outlaw

[glass mortar]

nothing just bind it like any on use trinket and use it close to on cd

[sick hull]

(was trying to avoid having yet another key to press)

[glass mortar]

its bad practice to macro trinkets because if its ever on a button which u use to break stealth (which could potentially be most of them) it will break subterfuge

also for that trinket in particular, the cart shoots out in a straight line from you and can "miss"

you dont want it to be firing when u dont know its firing

or u can waste the entire use

it doesnt track a target or anything

[sick hull]

ahh capisce

another question. IcyVeins has that Semi-Charmed amulet is BiS, but when simmed, i lose dps

[glass mortar]

bis lists r useless

trust sims

[gaunt phoenix]

ye it's not bis

[sick hull]

understood!

[gaunt phoenix]

bis is most likely crafted neck or pvp neck

[latent oak]

whens kazzak killable again

[gaunt phoenix]

I mean you can make a pretty solid "bis options" but people just dont

[latent oak]

need me some fire damage on my autoas

[gaunt phoenix]

kazzaka is like november

[glass mortar]

we actually didnt use kazzak last time it came around

i think its a crit vers neck ye?

haste tax too expensive

[latent oak]

oh ya they nerfed it to veteran track instead of champ right

[glass mortar]

it was a track lower as well yea

[gaunt phoenix]

oh

so my jokes about 'they wont nerf the mace, its like nerfing kazzak neck' are slightly unfounded

[glass mortar]

well kazzak neck did last a whole expansion

[latent oak]

they didnt nerf it mid tier

[glass mortar]

it mostly got nerfed by ilvl availability this expac

and the haste tax

[latent oak]

idk about haste tax being a reason, plenty of other places to pick up haste

[keen belfry]

did someone say blazefury medallion

[glass mortar]

not rlly in s1 idk

[keen belfry]

s1 haste was cringey

[latent oak]

oh ofc s1

ya u right

[glass mortar]

giving up a whole jewlery slot of haste was a bit rough, ud probably need to make a gearset around just trying to make the medallion work

and it wasnt rlly worth at its ilvl

[loud locust]

first attempt bis trinket

who do you know that's doing it like me

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[heavy shadow]

man first time doing keys since buffs, feelsomuchbetter

[royal hollow]

not a single vault question in the last 2 hours, whats gonna on

[latent oak]

link vault mitch?

does that count as a question

[gaunt phoenix]

#outlaw message

68 minutes ago !

[royal hollow]

oh mb

sorry i failed math in highschool

[royal hollow]

logging in, mostly lilely trash

[latent oak]

myth track priory chest incoming

[gaunt phoenix]

trash...master's mantle

[royal hollow]

already have that

[gaunt phoenix]

mythic?

[glass mortar]

i got my last socket

[latent oak]

with avoidance then :)

[royal hollow]

ye i got it on first kill

[gaunt phoenix]

its from workshop

[royal hollow]

wait

oh the cloak

[gaunt phoenix]

yee

[glass mortar]

the pure vers cloak

[royal hollow]

idk why i thought it was the stix trinket

[latent oak]

junk vs trash

big diff

wait this tier we can have a junk trinket a garbage trinket and a trash cloak

[royal hollow]

is there a difference between junk and trash, serious question

[gaunt phoenix]

like in english?

[royal hollow]

yes

coz they are the same in my brain

[latent oak]

i guess there is a slight difference but not really

[heavy shadow]

put it this way, you don't want junk in your face

[gaunt phoenix]

junk is more informal i guess

[latent oak]

junk can be used to refer to 'stuff' where trash is normally always referring to waste

[gaunt phoenix]

'junk shop' sells thrifty stuff

[royal hollow]

[jolly geyser]

junkyard

trashyard doesnt hit same

[royal hollow]

go buy a lottery ticket asap

[latent oak]

lmao

[royal hollow]

[fathom bramble]

I feel like junk is more like items that could be useful to someone especially for sentimental reasons

[latent oak]

ezpz

[fathom bramble]

While trash is strictly not

At least to me

[pure folio]

ya

Trash is usually meaning useless, while junk is little value

[royal hollow]

like not valuable to most but useful to some?

[dawn talon]

junk usually refers to stuff that could have a use but is beat up/low value/not worth holding on to unless you can think of why you'd want it

trash is waste

[latent oak]

junk can also be used to refer to waste aswell

like there is definately decent overlap between them both

[gaunt phoenix]

someone can be trash at outlaw

[royal hollow]

can someone be junk at outlaw

[fathom bramble]

definitely never heard someone describe their skill level as junk either

[royal hollow]

doesnt sounds right lol

[glass mortar]

nah never used in that sorta context

junk is stuff you think isnt needed

it can be trash, it could also just be stuff not useful to u

trash is like, going in the garbage

probably nobody would want this thing

[runic bough]

Okay guys I will be posting this throughout the day. Starting new event for Tuesdays possibly..

***Outlaw Tuesdays

I'm gonna host triple outlaw tonight around 830pm PST. I think I got an 11 from vault. (NA servers)*** Got a guild healer so far (reliable). Lmk if interested.
Need 2 outlaws.
1 carry is allowed.
Can lower to 10 key..

[vivid vessel]

[gaunt phoenix]

Ryu the last one was 30 minutes ago

[fathom bramble]

busy at 8:30

[runic bough]

I saw new faces sorry

[glass mortar]

thats 11:30 est which is raid time o clock for me

[vivid vessel]

1 hour ago actually

[glass mortar]

hf

[vivid vessel]

i just checked

nice lie

[gaunt phoenix]

blind ass #outlaw message

[vivid vessel]

wtf

u nussed tgat ibe

why

[fathom bramble]

thoughts?

[latent oak]

21:10]zac: u nussed tgat ibe

[glass mortar]

zac cant even see keyboard rn

[fathom bramble]

is this vault junk or trash?

[vivid vessel]

bro machine gunning them

mega trash lok

try again

[royal hollow]

i tihnk its junk

[vivid vessel]

shit

i had my hands shifted on keyboard

[glass mortar]

same lok same

i just need to save up and craft a chest today

[vivid vessel]

bro lok

[glass mortar]

and also swap all the gems and enchant

[vivid vessel]

you know what im getting on vault toimorrow

[glass mortar]

i shuld also craft a ring ig

[vivid vessel]

CAPO

[fathom bramble]

100%

[vivid vessel]

WE CAPPING

ON GOD

cant wait to wake up early

and send the capo in here

[slate forge]

Double ring craft kind of day

[vivid vessel]

hmmmge

[fathom bramble]

still hoping we get a good bandit ring I can snag

but it's just so unlikely

[vivid vessel]

im thinking of crafting ring and getting the neck from delve

to finish my gear

[glass mortar]

"Getting the neck from delve"

[gaunt phoenix]

are you sure its better

[glass mortar]

🫡

[vivid vessel]

than crafted neck?

[glass mortar]

get delving brother

[royal hollow]

hero track delve ring?

[vivid vessel]

it sims better for me idk

[runic bough]

@royal hollow , @fathom bramble Lok want to run triple outlaw for fun ?

[latent oak]

is outlaw the only spec that would want heavy vers/small crit or haste?

[gaunt phoenix]

pvp neck?

[vivid vessel]

i think depends on your stats budget

pvp neck wont go up in ilvl

so that one is doomed

[gaunt phoenix]

is it

idk

[fathom bramble]

it's the only spec where such a ring is genuinely bis I believe

[vivid vessel]

ye

[glass mortar]

i mean r u gunna upgrade hero track stuff to 665

[fathom bramble]

there are some specs that would like it about as much as a vers/crit craft

[glass mortar]

with impending crests

i guess its just longer grinding

might as well

[gaunt phoenix]

ya but neck ilevel is 0.2% dps

[glass mortar]

ye

[royal hollow]

wouldnt it be good for fire mage?

[glass mortar]

dif between a 665 delver neck and pvp is probably like

0.1%

[vivid vessel]

the delve trinket is already super good tho

[royal hollow]

gonna be taken today very likely

[vivid vessel]

still trash

again ?

[gaunt phoenix]

what is delve neck

[fathom bramble]

idk

boot upgrade at least

[latent oak]

boots good

[gaunt phoenix]

called

[fathom bramble]

heroic last stride on this character so I'll take it

[vivid vessel]

this is pvp

[royal hollow]

wtf

[latent oak]

juicy distribution

[vivid vessel]

and like idk its a lot of vers you know

[slate forge]

I have hero heavy verse low haste hero oab ring but I though crafted would be better?

[vivid vessel]

it sims better than crafted neck for me last i checked

but its hard cause you need to reallocate all your gear stat budget

but also i think it make sense

[royal hollow]

i think pvp/delve neck good coz with the ilv boost we get later, we might be getting too much haste

[vivid vessel]

ideally you have every piece with high vers low haste

and you get your 20% like that

[glass mortar]

unless ur profile desperatly needs haste or something doubtful

[gaunt phoenix]

that should be bis

No ring has 6000 vers

except bandit

[fathom bramble]

yeah at the time a crafted one was better for me so I made one

but all the rebalancing makes it weird

[surreal flower]

I took this from vault except mastery instead of crit

Slowly building the outlaw set

Nobody else needs capo from mugzee

[gaunt phoenix]

still coping they will let you dinar one

[hybrid crown]

Ewwww mastery

[glass mortar]

dinar one, but its stats are still rng

id respect it

[gaunt phoenix]

ill take it

[latent oak]

that would be sick

[royal hollow]

gamba dinar

[glass mortar]

tru gamba tier

3 shots at that big vers OaB ring

[gaunt phoenix]

nothing else to spend them on after capo anyway

[latent oak]

cant u sell the item back if u dont equip it

typuically

[glass mortar]

tru

sets its stats on equip

💅

[royal hollow]

[fathom bramble]

what if all rings in the game only had 1 set stat on them

so they were like half rng

[hybrid crown]

Be sure to log in early to see if weird stuff happens like tertiary rolls

[latent oak]

i hope the vendor is a slot machine

[runic bough]

Nobody here from NA will be on tonight for 1 fun key triple outlaw awwww guys cmon

[hybrid crown]

Before blizz fixes it

[runic bough]

Lets make this a Tuesday event

[latent oak]

u just need to multibox it

[hybrid crown]

I have raid

Otherwise I kinda want to esp if you did 4 outlaw

[glass mortar]

ur putting this event at 11:30 PM EST

which is going to be raid time for a lot of NA

or bed time for about half of NA

[runic bough]

Well its like in the middle of everyone

Time wise

[stuck sparrow]

Yo guys its me, Ryukage.

With the announcement of visions coming back, in reference to BFA.

I would like to send out our best prayers to change bladeflurry back to the BFA design.

Uncapped Bladeflurry

Please, spread this message to all Outlaws across the world. Your prayers are needed more than ever. (The 25 that remain after the killingspree genocide)

Lets restore Bladeflurry to its rightful glory, uncapped. Where it should have stayed, since outlaw has no other aoe damage.

Respect,
Ex-Outlaw

[runic bough]

I remember that

[chilly atlas]

bfa was peak m+ anyway

[slate forge]

Some of us can’t get a vexie trinket 😦

[runic bough]

If you can't make it at 830pm pst tonight, suggest me what time you can.

[lyric saffron]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[runic bough]

Ok I modified the next ad in another hour

I should put this in bnet forums

Gain more outlaw awareness with this event

Maybe see more bug fixes in future with more popularity

[glass mortar]

which bugs r we looking to have fixed at this point

its just kspree stagger bug really which is pretty annoying

but rare as well

subterfuge trinket bug i guess

[runic bough]

I guess 20 talent node rework as well

[glass mortar]

thats been a thing since subterfuge was added to the game 10 years ago tho

[runic bough]

I swear I think energy regen is bugged too

[slate forge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o81dFB14HEXeT8PuZGSBSu thoughts?

[runic bough]

I should clip a reel for you guys to see

Can't even press 1 bte during window sometimes

[glass mortar]

looks like u probably have more haste then the sim wants

but also ur ring is 658/665

would probably be barely outside margin of error if it was 665

[slate forge]

True

Maybe I should see if recrafting neck to crit is better

[glass mortar]

u have a haste crafted neck so that probably helps

alot of people have the pvp neck so its tiny haste huge vers

[slate forge]

Need two slots for embellishment?

[glass mortar]

yea

im using bracers/boots rn

but i have uh

4 pieces of crafted

soon to be 5 or 6

nevervault gear

🫡

[slate forge]

Is there anything you would suggest I craft?

[latent oak]

@vivid vessel did u know u can grapple through the wall that everyone jumps over at the start of ML

[glass mortar]

maybe shoulders or a chest if u could swap to 678 tier legs

but that stuff might be margin of error

[latent oak]

more wox tech that i was unaware of

[glass mortar]

ur basically just swapping secondaries at the cost of 3 ilvl

[slate forge]

Probably just use gilded on hopefully vexie trinket/ gloves if they drop this week

[dawn talon]

can u clip ?

i haven't seen this

just go stand on the barrel and jump + grapple?

[latent oak]

dont need to stand on barrel

can just cast grapple on other side of the wal

and u go through it

[dawn talon]

lmfao?

[latent oak]

ya

[glass mortar]

danny phantom style

[latent oak]

i think it was wox stream that i found it

might have been from mitch's actually idk

[runic bough]

I'm kinda tempted to go trickster for the video

I can't imagine 3 killingspree at the same time

Would be funny if we all died

[gaunt phoenix]

want to see ryu playing ho fatebound and getting gapped by 18% by the other outlaws

[runic bough]

Yeah we could see that too

[vivid vessel]

ye lol

i know

i ddo it all the time cause i jave 0 idea how to jump overi t

[keen belfry]

man zac is so ass

[gaunt phoenix]

real

[keen belfry]

bro cant even angle his camera to the riht of the lip

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix

the trinket

kinda poggers no ?

its last boss rookery damage amps

[cinder relic]

It's a good trinket yep

[vivid vessel]

I really like the flexibility of it in keys

thats a good m+ trinket for sure

good for high keys

[glass mortar]

trinket goes hard on last boss rook ye

its a cute design

wish u got more payoff for playing around stacks in aoe

thing scales worse then meteoring trinkets

☠️

but its decent regardless

[primal otter]

How does outlaw st fare in keys?

[cinder relic]

Really good

[vivid vessel]

outlaw st is one of the best with arcane and shit

[primal otter]

Oh yay!

[vivid vessel]

assa isnt far behind tho with the high keys builds

[primal otter]

woo I love boss dmg lol

[vivid vessel]

and if you pull into bosses its gonna be better

[cinder relic]

Sin bleed build is ass st

[primal otter]

This is encouraging me to outlaw my main alt

[vivid vessel]

no one plays bleed build in high keys tho so

[proven ocean]

u know whats betteR?

not using it and going sub

[obtuse hollow]

Isn't kingsbane st pretty mid as well

Just better than bleed

[proven ocean]

not it isnt

[primal otter]

You all have such beautiful profile pictures

[proven ocean]

kingsbane st is good

[glass mortar]

zac u play any WW in keys yet

WW ST actually goes pretty hard

[tight kernel]

Bloodmallet uses FB KIR?

[vivid vessel]

i did

depleted 10 workshop

thoughts ?

[glass mortar]

hmm

[cinder relic]

Who tf Doin high keys

[vivid vessel]

real

i only do 10s

[cinder relic]

Yeah the build 5 people play

[glass mortar]

u were playing brm i assume in this key?

or u just mashing ur combo point generator like ur playing rogue

[vivid vessel]

i mean im unsure if people in normal keys shouldnt just play the high keys builds aswell lol

[glass mortar]

[vivid vessel]

thtats the same shit for kir

[keen belfry]

shingding

[vivid vessel]

all of df people been saying kir is for coordinated groups

where you dont die and shit

brother

thats so cap

[obtuse hollow]

Can they even do 2m without lust?

[vivid vessel]

just play the build that does more dam ?

thoughts ?

[keen belfry]

pull around his KIR

[glass mortar]

coordinated groups doing a lot of heavy lifting here

all people meant was not shit keys were ur spam wiping

that can be good pugs

or pugs in low keys

or organized higher keys

[vivid vessel]

bro i have pugged all type of keys playing kir

shit doesnt matter

play the build that does daamge

[glass mortar]

u dont pug keys at a level where ur spam wiping but still timing

[vivid vessel]

stop assuming you are bad cause other people

[glass mortar]

?

[vivid vessel]

you are bad cause you are bad

fr fr

weran

next week

[primal otter]

I feel like spam wiping stops at 12+ because people just leave

[vivid vessel]

you carry me a key on my ww

[glass mortar]

i mean u get back to a pack after a wipe with AR on cd and KiR on a 5m cd and tell me u do more then half tank damage

[vivid vessel]

ok ?

[proven ocean]

ye

[glass mortar]

HO at least can still fake crackshot

yeye

[proven ocean]

i do 1.9m st pressing feint on cd

[glass mortar]

invite me i will show u how to WW

[proven ocean]

no adds

[glass mortar]

its pretty easy (ur rotation is almost the same as st)

[vivid vessel]

arent you na

[glass mortar]

yes

[silk stirrup]

Eww NA

[tight kernel]

Not Vers/Haste but still pretty good imo ???

[cinder relic]

The bleed build is so op in shit keys man

Shit dies in 30 secs

[glass mortar]

i dont do the same overalls on my WW but its not bad. think i did like 4.5m on priory 12

idk the thing is, i only play WW like 1 time a week

im MW or brm in every key

none of my friends need a dps

[vivid vessel]

and then people are like "im thinking of rerolling outlaw cause i do 0 st i feel carried"

[obtuse hollow]

ww isn't bad the only problem is the hit box imo

[cinder relic]

Ppl need to learn to love aoe build

"this is all I can do man I'm in full aoe build"

[glass mortar]

HO st in keys is just a dice roll idk

especially in 10s

bosses live 1:30s

u dont get a 5 buff

u look like a trash ST spec

u get a5 buff

u look like a good ST spec

u get 3 5 buffs and ur god descended to carry the mere mortals to good key timers

[vivid vessel]

im always topping damage as outlaw i think

[glass mortar]

sure

kir is more normalized

u have 4-5 buff like every pull of a dungeon as kir

[vivid vessel]

te ui gyess

[glass mortar]

u never go 3 packs in a row with 1-2 buffs

the variance of HO is extremely noticable this season

[obtuse hollow]

MM is the real dice roller

[glass mortar]

MM dice rolling is so boring tho

its not even ur procs that swing ur damage

its just crit rate

critting is so important for that spec

[obtuse hollow]

And ba proc

[vivid vessel]

always 1.9/2mil st

when you have 100% uptime

[keen belfry]

keyword uptime

and KS press

[glass mortar]

is that what the standard is looking like now a day

i guess i usually do that

i can easily do 1.5-1.6m as HO if u dont roll a 5 buff whole boss tho

its so tragic

[obtuse hollow]

I've done 3m+ ST as mm on a 3min fight

[glass mortar]

happens less as bosses get longer since u get more rolling opportunities

[vivid vessel]

holy !

[keen belfry]

that sounds wrong

3m ST

[glass mortar]

that sounds very wrong

u sure it wasnt a boss with a damage amp

[vivid vessel]

forgot there was damage amp

[keen belfry]

and affix

and maybe hidden adds to cleave off

[glass mortar]

3m ST would be the strongest average spec in the game with all raid buffs and ST build

based on current sims

[obtuse hollow]

Nah just mm rng

[keen belfry]

no

[glass mortar]

what boss was it

[keen belfry]

seeQ has lying kink

[tight kernel]

!haste

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[vivid vessel]

why cant monks rolls while in the air

thats so bad

[glass mortar]

u can dash in midair

after u roll

[obtuse hollow]

You can

[vivid vessel]

dash?

[glass mortar]

u can u dont go anywhere tho

only the dash works

[obtuse hollow]

You roll jump to dodge while using whirling punch

[vivid vessel]

what dash

[glass mortar]

theres a talent u take

everytime u roll u can double jump to dash forward

[obtuse hollow]

If u need to dodge mid air u can roll jump out of it

[glass mortar]

its super fun

[vivid vessel]

OH

WTF

[glass mortar]

yea

its super sick

u can do it out of ur self root btw

[vivid vessel]

insane

[keen belfry]

3M ST anyone?

[mellow depot]

Is it true that we are using citrine for ST and other ring of equal or more I’ll for aloe?>

Aoe***

[vivid vessel]

woa thats sick

[glass mortar]

ok now im looking at MMs dark ranger variance

[vivid vessel]

sounds useless tho

but sick

[glass mortar]

and maybe 3m ST is within the realm of possibility

bro wtf is this spec

[vivid vessel]

thats raid my guy

we do the same shit

[glass mortar]

nah

this is like

25% larger range then ours

only guys beating these guys r fdk deathbringer

[keen belfry]

if i eer saw someone in my key do 3m pure ST i would leave

[glass mortar]

seems unlikely tho

[keen belfry]

i would assemble the council and remove that spec

[glass mortar]

WW is fun if u like high boss damage

they honestly, probably just do worse dps then outlaw now

their target scaling is quite bad

but they still do solid dam and very nice boss dps

fun to play in keys

(i never get to play it)

[obtuse hollow]

It's more than possible it happens from time to time

[glass mortar]

the thing is this is ST with raid buffs and raid build

[keen belfry]

seeQ lying kink confirmed

[glass mortar]

i could see 3m on a 1.5m fight where it ends right after ur second trueshot

a longer fight tho?

[obtuse hollow]

I think i have a log where i did 3m ST first week on my mm, with trash gear but affix

[glass mortar]

now crit affix

will make a big difference

[vivid vessel]

im only playing it for raid idc

[glass mortar]

crit is kinda absurd for mm

u shuld try it in keys its fun tho

[vivid vessel]

i dont get this spell btw

why is that a thing

its so weird no

[glass mortar]

its just

convoke

dont think about it

[keen belfry]

guys i cant get invited to a single 16

[vivid vessel]

i feel like i just go afk for a bit

doing nothing

?

[keen belfry]

anyone wanna help?

[glass mortar]

yea

[obtuse hollow]

Just send after using ur stuffs with cd

[glass mortar]

it doesnt scale very well with targets

still worth using for the buffs tho

[vivid vessel]

why is that a spell

for ww tho

[obtuse hollow]

Well it used to with the bug lol

[glass mortar]

because hero talents

are shared

bozo

play shadowpan, its fine in dungeons

[vivid vessel]

aaah

[glass mortar]

actually it might even be stronger

[vivid vessel]

thats a hero talent

true true

so thats a healer thing

[dawn talon]

legit

it's so boring

[glass mortar]

yea its the healer one

[vivid vessel]

thats the mw thingy right

[keen belfry]

do they even know

[glass mortar]

its shared with MW

altho u play harmony in keys as MW

think u play this in raid

[dawn talon]

they don't nkow what this spec does

at all

[keen belfry]

i thought i would be in with teh community after df s3

but they forgot about me

[vivid vessel]

swear to god tho

[latent oak]

wang man whats ur stream

[vivid vessel]

idk hwy i picked ww

this thing is already tilting me weran

i feel like im back to being locked by ks

!

[glass mortar]

its such a BANGER tho

[vivid vessel]

leave me alone !

[keen belfry]

sirawang69

[dawn talon]

[vivid vessel]

waht

[glass mortar]

feels like im playing my favorite gamemode

everytime

[vivid vessel]

wdym a banger

[glass mortar]

so much fun to play on sprocket

its ok zac uve probably only really tried WW with that ability

[vivid vessel]

ye i seen people all drop it on sprocket lol

[dawn talon]

bro u dont like plunderstorm /

[glass mortar]

u dont even realize, not only is it giving u a rotational ability that force charges u

[vivid vessel]

no i played ww in sl

[glass mortar]

its replacing one of the goated mobility spells

u would have in ur kit

[vivid vessel]

yep

i know

well

[glass mortar]

i like the ability actually

[vivid vessel]

idk about goated

[glass mortar]

i dont like that it replaces tho

[vivid vessel]

i hated that spell

i dont reallyt like ww movement abilities

it feels not as controllable to me

like i know imma be rolling too far

or not far enough

[glass mortar]

u'll like them more now that u have a directly aimable air dash after ur rolls

[vivid vessel]

you know what i mean

[glass mortar]

cant believe u didnt even realize

u had that bro

its goated

[vivid vessel]

well

i didnt read any talent yet

im just vibing

i did one key

and one delve

[keen belfry]

ill stream this 16 ML for fun

[glass mortar]

u can legit like, triple fel rush if u need to

[vivid vessel]

i know the rotation from sl

[keen belfry]

i dont even need it man

[glass mortar]

if u save up ur roll charges

[keen belfry]

whyd i sign up

[glass mortar]

by rolling mid air and cancelling it with space bar

to just zoom thru space

[latent oak]

u get to stream grappling through the wall

[keen belfry]

ive never done it ill try my best

[dawn talon]

you mean the 16 ml i was applying to

[vivid vessel]

applying to a 16 ml rn with a rogue in it guys

[outer horizon]

!weapon

[vivid vessel]

wish me luck

[outer horizon]

is there a thing about why dagger at off hand

[glass mortar]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[glass mortar]

its not rlly relevant

this season anyway

we have cantrips to play with

[outer horizon]

so like if i want to craft

i just go with slow

that 0.2 gonna make nothing

[glass mortar]

well if u want to craft and u know the craft is going in ur oh theres no reason to not make a dagger

dagger can be used for multiple specs available to u

theres just not much reason to craft an oh this season

[keen belfry]

did i take ur spot man.. i dont even need this im trying to find a phys comp

[dawn talon]

yeah HAHAHA

2nd time in 3 days!!!

jk hf bro

[glass mortar]

get sniped

[runic bough]

Awang is popular outlaw

[upbeat tundra]

why this isnt even the best comp for outlaw

[keen belfry]

just give me warrior monk druid

[runic bough]

What about shaman

I think our biggest buff is windfury

[upbeat tundra]

bro thinks he's gonna log on one day and find a consistent team to play with filled with classes that buff him

[keen belfry]

awang could do it

[outer horizon]

@glass mortar Main Gauche work with dagger ? i know poeple got bugged with it

[glass mortar]

yes

mg works even with nothing in ur offhand

[upbeat tundra]

there is only one legendary outlaw that is capable of such a feat

his name is wox

[keen belfry]

awang is of legend

-awang

[past falcon]

fr

[runic bough]

Onlyfans legend?

[keen belfry]

i keep seeing riddict in que with hunter warrior monk

[past falcon]

dont forget resto sham

im addicted

[dawn talon]

legit

every key with rsham

riddict is there before i even click apply how do u do it

[past falcon]

LMAO

[keen belfry]

how much dmg do i do in this ML

[raven condor]

All of it.

[runic bough]

Okay guys I will be posting this throughout the day. Starting new event for Tuesdays possibly..

***Outlaw Tuesdays

I'm gonna host triple outlaw tonight around 830pm PST. I think I got an 11 from vault. (NA servers)*** Got a guild healer so far (reliable).

Lmk if interested
Need 2 outlaws.
1 carry allowed.

Time can change based on participant availability

Healer is druid so perfect for putting hots on ks team

[past falcon]

That’s during my raid time but I salute u 🫡🫡

[timber knoll]

holy based

[charred bough]

what causes killing spree unusable randomly during raid combat

was on rik reverb

[glass mortar]

did u get stunned

not sure what u mean by unusable

[charred bough]

yeah 5 minutes straight

i literally just smashed the button and it didn't go off

i had cp, no stun, nothing special

[glass mortar]

there is nothing that makes it unusable other then not having any combo points

and main hand weapon breaking

[runic bough]

You also need to have the energy to use ks.

[glass mortar]

actually it might need an oh weapon to cast also

[runic bough]

Ks costs energy

[glass mortar]

but other then those, there is nothing

[charred bough]

well I had resources, all my other abilities worked

[obtuse hollow]

Were you in range

[runic bough]

I'm always low on energy with trickster that was my guess

[cinder oxide]

starting OAB prog tonight princesses, please give me advice (:

[runic bough]

Oab?

[glass mortar]

one-armed bandit

theres plenty of advice thats been posted in here before but its not a complicated fight

dont be kspreeing when coin baits are happening, dont get rolled over

[runic bough]

Yeah don't stand between the boss and pillars.

[glass mortar]

in final phase u should be safe to kspree during lust at least, make sure ur starting spot wont be under a beam tho

[tight kernel]

Should Trick KIR be simming lower than FB KIR ST?

[glass mortar]

if u have enough haste to get ur kspree attack rate to be under 0.3s interval u can use it all of the execute phase

[glass mortar]

yes

kir trick is weaker ST then trick HO even

its a primarily aoe build

if u wanted ST kir for something ud play fatebound (like a raid fight)

[tight kernel]

Yeah my HO sim is 16k higher dps than FB KIR

for ST ofcourse

[last thunder]

fuu sheet outdated?

[glass mortar]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[glass mortar]

is the fuu sheet kir trickster

🤔

(no it is not)

[jolly ingot]

welcome new rogue 😁

7yo m3tz ma 3rftk 😅

[runic bough]

What there's a new outlaw player?

[jolly ingot]

sadly 😅

[viscid forge]

First craft with extra News park?

[red zinc]

wym first craft

[gaunt phoenix]

it's all recraft

[viscid forge]

Recraft sorry

[gaunt phoenix]

mainhand first if you use it

[viscid forge]

I have 678 haste vers

[daring oxide]

solo

when the corruption sims

i bet echoing void is our best

[gaunt phoenix]

#outlaw message

[daring oxide]

ah brilliant, im glad

thanks for doing this!

reckon they'll do another pass?

give gushing wounds another bumpy

[gaunt phoenix]

no idea

[wicked obsidian]

do we have also this anoying eyeball again what slows you?

[mighty pivot]

do I understand it correctly that even though GM says that it's 10% additive on BF, it acts as 20% multiplicative?

[vivid vessel]

no why

its a 10 % additive

[mighty pivot]

because with 2 targets, no fazed on the target, flawless form, and PC, it cleaves for 120% instead of 112.5%

[tribal mango]

Can I macro Ghostly Strike into sometihing else?

[mighty pivot]

and the only way that makes sense is if GM is acting as *1.2

with just GM and PC it cleaves for 96% on 2 targets

if it didn't work like that before, it might be due to the GM hotfix

this is just GM & PC (with dancing steel) or .96

[fringe tendon]

i feel liek i have random input delay after reset

like

25ms type shit

extra

[slate forge]

I changed Zac's WA for swapping weapons to TTS swap weapons when you target a enemy over a billion HP is there a better way to do that for bosses?

[gaunt phoenix]

its true

[vivid vessel]

ye

[gaunt phoenix]

@mighty pivot never speak of this again

[vivid vessel]

im looking at the same thing rn

[gaunt phoenix]

[mighty pivot]

and this is with flawless form at 1.2 or 0.96 * 1.25

[vivid vessel]

but we tested gm when it got fixed

and it wasnt like that ?

[mighty pivot]

I can just delet this B)

[gaunt phoenix]

i just saw 50 > 60 and assumed it was additive

and wasnt 10% multiplicative

lol

[vivid vessel]

i mean its 20% mult tho

[mighty pivot]

was it tested without PC and any other modifiers? it acts the same with plain BF & GM. It's the extra modifiers on top which make the difference

[vivid vessel]

hm wdym

[gaunt phoenix]

that's what im saying

[vivid vessel]

why would it change with extra modifiers

[mighty pivot]

I mean that if you just test BF & GM, 10% additive and 20% mult are the same

[gaunt phoenix]

because 20% multiplicative looks like 10% additive if you remove pc

so i thought it was

[glass mortar]

my monks logout screen has been broken since the patch

i used to take a fighting stance

now i just sit there waving my fingers menacingly

[cloud thunder]

is there a way to see your stat values in sim? specifically gear compare. im trying to sim different items to see which one will get me 19% so i cann swap between ho and kir

[vivid vessel]

how much does that matter

its likea 5% bf buff or smth right

on 2 targets

[gaunt phoenix]

it's 6.67% more bf on 2

ye

[vivid vessel]

but becomes less and less

with more targets

right

[gaunt phoenix]

yep

[vivid vessel]

ye i couldnt care less about that

nice buff i guess

wont even notice when it get fixed if it ever get fixed

[frank finch]

a postive bug?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[frank finch]

[vivid vessel]

most irrelevant bug ever tho

guess it makes pc sligly slightly stronger on lower target count

ye i decided i didnt care

[mighty pivot]

yeah on max-1 targets it's only like 1% more per target

[vivid vessel]

how tf does that happen tho

these devs ..

[runic bough]

New cook guys

What if

[vivid vessel]

nah bro

going to sleep

not reading this

[runic bough]

Bf was also our single target execute. So its not useless on bosses?

[gaunt phoenix]

[runic bough]

In single target, bf activates a execute at 35% hp or less.

[frank finch]

i have to sroll up to read this bug now

[vivid vessel]

meh

you can already forget about it

one more random ass bug to add to the folder

[wicked obsidian]

new hero tree: bug catcher

[runic bough]

In conjuction with bf hitting multiple targets. Bf now performs an execute slash dealing 1000% initial damage if only one target is present and 35% hp or lower.

Its on blade rush low damage level so as an execute 1000% bonus still might not make it good enough.

[gaunt phoenix]

this will be like the first hardcoded multiplier in the entire rogue module

In simc

[stiff hawk]

Kek

[keen belfry]

this has happened to me twice now

[gaunt phoenix]

noob

[vivid vessel]

you can grapple directly to the end as outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

i did that once and never again

[glass mortar]

^

[gaunt phoenix]

cause i suck

[glass mortar]

i mean u cant really

[vivid vessel]

nah its easy

[glass mortar]

idk can u fail it

[vivid vessel]

one sec

[glass mortar]

it either doesnt let u cast at all

[keen belfry]

how

[glass mortar]

or u go there

its not hard to do

[keen belfry]

this is first time

[runic bough]

I did it last night

[vivid vessel]

you cant fail with 2 grapple

[runic bough]

Grapple to the top then to the end.

[glass mortar]

u just run to where warlocks gate to, grapple across to furthest edge, then grapple to the end right

[runic bough]

Yeah

[glass mortar]

if ur not aimed correctly ull just get a no path error

it wont break ur grapple

[runic bough]

Just don't move or you'll fall into the lava.

[glass mortar]

zac

[runic bough]

[vivid vessel]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxm0p1G9Qd6-bSeDPeF3kPTdJcRLI7USE1?si=9L49ETs862HZHtcG @gaunt phoenix

[hollow temple]

why u die

[glass mortar]

do i craft a chest right now like a noob and be iniefficient with my resources next week

or do i play with a noob chest all week

[vivid vessel]

no but i think what solo doesnt manage to do is get to the right spot to do the grapple to end

[runic bough]

Even tricks is lurking

[vivid vessel]

but with 2 grapple you just grapple to that spot directly

[gaunt phoenix]

ah

[keen belfry]

is this the best block ever

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[vivid vessel]

right before the bolt thingy

[gaunt phoenix]

you get me

[vivid vessel]

and then its easy

ye i know cause i was struggling to get to the spot aswell

[glass mortar]

oh yea sprint is a banned button

[vivid vessel]

before i started just using double grapple like that

[glass mortar]

when running up to the initial spot

[vivid vessel]

no

you dont run up

[glass mortar]

we r too fast

if u dont just grapple up

[vivid vessel]

use your double grapple

[glass mortar]

yes i know zac

[vivid vessel]

buddy

[glass mortar]

sometimes u only have 1 charge ready

[gaunt phoenix]

love the triple SND

[glass mortar]

depends how the dog died ok

[vivid vessel]

?

delete this

[keen belfry]

ive seen that zac

idk how u do it

[vivid vessel]

asking in outlaw channel wont get an answer that i can tell you

[glass mortar]

i was gunna answer but i didnt out of respect for zac

[keen belfry]

yoou never whsiper me anymore

[vivid vessel]

i could

if you would whisper me first

[runic bough]

Okay guys I will be posting this throughout the day. Starting new event for Tuesdays possibly..

***Outlaw Tuesdays

I'm gonna host triple outlaw tonight around 830pm PST. I think I got an 11 from vault. (NA servers)*** Got a guild healer so far (reliable).

Lmk if interested
Need 2 outlaws.
1 carry allowed.

Time can change based on Outlaw availability

[vivid vessel]

[runic bough]

Fixed end of ad

[compact narwhal]

ccan someone tell me the rules or link them for roll the bones KiR build? pls n ty

[keen belfry]

#outlaw-faq

#1276308344813916261 message

[craggy barn]

hmm

with the extra ilvl next week

is the nightfall weapon still better

[compact narwhal]

tyy!!!

[slate plaza]

Yall ever raid lead and play outlaw

[runic bough]

Yes

Its the ultimate fix

But you have to really muscle memory outlaw

Before you can watch other players and timers

[slate plaza]

You rl on outlaw?

I’m considering giving it a shot honestly

But at that point I might as well tank or rl from discord

[runic bough]

Liquid and max have a good thing where he just watches now and raid leads without playing lol

[slate plaza]

My old ce rl did that

He benched himself cause he couldn’t do both at the same time lol

[runic bough]

I'm only really that comfortable to do both at the end of a season

Rotation changes or trying new classes this expansion fucked me up

You have to play the same spec all the time and just flow

[elder phoenix]

Tbh they should bring back old school outlaw rotation instead of this gun rotation bullshit

[runic bough]

fatebound is easy tho

[slate plaza]

sin raid leading would be really easy

[runic bough]

Definitely raid leader doable

[cinder relic]

So like. Wod?

[slate plaza]

current rotation is fine ish imo

[runic bough]

Killingspree will fuck you up on shotcalling

[slate plaza]

thats the big issue imo

its a somewhat unique of a outlaw itteration and the differences between kir and ho rotation is nice

[olive plank]

i tried playing outlaw yesterday and it was 100% grief potential

floodgate swamp boss i was killing spreeing and the vines was yanking my friend all over the place LOL

grief potential 10/10

100% would play again

[runic bough]

Infinite boom boom

Yes

[dawn talon]

tell them just stand still

[olive plank]

how do you guys prevent the issue of killing spree sending you into narnia

[dawn talon]

they get yanked once

[olive plank]

sometimes it returns me back to my original first position

sometimes it dont

[dawn talon]

it's not up to you

[olive plank]

which the problem becomes huge when im in mythic dungeons

it could send me right into a line or circle

and i get oneshot as i come out of ks

[runic bough]

One of the new skills needed to play trickster is to remember your start location and prepare to hook out of a mechanic.

Before I got sick of ks I was learning that

But

If unfortunate, the mechanic will go off right as you land. Killing you anyways.

[olive plank]

im really not used to using grappling hook

playing assassination shadow step just teles you to the target

but grappling hook with the wowhead mouseover macro

i actually have to mouse over the target

[runic bough]

Hook should be on a mouseover macro

[olive plank]

real muscle memory type shi

yeah but the mouseover macro you actually have to mouse over the target

otherwise it just puts you at a point on the ground

its my skill issue

[runic bough]

Yeah just move your mouse its fast

[mighty pivot]

well it's a killing spree, it just doesn't specify who's doing the killing

[olive plank]

but hard to get th emuscle memory

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix am i dumb i tought you couldnt meld on bosses https://www.twitch.tv/woxtoxic/clip/CogentPunchyPigeonEagleEye-ipAfQ3_yuJSYWD_i

restealth i mean

[frank finch]

wait wat

[olive plank]

wasnt the whole point of meld it takes you out of combat so you can immediately restealth

or in pvp you can meld and immediately start drinking

[vivid vessel]

ye except its not supposed to work on bosses cause bosses are global combat

[olive plank]

ooh

[vivid vessel]

but maybe im mistaken and htats only raid idk

i tought you coudlnt do that on any bosses

idk im confused now

[frank finch]

no cuz the nightfall weapon does not proc when u vanish on bosses

in dun's

[vivid vessel]

maybe this boss is special

@woxz

@analog fog asnwer now

leave key

[runic bough]

[gaunt phoenix]

[runic bough]

I'm not tracking unseen blades

[vivid vessel]

am i wrong

[runic bough]

Maybe that's why my trickster dmg is half

[hollow temple]

Some bosses in m+ can be melded

It’s rare tho

[gaunt phoenix]

i just walked into this delve and the boss was already here

ready to be killed

tf

[olive plank]

isnt that good

so much time saved

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[olive plank]

think of the efficiency

[vivid vessel]

did you kill it

[olive plank]

inb4 he walked out and did the dungeon properly

[gaunt phoenix]

not yet

[frank finch]

thats how it is

[vivid vessel]

kill it now

[gaunt phoenix]

it was 2 seconds ago

[olive plank]

real men dont take shortcuts

[frank finch]

u kill the boss at start for that 1

[proven ocean]

1.9m no lust no feint

sometimes 1.8 depends on rng

[gaunt phoenix]

fuk

[analog fog]

u JUST NEED the special macro work every boss

[vivid vessel]

ye sounds fake

[frank finch]

????????????????????????????????????????????

[vivid vessel]

nice try bozo

im not getting baited

macro talk again

these night elf enjoyers i cant

there is 5 of them in total

[proven ocean]

can outlaw do 9m overall?

[hollow temple]

Nelf is bis

[vivid vessel]

and each one of them has a different macro

no cap

[proven ocean]

[hollow temple]

Stop being washed !!

[proven ocean]

outlaw 9m overall when

zac

?

[analog fog]

#showtooltip
/stopattack
/stopattack
/cleartarget
/cast shadowmeld
/cancelaura shadowmeld
/cast stealth
/targetlasttarget

secret macro

[vivid vessel]

2.4b thats like one pack

noob

[proven ocean]

no

thats 3 keys

[vivid vessel]

ty for macro

[proven ocean]

not even 1

[vivid vessel]

never using it

[proven ocean]

thats 2 trillion, text bug

too much dmg

thats why

[olive plank]

fuck should i racechange from human to night elf

that shadowmeld is op

[proven ocean]

its missing 1 thing

[olive plank]

inb4 nelf nerf right as i racechange