outlaw

[cold jewel]

i forgot they pulled the boss offstream the first night

[placid gorge]

I still remember my esport

[cold jewel]

i dont think it is, i think they just wanted to try something new for the race

i do think it fucked with tuning tho

[glass mortar]

i would respect it

if some blizz dev came forward and said "the tuning was easy on purpose. gallywix doesnt deserve to be a proper end boss"

all he ever did was take credit for other peoples work

[placid gorge]

See u next season

[glass mortar]

even the suit u fight him in everytime was made by someone else

[placid gorge]

That is meta af

[cold jewel]

there is RP that gally says during the encounter that explains why mechs happen so slowly after one another

"which lever is it again??"

still way too easy tho

[glass mortar]

man trying to push some io today

[cold jewel]

are you NA weran?

[placid gorge]

No put Vanish instead of KS

[glass mortar]

finally broke 3k (am a noob in pugging)

and playing kspree in real keys

is so cursed

ya NA

[untold yarrow]

if everyone unsubbed with that message

blizz would lose maybe 250 a month income

and nothing would change

[placid gorge]

Lol i was about to say

Rogue is already low on the player list

:)))

Let alone outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

They will change ks

not tomorrow

[untold yarrow]

ill resub then

for now

[cold jewel]

shirley

[cinder relic]

This isn't the airport u dont need to announce your departure

[glass mortar]

a season of this is too much

[untold yarrow]

I aint leaving

[glass mortar]

theyve had so long to know how bad this spell is

[untold yarrow]

and ill still cry

[glass mortar]

idc that nobody touched trickster last season

a whole season

[gaunt phoenix]

no not "really bad"

[untold yarrow]

swap offhand for ST

[old gull]

lol oof

[untold yarrow]

pins say you dont get vanish bonus on bosses

[glass mortar]

for me its -3.2% st dps for nightfall mace with radiant on it vs 678 mace with depths

so the gap is not so big that if u wanted to just not macro weaponswap

[gaunt phoenix]

on bosses you will gain a percent or two

From not using it

[glass mortar]

if ur using all radiant its realistically like 1.5-2%

[gaunt phoenix]

unless your normal OH was just like a heroic crowd favorite

then its probably better

[old gull]

Heroic gally forme

[craggy barn]

now that i have myth magnet what do i do now

[untold yarrow]

do you think they gonna fix vanish proccing the mace

[gaunt phoenix]

No

[glass mortar]

nobody else can abuse it and its probably like 1-1.5% dps gain at best

[gaunt phoenix]

it would be like fixing kazzak neck

[untold yarrow]

well tehy fixed double coup

[cinder relic]

"Well they fixed a literal bug"

[glass mortar]

double coup was 7%

[cinder relic]

"SO that means they could fix anything!!"

[glass mortar]

this isnt a bug fwiw

like how do u break this

give the item an icd i guess

it resets on combat. in dungeons, u leave combat when u vanish

no bugs detected

[craggy barn]

just like shadow meld

[old gull]

I swear everytime I check into this discord some new bug appears

[craggy barn]

have they fixed meld?

no

its fine

[cinder relic]

There is no bug

[glass mortar]

its a probably unintended interaction due to the design of the item

🤷

shouldnt be too high up on the radar

[craggy barn]

maybe it IS intended

[old gull]

Interaction*

[craggy barn]

they made this just for us 🙂

this is our buff

[glass mortar]

kazzak neck was the same

[zealous plinth]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[craggy barn]

instead of patch notes

[glass mortar]

and stronger then this thing was fwiw

kazzak neck was like 2% of any neck in the game in ST

-60 ilvls

it is funny that its like, always outlaw breaking these items somehow

but thats their own fault

we are the ethical item abuser spec

at this point we should have talents

[cinder relic]

Well last season there was a world quest thing that paladins really liked

[glass mortar]

buffing damage procs

[cinder relic]

There are a handful of other specs/classes that abuse random things like that

[glass mortar]

"increases trinket usage effects by 30%"

[cold jewel]

green text spec go brrrrrrr

[glass mortar]

yea we just tend to break them more often then most

[cold jewel]

must have all green text items

RIP GS

[glass mortar]

its probably because we are the fastest damage instances/most frequent combat resetter/crit + vers stacker

we have a lot of extremes going on

[cold jewel]

[cinder relic]

I mean again just last tier there was an OP world quest trinket for ret paladin

[runic bough]

***Hi guys it's me again. I am tired of ks after getting the mace it gives me a placebo effect where I feel stronger as fatebound. Goodbye killingspree, my nightmares are over. The bane of my existence is no longer tormenting me. Killingspree, the terror you brought is over...at least for a moment. The pain is no longer felt. Fatebound we meet again.

-Ryukage
Ex-victim of Killingspree.***

[cold jewel]

he never misses i stg

[runic bough]

Wew

Life is good guys

[vivid vessel]

Doing so little damage with the shit build that the mace is starting to out damage you

[red zinc]

only thing he misses is his meds

[last notch]

they haven`t nerfed it yet, right?

[runic bough]

Why can't I just enjoy not using ks

[glass mortar]

because blizzard doesnt want u to do damage

[runic bough]

Geez

[glass mortar]

if u dont play ks

but its ok

[proven ocean]

I miss vrgl

[glass mortar]

our damage is strong enough now

u probably still crush pugs

while doing -20% raw dps

[proven ocean]

discord is boring without vrgl

[runic bough]

Kir fate still pulled 7mil with the new mace

Not bad

I dont mind losing 2mil if I don't have to use ks.

[glass mortar]

yea in these priorise i was peaking at 13m with the mace

on uncapped pulls with an fast vanish

and thats as HO

kir could peak even higher probably

the mace unironically adds like 10m damage per vanish cast to bit pulls

[cold jewel]

i saw an udk end @ 22mil on first pack of 14 Flood yesterday

[glass mortar]

and u gotta wiggle around to blanket all the mobs with bf

[cold jewel]

good riddance

[glass mortar]

its kinda fun

[red zinc]

kinda low no cap

just get double blood beasts and end on 30 as the second one explodes

[cold jewel]

(he still ended up being 3rd dps)

[runic bough]

I still havnt played with an udk that beat me

Must be all rerollers

[red zinc]

impressive

[runic bough]

Would be nice playing with no bots

[red zinc]

if you're playing a two button spec that poorly you gotta rethink your whole perspective on life icl

[cold jewel]

you guys think jpc goes assa now?

[red zinc]

😭

[cold jewel]

or hangs it up for the szn?

[red zinc]

idk why people are acting like udk wont be the best still

still pretty strong and very durable

[cold jewel]

idk

i think havoc might beat it out now for meta comp tbh

but only time will tell

[hollow temple]

he invested a lot in gearing the dk so i doubt

[red zinc]

havoc?

[runic bough]

I havnt played my dh in weeks now

[cold jewel]

bro he got his dk almost bis-geared in 1 reclear

i think he would be okay to reroll lmao

[red zinc]

am i missing something?

[fallen knot]

pretty sure

[cold jewel]

havoc is good timmy

[red zinc]

class didnt get buffed and i havent seen a havoc even time a 19

[spark glade]

!sim

[fallen knot]

dk will still be omega

only other giga aoe spec is elemental and maybe ret

but dk has grip, ams to immune mechanics

and

[hollow temple]

[red zinc]

like the best havoc has timed 3 18's

i dont see how thats the next in line

[fallen knot]

it has a second dps spec

[red zinc]

compared to all the other specs

[fallen knot]

that is already doing good on some dungeons

[runic bough]

Havoc need some new resource system imo

[cold jewel]

not saying he will reroll for sure, just saying he would be fine if he needed to

[pastel crag]

Leveling up a rogue and wasn't clear about this language in the prio rotation " Between the Eyes if buff duration is 4 or less seconds, or you have Ruthless Precision buff active at 6 or more combo points". Which buff should be 4 or less seconds?

[hollow temple]

im just fucking around either way

lol

[cold jewel]

ye same

[cinder relic]

the buff that BTE provides

[gaunt phoenix]

between the eyes crit buff

[cold jewel]

no one knows until it comes down to it

[pastel crag]

Ahh gotcha

[red zinc]

jpc was in here 2 days ago

so who knows

[hollow temple]

outlaw is back

[cold jewel]

ye i know i raid with him

[fallen knot]

outlaw is so back

[cold jewel]

which is why i know its good

[spark glade]

!log

[red zinc]

sure its good

theres like 10 good specs

[cold jewel]

not wrong

this season kinda a banger

[hollow temple]

i feel like if anything replaced udk it would be assa

[cold jewel]

same

[red zinc]

dont know if the healer can handle it is all

[hollow temple]

havoc is definitely good but

[cold jewel]

but i could see havoc with its magic buff sliding in too. interested to see what happens. honestly tho you guys are prob right its prob still dk

[fallen knot]

frost dk

[hollow temple]

idk if u can justify running veng+havoc

[red zinc]

im still confused what happened to demo

mfs were in here dooming

day after buff

[cold jewel]

are all top keys rn veng?

[red zinc]

yes

[cold jewel]

i haven't checked in a while

[hollow temple]

ye

pretty much

[red zinc]

theres like 1 warrior key in the top 100 something

[hollow temple]

there's a little pwar

[cold jewel]

damn

[red zinc]

like genuinely though

if raid buffs didnt exist in m+

meta rn would be so diverse

but its still just a bit of a stacking thing

[runic bough]

Its insanely hard to pug as dps. But on my dh tank prob finish weekly vault in a day or two. Tank perks are just too strong guys.

[cold jewel]

healing is up there too and you dont have to worry abt routes

been vibing all season its such a nice change

[runic bough]

I forgot I had 3 mythic vault slots was prob just sitting there from 2 weeks ago when I started outlaw again

Hmmm

I'm almost 670 in two weeks

Not bad

[daring oxide]

@vivid vessel I dethroned you on mythic gallywix

upped ya by 200k bro

[fallen knot]

same

but i played uhdk so gearing was easy cause people just invited me in keys even with 0 score and 655 ilvl

[runic bough]

Must be nice playing a dps meta. Instant que like tank and heals.

[fallen knot]

week1 i did 8/8hc and 2/8m

[runic bough]

Damn

[vivid vessel]

gg

[fallen knot]

this week i'm 668 with 2 658 items

[daring oxide]

ty for your logs 😛

it actually helped so much

[vivid vessel]

no i wont win ever again

[daring oxide]

when to Killing spree etc

[vivid vessel]

you got to prog

its over

[daring oxide]

nah

i got lucky tbh

[runic bough]

If I get another mythic slot and spark tomorrow, I should be 668 and upping everything else to 665 should get me 669 maybe.

[daring oxide]

i think i had good rtb

[vivid vessel]

i have thjings for next week anyway

beating you

bozo

[daring oxide]

dam

[fallen knot]

if gearing is this easy, and i couldnt believe it, i'll just gear the outlaw aswell just for the sake of it

[red zinc]

he has the mace swapping strat

im spoiling it

[vivid vessel]

wtf dont leak !

[runic bough]

Outlaw tech leaked

[red zinc]

im impartial i want a fair fight

[runic bough]

[vivid vessel]

bro he progged the fight has outlaw

he has like 20 more outlaw hours than me on the fight !

[red zinc]

tell your guild to stop being some hoes

[vivid vessel]

wdym impartial !

[red zinc]

also zac

im locked in once again

the big gs weakaura is carrying me

[runic bough]

Zac are you able to prog as outlaw now?

[red zinc]

its back

[vivid vessel]

[red zinc]

like i genuinely cant play without it

i really tried

i just keep forgetting the button exists

[runic bough]

Well this raid doesn't count as prog for zac

[daring oxide]

i actually played gallywix with the mace equipped by mistake LOL

i just realised

i didnt have my Mugzee Hc in offhand

FUK

[vivid vessel]

xdd

[daring oxide]

it did 0.9% overall

dam

thats so scuffed

[red zinc]

probably only like a .2-.5% loss then

doesnt matter

[daring oxide]

doesnt gallywix do like

3%?

mugzee*

[red zinc]

ye but no stats

[daring oxide]

cant remember

oh true

[red zinc]

idk didnt sim it vs capo

but shouldnt be that big of a gap

still better tho

[cold jewel]

this is cursed but i respect it

[red zinc]

ive tried to stop this i swear

[cold jewel]

i do the same with BF now although it's not quite as big OR far lmao

[proven ocean]

?????????

whats this for even

[cold jewel]

pressing it for cps turned my brain to mush so i kept forgetting to press it at the beginning of the season

[red zinc]

zeross you got outdpsd by this

[cold jewel]

LOL

[red zinc]

(300 ping)

((dont take it seriously))

[red zinc]

i just forget to press it otherwise

[fallen knot]

macro it to every single spell you have on your bars no

[red zinc]

probably can now

[fallen knot]

!gs

[red zinc]

used to be decent loss with ER

[fallen knot]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[glass nebula]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[shut lichen]

you got one for blade flurry?

the amount of times i forget i didn't reapply it at times concerns me

[unborn haven]

Anyone by any chance have made an weakaura for the nightblade swap? so that i dont forgot to swap back? x)

[untold yarrow]

zac has it

[hollow temple]

https://wago.io/n9qD8vigd

[unborn haven]

Cheers!

[vestal sundial]

are we good now?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes!

[vestal sundial]

finally

[shut lichen]

good at being bad

[gaunt phoenix]

bugfix was significantly more impactful than i expected

[shut lichen]

nah we good

[vestal sundial]

did you guys grab that nightfall mace?

[sullen wyvern]

we are not UH dk good

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[sullen wyvern]

or arcane mage good

[vestal sundial]

any good?

[sullen wyvern]

or assa rogue good

[shut lichen]

it's calmed the dooming for now

[sullen wyvern]

or fire mage good

or devoker good

or feral good

https://tenor.com/view/edp-i-mean-its-all-right-gif-26702511

[shut lichen]

till ptr notes hit

[vestal sundial]

i just don't want to play assa anymore, it's boring

[shut lichen]

then we back to doom o'clock

[gaunt phoenix]

mace should be a free 1-2% dps

can weapon swap for bosses

[sullen wyvern]

yeh

I always forget tho

[vestal sundial]

isn't it like better for aoe?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

Weapon swap off of it for bosses

[sullen wyvern]

IT is, you swap to your ilvl weapons for bosses

[vestal sundial]

i'll hit the training dummies and make up my mind then

[sullen wyvern]

dummies are 5 cap

gotta hit a 12

[vestal sundial]

wasn't our cap 5 anyways?

[sullen wyvern]

no, 8

[vestal sundial]

well god dayum

[untold yarrow]

hard cap

tho

[sullen wyvern]

ye

but everytime you vanish

[vestal sundial]

one of these days fellers

[sullen wyvern]

your reset the ICD of the weapon's effect

extra reset if you are NELF

extra cheese

[untold yarrow]

why is zac playing kir

🤔

[vestal sundial]

Mate I'm a worgen because I wanted some extra crit now I get messaged by gay furries daily

[sullen wyvern]

zac always plays kir

wdym

[gaunt phoenix]

zac has always played kir

[untold yarrow]

didnt he go HO

[runic bough]

Guys we don't have weapons stance like warrior for our weapon swap

[untold yarrow]

when the build dropped

[runic bough]

[gaunt phoenix]

im sure he tried it for a key or two

[celest cobalt]

Is the dumb mace gimmick that far ahead? Haven't seen any numbers on it yet

[gaunt phoenix]

it is 1-2% more overall

[vestal sundial]

we still going vers/haste right?

[celest cobalt]

Thanks solo

[sullen wyvern]

18-20% haste if you are KiR

[runic bough]

Haste until 19-20% only.

[gaunt phoenix]

yes but you dont need infinite haste

[sullen wyvern]

less if you play HO

[celest cobalt]

You always give it straight up. I appreciate you.

[vestal sundial]

HO or KiR in your opinion? I'm mostly doing 10-12 keys

[sullen wyvern]

up to preference

[vestal sundial]

Both gud then

[sullen wyvern]

HO is easier

They perform equally to my understanding and experience

[gaunt phoenix]

ye pick one

[west dirge]

pick for me, im dumb

[sullen wyvern]

HO

[gaunt phoenix]

play ho

[untold yarrow]

fatebound

🙂

[stiff glade]

Do we wanna "force" SS to consume Unseen Blade procs? Or do we just let that happen as it happens naturally?

[gaunt phoenix]

KIR forces it

HO not really

[stiff glade]

yea KIR

Okay

[red zinc]

That i do know

for whatever reason

[stiff glade]

So I SS even when I have only 1 guaranteed proc?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[untold yarrow]

why do you not do this on HO?

[stiff glade]

Why exactly? Can we not proc them by RNG when we have guaranteed stored?

[gaunt phoenix]

because HO wants to press pistol shot

for ambush

for KIR pistol shot is just cp

it is more open a different builder being better

in this case SS + UB is better than PS

[stiff glade]

Yeah I see. I guess this is even more a thing with 1 point in FTH

[gaunt phoenix]

it is

[untold yarrow]

but for HO if you just sent KS and have guaranteed coup in next 2 SS, do you still not force it as HO?

[gaunt phoenix]

No you dont

[untold yarrow]

😮

[gaunt phoenix]

HO wants to press ambush/PS as normal

[untold yarrow]

ok so in this case, do you just send vanish post-ks whenever as HO

[gaunt phoenix]

If you have 3 EB + guaranteed UB + not max stacks of opp

then HO can force 4 EB

but this is extremely minimal

[vivid vessel]

btw

they deleted all critters from dungeons

so weird

i was using them for stuffs

[gaunt phoenix]

rly

[vivid vessel]

were people abusing critters

ye idk there is no critters anymore

[untold yarrow]

what if ADR is running out? You still prio vanish to keep adr going right?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[untold yarrow]

ok ok

[stiff glade]

It doesn't really feel like it should be better to force it. I trust that it is, but it feels weird

[gaunt phoenix]

you are gaining more coups

[stiff glade]

Like if I can deft BF at 1 CP, I still SS once first for UB and then follow it up with BF after?

[gaunt phoenix]

yep

[stiff glade]

And coup is always prio over KS if they are ready at the same time yeah?

[gaunt phoenix]

No ks

[stiff glade]

Oh really

[gaunt phoenix]

its not a big deal either way tho

[stiff glade]

But if I KS and then have to build, but don't have any other builders, I'd munch UB procs for enough CP to coup?

Or do we send coup at low CP?

[gaunt phoenix]

if your next builder would be sinister strike

then you send coup at low cp

[stiff glade]

I see I see

[stiff glade]

Hmm, this is weird, but I'll learn it I guess

Thanks solo!

[gaunt phoenix]

i like low coup

feels good to cycle into other stuff faster

[stiff glade]

It just goes against what I've always been doing

[untold yarrow]

if you send KS with Coup ready, do you not waste UBs building for full coup?

[gaunt phoenix]

you do if you ambush

which is fine

HO can KS > ambush > coup

for reasons i suppose to be "ambush good"

[untold yarrow]

if no ambush tho

[gaunt phoenix]

but as discussed, you can send Coup at low cp

if you would have to press SS

[untold yarrow]

yeah makes sense

[gaunt phoenix]

So KIR would KS > Coup if you would press SS

[untold yarrow]

ive been wasting ubs

[gaunt phoenix]

but you would KS > BF/AR/PS > Coup of course

if those are ready

[wicked obsidian]

How you KS on third boss in floodgate, without pissing off your bounded team mate?

[gaunt phoenix]

unless you are 1 fth then it doesnt matter much

just something to think about sometimes

[untold yarrow]

send after frontal

and end of waves

[polar kelp]

We had 3 outlaw rogues on that boss and just trolled the fuck out of eachother

[gaunt phoenix]

I really like HO mostly playing normally and then sometimes you catch when you can force 4 EB and sometimes you catch when you can low coup

[wide coral]

just pair with another outlaw and both ks at the same time

what could go wrong

[gaunt phoenix]

if im linked to melee i will low CP KS

[untold yarrow]

solo saves SC KS for boomies

[gaunt phoenix]

give them a little yankering

[wide coral]

go full combo point + supercharger ks

and watch chaos unfold

[gaunt phoenix]

part of the issue btw

is that the guaranteed UB procs from killing spree are consumed before the guaranteed UB procs from the timer

so if the timer resets you can go many globals without actually consuming it

[stiff glade]

Oh, so the timer stops kinda

[gaunt phoenix]

if you arent actively forcing UB

yeahh

[stiff glade]

That makes sense

[gaunt phoenix]

and of course, the timer resets at any moment and you dont know it

because reasons

[stiff glade]

Do RNG procs matter for the timer at all?

Does that stop it too?

[gaunt phoenix]

thats what i mean

[stiff glade]

Yeah okay

[gaunt phoenix]

the timer is the RNG proc

[stiff glade]

Gotcha. I'll just consume asap

[gaunt phoenix]

but im still making it sound like a bigger deal than it is prolly

[stiff glade]

Well, even if it's a tiny thing, there's no reason to learn it incorrectly

[gaunt phoenix]

its cool

trickster is cool when they fix ks

[stiff glade]

Yeah, KS really is a fucking plague

I have only played for like a week this season, but I have already died or procced cheat more times than I can count

[gaunt phoenix]

ur already unlocking the secrets of outlaw

[wicked obsidian]

thanks for the advises, this whole thinking when to press KS and with how much CP driving me crazy... it's already awkward sometimes with vanishing certain mechanics and trolling my team with it because i press it with my rota memory...

[gaunt phoenix]

Cuz trickster stuff is not talked about alot

even though it should be

the gamers know

[stiff glade]

I am glad you're back to explain it. Last time I was in here was around the time you left in S1

Those were sad times

[gaunt phoenix]

i was free

[stiff glade]

So was I. Up until now I guess

Back at it

[quartz magnet]

!log

[frank finch]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/corruption-tuning-again-patch-11-1-5-horrific-visions-376737

[gaunt phoenix]

we might use echoing void

[agile orchid]

Do we know if these enchants are farmable?

Or are they timegated as well

[normal forge]

do we have those helm enchants available already?

[lone spear]

no they come out in a couple weeks

[haughty wigeon]

you just need to kill the coresponding boss to drop them

im not sure if they cycle between org and stormwind tho

[agile orchid]

Oh I thought you buy them with currency

[red zinc]

Turbo boost in 2 resets, enchants in 3

7m overall time

[boreal verge]

Just watched dals vid and he’s saying to drop GS for CtO for HO build. Thoughts?

[red zinc]

Whose vid?

[boreal verge]

Dalaran gaming

[red zinc]

Oh

[normal forge]

and dinars?

[red zinc]

That is turbo boost

[slate forge]

Turbo boost

[ebon reef]

hello chat

[hybrid crown]

Doesn't HO cookie cutter have cto

[red zinc]

@vivid vessel lowkey crazy how little staying power parses have this season

[ebon reef]

1-10 how much are you likely to recommend outlaw prog on sprocket to a friend

[red zinc]

People are gonna gain like

[hybrid crown]

Think the tradeoff would be gs for PC?

[red zinc]

16-17% dps probably

in raid still

Probably slightly more since people arent even maxed rn

[tender wedge]

That sounds a bit ambitious I think

[red zinc]

Definitely isnt

[tender wedge]

Isn’t a single ilvl usually around 1%?

[red zinc]

9% aura buff, 6 ilvls, head enchant, fire proc, 11.1.7 belt

there is a lot of stuff being added

[tender wedge]

Oh ok aura buff

[hollow temple]

the raid renown buff

+6ilvl

+enchants

is bigly

[tender wedge]

There’s the gap, I’m already assuming that because it’s already in

[red zinc]

yeah nvm its probably like

22%

[tender wedge]

Well. Current 9% is

It’s not jumping to 18 by turbo boost is it?

[normal forge]

are we having a new raid in this xpack yet?

[red zinc]

No over the course of the season

[tender wedge]

My mistake thought you were saying all that in 2 weeks lol

[red zinc]

Naahh

[hollow temple]

huh? wdym

[red zinc]

Belt isnt for another month or so either

[fierce sinew]

yoo...how do we grapple out of Gaols on Mug?...is it just a timing thing?

[normal forge]

new raid, new season , next raid still on thix expansion

[fierce sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[hollow temple]

we are on the 2nd raid of this expansion right now. a 3rd raid will come out next season (11.2.0)

[red zinc]

weve been in season 2 for 2 months now

[hollow temple]

we are like 4 months away from season 3

3 or 4

[plucky rose]

Does shaking left and right cause melee attacks to decrease?

guys

[red zinc]

Depends how far I guess

If you leave range with it maybe

[hollow temple]

wdym by shaking

strafing?

[red zinc]

ADAD spam

[plucky rose]

yeah

[hollow temple]

yeah it shouldn't unless you go too far

[plucky rose]

ok，thanks

[tight kernel]

This dfc was cursed

[tribal mango]

Sorry if this is a repeat question, but can you macro Ghost Strike in to another ability or is that sub optimal?

[vivid vessel]

ye i mean this new system is kinda trash for logs

but oh well

[red zinc]

couldnt they normalize it

or am i dumb

[vivid vessel]

no

[plucky rose]

Does that SnD macro still work?@vivid vessel

[vivid vessel]

no

[vivid vessel]

you kill add fasters

boss dies faster

kinda mess up everything anyway

[fierce sinew]

anyone know the tech for grappling gaols on MugZee?...just a timing thing?

[red zinc]

ye true i guess

[runic bough]

What hooking on mugzee

[vivid vessel]

last 0.1 s ye

as long as you pressed grapple before the end it should be good

[fierce sinew]

word...thank friends

[still matrix]

Is it a healer job to do the bees in cinderbrew?

[raven condor]

it's everyone's job

[vivid vessel]

found the healer

[still matrix]

Legit

[raven condor]

LMAO

[vivid vessel]

I have never done a bee in my life

wont be starting now

fuck these healers

[plucky rose]

[still matrix]

legit

ranged/healer job

[vivid vessel]

ye let me lose 5 gcds inside adr

to do a bee

rather die bozo

do the bee and heal me

@raven condor

[raven condor]

chill your bones lady, in an organized group yes it's the healers job, but I'm not trusting pugs to do mechanics

[vivid vessel]

!

[raven condor]

Satisfied?

[vivid vessel]

would rather wipe

than do a bee

[raven condor]

LMAO

[surreal flower]

It’s a go again next key if healer doesn’t do it

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel this guy is mad im not inviting him to +19 and 20 keys

[vivid vessel]

who is it

[proven ocean]

"dont msg me if u want to join my grp when i have higher rio"

[vivid vessel]

name

[proven ocean]

divinedh

[vivid vessel]

dont know him

[proven ocean]

hes 2.5k

3.5k*

[vivid vessel]

he aint wrong tho

[proven ocean]

he aint wrong but that wont happen in his entire career

[shut lichen]

bro is holding quite a grudge off a decline

dodged a bullet tbf

[proven ocean]

i never cringe out and spam someone who has 4-5 key levels above me to join their grp

[raven condor]

i bet they do bees in cbm

the whispering after a decline is pretty fucking cringe, move on.

[shut lichen]

something something we live in a society

[red zinc]

id whisper u so much harder if u declined me

[shut lichen]

whisper him what though?

[vivid vessel]

i dont even see any old io

when has this guy played

why is he in your friendlist

[proven ocean]

idk

apparently he did 16s few weeks back and he got banned for saying things

[raven condor]

With this behavior? Shocked, i say

[proven ocean]

being banned from chat is wild he prob said fucked up things

because they almost never ban from chat

only silence

[surreal flower]

[vivid vessel]

you can delete this message and quietly do your thing

[stiff glade]

Everything is fine

[tulip jewel]

nothing to see here

[proven ocean]

do what

[shut lichen]

exactly

[stiff glade]

that's right

[daring oxide]

what happened

[obtuse hollow]

Is outlaw better than or at least as good as mut in keys after all the hotfixes?

I only have limited resources for this character, want to make sure I'm not invested into a trap

[proven ocean]

what happened @vivid vessel

[obtuse hollow]

Not sure if it's just the ones I met, all the muts I met do dogshit st

[potent swan]

what is a mut??

[shut lichen]

mutilate?

[warped spruce]

I think by mut he means assassin

Spec

[potent swan]

who the fuck says that

[shut lichen]

apparently he does

[warped spruce]

lol idk

[gaunt phoenix]

mut rogue is from ye old ancient times

[shut lichen]

do be like that

[hollow temple]

That’s how assa used to be called

Long time ago

[shut lichen]

ancient lore

[warped spruce]

This is the combat channel right?

😛

[daring oxide]

nop

e

Outlaw

what is combat?

[warped spruce]

“Back in my day”

[shut lichen]

i mean it's good but Sin (Mut) is still better

[hollow temple]

Outlaw is quite good now

If you aren’t planning on doing really high keys it’s fine

[daring oxide]

outlaw is amazing

but sin is probably the best choice

[warped spruce]

Because of dmg? Cc? Both? O

[hollow temple]

Damage

[daring oxide]

damage

[warped spruce]

:(. ok

[obtuse hollow]

Got it

Maybe I'll craft the safer pieces first and hold on crafting the weapon for nown

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw

aboslutely smashes 98% of keys

[hollow temple]

idk about sin dmg > outlaw i just did a brew 16 and had 5.6 overall thats kinda very close to assa

[obtuse hollow]

Outlaw feels cooler tho now that we use KS

[gaunt phoenix]

at the pinnacle its weaknesses show

[obtuse hollow]

It's pretty funny on rookery 1st boss

[hollow temple]

That’s the one thing 99% of outlaws want changed

[vestal sundial]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[vivid vessel]

wtf did you just say

I mean the animation is cool

sure

whatever

i will fight you for this take tho

[obtuse hollow]

Really

KS hasn't been actually useful for ages i think

[glass mortar]

u look really cool on the floor

while ur waitin for a brez

[vivid vessel]

so what

[glass mortar]

tis tru

[obtuse hollow]

I think it was taken a few patches back but we only used it as a filler when we were starved

[vivid vessel]

we also used it in sl with ma

we have had more than enogh time to realize how trash of an ability ks is

any other take

is objectively wrong

[haughty wigeon]

ks looks cool

in a spec that has no visuals

[glass mortar]

its easy to look cool when none of ur other abilities look like anything at all

its just u swinging the same stab animation 7 times over, it only looks cool cause ur shadowstepping around

[haughty wigeon]

thast frankly the only thing going for it

[glass mortar]

which doesnt make any sense for outlaw btw

[obtuse hollow]

But it's cool

[glass mortar]

sub rogue ass ability

[haughty wigeon]

its cool

but not functional

[obtuse hollow]

I think I need a stagger wa like brewmaster tho

[haughty wigeon]

ya thats not something any dps should track

and its a testiment to how nonfunctional it is

[vivid vessel]

thats not even the worse part about ks

[haughty wigeon]

its not the worst part

but its the most apparent part

[daring oxide]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[daring oxide]

!breakstealth

[vivid vessel]

vurai

..

dont tell me you are unable to write the macro

i wrote it for you arleady

[daring oxide]

!stealthbugs

[ornate heath]

• Breaking Vanish with a trinket will not grant Subterfuge.
• Recasting Stealth while Subterfuge is already active will not grant you UHUH or Crackshot bonuses until Subterfuge expires. (fixed as of 11.1)
• Casting Vanish at the same frame that a previous Subterfuge ends will cause Crackshot to not activate.
• After breaking Stealth, there is about a 100ms delay before the effects of Subterfuge happen. You will thus lose about 100ms of adr

[vivid vessel]

[daring oxide]

wahhhhhhhhh

[obtuse hollow]

Btw do u guys KS in dfc candle side? Where some of the hits do 0 dmg

[vivid vessel]

vurai ..

[glass mortar]

yes

what else r u gunna do

[daring oxide]

ohhhhhhhh

[vivid vessel]

its just a cancelaura stealth into a cast adr

[glass mortar]

u cant opt to not cast it

[daring oxide]

right

[glass mortar]

unless u wanna do 20% less dps

[daring oxide]

yes you are right

[vivid vessel]

you dont need me to write it out for you kekw

[daring oxide]

sorry lol

[gaunt phoenix]

instructions unclear, /cancelaura adrenaline rush

[daring oxide]

#showtooltip Adrenaline Rush
/cancelaura Stealth
/cast Adrenaline Rush

[vivid vessel]

sounds good

[daring oxide]

ok i test

[runic bough]

Guys

It said 4 new messages but it was more like 4000

[daring oxide]

@vivid vessel when I use normal ADR from stealth on dummy

wait

OH

[fallen knot]

i killed stix

too bad

i did 2 balls back to back

and i fucking died midway through the fight

with eye of kezan

cause no kicks

[trail star]

Skill issue

[daring oxide]

wow thats so dumb

all this time

[fallen knot]

true

[daring oxide]

Fatebound ADR has been fucking me in the ass

on opener

[trail star]

Why?

Ah

[daring oxide]

i never used the cancelaura macro

[trail star]

Coins buff

[daring oxide]

so i only ever got 1 heads 1 tails

not 2 heads and 2 tails

[trail star]

Same

[daring oxide]

probably scuffed my chances of getting lucky coin quickly

[craggy quiver]

Same

[daring oxide]

a lot

[fallen knot]

so i had like 40seconds of downtime

maybe more

[craggy quiver]

Probably 98% of outlaws players too

Lol

[daring oxide]

yeah

god dam

[trail star]

I even precasted Ar into rtb

[wide coral]

wait what

[fallen knot]

as an elemental farseer

[daring oxide]

THESE BUGS SUCK COK

[fallen knot]

love it

[daring oxide]

#showtooltip Adrenaline Rush
/cancelaura Stealth
/cast Adrenaline Rush

#showtooltip Adrenaline Rush
/cancelaura Stealth
/cast Adrenaline Rush

MUST USE FOR OPENER

[wide coral]

you're supposed to get 2 tails 2 heads with adr?

[daring oxide]

when opening from stealth yes

with ADR

[wide coral]

never noticed that guess I've been only getting 1s

[daring oxide]

yeah same

[trail star]

But wasnt that known

[daring oxide]

@vivid vessel do we just use the cancelaura stealth adr macro as baseline?

like for anytime we press ADR

[wide coral]

either way havent really touched outlaw since trickster being better than fatebound

[daring oxide]

or must we only use it when we open from stealth

[vivid vessel]

idk i made it a separate spell

[daring oxide]

ok

god thats annoying lol

[vivid vessel]

for example as trickster i press adr from stealth a lot so

[daring oxide]

hmm

[polar kelp]

Anyone know how to actually sim the new nightfall offhand? And is there an internal cd on the proc, or are you suppose to just keep target swapping

[wide coral]

sim champion weapon and add 2%?

[daring oxide]

if i only use the macro for Fatebound talents it should be fine right?

obviously not trickster

[vivid vessel]

i guess

what if you wanna adr from stealth for whatever reason tho

or idk

[daring oxide]

ah yes true

[wide coral]

dont you want to open with adr bte from stealth anyways

[daring oxide]

hmm

ADR opens combat

because it will shoot a tails

[polar kelp]

Just add 2%? Lol what

[wide coral]

check pins

[daring oxide]

we are talking about ADR fatebound specifically

not trickster

[polar kelp]

Oh there's a pin? Ok cool

Thx

[latent belfry]

i actually havent simed it, i just assume its better in large packs and use the macro to switch weapons for bosses in m+

[wide coral]

2-3% of overall dmg so sim it and add 2-3%

[polar kelp]

Well 2-3% of overall isn't a 2-3% increase that's not how math works...but yea I getcha

[frank finch]

is that macro only for opener or can i just use it as normal adr for fb

[latent belfry]

works like normal jus cant use in combat

[wide coral]

I mean you compare your sim with your usual off hand with an champ offhand +2-3%

[gaunt phoenix]

you don't target swap and no icd

blade flurry instantly fires it on everything

[daring oxide]

thats what I was wondering too

[daring oxide]

sometimes I have to strafe a little

to hit everything in a overcap pull

just to ensure i hit absolutely everything

[polar kelp]

Oh sick that explains why it's so good, thanks solo

[crisp condor]

Why, in the WoWhead rotation guide, does it say not to use Blade Flurry (with Deft) during subterfuge? Isn't building big combo points with one button for further BtEs good if you don't proc?

[red zinc]

what build does it say that for

[gaunt phoenix]

im not sure, it may be an error

because if you play HO + Deft then Deft has lower priority than ambush

may be where that logic is coming from

but you dont normally play HO + Deft

[crisp condor]

Says the same thing whether you select HO or KiR

[gaunt phoenix]

for the standard KIR + Deft then you prioritize BF as a builder in aoe, stealth or not

[sturdy crow]

It should say don’t cast if you already have buff in subterfuge

[crisp condor]

Actually maybe the KiR option for AoE rotation is just broken since selecting it changes nothing about the list and it still mentions Ambush/Audacity. Edit: Seems variable, maybe a caching thing, but maybe Blade Flurry note still an error

[light kernel]

what is this for?

[vivid vessel]

[shut lichen]

to cancel adr

[gaunt phoenix]

it was a joke i cant explain

[shut lichen]

you don't want to ofc

but if you want to

solo decided to help people out

[worldly shale]

canceling adrenaline could give u some time to think

[hybrid crown]

the secret ADR cancel bug

[worldly shale]

its smart

[hybrid crown]

where you cancel ADR and it exploits your dps so that you are doing 70% less

[shut lichen]

it's called the sandbag macro for a reason

[upbeat tundra]

this is tech

[gaunt phoenix]

just use my #outlaw-faq

[crisp condor]

Fair enough, thanks for the heads up

[bright crane]

I’m hella interested to see the ol write up

Now that these bugs are fixed

[tender wedge]

I mean we really only have one glaring complaint left don’t we

[vivid vessel]

Which is

I have a few myself

[tender wedge]

KS woes

I’m sure there are others but I feel like that’s probably top of the list

[shut lichen]

BF being capped would be one of zac's all-timers

[vivid vessel]

I mean I think bf soft cap would solve high key vs low key issues

Or help at least

[tender wedge]

Not wrong but it’s not unique to outlaw

[vivid vessel]

Energy is one of my all time high rn

And ks obviously

[shut lichen]

hard capping defo is

[south island]

KS, target cap, dk too strong, bring back acro strikes, I can come up with more I'm sure. Complaining is easy

[tender wedge]

True

[vivid vessel]

I have huge issues with fateboudn as well but if we can just keep trickster meta forever that's fine by me

[craggy barn]

just missing belt and cape for full set, but man does it look good

[shut lichen]

fatebound just needs another cook in the oven

shit came out raw sadly

[vivid vessel]

I hope trickster is forever meta honestly

Just for Perma tricks

[shut lichen]

ngl i think this set is ok

[vivid vessel]

It's such a huge qol

[shut lichen]

but sepulcher set is goated

ik it's a hot take

[vivid vessel]

Being able to Perma hit without worrying about aggro ever

[tender wedge]

I unironically love KS and trickster but yeah at the point of prog I can’t use it

[wary wind]

perma tricks is honestly the best shit ever

[vivid vessel]

Right

[craggy barn]

zac my fav thing is perma tricksing on stix, and the tank i have it on gets on ball so adds just beeline for them

[vivid vessel]

Xd

[craggy barn]

its so funny

OR

if tank dies in keys

[tender wedge]

Not a hot take, I love that set

[shut lichen]

was that something you worried about b4?

[craggy barn]

and insta releases

theyre stuck in combat

bc tricks

[vestal notch]

then tank should have played better

[craggy barn]

no duh, but its funny af

[vestal notch]

not gonna die to aggro bc of his mistakes

[vestal notch]

oh ye absolutely

in arakara when tanks died at bridge

[craggy barn]

like before in cinderbrew

when shit ignored LOS

and people wouda insta rel

[vestal notch]

and suddenly mobs appear at dungeon entrance

was fun

[tender wedge]

Sounds efficient

[tight kernel]

Also DK has one.. do we have one of these "wishlist" articles?

[cinder relic]

No outlaw isn't getting one

[upbeat tundra]

you could copy paste the text from this discord channel for the last week and ask chatgpt to make one of these articles for it

its just gonna say target cap + acro + ks

[tender wedge]

Acro riles me up no end but I can’t see them walking that on back

[wicked obsidian]

It would be better to make an article on wowhead, that KS is causing physical pain because it's beaming you around and causing motion sickness. Properly it will help. Everyone should post a video where they need to vomit. Could be one of the stupid tiktok trends

[upbeat tundra]

this isnt even the dumbest idea ive read in here today

could probably generate some threatening class-action lawsuit type letter with chatgpt that they have thousands of signatures saying that killing spree is causing epilepsy and they plan on launching a lawsuit

unless they fix it asap

would be, at bare minimum, very funny to try

[dawn talon]

wow already has photosensitivity disclosure

[upbeat tundra]

oh that is true

[cinder relic]

Got the whole squad laughing

[wicked obsidian]

would had been a good April 1st article

[upbeat tundra]

[Your Name]
[Your Address]
[City, State ZIP Code]
[Email Address]
[Phone Number]
Date: May 5, 2025

Blizzard Entertainment, Inc.
Attn: Legal Department
1 Blizzard Way
Irvine, CA 92618

Subject: Notice of Intent to Pursue Legal Action Over the Ability “Killing Spree” and Associated Health Risks

To Whom It May Concern,

I am writing to formally notify Blizzard Entertainment of a serious health and safety concern related to the visual and mechanical effects of the ability “Killing Spree” as used by the Outlaw Rogue specialization in World of Warcraft. After extensive documentation and firsthand testimonies, I have collected thousands of signatures from individuals across your player base who have experienced or reported epileptic-like symptoms—ranging from visual disturbances to full-blown seizures—directly correlated with the use of this ability.

The erratic, high-speed movement pattern and repeated flashing transitions in rapid succession present a clear violation of established accessibility and epilepsy safety standards, including but not limited to those outlined by the Photosensitive Epilepsy Analysis Tool (PEAT) and WCAG 2.1 Guidelines. These issues are exacerbated in high-action gameplay environments, where visual overload can be overwhelming and dangerously unmoderated.

Blizzard Entertainment has a duty of care to its customers and is legally obligated to mitigate known health hazards in its software. Failure to address such concerns constitutes negligence under applicable consumer protection and disability laws. At this time, no adequate visual warning or accessibility setting exists to prevent harm from this specific ability’s animation profile.

Accordingly, I am demanding immediate corrective action, including:

A temporary disabling or reworking of the Killing Spree animation in all retail clients.

A permanent redesign of the ability to meet modern accessibility standards.

A formal public acknowledgment of this issue and commitment to preventative design in future patches.

If no satisfactory action is taken within fifteen (15) business days of receipt of this letter, I will move forward with the filing of a class-action lawsuit on behalf of affected players, including claims for medical damages, emotional distress, and violation of disability access rights.

This is not a bluff. Documentation has been preserved, testimonies have been notarized, and legal representation is retained. I strongly advise Blizzard to treat this notice with the gravity it deserves.

Sincerely,
[Your Full Legal Name]

[dawn talon]

honestly ks isn't that disorienting to me anymore

[upbeat tundra]

alright sign it up and lets send this over asap

[dawn talon]

but it's hard to kick the right thing

[upbeat tundra]

should be cleaned up quick

[dawn talon]

for a second or two after

bc i have to process how the pack moved relative to where i was

[vivid vessel]

Ye a bit more, can't open early on longer setup pack or tricks run out

Example arakara first pack

Chain pulls being fishy without tricks up etc

[dawn talon]

yeah

brh guys

before last boss

i remember i used to just eva

[shut lichen]

Ah fairs

Valid

[wintry solar]

@cinder relic you doing an outlaw retrospective?

[vagrant saddle]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[cinder relic]

of course

[wicked obsidian]

at least this could be worth to make as a forum post. only to make some noise.

[daring oxide]

we made plenty of those during the PTR of this season

[upbeat tundra]

way too much effort i dont even know how to post on the forum

[cinder relic]

It wont pick up any noise

[daring oxide]

ya

they dont read forums

only wowhead articles

[dawn talon]

nobody cares about rogue, nobody reads the forum anymore, and nobody really is moved by aislop either

it's better to just be honest and say "dude this button fucking blows lol"

[sand dagger]

Do yall play Fatebound or Trickster when Raiding?

I'm on Rik and idk if I should go Fatebound KIR or Trickster KIR

[upbeat tundra]

should be most upsetting to you that they just recently demonstrated they have the ability to fix major issues with classes in like sub 48 hours from discovering it, yet just dont do it

[dawn talon]

fb sprocket and mugzee trickster every other boss

[cinder relic]

Its not about them reading the forums or not

It's just AI Slop

U think theres gonna be like, reporting on some random slop forum post thats obviously a shit post

[upbeat tundra]

its a meme lil bro its not that serious

[cinder relic]

okl

[digital linden]

Maybe this isnt the way to go about it

[runic bough]

⚠️

Meta rogue spec gets article

[digital linden]

A lot of people who go trickster on raid Bosses go HO whereas kir trickster deals way less damage

[digital linden]

U can check top 100 runs and compare the kir players hero talent trees

[craggy quiver]

Trickster not that bad on oab

I thought it would be a lot worse

[runic bough]

I vote for no ks

[craggy quiver]

Maybe it was bad before all the changes

[runic bough]

Yo guys I have to say something

Let me write it

Sec

[digital linden]

I went st kir trickster on heroic mug by mistake and logged a 98 so i think its a lot more flexible than people think

[wicked obsidian]

sure it's a meme. and true the forum is for nothing. There was a post about blaming Ion about what he said about Outlaw in the interview and that it's his fault because he is the lead designer. Made a lot of noise, but got deleted within a day or so...

[craggy quiver]

You can run anything in heroic tho

[dawn talon]

they're all playable

i play fb on mugzee bc coup is a pain in the ass

and i also just dont play ho at all

[digital linden]

Ye i dont mean playable i mean competitive i mean 98 log on ”wrong” build

[daring oxide]

You mean KS?

[digital linden]

Sure surprised me

[dawn talon]

yeah

ive been awake for too long

mb

[daring oxide]

Haha no worries was wondering

[craggy quiver]

What's wrong with kir trickster

Seems good

Lol

[daring oxide]

Nothing KIR trickster is the best

Especially with PC