outlaw

[prisma sapphire]

but this AOE damage buff makes up for it

[upbeat tundra]

i miss when i hit coup on a critter outside of dornogol as trickster, swapped back to fatebound, and then went into keys and just spammed BTE

[hollow temple]

cretin

[runic bough]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-the-outlaw-walton-goggins-boyd-crowder-justified-i-am-a-bad-guy-gif-27308106

[upbeat tundra]

you know we arent going to see "NEED OUTLAW" in group titles for multiple expansions right

that weekend was the best time ive had this expac

[prisma sapphire]

was that the infinite coup bug

i didn't get to abuse that

unfort

[runic bough]

We are always undertuned so its been this way for generations.

[upbeat tundra]

it was glorious

[prisma sapphire]

can't imagine

200% AR uptime

[hollow temple]

what

[vagrant saddle]

people forgot 3 outlaw bfa meta fast

[runic bough]

Have you ever seen outlaw on any prog or tournemament?

[prisma sapphire]

i don't forget outlaw BFA meta

i hated outlaw in BFA cause i was fury

they got into every key

[upbeat tundra]

the only global you'd really hit was bte, i tanked a +16 boss from 50% to 0% with 100% evasion uptime

[daring oxide]

yes i progged as outlaw on every boss since SL

[hollow temple]

yes

[runic bough]

[hollow temple]

gotta break out of this victim mentality homie

[daring oxide]

and i once saw triple outlaw

[vagrant saddle]

wasnt jpc playing outlaw in sanctum with liquid?

[daring oxide]

in MDI BFA

every team had triple outlaw

[prisma sapphire]

i don't think the meta has ever been as narrow as it was in BFA

but i didn't play legion

[daring oxide]

triple outlaw in BFA doing pirate dungeon

that was goat

[prisma sapphire]

BFA dungeons were goat

[runic bough]

I remember outlaw never being chosen.

[hollow temple]

on prog? i don't think so

[valid kindle]

meta on most legion patches was decently varied

[runic bough]

Tournaments never play outlaw.

[fluid iron]

[prisma sapphire]

well iunno if it was outlaw specifically that was meta in BFA

but rogue was meta

cause that shroud skipping

[latent oak]

assa was insane s1 outlaw was insane s2+3 right

[prisma sapphire]

sitting in queue for pug keys for like an hour to get into decently high keys was normal for me back then

it was awful

[runic bough]

If they do play outlaw it's severely gimped compared to meta of the week.

[latent oak]

most specs in the game are severely gimped compared to the meta of the week tho tbf

[fluid iron]

[runic bough]

And not to mention they don't do bug checks, so we don't know what else is even working as intended.

[runic bough]

We have to form some kind of bug testing union.

[latent oak]

u cant expect blizz to catch the corpse thing when we didnt catch it for years

[fluid iron]

tbf outlaw was only turbo broken for 80% of bfa

[vivid vessel]

2023

[fluid iron]

that last 20% sucked

[vivid vessel]

[latent oak]

and they fixed it within like 72hours of finding it

[runic bough]

Only due to publicity. But yes we are very thankful!

[latent oak]

how do they fix a bug no one knows exists

[runic bough]

We all knew it

We just had no proofs

[latent oak]

ppl thought it might

and had no proof

and cmon bro

we all didnt know it

a few ppl here had a feeling

[hollow temple]

[latent oak]

does this mean ptr in mid june ish?

[runic bough]

Why bother upgrading this month shit

Its gonna use useless next month

[hollow temple]

bro what

[runic bough]

Hello police

We had no time to enjoy bis ilvl of s2.

They already pumping out s3.

[fluid iron]

[latent oak]

it amazes me how ryu finds things to be annoyed about

[craggy quiver]

I still have heroic tier

[runic bough]

[latent oak]

he's annoyed the patch is coming too soon

[hollow temple]

its 3 months away dude

[fluid iron]

its fcking 3 and a half months away

like what

[hollow temple]

like

[runic bough]

You all fell for it

[hollow temple]

jesus

[runic bough]

[fluid iron]

like go scream at a cheese or smth

[hollow temple]

something like that

[latent oak]

big

[runic bough]

August isn't next month guys

Relax

I dont think anyone is bis yet

Anyone 678 ilvl yet?

Maybe some pros are by now

[hollow temple]

maybe some people in CN

[runic bough]

Don't you guys like to feel the power of bis gear for like a month?

So

That's fun

[fathom bramble]

Only thing that matters is having it before the end of the tier

[upbeat tundra]

mt

[hollow temple]

i won't get 'bis' either way

because i'm only doing m+ this season

[red zinc]

It is slightly earlier than expected

5 months and a week

Dont mind it though

guess we’ll get a longer season 3 so theres space for legion remix and a longer prepatch

[upbeat tundra]

5 more months of hitting ks

*minimum

[fathom bramble]

I wish dinars worked for everyone so people could actually get things like house of cards and mugzee wep without buying a boost

[runic bough]

If u do m+ you have 12 more vaults left hopefully your bis by then

And crafts

[hollow temple]

would be really nice yeah. i'm glad they added m+ trinkets at least. will be able to get a pacemaker/signet for assa

[shut lichen]

It's like Df season 2 timing

New expansion announcement into season 3

[hollow temple]

it's not like i'm trying to push r1 keys so full bis is w/e

[runic bough]

Majority of players don't have a good guild for content so its much easier to see higher content in bis gears. I enjoy end of season more than the rest.

Especially pugs, you can force more kills in mythic due to more bis gears.

But the end bosses always require a organized guild.

So casuals like me only get to see half of mythic raid bosses usually.

[shut lichen]

Damn thar reminds me I got to do some mythic guild hunting in 2 weeks

[wintry solar]

What they doin in Castle Nathria?

Mog farming for alts prolly

Great tier

[fathom bramble]

yeah it's a nice boost

[runic bough]

Castle of nathria was the same level of design as karazhan very good

[fathom bramble]

I just feel like dinars should be for M+ doers to get the raid gear they want for pushing keys

and it's unfortunately not part of blizzards design goals

[hollow temple]

agreed

same for raiders to get m+ trinkets

imo

[fathom bramble]

true

what about delve trinkets?

[upbeat tundra]

yes give raiders the shitty m+ gear have fun

[hollow temple]

they haven't said anything about delve trinkets

[runic bough]

What about pve'r to get pvp gears?

[shut lichen]

It's first iteration of it in an actual season so I'm too much

[hollow temple]

but those should def get added

[upbeat tundra]

give me those mythic raid items and we can fuck off to the game modes we enjoy

[shut lichen]

Some of those delve trinkets on myth would be turbo bis

[fathom bramble]

they should let me spend an enchanted crest to convert a delve item to myth track

[runic bough]

What's funny is the better trinkets are withheld.

[hollow temple]

huh..?

[runic bough]

[steel widget]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fathom bramble]

pve gear already works to an acceptable degree in pvp

[runic bough]

Like if I have all my pve gears, let me use dinar for pvp

[upbeat tundra]

wat

[shut lichen]

s1 flashbacks of SL

[runic bough]

[hollow temple]

stop trolling

[fathom bramble]

I feel like if you have your bis before dinars come out then your just done

[runic bough]

Outlaw is just lucky vers is the main stat so we don't have to worry about pvp gear.

[fathom bramble]

and you don't need any catchup gear

[shut lichen]

Getting farmed by pvpers for pvp gear to use in raid

Good times

[hollow temple]

some specs have been doing it this season btw

especially outlaw and sub

[runic bough]

You guys know how many other specs use vers as main stat? It's rare

They could use a dinar for pvp vers gear sure

[shut lichen]

Demo

[hollow temple]

arcane likes vers last i checked

[runic bough]

Not many tho

[shut lichen]

Well yeah of course

If you use vers it's either cause ur other stats suck

[runic bough]

A game is supposed to have many options. But this team is very narrow minded.

[shut lichen]

Or u have a lot of benefit in ur spec already that vers is just better

[fathom bramble]

demo profile(potentially out of date)

you gotta tick all 3 of the "my stats suck" checkboxes

[runic bough]

Like all the currency goes to waste every season.

[fathom bramble]

Haste scaling is broken for you for some reason
Your mastery is undertuned
You get lots of free crit in your spec

[shut lichen]

When was this from?

[fathom bramble]

it's just the simc profile

which sometimes falls out of date

[shut lichen]

Ah

[fathom bramble]

I doubt it's too far off if at all

[shut lichen]

It's not tbf

Looks about close

[fathom bramble]

I'm fairly certain there isn't another spec that blasts vers as hard as we do

like some other specs it's an okay stat like on demo

but it's just not the same as it is over here

[shut lichen]

WW b4 mastery was made goated

[fathom bramble]

yeah

[shut lichen]

Outlaw mastery being below mid

[runic bough]

Dinars could have been the "real" weekly vault. Get the item you want but it levels up between tiers and costs 100 crest to get to the next tier. Make currency useful instead of dead. Starts at veteran track but upgradable to mythic tier.

[shut lichen]

Crit being word due to bte

[fathom bramble]

sub is probably the closest to us for vers stacking lol

would be in the same boat we are if their mastery wasn't decent

[shut lichen]

Haste only needing to be at a certain level out of force

Man we do be the most versatile

[runic bough]

Hmmm

I kinda wanna try sub

But I said that about sin and never did

[wintry solar]

Finally.... BFA timewalking

[fathom bramble]

actually arcane might be more versatile than sub 🤔

[wintry solar]

Complete with Sethraliss

[runic bough]

When do we get a classic timewalking?????

[wintry solar]

Probably during anniversary events

[runic bough]

Those were real dungeons

[wintry solar]

I liked them

[shut lichen]

We get classic time walking now on rotation

[runic bough]

Much longer

More content

[tight kernel]

When would you take Improved Wound Poison

[wintry solar]

More interesting

[runic bough]

You had to cc mobs

Was nice

[shut lichen]

In pvp

[runic bough]

Rogue was used for sap

[shut lichen]

Or the 1 in a million use case where something heals way too much

[wintry solar]

I wouldn't mind if they went further back for M+ dungeons

[runic bough]

Classic dungeons compared to today would be called mega dungeons I guess.

[fathom bramble]

when they go further back they basically have to remake the dungeon entirely though

[shut lichen]

Wake up honey, time to run +12 Maraudon

[runic bough]

Yeah those were fun

[shut lichen]

Then we +3 and roll 15 wailing caverns

[runic bough]

Scarlet crusade

[shut lichen]

U have the mop ones

[runic bough]

Scarlet monastery

[wintry solar]

Me running a +15 Utgarde Keep

[shut lichen]

Which are better suited tbh

[fathom bramble]

just bring back plaguefall again

[wintry solar]

No

[shut lichen]

Trueing

[fathom bramble]

and underrot

[shut lichen]

Plaguefall last boss was a litmus test

[shut lichen]

Too soon

[fathom bramble]

never too soon for underrot

[shut lichen]

But also workshop

So idk

[fathom bramble]

should be in every M+ season

[runic bough]

Underrot is the hardest key to pug ever

Only pain and sadness

[shut lichen]

Temple of sethraliss

[wintry solar]

Peak

[shut lichen]

Even better the dumb cult one

With the stupid MC boss

[runic bough]

What was that troll dungeon called with the mount race

[fathom bramble]

looking through all the stat secondary distributions on bloodmallet it seems like only rogue and mage have specs that like vers

[wintry solar]

Kings Rest

[runic bough]

That was fun

[fathom bramble]

other than demo and a couple others that sort of accept vers

[wintry solar]

I think

[runic bough]

Not kings rest

[shut lichen]

Both arcane and outlaw have pretty bad mastery

So checks out

[fathom bramble]

I bet arcane gets free crit too

and haste some mechanic that devalues haste unlucky

[runic bough]

@desert tendon does arcane get free crit?

[wintry solar]

Tol Dagor plz come back :(

[shut lichen]

Tol Dagor is first boss then goes to shit

[wintry solar]

I need to show people rogue isn't useless and pick the lock after first boss

[shut lichen]

First pull is next though

[runic bough]

Its the troll dungeon where they turn into animal spirits

That was the bear mount timer

[wintry solar]

Bro just admitted he can't dodge swirlies

Point and laugh

[shut lichen]

Zul'aman?

[runic bough]

Yes!

I want that back!

[wintry solar]

Oh from wrath?

[runic bough]

ZulAman was so fun

[shut lichen]

Tbf new swirlies didn't exist back then

[wintry solar]

I saw it just fine

Skill issue

/dab

[shut lichen]

No argument there

[runic bough]

I must have tried a hundred times to get the bear mount never could time it with the pugs.

Got really close a few times

[wintry solar]

Holy moly I want scaling legacy dungeons that don't make the cut for M+

Forge of Souls

RAHHHH

[runic bough]

Time walking dungeons have turned into no tank needed kind of trivial.

[brave lagoon]

just end me

[runic bough]

Proper scaling would be great.

[wintry solar]

I agree

It makes me sad when dps pulls for me and they face tank whole packs

Makes me feel inadequate

And I play bdk right so I can't exactly gap the rest of the group

[runic bough]

I just did it on Tuesday.

I killed everything amd face pulled

[tight kernel]

Any KIR enjoyers here

I have a question. Do you guys baseline PC +1ft or dungeon base and drop PC for 2fth?

[wintry solar]

You are not gapping when everyone in your group starts at the exact same spot

Depends on dungeon needs pc

[runic bough]

Try them both

[tight kernel]

im just curious if that big cause kinda lazy to keep swapping 1 point around until i get to higher keys

[wintry solar]

I baseline pc because I'm slimy

[tight kernel]

ethical padder i respect

[gaunt phoenix]

i think pc is worth rn

1fth is hard tho

[vivid vessel]

im not playing pc in brew rn

[runic bough]

A lot of ppl play 1fh

[vivid vessel]

i dont think its worth

too many big packs

maybe im cooked tho

pc seems strong

[tight kernel]

or youre cookin

prob both

isnt like 2am for u go sleep?

[vivid vessel]

ye

i need to

[runic bough]

Zac how was keys?

[vivid vessel]

i timed 17 brew and 17 ml

[runic bough]

Nice

[vivid vessel]

but i sat in queue for 10 h

so

[tight kernel]

I mean if PC + 1fth is nutty i kinda want to baseline that

rather than run 2fth no pc

ya feel?

[runic bough]

You should ask around to form a team like wox has

You know a lot of other pro players im sure

[gaunt phoenix]

zac take advice from ryu

[wintry solar]

Network

[vivid vessel]

im bad at doing that

i dont speak to people

[runic bough]

Ask zeross to do it he's a social butterfly

[red zinc]

ill play resto shaman for you pookie

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix actually

this is mewdery

its the lowest i have sen pc sim at

[gaunt phoenix]

fair

[vivid vessel]

im not entirely wrong then

[gaunt phoenix]

prob not worth there

[wintry solar]

What dungeons is it worth in?

[vivid vessel]

ye i dont think it is at all

every other one i guess

xd

[wintry solar]

Lul

[gaunt phoenix]

idk i mean i dont run 16s so i will just use it

everywhere

[runic bough]

Well pc is nice for the bosses not so much trash also

[wintry solar]

Oh yeah true. I'm not going that high either

[runic bough]

Brew has cleave bosses

Except last boss after you kill the goons

[vivid vessel]

not relevant cleave

[runic bough]

Yeah I guess

[vivid vessel]

its legit the onyl dungeon where the cleave is ireelvant mostly

like pc has 0 value on bosses imo

[runic bough]

I see

[vivid vessel]

i was simming at 10 key level

and apparently

if you sim higher

it goes down

how weird

!

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

and dps goes up !

[vivid vessel]

this a 17

the other one was scaled for 10

[gaunt phoenix]

ah

[vivid vessel]

dungeon routes are a bit weird

i wish we could extract wcl data

and see like idk

how long you are fighting x number of mobs

[latent oak]

how does dungeon routes distribute damage

[vivid vessel]

like that i think

but idk

idk if it works because when you sim it says this

so idk

[gaunt phoenix]

hm

[vivid vessel]

which is the thing

[gaunt phoenix]

ye they changed something about it then

ill look into it

[tropic zephyr]

zac stop overloading raidbots

[vivid vessel]

mb cuh !

@gaunt phoenix

they kinda tryharded bte tho

more complex than our apl

[gaunt phoenix]

ye lol

[red zinc]

Wait you found the apl in the files?

[gaunt phoenix]

https://gist.github.com/Dorovon/79f9b342d4c902c5e0c0aa883a088e04

this is the extracted one-button rotation data in apl format apparently

[hollow temple]

interesting

[red zinc]

Would it be possible to run a sim with that apl or is that like crazy amounts of work

[hollow temple]

its possible

[gaunt phoenix]

yes you can

[red zinc]

maybe when its actually coded properly

[vivid vessel]

its about 0 amount of work

[hollow temple]

mages have already started simming the 1 button rotation

[vivid vessel]

cause the files you are seeing are already in apl "language"

[red zinc]

sim it then fuck it

[hollow temple]

and its like 10-15% worse dps than the optimal APL

[vivid vessel]

o

[red zinc]

even though i know itll be horrible for us

[hollow temple]

so far at least

[red zinc]

With no AR

[red zinc]

Frost mage? Or what

[hollow temple]

arcane

[red zinc]

I dont believe blizzard got that close on fire

[hollow temple]

idk how much worse fire/frost are

[red zinc]

Itll probably sim at like 20% of our sim dps now or smth

With no Ar

[hollow temple]

they'll add ADR

[red zinc]

ofc

[hollow temple]

at some point

[gaunt phoenix]

ambush,if=buff.hidden_opportunity.up

i like this

ambush with HO active !

[red zinc]

banger

[hollow temple]

they also need to remove KS during CS

so they definitely still have some work to do

[red zinc]

If they manage to get within like 15-20% on every class im impressed ngl

[gaunt phoenix]

well ye

[red zinc]

Thought they’d do much worse

[vivid vessel]

i mean

its not hard

to have a 90% apl

[red zinc]

not hard to remove the tp flag off ks either

[vivid vessel]

thats what we have in the faq basically

its like 3 buttons bro

[hollow temple]

with the extra GCD?

[vivid vessel]

well not with the extra gcd

thats another thing

[hollow temple]

a little impressive

[vivid vessel]

but like the prio list we have in the faq

is like

90% there

prolly more

and its quite simple

[red zinc]

I mean on outlaw that’d be worse than just doing 20% less damage (20% less gcds)

[vivid vessel]

ye

[red zinc]

Prolly like 25-30% impact

[tight kernel]

Do we have sims out for 1 button rotation

[red zinc]

That on top of a 90% apl

60-65% dps

[torpid fiber]

assume it's dogshit until proven otherwise

[hollow temple]

no

[tight kernel]

Im just curious on the numbers

[red zinc]

More than most people are doing

[tight kernel]

I saw the dk one and its cringe

Fire mage rotation doesnt use combust

[tropic zephyr]

yeah tbf if you think about it, getting 0.2s latency during BL for every haste/mast class is dogshit too

[upbeat tundra]

there's gonna be 1-button sims arent there

[tropic zephyr]

maybe fury doesn't care too much?

tho

fury is already one button

[upbeat tundra]

i want to do know what it does for aug

and tanks

does it actually hit their defensives

can i play bear and it just automatically hits ironfur

is there a gcd on ironfur

so many questions

[gaunt phoenix]

i can sim it, but adrenaline rush is missing

should i add it

xd

[red zinc]

If it isnt that much work why not

[hollow temple]

would be funny to see ngl

probably just ADR on CD

[gaunt phoenix]

no vanish either

idk

[upbeat tundra]

but vanish isnt a dps spell

🙂

[hollow temple]

might be better to just wait

[gaunt phoenix]

true

[hollow temple]

watch them leave rogue 1 button update til the last second though like tww beta 😢

[gaunt phoenix]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dHGYWUq5RwBExyELtcXXze

[hollow temple]

[red zinc]

145.8% massive

Aint ever seen a number that high on raidbots

[frank finch]

the one button doesnt use ar or vanish

i think

[hasty warren]

idk why but i'm leveling a new rogue to play assa

[upbeat tundra]

can you bind other shit to the one button

[red zinc]

They added ar manually

no vanish yet though

[upbeat tundra]

can i bind adr and potion and shit to it

[red zinc]

not worth the effort

[vivid vessel]

Bro wtf

Without adr?

[gaunt phoenix]

1.0m without ar

[red zinc]

AR has that little impact?

I mean I guess i get it without vanish

Nvm

[gaunt phoenix]

if you dont vanish

[vivid vessel]

Bro

[upbeat tundra]

imagine the one button rotation doing the mover DH builds

[vivid vessel]

It can do it now

[gaunt phoenix]

i will add just "vanish during ar"

[vivid vessel]

Cause it doesn't move anymore

[upbeat tundra]

i bet it could play the no cd bm build insane

[torpid fiber]

nvm this won't fix the issue I was hoping it would

[rain trout]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[wintry solar]

Wait

Wouldn't they still have to press vanish?

Manually?

[red zinc]

Currently yes

Will be fixed surely

[wintry solar]

Imagine

[tropic zephyr]

wait zac, you're on 15% haste rn?

how

bad

does it feel

[frank finch]

hw uses haste flask

[tropic zephyr]

oh yeah im dumb

noob strat tho

gear better smh

[wintry solar]

Tell em moe

I logged in and found myself at 19% haste

We don't ask questions when good things happen

[dense bolt]

thats hillarious

[quiet swallow]

playing ks on 1 arm bandit is rough

[jade abyss]

are there targets in m+ with more armor that we should avoid to hit when possible while cleaving?

[gaunt phoenix]

no

[tropic zephyr]

ok what do in this situation:

• 2 EB proc away from coup
• you have 2 EB procs ready to be consumed
• you SS and you don't get at full CP (you're now at 3 EB stacks)
• you will overcap CP if you press BF/PS

Do I just send a dispatch here or do I prefer overcapping

[gaunt phoenix]

just ss again

[tropic zephyr]

ok

would you ss at 6cp + bs ?

like

[gaunt phoenix]

no i would finish

[tropic zephyr]

yeah ok

thx

[gaunt phoenix]

[late swallow]

[wintry solar]

Lmao

[oblique cobalt]

I've tested some manually in Hekili .. theyre global for global with the assist mode.

Seems legit to me

[upbeat tundra]

missed a 17 flood by like 20 seconds

fuck my life

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[wintry solar]

I wish they had a grace period for untimed keys before they deplete

[oblique cobalt]

They don't know what theyre doing but like

they work I guess

[naive wyvern]

is it recommended 18% haste with all raid buffs or before raid buffs?

[upbeat tundra]

now imagine if the yellow class was just a red one instead that was an easy +17

[gaunt phoenix]

haste from rating

so gear + flask

[late swallow]

Sandbagging the group

[upbeat tundra]

im literally an affix in these keys

[late swallow]

Those 4 other players will never invite a rogue to their keys

[sacred timber]

So is KIR higher damage than HO single target? I sim higher for HO atm

[late swallow]

Reverse proselytizing

[upbeat tundra]

i know it was my key did u think they brought me in the first place lmao

[latent oak]

when ur playing with arcane as outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

on pure single target, KIR fatebound vs HO trickster is close/depends on gear

[latent oak]

it just feels like u existing makes them do less damage

and makes u feel worthless xd

[upbeat tundra]

they qued as a 4 stack i just took the first couple people that signed up

[latent oak]

not flaming u

[gaunt phoenix]

i am

fuck you !

[latent oak]

!

[hollow temple]

could've done more dps !

[sacred timber]

Yeah i have the 18% without the flask but HO still sims higher for me

[upbeat tundra]

it was a good run overall, but the rsham healing does not feel very good ngl we had 2 deaths on swamptits to just rotting out

[late swallow]

You or mage dying is crazy

Tell me it was the druid

[upbeat tundra]

mage and boomie

[late swallow]

Yeah boomie is made of piss

[wintry solar]

Nuh uh

[upbeat tundra]

i didnt die the whole key so thats a W

[wintry solar]

Follower M+ would be harder than regular M+ no cap

[hollow temple]

🇼

[latent oak]

feint does work on the swampface aoe right?

its not just elu

[upbeat tundra]

i think it does

it feels like it does

not sure tho

[gaunt phoenix]

pure single target is just Sprocket anyway, every other boss has at least some aoe to benefit trickster more

[latent oak]

sometimes i dip lower than i think i should with feint rpessed

[dense bridge]

ion acknowledged outlaw being a lot to manage so do you reckon that means there may be a rework on the horizon

[wintry solar]

Depends on my mood

[covert kestrel]

were going to be the only class where you have to play the one button hekili, everythinbg else is banned

[hollow temple]

i think the main point he was making was that they need better UI functions so players know what to react to. not making a point about changing classes

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[wintry solar]

That and it'd probably be a lot to juggle the UI thing and outlaw revamp 2.0

[gaunt phoenix]

i could outlaw coming down to earth a bit in the distant future

[dense bridge]

they have class devs working on ui stuff?

[wintry solar]

Yeah for sure

[proven ocean]

Hello

People and peoplement

[wintry solar]

But Ion hinting changes so soon idk about that

Hi Zeross

[gaunt phoenix]

helo

[hollow temple]

goodbye

[proven ocean]

Bye good

[wintry solar]

How are things

[proven ocean]

What things

[desert tendon]

as they are

usually

if a thing isnt as it is then it isnt the thing u thought it was

[proven ocean]

Sunflower..don’t mess with my head I just woke u

[desert tendon]

as simple as that

[proven ocean]

Up

Cuh

[wintry solar]

I was asking how you are

[proven ocean]

Wait

[wintry solar]

I'm being friendly

[desert tendon]

dont be friendly to this piece of jerry mouse

wtf

[proven ocean]

Right

[late swallow]

New keys are banger

[proven ocean]

Oh

[gaunt phoenix]

[proven ocean]

Me good me good

[wintry solar]

Sometimes you gotta show patience even to those that don't deserve it

[proven ocean]

How are you

[wintry solar]

That's good

[proven ocean]

Sunflower

[wintry solar]

I'm doing great, though I miss my rogue.

At work

[proven ocean]

Guys

I think my brain feels like there’s a truck parked on top of it rn

[desert tendon]

YOOOO LBRS

[proven ocean]

I probably need a gallon of redbull to wake up

[desert tendon]

btw

[wintry solar]

Bros thirsty

[desert tendon]

they day they release a season looking like that

i think wow will lose 90% of the playerbase

period

[late swallow]

Would be a banger season

No cap

[wintry solar]

Halls of Reflection is goated tho ngl

[late swallow]

Old hillsbrad m+ with an hour timer would be crazy

[proven ocean]

That’s an interesting way to quit wow

[desert tendon]

i m stuck on ZG and lbrs

and

nah

never ever ever

[proven ocean]

Censi

I had a weird dream

[desert tendon]

was i inside?

[wintry solar]

Imagine 35 minutes into a key and you're only halfway done and the healer leaves

[late swallow]

[proven ocean]

Felt like I dreamt about assassination coffee but idk what it was or meant

Like

If sin rogue fucked coffee

The child would be the dream

[desert tendon]

imagine a raid where u kill 11 bosses, and you re only halfway of it

tbf

[proven ocean]

Does that make sense

[desert tendon]

i think one day

[proven ocean]

[late swallow]

[desert tendon]

they ll mess with ubrs and make it a mega dungeon

[wintry solar]

Whoa

[desert tendon]

in multiple parts

[dense bridge]

diremaul mega dungeon (or scarlet or stratholme)
mythic gnomergan
mythic wailing caverns

[late swallow]

We need classic dungeons as keys immediately

[proven ocean]

Hi how was ur stock market movie in 2011

[late swallow]

Imagine stockades with like a 15 min timer

[proven ocean]

Oh

[late swallow]

Blitz key

[proven ocean]

That’s not you

[dense bridge]

[proven ocean]

Thought u were the movie guy

[late swallow]

Bro doesn’t tip

[dense bridge]

my pfp is from reservoir dogs

[late swallow]

He doesn’t believe in it

[proven ocean]

Somnius

U remember when I sent u that machine

That makes u not go to the toilet anymore

[late swallow]

Yeah the piss to ass plug

Banger

[proven ocean]

Idk why but

When I opened instagram the first real was

[dense bridge]

colostomy bag gaming?

[proven ocean]

Idk how to explain this but

He was pumping air into his ass to create a fart wtf

[desert tendon]

zero

why u dreaming

of fucking coffee?

[proven ocean]

How do these things show up in there

Thought it’d get censored

[late swallow]

Renewable energy is based

[proven ocean]

No no

[wintry solar]

I wish flavored coffee was good

[dense bridge]

that reminds me of a story i read where some guy tried to vacuum a fart out of his ass but instead he vacuumed out his lower intestine

[proven ocean]

[late swallow]

That’s not good

[wintry solar]

I remember that

[proven ocean]

Guys

I’m hungry what do I eat

[wintry solar]

To cook or take out?

[latent belfry]

uber eats

[upbeat tundra]

dont time the 17 flood by 20 seconds, dh tank obliterates the 16 and fails the box skip by momma, got that nice lil 15

[cinder oxide]

Killed sprocketmonger from the floor, literally because I didn't have time to set up my desk and chair in my new apartment before raid 😐

[frank finch]

gamer

[desert tendon]

clean gaming setup

that s a 4500 io one

and i know what i m talking about

@proven ocean take exemple, free io

[dense bolt]

I mean kinda cozy shoulda lit the fireplace on

[desert tendon]

i wouldnt lit the fireplace right next to the pc

[sullen wyvern]

guys

haven't you noticed that since outlaw bugfix there hasnt been any more DDoS attacks

[sullen wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-coincidence-i-think-not-the-incredibles-gif-5096707

[fathom bramble]

blade flurry hitting the dead was the actual cause of the lag

[desert tendon]

Bel

[fathom bramble]

not a ddos

confirmed

[desert tendon]

u forgot the real one?

[lime lake]

i wasnt playing during that saga

so i missed the fun

[sullen wyvern]

I was thinking more of some outlaw player was DDoSing blizzard until it got fixed

Understandable

[desert tendon]

(✿◕ᴗ◕)っ💕✨ Omg!! So you wanna be an Outlaw Rogue?? 🌊🏴‍☠️💨 Well, buckle up cutie bc it’s time to go full ✨ sneaky stabby swashbuckler mode!! ✨

🌟 What is an Outlaw Rogue?? 🌟
UwU~~ It’s the most chaotic, flashy, zoom-zoom rogue spec!! ⚔️💖 Unlike the sneaky-shadowy rogues that hide in the dark 🥷, Outlaw Rogues are like ✨high-energy pirate assassins✨, dashing around, slicing enemies up, and making RNG their bestie with Roll the Bones!! 🎲🎲💫

🌊 Playstyle?? 🏴‍☠️
Imagine being a super fast, dual-wielding anime protagonist who never stops moving, slashing, and dodging!! 💃💥 You’ll be swinging your lil’ stabby-stabs 🗡️🗡️ while rolling dice 🎲 for bonus effects (bc gambling is cute, right?? 🥺👉👈). Oh, and if something tries to hit you?? Nope!! You just Parrrryyy it~ 💖✨
OwO omg wike imagine being pwoud of using Keep It Wolling~ 🥺👉👈 Such a wazy-wazy wittle ability desu~ UwU It’s wike, “Oh nyo, I pwessed one button and now I go zoom zoom without thinking! Teehee😽✨” Weal wogues use skillzies, not this silly biwwy auto-mode abiwity! 🌸🎀 Is baby’s fingews too tiny to pwess mowe than one key? 🍼😳 Ooh you sooooo stwong and pwo gamer! 😻 Maybe twy doing weal wogue things next time, senpai! 😜💕 Keep It Wolling? Mowe wike Keep It BOWING~ down to bettew wogues wike me, hehe UwU~ 😇💖✨

on that note

good night guys

@lime lake

[lime lake]

[desert tendon]

i dont remember who made these but what a masterpiece

[runic bough]

[upbeat tundra]

chatgpt makes them

[dawn talon]

were you laying on your stomach kicking your feet back and forth

[wintry solar]

Me when I get a text from my crush

[elder phoenix]

so is outlaw still good

[sullen wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/edp-i-mean-its-all-right-gif-26702511

[dawn talon]

pretty good

[elder phoenix]

even without

[dawn talon]

now that pc is actually doing something

i actually feel like i noticeably have a strength

[upbeat tundra]

yea the fixes were pretty omega

and pc puts in work for sure

[dawn talon]

if you're not playing a build with pc i don't know how much of a difference you'll notice though

[sullen wyvern]

its 5%

for KiR at least

and for me

[late swallow]

Compensatory outlaw nerfs when?

[upbeat tundra]

they wont nerf outlaw pretty sure

i would be worried if it was early in a tier and bf cleave was randomly omega insane in a raid fight

but its not so i think its alright

[covert kestrel]

Zac is doing too well

We need to nerf the bottom 99% to compensate

[latent oak]

historically in raid, which fights were the ones that bladeflurry popped off on?

goes pretty hard on stix

but meme boss etc

[upbeat tundra]

the ones where warrior dominates harder

[latent oak]

ya exactly

[gaunt phoenix]

historically?

[late swallow]

council in VOTI went hard for law

[upbeat tundra]

i mean thats why outlaw doesnt exactly catch a bunch of nerfs that often

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah the rare sustain cleave fights like Orgozoa

[upbeat tundra]

oh we were kinda sick in that one council fight in s1 or s2 df

imagine if we had current pc then

[late swallow]

we'd still get high diffed by hunters that fight

[latent oak]

did we get pc in tww beta

[upbeat tundra]

wasnt it just called council

[late swallow]

i remember MM was omega dumb that fight

[latent oak]

ya but that fight was tailor made for mm

[upbeat tundra]

no

[late swallow]

yeah primal council in voti

[upbeat tundra]

i thi nk pc got nerfed in like df s1

[gaunt phoenix]

ye it did

[upbeat tundra]

it wasnt even that good

[cinder relic]

It was p good

Cuz vault was very low target cleave

[upbeat tundra]

it was OK lets be real

nobody was dominating on outlaw because of it lol

it was prob cause of some raid bullshit

[tight kernel]

Magnet trink is on cd unless dmg window comes then u hold right?

[cinder relic]

well thats what I said

Vault was a very low target cleave raid

[upbeat tundra]

bro were we hitting dead targets in algethar the entire fucking time on the first pull

[gaunt phoenix]

yea that's fine

[upbeat tundra]

that makes me angry

[cinder relic]

I'm talkin abt the raid tho

[upbeat tundra]

o ok i didnt read anything

[wintry solar]

Where does magnet drop? Raid?

[gaunt phoenix]

stix

[wintry solar]

10-4

[peak dock]

May i ask wich items do you think i have to spend dinars on as a non mythic raider?? All 12s timed

[hollow temple]

you can run droptimizer sims to see

[fathom bramble]

you guys should go look at the council stats again lol

we were better on the ST fights than we were on the council fight in voti

[peak dock]

No please, no council again

[fathom bramble]

that 2 target fight with the earth ele was also much better for us

[peak dock]

I fucking hate ducks

[latent oak]

not that council

[peak dock]

Oh

[fathom bramble]

I think the last time there was a fight that BF was tuned high and we had an encounter that actually took advantage of it was orgozoa

other than the current tier of course

[main vine]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[fathom bramble]

sustained cleave that matters has just been so rare in raid in general

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

what in the cow is going on

how did u even play

like

laying down

or

[brazen salmon]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[vapid sundial]

Peak

wow

laying down on hardwood floor

ur chest hurting

[viral flume]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[wicked acorn]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[pliant wind]

our details is only bladeflurry even bte is 10-12% of total dmg, is not beautiful to watch haha

[viral flume]

hi quick question, with tier set and supercharger, we roll the bones if we have less than 4 OR LESS combo points?

assuming outside of crackshot window?

!rtb

[ornate heath]

How to use RTB
( HO build)

• Roll on cooldown until you get a 5 buff. If you have 4 total buffs including CTO, you can choose to keep them until 3, it's not an expected dps loss or gain.

( KIR build)

• Has a concept of buffs being preserved through RTB casts after pressing KIR instead of being rolled off.
• Use this weakaura to see how many buffs you "will lose" by pressing RTB (red or blue border).
• Roll if you will lose between 0-2 buffs.
• Roll if you will lose between 3-4 buffs if they are all below ~10s remaining.
• If you KIR a natural 5 buff, wait until buffs approach ~41s remaining before rolling.

The faq elaborates on these rules.

[gaunt phoenix]

ho build rolls if you have less than 4 buffs active

even during stealth

[pliant wind]

ye its simplier than kir

but can have situations that if you are unlucky its ugh

[viral flume]

Understood. Appreciate all youve done mr solo and everyone else

Fav spec hopefully can do some piddly 16s now that people have .05% chance of hope

[cloud thunder]

me when one pull im 300k higher than normal jus tbecause im lucky

[whole patrol]

one day ill get a good stix parse right😅 maybe when my group learns to bring adds in

[gaunt phoenix]

funny boss

[tulip jewel]

just int your ball into the boss

[whole patrol]

its the same for sin, like they dont bring em in to boss for cleave. I mean i got low purple tonight cuz of crab placement, but like i know i could get better if i could cleave more

[novel timber]

outlaw for gally

troll?

[gaunt phoenix]

im not qualified to answer but zac and lok like it

[whole patrol]

i did outlaw on gally and almost died twice to spree lol

[gaunt phoenix]

i think they mean mythic

[cinder oxide]

yes

[novel timber]

yes mythic

[glass mortar]

its decent damage

its a little tricky to play

u gotta play spree with cloak around each pillar

and when the boss turns his butt in a certain way kspree can teleport u into the shock balls so u need to watch for that

i think zacs posted vods of himself on that fight

and kspree usage

[cinder oxide]

laying on the floor kicking my feet and giggling

was only like 10 pulls so not terrible but owie owie my back

[gaunt phoenix]

#outlaw message

[novel timber]

could i get a link to that vod

if it exists

[cinder oxide]

actually my guilds back because >.<

[novel timber]

tysm

[gaunt phoenix]

umm this might not be exactly what he was saying

[light dune]

in the situations where you dont get the 6th buff CTO'd whats the minimum duration before you KIR the 5 buffs? When they're at 12 seconds to go to 42 seconds to be above the container or are you fishing all the way until 1 second is remaining.

[gaunt phoenix]

it doesnt seem to affect sim dps but i would still kir for the container as you said

[light dune]

kk sounds good

[cinder relic]

Outlaw is very good for gally

Just have to be good at the spec

Sin sucks sub sucks

Play law

[novel timber]

so besides making sure you land within a quadrant in p1 when ksing is there anything other you need to watch out for before sending it

[cinder relic]

Only general rogue advice I can say is use cloak in p1 to dodge the run away mechanic

Just cloak 1st, cloak 3rd

And then ofc save cloak for immune

[light dune]

cheat 2nd 📈

[cinder relic]

Honestly not a terrible idea, you can't die on gally

[pearl topaz]

has anyone actually tested whether the RTB probabilities are as they should be with the set bonuses/talents etc

[novel timber]

we don't wanna send cloak with ks or are we not at risk this fight

[cinder relic]

Cheat as a defensive for parsing is low key just correct

[gaunt phoenix]

no

we did on ptr

but then they changed it

[cinder relic]

Ud have to ask @fathom bramble or @vivid vessel

You shouldn't need to hold cloak for ks

The fight does 0 damage

Its like, legit impossible to die on the fight imo

The fight does no dmg

[glass mortar]

i think they said u need cloak for 1 kspree during beams

and then u break shield by time second is up

dont think u can press it during that mechanic otherwise

[hybrid crown]

anyone know - if you kill a mythic boss on your main can you buy a dinar item for that boss on your alt?

[tulip jewel]

https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkx9Sp97t_03G1anMKzOCJIiJenNNMyU6uz?si=vSYUyx0AofG8O3v7

[hybrid crown]

I am guessing likely not

[tulip jewel]

just need to watch the anchor point

[novel timber]

it seems like zac sent it without but making sure he landed within a quadrant

[light dune]

ye like arya said

its anchored on gally super hard

[glass mortar]

zacs also probably playing greedy af because he has cloak /cheat off cd

but maybe its safe during some of them?

pretty sure he said u need cloak for one of them at some point. but id need to look back

[proven ocean]

guys

with dinar

can we buy m+ items

like signet of priory

or?

[cinder relic]

Oh yeah u cloak beans

In opener

That makes more sense

[cinder relic]

Yep

[proven ocean]

hmm

idk if i buy that or house of cards then

[cinder relic]

Pacemaker

[proven ocean]

have it already

[cinder relic]

Hoc has the ramp effect

Something to keep in mind

[empty elbow]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[proven ocean]

i need jastor 678, and maybe HoC/Priory trinket and eye of kezan ideally?

but idk jastor is definitely important but trinket will 100% be my first

is dinar next reset btw?

or when

[gaunt phoenix]

may 13

[proven ocean]

fuck

too long

[pliant wind]

priory +15 feels good

[cold jewel]

you dont already have mythic HoC? noob

[proven ocean]

guys can i like go to these german chambers where they freeze me irl and hope for future technology to revive me? i want to do that but wake up on may 13

[gaunt phoenix]

[novel timber]

how do we know where the anchor point is on gally, i feel like it's pretty everywhere

[gaunt phoenix]

u need to at least play to save crests by then

[cold jewel]

save crests? dont they unlock the same time the vendor arrives?

the cap i mean

[gaunt phoenix]

ye it uncaps

but i want all my loot on day 0

[cold jewel]

tru

[wintry solar]

Is priory trinket good? I've only been using it as ilvl

[gaunt phoenix]

it's fine

[cold jewel]

it gives highest secondary

so pretty good if not bis for a lot of specs

[wintry solar]

I c

Been running that and house of cards

[pliant wind]

I still have a Capo champion 658 off-hand at 671 ilvl, even a dagger 675 crafted sims less

its a lie?

[covert kestrel]

cantrip gud

[celest cobalt]

Have a good laugh on me. Been playing wow for 20 years. Rogue for 15 of that. Mainly play assa. Come back to outlaw. Can't figure out why the fuck killing spree keeps only hitting one or two targets. Get pissed off. Finally read KS is now a finisher that requires cp. Feelsbadman.

[novel timber]

[wintry solar]

Lul

[gaunt phoenix]

rip

[pliant wind]

rep

[gaunt phoenix]

its correct, capo is bis

[cinder relic]

Does dinar on outlaw seem wrong?

for wowhead

[gaunt phoenix]

link

[cinder relic]

Is capo better than iron thumb?

[gaunt phoenix]

yea it is

[pliant wind]

it always sims more for me, capo is very good

[upbeat tundra]

do i buy a mythic mugzee carry

and then dinar the weapon

[zealous plinth]

I was thinking about exactly that too 🤣

[upbeat tundra]

its like for sure not puggable right

[gaunt phoenix]

might put pacemaker in there

[cinder relic]

Yep

[pliant wind]

didnt see this

[cinder relic]

Gonna fix em up tomorrow with that

[pliant wind]

[zealous plinth]

Yeah Pretty sure, and due to my work (Shift work) I’ll Never find a good myth guild

That’s basically why I’m mad that dinars arent like df s4^^

No Chance to find a good guild when you ain’t be there every 2nd raid or not at all some weeks

[wintry solar]

Same

I barely raided this tier and idk when I'll have a consistent raid schedule again

I really like the raid as well

[zealous plinth]

Same. I’ll only would have constant raid schedule when i‘d quit my job

[lavish shoal]

yo zac on your wa what is no sc

or anyone that knows

its frying my brain rn

[pliant wind]

no sexycharacter

its to transmog

supercharge i guess?

[upbeat tundra]

gonna spend my dinar on a mythic honey buzzer

[pliant wind]

[upbeat tundra]

the remnant of darkness sims highest actually kek

[pliant wind]

only used it 2 times

i dont like it

:/

[zealous plinth]

For me it feels like all trinkets are kinda the same for outlaw

[upbeat tundra]

thats what the sims say basically

not too many things actual upgrades

[quaint wharf]

!rtb

[ornate heath]

How to use RTB
( HO build)

• Roll on cooldown until you get a 5 buff. If you have 4 total buffs including CTO, you can choose to keep them until 3, it's not an expected dps loss or gain.

( KIR build)

• Has a concept of buffs being preserved through RTB casts after pressing KIR instead of being rolled off.
• Use this weakaura to see how many buffs you "will lose" by pressing RTB (red or blue border).
• Roll if you will lose between 0-2 buffs.
• Roll if you will lose between 3-4 buffs if they are all below ~10s remaining.
• If you KIR a natural 5 buff, wait until buffs approach ~41s remaining before rolling.

The faq elaborates on these rules.

[runic bough]

AHHHH

im so triggeered

[wintry solar]

Most of them are boring too

Did you play bfa?

Bfa had great trinkets

[runic bough]

IM SO TIRED OF MY CP GOING AWAY ON PULLL

GOTTA WAIT TIL EVERYONE ATTACKS BEFORE I POP ADR

AHHHH

police they made it so we cant pop adr until after everyone hits the boss in raid

[wintry solar]

https://tenor.com/view/cops-police-sirens-catching-crminals-what-you-gonna-do-gif-22472645

I'm here

[runic bough]

yes can you have a talk with them plz

[lavish shoal]

why arent u adr prepull and snd?

is there tech