outlaw

[proven ocean]

[desert tendon]

[frail veldt]

He's just mad that his completely subpar gameplay but heavy hours of farming is no longer rewarded like it used to be

[desert tendon]

amaze me that bis assa is simming 2.4m btw

[proven ocean]

Max probably wanted to laugh so hard at ion and flame the shit out of him

[frail veldt]

Nah prob not tbh

The rotation assist makes total sense

[desert tendon]

there are no reason to, we re not the target audience

[frail veldt]

Anyone who's objective about the game

Knows that complexity is an insane barrier

[proven ocean]

He literally does it to every dumb idea

[desert tendon]

like anyone on any class discord is not the target of this ig hekili and one button

[frail veldt]

And the game will improve with that barrier being reduced

[proven ocean]

-60% does not look like something a player should try

[desert tendon]

zeross

it s for people that farm mounts and pet battle

[proven ocean]

Let alone a thats -60% being played perfectly

[pearl topaz]

amazing outlaw plays in the MDI this year, wow

[desert tendon]

it s probably more like -5% to them

with better accessibility to the game

[proven ocean]

True

[pearl topaz]

Its also a good way to absorb an alt without having to fucking check a guide

[frail veldt]

Degen players not realizing that "casuals" doesn't mean only playing 10 hours a week but more like playing 1 or 2

[desert tendon]

it s very fine imo, good for some players

[pearl topaz]

i know it takes 10 mins to do that but lol

[proven ocean]

Hekili is also bad anyway

Even tho it was ok to some degree

But

[pearl topaz]

if it means more plays in World of Warcraft then it sounds good to me

[desert tendon]

people dont realise that most of wow players arent in class discord, dont read any guide, and just vibe with their favorite spec (ret) doing hyper casual content

[pearl topaz]

players8

[desert tendon]

[proven ocean]

It was bad for outlaw

It was good 90% tho

Like

[desert tendon]

they all feelcrafters god

[proven ocean]

U can get a 90+ log with hekili on outlaw

Which isnt bad

[desert tendon]

hekili is actually super good for like bm / fire mage

and some of them classes

for assa in df it wasnt that bad tbh, single target that is

but for outlaw it s anywya impossible

[proven ocean]

Idk why u would need hekili for mage unless u never played fire before

[desert tendon]

again zero

[proven ocean]

Fire is so easy to play

[desert tendon]

hekili is not for you

[proven ocean]

[desert tendon]

you re not the target audience

[proven ocean]

True

[trail star]

lol

is that for asmon?

[hollow temple]

no

for Preheat

[proven ocean]

Wait

Preheat sued someone

[desert tendon]

Preheat drama?

[proven ocean]

For using his wow name?

[hollow temple]

this was like 2 years ago or more

[trail star]

i am out of the loop

[proven ocean]

My guy

I cant

[hollow temple]

he talked about or tried to sue Preheet

idr if it was anything more than just talking about it

[desert tendon]

zero

are u in evoker discord?

[proven ocean]

And why would he be mad about someone who has a name close to him

[desert tendon]

can u share the aug channel pin for the tuning please

[hollow temple]

and creator name

not just wow name

[proven ocean]

Yes i am i typed u guys think aug will be meta?

[hollow temple]

still cringe tho

[proven ocean]

5% buff censi

[desert tendon]

i mean at this rythm

[proven ocean]

Abit more in m+ only

[desert tendon]

they gonna make it meta again pretty soon

[proven ocean]

Its close to being back

[desert tendon]

maybe not giga broken mega dank cya losers

but more like

[proven ocean]

Personally i think aug is decent but

Not meta

[desert tendon]

giga strong

aug is currently okish in m+ imo

like middle of the pack

it think i d prefer having a random aug than a random sub

[upbeat tundra]

its not meta until you make it meta

[proven ocean]

Sub is the worst spec in m+ idk why u would consider sub

Sub, fury warr

And many more

[upbeat tundra]

dps warrior is actually so bad

[proven ocean]

Sub is back to how shitty it was in s1 tww

[desert tendon]

i d prefer a top tier sub player than a top tier aug i think

but there are like 5 top tier sub rogue in EU

[proven ocean]

Arms is fine

Its bad but

Fine

Does abit higher than sub

[desert tendon]

i m not a 10k viewer streamer, i dont make anything meta

[upbeat tundra]

u say that but i keep inviting warrior dps to my homework keys and they could not be worse

actually as a matter of fact here's the last key i was in, arms

idk if its lfg or what but this is how it looks every single time

[proven ocean]

💀

My guy said

Wowhead tier list

[upbeat tundra]

[cinder relic]

I mean bro U watch rob in D4 right

Like he will make his little pre patch tier list

and everybody treats it like gospel

Or maxroll

Or wudijo

[proven ocean]

Ikr

[cinder relic]

Tier lists are just cancer

it's fun content but ppl who engage with them are so dumb

just leads to a less informed public

[upbeat tundra]

and then other people get to choose whether or not to invite you based on them

[proven ocean]

Out of all the dumb shit tier lists, i never expected to read someone slurping on a wowhead tier list thats some next level casual shit

[upbeat tundra]

because lfg is the most archaic system

[frail veldt]

I had a warrior say at the end of my cinderbrew 15 where he did like 3m overall "I dont understand why I do so little dps"

and he was like

"I do the exact same thing as X "

some warrior streamer cant remember

meanwhile I did almost 5mil and our MM did like 3.8

goofy guy

[proven ocean]

Warrior is decent

[desert tendon]

critcake is decent

[proven ocean]

We did prior 17 before with 4 mins left

[desert tendon]

even more than just decent

[cinder relic]

Warrior is just always turbo shit in keys

[proven ocean]

Farover is better in m+ for sure

Its not even close

[hollow temple]

cracked warriors do quite well

not many cracked warriors tho

[proven ocean]

Farover is prob the best melee player i ever played with

In my life

[cinder relic]

Dude warrior is so annoying to play too

It's like rogue except with doubler rules and less damage

[hollow temple]

it has rules?

[cinder relic]

yes

[proven ocean]

Guys

I just realized

A fridge cannot overheat because it can cool itself down

Isnt that cool

[hollow temple]

https://tenor.com/view/smash-gif-13700757

[gaunt phoenix]

excuse me outlaw is the hardest and most rules and most punishing and highest apm and highest skill ceiling and

[cinder relic]

and and and

[proven ocean]

and and and

[hollow temple]

me smash isn't a rule

[formal axle]

Which version of outlaw is strongest to play ? idk the difference between the two

[gaunt phoenix]

there isnt one You have a choice

HO vs KIR is really similar overall

HO is most popular because it is easier to play and gear

[proven ocean]

Wtf whats going on, why is solo being based all of a sudden

[gaunt phoenix]

KIR is harder but lately it should win at high target pulls

[formal axle]

im geared as sub rogue so i assume HO will be the one to try then

[gaunt phoenix]

ye prob

[formal axle]

aight thanks 🫡

[gaunt phoenix]

im always baseg

no ?

[proven ocean]

Zac would disagree or

[gaunt phoenix]

zac a hater

[proven ocean]

Based

[wintry solar]

Zac is like my grandpa

Always against Innovation smh

Shaking my headset

[runic bough]

we are even again all over like df

except now with ks

[daring yoke]

guys rogue devs back from hawaii? how come bugs fixed so quick

[wintry solar]

Why idk

Must we question it?

I see it like a house of cards

The stars aligned

Etc

Gonna JINX IT

And it'll be YOUR FAUL5

[runic bough]

well

worst case

they tuned bf while it was broken all this time

they dont want us doing this much damage

so

im scared of a possible nerf

[gaunt phoenix]

Wowhead article got the world's attention

[fathom bramble]

we were in a state where dungeon buffs would have been reasonable anyway

[daring yoke]

u need to do more articles on wowhead solo

[fathom bramble]

and we still aren't a top spec so I wouldn't worry about it

[cinder relic]

Yeah solo

Get on it

[runic bough]

Yeah solo

+1 Vote

[daring yoke]

just make sure "outlaw doing siginificantly less damage" in the title somewhere

[runic bough]

https://tenor.com/view/vote-for-pedro-voteforpedro-napoleon-gif-23882534

someone replace this with solo

[gaunt phoenix]

title was actually not intended to make the bugs sound so dire and new

But the bf thing seems way more impactful than i thought it was so i guess it was a huge bug

[runic bough]

+1mil aoe dmg

id say thats a whole lot

and for the pros, they are getting over 10mil aoe now.

we are doing more aoe than tanks now

its great

[upbeat tundra]

idk i feel like im straight fuckin blasting in keys rn

[gaunt phoenix]

ya you should hold like 8-10m on massive packs

[gaunt phoenix]

same

[upbeat tundra]

its literally just ks at this point for me

[runic bough]

it has been very fun the past few nights since the fix

yeah

[upbeat tundra]

the gameplay of outlaw is sick, the damage is great, everything feels good, just ks

[runic bough]

remove ks and we would be a great spec

[gaunt phoenix]

ks 11.1.7

[runic bough]

[wintry solar]

Or

Here's an idea

We just drink and do keys

[runic bough]

take a shot everytime you die from ks

[latent oak]

vurais ks % is up to 49

so its looking good for the rework

thats the highest its been in ages

[wintry solar]

Things are looking up

[daring yoke]

KS makes me feel awake thought. the thrill not knowing if ill be alive or dead

[wintry solar]

Fent does that too but I wouldn't recommend that either

https://tenor.com/view/fentfriday-gif-12473664809441584584

[runic bough]

I just recrafted for haste and kir

now im going to relax tonight no wow

Health night

later outlaws

be back tomorrow

[latent oak]

finally got the workshop 15 down

[pliant wind]

[latent oak]

@gaunt phoenix if i wanted to get feedback on my gameplay would it be best to record a key or something and post the video rather than just a log?

not expecting the whole thing reviewed ofc, just to provide a sample of rotation on video as opposed to the cast timeline on wcl

[gaunt phoenix]

sure

[proven ocean]

Guys guys

Im gonna watch wolf of wallstreet movie tomrorow

Ok

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[hybrid crown]

I was farming for the coat today and found that outlaw is really good at pulling mobs. Almost as good as a boomkin with trickster/hour long MD

and run vigor so you don't run out of energy tagging mobs with ps

[upbeat tundra]

quick lil 5m overall priory

[wintry solar]

The rat from ratatouille be he keeps making me jork it

[fathom bramble]

his name is remy

[safe pasture]

for KIR would it be bad to try and hit 25% haste?

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah, haste falls off pretty harshly after the req

[safe pasture]

gotcha ty!

[tender wedge]

gasp those are assass numbers 😮

[analog fog]

damn

[upbeat tundra]

yea i was fuckin those guys hella hard

or whatever

[covert kestrel]

[tight kernel]

Top is actually aids with a bad grp

[lusty sparrow]

hypothetically, a question from a friend, would you play kir or ho on mythic bandit

[upbeat tundra]

1st boss mechagon wtf

[glass mortar]

PC is stronk

[lusty sparrow]

Its a kir angle for sure

[chilly atlas]

is assa damage, but you had to press 2x the globals to get it

[lusty sparrow]

Yes

[upbeat tundra]

i got a 17 brew :c

[upbeat tundra]

is this real?

why would they lie??

[safe pasture]

so like every dung its showing over me vs other outlaws as -40% healing are people just spamming crimson vial or

[pale hull]

could be the difference between avoidance and leech enchants

[tender wedge]

are you using killing spree?

the damage delay during KS is counted as a heal

so they may be using KS in worse situations and taking more damage from it (and therefore healing more)

logs should show you what is doing the healing too though so you can check

[safe pasture]

ahhh thats prob it ! i am sometimes def holding ks out of fear

[trail star]

how do you get that

looks like t2 but blkue

blue

oh 11.1.7 stuff

that one is sick

[sharp meteor]

Is there a benefit to running a dagger in offhand?

[trail star]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[viral mauve]

so what is the optimization reason for using finishers at 5+ cp instead of 6 during subterfuge and the other conditions? I try to do this as much as I can but I'm just curious as to the reasoning

[trail star]

with fatebound this was the motivation iirc:

and in general its neutral to finish at 6 or 5

also to fish for more procs in subt

[viral mauve]

Ah okay, thank you!

[frail veldt]

Damn @vivid vessel 2pt fth with PC is a big loss compared to gs sadly

hate this fucking button

[lusty sparrow]

kir on oab

[rotund zodiac]

Pls be real

[frail veldt]

who is that?

[frank finch]

qiuck someone check ptr

[charred pike]

Good night everyone! I have a question,what is an okay dmg on last boss of floodgate on a 12/13 at 670 ilvl? Did this place a couple of times and me and even some pumpers always dealt around 1.1 - 1.2 million dmg(melees), is that the expected? Kinda weird being so low

[rotund zodiac]

1.8m+?

[lone spear]

depends on your tank and uptime

[charred pike]

We always manage to kill the dude but the dmg seems low

[frank finch]

good is 3.5-4.5m

[lone spear]

if your tank isnt gonna move boss (incorrect play) its easy to lose uptime

[frank finch]

firgure out the rest from that

oh last boss

[charred pike]

On Dungeon or boss itself?

[frank finch]

my bad

[charred pike]

Yeah last boss

[lone spear]

ive done anywhere from ~2 to 1.5

depending on whether i can stick on boss or not

[frank finch]

1.8 would be very good

1.4 would be ok

[lone spear]

also depends if ur playing GS or not

[frank finch]

1.4 with no gs is very good

[lone spear]

yuh

but with gs would consider subpar

[charred pike]

Gs is ghost strike right? Yeah i dont use it

[lone spear]

also depends on so many things, like raidbuffs, external buffs, rng

[upbeat tundra]

just use it

[charred pike]

I suffer a little to get a decent uptime + ks on him

Ks alway fucks me there lol

[lone spear]

honestly if you dont like the variance of GS, its fine not to play it

yea KS will be rough on that boss

you can use it at low CP during his intermission

its worse that using at finisher cp, but better than not using it at all during that time

[charred pike]

Gotcha, thank for the help my dudes!

Gonna practice getting more KS at lower cps there

[frank finch]

even if it's a bit strange that “players” are analyzing and discovering these bugs (blizzard must have some tools for that?!), i think it's going in an encouraging direction with the 2 fixes.

with all the trash talk and banter stuff going on, that should give certain people here pause for thought. i think constructive criticism is definitely warranted and the overall state of the rogue class is simply outdated and definitely needs a rework. but some people here have come out firing against realz again and that's what i don't understand.

dude this is still a game. don't want to play the moral apostle but having a dev here is more of a blessing for our community than the other way around. also you don't know what kind of difficulties (rl problems, workspace etc.) the developers have, blizzard is not the company they used to be in the classic - wotlk days (negatively spoken).

[wintry solar]

I wish the dk dev poked their head in the dk discord every now and then

It's crazy how much advantage is taken from devs like Realz

[tender wedge]

It’s pretty longstanding tradition that devs who engage more with the player base end up getting hounded by the degenerates to the point they back out almost entirely

Or get fired

[delicate quest]

sad but true

[vivid vessel]

I mean it's without a doubt the best comp around outlaw

[frail veldt]

why that and not leaning into physical with like monk healer and marks/war

just slotting outlaw into what is otherwise a good comp is just better?

[random stirrup]

why buff outlaw's damage by 10% when you could just play specs that both do 15%+ more dmg in general and also cover up outlaw's weakness of mass aoe

[frail veldt]

Yeah I guess the best comp isnt a comp thats good for outlaw but rather a comp thats good DESPITE having an outlaw

rip

[rotund zodiac]

Outlaw players matter 😠

[astral wind]

Guides say we RTB on 4 or less, I've not played outlaw yet this season (will switch once we've killed myth gally) but what's the reason for this? Are there not 2 buffs that are way better anymore so we're fishing for the 5 or?

[frail veldt]

its due to our new set + the buffed talent sleight of hand

our odds of rolling 2 buffs is 65% and our odds of rolling 5 buffs is 17%

due to the value of supercharger in combination with how good those odds are, the odds of 5 and the value of SC outweigh sitting on 4 buffs

and this is true technically even in subterfuge

[wintry solar]

I wonder if HO loses the SC build next season

[safe pasture]

is warcraft logs app buggin for anyone else rn

[frail veldt]

though there are small optimizations you can make to not roll in the second half of subterfuge or sit on 4 buffs while in subterfuge

but theyre pretty much net 0 dps gain and mostly reduce variance

[frail veldt]

probably depending on next seasons tier set if we go back to running loaded dice

next season is gona feel REALLY weird losing this tier

even if our damage is decent our adr uptime is going to drop pretty significantly

[vivid vessel]

Yes lol?

[frail veldt]

Yeah I know itsjust a sad realization

[vivid vessel]

Why do you think it's better to take 5 shitty specs

Guys what if instead of taking the best specs in the. Game

I was taking the worse specs in the game

To buff outlaw

[frail veldt]

cuz synergies sometimes matter

[vivid vessel]

Ye well

It actually doesn't

[frail veldt]

well it does but the op specs are op enough to outweigh it

[silent marsh]

💀

[vapid sundial]

Ur gaining like 10% with the synergy

But trhe thing is

The op specs also have synergies

[vivid vessel]

More than this

You also have to do worse routes

You have to pull smaller

[upbeat tundra]

@vivid vessel why did wox whisper me telling me to log off outlaw

[vivid vessel]

You have less AOE stops

[vivid vessel]

Cause you bad at ouktaw I heard

[upbeat tundra]

jesus thats brutal

[vapid sundial]

Vdh is good with SP and dk, they both do a lot of mgc

[vivid vessel]

I don't think I have you in friendlist do I !

Otherwise I would do the same

[upbeat tundra]

its joever

[vapid sundial]

And then balance fits into all basically with vers and buffed by vdh as well

Shaman fits into all comps

Like what do u mean synergy

They have it as well while being 2x as good

The only thing enh rly doesn't want to play with is like, monk maybe bc monk buff is garbage

(why is monk buff so bad man lol)

[analog fog]

Fake news

I said outlaw beans dmg

[upbeat tundra]

you went out of your way to tell me this i think you want me to log out of outlaw

never meet your heroes

[wintry solar]

Wox mean? :(

[upbeat tundra]

he was the chosen one

except he abandoned us

[raven condor]

He did

Judas rogue

[analog fog]

i am taking one for the team

zac got me a plan to show the world

[haughty wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/get-rotated-get-rotated-idiot-rotate-rotation-shark-gif-24511062

[coral onyx]

boomie left after 10 sec wipe on candle king, saying run was dead lol

ive only gotten one +12 done with my keys so far, every group keeps falling apart for the dumbest shit

[upbeat tundra]

it doesnt get better dont worry

[coral onyx]

cant even get 3k rating 😂

[upbeat tundra]

what elo does the "every key is bricked to a failed vdh skip" start

14s? 15s?

[vivid vessel]

bro right

shit so annoying

i have failed about 4 floodgates

[upbeat tundra]

brother its so exhausting

[vivid vessel]

on bubble skip

[upbeat tundra]

SAME

[vivid vessel]

a few brew on the dh skip

[upbeat tundra]

this cant be the gameplay loop dude

it cant be this every fucking time

double hob goblin skip

or bubbles

idk it needs to change really bad

[silk stirrup]

Don't pug? Gameplay loop ended

[upbeat tundra]

fuck you

[dense bolt]

morning guys

W saturday

[silent marsh]

bubble skip 4 times ?

💀

am so glad i literally timed first 17 flood i tried, but this last 17 PSF idk this might take ages to even get grp

[vivid vessel]

yep

and i legit have 0 idea how the bubble skipp failed everytime

so cant even blame the guys

[wintry solar]

Secret outlaw bug I bet

[silent marsh]

i saw some warlock put gate in the middle on bubble skip and someone literally just clicked it before RP happend

in 17

[vivid vessel]

i know it aint me im tracking combat on frames

[silent marsh]

i tried to get PSF grp yest for 3 hours, were like 4 up in that time and 2 solid ones no inv

am 8/8m, all 17s but psf timed, am tank and 675 equipped

[vivid vessel]

skill issue

[silent marsh]

idk man

[dense bolt]

best thing about actually killing bubbles is when tank dont move the boss far enough and u press killingspree and you just natty soak all orbs and then lay deadge on the floor

i love that

[upbeat tundra]

or when tanks have the first boss of cinderbrew basically inside the fucking tornadoes 100% of the time

[dense bolt]

or candle king

man this is awesome

[upbeat tundra]

maybe wox is right why the fuck are we playing this

[silent marsh]

i try to minimize the movement for dps, but first boss cinder i literally just need to move a lot

its better then min maxing for one gcd

[safe pasture]

Are there any outlaws in any mdi teams?

[vivid vessel]

wox team

[safe pasture]

Pogggg

[vivid vessel]

https://youtu.be/O3bX0tUg7Jc?si=1_v_56QbXWJQHdRW&t=257 @desert tendon we farming ks clips to raise awareness

[silent marsh]

lmao

[dense bolt]

xdd

[silent marsh]

and right after that

bubble skip

[vivid vessel]

https://youtu.be/O3bX0tUg7Jc?si=HOmb7XQtN_1Un8Xt&t=735

lol

you can blind the bees

[fathom carbon]

Is there a chat command for haste recommendations? I see guide suggest 10% but top rouges in m+ running closer to 20% with HO 😮

[old badger]

is there any universe where this item is worth using? like as an offhand wep?

i got one while gearing my rogue and noticed that vanish was letting it proc the dmg multiple times on the same mobs. shadow quake was doing like 5% of my overall in the keys i was doing (10s-ish). obviously it caps at champ track but was just curious.

[upbeat tundra]

What if wox has a plan to constantly die or kill his team with ks live on broadcast

[vivid vessel]

[upbeat tundra]

To alert the people who make the computer game

[vivid vessel]

I asked him to do that

maybe he does

[potent gyro]

The hero we don’t deserve

[upbeat tundra]

Wox you have a legendary opportunity to create insane memes and also save us all

Please buddy

[potent gyro]

Would you rather have acro back or ks removed 🤔

[lusty sparrow]

Outlaw needs a martyr

[safe pasture]

Acro for sureeeee

[shell fossil]

pork chops and then more outlaw

aw yeah

also true, about 5/6 12s i attempted today were due to a tank related wipe at the start or poor positioning(fighting in the big i'pa room is grief city with all the wall slams etc)

[upbeat tundra]

How do I make fatebound work

[patent mirage]

you dont

[shell fossil]

get haste to 17-20% and cross the street pedestrian style

[patent mirage]

fb is like who even thought of that

[hollow temple]

haste requirement for HO isnt as strict as for KiR but HO still loves it the more haste you got. Most ideal is if you sim your character

[upbeat tundra]

If i just swap to fatebound and untalent ks it’s 8% loss in the 1fth build in dslice

Anyone have any cooks to lower the gap

[shell fossil]

you know what might be kinda novel, mouse over ambush/sinister strike

ima try it ._.

[shut lichen]

why?

[upbeat tundra]

How bad is 8% overall really that’s like just a monk and Druid buff

Can deal with that right

[formal crest]

Outlaw is actually so good now that even with fatebound you gonna beat other specs in dmg, except for unholy dk

[shell fossil]

im watching zac open on a venture surveryer and run into the pack near the 2nd crate just a think

[upbeat tundra]

What is bro on about

Is fatebound still supposed to just run the same sc 1fth kir build

Or is there a cook for it

[patent mirage]

do you know the meme from mean girls

stop trying to make fb happen

[blissful idol]

i used ks 2 times and got 2 dcs

[red zinc]

icannot

[wintry solar]

Cut him some slack, he just woke up.

[patent mirage]

outlaw being good? no we cant have that

outlaw must always be below moonkin and mage

s3 df i told gingi " if you are saying that rogue is op then why dont you play it "

and he got me banned for that

[red zinc]

Outlaw is good but fatebound is mega doodoo

[vivid vessel]

fatebound

what a blessing they buffed trickster

outlaw would have done 0 dps

[patent mirage]

" lets mix sin+outlaw "

"name it fatebound "

[fathom carbon]

Tried adding a new crafted ring with crit/vers instead of haste/verse. But i failed to get it to sim them against eachother :<

[vivid vessel]

when is dinar

i wanna transmog double sword

[wintry solar]

Tomorrow

[red zinc]

11 days

[upbeat tundra]

i want to know why blade rush is literally not worth a talent and global at any target count

how the fuck is that even possible

[kindred apex]

it does zero dmg

[daring oxide]

What other specs in wow are similar to outlaw

I need a new alt

[lusty sparrow]

Enhance maybe

[upbeat tundra]

similar how

in what respect

[wintry solar]

Outlaws usually have ret alts for some reason

[tranquil hemlock]

how original

everyone has a ret alt

[wintry solar]

I don't

[lusty sparrow]

I don't

[tranquil hemlock]

neither do i

[lusty sparrow]

Bozo

[tranquil hemlock]

guess i lied

[wintry solar]

L take

[tranquil hemlock]

play afflock

[wintry solar]

L liar

Mods

Wack his pp

[tranquil hemlock]

i mean ret is most played spec thats what i meant

[lusty sparrow]

Don't you EVER associate me with that spec again...

[tranquil hemlock]

cmon leave my pp out of this

[hollow temple]

ppl cant just time Rookery how bad can u be 😦

these DKs dropping every key and then blame the group after the run

im like ==> (._. )

[tranquil hemlock]

thats

what i meant by everyone has a ret alt

[left furnace]

I’m not sure if I love chain pulling more or when the tanks dies right after I press adrenaline rush

[lusty sparrow]

I play the bottom four (that isn't Aug) like god intended

[upbeat tundra]

where is this "chain pulling bad" shit coming from

who is telling u guys this

[tranquil hemlock]

dirty aug enjoyer

don't hide it

[lusty sparrow]

I play pres not aug

[left furnace]

I feel my adr uptime is much better when I can stealth after a pull even for a second

[upbeat tundra]

im top 10 aug in the world right now btw

no meme

[tranquil hemlock]

you timed a single +2

and got top 10

?

[lusty sparrow]

I don't think that's something you should openly say

[upbeat tundra]

i timed a 15 floodgate thank you very much

[tranquil hemlock]

okok

courageous i'll give you that

[upbeat tundra]

https://raider.io/characters/us/proudmoore/Dwaggy

[tranquil hemlock]

crazy stuff

[upbeat tundra]

got that 15% buff on tuesday

might go nutty

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble actually need to explain to people im soft capped at one now

[slate plaza]

,would you drop pc for 2 fth in meaderbrew

[vivid vessel]

ye i am

[upbeat tundra]

its been too long since we had a good ol fashion exploit, anyone found one i can abuse

[vivid vessel]

but high keys route in meaderuwuw are degenerate

[vivid vessel]

if you press bf rn

you can hit alive targets

instead of dead

how is that for an exploit

[desert tendon]

Keep It up baby

[upbeat tundra]

idk i was having a lot of fun just spamming BTE

[vivid vessel]

we are spreading awarness

one clip at a time

[desert tendon]

Unfortunate is doing 20 clips à day

Noob

[upbeat tundra]

do u guys think there are any blizzard employees that run keys

we need to find them and snipe their keys

and just fuck them up bad with ks

[tight kernel]

!haste

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[timber knoll]

It’s on the list to fix as of 2023 once they finish making an in game damage meter they’ll fix ks

[frank finch]

What?

[tight kernel]

Someone explain it Barney style for me the difference between 1 fth+pc vs 2 fth no pc

[vivid vessel]

waht whajt

we are soft capped at 1 target with pc

well 2 i guess

like

if you get more targets

[desert tendon]

[vivid vessel]

i do less damage

[proven ocean]

Hi zac

Outlaw bad?

[desert tendon]

Stfu zero

I protec zac now

Let the man be happi for once

He can carry 13"s

[hollow portal]

Zan, how much % crit do you have? Because all your gear is Versa - haste I'd even like to know how much crit you have lol

[red zinc]

Is there any way to add the kir container stuff to the afenar one

or remove the rtb elements from it so i can just replace it or smth

[desert tendon]

U can just turn off the loading on rtb buffs

[mighty pivot]

just set the rtb buffs to never load or delete them

[desert tendon]

And use zac s wa

That s what I did in df

And that s what I still doing but using another pack

[red zinc]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[red zinc]

I dont like the sleek looking wa's usually

but ill give it a go

[midnight widget]

is there still a list of all outlaw bugs?

[covert kestrel]

You could try copying the display elements of afenar icons over to zacs RtB wa so you keep the logic and stuff but they look more like afenar?

[red zinc]

that would be ideal but I have absolutely no clue how wa's work

so bit of a herculean task

ill just try to adjust, usually just get used to it over time anyway

[hushed horizon]

if i have 2 gallywix weps on normal, should i still prio making a weapon?

[covert kestrel]

It doesn't always work and might need some tinkering, but find the afenar RtB, right click and copy display settings, then just right click and paste them on zacs.

[tight kernel]

Real or fake media

[meager knoll]

a very niche question but is BF bugged to not do aoe damage if you oneshot the target?

random legacy content spree made me realize this

[trail star]

Its not buged, it does the correct damage

I checked that in ICC yday

[meager knoll]

interesting

was just black templing now

[timber knoll]

Sim it but a 675 wep will probably still be massive for you

[still matrix]

Do we get on tuning with next hotfix? I can't open the article on mobile..

[timber knoll]

Nope

[still matrix]

Ffs!

They just forgot because our changes will be so big

They coming later

[mighty pivot]

[shell fossil]

outlaw eternal shiny and chrome ngl

[arctic hollow]

Holy Paladin

[red zinc]

where do i do this

i see the seperate buffs wa but the coup tracker is also there

idk if I should make a seperate coup tracker and poisons reminder and just turn off the whole module maybe

[covert kestrel]

Go into load settings and tick never for the RtB buffs. If they're not in their own group then just do it for each of the 6

Or delete ig

[red zinc]

oh yeah wait theres another sub menu under the buffs menu

yeah ok that makes sense

ty ill fix it

[red zinc]

@vivid vessel you looked at this?

[shut lichen]

is it up to champ only?

[red zinc]

yeah

ill see what sim thinks about it but idk if its implemented

just want to check because so little people care about this dogwater content that it mightve slipped past

[shut lichen]

my money is on it's not the worth

[red zinc]

probably not

yeah no it aint

[arctic hollow]

How do you guys deal with the Candle King in DFC with KS ? Just hold it forever and suffer ?

[red zinc]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2jW6dmQog38QTtYuXqMPFW

[covert kestrel]

I think 1cp ks is the way

[arctic hollow]

Oh that makes a lot of sense

[wintry solar]

I think 2cp KS is the way

[red zinc]

although actually

the proc is not implemented

wait

[wintry solar]

I like to live dangerously

[red zinc]

can someone look at that sim and see if im missing the weapon proc

[shut lichen]

surprisingly close

[red zinc]

i dont think its there

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/watchout-badass-neildegrassetyson-gif-5031973

[red zinc]

@old badger what is the damage proc from that weapon called

[wintry solar]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-stiller-badass-walk-walking-zoolander-gif-15861491

[red zinc]

yeah the proc doesnt seem to be implemented in simc

possible cook alert

maybe its cause its the first melee thing and its too insignificant when hitting the same mobs for 3 minutes

[frank finch]

[red zinc]

idk i thought raidbots always showed every single damage instance no matter how small

ill try a 20s sim

[frank finch]

nah it has to be

[red zinc]

(cooked)

[frank finch]

thats why its so close

[red zinc]

i mean

[frank finch]

otherwise makes no sense

[red zinc]

17 ilvls on an offhand

1.1% decrease

not that crazy

thats about what a normal oh would be too

[late swallow]

For outlaw ur supposed to sim 7 minute 10 boss hectic add cleave for optimal results btw

[red zinc]

if it doesnt show up in the 20s sim it just isnt there

and ill need to actually go get it ingame

and do this fucking event

please just let it be bad

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o5NWhLAHSzATsaKiR4c3zJ

yeah its not in here either

its over

[frank finch]

whats it called

[red zinc]

i dont know what the effect is called

[frank finch]

its easy to get

[frank finch]

just do the invasion event once

and buy from vendor

[red zinc]

ok on it

[frank finch]

the weekly i mean

[proven ocean]

wtf

this

katana

goes hard

[frank finch]

yea it does

[proven ocean]

BRO

THIS

TRADING POST

IS CRAZY

LMAO

[frank finch]

this the best trading post ever released

[red zinc]

im probably getting baited by someone doing 1 mill overall saying its 5% of their overall

lets be honest

[frank finch]

oh someone told u that

[red zinc]

yeah in here earlier

i mean idfk its not implemented in simc so nobody checked it

chance its good for no reason

[proven ocean]

not bad or

[covert kestrel]

Lil big and goofy for me

[crisp condor]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[frank finch]

when u sim it vs a very similiar wep u lose dps so idk

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3DPDRf1SZGSQc8T6baM2Fb

[red zinc]

the other weapon has depths

[frank finch]

oo

[light kernel]

Is that hat hard to get?

[vivid vessel]

this is so sad honestly

idk

i feel like you are removing half the game

it shouldnt be a thing

[late swallow]

You know who babs is right?

[vivid vessel]

ye i know

ww tc guy

[late swallow]

[vivid vessel]

but i do think its sad

[frank finch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8z2hYWLW7q5nn9FU36dv2X

yea u might be onb to something

[vivid vessel]

its like if you played with a rotation bot in league

or idk

[red zinc]

i mean again

[vivid vessel]

aim assist in fps

[red zinc]

its probably like okay

but not bis

i just want to verify

[frank finch]

well ask solo later

[red zinc]

nah im workin on it now

dw

[frank finch]

bet

[red zinc]

I LOVE WORLD CONTENT

[frank finch]

[red zinc]

[hollow temple]

Why do you care exactly?

[vivid vessel]

@hollow temple

[late swallow]

Because it’s funny

Mad?

[vivid vessel]

have you rerolled to outlaw yet

[hollow temple]

Shut up

[late swallow]

[vivid vessel]

idc about babo guy specifically using it

[late swallow]

The babylonius lobby has hit outlaw chat

[frank finch]

i cant wait to purple parse as a caster with 1 button rotation

[vivid vessel]

i care about it being even allowed in this game

[late swallow]

1 button outlaw gonna go crazy

[vivid vessel]

to me its the same as fps nowadays tending to implement aim magnet thing on pc

and its mega cringe

or if you played with a rotation bot in league

you legit removing half the game

and half the skill of the game

[hollow temple]

Just stop being a childish cretin

[late swallow]

Man I’m just curious which apls they’re going to draw on

[late swallow]

Why are you so mad bro

Long solo queues this morning or what?

[vivid vessel]

[hollow temple]

Who says I’m mad

[vivid vessel]

you are getting gooned on trickzter

do something

[hollow temple]

I’m calling you out for being fucking weird, stop being fucking weird

[late swallow]

Lmao bro

[hollow temple]

[late swallow]

Green name power trip is crazy

[vivid vessel]

he do be perma weird

[lean grove]

Is there a way to increase the volume of the Ace Proc sound ?

[rapid grail]

!rotation

[plucky ridge]

is this trinket bait? it sims a higher than seaforium but it does not feel like it inside dungeons and raids

[tidal sequoia]

My name is Jakub, I will roll outlaw on monday

King spec is back

[rapid grail]

xDD

[tidal sequoia]

Fck sub

[rapid grail]

tell me the rotation king spec

[fluid meadow]

11111 2 ks death repeat

[rapid grail]

so we use killing spree often on off cd?

[wintry solar]

Yes

Just not in subterfuge

[rapid grail]

kk

ty

[stable kindle]

guys help me, almost nothing sims higher than these rings that i have and i only have 9% haste

[red zinc]

playing ho?

[stable kindle]

yes

[red zinc]

thats the amount of haste you want for ho

!haste

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[red zinc]

depends what build you run i guess

[stable kindle]

okay thanks

[red zinc]

kk @frank finch i got the weapon, gonna run a key to see if its okay at all

[arctic hollow]

in keys you don't need as much haste as in raid because you get lots of opportunities to regain energy, you probably wont get the same sims in ST

In Dungeon Slice my hero Crit ring sims way higher than myth haste versa and the other way around in ST

The weapon proc

[frank finch]

seems to proc alot

on dummies

[red zinc]

thats fake tbf

you are exiting combat

although wait

would you exit combat in m+ packs with vanish too technically?

while others are hitting

bosses that isnt the case of course but idk about packs

[torpid fiber]

Hmm

[red zinc]

if thats the case its pretty good

you can swap weapons mid dungeon so you just swap back on bosses

like s2

[frank finch]

well the proc seems better then a heroic gally wep atleast

[red zinc]

if only I could get into a single dungeon to test it

[formal axle]

Does outlaw care to restealth between pulls or nah

[jolly geyser]

yes

[red zinc]

i mean if its a good chain i dont really care

[torpid fiber]

Yes but it's not a huge issue

[red zinc]

but people that pull shit when a mob is at 2% health

are annoying as fuck

[formal axle]

Fair thanks gamers 🫡

[torpid fiber]

You want to be in stealth whenever you're out of combat anyways

[frank finch]

unless u play with eye

then u dont care

[red zinc]

actually ridiculous how i cant get into 10s with 3k on this guy and 3.2k on a main

[long barn]

You have to offer handi’s

I think I’m approaching 3.4 on this rogue this season and people still just look past me. Pretty sleezy

[torpid fiber]

It's all the stealth

[frank finch]

there is no way 9im about to test this weapon b4 you

lol

[red zinc]

i finally got in

incredible

oh they kicked me

man

[frank finch]

LOL

[red zinc]

why do i play this game

[vivid vessel]

got into a key yesterday

"are you assa?"

"no"

[red zinc]

[vivid vessel]

"not gonna work mate"

[red zinc]

klassiker

zac do you know

[frank finch]

if ppl knew how much dmg zac is doing now

[red zinc]

if you vanish in an m+ pack

do you exit combat officially

or nah

[vivid vessel]

right xd

[frank finch]

he would be in bleeding edge keys

[vivid vessel]

yep

[red zinc]

oh

this weapon might actually be legit then

[vivid vessel]

its meld that you dont always

[red zinc]

weaponswapping back

[vivid vessel]

ykou cant weapon swap in m+

with some

you can weapon swap in combat anywya

[red zinc]

yeah ofc

[vivid vessel]

if its allowed i mean

[red zinc]

you'd only do it for bosses

[frank finch]

i wonder if the dagger proc one is also missing from simc

[vivid vessel]

^

they changed it in df s4

[red zinc]

wonder if its worth the loss then

gonna be like 1.5% less st

[vivid vessel]

which weapon

[red zinc]

it resets on every mob when you vanish

[vivid vessel]

what is that

[red zinc]

nightfall scenario thing

[vivid vessel]

can you get it hc level

[red zinc]

no

guess itll become even worse in 2 weeks then

eh

[wintry solar]

I guess it's not bad for alts

Which is its purpose let's be real

[red zinc]

I genuinely think its bis for aoe right now

I just cant fucking test it

or sim

jesus christ this game sucks ass

[reef forge]

sad times

[late swallow]

Bummed they made you change your name

Smellybussy the goat fr

[reef forge]

yeah character was nerfed

[red zinc]

this weapon technically makes you scale beyond 8 targets

albeit a tiny ass amount

[vivid vessel]

nice

[hollow temple]

https://youtube.com/shorts/DuFdiKEt9Gg?si=hLQCPF42v1QKOVjm

gotta join pugs as outlaw like this

create a google doc with your overalls pasted on it to link in the chat

[vivid vessel]

bro

wait

trickz

that might

[hollow temple]

lmaooo

[vivid vessel]

ah wait nmv

[hollow temple]

it might work

[vivid vessel]

you cant link links in the note

otherwise you do that exactly lol

[hollow temple]

whisper it to the lead

[vivid vessel]

i swear if you whisper a lead you get insta blocked

thats the rule

[hollow temple]

[red zinc]

not wrong

[vivid vessel]

oh its bardinette

funny

its a french guy

one tricking bard top

and everyone hates him

[frank finch]

[vivid vessel]

wait

wtf

[red zinc]

see

[frank finch]

almost 5 %

[vivid vessel]

thats the weapon ?

[red zinc]

yes

[vivid vessel]

and its

how do i get it

now

tell me

!

[red zinc]

nightfall scenario

[vivid vessel]

TELL ME

[red zinc]

in hallowfall

[vivid vessel]

NOW

[red zinc]

gives a token

starts in 6 min

[vivid vessel]

IS IT GARANTEDD

[red zinc]

go now

[vivid vessel]

DROP

[red zinc]

yes

[vivid vessel]

TELL MW

[red zinc]

from vendor

[frank finch]

we can upgrade this when the trcks get extended right?

[vivid vessel]

NOW

TELL ME

[rotund zodiac]

is it a bug? I died during Rik intermission, I ks him and died but there was no ring thing around him anymore

[red zinc]

no

[vivid vessel]

ye its bugged

[red zinc]

only hero and myth get extended

[frank finch]

[vivid vessel]

happneed to me aswell one time

TELL ME

NOW

HOW DO I GET IT

NOW

[red zinc]

i just did

[vivid vessel]

TELL ME

[red zinc]

fucking bum

read

[rotund zodiac]

they nerf evasion on rik and now this

[vivid vessel]

TELL AGAIN

[rotund zodiac]

[frank finch]

do the new event weekly

[vivid vessel]

WTF

[frank finch]

and buy from vendor

[vivid vessel]

DOING IT RN

[vestal notch]

Complete scenario. get token. buy weapon with token

[frank finch]

we gotts test the dagger one to for st

[vivid vessel]

what event

[frank finch]

in hallow

[hollow temple]

the 11.1.5 thing

west side

[vivid vessel]

i dont see

how right

[frank finch]

i wonder if any of these event trinkets r im simc

bro

[red zinc]

to the left

[rotund zodiac]

u telling me new weapon from new event is doing good dps?

[red zinc]

bottom left corner

[rotund zodiac]

I sold it for gold when I got it

[vivid vessel]

its also good stated

ME

MINE

[hollow temple]

[vivid vessel]

MY WEAPON

sim it now !!!!

[frank finch]

that details is fro ma 10 dleft in the hands of some one better prolly does moe dmg

[vivid vessel]

[vivid vessel]

NOW

[rotund zodiac]

imma check support if they can bring back sold items

[vivid vessel]

NOOO