outlaw

[vivid vessel]

Idk tanks in higher keys do too many fancy shit rn

They skip every pack

With meld

Tilts the shit out of me

[glass mortar]

ok but zac did u see my ping last night

[vivid vessel]

Just press w

Dude

[glass mortar]

this bugfix

[vivid vessel]

I probably did

[glass mortar]

actually +50% dps in brewery easily

[vivid vessel]

What was it

[glass mortar]

insane

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[hasty warren]

our oss set piece is chest right ? i'm not trolling catalizing myth shoulders

[vivid vessel]

Big brew dps

[glass mortar]

i did a 12 cindybrew 4fun before bed last night just to try it out

legit doing 9m dps by time we got to first boss

it was night and day

[vivid vessel]

Ye

Same

[hasty warren]

I was at 10M dps on first pull when I was barelly at 7/8M

[glass mortar]

i cannot believe how much dps this bug probably was on these types of pulls

[hasty warren]

so good beeing playable xd

[glass mortar]

mass pulls with mismatched hp

actually crazy

i just did 8-12m dps every pull of room 1

even with meh rolls

[frank finch]

Yea we are fixed now bring back necrotic wake

And ara Kara

[glass mortar]

holy fuk imagine how big this bug was on that first pull of NW

i didnt even think about that

all the piss adds u pull in

[shell fossil]

so 8 cap...okay?

[vivid vessel]

All of that for the first priory I do I get flamed by tank for playing outlaw

What can you do

[slate plaza]

Blizz deserves to uncap us for making us suffer for this long

[vivid vessel]

Mewdery*

[slate plaza]

Give us government compensation

[daring oxide]

It’s just a distant memory now, buttersweet dreams

[dense bolt]

he knew all along

W vurai

[vivid vessel]

Ok but tbf

I think

[hasty warren]

lol

[vivid vessel]

Al of you

[slate plaza]

Vai was onto it

[vivid vessel]

Playing with damage numbers

Hard trolled

[daring oxide]

Why

I was telling you Zac

[vivid vessel]

Im not playikg with damage numbers and I realized something was wrong

[daring oxide]

My damage numbers stopped appearing

In big pulls

[vivid vessel]

You can litteraly see

Something is wrong on your screen

[daring oxide]

Yeah but I was yapping about this like a year ago

[vivid vessel]

Why aren't you checking these momemts

[daring oxide]

And was so confused

[vivid vessel]

In logs

You hard inted

Noob

[daring oxide]

Why my blade flurry damage numbers not appearing when I’ve got 20 targets around me!!!!!!

I did check!!!

[hasty warren]

so good not beeing meta but beeing playable enough to compete with other classes

[daring oxide]

I knew I was right!!!!

But I thought it was due to elevation!!!

[silver sluice]

Maybe I can't read (prolly) but HO still isn't taking deft but still got a decent buff because of faze + GM fix yes?

And KIR 2FTH is decent ahead on larger pulls and slightly behind HO on smaller pulls/ST? Is that an accurate reading of pins?

[vivid vessel]

You are elevated noob

[daring oxide]

I am elevated noob!

You know if I actually did my job better

We could of fixed this bug like a year ago

[vivid vessel]

Yes

[daring oxide]

Instead of me yapping with my tin foil hat on

I failed

[vivid vessel]

I consider all of you playing with damage numbers on

[daring oxide]

Badly

[vivid vessel]

Responsible

Cause you could see the exact moments it stoped working

[slate plaza]

Yes

[vivid vessel]

And you still couldn't find it in logs

Fucking noobs

[daring oxide]

Yeah but honestly I never even thought it could be due to dead targets lmao

[vivid vessel]

Wtf were you doing vurai

[hasty warren]

sry zac i'm noob

[vivid vessel]

!

[shell fossil]

grapple hook invul frames

fix it

[vivid vessel]

Fuck you elfinor!

Fuck you wolllmwrt!

[shell fossil]

well fuck you zac

[silver sluice]

Tyty

[flat needle]

nice bugfixes, we are meta now. triple outlaw comps incoming like in the good old days

[shell fossil]

go pat some bread or something

[vivid vessel]

Ok

[shell fossil]

[cinder relic]

Outlaw is a noticeably better now.

[fluid meadow]

im just sad they didn't buff pc one more time and fixing bf after that

[cinder relic]

Idk about 3x outlaw comps tho, it's not like we went from bottom 1 to top 1 with the fix

[hasty warren]

patch day is sacred day now

[slate plaza]

Wish the bug fixes affected raid a little more

[sullen wyvern]

we are kinda mid tier now

[slate plaza]

I’ll take it for m+ tho

[slate plaza]

When are we not 😂

[shell fossil]

it almost makes up for the coup de grace bug

which was cool

[slate plaza]

I feel like a good outlaw player can still blast tho

[slate plaza]

It more than makes up for it imo

[sullen wyvern]

everyday before yesterday

we were bottom scrapping barnacles

[slate plaza]

I’ve always felt lIke the spec was mid tier even with bugs

[shell fossil]

clicking outlaw

[slate plaza]

We could see some play in MDI now

[sullen wyvern]

Me too, but I've realized we were just outperforming players playing specs we shouldnt outperform on many scenarios, imo

[flat needle]

today bugfixes, tomorrow target cap removal, saturday killing spree visual rework, sunday i die from happiness

[vivid vessel]

I mean outlaw is.stoll worse than assa

[slate plaza]

We’re definitely no longer mid tier we’re definitely above average

[cinder relic]

Outlaw isn't really an MDI spec without insane tuning

[vivid vessel]

And assa isn't even in the meta rn so

[sullen wyvern]

Most likely TOP, maybe RK

[slate plaza]

Target cap?

[cinder relic]

It wasn't even that good in BFA, when it was meta for pushing

[shell fossil]

also..cook but the auto rotation button shouldn't work in content higher than lfr/heroic so ppl don't mald imo

[vivid vessel]

It's not mdi anymore

Its tgp

[slate plaza]

I could see it in top with the comp locks now

[vivid vessel]

So it can be

[cinder relic]

Whatever u want to call it bruv

The esports keys

[vivid vessel]

No I meam

[hasty warren]

btw @vivid vessel I can't import ur SUF profil, it literreraly make my game crash and I do it

[vivid vessel]

It'd not Speedrun anymore

It's just push keys

So it's different

[cinder relic]

Oh

Theres no speed esports keys anymore at all?

[vivid vessel]

No

[sullen wyvern]

so what's coming this friday? TGP or MDI?

[vivid vessel]

Mdi

But it's tgp

[frail veldt]

Outlaws def playable in title keys now that your bladeflurry doesn't randomly throw the dungeon on large packs

[hasty warren]

mdi is today

[sullen wyvern]

[cinder relic]

I see

I mean assa atm is still better

But these bug fixes are pretty huge

[vivid vessel]

ye for sure

[cinder relic]

If outlaw had coup bug still and all these bf fixes it'd probably be better

No lie

[hasty warren]

I think in phys comp we're better

[daring oxide]

we were always top 1 in terms of style and coolness

[hasty warren]

dep the dj tho

[vivid vessel]

sijn get the same amount of damage from phys comps

so

[pliant wind]

so stylish

[vivid vessel]

idk about that

[sullen wyvern]

all we need now is KS rework

and we gucci

[hasty warren]

at least it's not sub

[daring oxide]

i was gaslit i swear

[glass mortar]

monk buff???

[hasty warren]

I'm ok beeing replace by sin, not by sub

[pliant wind]

im ok if ks is the same but the camera doesnt move

[daring oxide]

when i brought it up people told me i was being psychological

[shell fossil]

pulling the three candle golems on dfc is guaranteed pain with killing spree

[pliant wind]

just that is better

jaja

[trim vigil]

facts

[shell fossil]

but it's so cool and spree

[vivid vessel]

bro i need a macro that explain tanks how to play around outlaw

on all these bosses

its drives me crazy

sometimes i forget to explain before key

like first boss brew

and tank is like

[sullen wyvern]

to play around outlaw how exactly?

[hasty warren]

"don't chain pull pls"

[vivid vessel]

dragging tank along the edge of the aoes

and im like

MF

JUST GO FAR

[sullen wyvern]

oh ok, so your KS doesnt hit the clouds

and get stunned, I can feel that

[feral glen]

Or 3rd boss of DFC boss tanked 1yard away from statue

[hasty warren]

do a ggslide explaning how to play with an outlaw (like bardinette if u have the ref)

[sullen wyvern]

well, candle king typically you wanna be kinda stack to clear candles easier

quite the heavy healing check and cna get really bad if you dont clear candles properly

[sullen wyvern]

I just 1-2cp KS there

[shell fossil]

😐

[vivid vessel]

💀

[hasty warren]

peak

[vivid vessel]

you cant even do that

if tank is dragging it

like bro

let me show you

[silver sluice]

Would it be an int to play fatebound no KS in dfc just for that boss lol

[glass mortar]

its funny cause 1-2cp kspree can still just stun u there

its not like its safe

its safer

maybe 20% chance of just hardinting urself instead of 70%

[hasty warren]

cnadle king ?

[glass mortar]

there is no safety with this ability if tanks dont move

[silver sluice]

Yeah

Play fate entire dungeon

[runic bough]

Fuck I can't read all that

[patent mirage]

this picture is missing smth

[sullen wyvern]

Yeah I know you can get stunned but it's the best workaround i've found whenever I am pugging with a tank

[shell fossil]

stuns getting turned into slows would be okay, pro grappling hook counter etc

[patent mirage]

where is the pizza

[sullen wyvern]

if I play with my tank bear friend he knows to drag the boss a bit away from the candles whenever possible

[hasty warren]

it drives me crazy when tank refuse to move candle king or arvin

[runic bough]

300 yappers confirmed

[vivid vessel]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxfYTydfLsCe6U4P6Qon8IYFDibzDp3Oxt?si=-8RhU-f8k09rZ1vt tanks play this boss like this btw

[cinder relic]

This is an inasne new button

[hasty warren]

so I holf KS for MINUTES

[cinder relic]

Fucking add to cart

[slate plaza]

I honestly send it at 1 cp

Idgaf if I get hit

[hasty warren]

unfortunatly it reset when u close the window

[sullen wyvern]

I'd be so tempted to alt+f4 out of that key no cap

[vivid vessel]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx5KAT9mUdaOj2ZKVhd-oH0goX1QUvBzGu?si=o44-xSPeRksFU9sY like buddy can we not move

even without ks

[hybrid crown]

should I farm for the coat as assa

[vivid vessel]

you cannot tank that boss this way ??

[hasty warren]

I tried and still have a change beeing cc

[hybrid crown]

I am going to do it

I want the coat

[daring oxide]

are you using a 2000 nokia or what bro

[shell fossil]

1st boss on dawnbreaker was also prone to griefing

in death puddle style

[hasty warren]

i'm not playing head or taild to see if I take a 5 sec cc ir not

[hasty warren]

[cinder relic]

Dude this month is so expensive wtf

[hasty warren]

i think tanks don't know ks exists

[hasty warren]

fr

[vital venture]

so its worth sending ks even on 1-2 cp if longer kills u cus tank doesnt move?

[hasty warren]

so good mog and mounts

[hasty warren]

technicly y

it still gives stacks

[vivid vessel]

wtf are you buying cuh

didnt cost me that much

[cinder relic]

The mount, 2 fox outfits, the turtle back piece, all the TMNT weapons except the offhand, and then the red/blue swords

[runic bough]

Blizzard knows they make shit mogs is cheap. When they make good mogs it's more pricey.

They be rigging the system

[quiet root]

farming shareholder value

[vivid vessel]

this shit is so boring

[hasty warren]

the outlaw rogue conpiracy

[vivid vessel]

when are you guys

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[vivid vessel]

killing mugzee

please on god

im tired

[gaunt phoenix]

KS at low cp is a fairly minimal loss overall

[runic bough]

Hmmm

[hasty warren]

stuck on rik sry

[runic bough]

I still havnt tries low cp ks

[hasty warren]

ppl can't destack pilars

[runic bough]

I high cp everytime

Need to try low cp ks

[hybrid crown]

When you would normally KS just dispatch then ks

[daring oxide]

you played fatebound or trickster?

[hybrid crown]

Free 1 CP then send it

[vivid vessel]

fb

idk

i cant deal with trickster

shit so ass

[daring oxide]

same

[vital venture]

i see thanks

[daring oxide]

killing spree is just too rough

[vivid vessel]

altough i say that but

[vital venture]

btw when do u guys send ks on floodgate third boss

i assume outside of the aoe dmg phase..

but otherwise does it matter

[vivid vessel]

we skipp bomb set now

..

[vital venture]

if i pull the guy to me

[frail veldt]

if theyre a csater they wont be very happy haha

[vital venture]

D:

[frail veldt]

I usually just low cp ks the whole time

[vivid vessel]

??

just press ks on cd bro

you guys love doing 0 damage

[frail veldt]

dont spread fake news

[vital venture]

i mean i dont remember actually does it daamge them if u pull them to u

[frail veldt]

low cp ks is 4% loss

[vivid vessel]

no it doesnt

[vivid vessel]

why would you low cp

the dude get yanked anywya

[glass mortar]

wait is trickster not playable on m mugzee

[frail veldt]

nah if you low cp sometimes it doesnt yank at all

[glass mortar]

do i need to practice more kir fatebound

[vivid vessel]

so,etimes

[glass mortar]

[vivid vessel]

i mean whatever

[runic bough]

Ks doing 50-200k hits is always painful to watch during movement lock. So sadge.

[vivid vessel]

you like inting your damage

for 0 reason

you do the same on top you told me

[sullen wyvern]

This month's trading post is an absolute banger

[frail veldt]

I mean the reason is to not trigger my teammates haha

[vivid vessel]

its just stupid

teamate is already triggered

you yanked him anyway

[frail veldt]

yeah I dont max cp KS on orb boss lol

[shell fossil]

yanking guildies

[runic bough]

Yank this

[shell fossil]

shaking and nodding my head ngl

[vivid vessel]

ye and i expalined to you 40 times how it didnt change anything

[frail veldt]

Yeah idk ive died to the dot after the orb

so I'll only do it if I have cloak up or cheat now

[vivid vessel]

[glass mortar]

in ToP?

[frail veldt]

esp if I also have the big aoe on me

[vivid vessel]

press feint before

[frail veldt]

yeah 3rd boss

[frail veldt]

lol yes I know

[glass mortar]

u need to get such turbo bad rng to get enough ticks in the orb for it to actually hit u during kspree

only time it ever hits me is if i dont track its movement well enough

and its on me where my kspree ends

[frail veldt]

yeah which is why I do it when I have a backup aka cheat or cloak

I'm not gona trade 4% dps which wont make or break the key for a chance of dying which WILL make or break the key

just doesnt make sense to me

[shell fossil]

it seems like you also need to hit multiple wax puddles to get stunned out? i def hit one or two during a mini spree today and got out okay

[vivid vessel]

how do you die

[glass mortar]

guess theres always the chance u get a bugged teleport and take a full non stagger tick of it tho

[vivid vessel]

from

dot

[glass mortar]

and die to like the generic boss aoe dot

[vivid vessel]

you only die from stagger bug

[glass mortar]

if its also on u

[frail veldt]

idk monk didnt have cocoon

[glass mortar]

ye

[vivid vessel]

and even then it doesnt one shot you

[frail veldt]

just died

kick punch didnt heal me enough

[runic bough]

You guys need to do priory outlaw survival guide to not die from dots and casts. The trash are harder than the bosses.

[frail veldt]

which trash are you dying to?

at the beginning?

[runic bough]

I figured we just stun everything in subterfuge but than we fucked no cdr

[frail veldt]

definitely not

[runic bough]

Two casts at the same time and we deadge

[frail veldt]

kick?

[shell fossil]

get prot warrior to spam intervene on you

[frail veldt]

get a wa that tells you when both casts are on you at once

so you know when you actually need to use a defensive

[runic bough]

I donno I think tank pulled all the cast groups last night

[frail veldt]

thats a tank issue then

but my routes usually we pull many casters

you just kick them and aoe stop them

[runic bough]

You can see the casts kill us lol

I started paying more attention to them now ye

Can't just dps afk

[tranquil hemlock]

tf bug fixes

whaaaaaaa

[tulip jewel]

@vivid vessel 2fth or 1fth on rook can't decide

feel like bosses so long 2 fth might be the play

[tranquil hemlock]

wait 5% more for ho with gm fix

does that mean kir gaming is deadge in keys

is zac in shambles rn

[vivid vessel]

1 i think

[runic bough]

My single target either banger or sucks with ks also

[tulip jewel]

yeah? why's that?

[vivid vessel]

lots of packs under 8

in rook

[covert kestrel]

deft stays winning?

[vivid vessel]

like every pack

[tulip jewel]

yeah was thinking so

but idk the bosses are so long on 17

[tranquil hemlock]

1,5 vs 5% and wasnt ho a lil on top already ?

[glass mortar]

not in aoe

[tranquil hemlock]

so we kir gaming

[cinder relic]

Play either

[tranquil hemlock]

me likey

[glass mortar]

i dont think anything really changed

relative power of the two

[tranquil hemlock]

ho = i slep

[glass mortar]

they just both got better

[runic bough]

I'm gonna try HO FATEBOUND SUCKAS

Tonight

[glass mortar]

also if u were playing around the GM bug, the bugfix was an HO nerf so

[runic bough]

HO fatebound pc

Hmmm

No deal with ks

[shell fossil]

kir is definitely better with a homie or two

[runic bough]

Maybe much happiness now

[late swallow]

0fth goes hard af ngl

[dense oriole]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[shell fossil]

or you can get that shout addon that calls out 5 buffs i guess

[runic bough]

Ho fate pc deft gs 1fh

[glass mortar]

HO cant play 1 fth

[late swallow]

Ryu I hope you’re having a stellar day

[runic bough]

Ok fine maybe in my dreams it can

[glass mortar]

how r u pathing to ghostly with 1 fth as ho

[runic bough]

Its a dream build not real I guess

[chilly dagger]

Make gsw great again

[runic bough]

I played gsw once last night and watched how much it went to waste during bte windows.

Just uncap gsw

And it will be gg

[formal pawn]

does KS = Kill Self?

[shell fossil]

yea

[glass mortar]

sometimes

[late swallow]

You mean make it stack?

[proven ocean]

Guys

Guess what

[late swallow]

Chicken butt

[runic bough]

Yeah make it stack or just a buff with x seconds duration.

Not consumed after 1 use thats so nerfed

[late swallow]

Stacking would be cool for sure

[runic bough]

Its literally useless with ace and bte windows

Can't use them

Unless we ps bte ps bte

U know

[tulip jewel]

you play the most scuffed builds rofl

[runic bough]

[pliant wind]

4.25M on lagar, im satisfied with this bug fixes

[gaunt phoenix]

who

[pliant wind]

me

[tulip jewel]

beating boomy and mage in keys now ❤️ best bugfixes

[gaunt phoenix]

larodar ?

[late swallow]

doesn’t know about the ryukage michelin star cooks

[tulip jewel]

michelin star microwave cooks

i'm aware

[glass mortar]

he didnt say how many michelin stars...

[gaunt phoenix]

what is lagar

[late swallow]

Ryukage was sous chef at the French Laundry

[runic bough]

I need to try the no ace gsw build with real gear now

[late swallow]

Watch your tone

[runic bough]

Ps bte during windows

With no ace there should be no overlapping cp

[shut lichen]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/eu/m-dungeon-trinkets-added-to-turbo-boost-event-571846#5827634

[shell fossil]

2.7m on h gally p1 was fun but the healers rotted on last 20%

[shut lichen]

poggo

[shell fossil]

release the buffs to meee

[glass mortar]

HOLY

[runic bough]

500k noncrit gsw hits might add up during bte windows with no ace hmmmm

[glass mortar]

M+ DUNGEON TRINKET DINAR

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[glass mortar]

(this is cabbage to us)

nice in general tho

[runic bough]

All the trinkets suck

[glass mortar]

ye

[runic bough]

I'm using alchemist stone

[glass mortar]

lets be honest, nobody cares about ur stinky dungeon trinkets blizzard

wheres our mythic track dinar DELVE trinkets

[runic bough]

Waiting for another spark to upgrade my alchemist stone

[gaunt phoenix]

u dontneed a spark to rrecraft

[cinder relic]

Pacemaker is the only standout I think

[gaunt phoenix]

possibly priory signet

[glass mortar]

for us yea, im just memeing im sure some other classes will be happy about this

[mellow thicket]

what lvl key do you have to start doing giga pulls to time as a +1?

[runic bough]

Oh shit your right solo

Time to upgrade

[cinder relic]

Yeah priory too

[silver sluice]

Honestly they need to add delve trinkets

[bright crane]

That’s a pleasant change

[silver sluice]

Then it's perfect

[glass mortar]

itd be too op

they cant ever buff them because they are already goated with the sauce (at ilvl), and nobody wants to do this content

[runic bough]

I got that run speed trinket again this season

What's it called

[mellow thicket]

scroll

[pliant wind]

now that we are fixed can we be nerfed? :o

[glass mortar]

??

[mellow thicket]

dont

lol

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe

[runic bough]

Ye it's still there but it was veteran track

[silver sluice]

Prolly but like, who cares. Season has two months? Let's turbocharge and stack speed

Pewpew

[glass mortar]

ye s1 delve trinkets dont drop above vet track

unfortunate since scroll at 665 might honestly be bis

but current delve trinkets are also super strong so

[runic bough]

!Mute Sirushimo is undercover outlaw hater

[pliant wind]

haha

[gaunt phoenix]

it seems just similar to ratfang or turbo sucker

[glass mortar]

at 665? it was simming pretty close to them at 645 or w/e its capped at when i checked it

but maybe doesnt scale all that much with ilvl

[runic bough]

Alchemist stone goes hard 20k agility

And 1500 vers stick

[glass mortar]

i dont think alchemist stone is that good but i doubt its awful since all trinkets suck this season

id be surprised if it beats the good delve trinkets

[gaunt phoenix]

its not bad

[pliant wind]

675 alchemist stone > my

[frail veldt]

still wondering this lol

[runic bough]

Pacemaker isn't that great for us

We have high crit already

[silver sluice]

Max whistle cart trinket is nice though, it's not super bis but it's pretty close

[runic bough]

I feel like it goes to waste

[glass mortar]

its fine

one of the strongest passive stat trinkets we can use

[tranquil hemlock]

i dont raid so i'm happy

[frail veldt]

pacemaker is one of our best trinkets

[tranquil hemlock]

my dinars wont just sit in my bags

[frail veldt]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tranquil hemlock]

tf is that

[gaunt phoenix]

[frail veldt]

Its like geargrinder, priory, magnet, whistle, pacemaker as our tops

[runic bough]

Yeah I use pacemaker and stone but feel like the crit is not helping

[frail veldt]

your feeling is wrong lol

[runic bough]

[tranquil hemlock]

uuuuu

i see

[cinder haven]

I have myth whistle and myth priory with avoidance

[frail veldt]

pacemaker is like 0.1% off our bis trinket setup

[frail veldt]

jeeeeeez

[glass mortar]

im using myth pacemaker and myth magnet rn

[cinder haven]

But i have to tank

[frail veldt]

I have myth geargrinder but my second trinket is a toss up between myth remnant of darkness and a bunch of hero trinkets lol

[glass mortar]

kinda want a first boss trinket to see if it beats out magnet in aoe

[cinder haven]

So I’m playing bdk atm

[glass mortar]

magnets aoe scaling is a bit trashed

but its also fun to play around

[runic bough]

What was agility trinkets good for aoe or?

[frail veldt]

myth geargrinder CRANKS

[glass mortar]

even if it doesnt rlly matter

[bright crane]

Does it pump ass tho?

[frail veldt]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sGx25bqpFQTcy47DotrDhD

this is the trinket sim for dslice

[vital venture]

how does dungeon slice even sim kezan? does it assume ur perma in combat?

[frail veldt]

no

[gaunt phoenix]

no there is downtime

[glass mortar]

is the downtime count for stacks falling off tho

[frail veldt]

it should

[gaunt phoenix]

But dslice is 6 minutes so kezan wont sim well by default

[glass mortar]

doesnt the sim just restealth in downtime but combat never "drops"

[shell fossil]

does crit affect anything besides white damage on outlaw tho

[frail veldt]

I think kezan is actually better than sims show

[glass mortar]

crit effects everything

[shell fossil]

that's probably why it looks/feels bad even though its nice

[glass mortar]

just not BtE during RP

[vital venture]

i mean its not far down

[shell fossil]

yeah

[vital venture]

like 0.2

[frail veldt]

bro what?

[glass mortar]

so, its not amazing, but its still a secondary

and still stronger then haste or mastery

[frail veldt]

bte crits for 4x damage

[shell fossil]

i mean obviously yellow damage like dispatch im not trying to write a paragraph here

[frail veldt]

crit is good for us lol

it affects everything

[keen grotto]

real

[gaunt phoenix]

its just dmg

it is true crit is devalued compared to like s1

[runic bough]

Like I would rather have darkness over pacemaker

[glass mortar]

id say crit is pretty meh but all secondary trinkets r good and that one in particular is well designed for us

since we automatically max out its extensions

[gaunt phoenix]

most people have double vers rating over their crit

[glass mortar]

its just 50% uptime

[frail veldt]

pacemaker is better but you can run whatever darkness isnt much worse

but yeah crit value kinda goes down as xpac goes on cuz we overcap bte crit chance with RP up

[runic bough]

Darkness would stack agility with my stone

[shell fossil]

crit affects fok procs for example on assassin, it doesn't do any qol stuff for outlaw is what im trying to get at

[runic bough]

30k agility from trinkets

[gaunt phoenix]

yep its just dmg

[runic bough]

Mmmm

[glass mortar]

yes thats why crit is worse then vers

generally any stat thats worse then vers while u have zero secondaries is not doing very hot

outlaw just breaks all the rules

[frail veldt]

yeah we dont have mechanical crit bonuses but we do have stronger crit damage effects from trickster

its not irrelevant

@gaunt phoenix does that apply to deft hits?

[gaunt phoenix]

no

[runic bough]

I want to test the agility bonus from darkness and see if I notice huge dmg boost with stone proc at same time over 30k agility.

[frail veldt]

damn

that would go so hard

[gaunt phoenix]

but deft slaps anyway

[glass mortar]

darkness slowly builds up

[frail veldt]

yeah it really does

[glass mortar]

its a ramping trinket

[frail veldt]

deft is like 6% of my overall

[runic bough]

Yeah I know

If darkness build up to max and stone procs the agility bonus is huge

Nuke maybe?

How much dmg is added from 30k agility

[glass mortar]

probably like 30% or something

idr how much agility we have on live

[shell fossil]

wow junk maestros magnet outsims myth signet on st

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uX47YasDeAuw9tZR88qPrm

[glass mortar]

thats not surprising signet is an aoe trinket if anything

[vivid vessel]

oh wow

[glass mortar]

secondary trinkets arent generally very strong for us st compared to direct damage

[vivid vessel]

tats crazy !

[frail veldt]

oh damn thats kinda surprising honestly

[frail veldt]

do they have to do that specific dungeon on a +12?

[covert kestrel]

Weran punching air rn

[glass mortar]

u need to have all 12s

u need resilient unlocked

[runic bough]

Casuals going to go flame forums incoming hahaha

[vivid vessel]

floodgate deplete right before last boss !

kinda banger no ?

[glass mortar]

[vivid vessel]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[runic bough]

Fate or tricks?

[frail veldt]

floodgate is fun(mostly)

[frail veldt]

you know the answer to this

[glass mortar]

that dps number is not possible on fate

brother idk how long its gunna take u to understand

fatebound is like 20% behind in aoe

the calculator doesnt lie

[runic bough]

Waaaaaaahhhhh

[vivid vessel]

?

[runic bough]

[vivid vessel]

im gsw fatebound

[frail veldt]

hahahahah

[runic bough]

Oh shit

[tranquil hemlock]

tf

[runic bough]

[glass mortar]

... guys really

[frail veldt]

gsw fatebound no kir

[glass mortar]

hes livestreaming this

[covert kestrel]

Ryu send an address we will send you a big commemorative coin and you can flip it at home so you dont have to play fatebound

[runic bough]

Lol

[shell fossil]

honestly so glad they released the emerald snail, based, also myth track weapons from dinars is ye

[sullen surge]

Hey guys, just saw the fixes and read the pinned msg, do we now switch to deft maneuvers?

[covert kestrel]

not if youre ho

and you would play it anyway on kir

so nothing changes except numbies

[frail veldt]

LOL

[sullen surge]

ok so same talents im guessing, correct?

[covert kestrel]

yep

[glass mortar]

yes

[pliant wind]

LOL

[tranquil hemlock]

lmaooo

real coin flip is whether or not you can play the key

[runic bough]

I dont care im going to test fate pc deft tonight

[frail veldt]

"test"

youre just gona play it

[glass mortar]

idk what testing means

testing infers there is some unknown quality about the build

[frail veldt]

test would imply theres something to learn haha

[runic bough]

Yeah and see what overall is

[glass mortar]

other then that it just does like -25% dps

[runic bough]

That is a test

[frail veldt]

honestly KIR Deft PC plays fine

[glass mortar]

outlaws strong enough in standard key levels that even with -25% dps u can probably win overalls

[frail veldt]

its literally what we ran last season minus the PC

[vivid vessel]

guys

[glass mortar]

ud just be substantially weaker then u coulda been

🤷

[vivid vessel]

im gonna test the worse builds ever

[glass mortar]

play what u want

[tranquil hemlock]

hit stuff

do damage

[vivid vessel]

just to see how bad i can int my damage

[tranquil hemlock]

dope

[frail veldt]

Sometimes you do need to "test" builds that might be so far outside of the apl they arent supported well

[runic bough]

Well if I don't have to play ks it's a big win

[tranquil hemlock]

unequip your weapons bruh

[frail veldt]

Like if you wanted to test a non crackshot gsw build with KiR or something

[vivid vessel]

ryuk plays a normal build challenge impossible

[glass mortar]

listen we all need to remember ryuk is not a fatebound simp

hes just trying to avoid playing ks

which i can absolutely understand and appreciate

[glass mortar]

unfortunatly, blizzard said no

[vivid vessel]

bro

[frail veldt]

playing trickster and not pressing KS is more overall than playing fatebound iirc

[vivid vessel]

he says ANYONE

[tranquil hemlock]

he did say it

[vivid vessel]

but not outlaw !

???

[tranquil hemlock]

thats you

[runic bough]

Weran understands

[tranquil hemlock]

waah ?

[glass mortar]

i think its close to a wash

[vivid vessel]

he is the guy that kicked me

[quiet root]

anyone but outlaw ofc

[vivid vessel]

cause i was outlaw

[tranquil hemlock]

but muh anyone

[glass mortar]

last it was simmed i think not pressing ks as trickster was like -17% dps

[frail veldt]

tell him to change his posting

to say "no outlaws"

[glass mortar]

and its what, like 17-20% ahead in aoe?

[shut lichen]

anyone assumes we're human

outlaw players are subhuman

[runic bough]

Zac tell him you'll do more overall than him

[frail veldt]

lol yeah just take out KS talent and sim trickster

[shut lichen]

classic mishap

[vivid vessel]

i rpolly wont

he is dk

[frail veldt]

kinda curious lowkey

[vivid vessel]

3k7 io

im not doing more overall

[frail veldt]

thats sad its that much ahead tbh

[runic bough]

[tranquil hemlock]

yes you are

you hit alive bodies now

believe in yourself

press keys harder

[hasty warren]

cringe

[covert kestrel]

thats cray

[leaden folio]

Pirate Dragon Mount

we are so back

[vivid vessel]

ugly af

[covert kestrel]

better than rogue

[leaden folio]

BIS AF

[tranquil hemlock]

thats what peak male performance looks like

u might not like it but deal with it

[cinder relic]

[leaden folio]

i have nunchaku now

[runic bough]

Damn perfect dragon if no pirate hat

Too bad

[covert kestrel]

tf you mean we are literally the pirate spec

[leaden folio]

this is actually

a boss at tazavesh

im pretty sure

like

[runic bough]

I'm not a pirate fan I thought u knew dis

[tranquil hemlock]

dang thats dope where do i get that

[leaden folio]

trading post

[runic bough]

How does his hat stay on when he flys

[tranquil hemlock]

arh

[runic bough]

[hybrid crown]

I got the katana

I'm gonna make a neck beard mog and get that black trench coat

[covert kestrel]

the spikes duh

[runic bough]

Is katana sheathed on back?

[hybrid crown]

Wait we need a fedora mog asap

Yes

[hushed horizon]

Where does the trench coat come from

[hybrid crown]

Back

[runic bough]

Oh shit

I'll have to look at the katana then

[cinder relic]

@late swallow had one

[hybrid crown]

Idk the specifics but theres a rep that takes 10 hours of rep grinding to get it

If you have it you are one of the cool kids though

[frail veldt]

Did anyone ever figure out how far back the bladeflurry hitting dead targets bug has been around?

[hushed horizon]

Forever

[cinder relic]

Likely since SL when it got originally target capped

Because the flag wouldn't matter at all pre target cap

If it was hitting dead targets, but you could hit everything, it didn't matter

[frail veldt]

oh wow did the cap only come in SL?

[still matrix]

M+ trinkets from dinars

[hushed horizon]

Downfall of outlaw was part of the jailers plan

[still matrix]

Does outlawe even want m+ trinkets...

Doubt

[bright crane]

Yeah

Pacemaker is chill

[hybrid crown]

Mine cart trinket

[leaden folio]

we know how to deal now

[bright crane]

Whistle is chill

[leaden folio]

guy make wowhead post

fix in a weak

[covert kestrel]

Hey Alexa, play "Whistle" by Flo Rida

[shell fossil]

no one wants mug zee's hotline/geargrinders anyway

[covert kestrel]

i want to goon so hard

never got drop 😦

[cinder relic]

Fun fact, Blade Flurry was actually the only "Causes your ST abilities to cleave" ability in the game to not be capped at all

Whirlwind, Trickshot, and Sweeping Strikes were all hard capped throughout all of wow

blade flurry was the only exception here

[frail veldt]

clearly was op cuz in bfa outlaw was giga broken right?

[cinder relic]

Outlaw was shit until they added this talent

[bright crane]

That’s about the time Guy became a shareholder huh

[cinder relic]

And then they added this and Outlaw was the best spec in the game in keys, not close

[vivid vessel]

so outlaw was shit even uncapped

hmmmm

i see

[frail veldt]

whoa

[cinder relic]

Well it's mostly because sin got shrouded suffocation

The talent was like 50x stronger in BFA

[latent oak]

ya it was more that sin was op i think

[cinder relic]

So sin was the better keyspec, until outlaw got wits

Yeah sin was broken af season 1

then it got nerfed

then in season 1.5 they added wits

and then Outlaw was just unbeatable

3x outlaw for 2 seasons

Outlaw, and that azerite trait got nerfed like 5 different times

[leaden folio]

i remember playing snake

if you 1 buff, you got 3000 agility

lmao

[cinder relic]

Outlaw didn't have baseline 99% ar uptime, it was closer to like, 45%
So going from 40% SS chance, to 100% in 1 global was really strong

Because originally, it was "whenever any target is hit by any flurry, you gain 1 stack"

[shell fossil]

dumb question why is fth so good

[cinder relic]

So on a 20 target pull, you pressed BF and INSTANTLy had 100% ss chance

[leaden folio]

peak of bfa was debate "blood vs iris"

[glass mortar]

increases the cp gen and damage of pistol shot

[cinder relic]

it generates infinite CP

[glass mortar]

ur most efficient generator

also increases the proc rate of audacity

[shell fossil]

sum dispatched and kir are right there 😢

[glass mortar]

since its unique pistol shot casts

instead of just a damage/cp mod

[shell fossil]

sorry im griefing chat

[cinder relic]

You wouldn't be able to leverage dispatcher and KiR without the CP generation of fan the hammer

Also for HO builds its giving you 3 individual chances to proc audacity

[late swallow]

PoddyC needs to kick
Dorki off

[glass mortar]

wtf

[late swallow]

He fucking sucks so much

[glass mortar]

we got a cat hater in here

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-explosion-gif-7138394752046712707

[vivid vessel]

what did he do

outgoons you ?

[late swallow]

No charisma, cringe lisp

[glass mortar]

????

[late swallow]

Bad takes

[sullen wyvern]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/mythic-dungeon-trinkets-added-to-dinar-vendor-myth-track-needs-mythic-12s-376662

[late swallow]

Fuck dorki certified hater here

[sullen wyvern]

am I dreaming?

[late swallow]

Holy shit wtf

[sullen wyvern]

am I fucking dreaming?

[cinder haven]

[vivid vessel]

cant wait to be able to take

outlaw bis trinkets from m+

like

[glass mortar]

like

[vivid vessel]

uh

[glass mortar]

uh

[vivid vessel]

you know

uh

[cinder haven]

Uh

[late swallow]

Mythic grim codex

[glass mortar]

the one

[cinder haven]

Uh uh

[latent oak]

myth track delve trinkets next

[vivid vessel]

ye that one right ?

[sullen wyvern]

zac I wil llet you know I dont only play outlaw, I also play other specs

[gilded sinew]

I already have pacemaker and signet mythic

[glass mortar]

ok its a good change it just doesnt matter to us

[latent oak]

ya its good

[sullen wyvern]

I am a multi spec connoseur (im barely at 3k)

[glass mortar]

look at zac trying to find a way to hand blizzard an L on this one

even tho its a good thing

classic zac

[cinder haven]

Already have good outlaw trinkets

[vivid vessel]

im not xd

weran

[late swallow]

Good change for sure

[vivid vessel]

thoughts?

trinket collection i have lying here

[late swallow]

Can’t wait to see how people spin it as a bad thing

[latent oak]

wonder if they add mechagon staff and shit like that to the vendor

[bright crane]

I think those are trinkets

Can anybody confirm?

[cinder haven]

Can also get raid gear without raiding at all

But only hero track obv

[leaden folio]

actually they said "most of trinket" so its not even every trinket

[covert kestrel]

maybe, just maybe, this type of gear catchup isnt for a HoF + title pusher

wild idea

[cinder haven]

Nice bone to throw us tbh

[latent oak]

dont use the word bone around somnius

[cinder relic]

THEY SHOULD HAVE CAME OUT INITIALLY ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN

[vivid vessel]

mad cause im better no capo

[cinder relic]

THE FACT THEY DIDNT DO THIS ORIGINALLY IS DISGUSTING

[covert kestrel]

oh damn i thought guy actually had a thought that blizz mishandled something

[late swallow]

[cinder relic]

blizz mishandles things all the time

[cinder haven]

Are you roleplaying an outlaw discord enjoyer guy?

[vivid vessel]

guy is a master noob !!

i seen it on the news !

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/im-playing-both-sides-both-sides-its-always-sunny-frank-retires-s10e09-gif-17913970

[drowsy pier]

sooo, we back? or is assa still gonna be boss?

[vivid vessel]

assa is still better

[late swallow]

[red zinc]

the 3 ilvl difference on my neck is preventing me from timing keys

[shell fossil]

the uh..microsoft synth voice version of raining men

[red zinc]

ay look

lizzard catching w's this week

had to compensate for the .5 patch

we are on the "we are so back" part of the cycle

[cinder relic]

We gotta blow these ppl up or something

https://tenor.com/view/nba-gif-15687325833433865178

[sullen wyvern]

now question is, why only trinkets from m+ and not the whole loot table

they should at least include neck and rings

[red zinc]

send them to new jersey

[runic bough]

Yo guys we should tell all classes to make bug articles and blizzard pay our TC's for finding them since they are not actively looking. Forget about dinar they don't care about it.

[late swallow]

I should be able to log in, talk to an npc, and loot a 678 jastor diamond with avoidance immediately

[glass mortar]

and a free socket

[red zinc]

relog to china

[vivid vessel]

ok fr tho

[glass mortar]

these sockets dont pay for themselves

[sullen wyvern]

tru n real

[vivid vessel]

i wish i could get the chest

from priory

[covert kestrel]

ey go fuck ya self

[vivid vessel]

im gonna be chasing that bitch for the whole season no capo

[shell fossil]

who up clicking they buttons

[red zinc]

no as in chief keef is going to blow new jersey up

[shell fossil]

it's like 30k dps fr

aw f

[late swallow]

I love sosa

[runic bough]

Reminds me of pupusas

Donno why

[shut lichen]

i see what you did there

[red zinc]

wonder if that timewalking bfa dungeon list is any hint as to what dungeons we get in m+ next

prolly not

[late swallow]

King’s rest and tol dagor please

[shut lichen]

BFA timewalking?

wtf

[late swallow]

[red zinc]

ye the mount from gambit is the mount drop

its hype

[shut lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/its-been-2000-years-jesus-gif-25011303

[glass mortar]

"our captains a dragon?"

OUR CAPTAINS A DRAGON

[late swallow]

Honey sweetie it’s time for junkyard again

[covert kestrel]

is it a rare boi

[glass mortar]

i loved that boss

[still matrix]

Eu prices already same as China i just checked lol

[red zinc]

loved spinning it around

hook tail roulette

[shut lichen]

so 6 weeks from 11.1.7 is s3 then

[covert kestrel]

September yea?

[shut lichen]

em

[red zinc]

end of august

somethin like that

s3 prolly going to be quite short

or long if they do actually stretch the xpac to 2 years again to work on housing

said they wouldnt though

[runic bough]

Junkyard last boss was fun

[covert kestrel]

why

isnt new expac going to be sep - march - sep 1.5 years?

[red zinc]

legion remix and housing prepatch

[olive flax]

Is now the time to start 11.1.7 rework cope?

[red zinc]

like if they want to do 1.5 year expansions then they gotta pump shit out pretty fast one after another

[shut lichen]

well they'd like to end it by 2030

doesn't mean that's what they'll stick to

[covert kestrel]

pirate dragon mount is a new sign that they are going to rework outlaw in 11.1.7 confirmed. guy loves it when we read between the lines

[olive flax]

ohh hell yea im so ready

[cinder haven]

BUT WHAT ABOUT MYTH TRACK DELVE TRINKETS

[runic bough]

Delve trinkets are too strong.

[covert kestrel]

weran +1

[red zinc]

ok i actually do have an issue with this though

[runic bough]

They don't trinkets being more than 1% dps now Tob

[red zinc]

normal energy drink was still good before

[runic bough]

[magic shuttle]

Myth track delve trinkets would be bis for outlaw

[red zinc]

but it doesnt scale up like the hero version

[cinder haven]

[red zinc]

gotta actually get the hero version to play with that trinket which blows

[cinder haven]

For a lot of specs probably

[covert kestrel]

would be bis for most specs

[cinder haven]

I wasn’t serious if that wasn’t obvious

[glass mortar]

itll never happen

[red zinc]

energy drink is goated for any class that likes mastery

[glass mortar]

nobody wants to engage in the peak content

cowards

[magic shuttle]

Yeah the trinkets this season are held back by ilvl I feel

[glass mortar]

so delve trinkets gotta be kept down

[shut lichen]

just roll it first week gosh

[glass mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1166809459901878363.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

[shut lichen]

from a map

[red zinc]

delves are fine now

[magic shuttle]

I like the occasional delve

It's chill

[red zinc]

yknow what lizzard should do to make alting even more addicting

catchup vaults

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-west-kanye-ai-dance-gif-6290223825845382767

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-west-kanye-ye-um-uhm-gif-1371611536126645899

cousin pov

[shut lichen]

depends on how that would work

[red zinc]

you just get charges depending on how many vaults you havent claimed rewards from

and you can claim whatever you store in your current vault with them

[late swallow]

the most reasonable thing would be to implement the PTR gear vendors onto live realms

[glass mortar]

but every piece costs minimum of 1m

finally, true goldsink

[runic bough]

Welp

That's a wrap

Cut the rest guys tww is over

[red zinc]

guess we're not getting .7 patch notes till next week though

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/russell-crowe-maximus-gladiator-fields-gif-12708940

[red zinc]

if its previews and nothin else today

[covert kestrel]

finally we touch grass

[whole oxide]

Was the bugfixes really just a buff to the spec?

[sullen wyvern]

No, they were actually bugfixes

[late swallow]

they'll tune outlaw down to account for the bugfixes

surely

[sullen wyvern]

I can see that happening

It'll be giga stupid to do

[whole oxide]

Were the bugs from 11.1.5 or from 11.1?

[sullen wyvern]

Some of them were from DF

[whole oxide]

Better nerf fury instead