thats not even possible
#outlaw
vivid vessel
frail veldt
yeah no way
gaunt phoenix
blizzard doesnt literally use apl someone from simc just parsed the logic to be APL compatible
glass mortar
it was solos sims, did solos sims have the gcd thingy?
frail veldt
I think 20% is just hte apl
frail veldt
blizzard doesnt literally use apl someone from simc just parsed the logic to be...
aaaaah
vivid vessel
it was solos sims, did solos sims have the gcd thingy?
no i dont think so
he just did normal sims
glass mortar
yea exactly
trail star
Maybe with an addon :d
frail veldt
0.3gcd alone was 40% dps loss for outlaw
glass mortar
he was just improving the blizzard apl that solo tested in solos sims
but like
who cares
frail veldt
without any apl changes
glass mortar
obviously u could literally just copy paste the apl into this button
frail veldt
so even if blizz apl is only 20% lower
gaunt phoenix
0.3gcd alone was 40% dps loss for outlaw
well its -28% if you compare from the top
but +39% if you compare from the bottom
math
glass mortar
i think crackshotting even already works on the button?
it just wont cast vanish on its own
frail veldt
but +39% if you compare from the bottom
ah true
glass mortar
u need to vanish
frail veldt
fair fair
glass mortar
then itll crackshot
frail veldt
it just wont cast vanish on its own
ye
glass mortar
so if u used this button, with no delay, and manually pressed AR and vanish
frail veldt
what they prob did was made any cd >=2 min is not in the apl
glass mortar
ud probably be within 10% of potential dps already
frail veldt
thats what it looks like at least
vivid vessel
what they prob did was made any cd >=2 min is not in the apl
no
glass mortar
idk this is a very weird thingy for me
vivid vessel
sub has flag
trail star
Its still a good idea for casual gameplay
vivid vessel
but not blades
glass mortar
it would be very easy for them to make this button too good
glass mortar
i hope they dont plan to
random stirrup
sub has flag
maybe they just used the same list of cds that reset on boss wipe
since flag doesnt and blades does
haughty wigeon
basically shit like deathmark
blades
avenging wrath
meta
ect ect
ya know, the spec defining cds
acause kingsbane is also in assisted rotation for sin
gaunt phoenix
do i really need to pin some shit about this button
vivid vessel
do i really need to pin some shit about this button
no lol ?
honesltyy unsure why the other specs have it pinned
gaunt phoenix
ye idk
vivid vessel
we are giving blizzard attention
haughty wigeon
end of the day
vivid vessel
for absolutely nothing
gaunt phoenix
if they approach me for feedback i will provide it
red zinc
half the content of this game is complaining about blizzard
haughty wigeon
im ssure people asked about it here but it was drowned out
vivid vessel
people asked for it in sin and in sub
thats just people interested by the spec
like us
trail star
@gaunt phoenix maybe a command botlike !onebutton
gaunt phoenix
maybe
vivid vessel
i see now
haughty wigeon
i was forced renamed
vivid vessel
mb
vivid vessel
ok
desert tendon
remrenamed
haughty wigeon
cheating on me
haughty wigeon
vivid vessel
tbf
desert tendon
i thought we were in a special relationship
haughty wigeon
i thought you hated the dev
gaunt phoenix
btw
haughty wigeon
desert tendon
gaunt phoenix
dont bf at 2 target guys
desert tendon
proof that zac hate everyone
desert tendon
what does this line mean solo
vivid vessel
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1212526973830570026/...
everything not everyone
vivid vessel
what does this line mean solo
bf at above 2
desert tendon
people are things for your extra ego
vivid vessel
not at 2 or above
haughty wigeon
its doing bf at 3+ targets
gaunt phoenix
ye
haughty wigeon
real
random stirrup
all of subs cds in the blizz apl require >1 target tho
gaunt phoenix
tbf there might be some mistakes with the parsing
random stirrup
did they just forget the equals sign
trail star
I wonder if that line is cpu intensive
haughty wigeon
all of them are shit
red zinc
they have a lot of rookie mistakes
trail star
since it requires to track how many targets you have around you
red zinc
poisoned knife for assa is conditioned to be in melee instead of in ranged
haughty wigeon
for ret
trail star
poisoned knife for assa is conditioned to be in melee instead of in ranged
really? XDD
gaunt phoenix
wonder how it does target detection
haughty wigeon
it casts execution scentence first, even tho it does nothing by itself.
doesnt cast judgement until like
6 globals later
latent oak
on this simc github, how do i look at how the sim uses trinkets
if not specified by the spec apl
gaunt phoenix
there is a use_items line that catches trinkets
if not otherwise specified
like this
# Uses buff effect trinkets with cooldowns and is willing to delay usage up to 1/3 the trinket cooldown if it won't lose a usage in the fight. Fills in downtime with weaker buff effects if they won't also be saved for later cooldowns (happens if it won't delay over 1/3 the trinket cooldown and a stronger trinket won't be up in time) or damage effects if they won't inferfere with any buff effect usage.
actions.trinkets+=/use_items,slots=trinket1:trinket2,if=this_trinket.has_use_buff&(variable.buff_sync_ready&(variable.stronger_trinket_slot=this_trinket_slot|other_trinket.cooldown.remains)|!variable.buff_sync_ready&(variable.stronger_trinket_slot=this_trinket_slot&(variable.buff_sync_remains>this_trinket.cooldown.duration%3&fight_remains>this_trinket.cooldown.duration+20|other_trinket.has_use_buff&other_trinket.cooldown.remains>variable.buff_sync_remains-15&other_trinket.cooldown.remains-5<variable.buff_sync_remains&variable.buff_sync_remains+45>fight_remains)|variable.stronger_trinket_slot!=this_trinket_slot&(other_trinket.cooldown.remains&(other_trinket.cooldown.remains-5<variable.buff_sync_remains&variable.buff_sync_remains>=20|other_trinket.cooldown.remains-5>=variable.buff_sync_remains&(variable.buff_sync_remains>this_trinket.cooldown.duration%3|this_trinket.cooldown.duration<fight_remains&(variable.buff_sync_remains+this_trinket.cooldown.duration>fight_remains)))|other_trinket.cooldown.ready&variable.buff_sync_remains>20&variable.buff_sync_remains<other_trinket.cooldown.duration%3)))|!this_trinket.has_use_buff&(this_trinket.cast_time=0|!variable.buff_sync_active)&(!this_trinket.is.junkmaestros_mega_magnet|buff.junkmaestros_mega_magnet.stack>10)&(!other_trinket.has_cooldown&(variable.damage_sync_active|this_trinket.is.junkmaestros_mega_magnet&buff.junkmaestros_mega_magnet.stack>25|!this_trinket.is.junkmaestros_mega_magnet&variable.damage_sync_remains>this_trinket.cooldown.duration%3)|other_trinket.has_cooldown&(!other_trinket.has_use_buff&(variable.stronger_trinket_slot=this_trinket_slot|other_trinket.cooldown.remains)&(variable.damage_sync_active|this_trinket.is.junkmaestros_mega_magnet&buff.junkmaestros_mega_magnet.stack>25|variable.damage_sync_remains>this_trinket.cooldown.duration%3&!this_trinket.is.junkmaestros_mega_magnet|other_trinket.cooldown.remains-5<variable.damage_sync_remains&variable.damage_sync_remains>=20)|other_trinket.has_use_buff&(variable.damage_sync_active|this_trinket.is.junkmaestros_mega_magnet&buff.junkmaestros_mega_magnet.stack>25|!this_trinket.is.junkmaestros_mega_magnet&variable.damage_sync_remains>this_trinket.cooldown.duration%3)&(other_trinket.cooldown.remains>=20|other_trinket.cooldown.remains-5>variable.buff_sync_remains)))|fight_remains<25&(variable.stronger_trinket_slot=this_trinket_slot|other_trinket.cooldown.remains)```(i dont use this)
that is from marksman apl
latent oak
more charcters than the blizzkeli apl
vivid vessel
wonder how they ever debug these lines
twilit rivet
can i just vent for a bit
vivid vessel
no
twilit rivet
i'll keep it short
frail veldt
like this
```c#
# Uses buff effect trinkets with cooldowns and is willing to del...
loooooooooooool
latent oak
lfg bad
vivid vessel
rtb bad
twilit rivet
i've been trying to do a cinderbrew+13 all day, i've got 13 runs, 1 made it to the last boss killed it with 2 minutes over time, 2 in my group accumulated 3,5minutes of extra time by dying. the other 12 runs haven't even gotten past the first room because somehow it's super hard for people to interrupt stuff and heal others. IS cinderbrew really THAT hard??
gaunt phoenix
ye idk cinderbrew is pretty awful
haughty wigeon
i've been trying to do a cinderbrew+13 all day, i've got 13 runs, 1 made it to t...
not hard to rupt
people dumb
but cinderbrew is aids
latent oak
crazy that u got into 13 cinderbrews in 1 day tho
gaunt phoenix
why not outlaw in MDI
so we dodge nerf
latent oak
ur the god of outlaw lfg
twilit rivet
so we dodge nerf
bro i've been at it
sullen wyvern
i've been trying to do a cinderbrew+13 all day, i've got 13 runs, 1 made it to t...
a lot of players that were stuck doing 10s a few weeks ago are getting into 12-14s because of ilvl, so yeah, it';s gonna be painful
trail star
why not outlaw in MDI
Capped at 8t
sullen wyvern
so we dodge nerf
tight kernel
Uh
frail veldt
i've been trying to do a cinderbrew+13 all day, i've got 13 runs, 1 made it to t...
statistically cinderbrew is one of the harder dungeons
in terms of completion
latent oak
casual and wox are next weekend right
but idk if casual has touched outlaw this season or not
frail veldt
prob not
gaunt phoenix
what trinkets would you use in mdi
frail veldt
signet
tight kernel
Signet pog
frail veldt
and kezan?
twilit rivet
statistically cinderbrew is one of the harder dungeons
according to empirical data gathered on my own i would come to the same conclusion
tight kernel
Prob
sullen wyvern
isn't wox participating?
latent oak
group wide 678 kezan goes hard
frail veldt
ye
haughty wigeon
isn't wox participating?
he is
frail veldt
not like itll ever drop in mdi
haughty wigeon
but isnt he sin
latent oak
isn't wox participating?
he's next weekend gorup i think
sullen wyvern
ah k
haughty wigeon
unsure
latent oak
being able to play both is valuable
frail veldt
to dodge spec limitations
wait wdym
sullen wyvern
I was actually shocked to see frost dk there
frail veldt
can you not play a spec the whole time?
haughty wigeon
forst dk
vivid vessel
he will play both right
ye
tight kernel
Nah wox gonna pullout outlaw
haughty wigeon
is pretty good
twilit rivet
ur the god of outlaw lfg
also i think i've gotten in to 13 of them is because 12 of them have failed in the first room pre first boss, so i've had enough time sitting in lfg looking
vivid vessel
can you not play a spec the whole time?
not anymore
frail veldt
not anymore
oh interesting how does that work?
latent oak
u can game it so u can play some specs the whole time
vivid vessel
idk exactly
forgot
its like you cant play a spec x times in a row or whatever idk
frail veldt
hmm
vivid vessel
if you watchec echo a bit earlier
they were doing
wl frost dk fire mage
bear tank
latent oak
2 most played spec in ur score keys on friday are banned on sunday
prioritising tank and healer
gaunt phoenix
but why
latent oak
and if its a tie in dps u get to choose which one
haughty wigeon
to force a diveristy of specs
latent oak
like echo are playing guardian resto sham i think
haughty wigeon
but ngl
frail veldt
2 most played spec in ur score keys on friday are banned on sunday
interesting
trail star
but why
Trying to force a more balanced view of wow? idk
Even if its clearly not balanced
haughty wigeon
people can see how good some specs are (bear) instead of coping saying its perma shit (bear)
vapid blaze
its abit scuffed that they just play some different comp before highest key
vivid vessel
but it just overly punish teams that arent doing wow as their job tho
so idk
like mdi isnt wfr
frail veldt
but it just overly punish teams that arent doing wow as their job tho
thats fair
vapid blaze
it also only affects their homework keys
they should only count specs played in their highest keys 😄
latent oak
it also only affects their homework keys
dont they only count from the keys that give score at the end of the day?
i thought that is how it worked
vapid blaze
dont they only count from the keys that give score at the end of the day?
nah
otherwise they wouldnt push with frost dk
glass mortar
its a bit weird and artificial tho like
glass mortar
they are just gunna form a meta of playing the most shit specs they can in the lower keys on friday
haughty wigeon
idk why we're pretending frost dk is weak
glass mortar
to game the system and play the better specs on sunday
vivid vessel
https://www.twitch.tv/woxtoxic/clip/FitWimpySalamanderAMPTropPunch-99pE8W8ZUyvDX...
same
ty for clip
glass mortar
its a weird vibe
haughty wigeon
when dk as a whole cracks out
vivid vessel
i have been falling down then grappling from one side to another
vapid blaze
to game the system and play the better specs on sunday
yeah exactly
you can just avoid it by doing keys that arent really that hard for them on some meme spec
glass mortar
ye u can just grapple past the eye mob
if u run along the edge and grapple at an angle
vivid vessel
i have been doing this
i didnt know you could do what wox did directly
its coo l
gaunt phoenix
grapple is hecking awesome
vivid vessel
ye i love grapple ! ! !
gaunt phoenix
2 grapples ? ! ?
fallen knot
my faith in this game is restored
latent oak
btw on last boss workshop why dont ppl just perma 5 stack and only walk out with the beam
fallen knot
i found a group doing priory 12, we failed like 2 times and we reset and everyone was omega kind i cant believe it
latent oak
surely it would nicely group all the balls
gaunt phoenix
i found a group doing priory 12, we failed like 2 times and we reset and everyon...
love that
hollow temple
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx4ZnG54WgOt7trQ-XmsFMYmrtFRK3fxny?si=zdLhXnUtr-OXZR-...
that slow fall attempt yesterday was pain
sullen wyvern
such variety many poggers
hollow temple
i felt that one for you 
vivid vessel
that slow fall attempt yesterday was pain
im never trying to do it like others are
fallen knot
the guy with the key had it resilient and he offered to reset for us i'm about to cry
hollow temple
im never trying to do it like others are
wdym
fallen knot
it will not happen again ever probably but still was a nice group
latent oak
they use parasol
vivid vessel
ye i know
hollow temple
you reminded me i needed to go get slow fall engi enchant so
latent oak
and u can stealth during it i think
vivid vessel
but idk the angle
latent oak
u just wiggle left and right
vivid vessel
ye idk
latent oak
to say centred
vivid vessel
just grapple
latent oak
ya
hybrid tendon
just be goblin
runic bough
Guys I can't play tonight
I been staying up all night on outlaw since the bug fix
I need to sleep tonight
Don't forget to take care of your health outlaws
This health advisory brought to you by Ryukage. Game responsibly, outlaws.
long barn
Any news on 1/2 KIR vs HO for M+ on recommendation after bug fix. The pin says Solo will share his thoughts on best talents going forward.
gaunt phoenix
Any news on 1/2 KIR vs HO for M+ on recommendation after bug fix. The pin says S...
i meant that Deft rules still need to be investigated a bit
gaunt phoenix
pin should be fine for HO vs KIR
long barn
i meant that Deft rules still need to be investigated a bit
Ahhh. Okay
gaunt phoenix
KIR should win at full targets but HO at lower targets so it's preference really
runic bough
It hasn't been talked about here at all
vivid vessel
who
runic bough
Oh wait I found out here lols
latent oak
do u press ks when divers are involved in floodgate
if i expolde a bomb with ks does it do splash damage
or am i just free to cloak the dot
glass mortar
it does splash damage
long barn
KIR should win at full targets but HO at lower targets so it's preference really
Yea. Gotta believe keys 16+ KIR should win no. Very few pulls in the keys I’ve been in have been small packs. @gaunt phoenix - what would your lower targets count mean? 5?
gaunt phoenix
Yea. Gotta believe keys 16+ KIR should win no. Very few pulls in the keys I’ve b...
where Deft kicks in or not
but also ST in good in keys
runic bough
The build was taking imp ambush and audacity with kir instead of ho.
I donno it simmed bad for me
runic bough
That was like 2 weeks ago
When I was trying not to play ks
And swimming in all the builds
glass mortar
if someone was playing audacity and kir it was by accident
frank finch
more like 3 days ago
runic bough
long barn
Is 1 KIR = HO in ST?
fluid meadow
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bq96kc4DtGzrPBNf?fight=1&type=damage-done shit as hell don't try this at home and low key too
flat latch
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bq96kc4DtGzrPBNf?fight=1&type=damage-done s...
ya thats gross
gaunt phoenix
man who do i have to suck off to get flasks in top gear
gaunt phoenix
vivid vessel
i asked like 4 times in the suggestion thing
swear its only us
it drives me crazy
you should also ask
gaunt phoenix
well
enchants are tied to gear/item ids
the system is prob built to adjust item strings
but cant do that with consumables
idk
red zinc
Raid buffs work so the tech is there
gaunt phoenix
wdym
red zinc
Just extra work ig
runic bough
How can I sim on phone
latent oak
Raid buffs work so the tech is there
flasks are also there
runic bough
When im at work
teal marten
latent oak
u jsut cant sim multiple against each other
red zinc
Tru
runic bough
I need to save a simc copy before I leave the house maybe
gaunt phoenix
you can toggle a certain flask, just as you can toggle a raid buff, but cant add multiple flasks as part of the combinations to select
red zinc
U right
latent oak
u can plug something in to the bottom for it cant u?
i swear u could do that with food in df
red zinc
guess theyd have to be running entirely seperate sims or smth then
gaunt phoenix
i simmed audacity kir at some point when someone asked about it
the ST loss is extreme
the aoe loss is not too extreme cause you are mostly pressing deft anyway
but it's not winning anything
gaunt phoenix
u have to edit the rotation to willingly press ambush without HO so a normal sim still wont press ambush
runic bough
Yo I figured out how to sim on phone guys.
-
Go to droptimizer and select your toon.
-
Convert to simc code in the toon area.
-
Copy the simc code and use for topgear.
royal hollow
kir audacity, did we time travel back to df s1
vivid vessel
i just feel like a simmer rn
red zinc
sim dn
runic bough
latent oak
dont even need to copy the input, can just press run sim again or something
runic bough
Raidbot is different than wcl
runic bough
Yeah
So my trick is for those without login to raidbot
Although it's not formatted for phone
fluid meadow
i hope ryu will cook smthing and nasa will give a contract, i trust him
runic bough
Lets try desktop mode
Works okayish on desktop mode
Note
The copy from droptimizer doesn't show what's in bags.
Just equipped
So its a fail.
Will have to copy simc from in game and save on phone next time
Or make login
Just enable desktop browser and it's fine
Mobile browser is not formatted.
next shuttle
Question, in DFC if I cloak the purple circle from the final boss, does it still do damage to every player in it and reduce the candle light?
red zinc
ye
next shuttle
I have been running out and cloaking, but I see DK's in the mdi don't run out at all
runic bough
Mdi is a group defensive
vivid vessel
I have been running out and cloaking, but I see DK's in the mdi don't run out at...
can meld it
proven ocean
no
glass mortar
can meld it
and vanish it
vivid vessel
and vanish it
dks cant vanish
glass mortar
well maybe they shuld work on that?
runic bough
I just need to recraft ring to haste and I can go back to kir
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/edyxSvmRNpo6udSZfeBvfA
Poor fatebound -200k dps
Riperino
runic bough
I wasn't cooking I just wanted to kir again
I made it on phone maybe mistake
Let me see
vivid vessel
thats a negative cook my guy !
runic bough
Wait
Isn't that standard ho trickz
Maybe minus deft
Now I need to look at faq again
vivid vessel
ye you dont take deft as ho
runic bough
Either way I'm going back to kir tonight
tight kernel
Zac the ho king over here
upbeat tundra
San’layn: Pact of the San’layn now stores 25% of all Shadow damage dealt into Blood Beast (was 50%).
HAHAHA
haughty wigeon
haughty wigeon
San’layn: Pact of the San’layn now stores 25% of all Shadow damage dealt into Bl...
cool
still a rng mess
runic bough
Nice next week
potent gyro
I feel like that’s big or
runic bough
Meta getting more buffs its normal.
potent gyro
But I am an idiot so
runic bough
surreal flower
is this big or small
That’s just cutting blood beast damage in half pretty much
surreal flower
Like 4% in a key?
tight kernel
Aug reborn?
runic bough
vivid vessel
JUST STOP
tight kernel
You don’t want Aug meta back???? ???
potent gyro
Where are you seeing this cuh?
runic bough
Well atleast we forced a bug fix
potent gyro
I don’t see wowhead post
tight kernel
Outlaw deadge again aug meta gg was fun while it last
The outlaw buff is cooking for .7
dense bolt
prob bluetracker
runic bough
Enjoy our bug fix guys, will be awhile for another one.
Unless we can make outlaw as popular as ret
vivid vessel
why
fiery timber
BUFFING MAGE AGAIN WTFQTFTWTG
hollow temple
Frost mage one of the best specs lmao
they don't use spellslinger do they?
vivid vessel
its prolly a buff to talents they dont play
hollow temple
don't think so
vivid vessel
since its spellsinger
hollow temple
ye
proven ocean
“Yes wow they buffed a build they dont play so its ok lets keep sub in the dumpster”
vivid vessel
oh wait
fluid meadow
keep buffing rats, we need to reach 2 mill player on that spec
vivid vessel
i need to check aug discord
proven ocean
Aug looks good will try to find one for high keys
fiery timber
“Yes wow they buffed a build they dont play so its ok lets keep sub in the dumps...
Ye thats what i mean like wtf
runic bough
Mage got an outlaw treatment I guess
sullen wyvern
is augvoker meta back?
proven ocean
sullen wyvern
please tell me no
safe sapphire
Their killing this class
proven ocean
Does the 15% dmg increase their buffs to us?
proven ocean
If yes then its meta again i think
craggy barn
why would they come back, they still dont buff tanks/healers
runic bough
True
vivid vessel
lets keep aug trash thoguths ?
dense bolt
still not the same impact on healer/tanks like last season
red zinc
thats a 5% dungeon nerf pretty much
vivid vessel
i dontr wanan have to worry about aug again
sullen wyvern
agreed
vivid vessel
thats a 5% dungeon nerf pretty much
eh
runic bough
I havnt seen one Aug in s2 yet
midnight granite
HOW ARE THEY STILL BUFFING RET
midnight granite
SOMEONE EXPLAIN
runic bough
Ret is most popular class its based on popularity.
gaunt phoenix
all of them at once?
safe sapphire
It's popular because it's op and easy to get picked for keys
dense bolt
SOMEONE EXPLAIN
Idk prob looking at wcl raid
fiery timber
Ret is most popular class its based on popularity.
Yeah kinda true and sadge
proven ocean
all of them at once?
Why not
runic bough
That's why I said we need to make outlaw community bigger awhile back
So we can get random tunings like that
gaunt phoenix
i kind of thought sub rogue would get something
random stirrup
ya where tf is sub
proven ocean
sub 100% should've gotten a buff
vivid vessel
Ret buff is dogshit
who cares tho
red zinc
i just think the uhdk thing is so funny
vivid vessel
you seeing a lot of ret or what
sullen wyvern
yes zac, NA is plagued with rets everywhere
red zinc
you have an ability that fluctuates between like 3% of your overall and 13% depending on procs
potent gyro
My guild has 3 rets on progress
glass mortar
🤔
patent mirage
"this class bad but anyway we buff retris yes "
red zinc
instead of reducing variance they just make the ability poopy
glass mortar
these cant be full notes
runic bough
Bloodbeast was the big aoe dmg source wasn't it? Maybe nerf if other army of dead creatures suck.
vivid vessel
can someone
red zinc
law boomkin combo wombo
proven ocean
ok
vivid vessel
in their discord
dense bolt
so i can fuck them
huh
fiery timber
the aug guys
There Are aug guys around
gaunt phoenix
any augfuckers
vivid vessel
FUCK
random stirrup
it's so over
proven ocean
dense bolt
any augfuckers
HOLY
vivid vessel
FUCK
dense bolt
On topic
vivid vessel
bro this is legit so scary lol
you know if aug is meta again
game is back to being dead
cold jewel
craggy barn
think only thing im not sure on is why they used "army of the damned" instead of just magus of the dead
vivid vessel
so i can enjoy playing the game
guys
i cannot send it here
but timmy
is wild
bro wilding out
craggy barn
zac why would aug be meta, it literaly does nothing for tanks/healers
vivid vessel
he sned me insane stuffs in dms
proven ocean
game is back to being dead
thats true
vivid vessel
zac why would aug be meta, it literaly does nothing for tanks/healers
UFCK MAN
FUCK
red zinc
i mean if theres a big enough gap between the 2nd and 3rd dps spec
and aug does enough damage
you can definitely play it
red zinc
its just a dps thing now instead of utility
craggy barn
on M OAB so
dense bolt
I mean aug is perfect in this meta, vdh,boomie,priest,aug,mage its so back
red zinc
ITS ALWAYS THE SAME CLASSES
dense bolt
red zinc
glass mortar
i mean
these buffs dont increase augs buffing zac
its just personal power
if they buff them back to relevance, and its all just dps they do
thats just dev with extra steps?
red zinc
i mean
glass mortar
idk if itll really devalue us
red zinc
ebon might is still very strong
and breath got buffed recently
it definitely prefers burst specs
vivid vessel
idk if itll really devalue us
aug in group
cant have outlaw in grp
cant have any non meta spec in grp
is there any other spec
like that
red zinc
wait its only a 3% nerf for dk according to the tc guy
vivid vessel
litteraly the worse spec in the game
glass mortar
buffing ferals interesting
they were already pretty good in keys
not like, meta pick but very solid
tight kernel
I don’t think Aug is alive
craggy barn
its a raid buff
tight kernel
It’s still ded right?
fluid meadow
buffing ferals interesting
i haven't met with that much, but the worst thing is ret buff for avg players who not play that shit, legit 1st pick melee
tight kernel
Aug discord went from full cope to realizing it’s personal buff so spec still dead
tight kernel
Need to keep tabs on the opps tho
red zinc
when was the last time they BUFFED for m+
feels like they just buff for raid and nerf for m+ and thats pretty much it
random stirrup
the warrior buffs are kinda m+ buffs right
hollow temple
now the augs will come out of their caves like rats from holes
hollow temple
outlaw does more than boomkin
literally true, been running some 17s and always did more dps than UDK and Boomies, even more than some MAges xD
Outlaw Supremacy 
vivid vessel
Real real
upbeat tundra
IM READY
I KNEW THIS WAS COMING
IVE FORSEEN THIS TIMELINE
but hear me out
aug in phys comp
patent mirage
the prophecy is coming
upbeat tundra
im so fucking ready
upbeat tundra
What if Aug was bad with outlaw cause outlaw was bugged
yes
upbeat tundra
bro scalecommander aug with classes that have no cds
red zinc
asked him if the nerfs were live already
glass mortar
aug probably steals outlaw dps tbh
it steals damage from alot of specs hero talents
upbeat tundra
zac i timed a 15 flood week 1 of playing aug i swear this class is fine
glass mortar
cause they didnt add new hooks
xd
wouldnt be surprised if nimble flurry or something doesnt reatribbute
ornate heathBOT
Rogue abilities not being reattributed to Augs in logs:
Fate Intertwined Ethereal Rampage
More generaly:
- shifting sands does not reatribute damage buffed by external auras (think Smolderon orbs)
More information
upbeat tundra
aug doesnt even play mastery anymore
its just full crit haste
personal damage
with prio from scalecommander
vivid vessel
modest scarab
Good evening all, possibly a dumb question. For M+ which are the best two out of these three talents: Deft Manuevers, Precise Cuts, and Swift Slasher.
glass mortar
i mean honestly if they make aug like 85% personal dps 15% buffing allies
vivid vessel
It's just coin shit u guess
vivid vessel
Good evening all, possibly a dumb question. For M+ which are the best two out o...
I don't understand the question
upbeat tundra
i mean honestly if they make aug like 85% personal dps 15% buffing allies
this is basically what it is now exactly
gaunt phoenix
Good evening all, possibly a dumb question. For M+ which are the best two out o...
none of those are interchangeable with each other in our standard builds
like
upbeat tundra
aug is fun as fuck in keys and you also dont feel like a fucking idiot doing 0 dps when hitting cc buttons
gaunt phoenix
precise cuts is optional, but you dont swap it with deft/swift
modest scarab
I don't understand the question
I am figuring out which two out of those three to take. Feels like it should be Precise Cuts and Deft Manuevers
red zinc
glass mortar
what build r u playing from the FaQ?
deft is only taken as kir, and its always taken
PC can be swapped, but its not ever swapped with either of those talents
vivid vessel
I am figuring out which two out of those three to take. Feels like it should be...
Well you just play the builds in the faq, I'm kinda confused by the question
modest scarab
I prefer the playstyle of KiR but HO seems like it would be better until my gear is higher ilvl
glass mortar
HO doesnt play deft
u can play PC, or u can play ghostly
Swift slasher is also always played
(i believe but the build is n the FaQ)
modest scarab
Okay thank you all
tight kernel
Yup you’re welcome I’m glad I contributed
gaunt phoenix
Okay thank you all
the standard HO build picks 2 among the 3 circled talents, the rest is set in stone
modest scarab
Why wouldnt HO pick Deft manuevers?
gaunt phoenix
that blade flurry global is worse than ambush and pistol shot procs
HO doesnt really need the CP generation that deft provides
it's not bad but it's not winning over different talents
upbeat tundra
holy fuck i cannot wait to play aug
modest scarab
So with KiR you pick Triple Threat instead of Swift Slasher?
upbeat tundra
i want to play outlaw but i literally cant it's god's hardest battle getting into a single key
hasty warren
cto my beloved
gaunt phoenix
So with KiR you pick Triple Threat instead of Swift Slasher?
No KIR removes audacity to take triple threat
kir doesnt press ambush at all so audacity does nothing
modest scarab
Right, you lose audacity, take em by surprise and ho. But why do you take Triple Threat instead of Swift Slasher?
glass mortar
u take both
gaunt phoenix
you dont. KIR uses swift slasher
glass mortar
ur a pathing node
glass mortar
wow ok, i dont play this kir aoe build this season so thats new to me but i expected better of u2
hmm
modest scarab
Gotcha, so its just for pathing. Thank you again
glass mortar
i imagine the vers and SS are pretty close
probably like 1% apart if anything right
modest scarab
Is there a point where your haste level surpasses the vers?
gaunt phoenix
nope
modest scarab
Awesome, thank you for all the info.
timid idol
gaunt phoenix
the KIR build requires ~19% haste and then haste value falls off immediately
modest scarab
I am at exactly 19% now even though my rogue is only at 636 so thats awesome
gaunt phoenix
nice
red zinc
@vivid vessel just had a tank pull this in a ML
got three charges targeted on me and sent into fucking orbit
wish i clipped it
dense bolt
is bubbyBwax still a thing for ST
gaunt phoenix
i havent looked
vivid vessel
I need more context
gaunt phoenix
but i imagine its fine
vivid vessel
Un zoom
red zinc
vivid vessel
More
red zinc
no
red zinc
4 thugs
vivid vessel
Weird pack
viscid perch
how much is that unholy nerf tho?
red zinc
3-4%
strong cargo
the guy just wondered how to pull all the worst mobs togethers in this area, and nailed it
frozen zealot
Sorry to be a pain but could use some help, im in general a ranged dps/healer and have KSH every season, parse 80-90% etc, solid player, nothing special
But this season for some reason I had a craving to play outlaw rogue and I'm really struggling
I've been looking at the guides and comparing my logs to others and my main issue seems to be adrenaline rush up time
I'm using it correctly (for the most part) and using vanish to freeze it, but I just can't get it above 50-55% in m+ is there anything obvious I could be missing?
glass mortar
theres not really
a single way to fix AR uptime
ar uptime is downwind of the entire rotation
if u are casting it with the proper rules (on cd assuming you dont need to hold it for a mechanic)
red zinc
yeah itll just a summation of mistakes that can only really be pulled from a log
glass mortar
!commonerrors
ornate heathBOT
Common errors for Outlaw -> see this answer in the FAQ.
glass mortar
id highly recommend reading this section
outlaw really is about doing the whole package all at once to get the numbers
strong cargo
Sorry to be a pain but could use some help, im in general a ranged dps/healer an...
you should read #outlaw-faq also, you might be missing some crucial information
glass mortar
every mistake you make will have ramifications for AR uptime/energy etc
its all a big feedback loop
gaunt phoenix
if you have a log then the reason for 50-55% will jump out immediately cause that doesnt just happen
glass mortar
that is a LOT yea
gaunt phoenix
could be something silly like not having ambush bound in stealth
glass mortar
maybe like, using ambush as kir levels
or casting SS instealth as ho yea
simply not hitting your buttons fast enough is another common mistake
outlaw is a gcd capped spec, and the gcd is 0.8s
consistent delays will quickly lead to lower damage and ar uptime
frozen zealot
I bet that's part of it, I think I'm guilty of watching my combo point bar before I know what to cast, instead of knowing how much I'm generating and what should be next
glass mortar
yea not thinking ahead will slow you down for sure
its a reactionary spec, on most of your gcds you will be deciding between two possible buttons on the next gcd
but you can always know ahead of time what those two buttons will be
frozen zealot
Is there a channel here to get log advice?
gaunt phoenix
type !log to open a thread
deep cedar
hey guys is outlaw fine again after the fixes?
gaunt phoenix
yes
errant terrace
is the book of shadows updated?
gaunt phoenix
is the book of shadows updated?
dont think so
vivid vessel
law is doing well i had a feeling it might eat a small nerf even
You are wild solo
errant terrace
ah rip, was asked to try to evasion the coin in bandit
errant terrace
was gonna see if anyone else had tried
gaunt phoenix
i know you only think about 16/17s
vivid vessel
How would outlaw nerf make sense
gaunt phoenix
outlaw absolutely trucks ass in anything below that
gaunt phoenix
all the rets i play with suck ass then
vivid vessel
I wish they would just soft cap outlaw at least it would improve high keys viability without impacting low keys
But ye idk
I don't think you can tune low keys
Because cooldowns are litteraly worthless in low keys
So of course specs without CDs are going to look good
But idk thats just
Not something you can tune no?
And like you won't deplete a key in low keys cause your spec is less good than another
cinder relic
Well you can! It's with a Nerf
vivid vessel
While you will when you start doing higher keys
Not talking to you guy
Nice try tho
gaunt phoenix
i dont think law should get tuned ofc
cinder relic
I don't need your permission to speak
gaunt phoenix
just had a hunch it felt too stronk
vivid vessel
Eh idk
cinder relic
Outlaw is very good in low keys I agree but they don't generally balance around keys so
Doubt it happens
vivid vessel
It just feel weird that outlaw would just get nerfed anytime it's slightly good
glass mortar
i feel like if we were gunna be nerfed it wulda been tonight
vivid vessel
Just cause of low keys
glass mortar
we already ate a 7% nerf with the coup bug fix
vivid vessel
When low keys are not relevant for tuning
glass mortar
more then that doesnt feel necessary
vivid vessel
You don't need your spec to be good to do low keys
glass mortar
law isnt popular enough for it dominating +10s to matter imo
ur never gunna see people seeking it out
cinder relic
we already ate a 7% nerf with the coup bug fix
10%
vivid vessel
Idk low keys balance is just mega weird so
cinder relic
20%! Take it or leave it
river escarp
glass mortar
i think blizzard wuld be unhinged to nerf law rn
hollow temple
glass mortar
it feels strong, especially in the keys im playing
but it scales negatively with key level
glass mortar
yea
vivid vessel
If you won't let it be good in real keys
glass mortar
i mean a nerf to our normal damage range and a ~12% buff to our scaling up to 20
vivid vessel
Cause of low keys
dense bolt
Why not just soft cap then
because 8 target cap is a niche ! and it beats every spec at 8 targets !!!!!!
we dont want softcap
cinder relic
Outlaw loses to random specs on random pulls but outlaw is a spec that's a marathon not a sprint
You guys should know that
glass mortar
i mean if u pull 8 targets every pull a whole key
vivid vessel
Idk why you always say that
glass mortar
there is definitly specs that beat u on average
even being a cd spec and losing on other pulls
we arent like number 1 at that
vivid vessel
We also just lose at the end lol idk