outlaw

[red zinc]

wrong

just be much better

[desert tendon]

being better at padding is being better at something

so bad you re just not good zac

[barren scaffold]

!macros

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[wicked obsidian]

outlaw (Lorpax) is n1 overall at stix, so clear that blizz doesn't fix anything

[gaunt phoenix]

whats wrong

[cinder relic]

Oh I haven't filled my victim quota today

So I've come here to complain solo

[hasty warren]

yo pirates

[late swallow]

if monsters inc energy cans took victim seethe

this place would be a gold mine

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-inc-lips-sucked-gif-15804210

[glass mortar]

Sounds like something a noob would say or

Ur guild doesn't let u cancel ur roll yet????

[harsh quartz]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[runic bough]

I'm not a pirate and I take offense to this.

Outlaw was meant to be a dual weilding ninja

[hasty warren]

u're not my homie anymore

[runic bough]

Not some cracker with a bird sailing the seas

[runic bough]

I'm hurt

[red zinc]

@gaunt phoenix more customization i knew it

gotta complete this quest though

soon

[bright crane]

What does the Use do?

[red zinc]

working on it!

[naive glacier]

hey basic question here do we use between the eyes outside of vanish windows ?

[red zinc]

depends on build and what buffs you have, see faq

#outlaw-faq

[naive glacier]

thx

[ornate kernel]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[bright crane]

The belt proc is unlikely to be BF’d right?

Can’t tell if it’s a dot

[red zinc]

also

ill check all that

when ig et it

locked behind quests

[hasty warren]

sry man but it's the ryles

rules*

[glass mortar]

Has any damage proc ever bfd

Yes there is a 99.9999% chance it doesn't bf

[wicked obsidian]

but you can killing spree the proc

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble ty for the trickster tech

its actually so much better than fatebound

[red zinc]

HUH

man you need to do all the delves to find out the effects

wowhead can do that shit

[vivid vessel]

[gaunt phoenix]

what is trickster tech !

[vivid vessel]

trickster on mugzee

is 10 times better

but until then most (me aswell) played fate

cause idk

the boss is mega cringe with ks

[dawn talon]

but its sooo annoying

[vivid vessel]

it is

also

i have a funny thing

one sec

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxFd91AqIGrfk-5hzz2-LbYvAgjV8-oPRK?si=z-scuKlfpgIbtuNP @fathom bramble

so you can vanish the frontal right

but if you stay in stealth

it disapear

[fathom bramble]

weird

[vivid vessel]

ye idk

i thought that since we were stoping dps a bit

i would stay in stealth for a few secondes

[silent marsh]

i was wondering what happend there xd

[glass mortar]

Wait why is trickster so much better on mugzee

[silent marsh]

was watching

[glass mortar]

Is there real cleave on the fight

[fathom bramble]

fatebound loses damage whenever the bombs or other add are nearby anyway

[glass mortar]

On m

[vivid vessel]

there is some cleave but also very often imune adds

[fathom bramble]

and it's A LOT if the boss is close to a shielded add for a long time

[glass mortar]

Oh the bombs are targetable but fukin invulnerable

Gdi I forgot

Why do these things need hp bars

[fathom bramble]

the other add that has the 99% DR as well

[glass mortar]

????

Crazy how something this minor just deactivates like 5% of ur st

Whenever they exist

Fatebound is so trash

[red zinc]

aw hell nah

[desert tendon]

Nice ks @vivid vessel

[red zinc]

aight so

[hollow garnet]

I haven't been following outlaw in a while, is RtB allowed inside of subterfuge windows now?

[red zinc]

this belt is ass

lets hope they dont buff it

[glass mortar]

Oh wow that's like

This is peak

[vivid vessel]

cant do much about it

[red zinc]

for reference

no stats and no stamina

[glass mortar]

I hope this belt is bis into next tier

[desert tendon]

just dont press ks, easy fix

kappa

[glass mortar]

And requires doing more delves for more powers in 11.2

[desert tendon]

ks last so long still it s unwatchable ngl

make me uncomfy

[random stirrup]

have you vanished with a spear on you before

[vivid vessel]

what spear

ok

im here to report

[random stirrup]

on mugzee

[vivid vessel]

i dont think swapping the weapon

on gally

is worth it

idk it doesnt do damage

thats even with the big add pop in p1 with a lot of adds

hgme

[glass mortar]

Vanish does a lot of the heavy lifting yea

[random stirrup]

if you vanish the spear it will disappear but still go off

but for some reason it only disappears like 4s in?

very confusing

[brisk canopy]

Yup

[vivid vessel]

AH

[halcyon bison]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen belfry]

weran can you sub to my youtube i have 15 subs and average 20 views a video

im almost there

[glass mortar]

!

Link ur page babe

[dawn talon]

i got u

[glass mortar]

So I can report you for advertising in the wrong section of discord

And get you banned

[dawn talon]

[glass mortar]

🫡

[keen belfry]

guys its @keen belfryawangawangaw

whoops

youtube .com / @keen belfryawangawangaw

not real link so cant ban me

[glass mortar]

Oh no wonder I wasn't subbed I typed awangawangawangawang

1 too many awangs, classic

[keen belfry]

come one come all

see the limits of NA LFG

WR 1100 raiding

my thumbnail game is so so good

[dawn talon]

just casually uploading a key w/ meteos?

chiiilll

[glass mortar]

Omg colab

! I didn't know u were famous awang

[keen belfry]

yeah nbd

its whatever

nbd

[glass mortar]

Meteos said hi to me in feral discord once

Or we'll he said hi and I was one of a lot of people who had said omg it's meteos above him

So basically he directly waved to me

[glass mortar]

LOL

[hollow temple]

[glass mortar]

How was ur dps tho

[west dirge]

to what spell would be best to macro geargrinder's spare keys?

[keen belfry]

i absolutely fucked that key

[glass mortar]

None

Dedicated bind

[keen belfry]

i need to see what last boss pump is for outlaw

i did 2.61 and i felt like i had perma buffs and good play

[west dirge]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[tender marten]

why not recast during subterfuge with deft manouevers

thought it was a way to get more BTE

[cinder relic]

Oh I think that part should be removed

1sec

@vivid vessel can confirm?

remnant of logic from old builds

[tender marten]

righto makes sense ty

[proven ocean]

i think this explains BF without deft being talentedd in aoe

same with assa rogue where u dont ideally want to press rupture during kingsbane

its not like ur not gonna press it if that happens

u still have to refresh it

but u dont want to end up in that situation

[tender marten]

yeh if u click off deft it removes that condition

so maybe its reversed

[midnight widget]

for the weapon from the new event, can one get that as a drop on hero track or is the purchasable one the highest ilvl

[random stirrup]

it's not reversed, deft was just bad enough before you only wanted to press it when it gave 5cp or more

i think it's a bit more relaxed now that deft is bugfixed

but solo would know

[bright crane]

lol apparently Aug is running 2pc/2pc and its omega broken

[tranquil hemlock]

yep

[bright crane]

Somebody in my guild said it’s 25% gain? Is that true

That seems not right

[keen belfry]

@past falcon ill get resil 16s for you soon

[past falcon]

😄

[keen belfry]

😄

[cold jewel]

bro no one ever answered me

tf u want me to do

[vivid vessel]

@daring oxide I was playing terrible cause very tired so idk how that even happen but

here

[late swallow]

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble actually

is it outlaw supremacy on every boss

[past falcon]

[cold jewel]

Tomellis strikes again

[fathom bramble]

if you can play well on law, execute the fight, and not die to KS 👌

probably not something most sin rogues are ever doing

[vivid vessel]

nvm we are losing some bosses

most bosses

wtf

i regained sproket supremacy tho !

the patchwerk boss

for the patchwerk spec

huge

[runic bough]

Zac will be all 1 before he even reached bis ilvl

[vivid vessel]

i have all r1 rn expect bandit

oh and first boss i guess

first boss is too hard

[runic bough]

Which ones do u use fate for besides sprocket?

[vivid vessel]

sprocket

[late swallow]

FB is a loss for all bosses except for sprocket ryu

[runic bough]

I really hate it on all the bosses

[past falcon]

question

are arms warriors any good high keys rn

like actually any good

[vivid vessel]

i dont think so

[runic bough]

War dps is always viable

Like ret and mage

Always

[past falcon]

yea but like

[glass mortar]

they r def worse then ret

[runic bough]

Every season

[past falcon]

theyre always 1.5 mil below me and the hunter

overall

[glass mortar]

and wdym we've had like 3 seasons in a row of warrior not being close to meta

[past falcon]

are THEY hitting corpses or am i finding shit pugs

[bright crane]

Yeah rofl

[glass mortar]

idk where ur getting the idea warrior is as viable as ret or mage

[near rock]

bro wtf

[glass mortar]

thats pretty wild

[runic bough]

I have a warrior streamer and she tops the meter woth 3 buttons

[vivid vessel]

i think you can do much more

[near rock]

dude u did so much dps

[vivid vessel]

i was very tired by the time we got to gally

and i kinda stopped playing good

[glass mortar]

ok, zac tops the meters on his stream too

[vivid vessel]

its actually so hard staying focused in raid

compared to m+

idk why

[glass mortar]

u must think outlaw is very viable

as good as mage and ret

[runic bough]

Zac maybe you need some coffee

[vivid vessel]

do you guys have that

[bright crane]

Solo said they confirmed only we were impacted

[vivid vessel]

i focus so much in raid during reclears

to do damage

that i kinda fall off

after like 3 hours

[runic bough]

Ye get some coffee zac

[vivid vessel]

idk

[haughty moat]

yeah same for me

[vivid vessel]

my brain cant handle it anymore

[random stirrup]

idk im just straight staring at my was entire time

[haughty moat]

zac becomming a boomer

[runic bough]

[vivid vessel]

i tought you guys told me i could do 8s

btw

on alt

is that not possivble either

im so confused

what do you guys do on alt

to gear up

[past falcon]

play NA servers ill sign up

[arctic hollow]

What do you mean, Trickster Sprocket is hilarious

[glass mortar]

people saying run ur own keystone have not tried to run their own keystone on a rat alt

but hey

[leaden folio]

delves

[glass mortar]

its less abusive sitting in queue with no applicants for 2 hours

[arctic hollow]

Nuking opposite polarisation

[random stirrup]

you just need to do friends

[glass mortar]

then it is getting declined for 2 hours

[keen belfry]

u should press KS on sprocket

[vivid vessel]

but delves dont give gear tho

[random stirrup]

get carried through 10s until you have enough to run alt keys

[vivid vessel]

its champion

[random stirrup]

idk

or buy boost

[surreal flower]

M0 world tour and then make your friends drag you through 10s

[vivid vessel]

like delves gives me 639

but m0 is the same shit no ?

[keen belfry]

will this work

[vivid vessel]

it gives low gear

[past falcon]

would work on me

did ur key already brick wtf

[leaden folio]

if I remember correctly, people farm +7 for crest

[glass mortar]

yes zac its the same

[leaden folio]

so they spam +7

[slate forge]

Go tank or heal and spam 6s

[leaden folio]

and they do craft

[glass mortar]

except delves u dont need to wait in a queue

for bozos

????

hello

[vivid vessel]

oh i tought it was 8

[keen belfry]

i delisted it i had scary apps

[past falcon]

valid

[vivid vessel]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[random stirrup]

this spec is so busted in lowbie keys post fixes

almost 4mil overall at 645 ilvl with no 4p and no trinkets

[vivid vessel]

look at this weirdo

not accepting

[deep cedar]

xD

[vivid vessel]

[deep cedar]

just trying to help u gear if u want XD

[glass mortar]

zac i'll tank for u babe

[runic bough]

Lol he responded

[glass mortar]

invite me

keerat-hyjal-NA

[vivid vessel]

idm but no one is applying

i think im doing the wrong thing

i need a tutorial

on what im supposed to be doing rn

this is my gear

tell me what i do

[runic bough]

Welcome to keys zac

[random stirrup]

recruit friends in need of vault fillers

[haughty moat]

hc raid

[vivid vessel]

i cannot enter hc raid with my gear

[haughty moat]

you open your own bozo

[random stirrup]

arent u like omega rich with sales money too

surely

[vivid vessel]

no im seriously confused what do people do to gear up tho

[random stirrup]

just buy hc raid carry

[glass mortar]

delves

[haughty moat]

8/8 M lead easy going

[glass mortar]

to 658

then m+

[past falcon]

literally get carried by their friends

[vivid vessel]

delves gives 639 tho

[past falcon]

u trade spamming 10s

[glass mortar]

??

[vivid vessel]

no ?

[glass mortar]

upgrade to 658

[crisp condor]

Delves for a few weeks before deciding I'll actually try on the char

[random stirrup]

ye its 100% friends

[deep cedar]

lead a heroic raid / get 3-4 people to carry em in M+

[glass mortar]

its all champ track

if ur doing bountifuls

[vivid vessel]

im full champ already tho

[glass mortar]

so farm delves for crests and upgrade ur gear bozo

[runic bough]

Do 6 until full heroic

And crafts

[vivid vessel]

really?

that cant be the thing im supposed to be doing

[haughty moat]

yeah seriously open a hc raid with 8/8 M lead in title and ppl will come

[vivid vessel]

farming crests in delves ?

and getting 0 gear

[glass mortar]

or whatever u wanna do for crests

[vivid vessel]

just upgrading shit gear that i will replace instantly

[random stirrup]

unless you have some way to skip the grind via friends or boost you need to just work ur way up slowly

[runic bough]

That's how I did my rogue im 669 now after 2 weeks

[random stirrup]

and its hell

[glass mortar]

yes

[vivid vessel]

hm

[cloud thunder]

do 6s and 7s then upgrade

[vivid vessel]

there is no way

[glass mortar]

whys it matter if u will replace it instantly

[vivid vessel]

im missing something

[glass mortar]

once uve spent the crests

u dont need to spend them again

?

[surreal flower]

Gearing is easier than ever if you have friends

[vivid vessel]

ye but no one is applying to my 7 key

[surreal flower]

Otherwise it sucks ass

[runic bough]

Don't upgrade ur heroic gear unless it's tier slot

[vivid vessel]

or do people farm 6

[glass mortar]

well yea i mean the optimal way is to have friends

[vivid vessel]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[glass mortar]

if u dont have friends

this is the path

[cloud thunder]

6 is runed 7 is gilded

should be getting applicants for 7s idk

scrajj

[glass mortar]

i hope u did ur delves on +11 for gildeds

[crisp condor]

6 for hero gear

[vivid vessel]

i get 0

legit

[random stirrup]

surely you have enough friends in outlaw discord to run keys with

[cloud thunder]

OMEGADANCE

[bright crane]

Idk I didn’t really struggle to gear my mage

[runic bough]

U need to farm runed to get your heroic gear to 658. Farm 6's for now.

[glass mortar]

nahhh if u have no gear no score

people do not apply to 1 man groups

takes forever

running ur own keys is just a way to afk for 2 hours instead of getting declinded for 2 hours

people just cope

[bright crane]

Went from 635 > 665 in like a week

[glass mortar]

zac

if u want an unironica answer

stop playing WW

[bright crane]

^

[glass mortar]

people will join ur rat 7 if ur playing a real role

[surreal flower]

[glass mortar]

tank

[vivid vessel]

i dont have friends dont tell me to get carried idk

[glass mortar]

or heal

[cloud thunder]

maybe youd be better off applying to keys they see main io 3600

[glass mortar]

its easy in that key range

[runic bough]

Upgrade ur heroic gear to 658 with runed, then farm gilded for crafts.

[raven condor]

ditto, and this was like 4 weeks ago when i geared my rogue

[glass mortar]

till u have gear

[vivid vessel]

i have no runed

• thats cooked

[glass mortar]

tankings probably easier, you have all the routes muscle memory prob

[raven condor]

delves+crafting= 660+

[vivid vessel]

i would need 10 k runed

[glass mortar]

ur alt should have cheaper upgrades

due to main gear

10 crests per no?

[bright crane]

Damn bro have you tried to just like

Be better?

[glass mortar]

yea idk, my dragons almost 660

i have done nothing but delves

entire season

sounds like a nub issue

make sure ur doing ur delves on +11 for gildeds

to craft a weapon and such

[runic bough]

But weran is a delve pimp that's all he does

[glass mortar]

u can clear +11 at 639 ilvl

[bright crane]

It’s also midnight in Europe how many people are even playing rn

[vivid vessel]

true i guess

idk

[glass mortar]

also

did u

[vivid vessel]

i cant ?

i tried

and i get one shotted

[glass mortar]

?????

[vivid vessel]

by adds

in 11

[glass mortar]

bruh

[vivid vessel]

i cant even kill the smallies

[glass mortar]

use ur buttons

yea u gotta play like a lil bitch at low ilvl

ive done only 11s whole season

[runic bough]

Learn ww feint button

[glass mortar]

on 5 toons from 639+ tho

idk

[vivid vessel]

bro

i entered the devle

[runic bough]

What are ww defensives?

[vivid vessel]

pull 2 normal mobs

and they killed me

it wasnt even close

[glass mortar]

dont pull low amount of mobs

[vivid vessel]

idk what you are yapping about

[glass mortar]

pull 2 pack, stun, pop cds

use a personal when cc stops

mobs r dead by end of that

or u are

pulling 2 bozos is a way to just get autod to death

also make sure u have heal brann if u dont already

[arctic hollow]

When i'm undergears my strat is to trick oof the trade on Bran and hope the adds die before him

[vivid vessel]

i do..

ye im not a rogue

rogue is easy you cheese everything

[arctic hollow]

ah right

[glass mortar]

ok well

we gave u like 10 solutions

easiest one for u it sounds like is not playing WW?

[vivid vessel]

ye but none works tho

[glass mortar]

people will queue if ur healing or tanking that key

and its not hard to do

in a +7

ive tanked like 5 keys and i dont even have the dungeon tools to make routes

xd

[vivid vessel]

ok i guess i will go tank

[runic bough]

Look and see if there are ques for delves

[glass mortar]

gl brm is actually hard to play

[vivid vessel]

this seems like the strat

[glass mortar]

but its fun tho

id personally recommend mw

[arctic hollow]

If your Brann is high level just go heal, spec Brann as tank and he solos everything

[vivid vessel]

i played it a bit in sl

[glass mortar]

but u might not have a healing weap

[vivid vessel]

i think i can remember maybe

idk

[runic bough]

Any tank spec can ez delves yeah

[glass mortar]

oh wait thats also true

zac!

+11s r way easier as a healer

pick tank brann

go MW

spam heal him

he will do 4m dps

carry ur ass thru delves

[runic bough]

Even after nerf?

[glass mortar]

as long as u dont let him die he holds threat on basically everything

yes, pre nerf everyone was running tank brann cause he was broken

now hes just strong enough for healer delves to actually feel reasonable

he does as much damage as dps brann does in my brm delves

but u need to remember to actively heal him, his damage scales with how much u heal him

even if he isnt taking big dam

[arctic hollow]

now you actually have to heal jhim for him to do damage but if you keep him at 12 stacks of his buff he shreds everything still

[random stirrup]

watched one of my friends do an 11 delve on like a 620 MW post nerf

[glass mortar]

yea dps u need to be very careful

[random stirrup]

its turbo free

[glass mortar]

i did all my low ilvl 11s as dps cause

im just a crazy delve enjoyer

doing the tank and healer achievement now tho heal and tank delves r TURBO easy

compared to dps

[random stirrup]

you can do 11s as a low ilvl dps too u just have to wait for cds

[glass mortar]

cant speedrun as well but thats the only thing

[random stirrup]

kinda cringe

[glass mortar]

yea

at higher ilvl u can speedrun them as dps but its way less safe then healer or tank ones

[random stirrup]

I think enh might be one of the worst possible specs in the game for them

it was genuine misery

but still did 11 at like 645 (back when you were playing tank brann, prob easier with healer)

[glass mortar]

also its not fully fair for me to compare my 639 11s to zacs

because my 639 toons were coming out of being optimized for s1 mythic raid

not just in random alt gearing up nonsense

[runic bough]

Also

We don't know half of our alt abilitys do lol

[glass mortar]

well thats just a player issue but its not uncommon

i pvped in this game (and still do) way before i got into higher end pve

so i usually know what most specs in the game are doing rotationally

just cause u kinda learn what everyone does in pvp so you can counter it

as well as ccs/defensives/etc

[runic bough]

Pvp player has advantage true

[glass mortar]

it definitly makes doing 11s harder, that moment of delay in hitting ur defensive or stop because ur on an alt

the way i avoid it is using the same keybind schematic across all my alts

these binds for rotation, these for defensives, these for ccs

etc

[runic bough]

Like my druid I still don't use half the cds

I die on skinning pulls

Embarrassing

[glass mortar]

yea i definitly felt overwhelemed when my first time brm this season was tanking a +11 for friends

and i just threw together a gearset from my WW and random gear

thankfully i was 665 ilvl by that point so my gear sorta carried me

[runic bough]

I just do lfr and world aoe for skinning

On my druid

I get killed from bees pretty often lol

[fickle light]

Hi guys, I’m interested in speccing outlaw from assassination, just wanted to get some views on how the specs compare in raid this tier and M+?

[runic bough]

Your apm is going to be higher, you need to get used to that. Also your aoe is going to lower, single target is similar.

[fickle light]

so it’s s slower spec?

[keen belfry]

ryu u cant doom on new guys

RYU!

[haughty moat]

outlaw slower than assa? what?

[runic bough]

We are kind of lucky right now because our tuning was before a bug fix and we may be stronger than intended. Either way outlaw is generally tuned lower than sub and sin always. It's a niche spec.

[fickle light]

Sorry

[fickle light]

My bad I didn’t mean that

[runic bough]

Outlaw is enjoyable to play from the high apm mostly. You can't fixate on its damage.

[past falcon]

perfectly viable in both, high keys are trickier bc of target cap

[fickle light]

I played outlaw in DF so I know the spec just wondering how it’s performing this tier

[runic bough]

Yeah its fatebound for single target and trickster for aoe and keys.

But besides sprocket a lot of them play trickster single target too.

[haughty moat]

its fatebound ONLY on mythic sprocket, rest is trickster

[runic bough]

If you know about killingspree, it may be a dealbreaker.

[fickle light]

In a good way?

[runic bough]

And your raid needs to know you are playing killingspree or you will look like a noob to them if it kills you.

[haughty moat]

no 😄

[past falcon]

hes not asking if its fun hes asking if its performing well

which it is

imo

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix

how far have we fallen

[storm drum]

wait so as outlaw are we totally dumping mastery and crit for haste and vers?

or is that just what sims tell us?

[glass mortar]

there is no amount of necessary mastery

you sorta end up with what u end up with

haste u generally want specific thresholds but u can trust sims

!haste

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[glass mortar]

then u pump everything into versa

[storm drum]

oh fuckin copy that versa boys tanky boys for life

[fickle light]

Where can I find the most optimal talents for raid and aoe? The wowhead guide?

[wide magnet]

the pins

[bright crane]

Yes or #outlaw-faq

[storm drum]

umm can i put elemental blast or whatever it is on a crafted ring?

that is a bis piece is crafted with dfc rign right?

[bright crane]

Elemental focusing lense?

[glass mortar]

elemental focusing lens embelly can go on pretty much any slot, dawn/duskthreads can only go on armor

[bright crane]

Beyond a 1h, all the other crafted stuff is “whatever sims best”

[storm drum]

i mean

i dont have raidbots paid for

idk how to sim it

[bright crane]

U don’t need to pay for raid bots

[storm drum]

if someone wants to help me that would be greatly appreciated

[bright crane]

Just go and use raidbots, it’s free

You just have to wait longer for sims if there’s high traffic

[storm drum]

yeah and i have to run like 15 sims lol

fuggin every ring i have is vers mastery or crit mastery besides my golden loop

have circes ring but it appears to be dog shite for outlaw

then i have stupid dawn thread crafts on wrists and im stupid and craftedteh focusing lense on my wep

and my 675 dagger has ascension for outlaw

so im getting fuckin confused lmao

wait circes ring is bis?

in single target?

fuck me runnin i might as wel keep it then

[glass mortar]

i dont think its actually bis in st

but it lasts far longer then it does in aoe

[lapis forge]

if we have an on use trinket, should it be keybound separately, or can it be macro'd into an ability?

[glass mortar]

keybound seperatly

[storm drum]

i mean you can macro it to your adrenaline rush

and just hit that button twice?

[glass mortar]

you wouldnt need to hit the button twice

[storm drum]

then why does wowhead say its bis in single target?

i mean to save a keybind

[glass mortar]

it would go off in one press

[storm drum]

you can macro on use into your adr button

yeah thats the point

[glass mortar]

the problem is that breaking stealth with a trinket usage in a macro breaks subterfuge and it doesnt proc at all

so binding it on any key you might press right at the start of vanish

is very bad practice

and that could be most of ur buttons

[storm drum]

and you get cdr on your adr which you just slap the button again when the timing doesnt line up what ????

idk been working for me im not above 3k io though

[glass mortar]

its bad practice, it can cause issues, and for some of our strong trinkets this season its just not great to do cause it can make the trinket lose value (first boss trinket/bee trinket etc)

also an ability with a cd as long as ar means you likely wont cast the trinket effectively on cd

you'd want it on a button ur pressing at least every 10s if u wanna properly use trinkets on cd

[storm drum]

welp ima play the game how i like to you play it how you like

[glass mortar]

ok

im responding to someone who was asking for advice on where to bind a trinket in a macro and pushing back against ur suggestion because i think it was a bad one

im not tryin to tell you how to play

[delicate seal]

Just use the s2 tww trinket wa

Make it big

[glass mortar]

its possible the wowhead ring thing is just not updated but i dont think the current "bis" profile wears it re: ur previous question

@gaunt phoenix would know for sure

[cinder relic]

@vivid vessel

[storm drum]

it says it was updated like 2 days ago?

[daring oxide]

@vivid vessel

I saw what you did on gallywix

[storm drum]

my apologies

[daring oxide]

[glass mortar]

that just means anything about the guide was updated, not that every single part of it is up to date you know. stuff can be missed, if its even missed

im checkin the ring on my profile RQ to see if it compares to 658 on ST

[glass mortar]

np i didnt mean to come off like i was telling you not to do that

[storm drum]

yeah idk ima recraft my bracers becaseu no outlaw bracers looks like

and just slum it with circes while farming more crests

[glass mortar]

circes is certainly still a strong choice if u dont have mythic rings, its not like its gunna be far behind 658 rings even if it is behind

[storm drum]

i have heroic rings

just shit stats

crit mast and vers mast

[glass mortar]

yea secondaries very hit or miss for outlaw unfortunatly, mastery is quite bad

[storm drum]

ill be fine im sure a little boss dmg never hurt anyone

[glass mortar]

if they r both mastery circlet almost certainly better

[storm drum]

yeah for sure

[glass mortar]

circes w/e god all these item names run together

cant wait for our new belt

☠️

[storm drum]

lol new belt?

[glass mortar]

11.1.7 has another one of these ring items and its a belt slot

that u unlock abilities from in delves

goes up to like 689 ilvl or something

[daring oxide]

@vivid vessel your damage on mugzee wtf and trickster as well, GG

[glass mortar]

trickster is the tech

just dont die

i totally forgot the bombs u need to leave alive have hp bars meaning they turn off the ST of two of fatebounds nodes

[daring oxide]

yes

[vivid vessel]

[daring oxide]

time to analyse what you did and plan my attack

[desert tendon]

zac

[daring oxide]

doubt i can do what you did on mugzee and gally though

[desert tendon]

can u please play a real class

[vivid vessel]

you seen the gally aswell ?

[daring oxide]

u just fucking destroyed them

[desert tendon]

so i can aug you

[vivid vessel]

bro

[daring oxide]

yeah

[desert tendon]

tyvm

[vivid vessel]

i was so tired

[daring oxide]

your gally is insane

wtf

[vivid vessel]

i didnt even playu

[daring oxide]

lol

[vivid vessel]

you could do so much more

i swear

it was 3 hours of being so hjyper focused

[daring oxide]

do you think eye of kezan is huge value there? i dont have one nyet

[vivid vessel]

i couldnt do it anymore

nah

its like

i simmed it

its like 0.7%

or smth

[daring oxide]

ah ok

[cinder relic]

zac do you BF in subterfuge rn

[vivid vessel]

kinda hwatever

[cinder relic]

w/ deft

[vivid vessel]

yeye for deft you mean

[daring oxide]

yeah you do

[cinder relic]

Ok

[daring oxide]

with deft

[vivid vessel]

or i mean whatever if bf is down you would bf anyway

but ye vurai

you could od much much much more i think

[daring oxide]

I'm still rank one on OAB for some reason lol

but i played PC on OAB

and that was with the 6% raid buff

your damage on Sprocket as well 🔥

2.8mil as FB

jeeeez

[vivid vessel]

ye i popped off on that one

vurai

i get so tired during reclears

is it the same for you

like im focused so much

in raid

to do max dpsd

that idk

i get tired by the gime we get to gally

[daring oxide]

i haven't had a chance to reclear in a while, we started extending after sprocket cos only 2 day guild

so my first reclear in a few weeks will be this weekend

[vivid vessel]

oh

ok

[daring oxide]

ive forgotten all the bosses up to sprocket

lol

but im sad they removed evasion tech from Rik

cos i didn't do that before (didn't know)

but was just looking through your logs today

[vivid vessel]

seen this vurai ?

[daring oxide]

[vivid vessel]

i just need vexie

and i finished the game

[desert tendon]

cool zac

[daring oxide]

so clean

[desert tendon]

r1 / 20 outlaw

[glass mortar]

zac

[daring oxide]

on vexie you just need good pad?

[vivid vessel]

most of these bosses im also just r1 rogue so

[daring oxide]

on the adds?

[glass mortar]

circlet is not bis anymore for us right

[vivid vessel]

eh idk

[glass mortar]

st or aoe

[vivid vessel]

my vexie logs

[glass mortar]

its losing to 658 rings in my sims

[vivid vessel]

are always so bad

[desert tendon]

yea better nerf outlaw as i m saying since patch release

too strong

[daring oxide]

do your tanks bring the boss close to the wall?

[glass mortar]

vexie u need a 5 buff during the intermissions and thats basically all that matters

[daring oxide]

so you can BF cleave the bikes?

[vivid vessel]

a bit

[glass mortar]

add pad helps too

[vivid vessel]

but i dont think that matters

the bikes get insta blown up anwyay

[storm drum]

it doesnt sim properly?

[glass mortar]

no it does, its losing by like

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cY9zN7kVaTM3rRS5qkmu7r

theres the sim

its basically the same strength

i just dont think theres anyway its "bis"

[vivid vessel]

no ye its not

[glass mortar]

if its not beaing 658 rings for me

[vivid vessel]

i have replaced it since

so long now

[glass mortar]

@cinder relic may want to change the circlet section, dont think this is bis for us anymore at any target count

[storm drum]

ok so ill just craft a ring or hope for one in raid or vault then

[glass mortar]

gets replaced by 658+ rings with good stats

[cinder relic]

bleh

Probably

[storm drum]

when i sim i have questions

[vivid vessel]

@desert tendon

[glass mortar]

i didnt even bother chasing bikes on vexie last week

[vivid vessel]

thoughts?

[storm drum]

do i sim as trickster or fatebound?

or does it matter

[glass mortar]

fatebound is comparable on ST to trickster builds

[desert tendon]

i mean

that s cool zac

[glass mortar]

in any form of aoe/cleave it loses by quite a bit tho

[storm drum]

yeah im just following wowhead lol

[glass mortar]

so u generally will be focusing on trickster

[vivid vessel]

sooo

[desert tendon]

i m happy for you that you re the highest ilvl rogue in there

[glass mortar]

thankfully, it doesnt change much

[desert tendon]

[daring oxide]

[tranquil hemlock]

ilvl diff tbh

[storm drum]

i dont imagine the faqs here are much different

[glass mortar]

kir wants same amount of haste for either build

ho does too

[vivid vessel]

fr

[daring oxide]

my moment of glory only lasted a couple days 😦

[glass mortar]

the wowhead guide is basically the same yea

[desert tendon]

i love pissing him off

that s my favorite hobby

[vivid vessel]

bro

[glass mortar]

kir fatebound ST is comparable to trickster kir/HO

trickster wins anytime you are using blade flurry

easy rule of thumb

[daring oxide]

very wonky and unclean 😦

[desert tendon]

i m gonna miss you zac when i m quitting i swear

[vivid vessel]

NOOB !

[vivid vessel]

how did you get a 99 on first boss man ..

[desert tendon]

Wtf

is that

[daring oxide]

my rik was terrible

[desert tendon]

gg

[daring oxide]

i got this 99 months ago, i dunno how

[vivid vessel]

breo

my best is 97 ..

[glass mortar]

my best parse on vexie was with coup bugh

[vivid vessel]

this was my rank till this week

[glass mortar]

right at start of season

[vivid vessel]

[glass mortar]

[vivid vessel]

like i swear to god

vexi

[daring oxide]

I was on holiday for a weekend during Mugzee prog 😦 i missed the kill

[glass mortar]

fake boss

[daring oxide]

was very sad

[vivid vessel]

is the hardest boss

[glass mortar]

its just one of those

gets worse the more u farm

[daring oxide]

Capo and Mugzee trinket dropped lol

[vivid vessel]

weran

[glass mortar]

because cd specs scale directly

[vivid vessel]

i have r1 on every boss

[glass mortar]

but u dont care

[vivid vessel]

but vexie

[glass mortar]

gotta setup a parse raid for our boy

[vivid vessel]

vexie im like

[glass mortar]

get him on top

frfr

all ST ccers on vexie

let zac hit all the adds

[daring oxide]

just ask everyone to play pure ST, only you cleave and easy

[vivid vessel]

??

im rank 67 bro

on vexie

every other boss im r1 wtf you want me to do

its too hard

[glass mortar]

my parses r so bad i just dont play enough to practice these bosses man

[vernal bone]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[glass mortar]

especially sprocket

u cant play kir

if ur only playing it 2 times a season

and both times are on one boss

☠️

just doesnt work

[daring oxide]

Zac you might need to do vexie in a pug

with demons who dont do dps

so you have full cleave uptime

[vivid vessel]

thats never happening

[daring oxide]

literally surround yourself with monsters of the bottom

[vivid vessel]

maybe if we dont raid one week idk

[glass mortar]

hmm i wonder if ive got enough gear i beat my coup bug sims yet

i dont think i do

not till i hit 675

still weaker then i was a month ago

[vivid vessel]

skill issue ngl

[daring oxide]

your cauldron damage

wtf

3.1mil

dps

how

[vivid vessel]

idk

im better i gues

[daring oxide]

you been getting some insane 6 buffs

[daring oxide]

uptime

[glass mortar]

!classbalance

funny fight for destro ig

[vivid vessel]

i mean

thats just kir

[glass mortar]

bro

did u have

RP

[daring oxide]

yeah but i dont mean in luck tbh

[glass mortar]

the

ENTIRE fight

[daring oxide]

just playing really well

[glass mortar]

absurd

[daring oxide]

he basically had 90% uptime on RP, GM, SNC, TB

[vivid vessel]

eh

thats just a good pull on kir

[daring oxide]

GM really nice for the intermission

[vivid vessel]

happens all the time tbh

[daring oxide]

imo

when i play KIR

i dont get 5 natty for 20 years into a fight

[vivid vessel]

if you roll a 5 buff you can usually keep the momentum the whole fight kinda

[daring oxide]

99% pulls

[vivid vessel]

maybe im just a lucky guy

[daring oxide]

my rtb cursed

until its not 🙂

your killing spree popped off though

it was your 2nd highest damage

[vivid vessel]

i think thats cause my bte popped off

[daring oxide]

did you feel the need to delay much while on godzilla?

[vivid vessel]

so i dont disaptch much

[daring oxide]

ah ok

[vivid vessel]

i never dealy

[daring oxide]

so good ace stuffs too

[vivid vessel]

thats why i died this week

stagger didnt work

so i just died insta from beam

[daring oxide]

ahh

i see

[vivid vessel]

otherwise i never delay and if i see i hit the beam i cloak before end

[daring oxide]

ok u are mad brave man

hmm

that damage profile looks so beautiful

just sustaining 3m+

[wicked obsidian]

you use the finisher rule also for ks or you don't care about cp, or you aim cp ~< 4 to be more save?

[glass mortar]

quite simply maintain a 4 buff the entire fight and u can do 3m dps its not hard

hello??

[daring oxide]

i cant do that

it has to be 6buffs

[glass mortar]

a parse like this would need to be an insane highroll for HO

probably less rng to it for kir

u sorta make ur luck as kir

at least morso then HO can

[vivid vessel]

happerns all the time with kir idk

[glass mortar]

yes thats what i just said

[daring oxide]

well yeah kir u can fish to some degree and yes more likely as kir thanks to SOH for sure

so easy

to get 6 buffs

but still

its not just 6buffs

just very good play

and good ace procs too as well

[vivid vessel]

moslty full cp ye

[daring oxide]

how did ya not get rank 1 healing parse zac

u got hit by beam in KS twice

and cloaked it twice!

you should of pressed crimson vial more...

[dense bolt]

https://imgur.com/1WqNfSR ijust want you guys to never unsee this like i do, but the new red sword wep from tradingpost is bugged and the left sword skull thingy is poitinig towards your back

[vivid vessel]

i guess some guy got hit trhice

[daring oxide]

probably died then lol

[normal aurora]

Are you cloaking at the end of KS or is there a way to cloak mid KS i'm unaware of

[daring oxide]

you just spam cloak

[vivid vessel]

the ks tick hit 0.5s

[daring oxide]

so it stops before the first tick goes off

[vivid vessel]

after

[normal aurora]

like cloaking at the end before damage tick?

[daring oxide]

yes

[normal aurora]

gotchya

[daring oxide]

damage tick isn't instant

[vivid vessel]

so you have a small window

[daring oxide]

just spam cloak

thank god for that tbh

imagine if it was insta

GG

[bright crane]

Oh wtf they go on your back?

[daring oxide]

@vivid vessel found the guy who outhps you on cauldron

[vivid vessel]

[daring oxide]

his damage however

wasn't so great

🙂

[glass mortar]

did u think u could get the ksprees off without getting beamed or why not just cloak as u kspree

to not even risk late cloaking and eating a dot tick

[hollow temple]

look at it while you're wielding them

both skulls point the same direction instead of both pointing out its soooo bad

[gray locust]

just stay monkey side whole fight

[daring oxide]

can you do that without dying? 😄

never tried

[storm drum]

so i have heroic trinkets and junkmaster mega magnet is simming higher than my spare keys in single target is spare keys better in m+ or ... how do we sim as outlaw i know assa is just dungeon slice

[gray locust]

you can cloak off the dot stacks

[daring oxide]

ahh i see

hmmmm

[dense bolt]

NOO U DIDNT

[daring oxide]

I have a feeling i should verify this first in heroic 😛 otherwise I might be in for a rude awakening if you are joking lol

[past falcon]

no you can cloak them off

From experience

[daring oxide]

how many stacks you recommend to cloak at?

[past falcon]

Oh immediately after