outlaw

[twilit nest]

yo idk if tomelvis is @proven ocean or @vivid vessel

[sullen wyvern]

zac

[twilit nest]

but one of yall is doing insane work

nice fucking job!

[late swallow]

zac is one of the best to ever do it

[covert kestrel]

zeross is tompelvis

[twilit nest]

NICE WORK ZAC

[late swallow]

idk why guy is green name and not zac

[covert kestrel]

and is also a spec traitor

[cinder haven]

Tomrus wants the myth track trinkets on 7+

He’s very consistent at least

[cold falcon]

hey guys, where is the source of the outlaw changes?

[covert kestrel]

his name is solo

[twilit nest]

brah what teh fuck @vivid vessel

youre nasty

gj

[cinder relic]

Blizzard

[late swallow]

he's literally been the best outlaw for a bunch of patches now

[twilit nest]

guess he knows how to roll them bones

[late swallow]

maximus was goated too, but I don't think he's playing anymore

[manic kestrel]

havent dropped a weapon in 2 weeks, is it reasonable to just have a whole different rogue character just to go outlaw?

[twilit nest]

so zac is the best raid outlaw there is

and zeross the best key outlaw?

[cinder relic]

Just spend a spark to craft one

[cold falcon]

i don't find it in the forum, i would like a source in the pinned comment 😄

[late swallow]

unironically I think zac is just consistently the best all rounder outlaw

wox is really good, but he has his homies to play with

[runic bough]

Zeross is sin rogue

[twilit nest]

let me in gn

[runic bough]

Wox is best key outlaw

Zac raid

[twilit nest]

[twilit nest]

idk bout that

[runic bough]

Well Zac is good at both

[late swallow]

i think zac could do the keys that wox is doing if he had a group like wox does

[runic bough]

Wox is only keys

[covert kestrel]

zeross just goes wherever the numbies are, he would play a class that punches him in the nuts every gcd if it meant beating everyone on the damage meters

[late swallow]

ross is also unironically cracked af

[twilit nest]

zeross is crazy

[cinder relic]

Uhm

[twilit nest]

he was doing insane numbers on DF apparentlly

[late swallow]

if you're talking about best rogues, ross and zac are defs in the conversation

[twilit nest]

uhhh...... uhmmm..... please?

[twilit nest]

what a bout

a guy

called

david

"sec"

that only has purple parses

[shut lichen]

JPC is my goat

fuck the others

[late swallow]

i miss jpc

[twilit nest]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/95607138

[shut lichen]

[twilit nest]

blue average

blue log

rogu4e

blue log rogue

[late swallow]

jpc DF streams were goated

they did the first 32 WCM

with their group

Nerf ended up toe walking and going non verbal in a WCM iirc

[chilly dagger]

Jpc/yoda/Elle streams better

[twilit nest]

i need FUU s treams

i need fuu trstreas

streams

[red zinc]

yeah ok we getting tazavesh m+ next season

[twilit nest]

really?

i dont think sooooooooooooooooooooooo

i though the twin whatever tazavesh was next expac

midnight

[red zinc]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/overcharged-delves-and-the-titan-disc-belt-possible-new-borrowed-power-in-patch-376669?utm_source=discord-webhook @vivid vessel new ring but its a belt

[shut lichen]

jokes on you, i miss that dungeon

[red zinc]

so do i

[sullen wyvern]

I wish they would walk away from these systems

[red zinc]

well streets

gambit was alright nothin crazy

[sullen wyvern]

Like honestlly, just 100% away from these systems

[red zinc]

might not even be good who knows

not clear from their post though

[vivid vessel]

i know right

[sullen wyvern]

They're gonna somehow force it to be your BiS belt and force you to do weekly shit to upgrade it

[red zinc]

weekly delves is w/e

[sullen wyvern]

I dont do delves at all

[shut lichen]

lots of assumptions going on there

[sullen wyvern]

I despise them

[red zinc]

krill issue

[glass mortar]

I'll take free player power to make my prog easier

Holy fuk this ce is gunna he

So free

[sullen wyvern]

I just dont like them, not because theyre hard just not my type of content

[vivid vessel]

whats that

[red zinc]

.7 content

[glass mortar]

6 more ilvl plus 9% more Raid buff plus a possible borrowed power belt??

[vivid vessel]

ah its a ring

ok

[glass mortar]

Gally gunna flop

[vivid vessel]

delves only maybe

[red zinc]

the new item is a belt

[vivid vessel]

ort

[sullen wyvern]

a belt

[glass mortar]

So hard

[red zinc]

from the special delves

ye

[glass mortar]

SPECIAL DELVE

[sullen wyvern]

basically siren isle ring but for your waist

[glass mortar]

WHERE PTR

[dawn talon]

dude i really hope this belt isn't like 700 billion ilvl

mandatory to equip

[vivid vessel]

bro

[dawn talon]

i don't want to do delves man

[vivid vessel]

imagine they drop ptr

and ks is fixed

[late swallow]

new cock ring borrowed power?

[vivid vessel]

IMAGINE

[late swallow]

based

[glass mortar]

I hope it's 10% more dps

[vivid vessel]

IMAGINE GUYS

[glass mortar]

From delvrs

Scales with how many delves uve done all expac

!!!

[red zinc]

gotta keep imaging till next week

[sullen wyvern]

along with a 10% bf nerf

[vivid vessel]

can you ghuiys stop talking

about outlaw nerf

its not even good bro

litteraly worse rogue spec

[late swallow]

how much are they nerfing outlaw by?

[vivid vessel]

0 bro

[plush flint]

imagine nerfing outlaw lmao

[daring oxide]

why would outlaw even get nerfed

[vivid vessel]

you have 2 rogue specs

that are better than outlaw

in keys

and you think

[late swallow]

crazy

[vivid vessel]

outlaw is getting nerfed

[daring oxide]

all they did was made us to normal aoe damage during big pulls, where previously we would do less/negative damage

[vivid vessel]

have you guys heard of udk

or

[late swallow]

yeah but outlaw is overperforming with the bugfixes now

they have to tune accordingly

[vivid vessel]

overperforming compared to what

[shut lichen]

overperforming for who?

[plush flint]

Honestly buff KiR a little 🙂

[late swallow]

compared to before

[vivid vessel]

its not evemn overperforming other rogue specs

now we soft cap bf

and we can have a talk

[red zinc]

outlaw overperforming in my 8's

compensatory nerf when

[shut lichen]

ur going to be waiting awhile for that talk

[daring oxide]

shut ya gob

[late swallow]

just saying you have to be fair

can't just be getting free damage left and right

[daring oxide]

these idiots man

we need buffs

not nerfs

shut all traps

[late swallow]

that kind of attitude is not helpful btw

[vivid vessel]

blocking the next person that talks about outlaw nerf

[red zinc]

outlaw buff

that means you have to kiss me instead

[agile orchid]

reminds me of DF beta when you bozos would beg for nerfs

[fluid meadow]

yea, we need compensation, give us every dmg backwards to seasons what we lost there

[vivid vessel]

its everytime

i mean

even this season

dont you guys remmeber

week 1

they were begging for nerfs

[agile orchid]

well technically we did get nerfed with the bug fix

and no compensation

[cinder relic]

and we just got like 5% buffs with bug fixes and no compenstation

[vivid vessel]

fr

[agile orchid]

we have yet to see that

[cinder relic]

wdym

GM Deft and BF fixes are easily 5% buffs

[agile orchid]

I mean the compensation part

[silver sluice]

Overall is def up by like 5% yeah

[agile orchid]

blizzard will see the big yellow bar on stix and panic nerf

[covert kestrel]

is that before or after they simplify the spec into the gutter

[silver sluice]

Oh yeah, for pure ST we got night when we got hit with the double coup bug sure

[red zinc]

oh wait the .7 ptr is out i guess

not live but the download is there

guess we might get datamined class changes soon

[vivid vessel]

ks change ?????????

[agile orchid]

will they simplify it though

[cinder relic]

they should

[red zinc]

idk theyre datamining the mounts and transmogs now though

[hollow temple]

they added m+ trinkets to dinar vendors

[agile orchid]

I feel like the 1 button rotation thing is a compromise for people that like more complex stuff

[hollow temple]

W

[vivid vessel]

who tf cares about mounts

[covert kestrel]

chess hoverboard mount goes 🅱️ razy

[vivid vessel]

ks changes

where

2tf

WTF

I CARES ABOUT MOUNTS

BANGER

[covert kestrel]

theres 4 colors

[agile orchid]

you think there are going to be class changes?

[red zinc]

i like this one too

[vivid vessel]

WE DIDNT GET ANY IN 11.1.5

SURELTY

IN .7

WTF

WHY AM I SCREAMING

[agile orchid]

sorry man the development bandwidth is taken with the ingame hekili

[silver sluice]

Did you bind KS to caps lock so you can say fuck in so caps ASAP after death?

[covert kestrel]

imagine not turning caps lock into a layer modifier so you have ez access to another set of hotkeys

[vivid vessel]

ye its a modifier to me

but

i dont use it much

i have my mounts

thats it

[shut lichen]

ptr notes aren't even out yet

so there is hope

[hybrid crown]

I want the purple motorcycle

Wait

Can you get that now??!?!!??!!??!?1

[shut lichen]

fuck knows

[hybrid crown]

Oh nope

[shut lichen]

but how about those Lakers amirite?

[hybrid crown]

Horrific visions

[covert kestrel]

LETS GO TIMBERPUPPIES

[shut lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/bring-ya-ass-ant-anthony-edwards-minnesota-minnesota-timberwolves-gif-5348504649254832929

[covert kestrel]

big dick ant

[glass mortar]

if u got ur title during the event u shuld be able to get it whenever

if u didnt then l bozod

[shut lichen]

that's the green one no?

[glass mortar]

actually idk if u mean the puzzle color or the mountain dew color

[red zinc]

nba channel plug https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1124112891524685905

[glass mortar]

yeye mb i forgot the color flavors were different sources

[covert kestrel]

did you do the dew

[shut lichen]

lmao didn't even know this existed

[summer swan]

nimble flurry makes bf damage for %75 ?

[vivid vessel]

no

its multiplicative

50*1.25

[summer swan]

k thx

what do you think about rn about outlaw?

but precise is additive right?

[vivid vessel]

ye

[covert kestrel]

i think its usually pretty yellow

[hybrid crown]

There's a purple one coming with visions

That's one we haven't seen yet. I have the green one and the diabetes one

[frank finch]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/collectors-bounty-buff-in-patch-11-1-7-increased-legacy-loot-drops-376666?utm_source=discord-webhook

[frail veldt]

definitely yeah

[red zinc]

aight no class changes

its joever

[vivid vessel]

how do you know

[frail veldt]

I think outlaw has more than enough wiggle room to take a 5% buff from bug fixes and not become op

[vivid vessel]

wtf

patch dropped

no class changes

[frail veldt]

could have probably received a 10-15% and wed still barely be meta

[vivid vessel]

this is crazy

[red zinc]

just wait another week

cant doom yet

dont always get changes week 1

[vivid vessel]

we always do i think ?

its its weird

2 patches in a row ?

[frank finch]

well weran got what he wanted

[vivid vessel]

wioth nothig

[frank finch]

harder delves

[glass mortar]

zac its ok its ok we can keep coping

isnt the normal cycle for patches now

they announce the new "content"

then ptr comes up

then we find 100 changes on ptr not in the announce

then they announce class changes

[chilly dagger]

Tuning after mdi

[light dune]

is there still an optimization about using deft at 2-3 target count at like 4-5 cp as long as it gets you max CP or is it just not a thing as of 14 days ago

[keen belfry]

did i just read someone saying outlaw needs nerfs?

[frail veldt]

ye outlaw is so op rn

broken

topping damage in weekly keys

completely unfair

[jolly geyser]

unholy needs aoe buff

[shell fossil]

nerf?

[keen belfry]

LFM +12 ToP, need 1 tank, 1 healer, 1 dps, 1 dps

[shell fossil]

my smile has fallen down a well 😦

[glass mortar]

idk zac posted an overall earlier where he beat an unholy dk in a high key

and the unholy was pumping hard too

outlaw capped? gotta be pretty broken to beat unholy while capped

time for a nerf i think or

🙂

[frail veldt]

4.46m overall isnt pumping hard for a dk is it?

[glass mortar]

the dk was at 5.8m dps

zac was at 5.85

[vivid vessel]

which one

ah the depleto

[glass mortar]

the failed floodgate

ye

i mean it was right before last boss

hes not beating u on last boss

[frail veldt]

ah yeah

[glass mortar]

u both woulda ended a lil lower obviously

[keen belfry]

4.46 is NOT good for UHDK

thats arcane mage numbers

[vivid vessel]

he was doing less damage than a hunter my guy

[glass mortar]

nerf mm also

[frail veldt]

hunter beat the dk too

key%

45

[covert kestrel]

Blizz just tunes around zac, as he is indicative of every other outlaw player.

[frail veldt]

dk diff tbh

[covert kestrel]

I too parse 100s on 16s

(don't tell them I'm not even 3k yet)

[frail veldt]

yeah imagine thinking outlaw is broken cuz zac can beat a green parsing uhdk in a 16

[vivid vessel]

was a 17

[glass mortar]

i bet zac was stealing all the PIs

[frail veldt]

oh that changes everything

[vivid vessel]

it kinda does tbf

cause in 16s

i gap litteraly any human alive

but that was also before fixes so

[frail veldt]

I mean it doesnt change the fact that the dk green parsed

[frank finch]

need to see zac in full buff comp for him until then idc

[celest cobalt]

Y tho 😦 y am I not Zac on outlaw on 16s

Big sad

[shut lichen]

what about any human dead?

[vivid vessel]

ye gapping them too

[covert kestrel]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/recuperate-to-take-a-breather-new-spell-to-regain-health-on-all-classes-in-patch-376677?utm_source=discord-webhook

banger

[frail veldt]

noice

[covert kestrel]

we goin campin

[vivid vessel]

SERVERS UP ??

WTF

[red zinc]

ye

login zac

[vivid vessel]

SOMEONE LOGIN

AND PRESS KS

PLEASE

[covert kestrel]

"If it's not smoked, it's not gouda!"

[red zinc]

nuh uh

[vivid vessel]

DO IT

[frank finch]

omg

[vivid vessel]

TIM

[frank finch]

gogogogogogogo

[vivid vessel]

TIM

[glass mortar]

oh cute thats branns delve recup

[vivid vessel]

DO IT

[glass mortar]

very cute

[red zinc]

alright 2 minutes

man im taking a shit

[covert kestrel]

you dont run a virtual desktop to your phone to gather herbs while you shit?

weird

[jolly geyser]

KS fix?

[runic bough]

I need to do this

[ebon reef]

i live to tell the tale

i dont like this game

[red zinc]

@vivid vessel still doomed

[glass mortar]

a whole season of this shit man

its so over

sorry at LEAST one whole season of it

[vivid vessel]

wdym one season

[shut lichen]

ur first mistake was expecting shit

[craggy barn]

is mitch around

[late swallow]

imagine thinking they would change KS

[desert tendon]

zac

are u hoping for a secret ks rework

[runic bough]

Yeah I wouldn't expect anything outside the bug article

Cmon guys u know them

[vivid vessel]

yes bro wtf

[desert tendon]

stop hopping

hop on minecraft with me instead

[runic bough]

What do we do on minecraft now

There's so much added to it now

I used to just build stuffs

[desert tendon]

cant flood in here but we have a server with friends that exists since

1.12?

so u can expect giga stuff being built there

[dawn talon]

has ANYONE played with a shadow priest that is doing damage this season

[late swallow]

shadow is kinda down bad rn in keys

[desert tendon]

i ve done a full medieval city and now i m working on an imperial japanese stuff

[dawn talon]

1s ill send the log

[latent oak]

ravenholdt mc server when

[desert tendon]

i mean

go forit

[red zinc]

do not

[desert tendon]

i ll hang out a bit

[dawn talon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GCJ8nXaKVc1zrTQ4?fight=2&type=damage-done

[runic bough]

I wish I had my own minecraft server. When I played they would erase the map every week.

[vital venture]

Yeah that eu priest is fine

Kiea

but their class is kinda shit

[red zinc]

do not invite palou

i repeat

DO NOT

[fluid meadow]

put this priest into a group with the pala tank who has 0% parse in floodgate on my key

[runic bough]

1.7mil on a 14

Damn

Spriest is op

[desert tendon]

do not invite zac also

[runic bough]

1.7mil doing nothing

[desert tendon]

dude do negative damage

[runic bough]

Censi do u even play anymore

[leaden folio]

just mitigate 200M melee when mythic boss enrage

bam

100% heal

[vital venture]

I hope next spec they add to the game is a healing rogue man

healing finishers would be fun

[desert tendon]

i m slowly leaving

not gonna play next tier so

[glass mortar]

ye im feeling that

[fathom bramble]

Would be cool to see a tank or healer spec on every pure dps

[late swallow]

super based

[runic bough]

I dont have a life so wow fits in too perfect for me. Takes up my time so its nice.

[late swallow]

i stopped playing a few weeks ago

[fathom bramble]

Though I would vote tank rogue before healer

[glass mortar]

same

[late swallow]

you out?

[glass mortar]

not yet i meant same to tank rogue

but im feeling like next tier might be a skip for me

[fluid meadow]

ksing with 20 mob to frontal everybody

[glass mortar]

too many games i wanna play right now

[desert tendon]

dont forget guys

[glass mortar]

and things to do

[desert tendon]

what minecraft taught us all

you cant put loyalty on hoes

[glass mortar]

gotta find a partner before im old decrepit

[fathom bramble]

Always carry a bucket of water

[late swallow]

i'm really stoked for the spring/summer

back to cycling training and hiking

[glass mortar]

id say same but i live in the USA so its hard to be thrilled about much rn

[late swallow]

marathon training with my girlfriend

[glass mortar]

warm weather is always nice

[late swallow]

i live in the USA too

[glass mortar]

getting my canadian citizenship soon too

👏

[bright crane]

You don’t like $15 carton of eggs??

Sorry, didn’t know you hated FREEDOM

[late swallow]

that's kind of a meme at this point btw

unless you live somewhere fucked

but yeah shit's fucked

[covert kestrel]

wait dont leave me in nyc

[late swallow]

oh shit weran is a NY gamer too?

[glass mortar]

canadas so pretty tho

going up later in the year to visit my aunt and uncle

[fathom bramble]

Gets a bit too warm over here

[sullen wyvern]

DO we still use SS to get CdG over BF as KiR?

[glass mortar]

where u at lok (as close as ur comfortably saying)

[fathom bramble]

California summers and all that

[glass mortar]

ahhh yea

[runic bough]

Canada is lost. They already have taken over 25% of it with barbarians.

[glass mortar]

idk i love the coasts in the summer, i love swimming

i think id vibe with cali temps since it gets pretty hot here in NY but its also like 90% humidity perma the whole summer

[runic bough]

I would like to try Canada maple syrup though

[sullen wyvern]

Can you please elaborate further? Im curious

[bright crane]

Too bad half of the coast in ca is low key not swimmable

[covert kestrel]

dont

[bright crane]

As soon as you cross central cal, the ocean is too cold to be enjoyable

[glass mortar]

thats true, tbh tho swimming in mountain lakes >>>> swimming in the ocean

NY has some goated hiking

[runic bough]

All of west coast. They have factories dumping daily.

Ocean is disgusting here.

[glass mortar]

can always find a nice spot to swim

[covert kestrel]

adirondacks be popping off

[glass mortar]

yea i backpacked there with my dad last year

[runic bough]

You have to boat out to find some clean ocean.

[late swallow]

washingon dc area hiking is unreal

[glass mortar]

wanna get back up

[covert kestrel]

too bad i live in the city so i dont have a car so i cant get up there

[late swallow]

you're right on the appalachian trail

[covert kestrel]

[glass mortar]

ugh i wanna do mt washington with my dad before hes too old

[bright crane]

Bro problem with the east coast tho

Sooooooo humid

[glass mortar]

u can take a train right up to breakneck

from nyc

lots of people do it

[trail star]

Sweet

[glass mortar]

theres a stop just for hiking

[covert kestrel]

outlaw rogue group quit jobs and do appalachian trail instead of S3/??!?!?!?!?

[late swallow]

would do it unironically

[runic bough]

How many miles

[late swallow]

i used to work at REI, so I got some hookups for gear

[glass mortar]

[fathom bramble]

Yeah it’s real nice for swimming at least

[runic bough]

Nice

[glass mortar]

i miss EMS but REI is nice

[late swallow]

freshwater swimming is really based

[glass mortar]

i miss my mountain bike too, i got into it a bit out of college but its tough to keep up with when ur apartment doesnt allow bikes

[late swallow]

never a huge fan of ocean swimming ngl

[fathom bramble]

If only you could have good swimming weather and lower temps at the same time

[late swallow]

i don't like the salt

[runic bough]

I worked at Amazon for a month and have free shoes every year, even after leaving.

[covert kestrel]

wasnt rei doing some scummy anti union stuff recently

[covert kestrel]

i fucking LOVE the ocean

waves n shit

[glass mortar]

ocean is fun for bodysurfing and big waves

[covert kestrel]

bodysurfing goated activity

[glass mortar]

lakes r bis for just vibing tho

u cant really vibe on the coast which i understand

i just like swimming but alot of my friends wont go in because the currents too strong

[bright crane]

I’m about to be going to Tahiti for my honeymoon. About to become a literal part of the ocean

[late swallow]

fronteir is a 6'7 surfing instructor

not joking btw

[bright crane]

Cause there’s 0 else to do

[runic bough]

Ocean was nice but it's one of the undisclosed reasons people get sick who visit often here on usa west coast.

Swimming in chemical dump no fun

[covert kestrel]

scuba instructor *

[trail star]

Don’t you ever wonder what might be at the bottom of the ocean? It must be a very different world without light

[glass mortar]

kspree reworks down there ig

one day blizzard will plunder the depths and find it

[bright crane]

You remember that submarine expedition that imploded a year ago or w.e?

[trail star]

Yes

[late swallow]

rogue devs were on that sub

[light dune]

feelscraft wise is it worth finishing a coup de grace even when AR is like a second away from expiring and then vanishing at low combo points? I run into that sometimes and it feels worth but I wonder if you guys just hold the coup and vanish at high CPs

[bright crane]

Ever wonder why they were going some there in the first place?

[late swallow]

that's why we got 0 changes

[bright crane]

They went to go find the ks rework

But the shareholders had other plans….

[glass mortar]

yea we've had a rule forever where if ar would fall off before u can build u can vanish on low cp and build out of stealth

this situation doesnt rlly happen in sims tho so its not a tellable loss or gain

[sullen wyvern]

I usually prioritize keeping AR over CdG

[glass mortar]

wdym wonder

they were going to visit the titanic

[sullen wyvern]

if AR is like 40+ seconds away and I have vanish I would throw vanish and get my AR reset

[glass mortar]

i thot? maybe im misremebering

[trail star]

Not losing AR should be the way

[light dune]

you're keeping AR both ways its just do you CDG into low combo point start of vanish or high combo point vanish

[covert kestrel]

i would punch my own nuts to keep AR for an extra 10 seconds

better than the alternative

[sullen wyvern]

if AR is 20 seconds away and you can fish CdG easily (you have enough energy + true bearing) then you can let AR drop and throw that CDG

[bright crane]

Bro can’t be trusting MSM gotta do your own research

[runic bough]

Legend has it, the Marinana Trench holds the answers to killingspree rework. Perhaps even a removal. We don't for for certain. It's so dark...so cold....the pressure is unbearable for any civilian craft...where is it (the people ask)... where in the Marinana Trench could the savior to our killingspree bane?? ... somewhere deep in the Mariana Trench...

[sullen wyvern]

That's at least what I do

[quaint wharf]

[glass mortar]

....

[trail star]

There is no reason to not build then?

[bright crane]

https://tenor.com/view/oakdice-runescape-gif-18004007

[keen grotto]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[sullen wyvern]

oh, my bad. I think the rule is to not CdG while on crackshot windows

[late swallow]

banger writeup

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

Ryu posts in italics and bold

[frail veldt]

Marinana lol

[bright crane]

The marinera trench

[late swallow]

[runic bough]

Bro the autospelling can go to hell

[trail star]

Lmao

[wary wind]

guys ks fix on the way right

[runic bough]

[sullen wyvern]

They should allow CdG to proc with crackshot, just saying

[frail veldt]

yeah if you had dropped marinara trench I would have lost it

[light dune]

im talking about coup is up and raedy and AR is low duration (1-2 sec) so couping means u cant build before vanish and must vanish to preserve it, OR just skip coup in that situation and vanish at high cp

[runic bough]

[late swallow]

CDG cast from BTE would be so troll

[frail veldt]

I think vanishing at low cp but having flawless form buff from coup for the vanish is better

[late swallow]

unless they removed the extra cast time

[quaint wharf]

nerf outlaw wtf too strong now

[covert kestrel]

imagine if while you had CdG charged, all BtE dispatches were CdG. Sick skill expression of balancing stacks for vanish windows

[sullen wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/get-the-fuck-out-gif-10505441769644793850

[fathom bramble]

Because they removed the cast self-cc thing it would work fine now

[frail veldt]

it still is a slightly longer gcd afaik

[late swallow]

it's still on an extended gcd, isn't it?

it's not on .8

[frail veldt]

its hasted through adr at least now

so its around 1s I believe

[fathom bramble]

Since crack doesn’t trigger a gcd on the dispatch anyway it wouldn’t come into play

[frail veldt]

oh truuuuu

[late swallow]

i mean, that's one way they could implement it

[fathom bramble]

But it does still have a 1.2 second base gcd

[late swallow]

but I'm just saying

knowing blizz

they'll keep the janky gcd

[sullen wyvern]

uhh I think in that scenario should be fine, maybe. IT really depends if you have broadsides or not

[sullen wyvern]

or if you are in a pack and have BF available while playing deft

[fathom bramble]

Well if they changed the cracked dispatch to trigger gcd at all it would be very troll for sure

[trail star]

Ah I see

It depends if you will get 1 stack from ss or not I guess

[sullen wyvern]

that too, but assuming you get decent ace procs shouildn't matter much

[red zinc]

on the article about the recuperate thing

these people need jesus

[frail veldt]

they sound dumb

healer isnt to top you after combat...

its to fucking live the damage hte pack does

[runic bough]

If coup is at max stacks (4) do we prio use it over ks right?

[glass mortar]

no

kspree is higher prio

[runic bough]

Still

Damn ok

[glass mortar]

nothing happened 2 change it

coup doesnt get cdr, casting coup wastes a massive chunk of kspree cdr

[late swallow]

[runic bough]

I thought we would have to use coup of it was maxed out

[frail veldt]

its surprisingly low dps loss to prio coup over ks

1%

[glass mortar]

ye it shuld be close either way

[frail veldt]

why would it matter if you can just use it right after KS?

[runic bough]

Ok I'll ks first

[frail veldt]

only time I coup first is when I cant safely ks

[runic bough]

I been trying to use coup if maxed out my bad

[frail veldt]

maxed out on what

[runic bough]

Deep nuts

I mean

[frail veldt]

wow

you even fucked that up

impressive

[runic bough]

4 stacks

Is max

[frail veldt]

thats the only time you can use coup

[runic bough]

Yea

[compact mountain]

Either you lose CDR on KS, or you lose building to the next coup, unless you have fth procs

[frail veldt]

you just coup low cp

after ks

[runic bough]

Ok maybe that's where my rotation gets dry from using coup before ks

[frail veldt]

nope its a 1% dps loss to do it this way

so it shouldnt be noticeable

[runic bough]

Well I still get dry sometimes

[frail veldt]

that probably has other causes

[runic bough]

Rng or bad rotation

[frail veldt]

@gaunt phoenix does this rule apply even if you dont have any UB procs available?

[frail veldt]

id wager a little of both but mostly the latter

[latent oak]

D:

[frail veldt]

If it happens every once in a while its bad rng

if you consistently have sub 80% adr uptime in a key its bad rotation

[runic bough]

Yeah

Will have to check adr uptime but it's mostly always up

[vivid vessel]

technically you always have a chance to proc ub

cause of the reset

so ye

[glass mortar]

checking for UB doesnt even matter

it surprised me when i learned too

[frail veldt]

Yeah I figured that chance would be low enough to not outweigh the value of a high cp coup

[glass mortar]

all that matters is if u would be pressing SS

[frail veldt]

interesting

[glass mortar]

the sim wants to ambush even if UB is available

or on average, it doesnt matter i shuld say

cause SS is just so weak i guess

[frail veldt]

yeah SS is comically low on my breakdown

below melee

as kir

lol

like

jfc

[runic bough]

Yeah in a good rng rotation, it's just ambush and fth procs to fill cp.

Ss is low builder now

[frail veldt]

im talking about kir

[runic bough]

Well for ho then

[shut lichen]

sinister strike? more like silly strike

[latent oak]

sussy strike

[runic bough]

Slappy strike

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel holy shit

i cooked

an insane funnel tech

for sin rogue

[vivid vessel]

hwat now ..

[flat needle]

do we play double on use again? like the grinder and the meadery trinket?

[proven ocean]

nvm im cooked

[still matrix]

did someone say new tech

[frail veldt]

you can yeah

a lot of trinkets sim very similar

so you dont have to if you dont want to

there are passive trinkets that perform well too

[flat needle]

^thanks for the answer, guess ill stick with grinder and pacemaker then

[proven ocean]

its hard to do tho

like

[shut lichen]

share it anyway

[proven ocean]

i deally i think u wanna do this after deathmark

so

u finish with deathmark

ur ruptures start to expire

u get lingering darkness up

and vanish is ready, you need to refresh ruptures

you shiv when ur mark is at 1 (deathstalker's mark), into getting darkest night and get up to 3-4 cp (assuming u have supercharger), into vanish ambush envenom FoK rupture Fok rupture

this will give you bleed refreshes + a singular focused darkest night which will give alot of aoe dmg into that mob while darkestnight is up

you may fit 1-3m of aoe dmg into him in that window

this is ideal on 1st pull priory

and all the minibosses within that dungeon

[latent oak]

that sounds satifying to pull off

[proven ocean]

i may find it easy just tried it abit

yeah well it is ye

ok

time to work on my sin rogue guide for high keys

[unborn haven]

Wax Whistle sim trap?
my 665 whistle sims higher then 668 seaforium

[bright crane]

Nope whistle is fine

[unborn haven]

Just thought seaforium was "the shit" haha

[bright crane]

Vast majority of trinkets this seasons are low impact

Nah there are no “the shit” trinkets for us this season

[red zinc]

If you have 668 seaforium you could probably upgrade it to 678 and have it be better tho

[bright crane]

Probs true yeah

[unborn haven]

True True

[icy cedar]

Ptr is up, is killing spree changed

[frank finch]

NO

[icy cedar]

Dang

[shut lichen]

that's a cook and a half

[red zinc]

I got off the toilet to check

It did not happen

[cold falcon]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[icy cedar]

Has anyone looked at the rotation helper on ptr is @remote pecan rip in peace?

[drifting bone]

is there anyway to play ks on bandit myth p2?

[covert kestrel]

I doubt their first iteration will be anything special, especially considering how their cd manager came out initially

[icy cedar]

Have balls

And press on CD

[glass mortar]

i know for shadow priest it simply was not using any of ur major cds

voidform, DA or PI

[drifting bone]

ya i just died

so

[glass mortar]

so it looks like its... very barebones to say the least

[icy cedar]

Are you running cheat

[drifting bone]

sure

[icy cedar]

Run second cheat

Secret talent

[glass mortar]

it should be safe to press during lust at minimum

make sure ur starting spot wont be near any of the lasers

your kspree teleports should be fast enough that the laser cant tick you (it takes 0.3s in a beam for it to tick you)

[icy cedar]

Do you have the weak aura that screams HEAL ME KILLING SPREE IS TICKING FOR 20%

[glass mortar]

outside lust you might not have enough haste to hit that tickrate though

you can check the period between ur attacks on the tooltip, it needs to be under 0.3s to not get hit by lasers

i have not gotten to test this myself fwiw, this is all info from loktark and @vivid vessel

[frank finch]

yummy is testing arcane with 1 button thing

[icy cedar]

having to check the tool tip on an ability to avoid death

Ion please save us and gut this spec

[hybrid crown]

Ability*

[late swallow]

outlaw needs to be gutted and nerfed to the ground immediately

[glass timber]

Since when did Flagellation become a standard spell for outlaw?
And is it used?

[red zinc]

What if you tp two ticks inside the same laser though

Are you still doomed

[glass mortar]

its not?

its a sub rogue talent we cannot take it

[glass timber]

it's part of my spellbook, but not in talents?

[glass mortar]

are you in shadowlands?

[red zinc]

[glass timber]

omfg ffs

[glass mortar]

[glass timber]

kill me pls

[glass mortar]

ur already dead bozo

in the land of the dead anyway

[glass timber]

was doing top and noticed it before i went in xd

[hollow temple]

Don’t remind us of the days when outlaw was in its peak form

[patent mirage]

rc dust

yes

[shut lichen]

s4 sl

yes

[hollow temple]

Venthyr blunderbuss

[shut lichen]

tornado trigger my beloved

[red zinc]

Preseason to be specific

Dust + flag

[hollow temple]

RC Dust was good too but

[patent mirage]

rc dust was the pog

[hollow temple]

Venthyr blunderbuss was beyond peak

[late swallow]

shadowlands was really bad

[hollow temple]

Nah

Shadowlands was GOATED with the sauce

Once they let it actually be an expansion

[flat needle]

We love Killing spree^^

[haughty wigeon]

god yes

blunderbussy venthyr

[patent mirage]

someone will make an addon to warn people

[haughty wigeon]

was poggers

[patent mirage]

you are using ks

[hollow temple]

I loved it man

[red zinc]

If we could get SL class design (and tier sets) and dungeon design with tww everything else

[late swallow]

shadowlands was really bad

[red zinc]

Itd be goated

[frank finch]

imagine wanting to go back to that talent tree

[hollow temple]

You are criminally insane I’m sorry

[hollow temple]

The talent tree was w/e ye I just loved the actual gameplay

[late swallow]

if you played shadowlands and went "this is good" you're unironically not gonna make it

[hollow temple]

We are talking about the spec gameplay

Nothing else

[red zinc]

I made it (out of bed)

[runic bough]

Somni I'm going ti have to say this, but I disagree with you. Shadowlands was very nice content compared to df and tww.

Shits on both contents

Shadowlands was great, we even had a world zone to do stuff.

[red zinc]

Do what

[runic bough]

We got nothing in df and tww

Nothing!

[red zinc]

Mf this is some insane rose tinted glasses bs

[hollow temple]

Like don’t get me wrong there was A LOT I hated about shadowlands

[red zinc]

Even i aint copin this hard

[hollow temple]

But double legendary class gameplay was sick as fuck

[late swallow]

DF and TWW are way better than shadowlands sorry bro

[patent mirage]

conduits were meh

[late swallow]

SL trees were bad

[runic bough]

Your just coping somni

[late swallow]

zones were bad

[runic bough]

Fake news!!!!

[red zinc]

Like the only argument there is is that dungeon design was way better

[hollow temple]

Everything was meh

[red zinc]

Class design is subjective

[runic bough]

Everything had a plot. There was actual content.

[late swallow]

going from legion to shadowlands was so fucking bad

also SL probably had the worst story

of all the wow expansions

[runic bough]

Df and tww were made by AI. Nothing going anywhere.

[late swallow]

no cap on god for real

[haughty wigeon]

sl is overhated

[brisk meadow]

U not skipping cutscenes?

[red zinc]

Ryukage was made by AI. Nothing in that brain going anywhere.

[haughty wigeon]

the story was shit and for some rteason that makes the whole expansion shit

when in reality

all the weird gameplay stuff in sl

happened cause bfa was giga shit

and pushed its shit on sl

[runic bough]

Frozen throne and shadowlands were the only storyline worth following.

[haughty wigeon]

target caps

stat dr

[brisk meadow]

Its crazy to me you guys know story

[haughty wigeon]

borrow power grind

[red zinc]

ok but korthia lasted more than 8 months

[haughty wigeon]

yes

[red zinc]

[haughty wigeon]

alot of content patches lasted that long

[runic bough]

Other expansions it's a skip every cutscene vibe

[hollow temple]

Idk shit from fuck about wow storylines

[haughty wigeon]

nylotha lasted forever

no one talks about that

[red zinc]

Thats last patch

[late swallow]

bro shadowlands story is so convoluted, hackneyed, and poorly written it's actually unreal

[hollow temple]

I have never cared about the story ong

[haughty wigeon]

nyalotha also lasting forever

[hybrid crown]

Man I sure miss having to buy a wow token to afford buying max ilvl legendaries per character

[brisk meadow]

🤝

[haughty wigeon]

gave birth to the only solid thing from sl

fated

imagine

[hybrid crown]

Remember how it was close to 300k gold to buy your best gear on the ah

[late swallow]

jailer was basically just mr. clean but if he got addicted to back medication

[glass timber]

okay, another properly really dumb question:

Why is there 2 ranks if it's the same?

[haughty wigeon]

doing fucking softo and amdirasil as long as nylotha

i would actually quit

[runic bough]

Well that's because there is rarely a story to tell now in wow outside of bc, frozen throne, shadowlands, legion..

[civic void]

Tooltip error, duration is increased at 2 points

[proven ocean]

these youtube comments man

[late swallow]

we had corruptions in nyalotha tho

[brisk meadow]

Probably why im so mad, i dont have anything Else in wow other than class balance

[late swallow]

corruptions were fun af

[proven ocean]

masterassassin definitely makes sudden demise pop for 25m

[glass timber]

okay good to know it's another bugged thing... xd

[haughty wigeon]

a well of knowledge

[haughty wigeon]

yes

it was fun

but because of corruptions

we have stat drs

:)

very fun

[proven ocean]

you need master assassin otherwise no sudden demise pump

except

crit is useless

on it

[late swallow]

who cares I had fun

[hybrid crown]

I miss early shadowlands where I gained the opportunity to spend hours and hours of time grinding renown for a faction because it's a bit better for m+

[late swallow]

[red zinc]

They mean 25 mil total damage probably zeross

[haughty wigeon]

even fun if you still want to stack a stat far past dr :)

[red zinc]

Not dps

[hollow temple]

Can’t even be mad at him

[haughty wigeon]

and get less of that stat even tho you like that stat :)

[proven ocean]

ur not reading what hes saying

[hollow temple]

[proven ocean]

hes sayting like

u need master assassin for that sudden demise dmg

[red zinc]

oh didnt see the each

[late swallow]

not mad, had fun

[haughty wigeon]

corruptions was giga fun but we cant deny the amount of damage they done to the game

[red zinc]

small ass screenshot my eyes too bad for this

[runic bough]

Farming covenant Anima was fun

What do we have in df and tww? Nothing

[upbeat tundra]

hey guys how come there was a wowhead article saying outlaw rogue is poggers now but i am still sitting in dornogol???????

[hollow temple]

You can still go back and do it. Go

[hybrid crown]

The group you signed up to invited me instead sorry fam

[viscid forge]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[proven ocean]

if u become a wow dev i'll uninstall the game instantly

[red zinc]

ryu ragebaiting is the only way people acknowledge him in life

[runic bough]

[hollow temple]

Sign up with “outlaw bug fixes made it the best spec in the game!!!!!”

[proven ocean]

you have the worst cooks

of any player in wow

[slate plaza]

i just had a shitter mage die 11 times before second boss on my 13 workshop

[proven ocean]

its not even close

[red zinc]

why not 13 to match the key level

[late swallow]

farming anima being fun

[slate plaza]

idk lol

[hollow temple]

Coming from you? That’s harsh..

[late swallow]

idk chief

[upbeat tundra]

ITS NOT WORKING

[runic bough]

Like give us a purpose, that's the point of a game.

[hollow temple]

[late swallow]

doing chores isn't a purpose bro

[proven ocean]

says the pvp player

when literally

[red zinc]

You know that you can also get money for doing monotonous bullshit by getting a job

[runic bough]

They don't have any reasons to play outside gearing up now.

[late swallow]

if you like that, then MoP classic will be a banger for you

[proven ocean]

ur the only pvp player in the game

[late swallow]

like 100 dailies every day

[proven ocean]

blizzard adds bots to play against you

[wary wind]

so are you guys playing ho or kir

[proven ocean]

guys

i want a game like

in a penthouse at night

[upbeat tundra]

kir 1fth pc + gs

[proven ocean]

and kill people

[hollow temple]

Why are you so cooked

[proven ocean]

is hitman good or is it bad

[runic bough]

MoP was good I heard

[hollow temple]

Fucking burnt toast ass mofucka

[runic bough]

I never got to experience it

[slate plaza]

if its a key where ur awlays at 8+ kir

[proven ocean]

ingame ofc

[late swallow]

MoP was really good

[proven ocean]

wtf is that reaction chat

?

u think i wanna kill ppl irl or hwat

[late swallow]

goated class design

[proven ocean]

?!?

[late swallow]

great raids

respectful nod to the great people of china

mop was goated

[runic bough]

Oh and world bosses

[vivid vessel]

ross

YOU ARE COOKED

COOKED ROSS

[runic bough]

Became a thing then

[proven ocean]

WDYM COOKED

?!?!?!?

[late swallow]

how is he cooked? med rare or what?

[vivid vessel]

ABSOLUTE COOKED NOOB

[late swallow]

well done?

[red zinc]

congratulations

[runic bough]

Zeross is always cooked?

His blood is redbull

So

[hollow temple]

Burnt

[late swallow]

sick post malone reference dude nice

[hollow temple]

This dude is shoe leather

[late swallow]

bro is basically a wallet

[runic bough]

Shadowlands best raids in last 5 years.

Get owned

[hollow temple]

Nathria was good

SoD was “ok”

Sepulcher was mostly ass besides Halondrus

[runic bough]

Also

We had to fight my gf sylvanny

She was the best part

Longest fight

Most time I've spent with her

[tropic zephyr]

i wanna play law again

but i've been sitting in queue for 30m now

[runic bough]

Take a gathering profession to do during que

I'm getting others to do it its funny

[proven ocean]

incinerated

wtf

we have timmy

and jimmy

do we have cummy too

[runic bough]

[red zinc]

who the fuck is jimmy

[proven ocean]

idk i just saw him typing

[runic bough]

He's typing

[red zinc]

oh

[tropic zephyr]

i usually play fighters when i'm pushing and sitting in queue

[red zinc]

shoutout jimmy

[tropic zephyr]

alt tab tech

[runic bough]

JimmyDeans

[proven ocean]

there are 10 jimmy's

do i ping all of them

to see who typed

[late swallow]

ping realz

do it bro

[fluid iron]

[tropic zephyr]

?

[jolly geyser]

Jimmy from bcs

[runic bough]

We are being watched!

Its a trap!!!

[late swallow]

@realzz haha hey man what's up