There is a haste vers dagger from one of the dungeons
#outlaw
dense bolt
U thinking poison procs thingy?
dense bolt
ye
dense bolt
ye also solo made a great point champion track on the boost thing thats coming
Doesnt get boosted
Like hero track
And myth tracks
fathom bramble
Oh
dense bolt
So prob great idea to fish for it
proven ocean
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HELLO
EVERYONE
HOW ARE EVERYONE DOING
?!?!?!
celest cobalt
slice and dice, what casts it on outlaw? do you have to hit Slice and dice or does another skill proc it?
gaunt phoenix
cut to the chase passive
fathom bramble
Dispatch triggers it for free
celest cobalt
thanks im dumb.
split ingot
eh maybe its kinda worth it
fathom bramble
Prob will get replaced fairly quickly honeslty
Yeah with everything else going up by 2 upgrades the mace might be fake idk
proven ocean
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
gaunt phoenix
hi
fathom bramble
Or at the very least a quite small gain
red zinc
It “sims” better than 685 also
red zinc
Still 1% ish
dense bolt
Yeah with everything else going up by 2 upgrades the mace might be fake idk
Thats why i dont think blizz will care aswell cuz the boost thing is like what 1.5 weeks away so just enjoy it while it lasts
proven ocean
guys what movie do i watch
or tv show
?!
@gaunt phoenix wanna play wow
nvm ur NA
hollow temple
guys what movie do i watch
there's no way ur about to sit down and watch tv rn
river escarp
Yuyu Hakusho
hollow temple
get your ass back in the dungeon
river escarp
NA xD
dense bolt
outlaw
proven ocean
did u kill gallypigs?
proven ocean
gwllywixi
dense bolt
no only
dense bolt
Xiwyllag
dense bolt
i dont myth raid this season cuz new work schedule
vestal notch
Isnt that an engi mount??
dense bolt
it is
proven ocean
;PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP;
dense bolt
W catcj
dense bolt
i was blown 2 days ago when i saw the mount
proven ocean
i bought it in cataclysm how about that guelina
proven ocean
hollow temple
somnius twinking confirmed
vestal notch
all i did tbc->legion was level with trial account
late swallow
somnius twinking confirmed
Too hairy to be a twink unfortunately
hollow temple
I knew it
late swallow
Eastern yoorup genes too stronk
hollow temple
vestal notch
hemorrage my beloved
proven ocean
late swallow
hemorrage my beloved
Literally me after I watch YouTube shorts for too long on the toilet
late swallow
It has the same icon as vamp embrace I think
late swallow
Wait
vestal notch
u are thinking of blood dk spell
vestal notch
omfg im being a pro catcher todat
late swallow
Vamp something no?
latent oak
vamp embrace?
late swallow
The dk 1 min spell
vestal notch
vampiric blood
tight kernel
When do we get new enchants
hollow temple
Couple weeks from now
gaunt phoenix
It's not 4% for most ppl
red zinc
just depends on how much gear you got too
fathom bramble
how much gear you have and how well your playing
if your very undergeared and playing poorly it will be a high %
river escarp
You're also giving up the chance of using a dagger for more instant poison damage and stats too
red zinc
still better when playing optimally though
river escarp
But yeah I've been trying it, it seems like a nice offhand option
red zinc
its bis for aoe regardless, it just looks better than it actually is
would normally be something thats easier to visualize in sims but we dont have those rn
river escarp
I getcha, I also don't raid so having a cantrip outside of raid is a nicety.
gaunt phoenix
proc items are fun
river escarp
The big purple explosion when you're going into crackshot is pretty cool looking, I will say. xD
gaunt phoenix
ye
river escarp
More flavor than our literal hero talents
glass mortar
the world event is on every hour right
river escarp
Correct
glass mortar
i used my token on alt stuff 
tight kernel
Radiant power vs depth diff is negligible right?
glass mortar
guess i can do it on alts and buy it probably
depth is decently ahead in st
in aoe radiant wins
and depth gets worse in aoe
i think its like a 2-3% st gap
river escarp
^
gaunt phoenix
ive always used radiant everywhere
glass mortar
same
if u really want ST damage its probably worth having second weapons with depth tho
they buffed it to make the gap bigger
tight kernel
i do be i do be
glass mortar
ty blizz
tight kernel
ok after sprocket i swap back to radiant for keys
glass mortar
except for secondary stat scaler specs where the raw secondary enchants r beating radiant now a day
those r also better on st
i get to use mastery proc on my monk now
upbeat tundra
how do i get better at world of warcraft
tight kernel
they hate outlaw
runic bough
if your very undergeared and playing poorly it will be a high %
damn nice burn on me lok
surreal latch
they hate outlaw
Try sub it's even worse
upbeat tundra
they hate outlaw
why are you even applying for keys
surreal latch
3k rio, 670 ilvl, i got declined from a 9
fathom bramble
I got declined on my other rogue(buffoutlaw) by an outlaw
they hate us even if they are us
tight kernel
damn thats toxic
surreal latch
Actually, i'd refuse other rogues too just for more buffs probably
upbeat tundra
are u guys new to outlaw lmao
surreal latch
Unless it's a low key
latent oak
i actively sign up for outlaw groups thinking they believe in teh dream
surreal latch
To help them gear up
latent oak
hasnt worked out so far
fathom bramble
are u guys new to outlaw lmao
yeah it's been a long time since outlaw was an instant invite
like 3 expansions
gaunt phoenix
they dont know outlaw does infinite dmg rn
upbeat tundra
yeah it's been a long time since outlaw was an instant invite
people have to be new here cause you list your own key or nothing
applying to keys is 100% not worth it
late swallow
Clear comms please guys
fathom bramble
I don't have TOO hard of a time applying to 10-12s for my weekly
but I think I have above average credentials
latent oak
i got in and oneshot a few 15s today, lfg wasnt bad
upbeat tundra
i got in and oneshot a few 15s today, lfg wasnt bad
i tried my 15 floodgate for 3 hours before logging out
shits brutal in lfg
fathom bramble
yeah I'm only going above a 14 with the same tank that I know who invites me
lfging anything higher than trivial weekly keys is just not it for me
proven ocean
I got declined on my other rogue(buffoutlaw) by an outlaw
Hes the rogue that queued up to my keys 1-2 months ago wtf
If he queues up i’ll decline him for you
runic bough
you know
Its interesting to see how many people join my keys and leave when they see im outlaw
latent oak
that has legit never happened to me
gaunt phoenix
same
runic bough
but i was also really bad a week ago
upbeat tundra
Its interesting to see how many people join my keys and leave when they see im o...
this happens so many times when im playing aug
runic bough
so maybe i have bad rep
upbeat tundra
as soon as i hit blistering scales i see people leave
runic bough
tight kernel
damn that nightfall wep actually fucked my stats
proven ocean
runic bough
zeross making a guide for what?
proven ocean
Been pushing abit last 2 days
latent oak
go work on it in ur dream
proven ocean
For sin rogue in high keys only
runic bough
proven ocean
Not really a sin rogue guide its more of a rogue guide for high keys
dawn talon
like no flame
gaunt phoenix
runic bough
well you and zac are really pro players here
torpid fiber
nah I get the vibe u have crazy insights when ur not memeing
proven ocean
runic bough
wox is pro too but he doesnt talk much here
runic bough
Guy says hes pro but never seen him play ever
torpid fiber
guy is a raider
latent oak
he raids at a pretty high level right?
safe pasture
is anyone dropping precise for ghostly in darkflame using HO
gaunt phoenix
nah
proven ocean
Yea he raids up there abit
gaunt phoenix
pc cranks everywhere except like meadery
proven ocean
Im not a fan of high end raiding
safe pasture
ty
upbeat tundra
y play ho
safe pasture
sims higher for me and plays easier
latent oak
go to bed mr yapper
gaunt phoenix
same
gaunt phoenix
just yesterday
proven ocean
Solo
gaunt phoenix
Zero
gaunt phoenix
true
proven ocean
Didnt mean to leak
fathom bramble
Hes the rogue that queued up to my keys 1-2 months ago wtf
yeah I meant my rogue was named buffoutlaw and I still got declined by a fellow outlaw rogue
fathom bramble
also we are diff regions too right
proven ocean
I shouldnt play wow for that much
proven ocean
Whats dvt
latent oak
deepvein thrombosis
gaunt phoenix
deez vtnutz
proven ocean
Do i go to the gym or
proven ocean
deez vtnutz
Lmao
gaunt phoenix
ya like a leg
teal garnet
he raids at a pretty high level right?
Wox used to run in my friends guild Divide but he stepped back on raiding to hard send M+ this tier
dawn talon
i think it depends on ur goals
teal garnet
M+ is fun to see numbers and stuff but my enjoyment comes from "hard" content. at a certain point M+ feels purely just like perfect execution than like actually fun mechanics
dawn talon
if you want to be the very best at what you do you should realistically raid at or near a hof level
proven ocean
i think it depends on ur goals
Not rly
I raid 2 days a week
Thats not gonna slow my m+ prog down
And everyone raids in wednesday
dawn talon
ye i mean goals as a player not goals for how much you want to play
dawn talon
some people just want to chill and push keys w/ the bros and some people are competitive but not in the way where they want to be super rank 1
proven ocean
I mean i dont want to be rank 1 but somehow i ended up here
Kinda just mainly playing for fun rly
dawn talon
some people are just like that
what's fun to you is draining to a lot of ppl so ur just
better cut out for competition
than they are
im the same way profesionally but not so much w/ wow anymore, most of my desire to compete is in deadlock these days
teal garnet
I wish I could push tbh getting a group you like to play with that actually has the same improvement mentality is rough
proven ocean
I wish I could push tbh getting a group you like to play with that actually has ...
Yeah we do have that which is rare i guess
Same mentality sort of
Try to time keys, play with a good tank and log off
I always push with people i like to play with
Otherwise i log off
teal garnet
^ same
runic bough
does someone have the command to turn off cpu usage in wow
gaunt phoenix
no they removed that
teal garnet
some of my friends and I are borderline HOF level, but we can never be consistent with anything past 3k, people get bored or just mental boom on failing a key
proven ocean
I used to push with zac in s3 DF
We timed a r1 key and few good keys here and there
Was cool
latent oak
do u think triple outlaw is one of the best comps if u had to run 3x of the same dps
lucid vale
!wa
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craggy barn
killed stix huge
latent oak
ppl did triple surv when that was op
teal garnet
Most the people I play with play 20 alts so once we get to 3kish they all just stop caring 
proven ocean
do u think triple outlaw is one of the best comps if u had to run 3x of the same...
U mean back then or now?
latent oak
ignoring balance kinda
like outlaw has been strong in 3x outlaw comps a few times
whereas surv is the only other one i can think of
proven ocean
Yea outlaw is historically the best triple spec
Because if outlaw is good, it gets really wild
Because outlaw has to be REALLY good for it to be meta
river escarp
Hasn't outlaw been like the only triple spec? 
river escarp
S2 BFA era super BF gang
latent oak
yoda was doing 3x surv hunter in sls4
river escarp
Yeah it was great 
latent oak
killed stix huge
magnet drop?
craggy barn
yes
i gave it away since im not outlaw for the rest of the raid fights now 😦
our dh hasnt gotten any loot so i gave to them
safe pasture
how come num1 log shows improved wound + crip? is it just for the crip?
hasty warren
Yo Zeratule, long time no see
safe pasture
for dfc
latent oak
unlucky, gz on kill tho
river escarp
Yo Zeratule, long time no see
Yeah I still exist, I just stay stealthed way more than usual.
latent oak
ur videos in sl were neat, were fun to watch
hasty warren
<:peepoWave:1268116541367521291> Yeah I still exist, I just stay stealthed way ...
good to see you, how u're doing ?
latent oak
EZ
river escarp
< I appreciate it @latent oak, I kinda fell into a point of being super bitchy about WoW so I just stopped making vids since I didn't want to become the angsty annoying YT guy who just complains.
craggy barn
tight kernel
tbh feels ok
gaunt phoenix
how come num1 log shows improved wound + crip? is it just for the crip?
wox just has those talents but he doesnt use wound in that key
proven ocean
>< I appreciate it <@160461373934010368>, I kinda fell into a point of being sup...
Based
safe pasture
wox just has those talents but he doesnt use wound in that key
thanks I was sitting here like if he has that then why tf does he have atroph still
latent oak
>< I appreciate it <@160461373934010368>, I kinda fell into a point of being sup...
good choice, good to see ur still about
safe pasture
loosin my mind
river escarp
good to see you, how u're doing ?
I've been doing well, thank you! ^^ I still do keys and stuff, hit KS Legend this week through pugging (the bug fixes were a huge help so I'm glad those came in)
craggy barn
im so washed
latent oak
not locked in
craggy barn
not locked in
latent oak
wcl sending u shots
hasty warren
im so washed
u swap assa for rik ?
latent oak
if i wasnt playing ol on rik, i dont think adds woudl ever die xd
latent oak
multispec freakazoid
latent oak
if u dont troll ur adr when he phases ol pretty nice on that fight
craggy barn
yea
latent oak
imo
tender wedge
im a pretty even mix between outlaw and assa, just not sub because sub is dogwater
craggy barn
i just dont find much use for sub rn aside from like rookery lol
proven ocean
im a pretty even mix between outlaw and assa, just not sub because sub is dogwat...
Are u stuck in the same place in ur pfp?
Or did u go home now
tender wedge
Are u stuck in the same place in ur pfp?
bro im still on the shelf no one wants to buy me
rip
proven ocean
🦈 trallalero trallala 🦈
stray sand
!fuu
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coarse plover
Some people say PC Is still influenced by dead targets. Is that true?
upbeat tundra
every time i make magic comp with outlaw i win and every time i make phys comp with outlaw i lose
y
red zinc
Some people say PC Is still influenced by dead targets. Is that true?
who are some people
lone spear
every time i make magic comp with outlaw i win and every time i make phys comp w...
cause physical players are built diff 
late swallow
cause physical players are built diff <:pepe_chad:1022918986737926225>
this is the correct answer
tender wedge
do your magic comps include mages?
because 9/10 mages are rubbish so that's a freebie
upbeat tundra
cause physical players are built diff <:pepe_chad:1022918986737926225>
build bad u mean
lone spear
also does anyone know the timing for grappleing out of the gaols on mythic mugzee? is there a cast bar or something i can look at to make it consistent?
upbeat tundra
do your magic comps include mages?
no i take sham instead
this comp works more often than it doesnt for me
tender wedge
hmm i mean 2/3 of those dmg buffs are still affecting you
even if less effective that the others
upbeat tundra
i had this weapon on 100% of a floodgate and it was only 2.1% of my dps is this weapon actually worth
tender wedge
the proc one?
upbeat tundra
yes
tender wedge
2.1% while not losing any stat budget is kinda bigt
mugzee has no stats and was doing like 1.5-2 for me
upbeat tundra
the proc did do more dam than this shitty mythic wax whistle thing
tender wedge
free trinket proc vs tiny weapon dps and tiny stats, seems good
cinder relic
U can weapon swap in keys still right
upbeat tundra
U can weapon swap in keys still right
yea but i forgor
still cranked that 2m on swamptits tho
tender wedge
i did 2m on that guy in assass the other day somehow
all it really goes to show it that skill > comp outside the top top top top leve
l
formal axle
U can weapon swap in keys still right
what is the benefit of swapping weapons ? genuine question, new to outlaw
craggy barn
cantrip weapons are better in ST
formal axle
i see , thanks 🫡
cinder relic
what is the benefit of swapping weapons ? genuine question, new to outlaw
Theres a new proc weapon that is really good on trash and bad on st
It'd also let u technically swap from aoe enchants to st enchants
river escarp
I haven't heard of it before, but is there any internal CD on weapon enchants when swapping?
fathom bramble
weapon effects sometimes have an icd when swapping them
but I haven't checked any of the stuff this tier
hollow temple
If you do it mid combat
river escarp
Hm, yeah I know that was a thing for Shadowlands with the 4 handed frost dk nonsense
Didn't know if it affected standard enchants versus runeforging
quaint wharf
so is vanish interacting with the proc a bug or intended?
hollow temple
Neither really
quaint wharf
river escarp
There were several trinkets that had the same affect
hollow temple
Unintended clever use of game mechanics
river escarp
That were never changed, so I assume it's a nonissue
dawn talon
so is vanish interacting with the proc a bug or intended?
the mechanics involved are functioning correctly, but it's probably an oversight
however this has happened probably a dozen times by now and it never changes
quaint wharf
ah ok thanks
yeah the way the equip reads sounds like it should function how vanish works
but i wasnt 100% sure
upbeat tundra
there was 2 more deaths from priest if you scroll down
3.4k btw
all of these disc priest play like they literally hate timing keys
dawn talon
disc rerollers are particularly bad
they're like mage reroller bad this season
idk what's up with that
upbeat tundra
disc rerollers are particularly bad
yea its the worst fotm reroller this season, think its worse than vdh
tender wedge
usual fotm reroller stuff not knowing the intricacies
upbeat tundra
vdh mostly just chain brick keys to meld skips
tender wedge
seeing some twitch clips thinking they can spam 8m shields every gcd
dawn talon
i think worst rerollers are aaaalways mage and moonkin
upbeat tundra
disc look like they are back peddling apes who literally cannot stop dying
tender wedge
always mage
dawn talon
then it's usually fotm tank of the season
past falcon
invited a 3.3k dev evoker to my key, they consistently been playing dev since evoker came out. immediately died 3 times in dfc before 1st boss
rerollers, class mains, i dont trust fucking anyon e
dawn talon
but this tier the disc rerollers snuck up and decided to be worse than the vdh rerollers
tender wedge
i think with mage, good mages always make it look so easy and strong
upbeat tundra
then it's usually fotm tank of the season
when bear was fotm it was lit, they just ran into every pack with incarn pure immortality no bullshit skips
had a bunch of bear tanks macroing ironfur to thrash and they couldnt die
dawn talon
hahahaha yeah i skipped most of s2 and came back and bear was legit invulnerable to damage
upbeat tundra
i love when my tanks are immortal dude
dawn talon
as a tank player i love when my survivability isn't 'press 1 button and live' but as a dps player
holy fuck
when prot pala is good
i want to kill myself trying top ug
every time
tender wedge
mm prot pal is often very squishy when not played well
upbeat tundra
idk make the tanks easy to play and immortal and have 100% threat
i hate the way dh pulls
dawn talon
it won't make people play tank more
it will just make the people who enjoy being challenged while tanking quit
upbeat tundra
can only say from my own experience but s2 df was the only season i pushed keys on tank instead of dps
because bear
dawn talon
well i think that's like an extenuating circumstance
upbeat tundra
and it was precisely because i felt like an unkillable god
dawn talon
and it was precisely because i felt like an unkillable god
i like feeling very tanky
i don't like it being brainless
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frail veldt
provides detailed data and breakdown of the sim stuff
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eternal mortar
What's best for mythic OAB? Between HO, RtB or FB RtB
hollow temple
there's "bis" profiles linked in the sheet Mewo used the command for it a moment ago
its going to depend what kind of ability you're asking about most likely
gaunt phoenix
i think you need to be more specific
I read your question like asking to see what happens if you don't press killing spree at all
is that it? or i don't get what you're asking
frail veldt
theres no flagellation on outlaw
frail veldt
If you want to see how much damage you would do without Adr you would need to edit the apl and run a custom sim
and compare that to the regular sim
late swallow
since the sim principle is the same
frail veldt
since our adr uptime is so high in the sim its hrad to tell how much less damage you are doing when adr is down
hollow temple
you mean just like this?
runic bough
if you were to get stunned from killingspree would it proc cheat death or stun you?
im thinking of taking cheat death now with killingspree bullshits
fathom bramble
it seemingly depends on the mechanic
or maybe it's just 50/50
some things that stun get staggered and others don't in my experience
runic bough
im gonna take cheat death now
tight kernel
that wep cranks aoe
runic bough
gj @rotund zodiac
i dont see anyone from here on mythic stix
and heroic is only flushies
hollow temple
or do you 
hollow temple
ye i was about to say
random stirrup
gonna be hard to get a very good log on mythic stix without having people who suck at aoe
craggy barn
idk how to parse mythic fights now im so washed
fathom bramble
stix is a fake fight anyway
runic bough
do they run into boss to break the ball instantly
i been doing that
and only 3mil so far
glass mortar
u cant compete with people being allowed to parse on that fight
runic bough
fathom bramble
I would rather optimize for killing the boss so I don't have to see more than 1 pull
tight kernel
Stix doesnt even count towards all star points right
craggy barn
Stix doesnt even count towards all star points right
yea its 0 pts
craggy barn
i havent gotten good parses since the early weeks in heroic
hollow temple
that would be pretty hard to calculate, and like you said different for every fight, but also for every player etc
runic bough
no way we can keep up adr while doing rolling even one time
glass mortar
u need to sorta hold ar anytime the roll is coming up soon
sometimes the line ups r just bad but yea
bleh fight i just go for the kill it pull 1 strat
ethically run out to hit bombshells
runic bough
i just go where the most padding is
tight kernel
I got one 100 on Cauldron now im rank 13 on it, rip.
hollow temple
in the end it would also come down to some rng and globals used. something like Flag is just +X% mastery so not terribly difficult
something like ADR would be weird i think
runic bough
chinese kush
gaunt phoenix
you can edit the sim rotation to not cast flagellation
But also several conditions for other spells depend on flag buff or cooldown so those would break
suppose you could override flagellation to deal 0 damage and grant 0 mastery and compare
i can do it if you want but it's really case by case how to answer what you are looking for
runic bough
damn look at zac hitting 10mil x3 times thats how we get 4bil on stix
gaunt phoenix
No it would be through a spell data override
you would have to find out how simc is parsing the damage and buff from flagellation and override the appropriate spells/effects if possible
it's not exactly intuitive unless you know what you are looking for
wintry solar
What is this sub chat in my outlaw chat doin?
hollow temple
you could just sim without the talent talented
and compare it to your normal sim i guess
runic bough
What is this sub chat in my outlaw chat doin?
hey popo how are you
gaunt phoenix
i dont think i can succinctly explain how to do this
and im not sure it will get you a useful answer in the end
you could sim without the flag talent if the sub APL will adapt accordingly
i don't know anything about sub so that's beyond me to answer
i believe i've done it actually https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/g5LxfpkqFEAsrfM2aAwxGY
hollow temple
i honestly expected it to be even bigger of a loss than that
but that's still quite substantial 
gaunt phoenix
so for this profile flag is worth ~14% dps over 5 min on average
late swallow
Guys please keep sub chat in the appropriate spec channel
hollow temple
Guys please keep sub chat in the appropriate spec channel
gaunt phoenix
these are the overrides
profileset."nullify flag damage and buff"=override.spell_data=effect.1017353.ap_coefficient=0
profileset."nullify flag damage and buff"+=override.spell_data=effect.1034706.ap_coefficient=0
profileset."nullify flag damage and buff"+=override.spell_data=effect.1017355.base_value=0```!goon @hollow temple but don’t let him bust
late swallow
how about them yankees
I don’t follow any US sports man :/
late swallow
Just euro cycling
runic bough
your legs gonna get thicc
lusty sparrow
I think mythic bandits going to radicalize me against ranged players
runic bough
hollow temple
Pogacar the slovenian goat is gonna win
Kooij 100%
gaunt phoenix
Ok back to kcd2
hollow temple
or Vengegaard
late swallow
Kooij 100%
Idk what’s going on with Jumbo visma this year
They took some big Ls
UAE seems way stronger as a team
And pog is a monster
late swallow
2022 Visma was unstoppable
hollow temple
pogcar must not be allowed to win
late swallow
Wout van art, vingegaard, roglic
hollow temple
you would have to do some sort of advanced sim to replace it i think
gaunt phoenix
in advanced sim you just paste the overrides below the profile (click 'raw input' to see what was entered to run the sim)
they are overrides for the literal data for that spell
Simc parses spell data from the game files
which is yes, on their github
hollow temple
solo where is it that you guys get the new spelldata changes from simc
on the github?
gaunt phoenix
yes, seriallos (raidbots creator) has a system that automatically creates a pull request on github of detected spell data changes
so you can see from pull requests tab usually if they are not merged yet
like this one https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/pulls
wintry solar
hey popo how are you
I'm doing fine, how are you?
gaunt phoenix
but also the thing is, the implementation of some spells is not always handled automagically through spell data, sometimes they are scripted manually (as in blizzard scripts them manually)
in this case you might not be able to just override some part of the spell and expect it to actually do anything
runic bough
I'm doing fine, how are you?
good, hows Ryu have u talked to him lately?
late swallow
Holy
wintry solar
Not today, no.
late swallow
Ryu is meta AF
wintry solar
He's fine I'm sure
wintry solar
Yeah well it's all for the best
wide nexus
so that nightfall cudgel also would work with shadowmeld too right?
gaunt phoenix
Yes
gaunt phoenix
you can just ask and someone will find out the answer
dont necessarily have to know how to do it yourself
celest cobalt
watching zac's replay from earlier stream, why does it look like he casts dispatch with bte procs on a crackshot window?
just a addon bug?
gaunt phoenix
its reading combatlog
hollow temple
because crackshot bte casts dispatches
gaunt phoenix
the dispatch casted by Crackshot is logged as a cast
celest cobalt
oh, k thanks.
gaunt phoenix
oh didnt need to delete them it doesnt matter much
frail veldt
Yeah what exactly are you trying to discover?
gaunt phoenix
happy to answer simc related questions anywhere
frail veldt
how much damage you lose when adr is down?
gaunt phoenix
as an example, sure
frail veldt
thats kind of manual you'd need to give a list of abilities you want this info for
gaunt phoenix
yeah we covered this
frail veldt
the process would be to create a custom apl with that ability excluded
gaunt phoenix
well, not always
gaunt phoenix
like for flagellation i believed it to be better to simply override flagellation to not do anything
rather than fuck with the rotation trying not to cast it
hollow temple
and bad ADR uptime snowballs into worse and worse damage kinda
its more central to outlaw's funtionality than ever i think?
gaunt phoenix
yeah we do everything in our power to keep AR ticking
hollow temple
yeah
sub and Flag is easier to think about
because it's just -% damage on your finishers during the window
yeah, like how ghostly strike is +15% dmg to the target you apply it to
but adrenaline rush being such high uptime and integral to the spec working makes it difficult to think about
because it also does a lot of stuff and isn't just +X% dmg
extra energy, autos, lower GCD
frail veldt
What is the purpose of knowing?
abilities in wow are very synergistic esp on specs like outlaw
kind of a "result is greater than the sum of its parts" situation
gaunt phoenix
removing AR completely is approx 25% dps loss
frail veldt
thats way less than I thought what
torpid fiber
huh
torpid fiber
wait this doesn't make sense
AR is a 25% dps increase just from gcdr
gaunt phoenix
but 0.3s gcd reduction was 40%?
it's a 30% loss but at 40% gain
relative math strikes again?
frail veldt
oh yeah
keen belfry
Relative math goes hard
torpid fiber
wild
frail veldt
did you have ot take adr out of the conditions for stuff like vanish?
gaunt phoenix
Yes
runic bough
guys
runic bough
as KiR and tier set do we prio dispatch outside windows?
keen belfry
That just seems crazy to me. AR only a 34% gain. It seems like it would Be like 50
frail veldt
as KiR and tier set do we prio dispatch outside windows?
no
keen belfry
50%
runic bough
ok
wintry solar
Ryu got tierset now?
runic bough
yep
frail veldt
yeah most of the poeple here are playing outlaw for the enjoyment of its rotation and definitely not for its power haha
every since the S3 DF rework outlaw has been pretty compelling
honestly I think S1 TWW was the worst weve had
since we played fatebound
and that tree is honestly awful
but this season is a different type of problematic
due to KS
the 2 charge vanish change going into TWW was very good for the spec imo
supercharger being on rtb is a little awkward
and the current tier set is pretty rng heavy
but the spec still plays pretty well
frail veldt
oh wow
I DEF dont like it
I tolerate it
you dont play around it at all really
it just hidden hand influences rtb rules
but thats it
wintry solar
I personally don't equate high adr uptime to fun. Just so happens that the only time outlaw is fun now is when adr is active and now it is always up
frail veldt
fatebound plays around SC in a more toxic way imo
gaunt phoenix
yes outlaw has always been fun
From bfa onward
peaked at shadowlands if you ask me
skill has always prevailed over luck, though it's been a longstanding design issue
like bad luck on sub rogue, you deal less damage cause sectec didnt crit or whatever
Bad luck on outlaw and you grind to halt and cant play the game at all
wintry solar
Sometimes you actually auto attack for a few seconds
Maybe not actually a few seconds but it certainly feels that way
raven condor
Bad luck on outlaw and you grind to halt and cant play the game at all
ok so i've not been going mad when i've randomly just hit a cinderblock on a pull??
jolly geyser
Ready to press buttons but norhing happening
gaunt phoenix
it's exceedingly rare that you get completely bricked nowadays but sometimes ye
frail veldt
it's exceedingly rare that you get completely bricked nowadays but sometimes ye
as 1pt fth it can be rough
gaunt phoenix
its more common that you lose uptime for x seconds and then that just happens to fuck you
frail veldt
adr uptime in sim on st is like 90%
so you can get some brutal back to back drops
I really wish I could drop gs for 2pt fth but its a 5% dps loss
if it was 2% id prob do it
just for the playability of it
gs is such an energy sync
wintry solar
Sink
gaunt phoenix
synk
raven condor
synk
jolly geyser
Skink
frail veldt
lol I always get that one wrong
jolly geyser
No typos allowed in rh
frail veldt
fr fr
gaunt phoenix
i think you can go without gs
gaunt phoenix
i know how well 1fth sims, but i cant play it
legit too hard to play like sim
unless you are zac
and played it for 580 keys
the trickster optimizations are really impactful for 1fth
if you dont do them you might as well be 2fth
also if you remove gs you have infinite energy to feint
lol
the spell id of our adrenaline rush is 13750
can see from logs or details
and then that matches the id in wowhead link
wintry solar
Shocker
I know everytime someone here shows AI cooks for Outlaw its almost always a rehash of what we've had before or currently have.
Other times its the same exact thing under a different name
gaunt phoenix
ai needs to be fed the server chat history
magic shuttle
It would come to the conclusion that outlaw is bad
wintry solar
I mean honestly Outlaw doesn't really "fit" with the rest of the classes but it's fun and unique enough to ignore completely
hollow temple
ai needs to be fed the server chat history
please god no
it will spawn in more zeross babies
magic shuttle
I'm not sure tbh how current outlaw resembles old rogue
Like I'm playing combat in cata
wintry solar
please god no
"Killing Spree now summons clones AND also a ghost ship"
magic shuttle
It's wildly different
gaunt phoenix
"Killing Spree now summons clones AND also a ghost ship"
nah that's our mastery
main gauche summons a ghost ship, clones, increases SS chance, increases gun damage
now mastery good no ?
wintry solar
Me when I shoehorn so much into one stat that its good by default
Thank you AI very cool
hollow temple
new mastery: adrenaline rush
wintry solar
Oh god the passive adr people
hidden bay
it should be passive
hollow temple
hidden bay
it is now (if you dont fuck up and the game doesnt hate you)
wintry solar
Bf is passive as well
glass mortar
i mean i could see a choice node with a passive AR thats like 80% effective, vs the active playstyle we have now
easier playstyle, like 5-8% weaker
wintry solar
The problem is if it were passive, you eliminate multiple talents and thered just be no point to anything
glass mortar
you could have it replace uhuh and it would be for a non crackshot playstyle
wintry solar
Ever since RBs inception, combat/outlaw was about looping adr
glass mortar
The problem is if it were passive, you eliminate multiple talents and thered jus...
i think if u made it so like
the uhuh alternative makes AR a weaker passive, and replaces ur AR bind with a new button thats an attack with a 3m cd
and that attack procs the AR talents
wintry solar
I think celerity would be a good choice node with uhuh
Damn that might not be that bad of a cook tbh
It was just an idea I threw out but now that I'm thinking about it, I'd like to see how it'd play out.
Also solves the whole non-crackshot thing
While also being not as good as uhuh
glass mortar
celerity tuned to give u like 80% ar uptime or something
wonder if it would want to drop crackshot
hollow temple
it is, imo
wintry solar
Probably not actually. 4x crit dmg on bte is crazy good
hollow temple
i like current havoc a lot
wintry solar
Remove imp bte or add imp dispatch
Make it happen blizz
And make it a choice node
And then add it to an April fools blue post
hollow temple
i dont really see havoc
It’s really unpopular in keys rn because veng is meta and havoc isn’t in the top 5-6 dps
But it’s been fun to play regardless, for me at least
wintry solar
How much is an average bte crit with imp bte?
gaunt phoenix
How much is an average bte crit with imp bte?
like just under 2 mill
wintry solar
I guess if you're spamming it so much it doesn't need to be super high
rotund zodiac
gj <@192878270042079234>
gaunt phoenix
current outlaw would like anticipation
wintry solar
You could spend 4 CP and it'd spend 1 stored
It could def use it
HO would make a new friend
But idk about 7 max cp with 7 stored
With SC, FTH, etc
That just sounds way too much
Well all you're doing is storing, not actively spending them
That'd help with cs windows
There really is resource bloat isnt there
Another 4 expansions at least
What else could there be?
Blizzard is really adamant that DK is the Necromancer
That's all I can think of that'd work
Evoker was a bit of a stretch already
I'm surprised people are clinging on to it
I'm actually upset shaman didn't get a witch doctor tree
runic bough
guys
wintry solar
Sup
gaunt phoenix
You wait
wintry solar
Bro was KSing in subt
wintry solar
Real
hidden bay
current outlaw would like anticipation
omg id kill for anticipation
trickster needs that
it should be trickster thing for sure
wintry solar
I thought it was an obvious choice and I think it's one of the most disappointing moments I've ever had with blizz
Witch doctor goes wayyy back
calm osprey
Anyone else noticed an issue with the weapon swap macro when your regular main and offhand weapons have the same name? Talking about this macro:
#showtooltip 17 /equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel /equipslot 17 Crowd Favorite
With one press, I think it equips cudgel but then swaps my MH weapon to OH so I end up with cudgel in MH
Any way around that issue?
wintry solar
Also
I get why they didn't add blademaster
And frankly I'm disappointed but I understand
Last thing we need is fury with mirror image
I like how they made new archetypes for some classes
I think Fatebound and Trickster are a good foundation
Now if only they could do good with the execution
Outlaw hasn't been a pirate since like SL
frail veldt
wat
wintry solar
Outlaw is just that
frail veldt
jolly geyser
warrior is warrior
frail veldt
wintry solar
Is that your sell?
wintry solar
Same
frail veldt
monk?
wintry solar
I think this lack of identity restricts some creativity
frail veldt
lol
gaunt phoenix
Anyone else noticed an issue with the weapon swap macro when your regular main a...
i believe you can use the ugly item id string
run this script to get it for MH and OH
/run local function id(s) return string.match(GetInventoryItemLink("player",s) or "","(item:.+:%d+)") end ChatFrame1:AddMessage("MH:"..id(16).."\nOH:"..id(17))
then for example it might be
/equipslot 17 item:237780:::::::80:260::55:4:6652:11984:1520:10255:1:28:2462
this is assuming your two crowd favorites actually have different ids
wintry solar
I think at this point, they've all been meshed into other classes
Like spellwardens got baked into dk, etc.
jolly geyser
battle mage
wintry solar
That's probably not unique enough
With shammy and fdk being the way they are, I'm sure some would argue we already do.
jolly geyser
whatever class Lillian Voss is
wintry solar
Rogue?
gaunt phoenix
rog
jolly geyser
she does magic
wintry solar
She was magic before rogue
Read up on your (probably ret conned) 20 year old lore gah
glass mortar
shes like a dark ranger melee type
glass mortar
my favorite piece of lore is that if you dont do the rogue order hall class campaign, you dont know that all of BfA was caused by a legion psyop
only they learned the dreadlords orchastrated the broken shore invasion where the leaders died
wintry solar
I forgot about that, it's so cool
glass mortar
to spur the war between the alliance and horde in bfa
also bonus mention, people forget that the alliance technically started the war
wintry solar
All peace is bitter peace
glass mortar
greymane went on a "scouting" mission where he lied to andiun and ambushed sylvanas fleet on route to stormheim
they attacked a faction they were technically in a ceasefire with
xd
wintry solar
I did that quest the other day, thought that was funny.
Funny in a "I can't believe you'd do this" sort of way
But I could actually believe it because he's kind of a tool
jolly geyser
Jaina almost drowning org is funny
craggy barn
holy yoda put outlaw in A+ tier, we up good
calm osprey
i believe you can use the ugly item id string
run this script to get it for MH...
I thought for sure you had the answer, but I ended up with the exact same behavior.
My two Crowd Favorites do have different long IDs (they are diff ilvl)
OH:item:228904:7460:::::::::80:260::6:5:6652:10356:11995:1524:10255:1:28:2462```
So I used the following macro:
```#showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 item:228904:7460:::::::::80:260::6:5:6652:10356:11995:1524:10255:1:28:2462```
But sure enough I still ended up with the cudgel in MH and my MH CF moved to OH
I'll probably just end up using a modifier key. Thanks for the help!
shut lichen
The Dreadblades lore is cool too
ghost pirate lore
wintry solar
Essentially it's a locket that Jaina gave to Arthas and he kept it with him until his death in Wrath. Which meant that he was still "Arthas" in the sense he wasn't 100% gone.
There's not a lot to it, it's moreso trivia I guess.
jolly geyser
Windrunners and humans,classic
shut lichen
fake news
leaden folio
remember when they said we have to pickpocket to get somebuff with crimson vial ?
never happen
wintry solar
Vial
shut lichen
only thing between them was fucking Sylvanas talking to a 10 anima orb
leaden folio
oh sorry; bad english
shut lichen
basically all this just to have the most anti-climatic piece of crap writing in SLs
to send off the OG
smh
wintry solar
He should've landed the killing blow on the jailer with a shattered frostmourne
Stabbed him where he stabbed his father
And then dissipates away into an anima ball
Lordaeron in general has good lore
true cedar
now mastery good no ?
YE$S MASTERY VALUE GO UP UP MOOON YESYES
vivid vessel
I thought for sure you had the answer, but I ended up with the exact same behavi...
I have a solution for you
Do you want the tech
I can share mega secret macro tech
I used to weapon swap a lot in df and sl
And when you have multiple weapons of the same it stop working kinda
BUT
You can swap with an inventory slot instead
So like /ewuipwhatever 2 2
I think that should be second bag second slot
Stuffs like that
Try it out
wintry solar
I just put my weapons on an action bar button
calm osprey
Try it out
I'll look into that in the morning hell yeah thanks for the tip
vivid vessel
Also if they have diff enchants
It will work with the weapon id thing
If you say have st enchants for st for example
wintry solar
I just put my weapons on an action bar button
That was to swap mh and offhand and is for classic. Nvm.
It'd probably still work assuming you're only changing main hand
Dang that took way too long
Outlaw had Shadowblades before Sub
Dreadblades increased dmg dealt while active
Also
Thought this was funny in the context of modern outlaw
tulip jewel
iirc you can bind a stop key or something, but just logging it is easier
dense hawk
can anyone exp^lain hwo the renown stuff actually work to me lol. ive been raiding since week 2 4/8mythic and i just learned today i had to accept a quest inside the raid to unlock the actual rep for the dmg amp% so i was at 0% the whole timee
doing normal rn to catchup the raid and im not gaining any on the first 4
tulip jewel
you might still have to loot the boss?
dense hawk
i did
tulip jewel
you used to have to idk if they fixed it
dense hawk
didnt get anything
tulip jewel
the cap is 9% this week
tulip jewel
you looking at the correct renown path?
that's the only thing i can think of, all should work
dense hawk
gallagio loyalty reward
zealous plinth
We only want to weapon swap OOC right?
wintry solar
Out of character?
zealous plinth
Out of combat 🤣
untold yarrow
is it a WA that shows you group CDs?
vivid vessel
Omnicd
magic crow
Just starting out my Outlaw journey and was wondering, would it be a good idea to simply craft 2x 1H as first crafts?
tender wedge
no, off hand is pretty low value
glass mortar
especially with this event offhand easily accesible to any toon
daring oxide
Just starting out my Outlaw journey and was wondering, would it be a good idea t...
Just one 1H is enough
rotund zodiac
Is the event dagger warbound?
magic crow
especially with this event offhand easily accesible to any toon
Which one do you mean if I may ask?
glass mortar
the one in the pins
magic crow
Ahhh Thank you!