so it just says prio ks basically always
#outlaw
fallen knot
glass mortar
thats always optimal
we are basically trying to find what is the most optimal of bad situations
which sims are not great for finding
fallen knot
dont delay ks
zealous plinth
Yep it does, wondering if it’s better to just send at any CP at 2 vanish charges, to get max cdr on vanish
zealous plinth
Yep it does, wondering if it’s better to just send at any CP at 2 vanish charges...
Gonna sim this xD
glass mortar
always send ks unless it will kill you, you can send at low CP if it allows you to press it when it would otherwise kill you
glass mortar
Gonna sim this xD
i doubt it will even change the sim dps
sims very rarely hit 2 charges of vanish
this rule probably comes up 1, maybe 2 times a sim
out of 10000
zealous plinth
sims very rarely hit 2 charges of vanish
Ah true
zealous plinth
But in m+ I sometimes hit 2 charges due to Holding for next pull
glass mortar
ya it happens way more ingame then it does in sims for sure
because u can have good rolls and fast restealths due to the way dungeons work
fallen knot
if a pull is basically dead and adr is falling off and you have new adr
and weird downtime between this and next pull
do you hold
ever
glass mortar
is the weird downtime forcing me out of stealth?
glass mortar
if yes, yes (bees in cinderbrew etc)
fallen knot
top bees cart
keen belfry
working rn guys
glass mortar
top most of the flights wont drop AR unless its under like 6s
keen belfry
having our retro meeting rn
glass mortar
bees i do if the timing works out
glass mortar
then yes id hold AR
the cost to holding it in such a situation is very minor
1 less finisher on a pack thats about to die
its not like ur gunna get more ARs on that pack
chilly dagger
Prob in the guides but do I always wait for crackshot window to be done before hitting KS? Even on a good size opening pull like mechagon/flood?
Or do I want to get KS going on cd so I can hit it again sooner
covert kestrel
You never ks or coup in crackshot windoes
chilly dagger
Kk that's what I been doin
covert kestrel
But in #outlaw-faq there's more descriptions on like when you want to hold vanish if ks is coming up, cause ideally you don't have it come up while in subt
fallen knot
is dont think
i*
that it matters to ks big pulls earlier unless i dont know something
doesnt ks cleave off of blade flurry and blade flurry is hardcapped?
glass mortar
It'll spread fazed which is decent now tho
unique fulcrum
did they nerf the nightfall mace
glass mortar
But u still wuldnt do it during crackshot
glass mortar
did they nerf the nightfall mace
What makes you think that
keen belfry
Prob in the guides but do I always wait for crackshot window to be done before h...
if u can coup before crackshot thats kinda ur goal to blast
unique fulcrum
pretty sure it did like 4% of my overall and now does like 2.2
glass mortar
2.2 is closer to what it does in sims
keen belfry
like take note as to how many unseen blade stacks u got after KS, can you get to coup ? get coup, press coup, the vanish
glass mortar
4% would be extremely high for it, either ur other damage sources lower then they should be or doing an uncapped pack maybe
keen belfry
i feel like im doing a billion dmg in keys lately weran im so back
red zinc
i am stealing damage from my group members
glass mortar
unethical padding doing aoe in a dungeon
keen belfry
5.82 in 16 floodgate cuh
glass mortar
We should br ashamed
fallen knot
padder hellooooooooooooooooooooooooo
keen belfry
4.45 in 16 rookery might be awang record
glass mortar
It's funny
We were like well we can't quantify how big this bug is but maybe not major
fallen knot
who even needs ilvl
glass mortar
In some of these dungeons it's like night and day
Cinderbrew
And the value pc was losing
Crazy
keen belfry
i havent ran a real CB since changes
red zinc
only reason they buffed pc to 5% was because of bugs
frail veldt
PC value was huuuuuge gain
glass mortar
Pc prob straight up didn't function for 90% of a key
In alot of dungeons
Ur always sitting on corpses
Its kinda crazy
frail veldt
I havent had anyone come close to me in my piss 12/13s
Yeah low keys we can't be touched
frail veldt
In higher stuff though you still get dunked on by the tank in first pulls
fallen knot
ho or the gigacursed 1fth gs build?
glass mortar
Ho
frail veldt
1fth
glass mortar
Or 2fth kir
random stirrup
1fth
keen belfry
weran is HO player?!
red zinc
i enjoy suffering
glass mortar
Cba with 1 fth
vivid vessel
H
fallen knot
no
red zinc
zac im going to start playing with blackjack atp
glass mortar
Miss me with that
random stirrup
ive been practicing with just no gs 2fth kir
random stirrup
st is beans but plays nice
red zinc
Are you trolling?
no my tanks are
keen belfry
yeah but have u ever KIR'd 6 buff into kir 6 buff into kIR 6 buff?
proven ocean
OUTLAWS
keen belfry
HO can be killed
fallen knot
yes
fallen knot
but ho
proven ocean
THIS GUY
fallen knot
fucking
fallen knot
go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
proven ocean
GO ATTACK HIM
glass mortar
Yes kir chaining is cino
proven ocean
GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO
frail veldt
Zeros
proven ocean
ATTAAAACK
frail veldt
Use your words
frail veldt
I mean I agree @proven ocean outlaw does have better mobility than mage
keen belfry
i might go coup a critter to see if the bug still works
frail veldt
In certain situations
frail veldt
Yeah
fallen knot
mage is slower than dk
frail veldt
In terms of mechanics
proven ocean
I mean I agree <@1172550924519080006> outlaw does have better mobility than mage
Ur cooked
frail veldt
But outlaw is probably the "fastest" spec in the game
glass mortar
2 grapples was overkill
frail veldt
By far
frail veldt
4 is dumb
next mountain
i want step back
glass mortar
Step grapple was amazing
fallen knot
4 is fun
next mountain
am rogue, i want step
keen belfry
i dont think we realize how OP perma sprint is
glass mortar
We take it for granted
random stirrup
at times
frail veldt
i dont think we realize how OP perma sprint is
I also play bdk, the transition is brutal
next mountain
nah outlaw sprint is pog
proven ocean
Its probably hard to realize outlaw doesnt have crazy mobility aside from hook it can do nothing on alot of mechanics
glass mortar
We've had it so long
frail veldt
SOOOOO slow
proven ocean
Mage can exploit alot of shit and has infinite teleports
random stirrup
pop a far sprocket mine on sub vs. outlaw
proven ocean
Like 4-5
random stirrup
good luck on sub
next mountain
being a rogue in wow and not having step feels foreign
proven ocean
And many more
frail veldt
Its probably hard to realize outlaw doesnt have crazy mobility aside from hook i...
Yeah step hook outlaw was bis for sure
keen belfry
to zeross point the ddifference between a blink and a hook is a huge diff
next mountain
itd be like taking charge away from warriors because theyre prot
frail veldt
Ofc
fallen knot
acro was bis
frail veldt
Eh idk
keen belfry
id say its very close to the point its not even a diff
proven ocean
Mage is easily the most mobile spec in the game and you do have to consider that its a caster
Nah
next mountain
can i drop KS and just play deft as HO 😦
fallen knot
i'd give up perma sprint for acrobatic strikes
frail veldt
Idk
frail veldt
@proven ocean idk @proven ocean
proven ocean
glass mortar
Idk tbh
frail veldt
Tbh idk same
glass mortar
Fr
keen belfry
nah but like ?
proven ocean
Mewo im mad cuz ur not agreeing with my opinion u know what i’ll block you forever
frail veldt
Idk don't know tbh
proven ocean
Guys no cap i had the weirdest dreams ever
proven ocean
No but i dreamt being high on caffiene and almost dying wtf
frail veldt
No but i dreamt being high on caffiene and almost dying wtf
That's kinda scary
bright crane
can i drop KS and just play deft as HO 😦
No. Trickster relies on KS
next mountain
fine -.-
bright crane
No ks = no damage
proven ocean
That's kinda scary
I thought it was irl i was telling myself im fine with alot of caffiene whats going on
Then i woke up
And i was like
keen belfry
what % of unseen blades are from KS? gotta be like 70% right?
next mountain
that makes sense, thanks
fallen knot
also
proven ocean
that makes sense, thanks
Are u adept from xqc
fallen knot
the icon that looks like old spell from pvp, the one that stacks
do i need to track it?
proven ocean
i was adept before she was born
frail veldt
I thought it was irl i was telling myself im fine with alot of caffiene whats go...
It's like you had an anxiety attack while asleep haha
Fever dreams bro
proven ocean
Mewo
Do u like making coffee
Like filter coffee, french press, aeropress and stuff
frail veldt
I use a v60
Light roast
I have a baratza encore grinder
Nothing too fancy but makes a good cup
keen belfry
i have nespreso vertuo next or whatever
double shot of espresso + fairlife choccy milk + ice
every morning
keen belfry
im dairy senstitive so i just do fairlife or oatmilk
steady crane
Is that fine to have one sword and one dagger?
livid pewter
!oh @steady crane
ornate heathBOT
A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more 
Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, 
Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.
keen belfry
its less vibes for tmog but its "technically" better to have that yes
but two swords = vibes
steady crane
Ok ! I was wondering because of my double spec. I play assa and don't want to craft 4 weapons, if 2 can be crafted to do both it's perfect
glass plaza
how much mastery do you guys have? I main assa (swapped from sub) and have almost 70% mastery, I tried outlaw during the heroic farm and did abysmal damage. Main Gauche was almosst as high as BTE, but that could also be from bad play
chilly dagger
Say if I make a mistake or lose my adr while hiding from kujo behind a box. Have 1 min or so till adr is back up. Do I still vanish/bte or suck it up and wait till adr can be used in window
prisma heron
Can I just macro ghastly strike to bte’s ?
vivid vessel
!up
ornate heathBOT
slate forge
!macro
ornate heathBOT
Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.
glass mortar
Say if I make a mistake or lose my adr while hiding from kujo behind a box. Have...
U dont vanish without adr
wicked obsidian
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
glass mortar
how much mastery do you guys have? I main assa (swapped from sub) and have almos...
however much u get from the 4 tier pieces
there is no amount of mastery you "want" so
prisma heron
One more thing. New snd trying to set up my binds.
In terms of key presses, is it sinister strike, dispatch, between the eyes, pistol shot?
As far as which I’ll press most often?
prisma heron
Yeah but those get pressed every so often
fallen knot
and feint if you want to live
prisma heron
Trying to figure out the primary keys I’ll be spamming to get them good binds
glass mortar
pretty much every button out outlaw except AR and KiR get pressed more often then every 20 seconds so
SS and PS will be ur most frequently cast spells
followed by BtE and dispatch
prisma heron
Awesome thanks
Am I generally only pressing ps when it’s empowered or however we refer to it?
glass mortar
with procs yes
the only reason to ever naked PS is u cant be in melee and you will be back to full energy before you are in melee
prisma heron
Awesome thanks. Playing with console controller so the initial 4 key binds see important lol. Thanks!
sullen wyvern
fallen knot
that is probably the most cursed thing i've ever read here ngl
prisma heron
haha I’m trying it out so I’ll report back how it works. Just finished doing all the mage specs snd that was cool so long as I played blink and not shimmer.
Melee plays pretty easy on game pad though
reef forge
how do you time a rookery, last boss is never ending
keen belfry
do we think CB is a pc dungeon
i think every dungeon is
but thats just me saying words
hybrid crown
A lot of the big aoe packs quickly turn into medium aoe packs due to trivial adds I could see it
vapid sundial
how do you time a rookery, last boss is never ending
ppl with burst
big cds eat that boss
hybrid crown
I wonder though if the sustained damage is also good for getting to the next vulnerable phase
reef forge
no point rushing shield
hybrid crown
Don't you have to break the shield
reef forge
people need to wait cds
hybrid crown
Ah that makes sense
glass mortar
outlaw is negative value on that fight
even an int with some specs like fire mage where u can make cd timers worse xd
but outlaws always gunna be a bit of a int on fights that focus on a damage amp phase so no surprise
reef forge
yeah i've tried rookery like 6 times and over time because of last boss everytime
its getting quite boring
is there a fast way to swap spec and get back?
frank finch
ok is it me or , trckster >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fatebound on mythic mugze
reef forge
yeah zac mentioned it being way better last night
vivid vessel
ok is it me or , trckster >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fatebound on mythic m...
yeee...
glass mortar
fatebound
loses ST damage anytime mobs are nearby
if u read its nodes
the bombs are targetable, they just dont take damage
🙂
they are turning off part of ur damage whenever they exist
good hero talent yea?
frail veldt
do we think CB is a pc dungeon
That was the only one I wasn't running t on
But tbh might as well just PC everywhere
I bet it helps you on the 2ne and 3rd boss a lot
glass mortar
its not an insignificant amount either
runic bough
Fate is able to cleave 3mil on 2 target boss
But I havnt been able to do that on trickster
glass mortar
yea not sure what to say other then player issue
trickster cleave is way higher then fatebound
runic bough
runic bough
Damn
proven ocean
oh no its ryukage again
hybrid crown
I did 5.38 mil in a priory yesterday 😤
glass mortar
👏
willow remnant
is there a crit cap?
glass mortar
80%
its not really relevant tho
its value would start to fall off well before that
willow remnant
wow!
hybrid crown
Would it not sharply fall off if bte hits 100% crit chance with RP? Like 20% base
glass mortar
it does
well not sharply
but it does
RP uptime is not 100% so
and BtE isnt 100% of ur damage
hybrid crown
Ahh
frail veldt
Yeah but even past cap it's not like you're gonna prefer haste or mastery
Since those are just so bad
glass mortar
well you would technically because past the actual cap crit is fully worthless
frail veldt
Past 20%?
glass mortar
80%
glass mortar
ye
crit is falling off. vers is also falling off since its well into DR so its getting taxed
🙂
so it just looks like crit isnt falling off
me when all my secondaries fall off
crit declines faster tho so eventually u just end up taking vers to like 50% ignoring 2 artificial DRs
glass mortar
somehow all the secondary stat artificial DRs they did ends up doing is punish specs that have bad secondaries even more
dense bolt
is AR so worth to have up if u comeout of ks with like 0.2 seconds left of AR and press vanish with no cps
glass mortar
ya
unless i had like, 1 finisher cd on AR being back up
then i might just build, AR , vanish
proven ocean
theres a dune game?
ye it was released not so long ago
after last movie
so its new
green gull
One of the dune games were like one of the first rpg's
proven ocean
One of the dune games were like one of the first rpg's
didnt know they made games?
thought it was just this one
green gull
Check out Dune battle of arrakis
green gull
Fun fact is that it's titled dune 2. Dune 1 is like a point and click adventure game from virgin
green gull
well like 30 years or so
chilly dagger
Ppl were streaming a closed beta for a new one a few weeks ago
green gull
From Zeross clip, that looks quite interesting
proven ocean
Ppl were streaming a closed beta for a new one a few weeks ago
new dune game?
chilly dagger
Ye
green gull
Seems similarish to frostpunk (?)
chilly dagger
Dune awakening
proven ocean
oh
thats
next month
???
wtf
i thought it was RELEASED
but its rather still in beta or someshit
thats INTERESTING
okok
green gull
Is it even a modern game unless there's early access?
proven ocean
wdym by modern game? it does use unreal engine 5 if ur asking if its new coding or not
the graphics are all 2025
green gull
I mean - all games nowadays have early access. All hype comes before the games get released
glass mortar
its a joke about the current gaming industry zeross
pearl trout
i thought it was RELEASED
releasing a full game? in this economy?
proven ocean
ah
glass mortar
someone said it in here the other day and i cant really disagree
glass mortar
the game industry finding out we would pay to playtest their games for them has been a bit of a
unfortunate thing
proven ocean
i can tell u gta 6 will prob make the planet explode
orsomeshit
like
rockstar always drops bangers
never misses
and they really do think how to make things right
rather than focus on money solely
but
green gull
It's even better than that now. They found out we're more than willing to pay a premium in order to playtest their games.
glass mortar
It's even better than that now. They found out we're more than willing to pay a ...
yea
proven ocean
It's even better than that now. They found out we're more than willing to pay a ...
ye ofc
its bullshit but thats money what can u do
pearl trout
in the old days beta testers get paid to test games 💀
frail veldt
i can tell u gta 6 will prob make the planet explode
Idk the hype is so high it could fuck itself
Over promise under deliver
Recipe for disaster potentially
green gull
Cyberpunk really got hit with that
green gull
Even though it wasn't that buggy. Like 99% probably played without ever encountering bugs. Still social media exploded with clips of bugs
wise helm
Not sure its been mentioned here yet, but I found an interaction with the "Zee's Thug Hotline" trinket and the "Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel", If the trinket has a minion spawned keeping you in combat vanish wont reset the proc from the weapon
gaunt phoenix
nice
jade abyss
The realm I should be playing on inside the Ara-Kara dungeon
daring oxide
Bro I can’t wait for this
daring oxide
The realm I should be playing on inside the Ara-Kara dungeon
If they bring back ara Kara next season it’s gonna be so good now with our BF bug fixes gg
lapis forge
is there a way to make a WA that when Ace procs, it plays a sound?
jade abyss
If they bring back ara Kara next season it’s gonna be so good now with our BF bu...
I mean that explains so much why we were so low on that pull. Like I knew it was the first pull and mass aoe but the damage felt so underwhelming compared to others big aoe
For the new weapon, I'm just about to farm it. There is nothing to do while playing right? We can use vanish and right away BTE it will still proc I assume.
Only asking because sometimes in a 1v1 situation when I spam fast after the vanish it won't make me reset the fight and when slower it will put me out of combat and reset the fight
gaunt phoenix
it will happen instantly
quasi notch
So the Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel Deals more dam than my 678 Offhand?
gaunt phoenix
Yes
quasi notch
ok
gaunt phoenix
you can weapon swap in keys
frail veldt
Even though it wasn't *that* buggy. Like 99% probably played without ever encoun...
Also a lot of the time they were hilarious bugs
lyric forge
Is outlaw the go to 70-80 spec for a washed up returning DF player?
frail veldt
Is outlaw the go to 70-80 spec for a washed up returning DF player?
Assa is prob the easiest fastest leveling for rogue
Due to sudden demise
And bone spike
cinder relic
They are all gonna be chill for leveling tbh
Outlaw gets subterfuge crackshot spam, subs CDs are short enough u always have them up, sin has demise and improved garrote
frail veldt
But yeah all are fine outlaw just has to deal with vanish resetting mobs if you don't do it quick enough
But it gets to spam grapple around so that can make up for it a bit
cinder relic
mobs just die in ur first subterfuge tho
upper hawk
which has the best autofollow in dungeons?
frail veldt
mobs just die in ur first subterfuge tho
Yeah depends on your gear though
And elites can be shitty as outlaw
glass mortar
not rares or elites but normal mobs usually do yea
and now that subterfuge bug is gone u can just instant restealth
glass mortar
assass levels better then it plays because of the constant energy refunds of rupture cmm
and yea sudden demise is a primo leveling talent
errant arrow
Does precise cuts add 5% per missing to blade flurry's 50% splash or multiplies the damage after the 50% reduction by 5% per missing?
vivid vessel
Does precise cuts add 5% per missing to blade flurry's 50% splash or multiplies ...
adds
vivid vessel
I need to remind people
errant arrow
Thankee!! I was hoping but it almost seemed too good
vivid vessel
that vers isnt better on outlaw
vers is the same value for every spec in the game
our other stats are just worse than vers
craggy barn
oo a crit buff
glass mortar
that vers isnt better on outlaw
actually worse for us then it is for most people
xd
at least now a day
when u have a ton of it
vivid vessel
thats what i said
vivid vessel
thats worse for outlaw than any other spec in the game
like one message above you bozo
errant arrow
I wish our stat scaling wasn't so smelly
vivid vessel
oo a crit buff
thats even worse then
craggy barn
"uncapped" aoe
vivid vessel
its not uncapped
when they write split damage
its just
5 targets
+30% per target
runic bough
So
runic bough
My 40% vers is bad uwu?
runic bough
Nooooooooo
glass mortar
i mean these things r all relative
runic bough
glass mortar
if outlaw is tuned to be good, and vers is ur best stat
its sorta free
but its probably not healthy game design
runic bough
With pvp neck and druid buff I'll be over 40%
glass mortar
it leads to things like blizzard needing to be sure they tune a spec up every season so it doesnt fall behind
runic bough
Maybe 42-43%
glass mortar
i cant believe they are thrilled that some specs just get to get like 20% DR natty from a secondary and do the same dps (or similar) to other specs
they very specifically took a look at WW going out of DF to give it secondaries so it wouldnt stack vers anymore
and they did it without much difficulty
not sure why the same didnt happen to us
gaunt phoenix
if u have like 6000 crit 26000 vers you might wanna sim getting some crit
glass mortar
its kinda cute having a season where we can use secondary stat trinkets and have aoe scaling trinkets
until u realize its because every direct damage trinket is so pissweak
vivid vessel
I mean why is vers a stat tho
glass mortar
that the secondaries can compete
jade abyss
I mean why is vers a stat tho
Exactly this it has never made sense since it was introduce to replace multistrike
glass mortar
seemed like it was added as a sort of comfort stat but idk if those really belong in wow
runic bough
I wonder if no tier at 50% vers would do
glass mortar
the original idea was a stat with universal scaling for everyone that has an increased budget cost because it also gives DR and healing
glass mortar
so like, you could take a slightly worse secondary but gain some tankiness
runic bough
glass mortar
i dont think it ended up there tho
runic bough
Guys new goal is 50% verse no tier
Cuz only helm is heavy verse
Removing tier and getting 3 other heavy verse items will be banger
Possibly 50% vers achieved
jade abyss
the original idea was a stat with universal scaling for everyone that has an inc...
In WoW we usually go for what gives the highest dps. But I wonder if some meta classes scaling good with mastery/haste/crit could go vers instead and lose just a bit of dps to be much tankier and go for higher keys even
I guess not because having high damage means also taking less (though I'm aware it depends heavily on the context of damage that can be tanked)
glass mortar
the problem is generally the amounts of vers u need to pick up to live those 1 shots ends up being a pretty drastic dps loss for some
craggy barn
i might have too much haste that i might be able to use flickering glowtorc now
instead of pvp neck
glass mortar
or the amount of vers they get after alraedy having 26k mastery is enough
jade abyss
the problem is generally the amounts of vers u need to pick up to live those 1 s...
yeah so scaling vers for these classes is indeed a very significant dps loss. I wonder if it was like 2-5% loss or much more
I guess it's more around 10% and more?
jade abyss
I'm saying 5 as if it wasn't much but I know it's still relevant
glass mortar
also just, most specs can live these types of things natty and you rarely just need x% vers to live
by natty i mean playing correctly
dawn talon
In WoW we usually go for what gives the highest dps. But I wonder if some meta c...
it's been viable a few times back when some classes really had nothing defensively
glass mortar
maybe in the most extreme topend of m+ u could get there? a place where u give up dps for more vers
glass mortar
everyone is so tanky now a day tho
dawn talon
like on ele you would see people equipping versa
vivid vessel
cause he was struggling to live first pull priory
glass mortar
yea like sin is very stat agnostic
dawn talon
even though it was useless
glass mortar
they dont have any secondaries that r super outlier
i just dont know if thats an interesting enough point of a secondary to exist
"1% of the playerbase might opt to equip those over more damage to be tankier in this extreme content"
jade abyss
cause he was struggling to live first pull priory
well going from outlaw to assa is a very noticeable durability difference haha
runic bough
What do you guys think of my new idea????
glass mortar
what i dea
glass mortar
sounds like an amazing dps loss
vivid vessel
well going from outlaw to assa is a very noticeable durability difference haha
i mean not really, just that they were doing a particular pull and it wasnt possible to survive as assa depending on certain things
glass mortar
idk why you think itd be good
jade abyss
i mean not really, just that they were doing a particular pull and it wasnt poss...
I see
runic bough
Maybe ks won't kill us anymore
dawn talon
i mean not really, just that they were doing a particular pull and it wasnt poss...
it was a like 'if i get double targeted i die' thing
runic bough
dawn talon
right
vivid vessel
just stop
runic bough
Hahah
glass mortar
10% more dr isnt stopping kspree from killing
vivid vessel
it was a like 'if i get double targeted i die' thing
ye if he was getting the bleed thing on pull he would almost die or smth basically idk
dont rememmber
runic bough
Does dwarf racial remove ks dot?
gaunt phoenix
what if i want to filter 'has rogue already in group'
glass mortar
solo just wants to dps race with some real players (rogues)
gaunt phoenix
racing other outlaws is fun
late swallow
new ryu name is banger
craggy barn
i can finally replace my pvp ring
vivid vessel
Does dwarf racial remove ks dot?
no
frank finch
I can’t wait to farm new belt and have constant 20 stacks of vers
glass mortar
but for a champion delve ring
the king content continues to deliver
🫡
zac u never answered my ping last night during raid btw
vivid vessel
what was it
glass mortar
what do u do when ur in the situation where u pulled sprocket, cast 11 SS in a row with 1 cto proc, no opp procs
AR is falling off
glass mortar
its not 40s into the fight and i havent pressed kir
craggy barn
"ask" for a reset
vivid vessel
glass mortar
do you A: suck it up and accept ur fate (you picked outlaw)
runic bough
Don't forget next Tuesday will be our ***second event.
Next Tuesday: 5.13.2025***
Starting new event for Tuesdays!!!
Triple Outlaw Tuesdays
Hosting triple outlaw around 830pm PST. Key level can depend on who comes, minimum 10 key even with carry. (NA servers)***
Lmk if interested
Need 2 outlaws.
1 carry allowed.
Time can change based on Outlaws availability
rigid basin
what do u do when ur in the situation where u pulled sprocket, cast 11 SS in a r...
Run into the other color "oops"
glass mortar
B: "lag out" and grip yourself thru the otherside of the raid
vivid vessel
holy mother of god i actually need to block ryu
glass mortar
rigid basin
B: "lag out" and grip yourself thru the otherside of the raid
@dawn talon hey that sounds familiar >.>
runic bough
Triple outlaw was fun why not like the community aspect
glass mortar
they ended up on the wrong side with their color, behind the melee stack
fluid meadow
what do u do when ur in the situation where u pulled sprocket, cast 11 SS in a r...
alt f4 is a good finisher after that much SS
glass mortar
my favorite part about sprocket wipes is trying to bounce people off the edge of the map with pinpoint grapples
glass mortar
yea i was pretty triggered
vivid vessel
runic bough
Nessa is typing
glass mortar
then our kill i got turbocringe rng
runic bough
glass mortar
ended up dropping AR once and went like 30s with KiR off cd
never got above a 2 buff
jade abyss
We have tank afk we're not reclearing the bosses after sprocket 😦
glass mortar
we only recleared because we killed a new boss tuesday
now its probably mugzee prog till we die
mossy shell
***Nessa is typing***
Why does Geargrinder's Spare Keys sim better than stat trinkets when you add more targets? Since the damage is just split between whatever you hit, shouldn't it grow weaker relative to stats?
sorry random question lmao
glass mortar
because direct damage trinkets that "split" usually have meteor scaling
which basically means, they gain a small amount of total damage per target added up to 5, then split
mossy shell
I see
jade abyss
Does the Fuu sims have to be updated by Fuu himself? I like to look at them and they aren't up to date anymore
glass mortar
and because despite the fact that that is indeed trash scaling
secondaries are still very bad for us
random stirrup
Mr zac do you think trickster 1fth kir will be playable without the current tier
glass mortar
so that level of scaling competes
random stirrup
Was trying it on alt with LD instead and the AR uptime did not feel incredible
storm drum
but i also have heroic capos knuckles
vivid vessel
Mr zac do you think trickster 1fth kir will be playable without the current tier
no idea honestly
mossy shell
I'm afraid of the nightfall offhand
vivid vessel
i think you dont have a choice
jade abyss
I'm already almost 200k above the best Fuu sims for Dslice outlaw, it needs update https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xycnEpnNSFnNq18ySP2Vtf
random stirrup
Seems a bit propped up by the 5buff rolls
vivid vessel
just cause of how powerful pc is
but pc cant stay here
its just stupid
i will never be able to fix my vexie
mossy shell
Vexie parses are pure pad
fallen knot
wait
jade abyss
it's still outlaw mythic raid
fallen knot
wtf
vivid vessel
vivid vessel
no ye i know but thats later bosses at least
when i got r2 mug it was a blue
was hard to fix that one i can tell you that
glass mortar
amount of outlaw kills per boss falls off a cliff very quick
rigid basin
Back in VotI rank 35 got me a 92 on dathea lol
fallen knot
thats why all stars are good then
vivid vessel
no one can beat the r2 0 
craggy barn
zac are y doing 1 pc still
vivid vessel
ye
runic bough
Nessa, Wox, join 3 outlaw key next tuesday?
jade abyss
I mean in the earlly stages you can get a R2 grey parse at 0. Happened to me on ansurek where I was 20k behind the other outlaw, sadly I did not use potion on the kill as we forgot to put a new cauldron
craggy barn
bet
craggy barn
2nd pc for streaming ez
vivid vessel
glass mortar
fallen knot
AHAHAH
mossy shell
Nessa, Wox, join 3 outlaw key next tuesday?
I'm in
rigid basin
LMAO
craggy barn
2 of what
fallen knot
dead last
mossy shell
wox never wants to have fun anymore though
glass mortar
but i also have heroic capos knuckles
what was ur question btw?
mossy shell
just dm me
velvet dagger
vivid vessel
skill issue that one
imagine you are alone killing a boss
and you still get a 0
haughty wigeon
mossy shell
Honestly though, not being silly at all, double outlaw is legit right now. Replace the warrior in melee cleave with another outlaw. The difference in damage is greater than the 5% buff because outlaw is just cracked. And you're tankier.
craggy barn
holy ryu getting wox
vivid vessel
Honestly though, not being silly at all, double outlaw is legit right now. Repla...
i mean just get a warrior tank tho
a few chinese teams are playing warriors tnak in r1 keys
mossy shell
i mean just get a warrior tank tho
yea warrior tank, monk + shaman
craggy barn
gdi my delv bounty gave me a shitty cloak
mossy shell
Nessa, wox, ryukage next outlaw triple Tuesday guys.
Wox not confirmed yet
remind me
if you need help emotionally manipulating wox lmk
mossy shell
hype
jade abyss
and you still get a 0
I was surprised you didn't prog this tier as outlaw. Sure sub was better but outlaw seemed more than decent to prog as in the guild you were no?
runic bough
Fr fr
vivid vessel
I was surprised you didn't prog this tier as outlaw. Sure sub was better but out...
no lol
outlaw with ks
in prog
mossy shell
imagine playing sub, ew lol
glass mortar
yea outlaw damage is fine, as long as u press kspree on cd and risk death every 30s or so on some fights like an unhinged lunatic
which is cute on farm
but prog???
vivid vessel
my raid leader is not happy about how im playing outlaw in reclears rn
brave lagoon
Speaking of prog. I'm on sprocket and I had to spec out of KS 
jade abyss
I bet
vivid vessel
but thats how you play outalw tho
mossy shell
your raid leader is a fool
vivid vessel
so i dont wanna do that on prog for now
mossy shell
change guilds
vivid vessel
i like my guild
glass mortar
i dont think being annoyed by kspree as a RL is unreasonable
this ability is not reasonable
vivid vessel
bit more than ks but ye
brave lagoon
Everyone panics if you KS and get a targeted beam at the same time
glass mortar
what else about law?
vivid vessel
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxFd91AqIGrfk-5hzz2-LbYvAgjV8-oPRK?si=z-scuKlfpgIbtuNP he wasnt happy about that one yesterday
but tbh
how can i know
mossy shell
Everyone panics if you KS and get a targeted beam at the same time
sometimes I do it on purpose
just a little bit
vivid vessel
we were stopping dps
vivid vessel
you dont see whats happening in the clip tho ?
mossy shell
making outlaw stop dps
craggy barn
i do
mossy shell
is so cruel
craggy barn
u can do that?????
glass mortar
do u need the frontal for something
vivid vessel
ye
glass mortar
ah
vivid vessel
it breaks the adds shield
glass mortar
yea vanish can do some things too
random stirrup
I can’t imagine playing trickster outlaw in prog
glass mortar
vanishing on candle boss as he targets u with a pickaxe
craggy barn
it got 1 tick off at least lol
glass mortar
craggy barn
to break the shield
random stirrup
I’m happy on sub though spec is fun
craggy barn
but u ened it for both right
vivid vessel
its funny how they fix everytime we can abuse vanish on certain fights
random stirrup
I will grief the raid in farm on law 
vivid vessel
but u ened it for both right
i need to break both adds therere ye
craggy barn
vanish as part of the rotation is so troll sometimes
sometimes u get a mechanic as SOON as u press vanish and it disappears
and bricks something
mossy shell
the frontal disapear
you can do this with the frontal on the sound pillar boss, whatever it's called
craggy barn
rik
chilly dagger
I think if you cloak on candle boss you keep your circle but it does nothing? Tried to get ones in wax but it wiffed
mossy shell
yea
craggy barn
I think if you cloak on candle boss you keep your circle but it does nothing? Tr...
if anyone uses an immunity it bricks it
mossy shell
The psychological tech is, if rik targets you, do a low combo point killing spree (1.5 seconds) and be slamming vanish at the end of it.
The raid leader will be like
WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT
and you're like
I think it was the mage
glass mortar
I think if you cloak on candle boss you keep your circle but it does nothing? Tr...
yes it needs to hit u to splash and break the candles
i figured that out as well
i mean i love soft trolling frontals on farm, cause its not hard to stand in the correct bait spot and kspree from there, knowing the beam cast wont finish till after spree
but in some cases its
less fun
many cases
especially on prog
midnight widget
do you all play with KS in keys?
glass mortar
u dont rlly have a choice
midnight widget
i'm getting quite mad
mossy shell
KS is required
glass mortar
ur choice is kspree or do like 20% less dps
mossy shell
also KS is fun
craggy barn
do you all play with KS in keys?
yes
mossy shell
outlaw is perfect rn
craggy barn
sometimes ur tank cucks u so u cant press it
glass mortar
mossy shell
doesn't need anything but to have its target cap doubled. maybe tripled.
midnight widget
every time i press it I feel like i die or have to spam cloak to stay alive
gaunt phoenix
it shouldnt be every time
craggy barn
living on the edge
runic bough
Yo guys outlaw discord getting more popular gang gang
velvet dagger
progging outlaw is playing Kir fate all bosses and then switch to KS on reclear and trolling mugzee frontals or getting stunned by gally sparks
mossy shell
progging outlaw is playing Kir fate all bosses and then switch to KS on reclear ...
never play fate it's just not good
vivid vessel
its happening more often now
glass mortar
sounds like a noob issue
craggy barn
rogue discord is 🔥 the other discords ive looked at kinda did too much with threads and faqs
vivid vessel
i think i might stop playing high keys its too hard now
glass mortar
(picked outlaw spec = noob)
vivid vessel
i cannot play cheat death anymore
mossy shell
rogue discord is 🔥 the other discords ive looked at kinda did too much with thr...
yea seriously
vivid vessel
so i just die from ks
vivid vessel
idk its all relative
haughty wigeon
but vanihs breaking half the mechanics
vanish is fine tho. not historically broke
mossy shell
+13 is about the limit for outlaw players
haughty wigeon
craggy barn
i despise the dk discord bc its just abyssmal to navigate for info
vivid vessel
vanish is fine tho. not historically broke
you well know that wasnt what you were talking about
idk why you try to be smart
haughty wigeon
glass mortar
the vanish thing can be a boon or bad thing
haughty wigeon
i was refering to vanish as a whole but go off king
vivid vessel
almost insulted you but im on my reformed arc rn
glass mortar
they almost never fix it when its a bad thing
tho
which is a little sad
still cant believe they fixed evasion on rik
how dare u have 100% uptime on our boss
melee
spits
haughty wigeon
where range vs melee robot crab video
random stirrup
I suspect evasion might be even more bricked than that
glass mortar
where range vs melee robot crab video
that meme template is one of my favs
random stirrup
Pretty sure I got stunned by a circle in a delve that evasion dodge worked on before
glass mortar
wouldnt surprise me if they broke some other things, but it still works on stuff it probably shouldnt afaik so, i dont think it was a full global change
like bombs on first boss workshop
novel socket
where range vs melee robot crab video
this is still true btw
rangers just jerk off in most dungeons and raid tiers
melees have to do deal with everything
vivid vessel
meh idk about raid
novel socket
magic shuttle
ranged do a fair ammount of mechanics in raid
like sprocket is a ranged fight
as melee you just chill
jade abyss
melees have to do deal with everything
I suggest you to prog as ranged in m+ and raid before you set your mind too quickly
glass mortar
yea idk about that, ranged usually have less shit to dodge but usually need to do more cringe mechanics
vivid vessel
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxputawHs4BmW0vlN-P-YxelThZ6uD0Q9Q?si=M6PkulDGB6l7oaYu https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx8u361gyHJq2J-JHbzx7uO-X7hLIP2-6y?si=XRIXIf3Zfx6KcR8y
glass mortar
like go to X place and dump Y thing 30 yards from the boss
in dungeons its more unfair tho
vivid vessel
mellee in m+
haughty wigeon
rangers just jerk off in most dungeons and raid tiers
eh idk about raids tbh
glass mortar
raids tend to be more fair imo
back and forth with mechanics
honestly alot of the "do something" mechanics tend to be ranged too
melee just get "dodge shit"
dungeons tho
novel socket
raids are more fair but its offset by dungeons
craggy barn
yea but think of what ranged players have to do zac
jade abyss
eh idk about raids tbh
I mean people saying this didn't prog as range in raids
craggy barn
*checks notes, stand on pole
haughty wigeon
I mean people saying this didn't prog as range in raids
sprocket good example this season
of a range boss fight
glass mortar
as ranged its literally ur job to st bomberguys to break them out
novel socket
glass mortar
stix definitly suks as ranged
novel socket
as ranged its literally ur job to st bomberguys to break them out
they wont do it and melees will have to 
same with barrels in rik
glass mortar
i would rather wipe then get off the boss to go run to a bomb at this point
runic bough
Yes I like to run over ranged to increase my pad
craggy barn
lol
glass mortar
i didnt play like that on prog
glass mortar
we had a wild time last night on our first pull of farm we hit more bombshells then we broke and killed
i think we hit 6 bombshells before we wiped
whats even more wild is it took 6 hits to wipe
novel socket
he gets up and dances after a point
glass mortar
novel socket
craggy barn
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxputawHs4BmW0vlN-P-YxelThZ6uD0Q9Q?si=M6PkulDGB6l7oaY...
skill issue
novel socket
yes zac
craggy barn
if yall just stacked and counter clockwise