outlaw

[wintry solar]

Turning off my bodycam now

[runic bough]

we cant even adr a second before boss is attacked

it HAS to be after everyone hits the boss

i swear

while everyone is popping cd'

we are waiting for the boss to activate before we adr

the things they restrict for outlaw

[wintry solar]

Like target cap

And GSW

Like

[runic bough]

it would make sense if we were doing 30mil dmg like udk, but its okay for them to do that.

[wintry solar]

Cmon

[runic bough]

its not okay for us to do anything

hahah

[wintry solar]

Why is GSW in the tree if I can't USE IT

RAHHHH

[runic bough]

RAAAH

[wintry solar]

It's so right there too

Just one measly point

Cmon

[runic bough]

and and

[wintry solar]

And

[runic bough]

so many thingses

[wintry solar]

Dude right

[runic bough]

⚠️

[frail veldt]

Bro last boss of cinderbrew is bullethell

And its so easy to get stuck on the fucking furniture in that room

[wintry solar]

Good game

[frail veldt]

my god

[wintry solar]

Nvm that's bullet storm

[runic bough]

hahahah

thats normal

[frail veldt]

they applied that change to other specs too

like moonkin

and frost mage

and warrior

[runic bough]

blizzard has this thing where they make obsticles out of the terrain

[frail veldt]

you can use it its barely a dps loss

drop gs or ace for it

[runic bough]

my guild brought me to mythic rik tonight

[wintry solar]

GS is wild work to drop

[frail veldt]

fuck gs lowkey

as HO

[wintry solar]

But some do

[runic bough]

it was pretty fun being in a prog fight

[frail veldt]

I drop it

when I play ho

gs sucks

it costs too much energy

[wintry solar]

It sucks in general

Yeah

Isn't it super strong tho?

I haven't seen sims of it since last season

I genuinely don't know

[zealous plinth]

True, this season feels like 1 of the worst for outlaw trinkets

[wintry solar]

I had Razdunks Big Red Button on my DK and its the most fun trinket I've ever used

After the 300% buff to it ofc

[frail veldt]

its strong in st

but it loses in dslice to cto PC as HO SC

[wintry solar]

Hmm

[zealous plinth]

I’ll prob just go wax whistle + pacemaker myth this season, cause I can’t raid

[wintry solar]

If I were to drop ace I'd need GS because that's a lot of ST I'm sacrificing so idk. I'd have to sim and see.

[frail veldt]

yeah you can pick any 3 of PC/CtO/GS/Ace/GSW

they all sim very similarly

any valid 4 combination that works for pathing

as HO SC

its very flexible

Ill never drop cto I think it feels awful rotationally

[wintry solar]

I was gonna say the same

[frail veldt]

dropping gs genuinely is a gameplay improvement

so I tend to drop that

and if you want to pick up GSW you'll have to drop ace or PC or

[zealous plinth]

Or just play 1pt fth kir

[runic bough]

yeah i tried dropping cto on ho and its terrible, kir should be fine tho

[wintry solar]

So my predicament is

I dropped ace for pc in M+ right

[runic bough]

and

hmmm??

[wintry solar]

But in order to get gsw

I need to sacrifice something else

[runic bough]

what did yew drops?

[wintry solar]

Now dropping ace is a lot of st missing but I'm more worried about what aoe I can do tbh

I have no idea what to drop

[runic bough]

how does it feel with no ace

[wintry solar]

I like it

Cdr is a bit of a problem if you mess up

[frail veldt]

current gear is GSW no Ace

so GSW no ace is only 2.3% behind HO SC with PC

which is the highest simming dslice build

[nova basin]

Remember if you can play a build 20% better than a sim that gains 10% damage you are better off. 😬

[frail veldt]

So genuinely GSW no Ace is arguably a competitive build

[wintry solar]

And that's with no pc right?

[runic bough]

hmmmm

[wintry solar]

Ryu log on

I have build for you

Kidding

[frail veldt]

thats with pc

GSW, PC, CtO, No Ace, No GS

[wintry solar]

Oh that build drops GS?

[frail veldt]

yeah

[wintry solar]

Interesting

[frail veldt]

sorry I had the number wrong earlier you can pick any 3 of GSW, PC, CtO, Ace, GS

[nova basin]

Won’t bosses feel sluggish with no GS?

[frail veldt]

so this one runs GSW PC CtO

[frail veldt]

eh not really

you might do a few less percent

but it feels better

tbh

cuz GS is a huge energy sink

[nova basin]

What haste you running?

[frail veldt]

as HO SC I normally run like 17ish

as KiR 19.7

[nova basin]

Hmm ok.

I wouldn’t of thought you had energy issues with that much in HO

[wintry solar]

Well GS is 45 energy

[nova basin]

Maybe I’ll try it later

[wintry solar]

Also I'm not really pushing this season so I'm only going to like 13s

This'll work fine I imagine

[nova basin]

Aye yea, I’m happy as soon as I hit 3k. I kinda stop pushing .

[wintry solar]

I hope we have this creative freedom next season

[frank finch]

wtf

nah u cooking the books

fake news

[wintry solar]

Well HO has insane CP gen that not using ace makes sense

But the GS into GSW is interesting in a dungeon setting

[runic bough]

have u not been able to press ks because not enough energy

[wintry solar]

Which might not happen next season

[runic bough]

happens to me a lot

[wintry solar]

Yeah

Isn't that skill issue?

[frank finch]

well link that gsw build

[runic bough]

even with ADR sometimes energy be ticking 1 per hour

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel @lone crow they fixed the doll being snapshotted by ur abilities in m+

[frail veldt]

sim it

its real

[proven ocean]

thankfully thats the only thing that got fixed

[frank finch]

link the build

[proven ocean]

it was mostly useless compared to the other bugs tho

[frail veldt]

CQQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeAAM2mZgZmZYGDzYmxYMzMmZmWmxsMDAAAAAAz2yMzgZmxCsMbDAAAAzMDYwsNbmZmRzMbMLssNtwmB

[proven ocean]

i think

me sharing the doll being good for some classes got to a wow dev or someshit

and they fixed it

rip

[wintry solar]

Gonna be quiet about the next one?

[proven ocean]

well

u can use alot of things in m+

its not about being quiet rn i dont think its good to share things

literally gets fixed in over a week

[frank finch]

[frail veldt]

told you

gsw cranks as trickster

PS go boom boom

[runic bough]

where you ragging on me for talking about gsw before

now your using it

[frail veldt]

1. im not using it, 2. your build suggestions simmed like 15% lower

we are not the same

[runic bough]

[wintry solar]

Yeah this whole thing stemmed from a joke about not taking GSW

But turns out we can

[runic bough]

[wintry solar]

Mewo actually RUINED the joke

Wtg

[frail veldt]

this was your last "build"

[runic bough]

[wintry solar]

Ooooooooo

[covert kestrel]

Build, more like tear down AMIRIGHT

[wintry solar]

Destroy, Build, Destroy: Outlaw Edition

[runic bough]

well

my true motive is

to get others to think outside the box

[wintry solar]

I bet that's an insane leveling build

[runic bough]

when many people think outside the box, more ideas flowing in

[frail veldt]

fair

[wintry solar]

Yeah

Tbf a lot of people here are rather stubborn

Me included

[frank finch]

i bet gsw has some bozo rules for ps

[runic bough]

having no ace is huge for it

[wintry solar]

Hold Opp procs after bte

[cinder haven]

Apl is fine for gsw

[wintry solar]

That's literally it

Ope

[cinder haven]

Barely changes anything though

I’ve tried to improve it many times

Can’t find anything

[wintry solar]

Yeah miniscule gameplay changes but I like the super efficient build/spend gameplay of outlaw

In reference to no ace/gsw

[cinder haven]

Gsw doesn’t exactly encourage you to use ps wisely

[wintry solar]

Probably not

[cinder haven]

But Ion can’t play outlaw without weakauras

[wintry solar]

Ion doesn't like it. That means somethings gotta give.

[cinder haven]

Maybe the solution is to gigabuff gsw

[wintry solar]

Maybe I'm wrong

[cedar kernel]

[wintry solar]

But for some reason I feel like GSW is an aoe talent disguised as a ST talent

[cinder haven]

Hey bac

[wintry solar]

Omg hi

[frank finch]

wait if gsw is buffed even a little bit it ovetakes ace

wierd to think about

[cedar kernel]

hi guys

[cinder haven]

Only for HO tho

[frank finch]

yea kir hates gsw

[cedar kernel]

i just here to say have a nice day brothers

[cinder haven]

Kir loves ace too

[cedar kernel]

i dont play wow these time for resting

[runic bough]

it is

[wintry solar]

This is the gameplay differences I want in builds

[wintry solar]

You too bud

[runic bough]

GSW is another BTE essentially

more dmg in aoe as welll as single target

[cinder haven]

The talent in the spot gsw occupies should compete with gs

[wintry solar]

Yeah thats a good idea

[cinder haven]

Gs should be pure st

Gsw slightly more aoe

Or whatever talent they put there

[upbeat tundra]

i need to find a way to kill mythic mugzee

[cinder haven]

Gsw needs a rework to fit current outlaw

Pay for a boost

[wintry solar]

Yeah. Gsw with fth doesn't sit right in my mind

[cinder haven]

Weird with ace too

[wintry solar]

Also true

[upbeat tundra]

what if the dam bonus stacked

[cinder haven]

Also weird with audacity/HO

[wintry solar]

They probably didn't think about it that deep when they put gsw there

I mean it ace does I guess because gsw has value in aoe and you can take bf talents to get to it

[upbeat tundra]

what if u hit a bunch of back to back ace procs and ur pistol shot went nutty

[wintry solar]

Maybe they had plans to and they just didnt

Was probably obscene damage

[upbeat tundra]

it would prob be nuts if it stacked crazy

like ur juicin a blood beast

[wintry solar]

Wasn't FTH always before GSW?

[covert kestrel]

Juicin a blood beast? Sounds like my last relationship

[wintry solar]

Because FTH originally didn't shoot multiple opp procs

That was changed later in beta

Or alpha

[runic bough]

GSW now applies to Dispatch and BTE. The same way dispatch applies to BTE.

[wintry solar]

Do everything to dispatch but make it good

[runic bough]

so if gsw procs

it applies dispatch and gsw.

nuke nuke nuke

[cedar kernel]

remake when

[runic bough]

who knows

could be next patch

[wintry solar]

Does Dancing Steel do anything else besides increasing BF target cap?

[runic bough]

could be never

[cedar kernel]

damn

[wintry solar]

Honestly just fix energy out of adr and fix KS and we golden

[wintry solar]

I can't remember

[runic bough]

yes

[craggy barn]

does ranged/melee count on sprocket matter for drills, i forget

[runic bough]

thats all it does

[wintry solar]

.>

[frank finch]

its increases bf duration

[wintry solar]

Say sike rn

Okay that's pm useless tbh

[runic bough]

so like

on bosses with 5 target cleave

dancing steel is useless

but we need it for pc

[wintry solar]

Pathing to pc needs ds?

I swear I thought it had another path

[rotund zodiac]

Make DS baseline

[wintry solar]

Unless it's a path we don't go

[runic bough]

unless it lets you by getting Main gash

[wintry solar]

Dang

Was cooking a build for something

That I'd need PC for but not DS

[runic bough]

it was already burnt

rip

[wintry solar]

Well for me it has a use

But I won't say it because we can't stay respectful

[storm drum]

Ran outlaw today. Killing spree is some bullshit. No way to tell if swirly will stun you or if it will pop while in the animation wher you stand killing you

like first boss on rook cant use lmao some other things as well crazy pure crazy Fix KS

[runic bough]

they should name this channel to "KillingSpree Victims Anonymous"

[storm drum]

fits perfectly

[wintry solar]

I'm very not anonymous

[rotund zodiac]

I use enough ks to know the timing where I don’t die using it

[runic bough]

well it just fits the saying with alcoholics groups

[wintry solar]

I wasn't going to say anything but same

Didn't wanna be all like "haha I'm better than you"

[storm drum]

I'm so proud of you. I just came back to the game satruday. Its wild

[rotund zodiac]

I died a lot to KS too

keep grinding lads

[frail veldt]

yeah but theres still the situations where you take a risk

[storm drum]

No yall are better than me lmao. I only have aotc and first two mythic bosses killed and just got into 8s only 654 ilvl lmao

[frail veldt]

and sometimes you suffer

like when theres a small piece of bad on the ground

and its so tiny

one circle

what are the odds

right?

[true cedar]

Mastery seeing good value in may 15 btw

[runic bough]

dont you ever just get like, "I dont wanna use ks anymore"???

[frail veldt]

what are the chances

[cloud thunder]

how grief is sending a 1cp killing spree in sprocket

[storm drum]

Like last boss in rook? WIll my ks end before i have to pop pillar? we will see

[frail veldt]

everyone does

no one likes KS

[wintry solar]

You son of a bitch

[frail veldt]

lol you can get timers for that

af

[wintry solar]

Get him!

[frail veldt]

im thinking like last boss of cinderbrew

[true cedar]

[runic bough]

i forgot to low cp ks tonight

damnit

Im still using high cp ks

sucks

[rotund zodiac]

Mine is 3rd boss workshop

Will those gears kill me?

if ks

[frank finch]

this gsw has a chance to be more bursty sometimes i can feel it on the dumies

[runic bough]

well gsw hits harder than ss and ambush

[storm drum]

oh well ima play some assa and chill and gamble even more on outlaw with KS when im feelin frisky

[frank finch]

do you just not use ps during crackshot then

[wintry solar]

Also, it could be a play if our next tier set modifies PS

[storm drum]

on a side note thought i made a D on my micro exam popped off and made a 102 lmao

[wintry solar]

You don't use ace

Actually a dps loss

[red zinc]

Why are people always trying to make gsw a thing

Gotta be the most boring talent ever

[frank finch]

well its 1 % behind ace in dslice

[quartz meteor]

Omfg, I finally after months of playing outlaw understood how the spec works

I finally get it.

[wintry solar]

Well un get it

Because it's a slippery slope

[frank finch]

i meant durign sub

[runic bough]

Why is Timmy always such a downer

[frank finch]

my bad

[quartz meteor]

Just wanted to share one frustrated outlaw's realization on a thursday evening. I kept fucking RTB and losing my shit without knowing why

[wintry solar]

Nothing really changes

Regular build/spend rules

-ace obv

[quartz meteor]

Until I did what no other WoW player does: fucking read the spec stuff.

[runic bough]

I want to craft a dagger offhand but i need engi bracers more

[frank finch]

k so stil spam ambush in sub

[wintry solar]

Yeah unless opp

Think outlaw pre crackshot but instead of dispatch you send bte

[cinder haven]

Are you ready for your PhD in container theory?

[wintry solar]

My favorite part about KiR is the influx of people learning about the container buff

[quartz meteor]

Not even fucking close, I still suck massive amounts of dick, but at least now I know why and how to get better at it

It's been so hard, details tells me nothing with the amazing 95% of my damage being blade flurry and not understanding the spec in full, but now (i still don't but at least) I can get to work on my flaws

[storm drum]

outlaw is home for a bunch of degenerate gamblers that dont like gambling in real life lmao

[wintry solar]

Wdym?

[quartz meteor]

I was really fucking close to drop the towel and go to the easy rogue specs instead.

[wintry solar]

I have blackjack on my phone because I can't stop

If I were to go to a casino I'd def have to be kicked out

[quartz meteor]

keep gambling homie, momma raised no quitters

[wintry solar]

THIS GUY GETS IT

[storm drum]

oh maybe the gambling in wow is becasue i cant stand losing moneies

[wintry solar]

Holy shit I hate losing

But I'm not quitting on a win streak

[quartz meteor]

my most personal meme

[wintry solar]

Growing up in a competitive household damaged my psyche

Super competitive

[quartz meteor]

true that brother

[wintry solar]

I was gonna go on a cruise this summer until I learned there was a casino and I have about $1500 to blow

House repairs or gambling? 🤔

[quartz meteor]

you aint winning the lottery if you aint playing dawg

[wintry solar]

Mod this guy

[red zinc]

Cant be old enough for cruises and also play outlaw though

[wintry solar]

26

Is that good?

Fuck I'm a boomer

Decrepit

[quartz meteor]

30 here and im already at the dawn of my life

twilight*********

[wintry solar]

Our AARP cards will be in our mail soon

I think I'm gonna play blackjack now actually

Ciao

[quartz meteor]

bonnasera

[wintry solar]

Speaking of blackjack

[runic bough]

ciao

[wintry solar]

That reminds me of popo lore I need to share with yall

Since this is the "pirate" spec

I'm related Jean Laffite

Direct descendant

[quartz meteor]

bullshit

[wintry solar]

I can back it up

[quartz meteor]

dont dox yourself dawg i believe your ass

[wintry solar]

That would dox me tho

[quartz meteor]

yea we believe you

❤️

[runic bough]

Popo

I dont want anything to happen to you

my fren

[quartz meteor]

Well, feel proud of having your great great something grandfather be a one piece character reference

[wintry solar]

There's no stone I wouldn't turn to prove myself right

[runic bough]

[quartz meteor]

if your last name aint laffite and something like daniels or something piss off

[wintry solar]

:)

Bro found my last name before my first

Weirdo

[quartz meteor]

2000 IQ

[wintry solar]

But yeah cool trivia

Doesn't land me jobs or anything

[upbeat tundra]

16 top decent decent

[nova basin]

Might be in my head but I’m doing like a mill DPS less today compared to yesterday on dummies. Nothing changed right? A few low rolls but shouldn’t make much difference over like 4 different tests

[red zinc]

Did someone sneak into your house and spec into gsw

Happens to me sometimes

[quartz meteor]

perhaps no longer hittin dead mobs x_x

[cedar kernel]

holy clush

[rotund zodiac]

Is it normal to cast less coup than HO as KiR during aoe?

[timid shoal]

Can we get some sims pinned for this one-button-rotation thing? I was wanna be able to reference it later for kicks

[rotund zodiac]

I found myself using deft for cps instead of SS so UB is rarely spent

[covert kestrel]

It's ryu

[royal hollow]

its in the faq

[safe pasture]

is there any way to get rid of the red bs that shows up when you get a pistol shot proc

like above your character

[cinder haven]

Yes

Spell alert opacity

Interface settings

[safe pasture]

TY

been going insane with t hat shit blockin my view

[nova basin]

is it this?

[upbeat tundra]

do u guys also sit in dornogol trying to get an invite to play the computer game

this shit is brutal

[nova basin]

yes

[upbeat tundra]

i played a lot of classes this patch and this is the worst on rogue

i had an easier time on hunter even

[nova basin]

rogue stigma

its bc braindead can play hunter

people can play rogue really bad

[upbeat tundra]

i think its uh

no lust no bres no raid buff

pretty sure thats it

[safe pasture]

but i bring tricks 😄

[nova basin]

the amount of people who have friended me after a dungeon though bc they didnt realise rogues could do damage is quite nice though

[upbeat tundra]

yea unfortunately the only skill that matters for pushing keys is just social skills

unlucky

[red zinc]

Defusal skills more like

Gotta be a therapist to these loser ass 30 somethings

[safe pasture]

i could use one after trying to pug cinder all night

[nova basin]

what key level?

[safe pasture]

12s just need it and flood for me resil =[

but for somereason this key people just go off the wall

[nova basin]

its bc they think they in mdi

[safe pasture]

everyone wana be mdi till its time to mass interupt

then no one got hands

tbf tho i also feel like 12-6 the worst players be puggin

am

[nova basin]

i mean rogue has good focus lockdown but ask them to interrupt alot and what do we have.... ok ill blind ... mmm now what.

[safe pasture]

I have been blinding/kick/kidney but when they do the mass pulls I feel like I just cant do it all unless i want to cheap everything and do 0 dam

[rotund zodiac]

Ty king

[blissful zinc]

We need to bring back the propaganda that rogues are the king of control 💀

[rotund zodiac]

We aren’t?

[strong cargo]

we can spam cheap shot for 8s !

[safe pasture]

I feel like it just feels super bad wasting gcd on cheap

[blissful zinc]

We have gouge as well! …..wait

[rotund zodiac]

If it keeps the party alive, I’ll CC anything

[strong cargo]

g uge

[rotund zodiac]

Dead dps = no dps

[blissful zinc]

We have aoe blind! (Doesnt work on workshop bombs tho mb)

[nova basin]

we just need a buff that slowly stacks when attacking that reduces the combo points required for kidney and make cheap cost almost no energy

[rotund zodiac]

I wish they buff blind

[blissful zinc]

Chill bro

It might get us invited but they will make us slaves again

[nova basin]

xD

[safe pasture]

meanwhile sin got ironwire and theydont even run it

[nova basin]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-fuzz-greater-good-evil-funny-gif-5283257

[blissful zinc]

I mean stun immunity as it is stuns kinda lost value

We need to assassinate every person who put outlaw in B tier (tierlists)

They have been doing that for the whole season and no buffs

[safe pasture]

idkk the bf fix kinda slap atho

[blissful zinc]

All its been doing is making people never invite u

Whats the point if you cant play the game 🥲

[safe pasture]

i just be runnin my own key up fug it

aside from these last 2 12s

[jolly geyser]

[nova basin]

tier lists are a bain... i mean Aug is currently unranked tbh but still getting 3.4k in keys

[wintry solar]

#pvp is down the hall, to the left.

The only time you could be doing doggy doodoo damage and still be the best spec in the game

[still matrix]

Is there a pre-quest you have to do for the artifact appearance thunderfury for dreadblades?

[queen lily]

so how long ago was it that we had a talent for extra range as outlaw? i fell like if i dont stand at the centre of a mobs hitbox im out of range...

[rotund zodiac]

DF?

[fast axle]

is it important to track the 4pies ?

back to outlow after 2years

[nova basin]

https://tenor.com/view/winnie-the-pooh-hungry-yummy-nom-nom-hangry-gif-12370976588218762850

should just slot in your natural rotation afaik.. thats how i play it

[unreal drum]

I thought I was attracted to the spec for a reason

[wintry solar]

Negative

[still matrix]

Are people running CTO or PC in HO Build generally?

assuming you want ghostly i guess

[shy meteor]

Both i dropped GS, I lost defenitly a good amount of prio/st dmg, but I feel like its way smoother to play

At least for me

[fast axle]

so we spam role teel we get 5 role ?

[shy meteor]

On HO - yes

[charred carbon]

whats the Kir build everyone is running ?

[shy meteor]

There is also an FAQ channel on this dc, there U can Look Up all the talent builds and "Options" U have to twist and tweak talents around

[wintry solar]

Both. Depends on what you want to drop.

Ace/CtO/Ghostly can be dropped for PC

If you're not running PC then drop none of them

If you're running PC, I personally recommend dropping Ace because GS is big ST and CtO feels too good

Others recommend GS

I haven't tried dropping GS but i bet it does smooth out gameplay since it's such an energy sink and doesn't lock you to one target.

[wintry solar]

This also comes with the caveat of losing CDR and a little ST

[agile orchid]

you could also just play KiR

[blissful zinc]

what u guys running?

whos kir gang whos HO

[wintry solar]

I switch up

Depending on mood and aoe or st

[still matrix]

id need to fuck with haste to go kir

[agile orchid]

I play KiR, I am too unlucky with rolls to play HO

[still matrix]

and stats marginally easier to not have to recraft as ho

[wintry solar]

I'm at 19% for both builds

[blissful zinc]

what crit%

[wintry solar]

I can't remember off the top of my head

[still matrix]

these are my stats as HO:

i could kir with a haste flask

[wintry solar]

I've got like, almost 30 percent mastery that I need to get rid of.

[blissful zinc]

havent played in 2 weeks tho so a bit laging behind in upgrades

[still matrix]

my mastery is shoulder/chest

realistically we want tier legs

and a fat chest from somewhere else idk

maybe after turbo boost crafted chest is bis idk

or priory chest i guess

from vault luck

then you run shoulder/legs tier

and you will be like idk 15% mastery i guess

[wintry solar]

Pretty sure my mastery comes from mostly my off-hand

But it simmed the best so

[still matrix]

Ive ran this build a lot and its nice

[heavy shadow]

we still not using deft for HO in keys right?

[wintry solar]

Negative

You probably could if you really really like it but idk what you'd drop

[vivid vessel]

Fuck I dreamt about outlaw

[wintry solar]

I mean reallyyy

[vivid vessel]

I'm addicted

Help

[blissful zinc]

bruh am i tripping why does ace always ends up refunding more cp in HO build

[blissful zinc]

u still KIR enjoyer?

[wintry solar]

You manifesting it by thinking it does

[still matrix]

KIR is like bigger aoe and rest is slightly more meh but still super close from reading the pin?

[wintry solar]

Something like that

[vivid vessel]

No I'm playing ryuk build rn

[still matrix]

ahahah

[vivid vessel]

No crackshot no ho no kir

5 points into gsw

[heavy shadow]

Need to try a key... and still be 3rd on big pulls, but less embarrassingly 3rd

[still matrix]

every day i come in here Ryuk is playing some neckbeard cookl

[blissful zinc]

BFA outlaw POG

[wintry solar]

"Ryu build" could mean literally anything these days

[still matrix]

Ryu: "It only sims 2% less"

[wintry solar]

He also doesn't have tier

[blissful zinc]

and then your team sees dps first pull not understanding how outlaw works and hits you with "rogue?"

[wintry solar]

He refuses to play KS

[blissful zinc]

my bad i have ptsd

[runic bough]

[wintry solar]

Ryu won't have to worry about if 2/2 tier set bonuses sim more

He can just collect them as he goes

[blissful zinc]

Kir Son or Ho daughter

aight wtf am i saying ima go have lunch

peace out folks

[runic bough]

guys

i cant show it now because i reported him

but this healer left the key on last boss

said someone was jumping around like a monkey

workshop

[wintry solar]

He just like me fr fr

[wintry solar]

Is that a jab at KS?

[runic bough]

yes

[wintry solar]

I may have been slow on the draw

[still matrix]

i did 9.8mil first pull cinder

[upbeat tundra]

15 floodgate almost 2chest xdd

[still matrix]

is this what it feels like to be a unholydk

[upbeat tundra]

cruisin

[wintry solar]

Babies first key

Dreading the day we get a stat squish again

[still matrix]

time to play kir

get FAT aoe

blood is life

how do you KS first boss cinder

its so asss man

after first phase

[upbeat tundra]

is there a way to sim flasks

or just like all consumables and whatnot

[still matrix]

think there isa command for that

idk it

[nova basin]

howcome Murlok shows not a single rogue high end with KiR? or has it just not updated yet.

ignore me

wrong game mode.. troll

[patent mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[upbeat tundra]

bro i feel like im fuckin blasting

[nova basin]

oh wow KiR is nutty

only just got the haste to run it. extra mill dps average on aoe 😄 😄

[safe pasture]

shadesofgrey i know runs kir or atleast did last time i looked

[patent mirage]

kir and ho are very close for me

[safe pasture]

only num 1 spot was running HO i thought

[charred carbon]

this good for KIR ?

[heavy shadow]

what spec

[nova basin]

you have enough haste so i assume so

[charred carbon]

yea i just dont know what build to pick

from kir

[nova basin]

CQQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeAAM2mBjZGzMzYYGegxMzMMzMz0yMmtZAAAAAAY2WmZGMzMWglZbAAAAYmZADmtZzMzMamZjZhltpF2MA - isnt a bad KiR

[civic void]

#tc-research message

[charred carbon]

yea i use this one but then no SHIV, cheat dead and unbreakable stride

[nova basin]

cheat death is if you know you are going to fail

elusive is preventing damage all around..

[charred carbon]

yea i know

[patent mirage]

elusiveness with butterfly all the way

[nova basin]

Shiv is useful for some dungeons over strides too.

[charred carbon]

TOP

[nova basin]

ive found more use from shiv than getting slowed less

tempted to be assa spec for queueing for m+ then just swapping to outlaw once im in the group bc these declines are depressing

[safe pasture]

what key you doin

or tryna do

[tender wedge]

i haven't had any trouble getting into keys tbh

[nova basin]

12 xD

[tender wedge]

no more than usual for any random dps

[safe pasture]

lol contest me on cinder keysss

its all i neeeeeed now

legit seen like 1 even listed in the last 30 mins

[nova basin]

i need priort and flood

[safe pasture]

just got flood and it dropped trink big poggg prior is a mf got mad lucky with my group

feel like pugs blow on that one just as hard as cinder

[heavy shadow]

So are we saying HO still for keys or KiR depending on the pack size

[safe pasture]

I think both are just "good" rn prob KIR better though still

without snapshotting anymore I dont see HO being better on paper

[heavy shadow]

I mean, if they're similar and you can avoid using ks... seems like a clear choice

[wintry solar]

What does kir vs ho have to do with ks

[heavy shadow]

Are you not using ks with HO build?

[wintry solar]

You are

[gaunt phoenix]

they both are trickster

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[heavy shadow]

Ah when I was playing KiR was as fatebound (some weeks ago mind)

[gaunt phoenix]

They should be really close overall so its preference really

but kir is perhaps harder to play and gear

[upbeat tundra]

???

[safe pasture]

you only run fatebound for the raid build

which even that might not be the case anymore idk i hate raids

[pearl girder]

is it normal having 8% as ho ?

[safe pasture]

I am 14% so i can get perfect 25% with take em by suprise

feels really nice

[runic bough]

its really upsetting

fatebound is 50% lower aoe than trickster

bullshit devs

thats all for now gn gn

-Ryukage
bedge time

[wintry solar]

Nighty night

[safe pasture]

just run fatebound and tell everyone you are prio damage for cope

[pearl girder]

idk crit vers always sims higher for me with 8% haste as ho cto

[safe pasture]

I just like to hit my buttons faster

more gcd = more existential dread

[red zinc]

We are safe

[upbeat tundra]

fatebound sims 8% less in dslice for me

than trickster

with the kir 1fth build

[blissful zinc]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[still matrix]

i dont think its much harder to gear especially if you just run a haste flask

[still matrix]

thats not much to be fair

[wintry solar]

Sure but if you die to a boss that's at 8%, you're gonna be like "damn if only I had that extra 8% damage"

[still matrix]

lol

[wintry solar]

Because that's TOTALLY how it works and everyone who says otherwise is wrong.

[vivid vessel]

ye

so i wanted to help you right

but i didnt manage to get 675 this week

[silent marsh]

they fixed it last night

[vivid vessel]

im only 674.something

[silent marsh]

midnight

[vivid vessel]

oh

nice

[silent marsh]

zoned out of raid got achiev

sent my pala to 675 too

😂

[wintry solar]

I wouldn't help you either

[silent marsh]

understandable

[wintry solar]

Everyone more geared than me is an anti-social loser and anyone less geared than me is a newb

I play at the perfect level

[hushed horizon]

I got a normal pacemaker on Monday and a hero track last night. Is this a sign?

[rotund zodiac]

How come people reach 675 this week?

[silent marsh]

its a sign that u can buy myth track in two weeks

[rotund zodiac]

Mythic raiding?

[vapid sundial]

Good rng

Mythic raiding

[hushed horizon]

Myth raiding and luck

[wintry solar]

Imma say it

Rogue ≠ stealth

[daring oxide]

I’m still 671 🥲

I’ve had really garbage loot luck this tier

[rotund zodiac]

I’m 670

[hushed horizon]

With the need for chain pulls and faster clearing, stealth and anything requiring dropping combat is a detriment in keys

[rotund zodiac]

I took mythic tracks everyweek

I think I should plan my crest spending carefully next season

[vapid sundial]

Dnd would disagree with u

[wintry solar]

I don't play dnd

[vapid sundial]

That where rogue came from

Pretty sure that's where almost all the classes came from

[wintry solar]

Idc

[rotund zodiac]

New fact 👀

[wintry solar]

Yoooo

Someone else to blame just dropped

I blame wotc for evoker

[upbeat tundra]

its 8% dslice not 8% st

so like the vast majority of the loss would be aoe im guessing

and then you do omega dam st

(im making this all up i didnt check)

[blissful zinc]

is /startattack all I need to have BTE auto target another target if my current target dies?

[rotund zodiac]

ye

[wintry solar]

It was a joke saying that 8% of damage = health of boss

[upbeat tundra]

xd

maybe there's a different build for fatebound that closes the gap a bit who knows

probably not though i think fatebound may just blow ass

[wintry solar]

Probably

[vivid vessel]

well im 8/8 tho with multiple clears vurai

[wintry solar]

I ain't doin it tho

[vivid vessel]

idk if its luck

[blissful zinc]

it doesnt work T_T

[vivid vessel]

i actually wasnt really lucky with vault

i took 2 or 3 sockets in a row in vault

[wintry solar]

Oh I'm dumb

[dawn talon]

it's not new, almost everything in wow especially vanilla is just directly ripped from 3.5e

[blissful zinc]

I will forever have issues with this macro

[digital linden]

do people even use this macro?

[wintry solar]

I found a macro the other day that had
/autoattack
/say Bam! Right in the kisser!

And I have no idea why, when, and where it came from.

[safe pasture]

is anyone running deft over vers for HO cinder?

[wintry solar]

HO gets neutral benefit from deft

There's probably someone using it but idk why they would unless they really really like it

[blissful zinc]

i just remember having a bte macro that auto targets next target if my current target dies

[safe pasture]

awz

[blissful zinc]

in the middle of crackshot window for example

im tryna make something similar but cant make it work

[vivid vessel]

sooo

we get dinnars for like 3 weeks ?

oh nvm i cant read

fuck i need to find something else to complain about then

[blissful zinc]

this our top 3 outlaw rogue ?

[wintry solar]

LMAOOO

[vivid vessel]

im not even in the top 5 bozo

[blissful zinc]

cap

[vivid vessel]

no capo

[digital linden]

how

[wintry solar]

It's Wox and his alts

[vivid vessel]

lfg is rough

havent played much early cuase of prog

[digital linden]

u pug all ur m+`?

[vivid vessel]

i mean its just rio being rio you know how it works

[left furnace]

Is there a work around for the affix this week or am I doing something wrong ? If I blind a mob it hits them all but if I blind the affix it only does one

[vivid vessel]

this season ye

[digital linden]

goddamn bro no way u get invited

[vivid vessel]

ye right

[digital linden]

cinderbrews after 13 i just get insta declined

[blissful zinc]

thats how it works for some reason

[left furnace]

Big lame cause when they spawn away I feel pretty helpless lol bout to go Tauren for the war stomp

[digital linden]

speaking of tauren

might be a cheeky race change

i dont know how accurate bloodmallet is

but difference in dps from orc to tauren on outlaw is a big 40k

😱

[left furnace]

Ya but messing up your rotation one time is greater than 40k no?

[digital linden]

probably

[blissful zinc]

yo guys

i have a plan

what if

[daring oxide]

When did you first kill Halley?

Opps gally

[hybrid crown]

blind's aoe is stopped by the affix orb dying

if you use blind on an actual mob the aoe hits orbs

[blissful zinc]

all of us just apply to keys then cancel after a few seconds.... to create the illusion that rogues are in high demand

[vivid vessel]

i have 4 gaslly kill

[daring oxide]

And you say that but look at zeross lol, he 5/8m and most geared rogue world

[hybrid crown]

it shouldn't work like that but it do 😦

[daring oxide]

Wow nice

[vivid vessel]

ye got lucky

also bought 2 boes

i bought one

[digital linden]

and you have every single sought after trinket in myth track

[vivid vessel]

yes

[digital linden]

i need to get ce early in season next tier

[dawn talon]

i don't mind playing in a late ce guild

my guildies don't make my blood pressure spike

[fair sorrel]

Playing in a late ce guild makes my blood pressure spike

[lofty pike]

!log

[dawn talon]

some of them are stupid but that's fine

im also an idiot i just hit buttons better

if i were playing in a 10 or 12 hour guild i would definitely care more about wr

but eh we're a 6hr guild

[covert kestrel]

You can also get 40k dps without paying by just being better at the game

[safe pasture]

na i simmed it being better at the game is -0.1%

[wintry solar]

Me when my auto attacks hit

[digital linden]

i mean im not paying a penny

just wow token action

[wintry solar]

Fun fact, I've been doing this

But because I get nervous

Pugs are mean :(

[covert kestrel]

Love the new name

But I think you need to fight Somnius for that title

[verbal fjord]

Boys what can i do about having energy problem kekw

i get my self into getting no energy and having problems while in sub with ar on

lol

[safe pasture]

kir or ho?

[verbal fjord]

Ho

https://de.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kzfJAQhxqTXwvapV?fight=last

i can show it in logs like that

[covert kestrel]

ZUSAMMENFASSUNG

[verbal fjord]

i think i got like bad uptime on ar cause of no energy regen

i dunno how i can make it better tho

[verbal fjord]

STOP I CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT 😭

[safe pasture]

for some reason warcraft logs is in dutch ig cause it hates me

what is your haste at unbuffed

[vivid vessel]

how do you gear an alt rn

[verbal fjord]

15% unbuffed

im on 10,116

[verbal fjord]

Got help ngl im not queing my own keys

[covert kestrel]

Delverinos

[safe pasture]

you should be chilling then maybe just not hitting your gcd on time? or not being in aa range

lota energy regen from aa

[verbal fjord]

it could be tho

i never thought of that

lol

maybe im to far away to get aa cause im focused on using bte

[safe pasture]

yee its big i always am reminded of it when i try to take off the stupid attack speed talent

[verbal fjord]

nah that could be actually the problem

[safe pasture]

and am like nope

[verbal fjord]

Crazy

[safe pasture]

ya its a pain especially when lots of stuff going on had to make a wa that just screamed at me when im not in aa range till i got used to it

[verbal fjord]

i actually need that wa

https://wago.io/LWuNIXaB9

is this one good ?

[safe pasture]

maybe im not sure id mess with them find one you like

i usually use noises or GIANT LETTERS cuase im a potatoe

[verbal fjord]

hahahah

thanks bro

[safe pasture]

np hope it helps!

[hasty warren]

yo zac

[late swallow]

What’s up

[tight kernel]

I like zacs wa, just don’t tell him that it goes to his head

Oh wait yeah that’s the one

[dawn talon]

zac's was are s tier in terms of function and resource usage but good lord the visual style kills me

[vivid vessel]

!

tf

[covert kestrel]

all zacs icons belike

[dawn talon]

the zoomed icons i don't mind but the like

elvui look

has always just been so hideous to me

i really like low saturation flat colours, it's just a lot easier on my eyes

[wintry solar]

He ain't got jack shit on me

I'm #1

Not #2

[heavy shadow]

Maybe a dumb question, but this ambush, if you have sinister strike keybound, it becomes ambush right? you shouldn't keybind normal ambush to use when procs

[hybrid crown]

You used to do that but you don't need to

There used to be a canned reply to this

!ambush

[ornate heath]

Since 10.2, ambush will now replace SS with an audacity proc, this means that you can bind SS and Ambush on the same bind.
Builds without HO still do not want to press ambush in stealth, to circumvent that you can use this macro:
/cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, bonusbar:1] Ambush ; Sinister Strike
Stance swap delay is, for now, not an issue since we don't want to cast vanish into ambush anymore.

[hybrid crown]

Ahh yep

Wait

Yeaah

[heavy shadow]

Ah okay so for raid ST KiR you should use the macro

Or key if you choose KiR

[heavy shadow]

so if I understand the macro, it's sayng when HO active, rather than ambush, force use SS

[hollow temple]

imagine doing 5m overall in brew (>>>DK and Boomie), Tank dies to mob pack 2x, and I get kicked out of the group xD

will never understand these people

[hybrid crown]

If you don't play HO and you need to build from stealth you use SS. Ambush is right for HO

[verbal fjord]

Hey the same thing happen to me but without doing that much of dmg kekw

[rotund haven]

So is there any substitute for killing spree? This button sucks

[jolly geyser]

no and yes

[rotund haven]

Enlighten me please

[blissful idol]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[tight kernel]

Play FB and do less damage

But “safer”

[vivid vessel]

"less damage"

like 20 % less aoe ye

all good

[unborn haven]

Do we know why wox runs HO over KIR? just preference?

[tight kernel]

Hey he wanted a substitute to KS

[vivid vessel]

pref

[red zinc]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[tight kernel]

Yo Timmy

[vivid vessel]

yo timmy

[tight kernel]

You couldn’t scroll up like 3 messages

Tf

[red zinc]

no

[tight kernel]

??

[red zinc]

i wanted to feel special

[tight kernel]

Based

[red zinc]

zac my luxthos wa is machine gun firing lua errors

[vivid vessel]

skill issue

[red zinc]

actually gotta update it

[vivid vessel]

using luyxhtox

[red zinc]

this wa doesnt have 2 vanish charges

thats how old it is

[vivid vessel]

[red zinc]

oh wait i use afenar not luxthos

always forget

[viral flume]

When they guide says to killing spree at 6+ CP. Do i include supercharger in this calculation? So if i have a supercharger stack, I would killing spree at literal 4 combo points with a super charger stack for 6?

[summer swan]

using off hand as a dagger or sword?

which one is more valuable?

[dawn talon]

no

[viral flume]

ty

[dawn talon]

depends on the specific items and your gearset, you just have to sim it

the difference is usually completely marginal

[summer swan]

i mean if i craft both weapons

dagger is better for attack speed right?

[dawn talon]

attackspeed based effects are normalized mostly, it's ~0.2-0.3% better bc of instant poison procs

[summer swan]

and for more energy generation?

[dawn talon]

no, fatal flourish is normalized

[summer swan]

oh doesnt matter sword or dagger?

[dawn talon]

nope, same energy regen with both

[summer swan]

ohh

[dawn talon]

only differences are any potential cantrips and instant poison

[summer swan]

thx

[late swallow]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[rotund zodiac]

!fuckbugs

[ornate heath]

• Breaking Vanish with a trinket will not grant Subterfuge.
• Recasting Stealth while Subterfuge is already active will not grant you UHUH or Crackshot bonuses until Subterfuge expires. (fixed as of 11.1)
• Casting Vanish at the same frame that a previous Subterfuge ends will cause Crackshot to not activate.
• After breaking Stealth, there is about a 100ms delay before the effects of Subterfuge happen. You will thus lose about 100ms of adr

[wary wind]

we are so back

[daring oxide]

Good lad

[wintry copper]

As you may know, there is a bug where if :adr: Adrenaline Rush is active, you can trigger Coup de Grace twice in a row just by mashing it when ready. The build is similar to KIR without this bug, so if it gets fixed then it is still competitive.

is this still a thing

or patched

[viral bison]

whats this in weakaura

[somber ridge]

A big ass icon

[rotund haven]

Patched

[wary wind]

sadly

[hasty warren]

gs

[ebon reef]

Am I dumb or I can't find the 4 hook talent

[daring oxide]

Did your time get frozen brother

[wintry copper]

havent played outlaw all season but my wrists were feeling very healthy so decided to switch

and was going through the pins to educate myself

[quasi notch]

@ebon reef Its in fatebound wich you dont play

[wintry solar]

Accidentally stat weighed the no ace/ no gs/PC/GSW build from earlier

[ebon reef]

Oh right

Back to fatebound I go

[wintry solar]

This bitch said I need more mastery

[trail star]

Yeah and intellect

[wintry solar]

I picked the wrong build by mistake

[jolly geyser]

Craft int dagger for more poison and trinket dmg

[remote pecan]

why do you even have that build is the real question

[wintry solar]

Sim it

[strong cargo]

15 Top, meta specs

[remote pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-man-no-man-no-gif-7347715096894588969

[wintry solar]

It's less than 5% behind PC build

You should think outside the box more

[remote pecan]

"no ace" no ty

[mellow depot]

what builds are people playing now?

[wintry solar]

One tuning pass away from being the best

Just saying

Start praying they don't buff PS lol

[jolly geyser]

You dont wanna be the best

[wintry solar]

Evidently all sorts of builds

Innovation happens when people think outside the box

[viral flume]

LOL

we cant even press killing spree on candle king

what in the fuck

[wintry solar]

Also @frail veldt disregard the mastery thing. I had maxed out pvp gear so I had literally 0 mastery

[silent marsh]

timed mead flood rook today what is this

lucky day

bets on how many psf tries xd

[jolly geyser]

3

[lime lake]

30

[silent marsh]

300

[wintry solar]

2

Ez

A practice run and then the real thing

You can't do too many practice runs or you'll psyche yourself out

[strong cargo]

You can send one after he destroy existing ones, even low CP

[silent marsh]

i dont even stay in resi grp if i even get one for more then 2 tries

thats the real psyche

out

[wintry solar]

Or 1 and stop being a bitch and time it like a man

LIKE A MAN

[jolly geyser]

Lock in,cock in

[torpid fiber]

1700

[wintry solar]

Ramlu gets it

You're not gonna time it sitting in here complaining

So what you do

Is you GET IN THERE

AND GET YOUR FUCKIN DICK WET

RAHHHHH

https://tenor.com/view/war-face-full-metal-jacket-r-lee-ermey-gny-sgt-hartman-sergeant-gif-7785048

[torpid fiber]

(You have to scream the RAHHHHH in comms as you start the key or this strategy won't work)

[wintry solar]

True

Its actually super important

[lime lake]

wdym as you start

scream it every pack

every boss pull

[wintry solar]

It's my macro for adr

[lime lake]

every time you rtb