Gooner has nothing to do with the old goon
#outlaw
frail veldt
proven ocean
thoughts? @vivid vessel
vivid vessel
so cool so you can proc ace and waste 1 milliard cp
frail veldt
But yapper means yapper still
vivid vessel
for no reason
cinder haven
How would tornado trigger interact with crackshot and ace tho
late swallow
Gooner has nothing to do with the old goon
i'm talking about yapping not gooning
glass mortar
that was my point
patent mirage
like you cast bte lets say 5 times , and you gain a buff that boosts its dmg by 5 times
frail veldt
Yeah those are different situations
vivid vessel
thoughts? <@352916297262301194>
COW !
glass mortar
didnt tornado trigger not proc ace or anything
proven ocean
guys
glass mortar
it was just passive damage i though
red zinc
Just make it use bte in the same gcd with the combo points gained from FTH
proven ocean
?!?!
late swallow
when i'm in a semantics competition, and my opponent is @frail veldt
vivid vessel
Just make it use bte in the same gcd with the combo points gained from FTH
waht for
late swallow
proven ocean
?!
vivid vessel
and you want that to be a capstone
cinder haven
So if tt procs ace it fires bte again
vivid vessel
thats even less gamplay thn gsw lol
patent mirage
like gsw : each bte cast , grants a stackable buff that increases the next ps dmg by x%
cinder haven
And again
proven ocean
NEW INFINITE DPS BUILD INVEST NOW TILL ITS TOO LATE NO MORE RUPTURES?? ENVENOM KS THE NEW KING?! 999 MILLION EVENOMS CRITS
glass mortar
ur just buffing GSW now
which is w/e
it needs buffs
but ur not making it a better talent
its not interesting
and we arent making it interesting
proven ocean
<a:alert:1350140970968158370> NEW INFINITE DPS BUILD <a:alert:135014097096815837...
do u guys like my yap
i wrote it
rly funny right
red zinc
ok thats it
late swallow
poggers?
vivid vessel
!ban @proven ocean fat cows
runic bough
Guys what do you think about our auto attacks giving 1 cp like it used to or still does for sub?
proven ocean
what
late swallow
it's the new slang
glass mortar
it could be something like, everytime you cast BtE you gain a proc of oppurtunity
late swallow
it came back like yap
proven ocean
im confused
glass mortar
if this proc would overcap, it fires off automatically
vivid vessel
Guys what do you think about our auto attacks giving 1 cp like it used to or sti...
thats the most cancer shit ever
runic bough
Hmm
frail veldt
Guys what do you think about our auto attacks giving 1 cp like it used to or sti...
oh god no
cinder haven
We really don’t need more cp
vivid vessel
it could be something like, everytime you cast BtE you gain a proc of oppurtunit...
wait i said that !
frail veldt
thats awful
vivid vessel
is mdi up
runic bough
U didn't like it on sub?
vivid vessel
no its trash
frail veldt
U didn't like it on sub?
no
runic bough
Lol oh well
glass mortar
We really don’t need more cp
could make it so automatic procs dont grant CP
idea being it either gives you bonus free damage on BtE casts, or if you have low resources (no PS procs) it gives u PS procs
would make pressing BtE between crackshots feel better
cinder haven
Something that makes a finisher hit harder would be nice
cinder relic
more cpe more bte more rtb more
frail veldt
Something that makes a finisher hit harder would be nice
Yeha I would love a longer running buff that could be consumed for a yuge finisher
like finishers out of stealth gives a stacking buff that is consumed by your first bte in stealth
red zinc
They should make a spell where you can spend your combo points to rain down cannonballs, that spawns a pirate every 30 cp you spend, and the pirates attacks generate more combo points
wait thats just s3 destro in sl
glass mortar
PS shots increase the damage of ur next BtE by 30%, stacking up to 6 times
but thats boring idk
runic bough
roll the bones now makes a jackpot sound effect when 5 or more buffs and does a 2mil dmg to all targets within 5 yards
cinder haven
Kinda boring but better than current gsw
frail veldt
***roll the bones now makes a jackpot sound effect when 5 or more buffs and does...
5 yard radius why do you hate yourself?
cinder relic
WHEN YOU PRESS BTE 500 CANNONS APPEAR AND THEY EEACH GIVE YOU AN AWAKENED RTB BUFF
glass mortar
make it stack up for each bte cast, make it buff all the shots of FtH
hollow temple
Make Mastery generate 5x the energy Haste does
glass mortar
theres multiple ways to do it
but i thought we were cooking fun reworks to gsw
not just buffs to it
its not hard to buff imo
runic bough
Haha
glass mortar
u just make it work with crackshot and its playable already
patent mirage
u baboon
glass mortar
make it so the bte buff stacks
runic bough
Well its uncapped targets
red zinc
make it so the bte buff stacks
rextroy oneshot music
glass mortar
we are so far away from 1 shotting anything
GSW PS crits hit for like 1m damage in pvp
hollow temple
Guys I want 75 GCDs per minute !!!!
glass mortar
u could buff that shit 500%
elder phoenix
Idk why but they should just make outlaw a semi range class imo like how rets were
glass mortar
and it wouldnt 1 shot in pvp
frail veldt
GSW PS crits hit for like 1m damage in pvp
yuge
elder phoenix
might as well like i dont even have a gun item slot but for some reason i can shoot something
glass mortar
yea its not bad damage mewo
glass mortar
i mean GSW should have been reworked to work with crackshot a long time ago
frail veldt
yeah crackshot and gsw dont play well together
glass mortar
the buff u get to PS shots should stack up to like 10 times and be slightly smaller or something
frail veldt
and unfortunatley crackshot is too op
glass mortar
alot smaller ig
frail veldt
but yeah this has been discussed before but the GSW buff should just stack
glass mortar
theres ways to make it work
frail veldt
thats it
glass mortar
its not interesting either way
patent mirage
i mean GSW should have been reworked to work with crackshot a long time ago
you cant say that when ks is the same since 2008
frail veldt
just anytihng more than 1
glass mortar
you cant say that when ks is the same since 2008
do u think i dont think kspree should have been reworked since 2008?
red zinc
maybe to like 2 or 3 stacks
nah but what if you get 10 ace procs in a row
glass mortar
two things can be true at the same time guys
glass mortar
nobody in here is gunna be defending kspree
fallen knot
wunderbar is basically echo, why arent they called echo i hate it
cinder haven
The talent in the gsw spot has to compete with gs also, so it needs to beat gs soundly in aoe while also costing at most maybe 3-4% st?
patent mirage
either gsw should stack with each fth stack
vivid vessel
wunderbar is basically echo, why arent they called echo i hate it
because nawoh hates echo now
cinder haven
Or they could nerf gs i guess
patent mirage
or bte casts , apply a stackable buff that increase the dmg of next ps
runic bough
GSW is no longer consumed by 1 pistol shot. It is now a buff for xx seconds.
cinder haven
Wouldn’t really mind that
fallen knot
but he playes with them helooooooooooooooooooooo
glass mortar
The talent in the gsw spot has to compete with gs also, so it needs to beat gs s...
or it could you know, beat ghostly in aoe and st
vivid vessel
but he playes with them helooooooooooooooooooooo
not echo
glass mortar
would anyone complain
frail veldt
The talent in the gsw spot has to compete with gs also, so it needs to beat gs s...
It already is kinda close
vivid vessel
some echo players
frail veldt
if you sim it
vivid vessel
its differnet
glass mortar
is anyone enjoying ghostly at this point
frail veldt
GS vs GSW in Dslice is like 2% apart
vivid vessel
fuck gs i hate it
frail veldt
same
runic bough
Gsw is now like hunter machine gun
fallen knot
i know you're right but when i think about echo i think of gingi
fallen knot
and i cringe
cinder haven
Yeah GS is no fun
glass mortar
and punishes target swapping
fallen knot
when is fragnance
frail veldt
I think if GSW buff stacked it might already beat GS in dslice
like if it stacked to 3
frail veldt
thats all youd need tbh
glass mortar
if gsw was buffed to beat ghostly st and aoe id play it in a second
idc that its boring
ghostly is less then boring
the only interactions u get to have with ghostly are negative
frail veldt
I think GS should win in ST
vivid vessel
i hate how gs locks me down to a target
patent mirage
we all want gsw to come back
frail veldt
but id rather have them change gsw over just raw buffing it
some flexibility in the buff consumption
frail veldt
ghostly is pretty lame yeah
glass mortar
one of these is more pressing then any of the others
late swallow
GSGS = green skins ghostly strike
glass mortar
ghostly is pretty lame yeah
its lame, and high impact
thats why it sucks
this passive, painful capstone
is 12% of ur st
runic bough
...and just like that, Ryukage got the outlaws to talk about GSW once again.
runic bough
late swallow
and ryu got tobfon to talk about it
glass mortar
chat was just moving so fast u guys didnt notice
late swallow
therefore....?
glass mortar
dont think ryu did
cinder haven
Kinda easy to set this chat off
glass mortar
gsw is inoffensive. its undertuned, doesnt work well with modern design and is a capstone but it doesnt hurt ur play like several other talents that warrent reworks do
so we dont talk about it as much
higher priorities
runic bough
There are so many nodes that need rework though alltogether
cinder haven
Ah so now we move on to ks rework
patent mirage
We can't have riposte change
glass mortar
i think im good on that topic
we've reinvented that wheel as many times as we can at this point
runic bough
Yes moving on to reworks!
glass mortar
the ball is in blizzards court
runic bough
Also true
cinder haven
the ball is in blizzards court
Firmly
runic bough
We have given 1000's of ways to go about it
glass mortar
all we do by reworking kspree over and over is make ourselves cope harder
its not hard to fix
cinder haven
Haste cap?
glass mortar
id prefer a big rework but even small changes could make it better
any change at all
i beg
cold jewel
hear me out. take away RtB, have Count the Odds proc off of every BtE so that you have to keep up the flow of the spec to keep your buff uptime. Keep Ace procc rate the same.
glass mortar
on my hands and knees
cold jewel
thoughts?
restive obsidian
Rogues aren't changing until next expansion if we're lucky
glass mortar
should never have gotten past the drawing board
"what if we gave rogues wotlk stat cap"
cinder haven
hear me out. take away RtB, have Count the Odds proc off of every BtE so that yo...
I don’t hate it
glass mortar
i think CtO should just not be removed when u press RtB
vivid vessel
hear me out. take away RtB, have Count the Odds proc off of every BtE so that yo...
i dont think i would mind it
glass mortar
none of this container buff nonsense
if it gets overwritten, its overwritten
otherwise, u just got a proc of 10s of a RtB buff
restive obsidian
i think CtO should just not be removed when u press RtB
the worst part is it used to not during shadowlands
vivid vessel
like having rtb just comes from a mega buffed cto instead of prssing the button
restive obsidian
at least at one point it did
vivid vessel
why not
cinder haven
But if they remove rtb what will trigger sc?
vivid vessel
But if they remove rtb what will trigger sc?
VANIHS
cinder haven
Yeah would be fine
cold jewel
numbers would have to be adjusted ofc im not a number/balancing guy but i think it would make the spec fun, feel relatively the same while also getting rid of a maintenance button. think it could be good
runic bough
hear me out. take away RtB, have Count the Odds proc off of every BtE so that yo...
Yeah this is nice, I never liked rtb anyway.
glass mortar
i mean that would be a much more normalized version of law, every vanish would be effectively a 5-6 buff right
ud need to make CtO last longer tho
or itd time out between vanishes and ud have zero buffs
cinder haven
It solves one of the more complicated parts of outlaw
runic bough
We wouldn't need a community rtb wa anymore
glass mortar
it also makes downtime more punishing
cinder haven
We wouldn't need a community rtb wa anymore
Just a kir one
glass mortar
u cant vanish to upkeep buffs > all ur buffs fall off > u cant get cdr efficiency on vanish > ur next vanish starts with zero buffs
thats pretty punishing
cinder haven
It’ll make the loop even loopier yeah
runic bough
Next vanish with zero buffs why
cold jewel
what if CtO odds stayed the same for regular dispatch casts so you dont get turbo fucked outside of vanish
glass mortar
itd still be hyper loopy
keen belfry
what should i craft and upgrade guys i have 2 crafts and a lot of crests can someone guide me
cold jewel
not sure how difficult that would be with bte casting dispatch in windows but
glass mortar
like entering a vanish with a 5 buff almost guarenteeds u get another 5 buff during vanish
cold jewel
like programming wise
glass mortar
if u enter a vanish naked u could easily come out of it with 2-3 buffs
if u dont get really good rng
runic bough
Cto is no longer needed if bte gives buffs. Make cto extend buff times by like 5 seconds of 1 buff or something.
cold jewel
Cto is no longer needed if bte gives buffs. Make cto extend buff times by like 5...
well it does because it would be too punishing otherwise i think
glass mortar
ive thought about ways to automate RtB over the years
i think anyway would take a substantial rework to how the ability functions tho
we really dont want to do anything thats gunna make law more punishing with downtime
i think we are about peaked on that design
making stuff work better around boss mechanics should be the goal
cold jewel
we really dont want to do anything thats gunna make law more punishing with down...
ya i agree with this
zealous plinth
You all speculating so much, you think we get a rework with 11.1.7?^^
glass mortar
11.1.7? almost no chance
cold jewel
glass mortar
if theres zero changes on ptr as of now (there are)
we are hoping for a rework in the nebulious future
zealous plinth
we are hoping for a rework in the nebulious future
Ah so 3 more addons to go 🤣
glass mortar
11.2 at the latest for a kspree rework or im probably done with the game
a full season of this is already too long
vivid vessel
the fact there is no class changes yet
is concerning
we are really going to go 2 aptches without class changes
or what
glass mortar
it was funny haha for like the first month
before i was doing 13s and 14s
its not funny anymore
zealous plinth
we are really going to go 2 aptches without class changes
Wasnt latest changes df s3?
glass mortar
he means class changes in general
the hunter/mage/shaman reworks and such
11.1.5 had no major class changes, or minor even really
zealous plinth
Ah
glass mortar
now 11.1.7 also has nothing on our first peek
lime lake
wicked obsidian
that's the new "Blizzard is listening". Almost 80% who is playing Outlaw is complaining about KS. What does Blizzard do? Completely ignoring it
cold jewel
Max are you planning on playing Sharkshoes next tier?
runic bough
Granted this company is more based on player retention than game fixes unfortunately. It would be nice if game fixes were the main focus.
cold jewel
and gave full cps
maybe call it something like Death Marked or something. could be cool
timber knoll
Hey you can get class changes or you can get underdeveloped addons to the base UI
wicked obsidian
Max are you planning on playing Sharkshoes next tier?
Already doing that this tier 😉
shut lichen
and gave full cps
bro wants mfd back
cold jewel
glass mortar
nerf the damage amp (to zero)
glass mortar
make it do damage on cast and give 5 cp
vivid vessel
its fun that way
glass mortar
make it get bonus cdr from kills
or a full reset even
make it cost like 10 energy
this ability is already 100X more fun to play
then currently ghostly
cold jewel
standard deviation chart meme with MfD would go so hard
glass mortar
took us 5s of cooking
cold jewel
someone whip it up
glass mortar
i mean the mouseover stuff is too much
wicked obsidian
but in fact i have some love/hate feelings to trickster because KS. It gives the little something in the relationship
glass mortar
i dont think they want that coming back
vital venture
does someone have the sim lines with all consumables
glass mortar
but just like, ghostly strike, does X damage, generates 5CP, ogcd, 1.5m cd
whenever a mob you are damaging dies, you it gets refunded
runic bough
What would be cool is to see outlaw usable in tournements
runic bough
I want to see Zac play in tournements
vivid vessel
making it so the addon show m+ parses
glass mortar
vivid vessel
i swear i could get into keys if people knew how much damage i was doing
cold jewel
just like, uncap us bro. like it aint that hard. ill even finally accept the loss of acro
vivid vessel
i litteraly outdamage every pug for like 3 weeks
cold jewel
(i wont)
glass mortar
its too late uve burned ur name into the minds of the whole french pug community
vivid vessel
your best dps per key
glass mortar
with ur fragrant killing spree usage
vivid vessel
written down
digital linden
do m+ logs even mean anything?
runic bough
I write OUTLAW FIXED GG DMG in my notes when I apply lol
cold jewel
do m+ logs even mean anything?
raid logs are fake m+ logs are eternal
digital linden
all day i have been queueing keys, i get like 1 accept for every 40 denies on cinderbrew
runic bough
Yeah I'm still glad I went herbing for during que times
I just wish I could see camouflage herbs without the phile going to waste
But they are pretty cheap now
vital venture
all day i have been queueing keys, i get like 1 accept for every 40 denies on ci...
thats the pug experience on every class tbh
im pretty sure i spent 90% of my playtime applying to keys on my boomie lol
gotta be a tank or heal
digital linden
😭
vital venture
like the logic for pugs is the following
first 2 keys into a new key level = MUST BE dfc or ml or u dont get invites
cus higher rio ppl dont apply to those
astral glen
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
vital venture
and ur last 3 have to be flood/psf/brew
cus otherwise they dont take u
or last 1-2
astral glen
Hmm, heyyy Outlaw people? Does anyone know if there's some sort of WA to track the cooldown of Ghostly Strike? oo Luxthos & Zac's don't seem to do it (or I'm dumb, it's possible)
digital linden
Hmm, heyyy Outlaw people? Does anyone know if there's some sort of WA to track t...
its an easy change tho i just found it in the wa
and changed it
also luxthos
im pretty sure 100% had it
xd
digital linden
and ur last 3 have to be flood/psf/brew
true
sitting on psf brew last 2 i need for resi 15
not even a matter of difficulty atp
just getting into groups is the rough partt
vivid vessel
pretty icon
gaunt phoenix
true
vital venture
saw 2 ppl like yesterday in a pug heroic
they had 190+ keys completed at 15+
i should become like them instead of applying
💀
vital venture
i mean very rarely u find the people that are like "yo this rogue is high rio surely he must know what he's doing"
u prob just do ur own key over and over and over and over realistically
gaunt phoenix
@vivid vessel i made the faq priority a small apl as if it was the one button rotation https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8fw1k4z9xa7ij3nBMVP7FX
pretty good
vivid vessel
hm
are you sure you didnt miss something
you arent using trinket
oh you are
are you
gaunt phoenix
it does
vivid vessel
why is it at the bottom like that
gaunt phoenix
idk i just put it there
vivid vessel
swear its supposed to be closer
back when
i checked
i was testing the rules and they were all so close
vivid vessel
ah ye
astral glen
its an easy change tho i just found it in the wa
Oh huh! I'll have to check into it then, thanks 😄
bright crane
Hmm, heyyy Outlaw people? Does anyone know if there's some sort of WA to track t...
Luxothos for sure tracks it
gaunt phoenix
maybe the simple prio should mention it
vivid vessel
this should say to not press when ks ready at least
otherwise it wont ever ks
thats prettyu bad
astral glen
I found it! Thanks people 💖
vivid vessel
like i dont think you need to include the 30s thing to even be good
tight kernel
Yo Zac
vivid vessel
just not vanishing if ks ready is prolly more than enough
astral glen
this should say to not press when ks ready at least
(And to emphasize how much interface counts: ever since I changed my keybinds and started using your WA I went from a sad 900k DPS to 1.7m on One-Armed Bandit. which... is less than I should do still, but it's already a huge help! So. Thanks for making it 😄 )
tight kernel
How much fps u get in raid
vivid vessel
well ye
but thats casue its how it is in the faq thing tho
it shouldnt be that way
gaunt phoenix
well it says ks is higher prio even tho its in finishers
latent oak
have u tested with unoptimal gear sets aswell solo
bc these things prolly gunna be used by ppl with random gear equipped which kinda changes hwo blizz wants to approach it i imagine
gaunt phoenix
The prio doesnt really change if you have negative haste
if anything it becomes more important idk
vivid vessel
well it says ks is higher prio even tho its in finishers
ye but it doesnt say to not vanish with ks ready
gaunt phoenix
if ks is higher prio not sure it needs to specify
gaunt phoenix
can do this instead
vivid vessel
ye
i mean thats quite good
a shame blizzard will never do that
bunch of noobs no cap
gaunt phoenix
no capo
latent oak
does anyone have a wa to annouce if i've distracted a mob
craggy barn
dont know if thats even possible since it doesnt apply a debuff or anything
unless u just want a wa that yells that u used distract
looks like there is one from classic
ah its just a cd timer and the "debuff" timer no actual confirmation of distracting a real target
vital venture
is there a list of tech we can do with distract even?
i remember a friend told me u can distract a miniboss towards xav in top
but not sure if true
novel pier
if there is something moving u dont want to pull
prob distract to it doesnt pull
or less chance
vivid vessel
best distract we have rn is the one in ml i think
distract the big dude
after pull 1
oh and distract the robots in workshpo
vital venture
u mean this guy right
vivid vessel
ye
analog fog
hello what trinkets i shd run on tr ? im noob
latent oak
ya u can distract the patrolling drill in workshop
vivid vessel
hello what trinkets i shd run on tr ? im noob
priory trinket to sync up with dm
analog fog
outlaw
jolly geyser
get a profile pic wox and yungman
viral flume
This is troll im sure but is there any talent i can take instead of killing spree and not int myself to hell?
dying once cuz of it is so bad
storm drum
This is troll im sure but is there any talent i can take instead of killing spre...
yeah its called assa
viral flume
no
fathom bramble
you could run fatebound, but it's a significant loss in keys
jolly geyser
use ultra instinct
gaunt phoenix
This is troll im sure but is there any talent i can take instead of killing spre...
use ks at low cp
should be like within -5% dps to do it all the time
tacit pier
!bug
ornate heathBOT
[Outlaw bug Thread](#1276315296159760467 message)
craggy barn
has anyone simmed the nightfall psuedo set
gaunt phoenix
who
vivid vessel
who
latent oak
robots ?
its fucked, u cant blind first pull of workshop, but u can blind the dogs before 2nd boss
both are mechanical
craggy barn
i just noticed these
gaunt phoenix
might be good at mythic ilvl
vivid vessel
its fucked, u cant blind first pull of workshop, but u can blind the dogs before...
bro
i legit
never knew about this
craggy barn
champ only so prob bad
latent oak
both are mechanical
vivid vessel
i was blinding them
latent oak
so idk why u cant blind them
vivid vessel
but no
craggy barn
maybe good enough for me since im still on champ cloak + 1 hero trinket
vivid vessel
outlaw is litteraly useless on this pul
craggy barn
idk
vivid vessel
you do tank damage
latent oak
ya it is
latent oak
dks cant stop either
craggy barn
guess its time for the bot
latent oak
since theirs is a blind
gaunt phoenix
maybe good enough for me since im still on champ cloak + 1 hero trinket
Raw vers trinket is historically good
assuming it is not under stat budget
craggy barn
im checking rn
vivid vessel
why is there 30 interrupts that all one shot
if legit nothing can stop it
unless you have sigil + beam
gaunt phoenix
that agility bonus might not be implemented in simc
latent oak
i thought it was all mechanicals cant be blinded
vivid vessel
thats so stupid
keen belfry
so how do you play KS in rookery
reef forge
if legit nothing can stop it
tauren time
craggy barn
vers stat stick more valuable in aoe right
gusty dew
so how do you play KS in rookery
Alive
bright crane
so how do you play KS in rookery
First you enter the dungeon, then you gotta click the ability when you have enough CPs
lone spear
so how do you play KS in rookery
sad the whole way
fallen knot
First you enter the dungeon, then you gotta click the ability when you have enou...
you forgot you have to pray aswell
vivid vessel
its weird
gaunt phoenix
vers stat stick more valuable in aoe right
ye
keen belfry
you cant KS at all during bnird laser right
bright crane
Right
lone spear
unless u wanna use cloak
bright crane
Can only do it when not in laser
lone spear
u cannot
fathom bramble
yeah you just get stunned
lone spear
https://www.youtube.com/live/iEVJf--xGT0?si=muGrb50acTjrMm5H&t=233
holy sound effects batman
craggy barn
simming both rn shrug
fathom bramble
imagine if KS had CC immunity like it use to
vivid vessel
bro
fathom bramble
there's like 3 whole bosses that it would improve
frank finch
gaunt phoenix
i keep pressing stoneform thinking it is goblin jump
gaunt phoenix
ye
vivid vessel
bottom is coup stacks
top is ub stacks
i just pressed ks so i have 2 available
the first ss after ks doesnt give me one coup
but the ss just after
does
toguhts ???
gaunt phoenix
lone spear
i feel like ive had that happen before too
latent oak
more likely to be a wa bug than a game bug perhaps?
vivid vessel
this has been hanneping to me often and im never sure
vivid vessel
more likely to be a wa bug than a game bug perhaps?
no cuase
i have 3 coup stacks
thats just a buff you can see it
i just pressed ks
sooooo
i should have 2
and why does the second ss after ks gives me one eb
latent oak
u hit into the shield bozo
lone spear
this is why melee get a bad rap
vivid vessel
dodge the bird shit
and i have to position
behind shiueld ?
thats what you are saying
latent oak
:)
vivid vessel
wtf man
fathom bramble
does the ub actually go off and not give a stack
vivid vessel
and how do i even see the shield
vivid vessel
does the ub actually go off and not give a stack
ye
fathom bramble
or does SS missing make UB not trigger
latent oak
with ur eyes typically
vivid vessel
let me find log
fathom bramble
that's the real question
latent oak
do u play on low effects
vivid vessel
no
latent oak
or might be a stream bitrate thing idk
vivid vessel
lol
ok buit
watch thje clip
IM BEHIND THE HSIELD MAN
WDYM
ss here
thoughts ?
lemme check log
what does B means
latent oak
u got skill diffed by the npc simple as
vivid vessel
bro
every other spell goes trhogh ?
but not that singular ss ?
wdym
im behind also
this is shit
why does this guy has a shield
and where does the shield aim at
is it the frontal
timber knoll
Sock ray blue
vivid vessel
ah he cast shield to shaman i see
dawn talon
IM BEHIND THE HSIELD MAN
it's directional
sour wyvern
Anyone have a WA/addon that you're 1hr tricks isn't applied?
dawn talon
if first hit of KS teleports you in front of the shield
vivid vessel
and im behind it
vivid vessel
sounds fake i have never had a ks fail on this pack
and im targeting that dude alwyas
dawn talon
it can only happen if you're directly on the mob
at least to me
i tested it in an m0
vivid vessel
idk what this means
dawn talon
you go try too
vivid vessel
no i dont htink i will
dawn talon
then just believe my schizo attempt to figure out why the fuck my ks and only my ks just fails randomly
celest cobalt
then just believe my schizo attempt to figure out why the fuck my ks and only my...
You know KS is a spender and takes CP now right? :p
jolly geyser
no
craggy barn
ye
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mxAgBPe4HX7dgNEBrN88Xr
cloak is -.2%
trinket is -.2%
on their own
compared to a 5/7 hero signet
in slice
so maybe worth it hmmmmmm
imma get em just for fun fuck it
timber knoll
You know what trinket simmed well for me was the Algari alchemist trinket idk if it’s any good tho
craggy barn
its better than most non mythic trinkets at 675
vivid vessel
!fuu
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latent oak
For raid pre pull I'm just casting rtb and AR right
wait until boss is pulled to press
if u pre adr u lose the cps
and u can only carry 2 supercharged cps into boss combat so if u already have 2 u just lose 2 if u pre rtb too
wintry copper
gotcha ty
frail veldt
if u pre adr u lose the cps
dont you lose the buff too now?
or did they back that out
gaunt phoenix
naw theyy reverted that
hollow temple
all those people in LFG offering their Resil keys for 30-50k tip / try is absolutely insane x
xD
upbeat tundra
all those people in LFG offering their Resil keys for 30-50k tip / try is absolu...
honestly im thinkin about paying it
frail veldt
all those people in LFG offering their Resil keys for 30-50k tip / try is absolu...
makes sense to me
upbeat tundra
beats sitting in dornogol
frail veldt
sounds cheap
upbeat tundra
i would legit just pay for an invite
hollow temple
better not normalizing it 😛
gaunt phoenix
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mxAgBPe4HX7dgNEBrN88Xr
cloak is -.2%
trin...
honestly i would still use magnet
upbeat tundra
better not normalizing it 😛
the alternative is not playing
hollow temple
these people eventually just want to up their RESIL key to keep pushing the next higher level
gaunt phoenix
it's like always the same as grinder for me
frail veldt
grinder cranks I love it
gaunt phoenix
and the stacking is nice sometimes
daring oxide
X
frail veldt
wish I had a higher track magnet
latent oak
ya my hero magnet loses to ratfang
frail veldt
https://x.com/Archimtiros/status/1918366442170237210
very interesting
so their apl isnt that bad
latent oak
although i guess magnet undersims?
frail veldt
assisted being only 4% behind
latent oak
since u have wiggleroom to get better casts
frail veldt
tthe 1 button penalty hurts for arms though it seems
glass mortar
u can only get better casts if a fight lets u somehow buff a cast
like a damage amp or aoe or something
latent oak
which is alot of fights no?
frail veldt
I mean the same is true for geargrinders though right?
it does way more damage in aoe than st
but I guess you cant hold it
without loss
like you can with magnet
latent oak
ya exactly
gaunt phoenix
that's interesting
latent oak
i guess undersims is wrong word to describe it
gaunt phoenix
think outlaw losing 0.2s is already more than a 5% loss
latent oak
magnet just has more value than the sim would suggest
gaunt phoenix
regardless of the rotation logic
vivid vessel
https://x.com/Archimtiros/status/1918366442170237210
this is scary cause
you know most pugs arent doing 30% close to thier sim dps
frail veldt
think outlaw losing 0.2s is already more than a 5% loss
well for arms its somehow a 17% loss
which is way more than I figured
cinder haven
One button won’t position for you
frail veldt
100%
vivid vessel
scary shit
frail veldt
ngl most people will prob use the hekili esque part of it
craggy barn
honestly i would still use magnet
shrug my magnet is only hero, ud still use it over other stuff tho?
gaunt phoenix
well for arms its somehow a 17% loss
oh i cant read, the 5-10% losses is just the rotation without gcd delay
frail veldt
oh i cant read, the 5-10% losses is just the rotation without gcd delay
ye
which is surprisingly low
considering how simple their apl is
glass mortar
I mean the same is true for geargrinders though right?
well this trinket isnt flexible tho
magnet is flexible
frail veldt
ye I said dat lol
glass mortar
also
isnt it a 0.3s delay?
i thought the tooltip said 0.2s when they revealed it but in ptr its actually 0.3s
gaunt phoenix
i saw that but wasnt sure
daring oxide
Well for fury their APL imo is very basic
Even blizzard should be able to get it right
frail veldt
i thought the tooltip said 0.2s when they revealed it but in ptr its actually 0....
Ah that would make more sense why it cost so much DPS
daring oxide
Arms*
vivid vessel
within 5% type shit
hollow temple
all those people in LFG offering their Resil keys for 30-50k tip / try is absolu...
report em
vivid vessel
and its fairly simple
glass mortar
its a bit of a weird thing because like
if they rlly wanted to they could basically implement a full apl in the macro
gaunt phoenix
yeah the faq can be reduced to a very minimal apl
glass mortar
and then just add the delay
and it might be as little as 5% for some specs
but would that be healthy
frail veldt
Yeah tbh theres gonna be a lot of outlaw players who use the blizzkili
vivid vessel
Yeah tbh theres gonna be a lot of outlaw players who use the blizzkili
eeh
frail veldt
And prob do pretty solid DPS
daring oxide
Yeah but do you think outlaw one button assist is gonna be able to do KIR well?
glass mortar
yea saeldur said for most specs ur probably inting if u dont have this button bound
even as a mythic raider
having a button u can mash while ur not paying attention doing mechanics
frail veldt
Yeah I'm not saying the 1 button
glass mortar
thats doing 90% of ur total dps
glass mortar
is pretty op
frail veldt
Just the hekili part
glass mortar
yeaaaa
glass mortar
i dont really like the idea of it being optimal for everyone to have this button bound
fluid meadow
why same penalty for everybody? i mean outlaw 0,2 sec can't compare to casters and others, and outlaw with 0,2 sec penalty will be legit just autoattack playing
vivid vessel
and i will see it !
glass mortar
even if they arent primarily using it
vivid vessel
i will check your logs
latent oak
they dont want it to be optimal no?
patent mirage
i want a button that casts only killing spree
vivid vessel
im nblocking you
patent mirage
nothing else
glass mortar
they dont want it to be optimal no?
doesnt matter if its optimal
if its 5% worse then optimal
hollow temple
oiutlaw is prolly the spec that lose the most
More ways THE MAN is holding us Outlaws down!!!!!!!!!!!!
glass mortar
ud be trolling if u didnt use it
red zinc
it wont be
daring oxide
I agree outlaw would lose the most
glass mortar
very few mythic raiders r doing their rotation perfectly while doing mechanics on prog
gaunt phoenix
yes im not sure energy classes should get 0.3s reduction if it wants to be "fair"
glass mortar
if u had a button u could thoughtlessly mash during these periods
vivid vessel
very few mythic raiders r doing their rotation perfectly while doing mechanics o...
i am !
glass mortar
to do 95% of ur potential dps
frank finch
im nblocking you
what if i play outlaw clean and i juice playing other specs?
glass mortar
u see what i mean
daring oxide
The 0.2 gcd delay would cancel out ADR and the cdr loss overtime would be huge dps loss
ADR uptime would be garbage I imagine
glass mortar
if its 0.3s its probably laughably bad for law
daring oxide
Yes
glass mortar
even 0.2s is alot
daring oxide
It’s 0.3?
gaunt phoenix
do they actually want this sim feedback? i was just kind of doing it for funsies
glass mortar
some people testing it on ptr told me its actually 0.3s
vivid vessel
well 0.3s is litteraly just 30% damage loss so
daring oxide
they changed it apparently yeah
Ah ok
glass mortar
even tho they advirtised 0.2 initially
latent oak
if its 5% worse then optimal
idk i'd assume the design goal is to be significantly worse than perfect
vivid vessel
well 0.3s is litteraly just 30% damage loss so
at the very least
hollow temple
do they actually want this sim feedback? i was just kind of doing it for funsies
i think so
gaunt phoenix
yeah it is 0.3s in spell data
glass mortar
idk i'd assume the design goal is to be significantly worse than perfect
for sure, thats what id expect
daring oxide
Yeah then this one button will be devastating for outlaw
Drier than the fucking Sahara
No adr
frank finch
dryer then gsw with no ace
random stirrup
0.3s gcd loss is surely more than 30% for outlaw
random stirrup
in AR that means a 37.5% longer gcd plus ya the compounding loss of buffs AR etc.
daring oxide
If you played outlaw right now with insane lag that forced 0.3 lag delay
You’d be rock bottom dps
You’d have so much less crackshot
frail veldt
do they actually want this sim feedback? i was just kind of doing it for funsies
Oh nice are you gona test it like they did for war
random stirrup
now for assa, i saw a whispyr sim that the gcd increase was only like 5% assuming the APL was the same 
daring oxide
Capped energy wasted
hollow temple
Oh nice are you gona test it like they did for war
he already did a little
and it was horrendous 
frail veldt
LOL
daring oxide
Who tested it?
fluid meadow
imagine how affect gdc loss the dot classes? they lose more less after their dot's are up
hollow temple
solo ran some sims of it iirc
gaunt phoenix
i mean i ran the extracted APL logic but it is missing ADR and vanish so
frail veldt
ah
gaunt phoenix
its not doing anything
frail veldt
just slap it in there
daring oxide
I mean I highly doubt blizzard devs can play outlaw honestly, the spec requires so much actual practice, and they probably have no time to play outlaw to learn it
frail veldt
adr on cd
glass mortar
yea saeldur was telling me its probably not that bad for like afflock, maybe even devoker
specs with long channel spells
glass mortar
making up a decent chunk of their rotation
the faster ur spec is the more the cost of the gcd thing probably impacts
daring oxide
i mean i ran the extracted APL logic but it is missing ADR and vanish so
Where did you find the APL logic for the one button/assist stuff?
glass mortar
also no idea how they plan to implement fire mage
frail veldt
oh god
gaunt phoenix
frail veldt
ours is bad
glass mortar
like half ur rotation is ogcds
fluid meadow
yeah probably this thing is beta idea, and should do different penalty for every spec
vivid vessel
does it just not matter if you are a caster ?
frail veldt
roll the bones ONLY if all buffs are down
hollow temple
the faster ur spec is the more the cost of the gcd thing probably impacts
it isn't terrible for warrior though so idk about that
frail veldt
hahahahahaha
random stirrup
does it just not matter if you are a caster ?
ya prob since ur casts are already longer than gcd often
in lust itll suck
daring oxide
vivid vessel
im conufsed
glass mortar
it isn't terrible for warrior though so idk about that
?
vivid vessel
that 0.3s gcd thing
frail veldt
actions.assisted_combat+=/between_the_eyes,if=buff.ruthless_precision.up&combo_points>=5
vivid vessel
doesnt impact a caster no ?
glass mortar
-22% for the button with delay
frail veldt
lol they have bte rp check
glass mortar
-22% isnt terrible?
frail veldt
das cute
glass mortar
i was talking about the delay not the actual rotations
vivid vessel
lol they have bte rp check
theior bte lines are legit impressive
hollow temple
does it just not matter if you are a caster ?
it matters, but isn't as bad. Arcane sims only lose like ~15% afaik
vivid vessel
its more advanced than our apl no cap
frail veldt
wait what is it without delay?
glass mortar
the warrior sims showed it as -22% with the delay
frail veldt
theior bte lines are legit impressive
fr fr
hollow temple
is -22% not awful?
no thats good
gaunt phoenix
wait what is it without delay?
that's just the normal rotation but add 0.3s
glass mortar
hmm
ok we just use different terms
some of the casters it seems like it might be as low as 10% behind
that would be "good" to me
hollow temple
some of the casters it seems like it might be as low as 10% behind
anywhere around minus 10-25% dps for 1 button is good imo
glass mortar
anything beyond 20% is alot to give up
frail veldt
actions.assisted_combat+=/pistol_shot,if=energy>=99 this is confusing
gaunt phoenix
```actions.assisted_combat+=/pistol_shot,if=energy>=99``` this is confusing
i think this is for out of range
hollow temple
outlaw's is over -50% isn't it
glass mortar
sure outlaws is like, a meme
hollow temple
in its current form
gaunt phoenix
currently yeah it is like -75%
hollow temple
sure outlaws is like, a meme
all 3 rogue specs even
glass mortar
saeldur got our version to be within 20% with a very minor "blizzard apl" tweak so
glass mortar
when i showed him solos sim
frail veldt
i think this is for out of range
aaah
daring oxide
Wow the RTB condition is pure garbage wtf
glass mortar
as for casters, there should still be the delay between casts but channels can effectively ignore it if u play it right
hollow temple
zac tested sub's 1 button on stream yday
glass mortar
channels dont use spellqueue
hollow temple
the ogcd's looked ok
glass mortar
so if u use ur button 0.3s earlier in a channel, itd be the same as just casting normally
gaunt phoenix
not sure if people are simming with 0.2s or 0.3s with the confusion
frail veldt
is what youre saying
vivid vessel
but also sub doesnt do its damage cuase its pressing the right button
sub does damage cause it chose to press cds at certain times
so ye
frail veldt
sure
gaunt phoenix
saeldur got our version to be within 20% with a very minor "blizzard apl" tweak ...
link
frail veldt
how minor were his tweaks
glass mortar
improving the blizzard apl is just... making this button play like a sim
every change u make just makes it more similar to sim dps
frail veldt
I mean you can just add adr on cd and vanish on cd
glass mortar
what are u proving
frail veldt
thats somehting a player could do
trail star
Can you edit blizz apl?
frail veldt
adr on cd and vanish on cd and see how well it does
fluid meadow
does the rotation thing handle cd-s? if not players will be more worse cause not using them
frail veldt
vanish on cd if not currently in subt
vivid vessel
well it cant be within 20% with a 0.3s gcd @glass mortar
frail veldt
does the rotation thing handle cd-s? if not players will be more worse cause not...
for most of htem it doesnt use major cds no