outlaw

[civic zephyr]

[red zinc]

zac

[hidden bay]

bet its not even an upgrade for sweater like you

[vivid vessel]

1.8% i think st

[dense bolt]

a myth capo is busted

[still matrix]

Capo does less dam, than that nightfall wep though?

[hidden bay]

yeah i meant in keys

[still matrix]

on hc

[hollow temple]

the Nightfall scenario quest didnt compelte for me

is there anythign im missing?

[red zinc]

did you sim it against 678 dagger yet

[dense bolt]

i think heroic capo gets beaten by nightfal

ngl

but solo is the man so

[gaunt phoenix]

mayb

[red zinc]

mfs be freaking out when they find a 0.3% unseen blade minmax

[late swallow]

run a mastery flask for the memes bro

full haste/mast

[hidden bay]

i pressed ks on the event boss and its casting for like 30 seconds

[gaunt phoenix]

remember hc and mythic track are getting ilvl boost soon

Champion doesnt

[dense bolt]

that true

[red zinc]

sim the oh against 684/5 (still dont know for sure) dagger

and see if its 2% on aoe

[hidden bay]

surely the community qqs enough that they make champ go higher too

[dawn talon]

nah

you can get hero gear from delves

and there's the like supercharged delve event thing

[craggy barn]

let champ go higher so my pvp gear stays relevent for longer

[dawn talon]

nobody in the universe couldp otentially be upset

about champ gear

[hollow temple]

I finished Nightfall event, progress bar at 100% but that Quest is not listed as finished. Is that a bug?

[craggy barn]

are u talking about the personal progress bar or the event bar

[hidden bay]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hollow temple]

because you aren't done yet prob

which progress bar hit 100%

the one at the top of your screen showing 100% doesn't mean the event is done

oh okay

yeah youre right mb

you gotta keep going til the big boss guy spawns i think

ok done now 😛 got the weapon

[dense marsh]

Overall in PSF 7+

Guess I need to recraft some pieces for crit/haste

[gaunt phoenix]

vers haste

[lusty sparrow]

Surely that new nightfall offhand doesnt beat EL CAPPOOOOOO offhand

[tulip quarry]

Playing Lock N Stalk ? ^^

[red zinc]

Wouldnt you just run capo mh

[gaunt phoenix]

if you have a mythic one sure

[dense marsh]

its my best trinket

[lusty sparrow]

I have 678 fist wep from cauldron

[tulip quarry]

So no XD MH Ilevel >>>>> all

[red zinc]

Just sim it against that then and if the diff on pure aoe is greater than 2% dont use it

[gaunt phoenix]

hmm if the weapon does 2.5-3.0% overall in keys then it will challenge even mythic capo

[tulip quarry]

I have currently 0.9% difference on the sims with it, though i am not sure it is well implemented yet

[red zinc]

its not implemented at all

Thats the thing

So it sims better than your weapon

[gaunt phoenix]

the proc is not implemented so it just sims like a generic haste vers weapon

[tulip quarry]

In between the nightfall and the capo HM

[red zinc]

solo is it possible to sim 685 weapons

or does raidbots not allow it without override

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[red zinc]

can someone check the diffy im curious

[gaunt phoenix]

what ilvl is heroic after the boost?

[strong cargo]

675

[gaunt phoenix]

ty

[red zinc]

No

672 or 671

[dense bolt]

2

[strong cargo]

Wait should be 671 ye

[red zinc]

I still dont know if two tiers is 6 or 7 sometimes

[gaunt phoenix]

you LIED to me

[red zinc]

Is it 685 or 684

[strong cargo]

probably 671 (2 ranks from 665)

[red zinc]

for myth 8/8

[hollow temple]

its supposed to be plus 6 ilvl i thought

idk where the confusion is coming from

[red zinc]

Its two upgrade tiers

Which is sometimes 3 sometimes 4

[red zinc]

its a pattern but i always forget

[vapid blaze]

wait are the nightfall weapons only veteran?

[hollow temple]

its 671 and 684

[gaunt phoenix]

Champion

[strong cargo]

champion,

[hollow temple]

this is confirmed timmy

[red zinc]

Okay

[gaunt phoenix]

you are so smart and handsome

[red zinc]

I never saw that infographic

[hollow temple]

pins

[vapid blaze]

oh sorry didnt realize

[hollow temple]

it is that cudgel

but champ track

the event drops veteran

but the vendor sells champ

[gaunt phoenix]

fcking mace needs weighstones

[hollow temple]

[frank finch]

which is fine can use same on crowd favorite

[tired rune]

damn they actually fixed bugs

might start playing again

well done team

[vivid vessel]

wtf

its so over

s3 again

@proven ocean

gear up your outlaw

we need to do triple outlaw keys again

its time

[tulip jewel]

why you gotta expose us like that

haha

[vivid vessel]

who is the third outlaw @tulip jewel

[tulip jewel]

you were busy xd

[vivid vessel]

who is it tho

[tulip jewel]

we just found a random russian outlaw loool

[vivid vessel]

bro i wanna do triple outlaw keys

[tulip jewel]

we were doing really well

SAME

[late swallow]

Triple outlaw double mace keys

[tulip jewel]

until tank did the double start of plague room

[late swallow]

Thoughts?

[tulip jewel]

pointlessly

[vivid vessel]

your mace sucks ! ! !

[frank finch]

triple outlaw double mace

holy

[hidden bay]

ok the weapon is op

[late swallow]

Zac make a really in depth outlaw video guide in french

[hidden bay]

but a lot of that op is the affix

probably

[zealous plinth]

Don’t do triple outlaw keys please
When blizz see it’s working we get a nerf xD

[frank finch]

i should do a double mace key

[red zinc]

Pretty negligible

[late swallow]

Double mace is crazy tech lowkey

[red zinc]

Its like .1%

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel u want to do triple outlaw keys later or

[late swallow]

You’ll see double mace outlaw in mdi btw

[proven ocean]

i dont mind if u want just let me know beforehand

i cant today tho

[hidden bay]

the weapon or the affix?

you proc couple mil dmg every time affix spawns its quite a bit

[vivid vessel]

ye lmao

idk

we coudl try

[frank finch]

triple outlaw , mw , prot war

[proven ocean]

i havent played outlaw

in over a year

[tulip jewel]

lets pump

lmaoooo

[hidden bay]

this weapon cracked man

[tulip jewel]

it's actually so chill tho dont have to do anything risky

[cinder relic]

Oh is that the new faction weapon?

From the vendor

[hidden bay]

yeah

[cinder relic]

Is it in sims or no

[frank finch]

no

whats happpeneing is vanish is resetting the proc

[hidden bay]

sims will probably undervalue it a lot

[cinder relic]

Haha

[hidden bay]

oh so hotfixed by monday

[frank finch]

it resets every time ur out of combat

[red zinc]

Its an outlaw only interaction

It has a chance

[cinder relic]

Only works in dungeons then

[hidden bay]

same thing ppl were saying about noggen

[cinder relic]

Cuz combat doesn't reset in boss encounters

[frank finch]

prolly

[hidden bay]

fun for a weekend tho still nice

[red zinc]

Yeah

id imagine so, havent verified

didnt see the effect

[late swallow]

Weapon swap on bosses ofc

[zealous plinth]

Wait what mace you talking about guys?

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel check dm's found few sin apl things that im working on rn

expecting maybe over 10% dps gains

[late swallow]

10% apl is crazy

[hollow temple]

its a pretty small gain

i doubt it gets fixed

[hollow temple]

pin

[late swallow]

If you improve on whisp’s APL by 10%

i’m sure he’d drink his own piss on stream

[hidden bay]

well i only did 1 key and it was priory

with very bad tanking

[zealous plinth]

Just checked ty though

[hidden bay]

idk how much % it does in normal circumstances

[hollow temple]

[tulip jewel]

uhm, idk if you can sign him up for that

[hollow temple]

it did like 2.6% for zac

[tulip jewel]

lmao

[sullen wyvern]

That nightfall weapon, is it only champion track?

[gaunt phoenix]

my rando key was 3.3%

[hollow temple]

ye

[hidden bay]

how much gain is OH ilvl from 658 to 678?

[sullen wyvern]

Imma try and get it and run some sims

I guess it sucks for ST

[hollow temple]

it isn't in sims

the effect isn't implemented

[sullen wyvern]

Aight thanks

[hollow temple]

iirc even without the effect it was -0.9% dps in sims

[zealous plinth]

You guys think it’s > hc knuckles?

[gaunt phoenix]

"it is uniquely strong on outlaw because ..." im feeling a sense of deja vu

[hollow temple]

so if the effect does 2-4%, its worth in aoe

[hidden bay]

outlaw this expansion been uniquely strong too many times

always due to bugs

or unintended interactions

[sullen wyvern]

Like the trickster swap to fatebound bug

[hidden bay]

at this point any new effect they introduce should go through some testing

[sullen wyvern]

I think it was an interaction with unseen blade

[hidden bay]

can outlaw use it? yes? can they abuse it?

[sullen wyvern]

Well, that should be the standard for anything that they implement

Ptr exists for a reason

They seem to forget to go through that step quite a lot

[hidden bay]

its annoying right

like we had bf bugs for a while

they decide to fix them

its fixed mega quickly

[sullen wyvern]

Yep

[late swallow]

[sullen wyvern]

It only took a post from guy and constant DDoS attacks for them to react

[frank finch]

lets be honest

its also because it was a huge bug

[red zinc]

The 4% number a lil too high we just suck at the game

prolly more like 2-3 if playing optimally

[frank finch]

no timmy

[red zinc]

Depending on target count and pull duration

[frank finch]

its 4% if u just dont swap weps on bosses

nothing about bad play

[radiant fiber]

so is ho better than kir?

[red zinc]

He linked a trash segment and it was 2.6%

[frank finch]

gg

[red zinc]

like im including myself in this too we just arent playing optimally

its still better

[sullen wyvern]

HO vs KiR, imo, is a matter of preference, both perform really ckose, HO apparently being slightly ahead

[red zinc]

But not that insane when playing ideal

[hollow temple]

why stack tho

[sullen wyvern]

And HO being much easier to play

[red zinc]

Looking more at a 1-1.5% on aoe

decreasing in 2 weeks

but still better by a small margin

prolly not worth the hassle weapon swapping at that moment though

[charred crescent]

Is the wowhead HO trickster build a good enough one for a newcomer to outlaw?

[sullen wyvern]

Is it the same as the one we have in FAQ?

[gaunt phoenix]

@vivid vessel can you weapon swap between capo/nightfall in keys? i thought there was some shit with unique weapons where it didnt work

[vivid vessel]

i dont have capo

[gaunt phoenix]

?!

noob

[cold jewel]

we had a capo drop in both of our mugzee kills so far

just get it to drop?

[proven ocean]

where

does

the wep drop from

?

[hollow temple]

event

pins noob

!

[proven ocean]

ah

nightfall

[hollow temple]

do the event and loot the satchel at the end

[proven ocean]

where is that event anyway

[hollow temple]

and buy theweapon from vendor

[proven ocean]

never did it

[gaunt phoenix]

You have to do a weekly quest to complete the Nightfall event and the quest gives you a token to buy it

[hollow temple]

hallowfall

on the very left

almost at cliffs

[zealous plinth]

Anyone tried out weapon swapping?

[hollow temple]

mhm

[zealous plinth]

Would we equip it before every vanish?

[hollow temple]

no

you just swap to regular weapon for bosses

[cold jewel]

imagine

[hollow temple]

swapping eats a GCD and resets all your melee icd shit iirc

[zealous plinth]

Ah I didn’t know that

[arctic hollow]

+11 Priory, mid+ level outlaw, 670 ilevel, swaped to my 675 dagger offhand for bosses

[vivid vessel]

also ye idk its weapon specific

[arctic hollow]

also used Shadowmeld to trigger the out of combat for the weapon

[vapid blaze]

is there a way to macro the weapon swap?

[gaunt phoenix]

Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel

Update <t:1746664500:R> -- item is added to SimC

This 658 offhand from the Nightfall event is suspected to be BiS in keys though only by a percent or two.

To get it, you need to do the weekly quest The Flame Burns Eternal which gives you a token to buy the item after the Nightfall event. You just wait for the event then fly around and kill shit for 10 min.

The weapon is uniquely strong on Outlaw because we can Vanish to reset the proc, and we Vanish every 17 seconds or so. The proc does not reset on bosses.

The proc does 2-3% of your overall, depending on pulls so it will probably be ahead of any other possible offhand in keys.

The proc is implemented in sims if you use Latest mode, though the Vanish interaction only works in DungeonSlice or DungeonRoute. So you can at least model the effect it has overall.

If you really wanted to, you can also swap to a different offhand for bosses and swap back to the Cudgel for trash.

This macro will swap weapons (change the name)

#showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Capo's Molten Knuckles

[hollow temple]

[hasty pasture]

Solo really do be out here carrying the entire Outlaw community on his back

[viscid perch]

so funny it does this much dmg bec of vanish

[hasty pasture]

He leaves and the TC becomes garbage and then he shows up again and cooks up 18% in optimizations

[vapid blaze]

this works
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel

[arctic hollow]

also if you do
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Nightfall [Your solo ratget offhand]
it wil swap correctly

[cold jewel]

ratget

[arctic hollow]

🐀

[novel socket]

that doesn't say unique equipment

does that mean you can use two ?

[cold jewel]

capo's is unique-equip

[novel socket]

yes

[cold jewel]

o nvm thats not what ur asking

nvm me

[gaunt phoenix]

yes but you dont want a 658 main hand

[arctic hollow]

yes, but +20ilevel is too good

[gaunt phoenix]

Also its weekly so you cant get another one for a bit

[cold jewel]

main hand dps is too important

[red zinc]

When I simmed it earlier it was somehow close

But probably bad sim

[latent oak]

mine was also not too far off

[red zinc]

double weapon for pc crashing purposes

[vapid blaze]

does that one swap back with same button

[arctic hollow]

Yep

[red zinc]

Does it reproc?

[arctic hollow]

The equiped weapon is ignored since already equiped and it takes a gcd so it wont double swap

[red zinc]

Ok cant swap mid combat then thank god

[vapid blaze]

now i will just need a wa to remind me to swap xD

[red zinc]

was about to think there was some reproccing degeneracy since it wasnt on gcd

[latent oak]

scroll wheel weapon swap would go hard

[arctic hollow]

free sroll wheel and the game dies

[hollow temple]

how do you get double weapon if its weekly atm?

[red zinc]

because this was out last week already

[cinder relic]

Last week exists

[red zinc]

nobody cared

[arctic hollow]

Should look like
#showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Everforged Stabber

[hollow temple]

oops

ye it looked boring so idc xD

[arctic hollow]

used mine for transmog

[cinder relic]

U can also do it on alts can't you

[red zinc]

black tested that it works though

unironically

For some people in here (including me) double weapon is probably better on aoe

if you dont play optimally

[hollow temple]

yes bhut you cant buy the weapon and send to yourself

[hollow temple]

yes but the token is soulbound

maybe the item from vendor is BoA?

[red zinc]

Common logic would say it gets fixed but idk how they’d fix it

Guess they might add a debuff per mob

But seems like a lot of work

[hollow temple]

they will fix it in a way that it doesnt reproc if it already was applied once

[arctic hollow]

internal timer sounds simple hard as hell never mind, it's per target

[gaunt phoenix]

Highly doubt they fix it

Bc its not 8% dmg

its just kazzak neck all over again

[red zinc]

It is if you play poorly enough

kappa

[hollow temple]

its a small gain yeh

[cold jewel]

solo pls dont post cringe here ty

[latent oak]

this is dslice

[gaunt phoenix]

no !

[cold jewel]

):

[latent oak]

of crafted mh and 678 dagger

[red zinc]

Yeah i had the same

Sim pure aoe though

[somber ridge]

what is outlaw single target like when talented for m+?

[red zinc]

Dslice isnt super interesting for this

[somber ridge]

like do you lose 20%+ like all those other classes or nah

[red zinc]

Nah

[arctic hollow]

neither the token nor the weapon are Bound to Warband

[hollow temple]

fake

xD

[latent oak]

8t 1.5mins

[gaunt phoenix]

The red dot is low precision btw

[latent oak]

ya ik

dont know how to get around that

[gaunt phoenix]

You cant

[latent oak]

do u just sim by itself and then raw dog compare

[gaunt phoenix]

can technically recreate the combinations in advanced sim

[red zinc]

Like this doesnt look real

idk

[gaunt phoenix]

what's not real

[latent oak]

im also losing embellishment doing that

[red zinc]

that this would lead you to believe that double nightfall mace is bis on aoe

[still matrix]

if we're sending cudgel for aoe.. can i put depths on my capo for st i guess?

[red zinc]

mainhand value seems way too low in sim

[gaunt phoenix]

It's not

[red zinc]

i know it isnt

thats why im confused

No shot 17 ilvls on mh is only 1.3% on aoe

[gaunt phoenix]

its not

that combination is offhand

[red zinc]

1.4% sorry

[viscid perch]

Btw the effect on the mace is uncapped?

[red zinc]

I meant difference between combo 2 and 4

[latent oak]

2.5% is the mainhand diffy

[gaunt phoenix]

675 -> 658 mainhand is somewhere between 2.5-3%

So yes you could argue another one barely wins on trash

[red zinc]

nah but why is difference between combo 2 and 4 only 1.4% then

[gaunt phoenix]

It's low precision

low precision is 1% error margin

[red zinc]

kk

Yeah i mean then it doesnt

not enough thats its worth to look at anyway

[gaunt phoenix]

yea

[frank finch]

lol

10 ml

dual wield

[red zinc]

saw the purple efl and thought you had mastery gems for a second

But its a drop down menu icon

[gaunt phoenix]

it's a generic split proc

[red zinc]

[gaunt phoenix]

like geargrinder

[viscid perch]

Ty

[gaunt phoenix]

but it procs on every mob

if you hit it with BF at least

so on megafuck pulls you kind have to move so you actually tag every mob

[frank finch]

i need a macro i was swapping mh maunally

[sullen wyvern]

Is there a macro we can use to swap weapons back and forth in a key?

can I do that in combat>

[gaunt phoenix]

#showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Everforged Stabber

change the name ofc

Not in combat

[vapid blaze]

play both or what xD
cant sim it properly right?

[frank finch]

ty king

[sullen wyvern]

Thanks fam

is it actually that good in aoe?

compared to a 678

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[sullen wyvern]

Cant wait for the simms, it's a lot of ilvl loss

[hollow temple]

play 1 in OH only

[sullen wyvern]

cant wait for blizzard to nerf the shit out of it too

[hollow temple]

unless your MH is dogshit ilvl or something

[sullen wyvern]

Do I have to target swap for the effect or does BF include the physical attack portion of the weapon effect?

[gaunt phoenix]

BF does it

[sullen wyvern]

what about on +8 target count

[latent oak]

move around

[gaunt phoenix]

just move around a bit

[latent oak]

and ur bf will hit different mobs

[sullen wyvern]

aight

[gaunt phoenix]

BF hits the closest mobs

[sullen wyvern]

Thanks fams

[latent oak]

solo how much of dslice sim is above 8t

[gaunt phoenix]

idk

[sullen wyvern]

Now it's a matter of remembering to do weapon swap

[latent oak]

is it not simple

fair enough

[sullen wyvern]

I wonder if vanish resetting the weapons effect is intended

or just a bug

I guess shadowmeld would do the same

[gaunt phoenix]

also it resets instantly on vanish

you dont have to like

vanish and wait 0.1 seconds

in case someone is wondering

[frank finch]

what item slot number is mh

[vapid blaze]

you need to weapon swap for that
or just vanish and it resets the hit xD

[gaunt phoenix]

you just vanish

[gaunt phoenix]

idk try 16

[frank finch]

yea that it ty

[vapid blaze]

they prob fix the vansih thing then 😄

[hollow temple]

its likely too small for them to care

this isn't a big gain at all

[late swallow]

Literally me

[fluid meadow]

this is just a gift to us

[tribal olive]

Glad to see Solo is a person of culture

[late swallow]

How do we know this is solo’s character?

[sullen wyvern]

Katana in a goblin looks devious

[vapid blaze]

when do we use on use trinkets (signet/hoc)?

[gaunt phoenix]

[sullen wyvern]

what is HoC?

Also I dont think we use signet at all?

at least it doesnt sim too good for me

[surreal flower]

house of cards

[sullen wyvern]

ah, ok. I havent got that trinket drop for me at all ever

[gaunt phoenix]

you just press em

outlaw doesnt have cds

[vapid blaze]

no waiting for good rolls (on kir?

[sullen wyvern]

I personally like pacemaker but maybe there's some better trinket for me

[fallen knot]

never

[gaunt phoenix]

not worth losing trinket casts

[vapid blaze]

alright ty

[sullen wyvern]

But everytime I run a sim, pacemaker is still there

[fallen knot]

everything on cd always

basically

outlaw doesnt have cds

[fossil quail]

is there anything i can link my friend who doesnt believe that not chain pulling is a dps loss in m+ with an outlaw in the group?
(considering proper chain pulls and not pulling when a pack dies within the next two golabls)

[vapid blaze]

i got a mythic signet vs heroic eye (and that one is unplayable in some keys) xD

[fallen knot]

it's just "enhancements" to do more damage

[fallen knot]

zac's stream

when he plays a key

that involves chainpulling

[fossil quail]

do you happen to know a video/clip where he mentions it?

[fallen knot]

no i mean

[latent oak]

he no voice gamer

[sullen wyvern]

Tanks don't play around outlaw usually

it is what it is

[fallen knot]

well if you have an uhdk

you probably should not chainpull

[sullen wyvern]

At least ask your tank that if he is gonna chain pull to do it when current pack is at 20% ish health and not dying at 5%

its a waste

[fallen knot]

just make the pull big

[gaunt phoenix]

doesnt believe that not chainpulling is a dps loss

I cant parse what this means

[pliant wave]

Hey guys, when Murrpray floats up past 50% and I use Killing Spree, he seems to stop using his abilities — is it just me experiencing this?

[fallen knot]

he believes that chainpulling is a dps gain?

actually solo you stunlocked me aswell

[gaunt phoenix]

Are we supposed to be chainpulling

We dont really care

[sullen wyvern]

I think chainpull for outlaw is ok if we have at least vanish available

I've found that not having vanish for a chainpull is fucking horrible and tends to drop your AR if you are low rolling

[untold yarrow]

who found the BF bug

[vivid vessel]

i love chain pulling

[pliant wave]

Hey guys, when Murrpray floats up past 50% HP and I follow him up with Killing Spree, he stops casting abilities — is anyone else getting this, or is it just me?

[tulip jewel]

in game or?

[vivid vessel]

it has been a thing forever that we were tinfoiling it

but

[sullen wyvern]

who that

[untold yarrow]

who proved it

[vivid vessel]

me

[fallen knot]

only when you do it tho right

[untold yarrow]

😮

[sullen wyvern]

do you though

[vivid vessel]

i went on a rampage after doing 5 mil dps first pull brew

[untold yarrow]

did u get any rio today

[vivid vessel]

with full buffs

[frank finch]

vurai first brought it up in df and zac proved it years latere

[vivid vessel]

i got a bit of rio

[untold yarrow]

[pliant wave]

Priory of the Sacred Flame last boss

[untold yarrow]

tank dps

[vivid vessel]

nvm

[untold yarrow]

classic

[vivid vessel]

got 2

[untold yarrow]

2 keyS?

or 2 score

[vivid vessel]

2 score

[untold yarrow]

💀

[vivid vessel]

💀

[tulip jewel]

massive

[untold yarrow]

bruh

[sullen wyvern]

as in you KS right whhen she goes up to intermission and that bugs her?

[untold yarrow]

ah

it was from a 17?

[sullen wyvern]

Gotta try that out

[untold yarrow]

from timer i guess

[pliant wave]

Yeah, it seems to only happen under that condition. Would be great if more people could help test it.

[sullen wyvern]

I'll try that for sure

but apparently game is being DDoS right now

you know, your weekly DDoS

[pliant wave]

The adds don't spawn either.

[untold yarrow]

wait

@sullen wyvern

is this why im getting random dc

and have to relog

[zealous plinth]

Wait rlly?

[untold yarrow]

i legit

reproted this bug

here

like 4 weeks ago

[pliant wave]

Right, she didn't even use her AoE skills.

[untold yarrow]

nobody believed me

[red zinc]

Aw hell naw

[gaunt phoenix]

Murrpray sounds like a pokemon

[untold yarrow]

it skips her shield too?

no?

[zealous plinth]

When I use KS when he‘s porting I just get back to where I started KS

[red zinc]

stop finding exploits guys

[sullen wyvern]

Idk, friend told me he is doing a PSF 13 carry and everyone is lagging out and cant get back into the game

SO yeah

[untold yarrow]

cant believe blizard is adding 1 button macro

[pliant wave]

She still had her shield, but it was like she turned dumb and stopped using her abilities properly.

[untold yarrow]

legit out of season april fools

[untold yarrow]

and shew alks around right

walks

[sullen wyvern]

Asmon made a good point regarding the 1 button rotation helper thing

[untold yarrow]

100%

[sullen wyvern]

I usually dismiss asmon when it comes to wow, but he made a good point there

[fallen knot]

wait

[civic zephyr]

Wtf am I reading

[untold yarrow]

cant believe dratnos and max actually went on that shit

to support it

like

[civic zephyr]

This is getting too outlaw for me

[untold yarrow]

what a joke

[sullen wyvern]

^

yeah

[civic zephyr]

Bre

[untold yarrow]

2 "top end" players

supporting this dogshit

[civic zephyr]

If you think any relevant content

[pliant wave]

Yeah, the fight ended way too easily, but I'm not 100% sure if this is the exact trigger. It’d be great if everyone could help test it together

[civic zephyr]

Is being done

[gaunt phoenix]

[civic zephyr]

With any of this

[untold yarrow]

make game less complex and so it doesnt require 5000 addons

to do high end content

and maybe we dont need 1 button rotations

fucking joke

these people are so out of touch

[sullen wyvern]

I will and make sure to tag you once the game stops getting DDoSed

[civic zephyr]

You guys are smoking

So much

You should consider stopping

[untold yarrow]

???

[civic zephyr]

Holyyyy

[untold yarrow]

???

bro what

[fallen knot]

pretty sure asmongold is just cooked and this 1button thing is targeted at not people from this discord

[civic zephyr]

If you think the one button rotation is there to solve complexity

[untold yarrow]

???

[vapid blaze]

hes cooked.

[sullen wyvern]

i dont think no one is making that argument here

[untold yarrow]

its a bad step

in a bad direction

just like shop was

[sullen wyvern]

Pretty sure everyone here thinks the 1 button thing is gonna be dogshit and counter productive for the game

[untold yarrow]

and mounts

but w/e

[fallen knot]

game is complext enough

[arctic hollow]

Maybe it will be the last strw and they will finally fix KS, who knows

[red zinc]

Reading the wrong bait in #outlaw

[civic zephyr]

I can’t believe ur in a class discord which is there to discuss utter minmaxes and theorycrafting and you even THINK about the auto rotation

[untold yarrow]

no

its bad for the game

[sullen wyvern]

are you ragebaiting

[hollow temple]

no one doing any type of high end content is going to be using the 1 button shit. chill out man

[fallen knot]

also

[untold yarrow]

yeah i know

[civic zephyr]

Are you realizing ur the minority by caring about it idk

[untold yarrow]

but i mean people dont get into higher end content because barrier to entry is too high

[civic zephyr]

If anyone is ragebaiting

It’s you

[hollow temple]

its an accessibility feature with an increased GCD

[sullen wyvern]

imnagine losing 0.2s GCD as outlaw, I almost puked my self

[untold yarrow]

i mean

[fallen knot]

a loooooooooooooooooooooooot of people dont minmax or do highend content

[gaunt phoenix]

it's 0.3s

[fallen knot]

and again, it's not for you

[untold yarrow]

if autorotation does 70 parses

[sullen wyvern]

even worse

[untold yarrow]

consistently

that's like

[civic zephyr]

It doesn’t

[hollow temple]

it won't

[untold yarrow]

lets see

[civic zephyr]

Did you check ANY of the autorotation sims

[sullen wyvern]

yeah there's no way in hell

[hollow temple]

it'll do like 5 parses in LFR

[gaunt phoenix]

that's 30% dps right there

[civic zephyr]

It’s crazy

[fallen knot]

why be bothered by something that is for someone else it's like being bothered by a person 5km away from you doing his thing

[sullen wyvern]

its almost as if you didnt have AR up

[civic zephyr]

And those are even more optimized than it really is ingame

[hollow temple]

.....oh wait

[untold yarrow]

nah unironically defending this

is actual biggest L take

i've ever seen here

and i've seen a lot

lmfao

[fallen knot]

why do you care

[civic zephyr]

Bro there’s people with disabilities

That do lfr

[hollow temple]

you're lost man

[red zinc]

Theres a difference between defending it and not caring

[civic zephyr]

Let them play the game

[pliant wave]

Anyone else down to help test the KS bug on the last boss of Priory of the Sacred Flame?

[civic zephyr]

Who fucking cares

[untold yarrow]

yes

[arctic hollow]

Laugh in LGBT

[red zinc]

We just dont care ur pressed over shit that doesnt matter

[civic zephyr]

This

[untold yarrow]

people that want an easy rotation play BM hunter

[civic zephyr]

It couldn’t matter less

Nah bro

Ur cooked

[red zinc]

its interesting to talk about the apl side of it

But thats about it

[fallen knot]

and again

[civic zephyr]

Some disabled dude is playing rogue because it’s his favorite class and is doing lfr for the story of the raid using autorotation

And ur mad about it

Fucking crazy

[untold yarrow]

ok pick the most extreme example

good job

[civic zephyr]

It’s not extreme

[fallen knot]

it's even good that dratons and max are not playing the gatekeeper elitist part in this

[civic zephyr]

Ur just close minded

[fallen knot]

but promoting the game

[untold yarrow]

its legit the most extreme example

[fallen knot]

for

everyone

[civic zephyr]

No it’s not brother hahahahahaha

You can’t see past 2meters is the issues

[sullen wyvern]

or assa rogue

[untold yarrow]

i would even agree with you if this was done purely for accessibility reasons

[civic zephyr]

Issue*

[red zinc]

No the most extreme example would be them not adding it because it got some basement dwellers panties in a twist

[untold yarrow]

which it wasnt

[red zinc]

[fallen knot]

explain then

to me

[civic zephyr]

My brother in Christ seek help

[fallen knot]

hekili

[untold yarrow]

mfw

[civic zephyr]

What does it do to the game

[fallen knot]

people doing consistent 90s

with hekili

[civic zephyr]

How does it destroy it

XD

[fallen knot]

and with 1 eye

because the other is used to watch netflix

[arctic hollow]

Being mad at accessibility feature is wild. Imagine being mad at handicaped parking spot.

Oh wait

[sullen wyvern]

They are just catering to the vast majority population of the game with that 1 rotation button thing: extremely casual players

Just don't use it

[cinder relic]

What do you mean by this?

[fallen knot]

yea i've asked myself that aswell

[untold yarrow]

it was NOT introduced as an accesibility feature, accesibility was one of the reasons they mentioned, but they never said this is a pure accessibility feature

[sullen wyvern]

I really doubt its gonna be a dps gain for most, specially in certain specs

[untold yarrow]

accessibility is goated but this aint it

[arctic hollow]

I mean that people are mad at us for doing things that has nothing to do with them and will never effect them

[cinder relic]

I don't understand how this shit is even a topic. Nobody in this discord is using this feature, how can you possibly give a fuck

[untold yarrow]

this is basically auto play

[civic zephyr]

Brother it’s there to payphone questing and stories and whatnot

Omg it’s autopsy

Autoplay*

[untold yarrow]

BDO autoplay next

[civic zephyr]

Omg omg omg

[untold yarrow]

kekw

[civic zephyr]

People are not gonna press 10 buttons while questing

[untold yarrow]

why not, it improves accessibility, no?

[civic zephyr]

Game is dead

XD

[shell fossil]

[fallen knot]

t bh

t

b

h

[sullen wyvern]

shit is dead before I even press 3 buttons

[fallen knot]

i will fucking use autobutton for questing

[red zinc]

Its just like handicap parking spaces actually

People upset they cant use it just like this guy seems to be upset that people will be able to play at a certain level without putting in too much effort

[sullen wyvern]

I can see BM hunters and frost mages using that and maybe not losing DPS

[red zinc]

Insecurity thing?

[civic zephyr]

My man, timewalking too

[red zinc]

who knows

[fallen knot]

yes

[civic zephyr]

CANT wait to watch some shit on the side monitor while my alt is running through timewalking

[fallen knot]

legit

yes

[shell fossil]

rep grind button

i mean...sdtonks

[fallen knot]

aoe farm button if you're into those aswell

so op

[sullen wyvern]

Doesn't hekili do kinda the same? I've honestly never seen that addon before

[red zinc]

It does but hekili doesnt have one button

Afaik

[civic zephyr]

The worst part is bro is mad about a major damage loss when there’s people scripting for absolutely real with no dps loss

[untold yarrow]

hekkili just shows u what button to press

[sullen wyvern]

so what does hekili do? light up the buttons you need to press?

[untold yarrow]

which is the other version of the rotation helper

shows u like a WA

except its liek the button you hit next

[sullen wyvern]

they probably should just leave that feature and leave the 1 rotation button thing

[fallen knot]

no

dont take it away from me and my quests

[sullen wyvern]

if they wanna have their own hekili version

[fallen knot]

and my timewalking

[civic zephyr]

I can’t believe max is supporting this feature that is not affecting me or anyone else that plays the game for competitive reasons

[quiet root]

there is already an addon called GSE that lets you do 1-button rotations, which apparently works pretty well for some specs (e.g. ret)

[civic zephyr]

Actual most cooked take I’ve read in a while

[civic zephyr]

Theres a lot of them

[red zinc]

its not so much about making hekili, they want to get in more casuals

[sullen wyvern]

cant wait for some mf making an addon with the 1 button rotation thing without the GCD penalty and then blizzard having to backtrack from it

[red zinc]

One button helps them do that

[red zinc]

Wont happen either

[civic zephyr]

And my guess is they want to eliminate that by eliminating things addons are allowed to do

[fallen knot]

also

[civic zephyr]

Because there’s a lot of that going on

[fallen knot]

have you thought like

people just questing and doing rp shit

[red zinc]

the gcd penalty isnt so it isn’t “competitive”, because neither of these options will be close to optimal

[fallen knot]

that cant fathom putting every spell in their bar

and bind

maybe that is for them aswell?=

[dawn talon]

idk just disable it in instanced content you can't queue for (except delves*) to try and onboard those people to actually playing the game once they're venturing out of lfr/heroic dungeons

[arctic hollow]

yeah, they started with private auras, i wouldnt be surprised if a lot of automation died in the next few years

[red zinc]

Its just so some people eventually decide like “okay I know what my buttons are now, I want to do some more damage, ill swap off the one button rotation”

If the penalty wasnt there they’d never decide to do that

[dawn talon]

yep

i think it's a clunky way to do it

[shell fossil]

they're probably gonna go after plater at some point

which is kinda cool

[dawn talon]

i hope not

[red zinc]

they arent going after it

[sullen wyvern]

I think if you wanna know what your buttons are, the 1 button rotation feature is probably the worst approach you can use. Just use the other one that tells you what to press and develop muscle memory on the way

[red zinc]

Theyll just improve base plates

[frail veldt]

nah prob not

[fallen knot]

but

you're thinking

from a competitive perspective

[red zinc]

The only thing they’re “going after” is DBM / WA “mechanic solving”

[civic zephyr]

Theres people like this playing the game, and that’s a healer and you are worried about a auto rotation with a major loss

[frail veldt]

if you watch the interview Ion seems pretty clear that they dont want to try to "go to war" with the addons cuz they know they will lose that war

[fallen knot]

there's people that dont care about maximizing

[frail veldt]

instead htey want to design the game such that addons dont have as much value

[dawn talon]

a lot of bossmod stuff and certain was are really 'cheaty' but things like plater are 10000% accessibility addons

[frail veldt]

by properly telegraphing and communicating information baseline

tbh I think he was pretty transparent about what they want to do

[dawn talon]

i 100% could not play the game with textured nameplates, having them be flat colours with un-outlined text

[frail veldt]

he literally referenced the "private aura" thing with raid and how they lost that battle

[dawn talon]

is the only way i can see bc im visually impaired

[red zinc]

I HOPE they do stuff with their plates (like add a bunch more customizability that plater can also use)

[untold yarrow]

yeah and this is good, default UI is horrible

[sullen wyvern]

specially when in game built nameplates are dogshit

[dawn talon]

there is literally no way they would ever go after that

[frail veldt]

its not even necessarily about the default UI either

[red zinc]

Like resizing specific plates and preventing tab targeting to certain targets

[untold yarrow]

can they go after elvui

please make elvui but non dogshit

[frail veldt]

instead of having to color code nameplates to know which mobs to kick

[untold yarrow]

perf wise

[frail veldt]

they want to make the "scary casts" obvious

[red zinc]

if you are worried about performance theres a trillion ways to have better ui without elvui

[sullen wyvern]

Imagine using ELVUI

[red zinc]

not that much work either

[frail veldt]

they understand the large jump between trying to play the game well without addons vs finally just accepting it and getting addons

and they want to shrink that gap

[untold yarrow]

yeah i just take the 30 fps hit with elvui

[frail veldt]

so you can achieve high level gameplay without needing heavy addon support

because right now you literally cant

[untold yarrow]

not having full 244 fps everywhere because of elvui 😦 so sad

[frail veldt]

just dont use elvui

what does it even have to offer...

[red zinc]

You like complaining even more than me

Bit impressive but stfu please

[untold yarrow]

[frail veldt]

elvui in 2025 is like using shadowed unit frames xperl lol

or xperl

haha

[untold yarrow]

xperl

💀

dont remind me

[red zinc]

SUF my beloved

[untold yarrow]

please

[frail veldt]

thats what an elvui user sounds like to me

someone genuinely still on xperl

[covert kestrel]

Suf is the goat

[frail veldt]

yeah I take back suf

[untold yarrow]

nah elvui is good because it makes everything nice and uniform

you dont need 5 addons

to do what elvui does

[red zinc]

i just use suf and cell rn

[untold yarrow]

the chat boxes, the minimap, the styling of menus

plus bars

[arctic hollow]

It's nic eto have everything packaged in one neat addon, but man, does it feel good to get rid of it in the end

[untold yarrow]

and groups etc

[frail veldt]

but its not

you still need other addons

elvui is just a ui skin

that lowers your framerate

it offers minimal functionality these days

[untold yarrow]

yeah but its about the reskin

which is nice

i've used elvui since Cata

[frail veldt]

what are you genuinely using elvui for

[untold yarrow]

skin

[frail veldt]

yeah most people use it "cuz theyve always used it"

even though it literally has no value anymore haha

[arctic hollow]

I agree, but when i was a newbie with no WA, having bartender, plater, minimap, and general ui all i none was amazing

[untold yarrow]

nah i like how i have shit set up in it

[frail veldt]

yeah but thats what curseforge is for

[untold yarrow]

easy to see my HP, easy to see group, easy to edit settins and move shit about, chat is nice and spread out, shows shit you're using/ dura etc

minimap

[frail veldt]

yeah the switchover is a pain

[shell fossil]

imagine if they tried to replace voodoo or healbot or something

[untold yarrow]

all panels

[shell fossil]

impassable

[frail veldt]

wdym

[untold yarrow]

vooduhj

my beloved

[frail veldt]

thought you can pretty much do all of what you do in voodoo or healbot with just macros

or you talking about the visual part

what couldnt they replace?

[shell fossil]

oh its spelled vuhdo shows wut i know

[rotund zodiac]

How do you swap weapon mid key?

[untold yarrow]

vooduh or sumthing idk

[frail veldt]

you can only swap non cantrip weapons

[untold yarrow]

its the wrong spelling lol

[frail veldt]

afaik

[arctic hollow]

it works with the new one though

[hollow temple]

nop

[frail veldt]

thats how it was in df

any on use weapon couldnt be swapped

[untold yarrow]

idk

elvui is legit just goated

[shell fossil]

also they could increase gcd penalty the more people use it in a party

[hollow temple]

you just equip your regular offhand before pulling bosses, back to the new offhand for trash

[red zinc]

yeah thats how its supposed to be

but i dont think its an automatic flag, doing that shit manually probably

and since this is a world content weapon they didnt bother

[frail veldt]

yeah must be weapon specific ig

They usually flag all the on use weapons though for sure

maybe not all th eproc ones though

[hollow temple]

#showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Everforged Stabber

can also use a macro to do it

[shell fossil]

just griefing idk n_n

[sullen narwhal]

Did quite a bit better with ho, it's just easier to use properly

[rotund zodiac]

New fact for me, I always thought that you can’t swap gears mid key

ty lol

[hollow temple]

only weapons

[rotund zodiac]

ooo

[hollow temple]

it also costs a GCD so do it between the pulls

like said before

normal offhand for bosses

nightfall mace for trash

[rotund zodiac]

Ty king

Imma start doing it next week since I already spent my token to a dumb head mog on day 1

[fathom bramble]

I guess they forgot to flag this one

[frail veldt]

oh yeah we have dinars already?

I havent even done the raid yet this week lol

[rotund zodiac]

no no, I mean the token from new event

[frail veldt]

oh is there new sick loot I dont know about?

a new bis offhand?

[hollow temple]

ya

its pinned

[arctic hollow]

13th of May

[frail veldt]

oooh shit

gotta do that tonight

[shell fossil]

mouseover ss/ambush/dispatch also helped a lot with having to run out of circles on a 12 cinder

[arctic hollow]

let me get used to mouseover kick, kidney shot and Pocket Sand first

[shell fossil]

that flavor goblin is in a puddle of die rn

[glass timber]

!trinketmacro

[ornate heath]

Why don't we macro trinkets to abilities?

• You want to use trinkets while BtE is active, but you can't macro them to BtE, as breaking vanish with a trinket will cause Subterfuge to not activate, so Vanish > BtE macro could fail.
• Trinkets are your only on demand burst damage, you sometimes want to hold it for specific mobs or vulnerability windows.
• You usually don't want to send it on a dying mob.

[slate plaza]

rogue showed up in MID

i called it

[glass timber]

how can i upload a log for someone to look at?^^

[untold yarrow]

type !log

or !logreview

[glass timber]

!log

[untold yarrow]

i cant remember

[untold yarrow]

wrong spec xdd

[glass timber]

log did it, thanks :p

[tender wedge]

i think with the new format using assass/outlaw was always going to be a likely thing to see

[untold yarrow]

whats the new format?

[paper geyser]

Using 2 everforged in MH and OH anyway to make the macro stop switching the nightfall mace to the MH?

[tender wedge]

you can only use each spec a certain number of times

before it gets banned

[untold yarrow]

oh

[tender wedge]

so you can't just full send meta comp all weekend

[upbeat tundra]

bro what the fuck is this man

[chilly atlas]

a strong proc offhand weapon?

[tender wedge]

just outlaw things

it's noggenfogger pirate 2.0

[lean grove]

Is there a way to only increase the volume of the Ace Proc sound ?

[tight kernel]

Wait am I big noob?? I thought u couldn’t swap gear in key

[sullen wyvern]

yeah me too, although I know that you could've swapped weapons before back in LK (pvp)

[hollow temple]

[upbeat tundra]

i mean i can give you a weakaura that changes it to the csgo awp sound

[tight kernel]

Yeah I do recall rogues swapping for poisons back in the day but I thought all that was gone in keys now unless u walk out

[hollow temple]

i remember weapon swapping tech in m+ as recently as SL

[neat elbow]

anyone know what the icon for coup is called in weakauras when you search through the manual icon area?

[sullen wyvern]

I honestly think it will get nerfed

[lean grove]

i have that weakaura, but i like the normal sound

[sullen wyvern]

I dont think vanish resetting the effect is intended

[untold yarrow]

anyone getting DCs

another DC

then my healer got a DC

lol

[sullen wyvern]

yeah man, I told you game is getting DDoSed

[untold yarrow]

eu servers?

[lean grove]

bladeflurry is just so loud

[hollow temple]

might not be intended, but its not exactly a bug either

again, highly doubt it will get changed

[sullen wyvern]

idk bro, I think it will

it benefits outlaw

[hollow temple]

this isn't even 5% dps

its like 1-2%

[fossil axle]

Heya, just checking in, where does outlaw fall in comparison to sin after the blade flurry fix?

[sullen wyvern]

are simms for this weapon available yetr?

yet*

[hollow temple]

no

[sullen wyvern]

sin still better

[untold yarrow]

are people ddosing because of mdi

[fossil axle]

tyty

[sullen wyvern]

[hollow temple]

outlaw is almost equal

but community perception doesn't know that yet

[sullen wyvern]

idk, even wox says sin is better

zac maybe even

but both can pretty much do the same

most of the time is a matter of performance

[hollow temple]

because outlaw has KS

[sullen wyvern]

yeah kinda