outlaw

[past falcon]

Like immediately

Every tick is like 60-70% of your health

[daring oxide]

oh right

so after each intermission

[past falcon]

I mean

Just don’t killing spree during beam

And if you accidentally do, cloak it off quick

[daring oxide]

noo

talking about the monkey ones

[past falcon]

oh

[glass mortar]

dslice is fine

u can trust sims

all trinkets are very weak for outlaw this season

which means the margin/difference in strength is pretty low

trinket ilvl will just win for most of the direct damage ones

[storm drum]

ok i mean i have a mythic pacemaker....so its just something to pair with that

from tooltip junkmasters is more dmg

[glass mortar]

whatever ur highest ilvl direct damage is then (whichever sims highest)

[storm drum]

aproximately 800k at max stacks

they re both 665 lol i didnt know if the m+ would be any different of a sim gotcha

[glass mortar]

id probably go with magnet cause its more flexible

[storm drum]

idk now spare keys is simming higher lmao

you say sims are reliable lmao

magnet is more flexible in raid probably with ahving a dedicated target

[glass mortar]

spare keys has better additional target scaling if ur comparing dslice now

difference shuldnt be big tho

[compact narwhal]

outlaw feels so much better with 4pc jesus..

[storm drum]

eh feck it spare keys ez and might get a mythic one lmao

[glass mortar]

and yea, particularly if you are macroing ur trinket to auto cast it, spare keys might be a bit dangerous because it shoots in a straight line from you

and can miss

so be careful with the way ur character is facing when its nearly off cd

[night iris]

Is it hard to go from sin to otl?

[glass mortar]

idk if id say its harder then going from anything else to outlaw

[red zinc]

gotta change your gear though

idk if thats just ross but that mf had the same amount of mastery as I have vers on law

Also apparently the belt is not intended to be bis, just something fun to use in delves

We’ll take it

[glass mortar]

cowards

its ok i believe in outlaws direct damage abuse to make it bis for us anyway

[glass silo]

Does anyone have a weakaura forAR, that doesnt show 30m on the timer when you are in subterfuge window

[red zinc]

No stamina is doomed

That shit would have to do astronomical damage to want to take it in m+ without stam

[glass mortar]

??? outlaw dont need stamina

what r u dyin too bozo

[red zinc]

Dots

[peak dock]

I have to say that this oh change tilts me. The roll before key start also tilts me. All i have to do for 2% dps while some random lock is doing 70% more dmg with a hand on his dick tilts me

What can I do to not be tilted?

[vivid vessel]

the roll before key titls you ?

bro you guys need some help no cap

[red zinc]

Losing by that much to a warlock?

[peak dock]

Nah i don't think so but to a dk maybe

[red zinc]

either you are playing with sjele or you gotta read the guide again

[peak dock]

Im talking about big pulls

[red zinc]

ok so?

Catch up on the rest of the dungeon

This specs whole identity for the last few expansions is that you always do damage but its not a crazy high burst

If thats not your thing you play somethin else

[craggy barn]

how do people keep dying to bigmoma push thing

gdi

[ashen vortex]

can someone help me with the stat as rogue outlaw ? poly haste ? or crit ?

[polar kelp]

Almost timed +16 floodgate but we tried to skip bubbles and the shaman healer couldn't figure out how to water walk everyone, jumped off the edge and died then left group

Pugging is so cool

[nimble burrow]

does anyone happen to have the damage taken during killing spree announce WA handy?

[polar kelp]

Lol! We just had a DH want to do that in our 15 motherlode and the entire group said no

I had to kick him and find a new tank

[runic bough]

Yes

I feel violated

Call the police

[runic bough]

Blizzard refuses to punish leavers and therefore encourages it. We are stuck in this unfortunately.

As always report them if they leave.

[strong cargo]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[runic bough]

Does anyone know if it automatically ignores a person you report? I noticed their chat gets removed after making a report.

Try to report all leavers.

If it ignores them automatically that's a plus.

[royal hollow]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[tight kernel]

KIR or HO for OAB prog

[tender wedge]

Probably KiR fate, there’s a tonne of danger balls that KS will put you in danger of

And I just hate holding it

[fathom bramble]

Trickster is a lot of damage compared to fatebound

[tight kernel]

Fate

[tender wedge]

Mmm but living is a lot of damage compared to dead as well

Worth trying I guess, see how you feel

[fathom bramble]

Ho/kir probably just preference, but I think trickster is strictly better

[tender wedge]

At least it’s not as bad as sprocket

Yeah if you can make trickster work then it’s better for sure

[tight kernel]

Would you say OAB is a mainly ST fight or more 2target because of assistants

[tender wedge]

The assistants are big prio so you are cleaving often ideally

[teal garnet]

your parse may not like it but your guild will if you actually play ST

and sit adds

[tight kernel]

Also, are you guys sending pots on 2nd set of adds or on pull

[teal garnet]

on the rip worked for our kill

[runic bough]

Oab?

[tender wedge]

One armed bandit

[left furnace]

Damn that mace pumps

[glass mortar]

just wondering if u were doing mythic sprocket and ur opener looked like this: 11 SS in a row with no proc and 1 CtO proc, 3 rolls in a row of 1 buffs, and 40s in you just dropped AR and had no resources and hadnt gotten to cast KiR yet

what would you do

is that just a grapple off the edge angle or

@vivid vessel

[craggy barn]

how do u sim everyone having jastors

[glass plaza]

I think i might have too much mastery

[glass mortar]

how

did i get balls twice on stix

there was 1 person dead

???

[viscid forge]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[runic bough]

doing first mythic stix guys

any outlaw tips

just looks normal to me

adds dont die with balls

[glass mortar]

do ball mechanic correctly and boss dies

try not to light too many fires pressing kspee

[runic bough]

yeah i havnt liked ks on any boss fight so far

any fight

ever

=X

[vapid sundial]

It rotates through everyone, so you just got the 1/19 unlucky

[glass mortar]

we had

4 sets of rolls total

there is no way

thats only 16 players surely

[vapid sundial]

I'm assuming if it tries to pick the person dead it can just go to anyone

That's my guess

[glass mortar]

1 person dead

ahhh maybe

i got roll 3 and 4

i had just pressed AR

[vapid sundial]

Ye probably what it is

[glass mortar]

i was sure i was safe

[vapid sundial]

I don't see any other possibilities

Ngl I'd have instant slammed into boss

[glass mortar]

i was

very very tempted

someone in my guild said sometimes the game just assigns someone back to back

and breaks the 1 roll rule

idk if true but

i hate it here

[craggy barn]

its all luck no real rule to balls aside from the tank rule

and i think it always gets 1 healer

over the course of a raid night, one of the warlocks got like 13 balls

whereas i probably only got like 4

[glass mortar]

im 90% sure it trying to do 1 roll per person before repeats is real, at least on mythic

i have like 100 pulls on this boss now between prog and farm wipes

i have never seen the ball twice, even with people dead

on herioc plenty of times sure

maybe just turbo lucky ig

[vapid sundial]

There are rules to it.
It's supposed to cycle through everyone

But it's blizzard. So.

Just like halondrus for some reason had a heavy skew towards warriors.

Always some kind of rule

[cinder oxide]

am i just bad or is something causing me to miss the payline buff on M OAB even if im standing on top of my other melees who get the buff?

[dawn talon]

yes it does

[dusty mulch]

Should the Nightfall OH be used on heroic Gally to help kill the adds faster or is it inconsequential?

[signal crescent]

Can anyone help me figure out why i'm so bad on sprocket? I haven't be able to break 2.1mil dps on the spec despite having a simmed dps of 2.56mil dps.

Heres an example log

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/31bcpq9mX4hgTHLA?fight=48&type=damage-done&source=95

Actually i'm pretty bad in general with no raid buffs on dummy i'm only at 1.87mil dps

[vapid sundial]

Target dummy needs to be done with target dummy Sim.
It's not the same.

That boss has a lot of movement and forced downtime, sure as outlaw you mitigate with hook, but it's still there

[signal crescent]

Then what can I do? My raidleader has benched me because I'm consistently the bottom dps for that fight

[unborn turtle]

!stats

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[random stirrup]

sprocket doesn't have that much downtime does it?

it's only really if you get blue side during the 3:30 side swap

[vapid sundial]

Having to do bomb

[past falcon]

bomb is like 2 seconds

grapple grapple done

[runic bough]

mythic raiding not as fun as i thought

I knew this would be a problem for me

wiping so many time

[dusty mulch]

You've gotta have a group of people you really enjoy playing with, otherwise it's gonna be a chore

[runic bough]

i already understand mechanic yeah

not so fun

[lucid vale]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[runic bough]

makes sense

we dont have any dk

adds are all scattered =x

[keen belfry]

@craggy barn blast that top ok?

[craggy barn]

it ripped

howd u know i was in a top

spying on me?????

hmmmm

[stuck patrol]

you basically have to have your toes in the line to get the buff

you just don't want to be in the middle of the line

[drifting aspen]

hey guys, just coming back to outlaw. we use to use BF as top prio builder in big packs. this still the case or we just mainting the buff?

[gaunt phoenix]

if you have deft talented

[tulip jewel]

I hate that last tick of spree bug so much

[gaunt phoenix]

HO build doesnt use deft

[drifting aspen]

ahh okay, i was using the M+ Ho build that has deft . i just noticed the other options doesnt.

from wowhead

ill drop deft

[gaunt phoenix]

standard HO build for keys

[tulip jewel]

ethical non gs player

[drifting aspen]

the HO fatebound buld for M+ on wowhead has deft picked

the balanced one. the extra aoe build doesnt, hence my confusion

all g

[gaunt phoenix]

ho build doesnt have deft so ill talk to guy abt it

[drifting aspen]

sounds good 💪🏾

[mighty pivot]

the fatebound build needs to pick deft, no? Because you don't pick KS as FB it's either that or loaded dice

[tulip jewel]

xd

[gaunt phoenix]

naw you would get heavy hitter

[tulip jewel]

do people actually have FB HO builds posted places?

[mighty pivot]

FB HO is first build that shows on the M+ section of wowhead, so many people default to that I'd expect

[tulip jewel]

hardcore

[mighty pivot]

if anything it might be a good opportunity to rearrange the spec order for m+ since FB is noticeably behind in aoe

[gaunt phoenix]

DWARF RACIAL

caps

[jolly geyser]

Dorf

[signal ingot]

hey, you guys know if with the new dinar I can buy thing with my alter (I just killed one arm with my rogue on mythic) but want to buy house of cards for my druid, is that a thing or do I need to kill it with every character?

[strong cargo]

Your alts won't have the mythic trinkets if they didn't kill the bosses

[sonic gust]

is dwarf bis for dps or just the racial? debating on switching from NE or not

[gaunt phoenix]

its dps bis

[strong cargo]

Paladin bop, self bubble, evoker talent and dwarfs that's it

[abstract tangle]

Guys, after your advice my numbers skyrocketed and my overall performance improved a lot.
I just have a question for you: playing with KiR + Trickster build, how's your single target in M+ environment? Mine is super low (500-900k)

[teal garnet]

i find my st is better than my cleave in a lot of decent key scenarios in comparison to the meta classes

outlaw just giga consistent good damage

i also use depths enchants and a goon/magnet tho

[abstract tangle]

As a comparison I'm using double Radiant Ench + two random trinkets. I'm planning to get the motorcycle from 1st raid boss and magnet from 4th.
In your opinion: those two differences matter a lot?

[teal garnet]

i mean stuff like signet is a lot better for overall than goon

[gaunt phoenix]

whats your ilvl? at 670 you should do like 1.8-2m ST if you can just stand there

[teal garnet]

but depending on ilv yea like solo said

2m ish should be very doable

[abstract tangle]

655, full tier set, 19% haste and some leftover gear I should replace asap (like trinkets)

[teal garnet]

are u energy starved at all u feel like?

[abstract tangle]

It depends, sometimes I have perfect AR uptime, sometimes it runs out because of mechanics (like hiding behind boxes in Mechagon's 2nd boss) and I have to slow down a little

[teal garnet]

id say go hit dummies for 5 minutes and see what your meter look like, stuff like cujo if you dont manage your vanish around the box u can def get fucked

but thats just how it is

[pure folio]

are u saying u dont run KS for HO m+?

[teal garnet]

my knee jerk reaction to things being that low would be low ADR uptime, or not abusing CS windows to their fullest

but if its not adr

[gaunt phoenix]

no they just asked about fatebound

[pure folio]

ohhh

ok

i was about to be so happy man

FUCK KS

[gaunt phoenix]

one day

[mighty pivot]

[pure folio]

running that and honey buzzer makes me feel so scared

Also, i randomly got an infinite ADR during the first boss of motherlode somehow. is this a known bug that just randomly happens?

[runic bough]

honeybuzzer has a delay

before it even takes flight

such a lame restriction

[pure folio]

on top of that sometimes it bugs and just doesnt move u anywhere

[gaunt phoenix]

there is an infinite AR bug i have never seen it happen

[runic bough]

yeah I wouldnt even use it

[gaunt phoenix]

so god knows why

[pure folio]

I was so confused, it seemed recasting adr fixed it though

[glass silo]

Why is killing Spree so high prio? does it do rlly good dmg or is it for the fazed on everythign (regarding m+)

[pure folio]

I must! Myth track!!

[abstract tangle]

Got it, I'll try hitting some dummies to check my best score

[gaunt phoenix]

it gives you 2 unseen blade procs

[runic bough]

if it bugs at least once it was a wasted trinket slot

[gaunt phoenix]

it is the main thing that generates coup de grace

[pure folio]

true i suppose, i have seen people running remnant

[abstract tangle]

Killing spree = Fyr'Alath

[runic bough]

whats up with the bomb swirlies on last boss ML

they will take time to cast and others its instant no time to move

and deadge

[gaunt phoenix]

they are projectiles from the drones

if the drone is on top of you then it is nearly instant

[runic bough]

so i need to watch where the drones are

[glass silo]

What do you mean? the legendary wep? and ty for responses

[runic bough]

i see

[glass silo]

tyty

[pure folio]

yea its a travel time thing from where the drones are

[runic bough]

no wonder

[pure folio]

also how did that 3 outlaw key go

[runic bough]

really fun

laughing and giggling like a little kid

hahah

we all got on discord too

[runic bough]

#1184888068264689756 message

we all played a different build

[keen belfry]

Gn

[gaunt phoenix]

Gm

[abstract tangle]

It's like a meme. Fyr'alath, the leggo weapon for melee in DF, was a pain to play because it rooted you in place so you had to manage the best timing to use it.
I see a lot of friends dying these days... Casting a Fyr'alath while a boss was using an AoE attack.

For me, KS is like that, 2s without control while everything can actually kill you without control

[pure folio]

LMAO

[pure folio]

thats such a good idea

[runic bough]

OMG GUYS

I got a heroic orange

i need to redo heroic raid with new skills now

[abstract tangle]

A what?

[runic bough]

[glass silo]

in m+ when u go into a pack w full CP is it better 2 ambsh for the unseen blade proc/flaweless form activation or to just send BTE and if it reprocs just keep sending bte until you ambush/ss

[gaunt phoenix]

last time i tried to check it didnt seem to matter

[runic bough]

Im coming for you @rotund zodiac

Current 46

[rotund zodiac]

[gaunt phoenix]

that fight is a total shitshow

[runic bough]

i know

[gaunt phoenix]

you parse by your raid being shit

[runic bough]

but if you ignore the ball its great

[rotund zodiac]

I haven't kill Stix this week yet

[runic bough]

I need to redo it also

now that Im pretty okay with ks

my single target still shit with trickster

weird

[remote pecan]

anyone else having issues with ray traced shadows being enabled after the reset?

like this

[runic bough]

RIP

I have mine set to low

I do not have this error

[remote pecan]

it's not shadow quality it's ray traced under advanced

[runic bough]

setting to high is a waste. shadow lines smooth out on low settings.

yes I know

Ray tracing only works on shadow edges in this game.

Setting higher than low is just wasted gpu resources imo.

[remote pecan]

well apparently i have to have it off anyway since yesterday or my game world explodes

[runic bough]

hmm yeah good to make a bug report

or try set to low

[remote pecan]

tried, the moment i turn it on it's starts doing this

[runic bough]

yeah i donno

weird

what is your shadow setting at

[remote pecan]

max XD

[shut lichen]

fun fight where u can get sabotaged by your own team

[fluid meadow]

should i balance stats to other way? or is this good to play ho? what would be the minmax?

[gaunt phoenix]

dont need 24% haste

[remote pecan]

38% vers wth

[fluid meadow]

only haste thing what i can drop is one ring enchant and 2 gem from haste

[gaunt phoenix]

recraft something

[fluid meadow]

it's with vers flask up

[runic bough]

i have 40% vers with druid buff

[runic bough]

why 24% haste?

surely you can make some of that crit

at least 4% can be crit

or more

if you play HO

[fluid meadow]

played kir until now, so my haste is high, but can change to pvp neck to this way

[runic bough]

mmm

pvp neck looking juicy

I need to get that

You know a lot of ppl dying to stuff and with feint I hardly take damage

its so nice

[remote pecan]

I guess my stats are just cooked then, this is unbuffed

[runic bough]

looks like a lot of mastery

find gears to lower your master and gain crit id say

[pure folio]

depends if kir or not

how tf do u have 40% vers lol

[red zinc]

He has modifiers theres no other way

[runic bough]

stacking high vers gears

[pure folio]

im at 33% and i think almost every piece has vers

[runic bough]

and vers flask

[red zinc]

That collection of stats aint attainable with 670 gear

[runic bough]

Im also HO

so I only need 1 jewelry for haste

the rest can be crit/vers

[pure folio]

whatre all ur stat %s

im also HO..

[runic bough]

i have another ring that is heavy haste if I want to play KiR

[pure folio]

same

myth bloodoath >:)

[fluid meadow]

idk hard to hit dummy while lagging so much there( maybe something about pvp on/off every time while target hitting there) but 5 target look like this, idk if this is good or not

[pure folio]

for how long

[fluid meadow]

3 min

[runic bough]

our aoe range from 7-14mil based on ilvl

and bte procs

you wont get higher than 9mil without a bte chain though

even after the bug fix

Bf is still weak

[pure folio]

Yea id say thats about right

[runic bough]

food and flask is vers

im at 37%

with druid buff ill be 40%

[rotund zodiac]

wth

what kind of gears got you to 37% vers

[pure folio]

yea thats crazy

lmao

[rotund zodiac]

I'm sitting at 32% with flask

[runic bough]

heavy vers items so far

[runic bough]

I want to get pvp neck next

[fluid meadow]

my 2 fingers and neck gives 22% vers lmao

[pure folio]

u dont just craft neck?

[runic bough]

well look at my items they are heavy vers

also nobody uses alchemist stone except me

which is 1600 vers

[stiff hawk]

BUT ITS BAD

[runic bough]

i dont care

[pure folio]

lol 😭

[stiff hawk]

[tranquil hemlock]

[runic bough]

all trinkets, embelishments, weapon procs were nerfed in TWW.

could care less

[stiff hawk]

but based

[runic bough]

stat stick is fine

[pure folio]

for ur ho haste % do u go off what ur character sheet tells u or what it says when u hover over it @runic bough

[runic bough]

the percent is shown

[olive plank]

have you guys raided as combat

[fluid meadow]

sadly 2 items can't be looted in higher ilvl and really not have any item with those stats in game

[pure folio]

why is mine 15%

[olive plank]

and did killing spree greif your team or naw

[pure folio]

if it shows 13..

[runic bough]

for trickster they say to sim your haste amount

[olive plank]

im considering raiding as combat instead of assassination

or sub

[runic bough]

My sim also chose low haste

so

I guess it didnt matter

[pure folio]

it can

it kills yourself more than anything

[olive plank]

guess thats a problem for everyone else to deal with

oh

wait

thats not very based

is there any way to prevent KS from killing yourself as a combat rogue

[runic bough]

killingspree is so bad, everyone in the game knows it kills us.

[olive plank]

or is it just a case of iiwii

[pure folio]

know the fights and timers, hope other people dont kill u when u use it

[olive plank]

https://tenor.com/view/eh-meh-jim-jim-halpert-the-office-gif-5621418030291735983

[pure folio]

and ur 2 min cd.. cloak!!

[astral wind]

Are you meaning to say outlaw and being edgy or are you talking about classic?

[runic bough]

yeah they say not to hold it but then there are mechanics it will insta kill you and you are forced to hold so

[pure folio]

yea...

[olive plank]

oh i mean outlaw

i keep thinking of it as combat

i last played during wotlk

[runic bough]

yeah we used to be combat back then

[runic bough]

oh nice jewelrys

i want that pvp neck

will get me closer to 40% vers without druid buff

but will lose 20 ilvls

wait

lets see how much stam i will lose

21668 on craft neck

[fluid meadow]

yeah, but i play delve trinket, 5% vers if procc it's around 18-20% uptime, so with druid and procc it's 48%, i really hate use trinkets so i'm fine with this

[runic bough]

17449 on pvp neck

so

we also lose 3k stamina

id rather take the vers honestly

pvp neck ill need to farm this weekend

gn late night outlaws

time for bedge

[astral wind]

That's what cheats for 😎

[red zinc]

Im really struggling to see what the point of this whole belt is

Every single proc is worse than just having stats

and it has no stamina

if its a delve thing at least make it do something in delves

[olive plank]

but cheat only works once

and then youre deadge on the next KS

did a floodgate today the miniboss fish guy has all the bubbles

KS is immune to the bubbles popping but then you get a dot on you

and you die afterwards 💀

20% vers didnt save me

[stiff hawk]

Healer fault

If you have a dot

he has to Heal

[opal raven]

You can cos the dot 🙏

[olive plank]

yea

that only works on the first wave of bubbles tho

and then youd die on the second wave

ask me how i know

[silk stirrup]

Hey guys, does crackshot dispatch even if I'm not in melee range?

[wintry solar]

yes

[tender wedge]

yeah your gun actually fires a little blade as well as the bullet, pretty cool

[stiff hawk]

Like this weapon in Borderlands

[olive plank]

huge missed opportunity they didnt call outlaw gunslinger

it basically plays like one

[tender wedge]

give it another couple of reworks

[wintry solar]

I like outlaw with more balance of guns/swords

otherwise its just MM with 100 apm

[mighty pivot]

add gunblades just for outlaw

[sour vault]

or, you know, just introduce a passive for crackshot dispatch that's not called dispatch to avoid confusion about having to be in melee range or not.

[wintry solar]

you really can just 2 and 2 together and realize what sense would it make to have the "melee" portion of crackshot require you to be in melee range when the ability its tied to is ranged

[sour vault]

you realize that statement works both ways and it still is ambiguous?

[wintry solar]

Negative, blizz doesnt do that

theyre not going to make an ability and have half the talent just not work depending on position

[rustic lotus]

I guess if u get 20% haste you really should just go whole hog into verse

[split jolt]

Perhaps a silly question - on archon I see all the crafts are haste vers but the recommended talents are HO which only requires 8-10%. Is the explanation these people must play KIR or have they just not recrafted?

[sour vault]

no that's not what I meant, I mean they can tie something ranged to it, so it's clear.

[rustic lotus]

I don’t even know how much verse I got I just know it ain’t 40 lmao

[sour vault]

but meh, semantics

[rustic lotus]

I looked up my armory and I’m only at 20% base ur fucking nuts lmao

[sour vault]

the explanation is: you need a base amount of haste which varies for HO/KiR so pick haste if you are still short on haste, but as always, sim it.

[rustic lotus]

What he said

[sour vault]

on most guides haste is listed as the preferred stat because you really want to hit that baseline

[split jolt]

yeah im on 10% unbuffed

[sour vault]

thats okay for HO but low for KiR iirc

[split jolt]

i know thats the breakpoint for HO its just that recommended build on archon is HO but the stats are still vers haste

yeah KIR is 17-20

so do people have higher so they can swap between

[novel socket]

anyone knows any rogue tricks for mythic sprocket ?

[sour vault]

I guess, or they just don't sim often, or they don't have other options

[split jolt]

im leaning towards them not having recrafted

and have the option of KiR

[sour vault]

I'm not a good simmer myself but it could also be that other stats don't offer much, so it doesn't really matter what you pick at some point

if you have plenty haste it's just easier to replace another piece with other stats when the opportunity rises

[round wharf]

Sorry to interrupt and this might be a dumb question but I wanted some clarification; outlaw gets all of its aoe damage from blade flurry cleave correct? Got a buddy that thinks killing spree attacks multiple targets so I wanted to clarify for him

[mighty pivot]

KS will cleave through BF, otherwise it doesn't hit more than 1 target

[wintry solar]

yeah so technically hes not wrong

[tacit pier]

!bug

[ornate heath]

[Outlaw bug Thread](#1276315296159760467 message)

[round wharf]

Sweet thanks! I haven't been playing this spec long so I had an existential break for a sec lol

[glass silo]

Im seeing on murlok io a mix of kir and ho builds, is it chanegd based on dungeon or jsut pref?

[still matrix]

I think i can drop some crit for vers, need to try get after the pvp neck

[mighty pivot]

you don't swap between HO and KIR based on the dungeon, it's just a playstyle preference

[still matrix]

Can you cloak the curse on 2nd boss rookery, pre-cloak to make it dissapear like dk ams?

[stiff hawk]

You can if it get passed to you afaik, but if you do it as first person to get it, someones lese gets it

But that also is the same for AMS

[glass silo]

House of cards sims prety well for me, does main gauche count w blade flurry?

[tender wedge]

yes it does flurry

[glass silo]

tyty

[novel socket]

https://x.com/Archimtiros/status/1920604606179987456

Archimtiros (@Archimtiros) on X

The new Titan Disc Belt seems perfectly balanced, no issues here whatsoever.

X · May 8, 2025, 10:19 PM

outlaw bis

surely

[glass silo]

does any1 have a weakaura to switch weapon on boss fights? for the nightfall wep 😄

[split jolt]

#showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Everforged Stabber

[median shoal]

there isnt, I logged my outlaw, didnt play wow for few months, first key of the season rookery last boss, ks myself into narnia and cant clear pillar > log out

[split jolt]

in pinned for future reference

[glass silo]

tyty

[hidden bay]

what is this?

[novel socket]

the delve belt

[hidden bay]

how get and when?

[novel socket]

we dont know any details

it was datamined

most likely it will be like circlet

but from delves

ilvl upgradable

[hidden bay]

i thought

corruptions were meant to be that

[novel socket]

its coming next major patch i think

[rotund zodiac]

anyone wanna run +10 for weekly?

[hidden bay]

oh .2?

[novel socket]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/overcharged-delves-and-the-titan-disc-belt-possible-new-borrowed-power-in-patch-376669

wowhead post

[wintry solar]

Cba to enchant my gear with corruptions tbh

[novel socket]

isn't only helmet ?

[hidden bay]

oh

[novel socket]

that gets the corruption enchant

[wintry solar]

Idk

[hidden bay]

.7 is not a major patch

[wintry solar]

No

[novel socket]

with all the stuff that are coming i thought it was

corruptions, belt, turbo stuff ilvl upgrades

[hidden bay]

propping up delves for .7 is good call

[wintry solar]

11.1.7 has everything 11.1.5 was advertised to have

[hidden bay]

delves have potential to be actual good content

rather than releasing another wtf siren isle

[novel socket]

i dont like borrowed power tbh

[hidden bay]

this is fine

having a 2 month grind for them wasnt

its a bit worrying how there are no class changes posted again

[novel socket]

ye idk what they are doing with tuning

[hidden bay]

they do tuning

they havent done changes tho

[novel socket]

maybe they are waiting

to see the effect of all this power

they are dropping on us

[hidden bay]

nothing to do with power

fixing KS/trickster/fatebound and other shit other classes have

changes changes, not buffing by 3%

[nova basin]

wtf. tank leaves mid combat in DFC because i ask him to move 15yds after wax pools get put down on 3rd boss to help with killing spree.. what is tank ego these days.

is that an unreasonable request? xD

[formal crest]

KS would be actually very cool if they change animation to not change angles and jump around.

But I guess thats not easy to change for devs

[olive plank]

ive had the opposite experience

where ive been griefing my firends and randoms on floodgate

killing spree CAN and WILL yank someone into the frontal the swamp boss does

[warm sapphire]

Did you say "please can you move 15yards so I don't kill myself pressing KS?" or "TaNk MoOoOvEE"?

[hidden bay]

i usually just say stop trolling

then get extremely pissed they dont get what i meant and leave

works great for tanks chainpulling with 1 mob on 3% hp and tank not moving boss from mechanics

[hard thicket]

weak aura

[hasty warren]

yo

[nova basin]

i asked politely before the pull, i pinged where i thought an optimal position was, when he didnt move i said tank please move.. then it went to move please... then it went to, you are gimping my dps by not moving and he left.

[sour vault]

he was probably very tired and needed a break

bad timing on their part

[glass silo]

Ks is just troll design looks exactly like blade dance but blade dance doesn't move u around so idgi

It's funny to use when hovglibins r target u or propeller spray from 3rd boss ML on you

[crisp condor]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[lusty sparrow]

Should I play vdh to learn tanking or will I be labeled as a good little sheep

[leaden folio]

do what you want because a pirate is free

[hasty warren]

i'd recomand war for learning because it's simple to play

but dh is not bad too

play what u want

[rocky summit]

Hey guys, how rippy pressing is in m+/raid? I am thinking about leveling outlaw, but this exact button looks like a complete loss of control and pray to rng gods not to appear on the frontal/explosion/ground dot/whatever after exit. Is it as bad, as it looks?

[red zinc]

It is overdoomed but it still sucks

plenty scenarios where you can safely press but it is a bit of a minigame within the already active outlaw rotation

[quick grove]

Just getting into Outlaw myself, can highly vouch for the fun of the spec but the APM, punishment for getting it wrong and the KS risks are for sure a lot to get used to

Not sure why they didn't give KS an animation similar to Blade Dance on DH

[desert tendon]

@vivid vessel today is holiday here

[pliant wind]

or like secret technique, summon clones attacking at fast speed idk

[desert tendon]

whatcha gonna do bozo

[glass mortar]

gm censi

i hope ur having a wonderful holiday

[steady crane]

Hi ! I didn't play outlaw for a long moment and i was wondering how it feel on low level keys and does it rely a lot on stealth/opening or not? 😄

[proven ocean]

Ok

[hasty warren]

yo zeross

[proven ocean]

Dont yo me

What do u want

[hasty warren]

[proven ocean]

Jk hi elfinor

[hasty warren]

I just wanted to be kind with u

[proven ocean]

[hasty warren]

[proven ocean]

I JUST WANTED TO THROW A DONT YO ME FOR ONCE OK IM SORRY

[hasty warren]

ok I accept this

[proven ocean]

ty cuh

[hasty warren]

[tranquil hemlock]

[desert tendon]

YO ZERO

[glass mortar]

very good in low keys

outlaw is pretty agnostic to key difficulty because it doesnt benifit from the way u do keys at the highest end, it just always does very strong damage

CD specs tend to get devalued in low keys where their cds get wasted on overkill of mobs

restealths are nice when they are convienent but outlaw is not super reliant on them

[hasty warren]

good instant aoe damage

[steady crane]

When I get a sword i think i'll give it a shot 🙂

[proven ocean]

dont yo me

Guys can we keep it low im trying to sleep

[glass mortar]

zeross what kinda soup r u selling

?

[proven ocean]

Cat soup

[glass mortar]

is

is it for cats or...

[proven ocean]

Well cats can eat it too..

[glass mortar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1019436417564299341/1098359913878659212/SPOILER_attachment.gif

[desert tendon]

ok sorry zerocool

[proven ocean]

BRO

[desert tendon]

🤭

i m happi that you re finally r1 rogue zerocool

finally assa is good enough

gg

[proven ocean]

I was playing with nnoggie yesterday and he thought i was zerocool for the entire week

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

Like

He genuinely thought i was him

[desert tendon]

LOL

[proven ocean]

He said like

Theres no way zerocool has 2 rogues that are geared

[desert tendon]

btw zero

i built something new

[proven ocean]

Then he said oooh its another zero

[desert tendon]

wanna see?

[proven ocean]

Yea fast i wanna take a nap

Cuh

[desert tendon]

currently building the whole mountain below

uwu

[proven ocean]

Building a mountain

[late swallow]

[proven ocean]

Wtf

[desert tendon]

[proven ocean]

[desert tendon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/577953686995730443/1370103778866368574/image.png?ex=681ef0d4&is=681d9f54&hm=829ee8a4430a20ab188cc2c46b716cc9df76767a2ce865b3b55c38c98ba00161&

[late swallow]

Is that the monk sanctuary in kun lai?

[desert tendon]

looks better by night

[proven ocean]

🥀

Ok i go take a nap

Gn

[late swallow]

<gn>

[cold jewel]

yo zero

[desert tendon]

Yo zero

[late swallow]

hey zeross

[desert tendon]

how can u be that bad to fuck up a 2 letters word somnius?

[late swallow]

U mad?

https://tenor.com/view/bitch-angelic-sam-world-peanut-arbuckle-pineapple-man-go-nuts-peace-argon-sweezy-tweezle-im-unnarcumptious-gif-25776489

[desert tendon]

no i aint mad

u just bad

[vivid vessel]

wait

i heard about this guild

isnt that the canceled guild

[late swallow]

Their CE clearance sales are great

[zealous plinth]

Can we make another wowhead Post that KS needs a rework? just depleted psf 17 cause it pulled in last Room

[polar kelp]

That's user error

[late swallow]

Just use coupon code FOREVERGUY69 to get an extra 15% off of your mythic gallywix mount

[glass mortar]

we have used our wowhead post CD

it wont be back up till 12.0 at least

[polar kelp]

Don't you know you have to start on the farthest mob away and jump backwards before you hit KS

Stupid skill...

[glass mortar]

it is funny that unholy dk is meh in raid and demolishing keys and they make a puff piece about "the state of dk" mid season tho

a wowhead article about kspree and all its... wonders... would go so hard

[vivid vessel]

they are doing that for every spec tho ?

[glass mortar]

did we do one yet?

if thats the case

[vivid vessel]

stupid boy !

no

[glass mortar]

[late swallow]

Assa had one

[glass mortar]

then thats the perfect place (literally)

[vivid vessel]

stupid ass !

gooner ass stupid !

[glass mortar]

except maybe guy shouldnt be the main writer for it? no offense to guy, i just dont get the energy hes playing outlaw much this season so he might not know all the place kspree has pain points

[late swallow]

Nah weran is cool and smart

[late swallow]

Unironically a good point

[glass mortar]

but he should definitly take a look at it and vet it to make sure its not too unhinged

[vivid vessel]

stupid monkey !

[glass mortar]

to make sure we dont come off bad

[late swallow]

Solo should ghostwrite it for guy

[vivid vessel]

wonder who ghostwrote last kaynye song

thoughts ?

[late swallow]

The cousin one?

Wasn’t that zeross?

[vivid vessel]

nah the other one 💀

have you not heard the other one ?

no way right

[glass mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/524189841026580480/1370126800516284548/youd-better-not-v0-qgb77x8jrkze1.png?ex=681f0644&is=681db4c4&hm=44fc58bf8e28cc10b66dc4e3ff40e742bef6183bbbaecf1aa98fcda675e7e5b1&

[zealous plinth]

Tank error, tanking to close he said it himself ^^

[late swallow]

I heard he says some charitable things about certain german groups from the early-mid 20th century

[vivid vessel]

something like that ye

[glass mortar]

the ghosts in his brain only

[late swallow]

I still listen to ye every single day btw

College dropout goated record

[late swallow]

This is really good lmao

[vivid vessel]

admitting you listen to kaynye in 2025

bold move

(some of my favorite songs are from him)

[late swallow]

His first 3 albums are bulletproof bro

[desert tendon]

i only listen to zac's playlist in 2025

based

[late swallow]

Literally goated hip hop records

[glass mortar]

kayne was good now its just sad tho

idk why people listen to him now

man needs help but he wont seek it and people arent gunna offer it to him

[vivid vessel]

kaynye is litteraly a social experiment bro

i refuse to believe

its a real human person

[glass mortar]

not rlly

why?

[vivid vessel]

because its crazy ?

[glass mortar]

its really not that crazy, the guy is unironically crazy

yes extremely mentally unwell people are crazy

why is that crazy

[vivid vessel]

litteraly weirdest human from this century idk

[glass mortar]

hes had bipolar disorder for like a decade and been off his meds for the last 4 years or so?

[late swallow]

Idk about weirdest, he just has the public eye on him a lot

[inner stump]

musk is probably weirder

[late swallow]

Musk is unironically weirder yes

Or zuckerberg

[inner stump]

that one too, dude is a robot

[glass mortar]

ye is normal brand crazy, its very easy to see how hes ended up where he is

musk is actually just like an alien tho

[vivid vessel]

half of us personalities rn are batshit crazy

[glass mortar]

its not great here cuh

🥹

[vivid vessel]

imagine you wake up one day

and you are american

would rather wake up french fr

[glass mortar]

well lets not go overboard....

theres plenty of places id wish to be before french

[vivid vessel]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[vivid vessel]

bro there is no way im farming 1k gilded

how do you guys do it

[late swallow]

We’re not

[civic zephyr]

Apparently he is getting help atm

[glass mortar]

i do it by not trying to do it all in 1 week because they r giving us an insane amount of power next week with zero "more difficult" content to need it for

[late swallow]

Idk man, he’s hanging out with sneako and he just crashed out on a piers morgan interview

[glass mortar]

so i cba spending 15 hours week 1 grinding out full upgrades for all my gear

[vivid vessel]

they arent tho ?

next week its gonna be even harder for me to get more gear

cause everyone will be higher ilvl

but not me

[grim spear]

[glass mortar]

wat

[vivid vessel]

how is next week making it easier

[late swallow]

I heard Zac is rerolling aug

[glass mortar]

oh you meant on ur alt

[vivid vessel]

yes

idk im desesperate

[late swallow]

Your aug alt?

[glass mortar]

go delve noob

[vivid vessel]

i need to gear it to enter alt raid

but

idk

[glass mortar]

delve for a month and you'll be caught up

💅

[vivid vessel]

i would need to do about 100 keys rn ?

[glass mortar]

or make some friends

to carry ur rats

[vivid vessel]

thats impossible ?

[glass mortar]

me and my friends do rat shenangins all the time

they have like 4 alt alt alt raids now

[fallen knot]

next week we blast 100 keys zac

[split jolt]

im guessing we never reroll bones whilst in crackshot window?

[glass mortar]

no you do

u follow normal rules pretty much

for rerolling

[fallen knot]

there is probably a question like that in the outlaw faq

and there is an answer

[glass mortar]

#1276311464956788736 message

indeed

[split jolt]

ah so it does

looked in wrong place

[vapid vault]

OAB deadge in 123

[glass mortar]

gzz

we killed it the other day too. onto the real endboss of the season

mugzee 🫡

[vapid vault]

from the few pulls we did last night on mugzee, it doesnt seem like itll last very long

😛

[vivid vessel]

@glass mortar trying to do a 11 delve

i just get one shot by the end boss now

..

[glass mortar]

as dps?

[vivid vessel]

yes

[glass mortar]

why

r u doing it as dps

[muted breach]

Hey, is this talent something that just adds 5cp to your dispatch no matter how many cp u used on ur dispatch, or does it still follow the rules of having an max cp to be used for dispatch ?

[glass mortar]

just go healer

[vivid vessel]

what

tank you mean or

[glass mortar]

healers even easier then tank

but sure u can do tank

both are easier then dps

[glass mortar]

it adds 5 cp but you still follow finisher rules except for if you will press SS

(its easier to just read the rule for casting coup in the FaQ tho)

[bronze parcel]

is mechano core amplifier delve trinket actually good and simming correctly? i heard a lot about it at start of the season but nobody mentions it much anymore, I have a hero track on and it with pacemaker is outsimming everything else i have

[glass mortar]

i mean delve trinkets are good yes, just not available at mythic ilvl

but also that trinket i dont believe is particualrly good for us, its probably fine

probably depends what other trinkets u have

keep in mind no trinket is amazing for us this season

our best trinkets are all within like 0.2% of the next best trinkets

there is no outlier super strong trinkets

[muted breach]

Is dispatch max dmg at 7cp?

[glass mortar]

no

there is no finisher damage max, all finisher damage can scale up past ur CP cap, the CP cap just limits your ability to increase their damage

so anything generally that says a finisher will act like it consumed additional CP doesnt care about the CP cap

[muted breach]

ohhh thats a nice quality to have, then i can just follow regular rotation for cp, tyty

[polar kelp]

So what's everyone gonna grab next week with dinars? I'm going myth track vexie trinket

[vivid vessel]

@glass mortar this is stupid ?

i take 0 damage as tank

how are dps supposed to do delves

[glass mortar]

scaling for 11s is fine if u do them at the ilvl recommended to u but yea

healers and tanks have it way easier

idk i guess u could say its a failure of difficulty scaling in some ways

u can do 11s as like a 600 ilvl healer btw

[vivid vessel]

i get litteraly one shot by 2 melees as a dps

but as tank i dont even press my buttons ?

at all

and i do not lose a single hp

[polar kelp]

Working as intended, reroll tank

Blizz needs more tanks

[vivid vessel]

bruh i hate gearing up thios shit is so bad

also brew has so many buttons tf

[signal crescent]

Over the course of 3 weeks and doing nothing but hanging with my girl or doing my own keys. Specifically 10s to 12s.

[glass mortar]

i told u brew is wildin

very fun to play. you have so many rotational dps buttons

[vapid blaze]

wich of the zeros is this one xD

[vivid vessel]

what

there is only one zeross

wdym

[vapid blaze]

ah so its "ours" i guess?

[reef forge]

zerocool is the real one

[sweet badge]

Zeross is just Zerocool without a cam

[blissful zinc]

Zac can u send me ur m+ wa the one u use please

[hybrid crown]

What bugs me is when people send screenshots about clearing underpin ?? And they are so often a tank

[vivid vessel]

https://wago.io/3hAleA3Mp

[blissful zinc]

Ty ❤️

[glass mortar]

well underpinn isnt rlly hard as any role

its only hard for dps because they think the fight is about dpsing

u dont even really take damage. the whole fight is just dodge aoes and kick bombs into adds

[pliant wind]

Myth Sinister codex or hero pacemaker?

[glass mortar]

u can take 15 minutes to do it (my friend who is crazy did it at like 630 ilvl for fun)

very boring fight

[pliant wind]

i dont know i always use hero pacemaker but myth sinister sims more

[glass mortar]

which trinket is sinister codex?

i dont know of any trinkets u cant just trust sims for this season

[pliant wind]

grim codex

sorry

[leaden folio]

if i remember correctly it look like top trinket

[pliant wind]

i took this because i only had 1 myth loot at vault that week

[glass mortar]

oh i mean its fine

[pliant wind]

i never used it, i always used pacemaker hero

[glass mortar]

ive heard its annoying to use but it should sim accuratly

[pliant wind]

but 550 more agility is good i guess

even if the use is not that good

gonna try this

[quasi chasm]

Guys saw a post on wowhead about a few big bugs with outlaw, are they fixed?

[pliant wind]

yeah

is much better now

KS still there, but it deals nice dps

[quasi chasm]

ty! good to know

[jade abyss]

In m+ I see wound poison picked quite often, what are its usage in the current season of dungeons?

[vivid vessel]

the last 4 mobs in brew dungeon

that heals

if they are under 52?% they wont heal to max

if you have it talented

[reef forge]

do you need to tab target between all 4 mobs or is the poisons spread through flurry?

[vivid vessel]

flurry

all poisons

[reef forge]

nice

[cinder relic]

It's likely just a remnant of a default talent setup from previous seasons where sanguine and shit existed, or other seasons where the anti heal was useful

The alternative utility talents aren't op exactly sk

[red zinc]

under 48%

wtf is this realm

[scenic hound]

do we have to KS as its just getting me killled on multiple bosses in m+

[cinder relic]

U have to play KS yes

[novel socket]

yes we have to

[cinder relic]

2 options, learn what kills u and delay your stuff properly, or use KS at 1-2 CP during sketchy moments

[fossil pagoda]

is KS getting reworked or fixed ?

[gaunt phoenix]

Probably

[fossil pagoda]

i hope so

[gaunt phoenix]

dunno when

[frank finch]

100 %

when is the question

[zealous plinth]

hopefully soon

[tight kernel]

Is there anything to fish out of delves currently?

[zealous plinth]

still wondering when it's worth to hold vs sending not at full CP^^

[glass mortar]

there is no optimal way to send it without full CP

you send it at low cp if your options are not press it for several seconds, or die

the optimization only exists insofar as trying to prevent u from dying

its never a dps gain over sending it at full cp and just not dying

it can be a dps gain over holding it for like 5-6s for a mechanic tho

[zealous plinth]

That’s what I’m thinking about, like for how Long it’s better to hold

[glass mortar]

its really a feels thing idk if we have any solid number for that or will

@vivid vessel might have some feedback for how he plays it

i imagine he pretty much sends it at low cp whenever he would need to hold it at all, or sends at max cp

[zealous plinth]

Currently when a mechanic happens I just send if my ks will prob finish before the mechanic hits

But it prob would be better to wait and send at Full cp after the mechanic

But not sure about this cause we lose the cdr ^^

[glass mortar]

yea i cant really give you a math answer this isnt rlly something u can sim

its all feels

[crisp condor]

Is it full CP or 6+ CP?

[glass mortar]

id tend towards sending it at low cp if you ever feel ur gunna need to press at least 1 finisher with kspree off cd

[vivid vessel]

if i can send it at low cp instead of holding i will

[glass mortar]

normal finisher rules

[zealous plinth]

Yeah I know otherwise I would have simmed it 🤣

[vivid vessel]

holding is worse

[zealous plinth]

Thanks that’s a good answer, so basically you do like I do atm ^^

[zealous plinth]

6+

[crisp condor]

Yeah okay that's what I thought. Just checking since "full" was what was said earlier

[zealous plinth]

For ho 5

[crisp condor]

Thanks!

[zealous plinth]

Same as finisher rule

[wicked obsidian]

according to the simulation it approximiatly like this: sending KS always with 1CP would be ~3% dps loss in PW dn DS, not sending KS at all would be ~19% loss in PW and ~23% loss in DS

so of course this is according simc and theoretical 🙂

[glass mortar]

sure it doesnt really answer the question we are asking tho

i think the closest we can get was zac simmed artificially increasing kspree cd by like 20% to simulate holding every kspree for mechanics

[zealous plinth]

But if sending at 1CP always is only 3% loss it prob def is better to always send at low cp if mechanic happens. If its safe

[glass mortar]

and it was like a 6 or 7% loss or something

yea

i would always tend towards "do what you need to to send on cd"

as outlaw

[slim hare]

omg i came back to try
doing quest, crashing when using ks on a slope in open world

nice one blizzard

[glass mortar]

especially with ur shorter CDS like kspree/ghostly

you very quickly start losing full uses of the ability with any delay

[fallen knot]

ok so the tech is send ks whenever is basically up not matter on how much kkp you have

[latent oak]

also sometimes happens if the mob is in water :))))

[fallen knot]

right

cp*

[glass mortar]

if u can without dying

low CP if you will die at a high cp one

[fallen knot]

but like

[glass mortar]

high cp else

[fallen knot]

prio is

[zealous plinth]

This

[fallen knot]

ks always but when you have 2x vanish

right

or no

[glass mortar]

i think the sim will send kspree always if its available with vanish off cd and AR isnt going to fall off

but the situation ur talking about is very rare, probably amost never happens in sims

[zealous plinth]

Mhm did anyone try sim ks at any CP if we are at 2 vanish charges? So we can enter vanish faster?

[glass mortar]

because its largely good rolls + restealths of a dungeon that let u have kspree off cd with 2 charges of vanish

[fallen knot]

no yea ofc you will never have 2x vanihs

[glass mortar]

so its kinda hard to say

[fallen knot]

but like at the very start of anything

you will have 2x vanish

and ks

[wicked obsidian]

the standard sim always send KS with finisher rule as far as i understand

[glass mortar]

mhm

yea of course