outlaw

[fathom bramble]

that's my 2nd highish key in like 3 weeks

[vivid vessel]

thing is

i could also do more

[tight kernel]

y dont u

[fathom bramble]

fair

[tropic zephyr]

That enh must have had a rough time

[fathom bramble]

yeah idk what happened

he said sorry for playing like shit, but idk what exactly he did to be that low

[icy cedar]

im analyzing logs here between me and good outlaw rogues and despite having the same number of finishers and same bladeflurry uptime, i do way less damage because i have less bladeflurry hits

guess im standing in the wrong place 😮

i suppose i graviate towards the edge of the packs to see my character better cuz of my boomer eyes

gravitate*

[reef forge]

if you struggle seeing your character in packs get a cross wa, it stands out and doesn't get blocked by bodies

[hard nimbus]

Hi, just came back from vacation. is KIR to go for M+ now?

[icy cedar]

sim it

[gaunt phoenix]

no its just a choice

you can play either

[icy cedar]

do you have a recommended one

[reef forge]

not really, zac has a nice one but don't think its in his UI pack

just type character crosshair on wago and should find one

[unkempt swift]

what is + on zac ui?

its about BF?

[hollow temple]

its the Timmy event weapon @red zinc

[hollow temple]

the green one? its just to help you see your character positioning

[chilly fjord]

the ultimate outlaw rotation!

tried the new 11.1.7 PTR rotation helper

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble

cinder 18

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

wait i just now realized i played pc

oh well

pc key maybe

[frank finch]

bluds gonna single handly get us an aura nerf

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix

the weapon

i was swapping out of it on bosses

thats worth right ?

im not even sure

i think last i simmed im losing about 2% aoe

so it might be worth like

half a percent

i guess on pure trash its not that bad idk

i think in brew its very cool

cause

you have so many targets

and you also have targets that spawn mid pack

like the bombs

and the lil shitters

[frank finch]

its bis stop fighting it

[stiff glade]

worth it until you forget to swap once maybe

[vivid vessel]

i forgot on first boss

[late swallow]

awangawangawangawangawangawang

[stiff glade]

can swap mid combat though

[twilit rivet]

vanish swap ezpz

[stiff glade]

so it's not like you need downtime before the fight or anything

[hollow temple]

preferable though

swapping costs a GCD and resets auto attack icd's

[keen belfry]

hi

im nervous to be playing outlaw in public again

like what happens if i eat a mechanic pressing KS

[lone spear]

well if u dont die, no one has to know

if you do die

"healer issue"

[keen belfry]

i might get pinged tho

[lone spear]

ping them back the rest of the dungeon

remember

escalation is key

and you can keybind pings

[keen belfry]

u ping me for what huh ?

u want me run key down? ok i go

[lone spear]

we really need the OG bait ping from LoL in WoW

[hollow temple]

run it down mid

[keen belfry]

nah but like i cba no ?

[lone spear]

every time i see that

i read it in that eastern european accent

xdd

[keen belfry]

i keep singing up to these keys saying " you do not want a dk" and its not working

same

nahhh but its turbo cancer no

[dawn talon]

dude

i only recently beat my "nahhh but like"

habit

it's legit so fking

[keen belfry]

i knew league talk would soummon oswalb

[dawn talon]

impossible to stop doing

HAHAHAHAH

[keen belfry]

too easy man

[dawn talon]

fuck

[dawn talon]

ws is such a boring key too

[keen belfry]

i must bridge the gap between my mage and my rogue io

[dawn talon]

im going to just start applying with

PLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASE

i heard they fw desperation

[dawn talon]

LMFAO

[keen belfry]

i am sorry.

[dawn talon]

Happy for you bro...

[vivid vessel]

"oh well"

"i hate this spec"

thats what i say everytime

[tulip jewel]

the worst is being 1 shot at the last tick of ks

that's cursed

[fathom bramble]

"Blizzard has killed my character"

[frank finch]

@vivid vessel link that weapon swap wa

[keen belfry]

when do i take cheat death off

for elsu

[frank finch]

18+

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel did u see that team, they wiped on cinderbrew 17 lmao

theres no way u wipe on 17 cinder

like

how bad can they be

theres no way

with 678 ilvl 20% avoidance too

[dawn talon]

did ur key go any better than mine did

LMFAO

[tight kernel]

When would you go 2 FTH over PC+1FTH?

[dawn talon]

my tank died to 1st boss fg and the healer started flaming him

[sour fossil]

5.25m priory, 2% of my damage, surely this doesnt get fixed pls

[chilly atlas]

tank just needs to type "healer?" first

[dawn talon]

"lol" > "heals?"

[keen belfry]

we timed it nbd

[dawn talon]

ive been waiting 20 minutes for this guy to find a warrior

[vivid vessel]

xd

[frank finch]

the word is spreading more

viewers going up

zac is ascending

[crystal musk]

can you share wa for swap weapon? pls

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean catching up cuh

[vivid vessel]

no ! !

[frank finch]

[vivid vessel]

https://wago.io/n9qD8vigd

only for you black

dont share it with anyone else !

ok ??

[frank finch]

[crystal musk]

🐀

😅

[red zinc]

@vivid vessel did some more looking up on the belt in 11.1.7

its literally just a 694 belt with a damage proc

[vivid vessel]

no downsides ?

just a damage proc ?

what about stats

[red zinc]

no stats seemingly

but

[vivid vessel]

oh right

[red zinc]

theres an upgrade tree for in the overcharged delves

it might buff the belt even further too

but not on ptr yet

[vivid vessel]

we prolly are getting fucked over again

if its like the ring

but eh

whatever

you know people sitll use the ring rn

[red zinc]

just this now

[vivid vessel]

even full gear

while outlwa doesnt

[red zinc]

might be different for armor types

[vivid vessel]

i see

another mega boring proc thing

[red zinc]

wait

no stamina either

[vivid vessel]

who cares

[red zinc]

oh

[vivid vessel]

it prolly will haev stam

just tooltiup error

[red zinc]

id hope so

thats like 8% hp lost or some shit

wait no

5-6% nvm

[vapid blaze]

kinda wonder if the ring will stay relevant with ilvl increase

[proven ocean]

not bad

[vivid vessel]

lfg no voice only

[proven ocean]

well we dont voice either

so

[dawn talon]

im jealous of eu lfg

[vivid vessel]

big !

i love no voice m+

such a vibe

[dawn talon]

it's hard to even find 15s at the times i can usually play

[hollow temple]

its already kinda irrelevant, for outlaw at least

[dawn talon]

[hollow temple]

some specs replace it, some don't. for assa its equal to like a 700ilvl ring

[vapid blaze]

i meant for other specs

[vivid vessel]

wtf

did you

just say

[hollow temple]

it'll likely still be some keep it, some don't

[vapid blaze]

prob true for all mastery stacking classes then

[vivid vessel]

I replaced my ring as outlaw at 658 cuh

wdym assa get a free 50 ilvl upgrade

on ring

[hollow temple]

??????????????????

[vivid vessel]

over me

ye lol

its not good for outlaw doesnt matter

[hollow temple]

i said it was irrelevant for outlaw

[vivid vessel]

i just ditched it insta

[vapid blaze]

cause you dont use mastery

[vivid vessel]

vers better

ye but

how is it that good on assa

they get free 50ilvl

[vapid blaze]

it gives like 8.5-9k stats

[vivid vessel]

thats not fair ! ! ! ! !

[hollow temple]

because stat good pog

[vivid vessel]

NOT FAIR !

BUFF OUTLAW

[hollow temple]

zax

zac

u r already buffed

shhh

[vivid vessel]

HAVE YOU SEEN

THE DAMAGE

I DO

[hollow temple]

its op

op op op

[vivid vessel]

its the first time in my life im actually doing damage tirckz

it feels sooo good

im happy

[hollow temple]

buff outlaw pvp ! ! !

[vivid vessel]

s3 df i guess aswell

[hollow temple]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[vapid blaze]

wasnt outlaw kinda good in s3 df?
imagine without the bugs

[vivid vessel]

ye

it was even better technically in s3

cause like

it was the 4th dps basically

[lone crow]

ye

df s3

[vivid vessel]

if you didnt have the 3 good dps

[lone crow]

outlaw pumped

legit dps

[vivid vessel]

you had an outalw in 4th

and i think outlaw was kinda the best standalone dps

[vapid blaze]

espec early season
pre shadow buffs xD

[lone crow]

slightly behind spriest

i would say

but ye

[vivid vessel]

the wizard comp was just doing some bit diffy stuffs

[vapid blaze]

imagine how hard outlaw would have pumped without the bugs

[lone crow]

very self sustaining

u never needed attention

[vivid vessel]

ye but that came a bit after tho

the priests buff s

[lone crow]

ye

[vivid vessel]

idk which part we are talking

but ye

outlaw rn isnt like that i think ?

or is it

[lone crow]

idk

u tell me

[vivid vessel]

id k

im gapping people but

i alwas gap pugs

[vapid blaze]

there are so many good classes rn

[lone crow]

ye

[vivid vessel]

since i started the game

so

[vapid blaze]

hard to tell

[vivid vessel]

and like i play with a good mm rn

and he does the same damage as me

[frank finch]

ur not playiong with pugs

[vivid vessel]

sometimes

[frank finch]

its the same group everytime

[vapid blaze]

mm
feral
outlaw
all kinda good

[vivid vessel]

its not black

the 2 most consistent players are the mm and healer

then we just pugged a tank

and a dps

and we played all day

[frank finch]

its a static group

and have done so many keys together

[vivid vessel]

i think you dont know the difference

[vapid blaze]

tbh looking at banshers group
MM fucking cranks hard

[vivid vessel]

thats just how high m+ works black

[frank finch]

nah u just loosly using the word pug

[vivid vessel]

you sometimes do key sessions

i open lfg

and i apply to a group

[raven socket]

Now w only need KS fixed and the old acrobatic strike and we good.....Yaea let me dream

[vivid vessel]

thats lfg

[shut lichen]

i swear this exact convo with Trickz has happened before

like barely 2 weeks ago

[hollow temple]

[vivid vessel]

@frank finch when you do high key lfg

after a bit

you know everyone

[hard nimbus]

wait you can swap weapons in M+?

just reading the pin

[vivid vessel]

and you often play with the same group of people

but like i just did 5 hours with the same lfg grp rn doesnt mean it wasnt lfg tho

[hollow temple]

ye thats not exactly a "team"

[shut lichen]

commitment

[hollow temple]

thats just running it back with your lfg group

[vivid vessel]

i mean there is a huge difference with a team and these kind of grp

with a team you start playing the same routes always

you voice otherwise you are trollng

you assign stuffs

you do always the same shit

[tranquil hemlock]

triple outlaw s3 df

[vivid vessel]

and you play always with the same people

[tranquil hemlock]

very nice

[vivid vessel]

today i had 3 diff tanks

and like 4 diff 4th dps

i even did a key with a feral !

mind you

he was good

he did same damage as me

so outlaw aint op

doing feral damage

[shut lichen]

feral op

[vivid vessel]

buff outlaw !

[shut lichen]

i see

[frank finch]

[tranquil hemlock]

isnt feral actually somewhat good rn ?

[hollow temple]

guys

[tranquil hemlock]

i mean obviously outlaw bad

pls buff

[shut lichen]

wasn't that bugged outlaw

[hollow temple]

what if we could wield weapons like this

https://tenor.com/view/valeera-rogue-gif-8259610

[tranquil hemlock]

it was but every outlaw is bugged outlaw

[calm osprey]

that did do the trick!
thanks to zac for mentioning that method last night too.
Now hopefully it stays in the same bag slot forever 🤔

[shut lichen]

yeah but that one was beneficial

so an outlier

[vivid vessel]

[tranquil hemlock]

i mean bf was bugged then too

so couldve been even betterer

[strong cargo]

Can we not swap weapons during combat ?
Start with Cudgel, swap instantly to higher ilvl after proc, and have a macro "/vanish /equip cudgel", proc it and swap again ?

[hollow temple]

it would be sick no ?

[torpid fiber]

idr s3 df being significantly bugged in our favour?

[shut lichen]

visually sure

[hollow temple]

you lose too much doing that

[shut lichen]

practically it looks painful

[vivid vessel]

can you modify sound file like you can modify interface ui stuffs ?

[shut lichen]

i think so depending on what u mean

[tranquil hemlock]

imagine having to minmax swapping to a champion weapon

when uh dk just gamba

presses two buttons

gets bitches

must be nice

[strong cargo]

What's the downside ?

[torpid fiber]

P sure we can't swap during combat but the issue here would be the swapping back not swapping to; the whole reason the weapon works is that we drop combat when we vanish on packs

[shut lichen]

just swap for boss

[hollow temple]

weapon swapping costs a GCD and resets your auto attack ICDs

[shut lichen]

rather than mid pack

[hollow temple]

^

you just swap to normal offhand before bosses

back to cudgel offhand after bosses

[strong cargo]

oh ok i didn't know it would cost a gcd 🧐

[tranquil hemlock]

gcd is free

so swap

its free

[hollow temple]

you can swap during combat, its just dogwater

[torpid fiber]

Yeah I didn't realise there was a gcd cost lmao

[shut lichen]

i pray s3 gives us back SL levels of tier sets again

i like when they just remove the limiters and make fun yet dumb shit

[glass mortar]

this seasons tier set was pretty transformative

i dont really like what it did for the damage profile of ho

but its not awful to play

[shut lichen]

i meant it general tbh

but also yeah this tier was not too bad

i actually somewhat like it

but i also glaze the hell out of Tornado Trigger

[stoic dragon]

Is the ambush double hitting when you click your sinister bind still a thing?

[frail veldt]

I personally think it's easy to play but has shit outcomes

[glass mortar]

its a bit more interesting for kir then ho

[frail veldt]

It's simple and the 5 rolling is nice but the bad rng feels pretty bad

[glass mortar]

for ho its very basic

[amber bloom]

how is outlaw doing right now for raid and mythic plus

[frail veldt]

KiR has very awkward rules rn imo

With rolling

So many weird fucking corner cases

I don't like it as much as loaded dice KiR

[shut lichen]

rolling from 2 buffs to 1

[amber bloom]

is trickster or fatebound better right now

[frail veldt]

Trickster for m+ and most of raid

[amber bloom]

ok ty

[frail veldt]

Just have to live the KS

[shut lichen]

the alternative is fatebound though

which to me is flat out boring

someone change these hero talents please

[cinder relic]

Kir bad

[mild tide]

Hi (:, a short question. Are the new hotfixes live now?

[shut lichen]

the rogue bug fix ones?

if so yes

[hollow temple]

ya

the class tuning posted recently is not live until reset

[timber knoll]

I think no gs ho build is goated rn

[mild tide]

I meant the hotfixes to bladeflurry and deft maneuvers 🙂

[shut lichen]

yeah the hotfixes

they are up yes

[mild tide]

Nice ty for your answer 😇

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

ZAC

WE

PULLED

2 WARMACHINES

ON 3RD BOSS

AT ONCE

XDXDXDXDXDXDXD

ON +18

AND STILL LIVED

LMAOAOAOAO

[vivid vessel]

m;?

ml?

[proven ocean]

yeah

lmao

[vivid vessel]

nice

[proven ocean]

idk how our healer healed

what a monster

no one died

xddxdxd

[vivid vessel]

huge

1 was already hard to heal for us

or well

not thast hard but

idk about 2

[proven ocean]

ye it was crazy

i was about to get a heart attack irl

he was at 3m hps when the last warmachine died

[snow hill]

Wait wut? I thought FB KIR was current raid meta.

Is it the HO or KIR trickster spec?

[frail veldt]

Fb KiR is only better on sprocket cuz you cant KS safely

Technically KiR fb is competitive in pure st

But anywhere with any amount of cleave which is most of this raid trickster wins

[snow hill]

Riiiiight... Okay thanks bro, so in that case what's the go-to trickster build?

[snow hill]

'

[hollow temple]

#outlaw-faq

Can also look at warcraftlogs

[wintry solar]

Outlaw mid

Gg go next

Why do they call it sinister strike?

[teal garnet]

So weird to gap people this hard in 13s

[wintry solar]

Doesn't it give you big metal butterflies?

[gaunt phoenix]

Pc does infinite dmg rn

[teal garnet]

idk just feels weird, I figured once I got out of 12 like people would actually be playing the game

but it feels worse in 13-14s lmao

[gaunt tulip]

think tht champ weapons been hotfixed already

[gaunt phoenix]

Wut

There haven't been any hotfixes lately

We can see when they ship a hotfix

[gaunt tulip]

ignore me then

[gaunt phoenix]

can test it just in case

[daring oxide]

it works fine

just tested it

[gaunt tulip]

i just checked yeah sry

[gaunt phoenix]

i forgive you

[late ruin]

As long as they don't force talents

[gaunt tulip]

my last key i wasnt being blinded by purple explosions

i doomed

[latent oak]

solo u still playing oblivion?

[shut lichen]

why infinite solo man?

[proven ocean]

oh man

i guess time to delete it

fuck

[red zinc]

me when i lie

[gaunt phoenix]

Pc was really helped by the bugfix

[red zinc]

wonder how much better GSW would be if it had any use beyond 5CP (10CP proccing it twice -> 400% damage increase or 2 stacks)

[frail veldt]

Oh yeah gsw scaling with cp used could be cool for sure

[runic bough]

THANK THE HEAVEMS

[proven ocean]

cookedkage is back

[runic bough]

BOOMKIN GAVE ME

i was so happy guys

[gaunt phoenix]

[runic bough]

extra stat too

[gaunt phoenix]

i have like

11000 crit 2000 vers

[frail veldt]

I hope you mean 20000

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[frail veldt]

What percent is that

[gaunt phoenix]

i wonder what the dps difference is if it was like 6000 crit 25000 vers

[gaunt phoenix]

25% i think

770 or 780 vers is 1%

around there

[teal garnet]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[runic bough]

was my first workshop today

gonna farm it til i got it today

GOT IT ON FIRST TRY BABY

now i can do other stuffs

[gaunt phoenix]

errr

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jFt5BDGNNckbhLf3eg3DTE/simc

i dont think i fucked it up

[runic bough]

[gaunt phoenix]

stats dont matter gg

[runic bough]

outlaw and its secondary stat uselessness

[wintry solar]

Me when the only stat I care about is main stat

[proven ocean]

[runic bough]

mmmmmm

so we can get 2 gears with just heavy vers

workshop cloak and engi bracers

Im NOT\ going engi for the helm

[proven ocean]

i guess at that high vers it just loses abit of value while crit is already good

[stoic dragon]

do we no longer need BF in ST? been a while with outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

ye you dont bf on st

[stoic dragon]

what changed?

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont remember why we used bf on st

[proven ocean]

it gave higher mastery proc

[stoic dragon]

wasnt it with some roll

[proven ocean]

with the mastery talent

[gaunt phoenix]

ah ye

[proven ocean]

5%

i think

and u only pressed it pre pull not mid pull

[stoic dragon]

ambush bug still a thing?

[gaunt phoenix]

it is

[stoic dragon]

kek

im sad now i didnt click bis when we dropped mugzee trinket

[gaunt phoenix]

its w.e

[stoic dragon]

now i gotta use nhc

[gaunt phoenix]

We have like 6 bis trinkets

[stoic dragon]

well HoC and kezan are simming worse xd

raid pov

why are ppl playing trickster KiR?

[gaunt phoenix]

Trickster is super bis in aoe

and then HO vs KIR is preference/gear related

[stoic dragon]

more about KS id guess

for the logs im looing at

nvm

what scenario is trickster KiR > HO?

[gaunt phoenix]

lately KIR should pull ahead at bigger pulls

[stoic dragon]

seeing it on gally

[gaunt phoenix]

in raid its total preference

like

i doubt they are significantly different

[stoic dragon]

madman loktark played KS on mugzee

[runic bough]

are you guys

waiting for ks to come off cd

before you vanish

[wintry solar]

Wdym

[runic bough]

before*

[wintry solar]

Oh if it's like 12 seconds before KS comes off?

I just send a vanish

[gaunt phoenix]

if KS cooldown is under ~20s or so then you dont vanish

[wintry solar]

Welp

[runic bough]

like if I wait for ks all the damn time, my adr will die way more often

[gaunt phoenix]

unless you literally have to

[runic bough]

like 3 seconds or less and im vanishing

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah so

[wintry solar]

https://tenor.com/view/now-you-know-the-more-you-know-no-kidding-no-shit-obviously-gif-1342210079425559607

F me I guess

[gaunt phoenix]

you must vanish to preserve AR when AR gets low

but other than that you have a lot of time to flex vanish

[runic bough]

you are a shining star, never dwindle.

[gaunt phoenix]

for trickster this flex rule is just based on ks cd

[runic bough]

im trying to watch ks coming off cd now

now that im used to rotation

its alignment to be used after my bte windows

is working nicely

but

my dmg is lower compared to the big outlaws

so its wrong somewhere

i did my first 14 last night

i got up to 9mil aoe

was cool

we couldnt kill the bee boss in brew

the adds on bee boss will 1 shot you

at that key level lol

[hollow temple]

feels like mace got nerfed

[runic bough]

maybe

my key today did lower dmg on it

[hollow temple]

yesterday i did 7-10%

now 2-4%

not worth the hassle of swapping weapons and stuf

[gaunt phoenix]

7-10% sounds impossible

[runic bough]

most of outlaw fun stuff gets hotfixed right away.

[gaunt phoenix]

was always 2.5-3.5% overall

[hollow temple]

ok i exaggerate but it was definitely up to 6/7%

maybe because of brew idk

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe on a pull or two but overall i dont believe it

[runic bough]

I wouldnt be surprised if they lowered the dmg today

[gaunt phoenix]

they didn't

[runic bough]

hmmm

[gaunt phoenix]

We can see when they ship hotfixes to the game

[runic bough]

i see

[gaunt phoenix]

don't think it would happen without one

[hollow temple]

does the mace dmg benefit from vers buff and vdh?

[gaunt phoenix]

ye should

[proven ocean]

@gaunt phoenix thoughts?

[gaunt phoenix]

me

[proven ocean]

Its the 3000 for me

[gaunt phoenix]

turbo sucker 5000

[proven ocean]

Sounds like blingtron 4000 or someshit

[runic bough]

[cinder relic]

It was literally doing 20%

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[runic bough]

thats not nice

thats nerfed

[wintry solar]

WHERE ARE MY DINARRRR

Ryu

No dinar :(

Oh no

[runic bough]

they are not even real dinars

[wintry solar]

The dinar

They're missing!

[runic bough]

they are fake dinars

anyways

i wouldnt bother

[wintry solar]

If a woman flashed a pair of fake tatas I wouldn't care

[gaunt phoenix]

[wintry solar]

Dinar are dinar

[runic bough]

i like real tatas also

[gaunt phoenix]

Ok

[runic bough]

fake ones dont look natural

[runic bough]

Natural everything Popo

[wintry solar]

Fine!

I'll wait for real dinar

But I'll complain the whole time

[runic bough]

they wont give it to us

[wintry solar]

They won't give it to you

[runic bough]

they are on some anti-player thing right now

maybe next expansion different rules

no fun allowed

[wintry solar]

Yeah idk why they have to change systems that are working

[runic bough]

the only thing that is better this season is m+ so far

[wintry solar]

Like when pvp gear took pvp currency to upgrade pve ilvl

That was great

[runic bough]

yeah when currency is used thats great

they keep making currency go useless now though

[wintry solar]

Valorstones :D

[runic bough]

like they dont even need a dinar system

they could just use the currency system

[wintry solar]

Troo

Wait idea

[runic bough]

but they want a million currency i guess

and for new currency each season

who knows

it all goes to waste

[wintry solar]

Nvm

Had an idea for borrowed power but those days are gone

[runic bough]

hmm

[wintry solar]

A currency where you can buy buffs to talents

GSW 600% here we go!!!

I do wish wow had some sort of instance where you can mess with spells and test them but that sounds like a lot of work for nothing.

[gaunt phoenix]

Not officially

[wintry solar]

Yeahh...

Shame

[runic bough]

blizzard have that for sure

[upbeat tundra]

Bring back titanforging for m+ loot

[wintry solar]

I have specific things I want to change to see how things would work

[runic bough]

blizzard has their own test server im sure.

[wintry solar]

They gotta

[runic bough]

everything is in total control

which makes the amount of bugs questionable

[wintry solar]

Like, I wanna see how unholy would be if wounds were a stacking dot for example

Stuff like that

[upbeat tundra]

Yea like I want to see how my life turned out if my dad came home with the milk 30 years ago

[runic bough]

thats like a skill editor

[wintry solar]

I have to see things for myself to know whether or not I like something. I don't typically go off of word of mouth.

[runic bough]

only blizzard has skill editors

the game creator

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[runic bough]

if we got it that would be like a fun server, kinda like SOD

but SOD is just different with rules set by them again

[wintry solar]

I'm not 100% convinced feint trickster would've been bad simply because I haven't played it.

90% probably

[runic bough]

only PoE is truly open to your imagination in builds.

[wintry solar]

The problem is by the time I get my hands on it, it's too late >.>

True

[runic bough]

PoE is highly customizable game

[wintry solar]

I don't like top down games tho

[runic bough]

yeah

[wintry solar]

The only top down games I liked is the FATE series

[runic bough]

I rather play d2 if its like that

D2:r

[wintry solar]

Oh yeah and diablo

[runic bough]

Diablo2 started it all

[wintry solar]

I heard BG3 was top down and turn based and it turned me off

[runic bough]

my high apm fix came from Diablo 2

teleporting 10 times a second to clear areas

[wintry solar]

I tried to get into POE multiple times

But it's one of those games that I find "cozy"

[runic bough]

like wow has a system based around GCD

ARPG have a system based on your attack or casting speed

no gcd

[wintry solar]

Super hot take but I don't think there's ever been a good turn based game

[runic bough]

if u stack enough it gets faster and faster

blizzard likes to ruin the fun making a cap on these

[cinder relic]

This takes the crown as dumbest comment in the discord

Wear this honor with pride

[runic bough]

if they unleashed caps on gcd and stuff we would have a crazy game hahaha

[wintry solar]

I'll hang it up on my mantle next to my 12 point buck and my great great grandfather's musket

Everyone is wrong but me

[runic bough]

outlaw is the closest apm to diablo2 for me

but even then slower

[wintry solar]

I haven't played a Diablo game in years

[runic bough]

i wouldnt bother with d3 d4

[wintry solar]

I played D3 a lot back in the day

[cinder relic]

d4 good

[runic bough]

they took away the d2 aspects which made the game

[wintry solar]

D3 was also my first

[hollow temple]

I hate turn based games

But that new 33 game looks sick

[wintry solar]

That's turn based?

[runic bough]

if they made content updates for d2:r i bet everyone would still play it.

i still play here and there

[wintry solar]

I forgot they released that

[runic bough]

the last true diablo game

[wintry solar]

Is it actually or are you trolling?

[sonic gust]

I HATE turn based games, but Expedition 33 is actually fire

[cinder relic]

I love d4

D4 is my fav arpg that actually gets updates atm

Poe is better but it doesn't get updates

Poe 2 is bad

[runic bough]

i havnt seen much poe2

[cinder relic]

And last epoch doesn't feel weighty enough even if mechanically it's super good Imo

[teal garnet]

Sims say Keys > Priory, but my brain says Priory > Keys for lust pull yea? ( Assuming both are ran ofc)

[wintry solar]

I've got like 5 games I'm playing atm. No sleep for me when my work week is up.

[latent oak]

in lust pull wouldnt signet give u haste

which is bad

[wintry solar]

I miss the pirate trinket

[teal garnet]

nah even with lust ( iirc 25%? ) I should be 16k Haste vs having 18k verse

and thats unflasked even

should be like 21k verse buffed

[runic bough]

guys u know what

ive been playing like a noob

not using my tauren stun

fml

could have stopped so many casts this last week

was focusing on learning the new rotation

i forgot i had it

[wintry solar]

Bro has CC not even using it

[runic bough]

fr fr

would be so handy in priory

omg

[late swallow]

legend

[covert kestrel]

Once Ryu starts Tauren stomping it's over for all you hoes

[runic bough]

caster hoes

so as tauren we gots

[wintry solar]

Ryu any cooks lately?

Just been gamin?

[runic bough]

aoe interupt stomp (tauren racial)
aoe interupt blind
single kidney
mass cheapshot if used in bte window
1 kick

cheapshot would only bee a thing in like priory or brew

hmmmm

no cooks really

just want to start using cc

[wintry solar]

Remember when rogue had CC superiority?

Good days

[runic bough]

ye

mage and rogue were taken to cc

now they are only used as pvp cc

[cinder relic]

This katana is so good man

[runic bough]

i like it too

Guy you look like Trinity

from Matrix

[wintry solar]

Where do you get that

[teal garnet]

Trade post

[wintry solar]

Oh yeah, I heard this month is sick

[teal garnet]

Katanas, Sais, Nun Chuks in TP atm

[runic bough]

I actually got a few things this month. I usually never interested in trade post.

I have so much to spend

never any ninja stuff

sword mog is nice

[wintry solar]

Everytime I try to play assa I get bored

And it makes me mad

[runic bough]

yeah

you gotta just make a mental note that if your not outlaw, everything will be slower.

and usually does more damage

but our damage is pretty good right now

for once

thats nice

[wintry solar]

I started changing the icons on Sub to outlaw icons but that's soooo much work

And there're no glowy procs

It's like outlaw but with no procs

What a waste of time that was

[runic bough]

dont they have a ace too

[wintry solar]

I don't play with ace

Member?

That's a lie, I do when I play kir

[runic bough]

well im saying

[wintry solar]

Oh right yeah

I get it

[runic bough]

sub has a full cp thing too

[wintry solar]

I misread it

Idak

They have dreadblades

Which I obv changed the icon to dreadblades

I have SS, db, KS, dispatch, and KS icon

Rtb on that ability that super charges

And then I gave up

[minor nacelle]

Hi everyone, I am trying to understand the rationale behind the conditions of vanish usage.
Vanish followed by Between the Eyes at 6 or more combo points while Adrenaline Rush is active AND ANY 1 of the following conditions is met. Adrenaline Rush has 3 or less seconds remaining. Vanish has 15 seconds remaining on overcapping. Killing Spree has 20 seconds left on cooldown. Supercharger is active.

what is the reason for all the conditions around AR? Don't I just vanish on CD?

[cinder relic]

Because if none of the other conditions are there, and AR has 3 or less seconds remaining, it takes prio

[minor nacelle]

So if AR is active, but it has more than 3 seconds of cd, i don't use vanish? Why?

[gaunt phoenix]

because vanish is on a charge system you dont need to vanish immediately

you can flex vanish casts

different builds have different flex vanish rules

for trickster, the flex rule is based on killing spree cooldown

if killing spree is under 20s cooldown then you dont vanish, unless you absolutely have to

this is to be most efficient with KS cooldown so you dont lose KS casts

[minor nacelle]

and the reason for that is to not waste CDR on KS?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[minor nacelle]

ok

i get it now

thanks

[gaunt phoenix]

Ks is really strong cuz of the free unseen blade procs

so maximizing its casts can actually make a big diff

[wintry solar]

Has it been mentioned how weird it is a st ability gives aoe procs?

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont even know or want to know what you mean

[wintry solar]

Nvm then

[rotund zodiac]

[random stirrup]

hmm yes a single target ability giving aoe damage is very odd on the outlaw rogue spec

[gaunt phoenix]

everything is st it just flurries

[random stirrup]

yes

[raven condor]

We're actually just beyblades

The og spin n win

[wintry solar]

I know everything flurries. But KS applies the debuff in aoe because it flurries or does KS just do that?

With or without flurry

[gaunt phoenix]

idk

[wintry solar]

I'm not trolling, my bf is literally always up so it's always applied aoe so I genuinely don't know.

[raven condor]

Here's your chance, gear up, hit some dummies. Return with evidence!

[wintry solar]

Message received

[runic bough]

im so tilded

tilted

first boss workshop

get hit by saw blade

cant use an ability

sent me flying towards a bomb

i was fucked

im not hosting keys anymore also

do people come just to brick your low keys or what

[wintry solar]

Ryu does KS apply the aoe debuff in aoe without bf?

[runic bough]

i dont care about ks

i just follow rotation

dont know what it does

[proven ocean]

Side effects of having ryu in ur name cooked questions start to spawn

Even solo got mad

[wintry solar]

It was a genuine question too because idk

[proven ocean]

St ability

Gives aoe procs

What ability

[wintry solar]

KS giving fazed debuff procs

[proven ocean]

How is that weird

Its literally bladeflurrying

[wintry solar]

I'm over if it's weird or not.

[keen belfry]

Cook popo

Is KS even a ST ability

[proven ocean]

Do u come here cuz u like this channel even tho u dont even play outlaw?

[keen belfry]

I’ve done like 8 outlaw keys today

[gaunt phoenix]

bc you said proc i thought you meant the unseen blade proc (which was what the question i answered directly above you was about)

so i had no clue where that came from

[proven ocean]

Oh i thought you were like me

Unlucky

[keen belfry]

My main is arcane mage

Or mage*

I will always play what’s good, and gear my rogue

Sometimes both are doable

[proven ocean]

Cookedwang

No cap

Missed ur yap and ur irl anime pfp

[keen belfry]

My WHAT

[proven ocean]

I missed vrgl alot more tho

[keen belfry]

Im only kinda cooked

[proven ocean]

Ur not only cooked u literally have cat inside of a trash can

Cool pfp no cap

[keen belfry]

That’s my cat!!

Sleeping on my lamp

[proven ocean]

Really

Wait

When will u eat it for dinner

I like eating cats

[keen belfry]

Never

Unless apocalypse

[proven ocean]

But eating ur cats will suck all the nutritions and her proteins into ur body

So you will be connected forever

Thoughts?

[keen belfry]

Kinda cooking rn

Is eating my cat a ST ability that will aoe proc

[proven ocean]

Yea

It will meow at everyoje

Ngl i had a weird reel on instagram earlier

The cat prob had a ghost inside of her and started barking

[runic bough]

im so done with ks

but fate aoe so shit

[frail veldt]

Yes

Fully single target without bladeflurry

[keen belfry]

It doesn’t hit nearby without BF?

I thought it just jumped to nearby targets or something

[wintry solar]

No

That's old ks

[keen belfry]

Shoutout new ks

Fazed

[frail veldt]

Nah it's been this way since DF p sure

[keen belfry]

KS fix soon right?

[runic bough]

ks can kiss my ass

after a poop

[timber knoll]

Outlaw is so back man

[runic bough]

zac was right about workshop tho

every cut scene kills adr

and we are fucked afterwards

no workshop for awhile

[frail veldt]

Yeah workshop is like the worst outlaw key this season

[proven ocean]

Im glad outlaw doesnt need buffs

Maybe sin can get some love now

[runic bough]

vers looking juicy

another 1500 vers next weeks craft

[tight kernel]

I just had a ws brick cause dh tank refused to use anything on first room pull, and I ripped aggro

an outlaw rogue

ripping aggro

[gaunt phoenix]

doesnt vdh have threat bugs rn

[tight kernel]

yeah but normally only with like dev or ele

I never had an issue with threat before until I met this dh

also not using spikes on pull is cringe

[gaunt phoenix]

idk with perma tricks never thought about it

[raven condor]

tops lich wing is a close second in my eyes. having to obsessively remember to stealth before i click the portal and mash stealth when i land ☠️

[valid kindle]

I mean if you ripped it's cause you forgot tricks

[tight kernel]

I trick at start of key

[raven condor]

If you don't hit anything before the 30s it falls off

[valid kindle]

if you used it correctly it's impossible for you to rip

[raven condor]

(or if they don't, I'm a smoothbrain)

[tight kernel]

I mean I guess but still doesnt stop the dh from dying

[raven condor]

DH tanks are also a healer affix. Pain supp on pull or it's g with how some of them play

[haughty wigeon]

one

if your not in combat your sigils do no threta

thats the only bug rn

[gaunt phoenix]

ic

yveins

[haughty wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/veins-vein-arms-bodybuilding-lean-gif-26951967

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont like that

[blissful idol]

what is best way to gear a new alt?

or quickest rather

[digital atlas]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hollow temple]

do the Nightfall scenario event thing

then do delves/buy warbound gear off the delve vendor

[wicked sigil]

Hey guys.. have a question of understanding the talents Supercharger and Coup de Grace. They add combopoints in the counting thats clear. Im not sure if i use Coup de Grace at max CP - is it overcapped? Or u guys use it with 1CP?

[blissful idol]

delve master

[gaunt phoenix]

it just counts as beyond max cp

like a supercharged coup at 7cp is treated like 15cp

[wicked sigil]

Thx dude.. so i use it at max cp.

[novel socket]

solo

do you think the nightfall mace would be good in raid for fights like stix

[runic bough]

OK

IM OVER KS

[novel socket]

and vexie

[gaunt phoenix]

nah

[novel socket]

because of the adds

[runic bough]

FATE AOE FROM NOW ON

RAAAAH

no more ks

i cant

NO MORE

ITS TORTURE

[novel socket]

weak

[runic bough]

⚠️

[gaunt phoenix]

stix maybe has enough for the mace to break even

[novel socket]

hmm

okie

ty

[runic bough]

KIR FATE

7% proc

[frail veldt]

well thast not good lol

it doing more damage means you did less damage lol

[torpid fiber]

The mace shouldn't reset in raids bc you don't leave combat when you vanish iirc

[novel socket]

it doesn't proc again on new targets ?

[torpid fiber]

it would I guess but afaik a lot of the value is in the vanish resets

you could sim it ig

[novel socket]

did it get added to the sim ?

the effect i mean

[torpid fiber]

Oh good point

Uhh

Idk

If not you can't sim it I guess

[novel socket]

The proc is not implemented in SimC at the moment so it will sim like a generic haste vers weapon.
pinned message is still like this

so i guess its not on sim yet

[gaunt phoenix]

prob wont be in simc unless i figure out how to do it or convince koji to do it

the item is trivial but resetting on vanish is likely not

[novel socket]

hmm

[prime umbra]

Hey, is KIR or HO the go to M+ spec atm?

[gaunt phoenix]

its preference