add dmg in ass as bm hunters and they say my add dmg is low and ask me to go outlaw instead of a hunter going mm lmao on rik makes sense
novel socket
ranged can't be trusted in my guild
storm drum
yeah no i understand
storm drum
i dont thinkg you understand what im trying to hint at lmao im a just go full man mode and ks the fuckin pillars
yeah it is lmao
hybrid crown
High outlaw parses on that fight come from kills where the barrels spawn frequently in a 4 stack right next to the boss
It's super cheesy
storm drum
yeah that must be nice
we got no ele shams no mages no mm to just like nuke no burst outside of 2 warriors with cds its roughers
anyways rik dies next week and we prog on styx some no biggy
storm drum
on the floor before 2nd set of pillars every pull
hybrid crown
I will say regardless of where they spawn outlaw is really good for murdering some barrels
storm drum
our gm is uber gearing a boomie right now instead of playing enhance idk
hybrid crown
I'm usually top dmg in my group on them
storm drum
thats probably why they asked me to swap specs instead of the bms lmao
fuckin imagine 3 mm
hybrid crown
I would think your team should prioritize getting 2 people over making their raiders swap specs lol
storm drum
i think if they all just cast 2 aimed shots they would nuke any barrel thats in bumfuk egypt
tender wedge
I'm usually top dmg in my group on them
No WW then I presume
storm drum
lol
fallow hinge
i think if they all just cast 2 aimed shots they would nuke any barrel thats in ...
as an MM, that's unfortunately not the case
storm drum
they recruited me to play rogue becasue they didnt have anyone that can play rogue
fallow hinge
takes me like 9 seconds to nuke a barrel
tender wedge
WW just looks at barrels and they disappear
storm drum
yeah barrels have like 98million health
fallow hinge
in trueshot, I'm only dealing about 6mil per AiS and 8mil per BA, so it's pretty heavily rng dependent to solo a barrel
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storm drum
as an undergeared assa through the heroic clear i was at like 660 they had most of em around 672 ilvl i topped vexie and styx and another fight in the raid so idk i dont fuckin know oh i think i topped sprocket lmao
so lets hope that now that im like 669 ilvl and hopefully vault gives me something nice and ive switched to outlaw i can top the meters more but idk
novel socket
sin does insane boss dmg
and sprocket is just the boss
the gameplay is miserable tho
hybrid crown
Yeah I'm looking for assa gear for the last couple of bosses 😦
storm drum
yeah i did an lfr today i was outlaw and there was an assa in there at like 674 ilvl and i was only 665 as outlaw and i beat him on all bosses except two of them rofl
assa is chill
hidden bay
gally i think tricster is way better but some people do fine with fatebound
how to play trickster
on gally
storm drum
you get to watch a movie eat some popcorn and still do good dmg
hidden bay
i literally get stunned from nowhere
glass silo
How often are u sending a 1point ks in mythic raid, often or rarely?
glass silo
Plz. Don't scare me.
storm drum
nah you scare yourself everytime you press the button
burnt dragon
So blizzards new anti combat addon thing. Is that gonna eventually effect our big RTB wa?
hybrid crown
Supercharged KS 7cp, no adr
burnt dragon
storm drum
3rd boss dfc 12+ key i still press that shit surrounded by candles
burnt dragon
This one
tender wedge
3rd boss workshop as well just send that shit
vivid vessel
you get stunned cause ks is bheind boss always on that boss
and the lil orbs that the bomb soaks
stuns
storm drum
fuckin if you cant press cloak or evasion prior or after or jump away or press a health pot you are doing it wrong we have like 30% vers lmao
vivid vessel
yeye
hidden bay
tilts me off the fucking platform
hidden bay
the fight is the most anti rogue fight i can remember
i said fuck it im playing sin but
gg if you wanna step
nobody knows where you end up
storm drum
you shadow step on gally is wild
sometimes at his face sometimes in the air 10 meters backwards
hidden bay
ive already decided to just never play ol in raid until ks is fixed
spec is fun but that one spell literally makes it more unfun than sin
storm drum
yeah i guess lmao
i just farmed hella outlaw gear and now i may go back sin idk ima just play whatever i feel like playing
hidden bay
like after playing ks on gally i finally begin to understand why ppl send death threats
wintry solar
like after playing ks on gally i finally begin to understand why ppl send death ...
I imagine it's cathartic
storm drum
ah just make KS a 3 min cd and do as much dam as other 3 min cds issue resolved
hidden bay
I imagine it's cathartic
wish i knew what it meant
wintry solar
Makes your heart feel good
hidden bay
yeah i guess
i chose the more sensible approach of just mongoing out on sin until outlaw is playable
vivid vessel
gally is one of the easy ks fight btw
and its nothing compared to what you need to do in m+
fossil lintel
KS is responsible for 90% of my m+ deaths
The moment I press it every ground effect spawns where I was
shell fossil
assasin in pug keys is worse than playing killing spree tbh
fossil lintel
I feel like I'm in a Yu-Gi-Oh match and every turn they go "you fool, you activated my trap card"
shell fossil
i hate the add phase on heroic gally everything dies so quickly its hard to get a good builder/finisher arc
just kinda swinging on stuff and trying to get a few mouseover casts in
shell fossil
fossil lintel
Only for guild orders I think
hidden bay
gally is one of the easy ks fight btw
not tried on oab sprocket or mugzee
vivid vessel
with legit 0 crafters
vivid vessel
how do people craft then
hidden bay
until fix
vivid vessel
in these type of things
hidden bay
.7 hopefully
fossil lintel
Try the other faction?
hidden bay
but looks like they arent gonna do fuck all for classes in .7 too
fossil lintel
You can send it cross faction, just need an alt on the other faction to find the crafter
vivid vessel
ye i know
hidden bay
im sure im not the only outlaw main who quit this season because of ks
vivid vessel
im horde tho so
red zinc
.7 aint getting class changes
vivid vessel
i should have the crafters
hidden bay
hopefully dying population will make something happen
red zinc
its alr over
vapid blaze
does ks bug out some aoe abilities in m+?
sometimes i take 0 damage from stuff even after it runs out
red zinc
we’ve moved the goalpost to .2 already, if it isnt fixed by then
We all just gotta reroll
hidden bay
if they dont want to do changes to ks they could just revert the trickster buffs