outlaw

[tulip jewel]

if it’s not an L it’s a W

[red zinc]

zac my sim is goofing

[tulip jewel]

sounds like user error

[red zinc]

but looks like a 1.5% dslice difference

lemme fix one thing

premium raidbots so nice

so slightly more even if you weaponswap properly

[vivid vessel]

uh

[red zinc]

idk how dslice is set up, maybe the packs are absurdly short

[vivid vessel]

what is this sim man

why main hand

[red zinc]

thats a crafted

675

not the mace

[vivid vessel]

ah

[gaunt phoenix]

Who crafts a mace

[red zinc]

it looks cool

looks especailly cool with weapon enchants

but @gaunt phoenix would there be any way to sim on just aoe packs that arent counted as boss encounters

like in dslice

cause thats really the only part i'd care about in this case

[daring oxide]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QmJMYDhLKgyVC9pw?fight=19&type=damage-done

AUG IS SO BACK - 19 ML

[red zinc]

5.6m in a motherlode?

wtf they pulling

[vivid vessel]

look at my rogue talent

[daring oxide]

wow

how come zac?

you think its better for aoe

with 2fth over GS?

[red zinc]

thats not him

[vivid vessel]

same damage as me

as aug

gg

[daring oxide]

gg

aug replacing us

[daring oxide]

@vivid vessel are u scamming me

[wintry solar]

Outlaw but it's another cooldown spec

That's it

Zzz

[red zinc]

I mean honestly though

how bad is outlaw with aug now

[daring oxide]

outlaw is insane for aug

[red zinc]

I thought they stopped playing breath of eons

[daring oxide]

but what surprised me is how good MM hunter is tbh

fucking pumper

[white cliff]

Anyone help me with a noob question please, wowhead ain't saying Anything about SnD in rotation / opener etc. I been spending spending combo points to get it started when I feel it makes sense but occurred to me that maybe that ain't right. Could anyone clue me in please?

[verbal fjord]

yo

why does https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/muqu5RHEVr3YUnSJFcQezR

priory trinket sim better for me ?

is it a bait or smth ?

[glass mortar]

Dispatch automatically casts snd

U dont cast it normally In the rotation

[vivid vessel]

guys, thoughts about my rogue damage on third boss dfc?

[tranquil hemlock]

you'll get there dw zac

[verbal fjord]

nahh thats crazy

[vivid vessel]

@fallen knot

he was perma stunned

[desert tendon]

yea

[tranquil hemlock]

i'm more worried about

[desert tendon]

inviting a random rogue

no wonder zac

[tranquil hemlock]

how that aug in ml 19

was faster as aug than with his dk

how does that work

[glass mortar]

What about the monk damage...

[tranquil hemlock]

how tf lmao

[rotund token]

Macroed ravenous buzzard. Died like 5 times already to it. Why do they make such gimmick trinkets.

[vivid vessel]

nerf aug !

[glass mortar]

Brother don't macro a trinket that charges u

[tranquil hemlock]

yeah nerf aug

[glass mortar]

Ur asking for it

[rotund token]

Yea man

[tranquil hemlock]

as a precaution just delete it

might as well

[rotund token]

Ill unmacro it lol

[vivid vessel]

??????

im blasting cuh wdym

[glass mortar]

🤔

Did u have fun

That's all that matters

That rogue certainly didnt

[vivid vessel]

idk

[desert tendon]

weran

i think

[vivid vessel]

its ok

[desert tendon]

i like you

[vivid vessel]

i guess

[desert tendon]

just a little bit

like rally a little bit

not that much

but a little bit

[fallen knot]

easiest dfc of my life

[glass mortar]

🥰

[vivid vessel]

ty for the key cuh

playing kir btw

[glass mortar]

Me when I want to turn my brain off in a +2 and spend entire third boss stunned

LOL

[long barn]

@vivid vessel did we get info back on swapping weapons mid KS

[vivid vessel]

ye

i tested

and you dont miss hits

[daring oxide]

zac are you actually playing this btw

[vivid vessel]

so i think its legfit just free?

[vivid vessel]

no lol

[daring oxide]

oh ok

[long barn]

Big time goodness. Any reasons we couldn’t swap in between KS in between vanishing.

Like could almost time when vanish on CD you could swap in KS

[vivid vessel]

its 2 swaps tho so idk

you would miss one no ?

or hm

say i open with aoe

i ks

then i vanish

then i ks (swap to st???)

[long barn]

Yea

[vivid vessel]

but you vanish just after that ks

soo

[long barn]

Like we just want the weapon on for vanishes

[daring oxide]

whats the bonus of swapping weapons mid KS?

[vivid vessel]

ye but you cant do that unless you also swap outside of ks

[long barn]

Avoids global

[vivid vessel]

you dont lose a gcd

[daring oxide]

ah ok

i see

jesus

i think i'll just stick to swappin weapons out of combat

[long barn]

It works really good

[vivid vessel]

ye its just if that happens in combat

[daring oxide]

hmm

[vivid vessel]

i dont think there is optimisations to be doing

[daring oxide]

ok ill give it a go

[vivid vessel]

actually swapping in combat

[daring oxide]

i guess swapping in KS when combat ending soon and boss is next

makes sense

and no more vanishes to do

or could proc cudgel first

[long barn]

I tried it out and I mean I didn’t get every one of them but I was swapping a lot basically when I didn’t get the CDR roll and mobs under 4x

[daring oxide]

then swap to boss weapons on next KS

during boss

i guess

for 250k damage..

[vivid vessel]

idk i just use the trick when tank chainpull to boss

otherwsie no point i think

[long barn]

So we know when mob count we should swap back to main weapon

[vivid vessel]

idk

[tranquil hemlock]

zac do you still have aug discord

[vivid vessel]

i think its worth in st

[tranquil hemlock]

are they dooming ?

[vivid vessel]

as long as you vanish

[long barn]

Oh really

[vivid vessel]

ye prolly

[long barn]

Well then

[vivid vessel]

i mean in aoe its like

a double dip thing

cause every target hit every target

but its prolly worth in st

idk

[long barn]

Then why are we swapping at all

[vivid vessel]

because on bosses

you dont lose combat

on vanish

[long barn]

Oh

[vivid vessel]

so you dont proc it again

[fallen knot]

3rd boss dfc

is a nightmare

leave me alone

[long barn]

What about bosses with adds

Same?

[fallen knot]

every ks was a stun

[long barn]

Do the adds drop ?

I suspect no

[vivid vessel]

neutral i think

[tranquil hemlock]

oh god oh no

[vivid vessel]

honestly idk man

[tranquil hemlock]

they're on the brink of it

[vivid vessel]

need to do more testing on it i dont think anyone really looked at how it behaved

[still matrix]

Timed a 17ML, im a big boy now

Also Zac how you avoid the aoe on priory 2nd miniboss

u vanish it or something?

[vivid vessel]

evasiion

[red zinc]

What aoe

The lunge?

[still matrix]

just having evasion up dodges it?

damn ok

[gaunt phoenix]

you can do a dungeonroute sim but remove the bosses

[still matrix]

idk what its called the big aoe slam

[red zinc]

Oh

Ye thats evasion

Just remember to look at the boss though

[red zinc]

True guess ill give that a go

1.7% on dslice feels high as hell though

gotta do more sims

[long barn]

On more thought I want to pick your brain about. Does KIR get more vanishes than a low haste HO. I’m sitting around 9% with HO. Wondering if the weapon does better on KIR

[vivid vessel]

ye kir has more cdr overall i think

but its so minimal

doesnt matter

[tranquil field]

sorry, guys. What does KIR means?

[vivid vessel]

keep it rolling

[gaunt phoenix]

[tranquil field]

ty ❤️

is wowhead guide updated? Im trying outlaw again for very first in a long time

[gaunt phoenix]

should be mostly fine there is also #outlaw-faq

[daring oxide]

@vivid vessel how does the weapon swap wa work

sorry for dumb question

just sat in dongle figuring it out

ah

it just shows what you currently have as offhand?

[vivid vessel]

ye

will show when you exit combat

[daring oxide]

ok

[gaunt phoenix]

hm if you sim dungeonroute and it has pulls over the cap then shadow quake won't trigger on them all because there is no concept of moving to adjust bf targets

[vivid vessel]

or if you engage boss with the bad weapon equipped

[daring oxide]

yeah, in practice its a bit stronger than sims indicated

just gotta strafe

[daring oxide]

ok

ive never made a macro for swapping weapons

got an example please?

[tulip jewel]

check pins

[daring oxide]

perfect thank you

i am blind

can you craft and equip two Ring of Earthen Craftsmanship?

[gaunt phoenix]

yea

[daring oxide]

ok nice

we are gonna get so much ilvl next week

when turbo boost goes live

[gaunt phoenix]

everyone should get like 7-10% dps

[daring oxide]

yeah

6 ilvls on all pieces

actually nuts lol

actually its 685 ilvl for the myth pieces right?

so that would be +7?

[gaunt phoenix]

bit more for me cause i will full craft 2 more pieces and dinar heroic capo cause i never got one

mythic is 684

[daring oxide]

ah ok

[still matrix]

Finally got wep from cauldron, next week im gonna juice

Cauldron wep + HC capo, no more of this bloody event wep shiettt

[gaunt phoenix]

you should still do it in keys

"should"

[daring oxide]

is the Gallywix mythic weapon still worth?

for dinars

[gaunt phoenix]

probably wins st

[daring oxide]

okies

[fathom ravine]

Guys, im gearing an outlaw. Do u recommend me to wait for the next week to craft gear? Im 640

[gaunt phoenix]

it just saves gold

doesnt really matter if you have the gold for mats

[fading hatch]

I am waiting but its just to save gold/inconvenience of recrafting. Theres no long term benefit to waiting

[hybrid crown]

That's assuming you have the time to do 20 keys before raid to upgrade all your shit

I am looking forward to it tho. Can't wait to smash some 10s and gear up some more

[heavy shadow]

Are people finding with 665 max HC rings they are simming higher without the circlet ring?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[heavy shadow]

There's no "it's not simming properly" to take into account then

[gaunt phoenix]

the circlet is simming correctly unless you are cheesing the windsinger stat in game

in which you can tell the sim what windsinger stat to use

[novel socket]

oops

didn't know that

thought it would take the stats in correctly

from the sim string

[leaden folio]

i don't understand gally weapon also not bis on dungeon slice

it have less stat ?

[novel socket]

its a stacking dps dot

[gaunt phoenix]

well the proc is single target and a ramping dot

[novel socket]

btw shouldn't blade flurry apply the dot to everything ?

[leaden folio]

y but there is less dmg on the weapon or less stat compare to other ilvl weapon ?

[novel socket]

because of the way flurry works

[gaunt phoenix]

no the proc is RPPM

it will just sometimes go on a random target instead of main target

[novel socket]

what does RPPM means

oh

ok

[glass mortar]

Random procs per minute

[gaunt phoenix]

real

[glass mortar]

It means it's normalized for damage events

[daring oxide]

Redundant Pee Pee Men

[glass mortar]

Basically

[novel socket]

i see

[glass mortar]

How fast u attack won't give u more procs on average

[daring oxide]

they need to bring back a cantrip weapon that does bonus damage on every hit

[glass mortar]

Those are very ethical for outlaw

[daring oxide]

then we go uber giga attack speed

[glass mortar]

I agree

[daring oxide]

yes

make it even better

give the bonus damage a cone attack

splash all targets in front of you

uncapped

uncapped but split damage

so does good ST damage

at least

[dusky jackal]

guys , can y link wa that show active frawless form with numbers of stacks

[daring oxide]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[wintry solar]

You can't name characters anything with peepee in it

Tried Thepeepeeman

No dice

[daring oxide]

blizzard dont like peepee?

imagine if u are called peepee in rl

[wintry solar]

Nor poopoo

[daring oxide]

some people are actually called peepee

typo from pepe

[wintry solar]

Ye

Same with poopoo and popo

[daring oxide]

ay

so sad 😦

[wintry solar]

Truly

[daring oxide]

i feel bad for all the peepees and poopoos

[wintry solar]

Pour one out for all the peepees and poopoos out there

https://tenor.com/view/pour-drink-pouring-alcohol-respect-gif-5359107

[shell fossil]

[gentle juniper]

@vivid vessel did you try out the weapon swapping during KS thing i talked about yesterday? i kinda forgot

[vivid vessel]

yeye

works fine

[gentle juniper]

pog

[daring oxide]

when is the next tier predicted to release?

end of august?

[heavy shadow]

Is there a simple explanation of how turbo boost works?

[sour gulch]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[heavy shadow]

Basically for mains more track upgrade for mythic gear, and the dinar

[glass mortar]

what explanation r u looking for

[heavy shadow]

What I need to care about from main perspective only

[glass mortar]

u'll be able to upgrade all herioc and higher ilvl gear +6 ilvl

including crafted

upgrading works the same way it always has

for crafts theres a new consumable to add to ur crafted recipe that costs 30 gilded and gives it +6 ilvl

so you'll need to recraft all ur stuff

and then u get 1 dinar on the release and 1 every 3 weeks, 3 total

u can buy items from the bosses uve killed in raid on the difficulties uve killed them, or dungeon trinkets if you have resilient 12s unlocked

[heavy shadow]

I guess we can't do much now in prep for it, given the gilded cap in place already

[glass mortar]

save up crests but yea

cant really do anything

[polar kelp]

So we can finally get the minecart trinket which I've still never seen drop from DFC?

[hybrid crown]

Wait isn't the cap removed next week

[zealous plinth]

Dunno if it’s as strong as sim says though

[zealous plinth]

Yes it is

[polar kelp]

Why would it not be?

[zealous plinth]

Dunno doesn’t feel good in m+ xD

Got it in HC, but HoC hc feels better

[hybrid crown]

Everyone can see the cart

That's by far the best thing about it

[zealous plinth]

But I don’t myth raid so prob gotta go pacemaker + minecart

[polar kelp]

Yea that's what I'm thinking too

[alpine thicket]

Did the 2x coup bug get fixed? havent played in a while

[glass mortar]

yes

[alpine thicket]

Kk thanks

[pearl topaz]

I got a mythic track minecart and only bothered doing one key for vault lol

one of those cbf weeks

[ornate kernel]

Play HO with 23% haste is overkill right?

[red zinc]

yes

[pliant wind]

i played it with 21% and changed it to 15% is smooth anyway, i prefer more crit

[vestal sundial]

Do we have an in-depth rotation guide around? Finding outlaw stuff makes me feel like an actual pirate searching for booty

[proven ocean]

In depth

U literally cannot go more in depth than the faq

[gaunt phoenix]

#outlaw-faq

[proven ocean]

[red zinc]

do an indepth look at your screen kappa

[proven ocean]

We even talk about how too in depth it is aswell

[red zinc]

good guide in faq though

[proven ocean]

Solo soloing the faq

@gaunt phoenix did u watch @gaunt phoenix leveling?

[gaunt phoenix]

naw

i should

[proven ocean]

Ur missing out

[vestal sundial]

I can't find it on the faq, I'm doing KiR and always wondered if I should pop blade flurry while fighting single enemies like bosses due to precise cuts or is it like null and void

[ornate kernel]

The outlaw benefits well from pi? I see i get pi sometimes but same dmg xd

[vivid vessel]

no

worse pi target in the game prolly

worse than your tank

[vivid vessel]

bf doesnt hit your main target

[vestal sundial]

cool

thanks

[ornate kernel]

Really that bad? Lol

[vivid vessel]

ye

[gaunt phoenix]

we like a certain amount of haste constantly, any more than that does little

& we dont have cooldowns to sync with haste buffs

[red zinc]

zac speaking of ego yesterday

ego tanking is such a problem in these poopy keys

[gaunt phoenix]

somn is free

[red zinc]

ive seen so many people pull this pack

and die before its even gathered

[bronze parcel]

yuge

[red zinc]

while we have like a 4 minute buffer

just do it in 2 pulls man u are not naowh

[red zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/wither-stickman-dancing-vibe-meme-gif-27612356

[bronze parcel]

lol all the divine toll overlaps too nobody living that in a pug

[formal crest]

This is standard for tanks in pugs on low and mid keys, happens a lot on first pulls

[red zinc]

i mean honestly

its fine with bl

as long as the tank lives

but they never do

[vivid vessel]

outlaw loses 0 health on these packs its so funy

[next mountain]

praise feint

[red zinc]

what do i sim as when simming dungeon route

like fight style

or does it not matter

[ornate kernel]

Why?

[vivid vessel]

its tanky

[gaunt phoenix]

just do patchwerk but it is overwritten by the fight_style=DungeonRoute

[red zinc]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j7LPcWG1znZSDbXzpNX8jp damage feels a lil low for what im simming though

does it count the time between packs aswell or smth

[gaunt phoenix]

that's what the delay= is doing

[red zinc]

ah ye

well looks about right anyway

[gaunt phoenix]

u can remove these

the health is declared as part of the enemy enemies="Quartermaster_Koratite_1":61878611

hmm i guess the weakaura to generate them is outdated

w.e it's fine

[red zinc]

aw hell nah

[gaunt phoenix]

is that double nightfall

[red zinc]

yes

against 675 though

let me get the 681/684 out

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

i figure it would be about the same

[red zinc]

itll be slightly higher on CBM / DFC type pulls I guess

[gaunt phoenix]

can you double weapon swap in a gcd?

[red zinc]

ok yeah

bottom one is double mace, second is 681 crafted, top is 684 myth weapon

[gaunt phoenix]

crisis averted

[red zinc]

hold on still have to check brewery

the .1% dps gain is about to hit

alright these pulls are as big as itll ever get, if its a loss here i dont ever want to hear this cook again

[gaunt phoenix]

the problem is that

[latent oak]

the sim doesnt move right

[gaunt phoenix]

sim doesnt have a concept of moving around to adjust bf targets

[red zinc]

The damage share it was doing seemed pretty substantial though

compared to ingame

2.6% on dslice

[gaunt phoenix]

yea it's good enough

[red zinc]

same order again

[frank finch]

wait i knew i wasnt trolling dual wielding

[red zinc]

it aint it

so anyway moral of the story

offhand cudgel bis and worth swapping around (1.5% gain even after increased ilvl)

mainhand no no

it is actually 0.3-0.5% on these big mob pulls right now though for mainhand

[slate forge]

How much does it matter that you could swap from radiant to double depths on bosses?

[gaunt phoenix]

its like 1.2% st

[red zinc]

also solo

you can swap both weapons in 1 gcd

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[red zinc]

please no mid ks weapon swap cooks

please

what in the fuck

[stray star]

What are the chances of them fixing KS?

[gaunt phoenix]

100%

[red zinc]

this is 1 guy lmao

lizzard back at it again

[cold jewel]

@vivid vessel

TOMELLIS

[frank finch]

LOL

[daring oxide]

99.9%?

just in case Ion decides he likes it after all

[gaunt phoenix]

101%

[red zinc]

today would be the day that they fix it

not to get anyones hopes up

[daring oxide]

ok since you are so optimistic

you have triggered MAXIMUM ABSOLUTE HOPE within me

[red zinc]

should be new ptr build in like 4-5 hours

[daring oxide]

its the Outlaw KS update iteration

lets goooooooooooo

[red zinc]

i mean if this patch is yet another one with no class changes

ima be very dissappointed

[daring oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/pumped-up-hype-gif-13746267

[red zinc]

no talent changes for 6 months would be very shit

[mighty pivot]

yeah they are reworking KS for Midnight's release

[daring oxide]

it has to be either 11.1.7 or 11.2

theres no way

it takes longer

to woxtoxic fix KS

the bare minimum

'delete teleport line'

[slim hare]

hey boys

did you get any update on ks and we should be getting an update on ptr ? or are you all just copium ?

[mighty pivot]

not teleporting to several random locations would also be a huge improvement

[cinder summit]

just joined a +16 , who did that propaganda xd

[gaunt phoenix]

the word is spreading

[slim hare]

outlaw is good now ? like you can find groups?

[cinder summit]

im assa

[slim hare]

i want to come back to rogue but not assa

[gaunt phoenix]

ya outlaw is good

[fallen knot]

outlaw good

[gaunt phoenix]

got some bugfixes that were a massive buff in keys

[midnight widget]

fk killing spree, what talent do i take instead

[vivid vessel]

who said this

[slim hare]

yeah i saw the bugfix

[past falcon]

probably the collective effort of the total 20 outlaw rogues in NA that have done 16s

[slim hare]

kyr or ho in m+?

[gaunt phoenix]

both its preference

[slim hare]

nice

kyr time

[gaunt phoenix]

keep yer rollin

[slim hare]

for real you can find groups as outlaw ?

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean probably not as fast as sin

[slim hare]

don't want to play lfg simulator

[past falcon]

yes

[brisk meadow]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[red zinc]

just play fotm dawg

[past falcon]

as long as ive done 1-2 keys at that level i can get invited to the rest of them

fairly quickly at this point actually

[slim hare]

if i play fotm i never play rogue :/

[slim hare]

ok good enough thanks

[hasty warren]

still think assa is way better

[slim hare]

assa is just too boring to play

[red zinc]

literally just depends what you're better at

[past falcon]

assa probs fits in meta comp better

[red zinc]

ill outdps every single one of those assa bleed build players

[brisk meadow]

damn

timmy wildin

[slim hare]

my real question tho, do you guys think blizzard is doing a better job taking care of bugs and qol than before?

[vivid vessel]

no lol

[gaunt phoenix]

ummmm

[glass mortar]

doubt it

i dont see any indicator anything has changed

[vivid vessel]

every patch the entire game break

??

[fallen knot]

is it me

[glass mortar]

we just managed to find an insane bug and it was insane, so it got fixed

[fallen knot]

or ho single target for raid is omega stupid and just like

[glass mortar]

usually turbo bugs like this r

[fallen knot]

go brrrrrrr forever

[glass mortar]

u can make an insane amount of micro mistakes as HO and still do solid dps

if u played kir the same way ud be green parsing

ive always said this in raid

[gaunt phoenix]

the wowhead article got attention for bugs (probably from people above the devs), unlikely to have happened so soon without it

[glass mortar]

i was getting oranges after not touching HO since s3 of DF trying it first timing in raid this season

[past falcon]

????

[slim hare]

so the bf bugfix is just a omega help from wowhead?

[fallen knot]

i mean

[red zinc]

resilient has created such stupid dumbfucks

good system

[fallen knot]

2.1m on bandit as 650

[red zinc]

but holy hell

[fallen knot]

is it ok

or no

[gaunt phoenix]

that sounds normal

[red zinc]

assa has done irreperable damage to the rogue invite reputation

[fallen knot]

i'll upload log

[red zinc]

just got kicked from a group because tank said he didnt want to wait between every pack to let me restealth

[gaunt phoenix]

i sim 2.5M at 670

so -20 item levels would be 2M

[red zinc]

💔

[fallen knot]

ok

[gaunt phoenix]

but yea HO does go brr for how simple it is

[fallen knot]

legit

overflow of cp

[gaunt phoenix]

Sometimes you get rng fucked tho

[fallen knot]

also

wait they're pulling

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw

restealths

[past falcon]

LMAO

[red zinc]

like idk

i am not explaining my class to these people

but why is this a consensus now

[past falcon]

its fine ppl still call me combat rogue

[slim hare]

cause assa crying for restealth

[past falcon]

"does combat rogue want pi on bosses" NO I DONT

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean did they invite a rogue and then kick

[red zinc]

yes the tank wasnt lead

told them to kick me

[gaunt phoenix]

chad behavior

[slim hare]

!stealthbugs

[ornate heath]

• Breaking Vanish with a trinket will not grant Subterfuge.
• Recasting Stealth while Subterfuge is already active will not grant you UHUH or Crackshot bonuses until Subterfuge expires. (fixed as of 11.1)
• Casting Vanish at the same frame that a previous Subterfuge ends will cause Crackshot to not activate.
• After breaking Stealth, there is about a 100ms delay before the effects of Subterfuge happen. You will thus lose about 100ms of adr

[gaunt phoenix]

i think only the first one is true here

[slim hare]

ho they fixed most of the stealthbugs

actually considering coming back

[gaunt phoenix]

not tested the last one in a minute

[slim hare]

zac pliz

i need you to rant on what bother you

[fallen knot]

so

1.8 at mugzee

[red zinc]

yeah ok im just going to farm top today is not the day

[fallen knot]

nm

but

like

i have found the best quality of life trick

put ambush in stealth bar instead of dispatch

since we never hit dispatch in stealth

[gaunt phoenix]

or just over ss

[glass mortar]

i just put it where SS is

[mighty pivot]

there is still some bug with UHUH where the AR timer isn't paused in stealth but I only ever had it once

[fallen knot]

i worded

wrong

not ambush

ss

over dispatch

[gaunt phoenix]

ah ye for audacity bug

[fallen knot]

ye

[pliant wind]

im very happy ignoring ghostly strike in HO im the only one?

[gaunt phoenix]

no i do it

in keys

i dont use gs anymore

[glass mortar]

im not happy

[pliant wind]

its so smooth

[glass mortar]

but i do it

[red zinc]

gs superiority

[pliant wind]

haha

[glass mortar]

never gunna be happy giving up that much ST for some aoe

thats not what outlaws supposed to be about

🥹

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean if i was pushing rookery and feared the last boss will take 4 minutes to kill

might go gs

i fucking hate rookery

[sullen wyvern]

All your problems are solved with 1fth KiR

[glass mortar]

1fth kir also gives up a massive chunk of ST

[surreal flower]

Zone out and go sub

[glass mortar]

there is no fix

[surreal flower]

[glass mortar]

thats just zac propaganda

[gaunt phoenix]

1 FTH KIR and HO without GS should be similar st

[glass mortar]

maybe slightly less ST then HO gives up but kir trickster does less ST at a baseline so yea

itll be about the same in the end

[red zinc]

i mean

doing 1.9m st in a key is plenty

[novel socket]

you laugh but i have this conversation with a guild mate every time rogue comes up

[sullen wyvern]

Fth should be 1 single talent point instead of 2

[novel socket]

he is a firm believer that outlaw needs restealths like sin does

[glass mortar]

restealths r definitly good for outlaw

[white marten]

Sin kinda doesnt either with the hybrid build

[glass mortar]

needs is a strong word tho

[slim hare]

wait both build are using ks

[cold jewel]

a guildy of mine, big ele blaster

[slim hare]

omg hell no

i'm out

[novel socket]

they are but they are not important like they are for sin

[glass mortar]

trickster is the only viable aoe

ohno

they werent aware

[sullen wyvern]

I dont mind chain pulling as long as my tank doesn't do it when the current pull is at 5% hp

[novel socket]

and you can still restealth if tank doesn't wait by just staying in the back to drop combat

[gaunt phoenix]

normal to inform people about it

but kicking outlaw over it

[novel socket]

unless the tank is a dog that chain pulls on 3% hp

[glass mortar]

ye thats wild

[pliant wind]

outlaws should stop killing themselves with KS

that would be pretty good too

[sullen wyvern]

That's like 90% of the tanks

[novel socket]

yes

[glass mortar]

ye i mean theres a difference between chain pulling and chain pulling

when my tank hops into the next pack with 5 mobs on 10% hp

ok we are gaming

when my tank pulls the next pack with 1 mob on 3% hp that only im touching

[sullen wyvern]

10% hp is still kinda bad but not as bad

Your last scenario is the worsr though

Specially when they chain pull a boss

[glass mortar]

if a restealth could have been had with less then 5s of waiting then ur not chain pulling ur just trolling me idk

[sullen wyvern]

I legit wanna alt f4 out of the game when they do that

[fallen knot]

i mean i'm parsing purple

still

it's nm so it useless

but i guess i'm doing just fine

[glass mortar]

i just wrote a bad joke but deleted it. ive been up since 4 am and need to go get a coffee

keep slapping those meters tho king

🫡

trickster is a vibe on normal and largely herioc

u can just kspree ur heart away

[fallen knot]

yes

feels good

[late swallow]

have a nice cuppa for me king

boutta go refill mine

[fallen knot]

to style on bosses and not die badly

[late swallow]

my bike frame comes today bros

[glass mortar]

my favorite is when a frontal bait overlaps with kspree cd

[glass mortar]

just a frame? are you building a whole bike or taking parts off ur old one to carry over

i assume ur keeping the pedals at least

[zealous plinth]

Which one?

[late swallow]

i'm building a whole new bike

[glass mortar]

niiiice

[late swallow]

keeping my old one for winter training

[late swallow]

i got a sick deal on a 2025 tarmac sl8 frame

dude used it for like 500 miles and then decided to sell

it's not the sworks version, since I'm not a dentist

but it's the 10r carbon

more than I need tbh

[zealous plinth]

Nice one

Im more into mtb though ^^

[late swallow]

mtb is based

you a downhill or a cx guy?

[glass mortar]

ye the most recent biking i did was mtb

[zealous plinth]

Enduro/downhill

[glass mortar]

i took a biking class in college where we learned to maintain bikes and the guy brought us to some baby mode mountain biking stuff and it was sick

at the end of the course the guy told us we could buy the bike we used for half the retail price if we wanted to keep it

[late swallow]

that's gangster -- I'm more into road racing

[glass mortar]

sad to this day i didnt take up that offer

[late swallow]

we have some super nice country rolling hills here in MD

[glass mortar]

i didnt realize how sick the bikes he'd worked on were until i graduated, went bike shopping and struggled to find a bike that could flawlessly gearshift even on the most bumpy terrain

at least at a reasonable price

[late swallow]

that class sounds like a blast. bike industry is totally fucked right now for sure (what isn't though)

[glass mortar]

we had one guy in the class who fell over on legit every single bike ride, even on roads, and then during our "final" trip the MF forgot his helmet

[late swallow]

i've been sniping clearance deals on parts and ended up going used for the frame

[pliant wind]

[late swallow]

i got jebaited

[zealous plinth]

I don’t Like Road Racing cause of the stupid car drivers here in Germany

[proven ocean]

Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel WEAPON IS UNCAPPED DPS VERY BROKEN UNCAPPED DPS

USE BEFORE FIXED

DOES 5-10% OF UR ENTIRE DPS

OP OUTLAW WEAPON

[zealous plinth]

I hate it when they overtake like 20cm Next to you

[proven ocean]

USE USE

[glass mortar]

yea where i live now the roads arent great for biking

i used to road bike with my dad when iu lived at home

NY drivers pepelaugh

[pliant wind]

:alert:

[glass mortar]

(its me, im the NY driver)

[late swallow]

yeah that shit is cringe for sure. i'm like a 30 min bike ride from the countryside, and the roads there aren't super populated with cars

[bronze iris]

I started as a roadie in Silicon Valley. Didn’t truly appreciate how special a place it is to be a road bike rider until I moved to Houston, where drivers are routinely happy to risk cyclists’ lives to avoid slowing down even slightly

[tidal sequoia]

!auras

[glass mortar]

i do miss biking

[bronze iris]

I ride in the burbs early mornings and late evenings now. Stay safe out there 🚲

[vivid vessel]

do i know him

[gaunt phoenix]

it me

[vivid vessel]

!!

wtf

[sullen wyvern]

They will fix ks, but also buff fatebound by a shit ton so you wouldn't play KS anyways

[gaunt phoenix]

i will be sad to lose trickster

[vivid vessel]

idk how they can buff fatebound to get ahaed of trickster

back when trickster was "bad"

it was still better in aoe

[sullen wyvern]

They'll find a way

[vivid vessel]

and honestly the only reason we didnt consider it was cause ks

[sullen wyvern]

Imma miss this seasons tierset though

[vivid vessel]

if ks wasnt a thing you probably would have played it in keys maybe ?

[sullen wyvern]

17% for 5 buffs

[gaunt phoenix]

HO fatebound is >20% behind at 8 target now

[sullen wyvern]

That's the dream

[vivid vessel]

[sullen wyvern]

I thougt numbers were bad in s1

[vivid vessel]

was ahead in aoe

[gaunt phoenix]

back then trickster would like, lose dslice but win a raw aoe sim

[sullen wyvern]

Also when trickster came out, one of the first iterations was using feint for dmg or something like that?

[vivid vessel]

that never came out

was just a on paper thjing

[sullen wyvern]

I remember reading that and getting depressed

[leaden folio]

https://mythicstats.com/dps

omg rogue outlaw S tier

[gaunt phoenix]

[exotic agate]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[leaden folio]

except if i play some key, will be back on A tier

[near rock]

@vivid vessel https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dQV2z1ZqqumGXvE5tUu21P just missin goon squad trinket and a ring

im rdy for next week

[vivid vessel]

wtf !

?

you trolling or what

wtf is this

you took this from vault ?

[near rock]

yeah man i did 1 key that week

that was my only choice

[vivid vessel]

i would have taken the singular token

not taking that ring on god

[near rock]

im max sockets already

yolo

[vivid vessel]

more

more sockets

[gaunt phoenix]

cant you buy half a spark

[vivid vessel]

ye i think so

[red zinc]

i need to go kill mythic cauldron man

so much good loot

[latent oak]

it never drops dont worry

[red zinc]

oh not even the weapon

more in need of the belt and hands than anything

[velvet dagger]

rookie numbers

[glass mortar]

tfw 675 outlaw rogue barely outsims my 670 WW monk rat alt

☠️

doesnt even have HoC

[keen belfry]

guys i just cleared to duo boss in flood gate 16, not a single 5 roll

may i ask why?

[glass mortar]

it happens

🙂

[keen belfry]

mhm

but may i ask why?>

[gaunt phoenix]

HO players punished by god

[keen belfry]

imagine playinmg HO

the only opporutunity you are missing is the hidden power of KIR

amirite?

[gaunt phoenix]

oh you were kir

KIR players punished by god

[keen belfry]

i will never be a HO player

everytime i play it

i think no 🙂

[fallen knot]

did 3.3m in cinderbrew10

again as 650

[red zinc]

this mace goes dummy hard

[glass mortar]

well ok u gotta be pretty fukin unlucky

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[glass mortar]

to not have a 5 roll for entire boss as kir

but as HO its not uncommon, especially in keys with bosses much shorter then raid

[keen belfry]

it was 6 minutes into the dungeon

[glass mortar]

its why i hate HO ST this season

[keen belfry]

that felt like a record

[glass mortar]

on average its fine in dungeons sure

doesnt feel fine when u face a ST boss and dont roll a 5 buff entire fight tho

[fallen knot]

so

[keen belfry]

i think i had a kultharok where i rolled 1 buff 3 rolls in a row

[fallen knot]

in my whole 3 keys as outlaw this season

kir 1fth trickster feels like walking around while having been shot in both legs

[glass mortar]

just get broadside 4head

[fallen knot]

ho aoe is 95% highs

[keen belfry]

i think 1fth takes a lot of practice

[glass mortar]

i agree 1 FtH kir is stank

[keen belfry]

pressing PS at 4 feels so weird

[fallen knot]

and 5% lows

[glass mortar]

i just play ghostly when im playing kir

[fallen knot]

but like

[red zinc]

1fth kir blessed

[fallen knot]

spam roll hit ambush ggwp you gap a 660 balance in cinderbrew

[red zinc]

if you're gapping that guy while doing 3.3mil

he was not using his hands

[fallen knot]

650

me

3 keys in

[red zinc]

yeah that doesnt have anything to do with you

[fallen knot]

tell me i'm good

ok

[red zinc]

hes just very bad

[fallen knot]

well

[red zinc]

good job though

proud of u

[fallen knot]

tyvm

[glass mortar]

a boomkin player that does less then 10m dps in first room of cinderbrew is letting his actual cat play the character for him or

maybe just dinged 80

one or the other

[red zinc]

if the key is resilient and i outburst the dk on first pull cinderbrew

i am gone

[fallen knot]

was 2.8k adn 3.1k on main

[keen belfry]

i did a 16 top yesterday boomkin did 2.88mil and he said i took his aoe. cope right?

[red zinc]

what aoe

[fallen knot]

first part of trash i ended 4.91 and he was at 5.37

[red zinc]

theres barely any packs where you can "steal" aoe

just st harder cuh

[fallen knot]

658mace doing 4.5% overall

love it

[keen belfry]

gorechop feels like outlaw rogue blast

i did 399mil to gorechop

[formal crest]

Is there any other spec in game which has this much difference between hero talents?

Its crazy

[frail veldt]

Definitely

[gaunt phoenix]

no idea

[vestal notch]

assa fatebound is also 20% behind in aoe or so

[frail veldt]

Yeah sub too p sure for trickster

[gaunt phoenix]

fatebound how far you have fallen

[frail veldt]

Esp in low count

[formal crest]

I play enha also, stormbringer was behind totemic a bit and then they buffed it so now thay are very very close, and to have 20% diff here and do nothing is very strange

[cold jewel]

probably not he's US. name is Dumpleton

[rotund zodiac]

!rtb

[ornate heath]

How to use RTB
( HO build)

• Roll on cooldown until you get a 5 buff. If you have 4 total buffs including CTO, you can choose to keep them until 3, it's not an expected dps loss or gain.

( KIR build)

• Has a concept of buffs being preserved through RTB casts after pressing KIR instead of being rolled off.
• Use this weakaura to see how many buffs you "will lose" by pressing RTB (red or blue border).
• Roll if you will lose between 0-2 buffs.
• Roll if you will lose between 3-4 buffs if they are all below ~10s remaining.
• If you KIR a natural 5 buff, wait until buffs approach ~41s remaining before rolling.

The faq elaborates on these rules.

[red zinc]

today is the day

dont worry

!!

what was that

sorry

[glass mortar]

I mean its honestly fine to not tune fatebound, it's not like trickster forces any negative changes to the gameplay

[wintry solar]

Oooooooooo Timmy said a bad word

[red zinc]

i didnt say a bad word

[glass mortar]

You barely even notice the difference between it and fatebound anyway

[red zinc]

it was just an emote that started with cope

[glass mortar]

[red zinc]

and i literally couldnt see what it was

[wintry solar]

[frail veldt]

LOL

[vivid vessel]

i hate motherlode

the guy that made the trash

in here

[formal crest]

But if you have 2 hero talents you certainly dont want 1 of them to have 97% and another one 3% represtation in m+. Does not make sense.

[vivid vessel]

is a fucking dumbass

[frail veldt]

The spider tank mobs

[fallen knot]

zac come do 10s with monk

[frail veldt]

Have SO MUCH AOE

[fallen knot]

stop pushing

[frail veldt]

It's so anti melee

[shell fossil]

it's very repetitive running out of circles

[keen belfry]

its actually crazy that a tree revolving around KS is so so much better than fatebound

[shell fossil]

the hired assassins are cool at least

[keen belfry]

is fatebounds best part its increased SS%?

i liked its empowered dispatches i guess

[frail veldt]

I mean if fatebound was within 2% on sims we'd all probably run it

Cuz KS is so so so so so aids

[keen belfry]

yeah true but trickster tree is banger

i think coup is fun

perma tricks

[frail veldt]

Yeah I agree

Trickster is amazing except for KS

I LOVE perma tricks

[vivid vessel]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx8u361gyHJq2J-JHbzx7uO-X7hLIP2-6y?si=XRIXIf3Zfx6KcR8y

[frail veldt]

So so so good

[vivid vessel]

why is there

aoes

on top of aoes

then other aoes

that spawns from aoes

then more aoes

and then aoes

[keen belfry]

when your tank dies but the mobs just go after him respawning

[frail veldt]

Yeah motherload designer had a hard on for circles

[vivid vessel]

the designer is just fucking stupid

[frail veldt]

Lol that's actually saved runs for me

[vivid vessel]

and didnt play

his key

[wintry solar]

And then he can't mount and the mobs are humanoid so they pull more mobs on the way to the tank

[frail veldt]

Bro these designers are doing weekly 10s at most

[vivid vessel]

even in weeklies its annoying

[frail veldt]

Or playing bm hunter

[vivid vessel]

he just didnt

loggin

into his key

once

its such terrible design

all these packs

im afk

90%

of the time

[shell fossil]

the homing mines from the end probably upset someone and they just did circles lmao ⭕️

[vivid vessel]

like idk

let me play the game

thoughts ??

why do they like people just afking

running around

why are the aoes

enormouys

why every mob

does an aoe

[late swallow]

Dungeon designers love staying true to their color palettes

Red dungeon gets red swirlies

Based

[bright crane]

My fav is priory

YELLOW EVERYTHING

[wintry solar]

RAHHH

[late swallow]

Piss dungeon? Piss splatter swirlies

[wintry solar]

Also, teal armor set every season. Idk why they do that.

Purple mythic set

Zzzzz

[bright crane]

I’m usually into their black/red variants

Those go hard 9/10 times

[shell fossil]

the bricks in genreal have 0 contrast like no dirt in the grout, sigh

[late swallow]

I want more glowy white sets

[wintry solar]

True

Also true

[vivid vessel]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxputawHs4BmW0vlN-P-YxelThZ6uD0Q9Q?si=M6PkulDGB6l7oaYu

@frail veldt

[wintry solar]

The rep sets this expac have been better than the tier sets

[vivid vessel]

like

[scarlet nexus]

hey quick question whats the reason ppl are playing the 658 ilvl nightfall mace as offhand weapon about mythic track weapons?

[vivid vessel]

wtf is happening

here

?????

[late swallow]

Shameless self promo

[gaunt phoenix]

Pinned message

its good in keys, vanish resets the proc

[desert tendon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1330259961690718369/1370065996764676096/image.png?ex=681e24e4&is=681cd364&hm=743532f74334ae494238774928bfe5393acb4f84bd71f29cff5a8bdc94542ef4&

@vivid vessel

someone sent me that

aug is back

gg

[bright crane]

Literally FUCK aug

[vivid vessel]

[late swallow]

Apparently aug is back unironically

[scarlet nexus]

ah thx didnt see the pinned message

[bright crane]

Legitimately the worst decision they’ve made

[late swallow]

Not sure if it’s blanket better everywhere

But iirc it’s viable now

[red zinc]

me when i buff a spec for raid for the 100 people worldwide still playing it and bumblast hundreds of thousands of melee players in m+ in the process

[bright crane]

They should go and give it the old yeller treatment again

[vestal notch]

oh fuck no man

[late swallow]

[desert tendon]

the best part

is that

[gaunt phoenix]

[desert tendon]

they were not even that bad before the last set of fixes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1370000532558839908/663782B2-15F1-430E-B8F8-AE352C16FD59.png?ex=681de7ec&is=681c966c&hm=3933e78b3157edbd8e6a959814c7506be8f432efa00c8afc00bf4ed782cce318&

659 aug pumping

[late swallow]

Amazing