but if we're talking about dps VS dps
#outlaw
hollow temple
upbeat tundra
ks is the issue
hollow temple
outlaw is quite good now
fossil axle
also depending on how tank approaches dungeons
upbeat tundra
numerically sure
fossil axle
tank can absolutely wreck sin dps
sullen wyvern
It is, I love outlaw now
fossil axle
outlaw more flat
dawn talon
nah sin's damage profile is so much better that it is not a real comparison
hollow temple
especially in low to mid level keys
shell fossil
its nice that sin plays well with most comps
hollow temple
outlaw cranks hog
sullen wyvern
idc too much about spec vs spec
asl ong as outlaw is good enough to be able to do somewhat high keys
assa cna be tier S+++ for all I care
dawn talon
yea
sullen wyvern
I wont play assa ever
shell fossil
idk in tww s1*** hough aug was kind of a bad pick even when it was viable with good play or something
dawn talon
in terms of pushing though outlaw only rly viable w/ phys comp
but im not doing 18s and anyone asking about spec comparisons probably isn't either
so
upbeat tundra
in terms of pushing though outlaw only rly viable w/ phys comp
numerically outlaw is good i think its just ks that makes it borderline unplayable
sullen wyvern
pretty sure assa benefits the same if not more with physical dmg comps
unfortunately we cant all have wox's team
I have to play with a braindead DH and Ret paladin player
friendship
shell fossil
outlaw/ele sham can be hit or miss but idk theyre somewhat rare out of high kheys
dawn talon
pretty sure assa benefits the same if not more with physical dmg comps
ye but u already have marks funnelso assa funnel loses value
upbeat tundra
does anyone know if i can just afk this nightfall shit
or do i really hav eto run around and participate
dawn talon
numerically outlaw is good i think its just ks that makes it borderline unplayab...
it's pretty playable outside of ws and fg
upbeat tundra
u cant make me
i will have to give you a 0 for the day if you don't participate young man 
sullen wyvern
I actually like FG outlaw a lot, maybe FG third boss kinda annoying you dont wanna yank a dps around 
dawn talon
I personally dont have issues with FG
last boss is annoying and the trash before it is aids
upbeat tundra
it's pretty playable outside of ws and fg
until you kill your teammate on swampface, or die to the circle on momma, or be unable to use ks in 4 different places in rookery, or cant hit it on the candle boss in darkflame for the entire fight, there's way too many places you just cant hit ks or ks will kill you
sullen wyvern
yeah agree, I just send low cp on the trash and on boss if he is doing the beams intermission
low cp KS
upbeat tundra
cant hit ks on first boss of rookery half the fight
sullen wyvern
but for the rest is not as bad as WS imo
upbeat tundra
its just real real bad
sullen wyvern
also RK packs after 1st boss that are constantly pulling you
dawn talon
until you kill your teammate on swampface, or die to the circle on momma, or be ...
what when are you dying to big momma circle
sullen wyvern
I find that to be extremely aids
dawn talon
and candle boss is tank skill issue
sullen wyvern
cant hit ks on first boss of rookery half the fight
That too
second boss can also be annoying
hollow temple
cant hit ks on first boss of rookery half the fight
?
dawn talon
rookery 1st boss is cringe but that boss is free
sullen wyvern
I personally dislike RK a lot
shell fossil
..motherlode peacekeepers are worth 1.5% afair and are honesrtly look very skippable imo
hollow temple
which part
sullen wyvern
and is just because of KS
dawn talon
which part
intermission, it just kills you
hollow temple
when shes in the middle?
dawn talon
even low cp ks can just rng kill you
sullen wyvern
yeah, you cant KS during 1st boss intermission
dawn talon
yes
hollow temple
i swear you can
dawn talon
no you can't lol
upbeat tundra
if you hit ks at all during the intermission it will stun you instantly
hollow temple
just saw zac do it
sullen wyvern
gbotta wait until its over and starts to cast the landing ability, that's the earliest you can KS after that
fathom bramble
zac probably used cloak
upbeat tundra
just saw zac do it
he gambled
sullen wyvern
claock and gamble
upbeat tundra
or cloaked yea
sullen wyvern
eveyrtime I've tried I get stunned and die
shell fossil
also using it when beams end is gamba, you get yeeted if you exit ks at ther wrong time
sullen wyvern
yep
you lose a lot of damage in that fight
which sucks because ion high keys that boss has too much HP
shell fossil
i did 1.3m one pull and 2m on an 11 today for funsies, idk kir def comes out ahead on there
sullen wyvern
Third boss is the only boss I find kind of ok doing as outlaw and it can even suck sometimes if you have to clear a spike that is out of melee range
2nd boss can be aids since it zones you out
upbeat tundra
and candle boss is tank skill issue
it doesnt matter if its a tank issue because it happens still and you have zero control of it
sullen wyvern
specially if you have range dps/healers standing in africa and making him jump too far away
hidden bay
which one of you guys has this name
upbeat tundra
first boss of cinderbrew when your tank has the boss right next to the tornadoes and you cant hit ks
sullen wyvern
which one of you guys has this name
shell fossil
smol server win, tanks position for outlaw on cinder lately 
upbeat tundra
are you supposed to sit there mid boss fight and explain to your tank why your spec requires them to play differently or will the tank just leave and play with the real specs like lmao
hollow temple
ye you just ask them before starting the key
sullen wyvern
Generally tanks should know how to pull depending on the comp theyre playing with
upbeat tundra
at the moment its unironically an affix to play this spec however i will still play it
and be an affix
sullen wyvern
The higher you push the better the tanks are
But most of the time tanks are just apes that smash their head to a key until they time it and go to the next one
upbeat tundra
The higher you push the better the tanks are
this could not be less true
sullen wyvern
perks of playing a role that not too many people play
dawn talon
i mean maybe if you aren't playing with Xxsasukexx you will have a tank that is not an impatient 14 year old
and will change the boss positioning by 3yds
i legit just ask before key 'can u move candleking a little after pickaxe'
they all do it
shell fossil
if it's your key get two ranged whenever you can, they tend to do the candle mechanics neatly enough to get more killing sprees in
upbeat tundra
the other weapon effects are ST i think
the other weapons effects read exactly like that one neck from that world boss that was bis
definitely dont remember what it was called
some classic wow item i think we wore last expac
anyone know what im talking about
crit vers neck our autoattacks did some extra fire damage
fathom bramble
I was looking at those and on paper the on AA damage just isn't high enough
I didn't really do much testing beyond just looking at how much damage it might do
upbeat tundra
the trinkets it offers also sound like it either does zero dps or infinity dps
latent oak
woudl the auto increase flurry
since its shadow damage
the court of stars auto increase did flurry right
from the ring
fathom bramble
court of stars actually increased AA damage so it's different
upbeat tundra
that one read differently
fathom bramble
these other effects that just add a flat effect to AAs shouldn't flurry
latent oak
makes sense
sullen wyvern
I was looking at those and on paper the on AA damage just isn't high enough
def with higher ilvl maybe
tender wedge
i think most of those new nightfall effects are good in and of themselves but the ilvl is too low to compete with mythic stuff outside of that cudgel
tender wedge
if your rogue is an alt and you're running around at 650-660 then that stuff looks pretty great
daring oxide
Holy paladin a smart healer?
cloud thunder
whats the cook for junkmaestros? i see some logs people are pressing off cd others people are waiting for high stacks, too lazy to hit a dummy for 20 mins to figure out
gaunt phoenix
there isnt one, the damage over time is the same if you slam it or wait for 30 stacks
the stacks just let you flex it for vulnerability windows and shit
red zinc
depends on if you are playing with another on use or not (house of cards, signet)
if you arent just spam it
tender wedge
does the on-use affect the 20s trinket timer
gaunt phoenix
Yes
red zinc
OR hold for damage amp windows like big momma, last boss rookery, etc
tender wedge
yeah so just slam without sitting on full stacks for ages without effecting your other trinket cd
or that
sick hamlet
is there any decent horde race for rog? I feel like nelf just outshines everything else
fathom bramble
well it's important that duels are fast
if your allies can't do it then you have to
red zinc
is there any decent horde race for rog? I feel like nelf just outshines everythi...
dwarf is better than nelf
for horde idk though
shell fossil
ironically tauren rogue i think
fathom bramble
tauren and dwarf have the same damage racial
sullen wyvern
is there any decent horde race for rog? I feel like nelf just outshines everythi...
tauren should be better numerically
gaunt phoenix
tauren you lose dps for being a fat fuck and cant see ground effects as well
sullen wyvern
true and real
latent oak
tauren you lose dps for being a fat fuck and cant see ground effects as well
blub up and then u are still a fat fuck but can see the floor
red zinc
just dont know why youd say nelf "outshines everything else"
cloud thunder
i see ty guys
late swallow
i get femtauren is fine
solo a freak confirmed
gaunt phoenix
ye
latent oak
how the fuck
latent oak
do u have that off the rip
hollow temple
wtf
gaunt phoenix
https://tenor.com/view/tauren-female-casting-couch-casting-couch-gif-20211837
LOOL
red zinc
terminal onlineitis
sick hamlet
im saving that lmfao
fathom bramble
dwarf racial would have saved me on our mugzee kill
frank finch
on what
fathom bramble
the tank mechanic shot me in the head
hollow temple
fathom bramble
and I could have cleared the bleed to survive
hollow temple
late swallow
terminal onlineitis
50k more messages than me btw
latent oak
the quality of the messages gotta count for something
sick hamlet
exposed
late swallow
i only post bangers
fathom bramble
dwarf racial is randomly very good and then the tauren one is just passively helping you at all times
red zinc
wat
latent oak
next xpac will have some cracked food and panda will rise
late swallow
https://tenor.com/view/warcraft-hmmm-hehehe-scared-gif-13259643
banger
red zinc
?!
late swallow
LMAO
sick hamlet
sadge
red zinc
weirdo
gaunt phoenix
idk about that one
leaden folio
https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-tww-2/13485537-14-priory-of-the-sacred-flame here we go boyz
gaunt phoenix
who won
gaunt phoenix
nice
leaden folio
gaunt phoenix
its cause they have pc
late swallow
the kir chad beat the two ho-copers
gaunt phoenix
pc does infinite dmg rn
late swallow
gaunt phoenix
nvm you all have pc
leaden folio
nah i have rotation problem
latent oak
blame rtb rng like a man
leaden folio
i drop adr rush like a noob
latent oak
i swear kir-ing already kir-ed buffs is like the best feeling in wow
fathom bramble
wish NA could make a triple outlaw group
upbeat tundra
adr rush
daring oxide
glass mortar
Oh we trying to triple outlaw??
vivid vessel
maybe outlaw is the problem
timber knoll
Triple law warr tank mw
reef forge
who can't i find that weapon at the vendor?
gaunt phoenix
wrong vendor
reef forge
i see thanks
fathom bramble
I wonder if they will fix the swapping like they have done in the past
vivid vessel
i dont think they ever did
its jsut that
some weapons spawned in s3/4
df
and you couldnt swap them
but general swapping as always been a thing
upbeat tundra
wait you swap the weapons mid key?
fluid meadow
does the mages do swap tech with mechagon wep btw or can't?
fathom bramble
true
fathom bramble
wait you swap the weapons mid key?
yes
fathom bramble
for some reason keys use the same swap restrictions as combat
so it lets you swap weapons still
upbeat tundra
lol
fathom bramble
we have gotten a capo on all 3 of our mugzee kills
brisk meadow
CAPO
vivid vessel
and i dontthink any in vault either
glass mortar
does the mages do swap tech with mechagon wep btw or can't?
It puts on use weapons on like a 20s cd so i doubt it
vivid vessel
btw lok
i finally managed to get a log on first boss of the raid right
like a 99
but
i /reloaded
during pull timer
so it got invalidated
fathom bramble
rip
tulip jewel
kek
vivid vessel
i litteraly start4ed 5s into the pull
without being in stealth
and it doesnt count
fathom bramble
I fixed my one-armed finally
vivid vessel
and my evo got r1
tulip jewel
is that because it's your log?
tulip jewel
wtf lmao as if
fathom bramble
is that because it's your log?
yeah if a log starts mid pull it invalidates
vivid vessel
I will never fix my first boss parse man ..
tulip jewel
yeh i mean, just funny nobody else was even loggin
vivid vessel
@fathom bramble
thoughts ?
is it skill issue
maybe im just very bad on first boss
vivid vessel
yep
tulip jewel
just ask people to play ethically and not touch adds
fathom bramble
vivid vessel
my r2 on mug was blue
yep
skill issue
i legit need to r1 everywhere rn or it gets me mad
cause everything else is ugly cxolor
runic bough
fathom bramble
7 logs on gally this patch lol
tulip jewel
people aren't built for spree
fathom bramble
we only managed 7.8 last night
vivid vessel
maybe i oversold trickster on gally
eh
he has 2 ilvl over me and capo mythic
next week i do 3.4 mil for sure
tulip jewel
so many fights are odd to parse on tho
if your guild has anchor melees ranks are ez af
vivid vessel
ye
keen belfry
I was doing tank dmg
vivid vessel
when im tired
red zinc
is resilient not account wide
fathom bramble
a few mistakes or a bad KS and it just tanks
vivid vessel
its kinda crazy
trail star
skill issue
vivid vessel
but also it reassure me a bit
fathom bramble
dying right after pressing AR and you might as well not even res me
vivid vessel
cause it means
outlaw isnt that good
people wont play it well enough in keys
its fine
we are fine
runic bough
true
tulip jewel
we are omega momentum snowbally
fathom bramble
outlaw isnt that good
you just have to be at maximum focus constantly and never make a mistake wdym
keen belfry
Is that boss not ass for melee
vivid vessel
you just have to be at maximum focus constantly and never make a mistake wdym
like lok
i went into 17 rookery
and i was mega tired
i wasnt playing like i was playing all day
and i just did normal damage
legit - 1 mil dps
from not being in gamer mode
runic bough
my single target can get up to 2.8mil but if theres no flow/dry its 0 damage.
vivid vessel
thats wild
tulip jewel
did you roll enough 6 buffs? xd
keen belfry
Outlaw dmg is so funny
arctic hollow
tulip jewel
i feel like as soon as i see 6 buffs i lock tf in
vivid vessel
did you roll enough 6 buffs? xd
when im playing bad i feel like im rolling worse
i understand people that comes in here saying they have bad roll luck
cause i feel it
when im playing like shit
when im in gamer mode im perma rolling 5
but am I ?
keen belfry
If you play pretty okay (good enough for most specs) + get bad rolls + uptime is bad like a few bosses you seem to do 0 dmg
tulip jewel
but am I ?
i mean we felt shit when bf was bugged and we didn't know why too xd
polar kelp
I feel better throughout the key if I keep details on "overall" and not " current" lol. It's just sad sometimes seeing 15/20Mil /sec from other classes and you're at...8 lol
tulip jewel
i just put it down to like, yeah i was too focused on stops i guess 
fathom bramble
sometimes I feel like I'm behind because of those pulls where someone is just in space while your in the dirt
and then on the overall your winning at the end
fathom bramble
granted I haven't done like a 17 or anything
tulip jewel
and you're kinda hoping someone wipes xd
vivid vessel
bro lok
fathom bramble
idk if I catch up in a real high key with real players
vivid vessel
i did a 15 priory for fun earlier
runic bough
Do you guys ever have no energy with subterfuge window as tricksters it goes to waste (even if adr is active 1 ss during entire window) feels stupid
tulip jewel
keys are usually fine tbh decently reliable
tulip jewel
can we triple outlaw fr
tulip jewel
no cap
fathom bramble
I need an NA triple outlaw group so bad
vivid vessel
10 BILLION DAMAGE
tulip jewel
not even 11
red zinc
he only got this damage after getting the weapon just saying
tulip jewel
yikes dood
red zinc
hidden damage trick
vivid vessel
he only got this damage after getting the weapon just saying
real
red zinc
actually 20% dps increase
red zinc
pins
vivid vessel
but also idk
runic bough
i see new tech
vivid vessel
killing spree
you feel like its not that impactful
but i feel it a lot
in high keys
where im playing sltighyl safer
tulip jewel
yah it's definitely big
vivid vessel
and my damage is way under
tulip jewel
buying energy regen while not losing dmg
red zinc
imagine how strong ks would be if it was just a button you pressed and it did all the damage without gcd locking
vivid vessel
and i might be the most degen killing spree enjoyer rn
i legit send it on cd
but even then
keen belfry
Spam pressing RTB sometimes feels rlly rlly bad
vivid vessel
you play safer in higher keys
tulip jewel
yeh but you play cheat
vivid vessel
and it feels like it
keen belfry
But I think I like this tier set
runic bough
damn ive been ignoring the new contents
tulip jewel
i'm in the most scuffed keys where i have to feint everything in case potatoes don't heal
vivid vessel
no cheat is impossible
started playing elus in priory aswell now
cant survive priory anymore
tulip jewel
after 17s it's pre cooked unless your healers aren't boosted
tulip jewel
yeah it's also just guaranteed to live any bolt that goes off unless you cop a double
which you have other things for
vivid vessel
rrokery i also decided it was impossibvle at 16 so
tulip jewel
yeah for sure
tulip jewel
you also just feel like a giga tank with elusiveness at least
tulip jewel
yeah pre much
just have to play reserved where you could land somewhere dangerous at the end
and use cloak to strip any cooked spree dots
vivid vessel
ye and then
you do 1 mil dps overall
just cause of that
but you dont even realize it
tulip jewel
my rook was 3rd for damage
that was just being reserved with spree
so that's probs the diff right there
~200k on rook
dense bolt
guys give me an estimate
tulip jewel
about 69
tulip jewel
depends how important blizzard deems it
nobody can predict that xd
took them since 5.4 to fix bf xd
tulip jewel
west side on the map
trail star
Okay thanks
dense bolt
very important to get the quest before completing the end boss tho
thats whats get u the wep on champion
trail star
Might be a good time to pick again outlaw
vivid vessel
in 17s rn
dense bolt
we just played fatebound
vivid vessel
but im better tho 
tulip jewel
zac actually prefers spree
dense bolt
u didnt say that
tulip jewel
keeps his heart pumping extra fast
winter nacelle
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
vivid vessel
tulip jewel
burns about +200 calories extra each day
tulip jewel
xd
tulip jewel
i think we do a little
like you pad as they're grouping
front loaded aoe when nobody else has anything for quick dying mobs
vivid vessel
you are the second one today that says that
"you are padding while tank is grouping"
thats litteraly ythe most efficient damage you could do
tulip jewel
i mean it's useful for sure
vivid vessel
=/pad
frank finch
how dare you
vivid vessel
nice
jovial socket
10 yrs late
hybrid crown
yes
late swallow
A lot of people don’t know this but the rogue dev was one of the producers on college dropout
winter nacelle
can i even swap back to kir with 9800 haste, is only 14%
latent oak
A lot of people don’t know this but the rogue dev was one of the producers on co...
he's the titular pablo from tlop
valid tartan
or that im playing with bad players
this
vivid vessel
hybrid crown
the sun glasses are good
they look like grandma glasses on a worgen so I skipped over them
vivid vessel
timber knoll
Don’t come to dornogal tomorrow
vivid vessel
tf?
latent oak
whats the name of the sunnies
vivid vessel
whats the name of the sunnies
not telling !
late swallow
No cap
latent oak
:^(
vivid vessel
thoughts on my monk weak auras ?
vivid vessel
late swallow
timber knoll
We got an all time rogue set this tier mfs ain’t using it smh
late swallow
I’ve been working this grave shift
hybrid crown
and at a weird angle
late swallow
And I ain’t made shit
hybrid crown
expectations are always low on worgen
vivid vessel
why are you a dog tho ..
hybrid crown
best race
latent oak
wish i could get aviators or smth with this
late swallow
Farm the fish mog
late swallow
1h floppy fish bis
latent oak
the sticks
jolly geyser
stick scraping ground
late swallow
Ball so hard they thought you were a nutsack
latent oak
another banger from watch the throne
vivid vessel
casual addict team is about to get eliminated
cause they played the off meta comps today
instead of tomorrow
tender wedge
#strategy
late swallow
Putting the casual in casualaddict
shut lichen
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
civic void
casual addict team is about to get eliminated
Upside of this is hearing the casters try to pronounce comme tu veux more
mellow thicket
What does that mean
civic void
As you want is the closest i guess
proven ocean
@vivid vessel we made it to the rio all players front page
lets goooooooooooo
we should be top 35-40
so kinda only few teams are ahead of us
dim widget
can someone explain to me why i wasnt able to swap weapons in key? works in city but not in key. am i missing something or just dumb and didnt realize we still/already in combat?
old badger
sorry i was sleeping! looks like you guys figured it out tho thank you!
fathom bramble
can someone explain to me why i wasnt able to swap weapons in key? works in city...
you should be able to unless there is a specific weapon that they have flagged as not letting you
whether your in combat or not
gaunt phoenix
they might have flagged capo if you were trying to swap capo
dim widget
not capo, only have gally weap
gaunt phoenix
I dont have one to test
dim widget
but i couldve been in combat, not sure, will do more testing tmrw i guess
vivid vessel
nice gg
proven ocean
@vivid vessel '
fathom bramble
swapping capo seems to work fine in keys
keep in mind that swapping weapons in combat or in a key triggers a gcd
so you can't do it while doing something else
trail star
this is the weapon right
hollow temple
this is the weapon right
Ye it’s also in the pins 
trail star
Opsies
cinder summit
whats was the cool transmog called with the agent theme ?
trail star
btw @hollow temple i opened a ticket regarding to the renown bug
this was part of the asnwer:
trail star
fathom bramble
why does the weapon hit for so much less than the tooltip indicates 🤔
hollow temple
hollow temple
whats was the cool transmog called with the agent theme ?
Check pins in #transmog
trail star
looks pretty good
still matrix
hollow temple
yeah taht shit is gonna get nerfed
vivid vessel
you guys are overselling the weapon so hard
hollow temple
What about that picture makes you think that
dense bolt
yea but
why does ilvl matter
if something does way more dmg
and also have
haste vers
capo dosent even have that
vivid vessel
because you lose stats ?
vivid vessel
its not just free
dense bolt
u get more & dmg from nightfall wep and it has secondaries
runic bough
its not even doing full dmg on tooltip
vivid vessel
and im sleeping
vivid vessel
im not playing ross
proven ocean
we want a cooked law
vivid vessel
lol
runic bough
the mace isnt doing full dmg loktark said and still strong
brisk meadow
runic bough
its already nerfed
brisk meadow
Jerry baiting
sullen wyvern
shadownerf maybe?
old badger
thanks guys for looking at that wep my friends told me i was cooked :>
hollow temple
shadownerf maybe?
No
hollow temple
No
sullen wyvern
gotta wait 30 mins for the next event
proven ocean
@vivid vessel what if double mini boss in dfc is good now
with outlaw
before 3rd boss
?
trail star
its on simc?
vivid vessel
no its not
vivid vessel
i mena it means its worth about 1 % in this scenario
dense bolt
i mean 3.5% in brew in a kinda low key +13 with secondaries
trail star
so its 2% for me approx
vivid vessel
its not particularly huge
vivid vessel
i mean for my sim here
dense bolt
its v good
trail star
Nah
trail star
Its similar to sylv weapons iirc
runic bough
well its already nerfed loktark said its not doing the full dmg on tooltip
fathom bramble
it's probably not properly referencing the ilvl or something
dense bolt
if you have bad weapons i guess its better but
https://imgur.com/ZJiSMyY i have 675 and capo to swap out for it
fathom bramble
but it doesn't matter if it's doing damage
mellow thicket
The devs are listening lol
runic bough
well they should fix tooltips to match the programming
vivid vessel
who cares
fathom bramble
I mean yeah
but tooltips in this game are so hit or miss I just don't care anymore
red zinc
i dont see outlaw in the thumbmail
its next to aug actually i see it
sullen wyvern
sullen wyvern
cant wait for bot players to arm their groups based on these 'new meta' videos
yes Lordbigbalz, you can time your 10 with whatever, no need to be picky
pliant wind
kekw a+
vivid vessel
they dont know outlaw is the best spec in the game
vivid vessel
REAL
fathom bramble
I think it's funny when people label their tierlists with s/a/a/a/b to try and reinforce that all specs can do keys
and no one reads it that way
at all
dense marsh
Good to see you still outlaw Loktark 
I have rolled over to the darkness side of heal main and now dev evoker main 
fathom bramble
rip
red zinc
depressing
vivid vessel
I legit think triple outlaw is a good comp rn
outlaw is a funny spec
it plays different than everything else
so it doesnt really fit into any comp
dense marsh
I wish I have enough conc to recraft all my pieces to haste/vers
vivid vessel
but it also is able to standalone pretty well
dense marsh
I guess I could just buy an aotc carry on my rogue so I can buy Capo on hero track when its out
red zinc
its not particularly huge
HUGE ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE unseen blade minmax NOW FOUND (0.2%)
lone spear
we are in a+ apparently
dude my pet peeve with tier lists is them using eviscerate icon for ass rogue
vivid vessel
hey man
lone spear
they dont have it anymore 
red zinc
hello handsome
lone spear
they havent for like forever
red zinc
true
vivid vessel
i could stop doing my little shenanigan things
and i would be doing the same damage
proven ocean
@vivid vessel lmk if u want 18s btw
since i have it resilient
can get u a free boost
in our team
if u want
proven ocean
ur class sucks
what other way would i say it
oh
i play rogue too
i mean outlaw
viral flume
obvioulsy sim it, but how much haste is too much haste with AR and stealth buff
proven ocean
im sure cheat death is fine we just save cr
valid tartan
Outlaw feels comfy
valid tartan
When I played it today I was gapping everyone
proven ocean
dude
our tank
is insanely good
rare aggro issues
he was about to tank dfc 18 on his 662 guardian druid but we griefed him
and threw all winds into him on 2nd boss
lmao
gaunt phoenix
obvioulsy sim it, but how much haste is too much haste with AR and stealth buff
well for KIR over 20% is immediately too much
for HO if you have over 20% then i'd be like ehhh that sounds unusual
sullen wyvern
can confirm, I used to have over 20% as HO because I missinterpreted when FAQ said 'you want more haste'
or a lot of haste? I forgot
viral flume
for HO if you have over 20% then i'd be like ehhh that sounds unusual
This is raw? Like without AR and stealth?
cloud thunder
where mace
frail veldt
This is raw? Like without AR and stealth?
Yes
frail veldt
where mace
Pins
upbeat tundra
i did event wher edo i buy
if u dont see it that means its sold out
upbeat tundra
out of stock i think
cloud thunder
its the one on the left
sullen wyvern
so the mace is like 1-2% aoe dps increase at most?
pliant wave
2~2.5% overall
runic bough
they did a quick nerf on that
i do more without it
i never get to experience the fun stuffs
digital linden
when were we getting dinars?
cold jewel
13th is first dinar
digital linden
oh shit thats soon
runic bough
hmmm
that was a 8 top
im trying it now with shaman buff
going to do a 10 priory with enh sham
and a tank/heal troll just started key and left
gaunt phoenix
you are the biggest yapper
runic bough
didnt get to test it in priory
shut lichen
you are the biggest yapper
late swallow
dense bolt
censi
desert tendon
please fix your ui
desert tendon
oh
it s lok
@fathom bramble why do you have a pal spell. Please fix Drog ui. This is really uncomfortable to watch. Tyvm. (you rock go pump these keys uwu )
frail veldt
they did a quick nerf on that
how do you so confidently proclaim fake news lol
cold jewel
he just build diff mewo
cold jewel
you guys just wouldn't understand, ryu's on a whole 'nother level. gg
dense bolt
thats what im saying
timber knoll
Guys the gsw build go hard
fathom bramble
<@101843879791177728> why do you have a pal spell. Please fix Drog ui. This is r...
feel like I could have done more
fathom bramble
raid soon
dense bolt
if people get pushjed to middle
glass mortar
why am i coming back from being gone all weekend to find we have a new gimmick in the pins
gaunt phoenix
glass mortar
outlaw rogue cannot be trusted direct damage items i swear
gaunt phoenix
HM
fathom bramble
less stam, maybe not even a real damage gain idk
glass mortar
is this stuff BoA i got the token on my alts
does the damage proc from any BF event or just BF cast?
fathom bramble
any bf event
frail veldt
@gaunt phoenix why does the cudgel do worse in patchwerk 8 target?
its 8/8 champ
am I trippin?
or is it only better at even higher counts
glass mortar
doesnt the pin say the proc reseting on vanish isnt implemented in sims
or did u override it
hollow temple
glass mortar
thats gunna be alot of its power yea
glass mortar
ur only getting one proc per target hit one time in that sim
and its still only 1.2% behind
frail veldt
kinda wild haha
gaunt phoenix
the proc is not in sim at all
fathom bramble
I think if I had a 678 dagger with good stats it would just be better than the new wep in this key 🤔
glass mortar
O
hollow temple
theyll patch that soon I imagine
?
fathom bramble
idk it woudl be a weird thing to patch
it's not so strong that it is really oppressive
frail veldt
I mean I agree
fathom bramble
and you would have to rewrite a lot of the wep to make it work differently
frail veldt
ive just seen them patch stuff like that in the past idk
nah not really youd just have to extend the out of combat to be like 5 seconds or something
instead of instant
dense bolt
ur only getting one proc per target hit one time in that sim
#outlaw message this was meadery 13 for me but also kind low key
frail veldt
just feels like a "fun detected" blizz fix moment
fathom bramble
it's just not as simple as changing 1 number or flag like we sometimes see
I'm sure it wouldn't take long but it just seems like a supreme waste of time
dense bolt
i mightve fucked the link up
frail veldt
it's just not as simple as changing 1 number or flag like we sometimes see
I Mean who knows
it could be
late swallow
i don't think they'd patch something like this
split ingot
if i wanna eqiup the new mace it will be better if mugzee wep goes to mh slot right?
late swallow
remember, our regular gear is getting even more juiced in a few weeks
split ingot
since there are no sims
late swallow
i'd guess this shit gets outscaled anyways
dense bolt
if i wanna eqiup the new mace it will be better if mugzee wep goes to mh slot ri...
Told me to swap capo for it