#outlaw
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Yeah, that part I believe, but outside of that is it even a big diff
It will help perception a bit
its noticeable i would say
i think its better in higher keys than lower keys
how does KiR feel zac? When i switched back to KIR it felt kinda "slow"?
Maybe easier to get invites
They didn't fix the bug where BF only hits 8 targets 
KIR is my fav
Nice, will try some keys tonight. Didn't even fill vault last week
If it's possible to play KIR ill play KIR
but simwise KiR does just 30k dps more for me
i think ho is legit just better for 99% of people tho
Anyone on US wanna craft some Armbands for me. Been spamming trade for about 1 hr.
go horde
if you are ally
to ask people
Are these fixes visible in the sims? Or were the bugs never visible in the first place?
Is the bf fix live ?
yes
Let’s goooooo
what is the bf fix?
Pins.

Also if you die as kir you are a bit fucked up
well maybe its not the same as the past but
or downtime
kir sounds more like a team stuff idk
zac what are the thoughts on pc and 1fth, yay or nay
did you play any key with all the fixes
ye
i did the same after without raid buffs than with raid buffs kinda
Zac is french?
but damage is mostly similar the difference is that in bigger pulls you arent doing 5 mil dps anymore
Expedition 33 as done a lot of good for your nationality, so I take it as a positive
lmao
expedition 33 was a good game
american desperatly need to release a good game to redeem themsleves rn
gta 6 ?
was??
Deft/fazed fix influences sim results
gm/bf fixes are not necessary to be modeled by simc
I actually always liked the french
Did it die????
obvlivion remake is enough
elden ring?
ye its ded now
But it's not as funny to make fun of the french as they send out bangers lately
oh f rip
i like french more since arcane
https://i.imgur.com/RbOLDeS.jpeg is this the default HO for m+ now? or do we take deft?
keep the fortiche going pls
no deft as ho
also helped
ohh okay deft only for kir?
Also the Summit of the world was good
okay got it!
idk what that is
French animated movie
btw how did you apply fazed
I think maybe very optimally
you might want to mouseover ss
in some cases
but
who will bother
not me
ye
ah with bte?
XD
or what was it
and i think something else aswell but i cant rememebr
how painful was that
oh fw ?
gs?
anyone knows if a macro exists to bind Ambush if i have HO talented and SS if not?
Zac go do that meadery key, I wanna see how an outlaw handles it
idk if that was efver a thing the fw thing
gs had way shorter cd iirc
bro no one is applying
the game is legit dead
idk
sub with shuriken + flag was hella fun
no
and now my work internet is dying, I will live without htis knowledge now
what are you looking for?
I mean
wtf old title
!wa
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
did they fixed outlaw?
Hey bros. Why are people running the 1 FTH with KIR and still taking KS? I guess I thought that build was nice because you didn’t have to use KS.
every m+ build is trickter
Ks is reliant on hero talent
trickster get ks
Trickster uses ks
This is the recommended (Best) build for all dungeons according to https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/outlaw/mythic-plus-dungeon-tips
Is this up to date after these recent changes/hotfixes?
I’d argue that kir can do more overall
Is it still a dps boost to use it?
Killing spree?
Always
If it wasn’t we wouldn’t use it
It’s a dogshit button
HE GOT IN
Ok cool. I’ll try out the 1 FTH. Been running HO and my gear sims 200k higher on HO.
did those outlaw fixes happen already?
Kir is better at 8 targets
Needs more haste which is why it is simming lower
Yes
i switched to other specs i will get back to outlaw when im good then 😦
KIR build use blade flurry in stealth window?
well depends
Yes, though there are small variations, depending on what you want, like dropping CtO/GS. You can check in #outlaw-faq under aoe builds
Thank you!
only press 5+ target?
How much we talking here. Like 20%?
You press it when you know you'll finish at 5+ cps in stealth or +6 outside stealth
!haste
Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.
*But Haste has a **requirement ** because
Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.
The
KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from
Alacrity.
The
HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of
Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.
You need to use
Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.
Aww zac
he blocked me
What lvl key
Sucks about the key
But why you cant play 'noirmal' class
so you cant be allowed to play your class
@realz make rogue real class plz
It is a real class if you play all the specs
outlaw will get nerfed 
delist key for a sec
nwm u got heal 😄
u should see NA its impossible to play the game in lfg
It is incredibly demotivating knowing that all you gear gets 6 ilvls better in 2 weeks
in 3 weeks you get corruptions
why
OMG
94 runs
The only demotivating thing is, that some people will need to giga farm crests, to upgrade all gear
If they didn't spend their crests wisely
theres no cap on crests tho
you know these thingies
come the day of reset
you spend everything
and buy everything
It's not about cap
it's about amount of crests you'll need to push everything +2
valorstones
and valor too i guess
I've already made 5 alts named valorBankOne to valorBankFive
im starting to think you guys dont actually enjoy just playing this game
you can send valorstone ?
It will be warbound
I think it has 25% penalty ?
i need to farm valor on alts
i dont understand the i-need-rewards shit everyone is always on about
alot of your french songs are good zac
ion mega shitters
Keys
radiant echos
You farm valorstones while gaining crests
i said mega shitters
It's a win/win
just go earn the shit in homework keys damn
I enjoy playing the game, but that doesn't change the fact, that all gear gets +2 tracks = need shitton crests and valor to upgrade it before raid
cant you level alts, and do all the rep pick up for valor stones?
to upgrade everything
which you can then send
idk what that is
I dunno if this is true
i wanted to send my mead 17 zac btw, mby next time when u not in a key and me neither
fast depleto
the fuck do u mean didnt liquid kill the shit the first week like 10 ilvls under where we are now, plus blizzard gives you a free meme raid buff, plus the shit has been nerfed 20 times
ooohh
ye
you are right
u guys are lost wtf
i see what you mean
sure xdd
I dont really know if it works though
Ok, but like
Your average CE raider is not even close to level of liquid/echo/method
What are you on about
can you transfer crests?
you think 30 ilvl and 20% dps buff
or only valorstones
doesnt put you about equal footing?
no bro he NEEDS the crest before he even THINKS about entering that mythic raid 3 months in
Outlaw fotm now
oh nooooooooooooooo not the parse
The 0.1% dps increase cant be overstated
I mean talk shit all you want, doesn't change the fact that those upgrade will be helpful lol
And you will want them asap if you're CE raider
blizzard is literally just hand feeding you raw % dps/hps every other week or whatever
This upping of myth track should be nice. You can do keys while still getting gear upgrades.
you dont need the shit before u enter it
k
But like if you wanna perform at the top sure, but I dont press the right buttons consistently enough
and gear wont help me with that
performing at the top and progging the raid 3 months in are not compatible
I can’t believe they closed hall of fame already
I didn’t even get all my power upgrades yet!!!!
what does this have to do with NEEDING that few ilvl IMMEDIATELY before going into the raid
I agree with you, I was just trying to be like understanding of him wanting to farm it before raid
Idk maybe some people like to be as prepared as they can for raid
why not
Idk why you're so agressive about this
It's not like I'm telling you to do it, it's just my opinion
ur opinion is bad
ok
Let me answer in the same manner then
but spread diff info for buff

guys
i got
better AR uptime rn
but sometimes i feel burnd out of spells and i cant really keep up my ar so im dropping it for like 10 secs or smth
how do i play it better tho ?
i have english client kekw
like how would anyone remember how to spell this
german spelling b's would go insane
the rasmus new single?
How many Combopukten do I cast bte with?
HUH?
it was moved to 8%

your ambush casts seem low
overall
you are pressing pistol shots in stealth a lot
Also wasting quite a bit cps from AR
and a lot of SS casts during opportunity
Ah okay yeah fair enough, we are doing too much intended damage need to retune
for this build the builder priority is pretty much always ambush (if available) > opportunity (if you cant ambush) > ss
with some exceptions/minmaxes
So if i got a pistol shot proc do i only use ambush ?
yes unless you dont have energy to ambush
yea that hurts you cause then you dont have pistol shot to proc ambush when ambush is not available after stealth
is there a way to find a good coach for outlaw?
your gems btw
stormbringer + undersea + windsinger should be better for keys
make sure you are tracking when coup de grace is ready, i see a perhaps unusual amount of vanishes used at 4 escalating blade stacks
also lots of vanish at low cp into ambush
which class/spec should i get to the unpenetrable +16 lfg wall next
Guilty of this
unless you are about to lose AR within the global then you should vanish into bte
Problem is I hit vanish right after building to 5cp and my weak aura doesn’t update my coup stacks instantly there’s a slight delay
is devoker fun
He plays Aug
nice
@gaunt phoenix
im doing 500k more maybe ?
500k to 1 mil
in most keys i did today
1mil maybe is exageratting
and i also have 2 more ilvl
very noticeable on big packs tho
Zac you have very mixed music taste
If the BF nerf hits I blame zac, he’s too public with his new dmg
but overall good
we are still the worse rogue spec
so
there is
lets see
Yeah true. So need to retune bf and buff assa
I really have not understood how the hero talents for trickster works
udk > druid > every mage spec > assa > hunter > sub? idk > outlaw
maybe outlaw is better than sub now
but idk about that
sub was good in keys cause it still had a good damage profile
so it was good in keys wehre that damage profile was good
outlaw is still outlaw
so i think we are fine for nerfs
Druid including feral?
feral can actually pump
and that only get worse with more key level
nice
so idk why you guys are crying for nerfs
we are in a nice spot now, lets just enjoy it
Eh wouldn’t say crying more like expecting the way blizz works, if I’m wrong I’ll dono to you
I don't think anyone is wishing the class to be nerfed
you are wrong
can already donate
but i dont have a donate button
If I right u refund x2?
Just buy him something nice
I swear I gifted u subs b4
no
its likely blizz running their calculations based on working numbers, not based on bf hitting dead targets, so the nerfs would of come already. crack on and push some keys guys
i just play aug sometimes
like the only thing you need to be scared of
is looking good in raid
has anyone run priory sense fix does it feel better
because they legit dont tune m+ anyway
i kind of want to say the fix is "at least 10%" if i want to give a number out of my ass
cause idk that's how it feels
maybe idk
use an exact number with a decimal to make it look way more official
xdd
13.28% sounds fine
nerf outlaw
real
i do think outlaw in shitter keys will look disproportionately strong
usually you have new partitions ye
Which is nerf territory cause they look at that
we got one for 11.1.5
always does tho idk
i mean ye
low keys are not realistic cuase cd specs do 0 damage
idk
ret pally also cranks shitter keys
and they made every spec a cd spec
so now outlaw is legit the only spec that does damage in low keys
but thats kinda on blizzard idk
Ah yes the old outlaw +15 kings meme
ye but like
as long as every spec in the game is a 2 min spec
and outlaw doesnt have cooldowns
it will shit on lower keys
no matter what
thats just how this game works
they still have cooldowns
Demo lock is good if it's not like a super low key
i guess the clarification is more things that don't have a flat dmg profile
Ret i would argue is RNG cooldowns with maybe a 40sec one or something
if you dont have cds you have a flat damage profile lol
ok bro if they have cooldowns then so do we
yeah that's what i'm saying
it was more to explain why enh and ret don't count
cause they still got mini cds where they just crank
idk enha is still a 2 min spec
they do damage out of cds kinda if they want but
its a 2 min spec
i'd argue fury warrior is the closet alternative atm
oh unless they dont play the cd this season
whats the new or old blade flurry logic for KIR m+?
just slam bf
2 mobs any combo pt?
ah ye i completly forgot we had bf rules
they ascendence yes
i mean BM has a no cd m+ build that pleanty of people play
i ignore them completly solo
no more like 4 mobs
kk
or nvm
did we cancel the 2cp bf thing
like not casting at 2 cp or whatever it was
that bullshit
lol
isn't MM just the better choice nowadays?
yeah just slam it, there might be a rule to not cast it at like 5cp but it would be minimal
cause MM burst is kinda illegal ngl
they are honestly even, more people switching to MM cause it does have a higher dmg ceiling if you gets procs, and its all around funner to play
it does have the best burst for its target count, but also heavily reliant on lock and load rng
zac can you keep up with UDK and Boomies now in keys?
wonder if its enough for wox to come back lol
Wox was playing law last night
its like christmas or new patch day again
yeah, i can time 15s, just had to play perfect
and in the end sin is still stronger anyway so
p sure you can take off a piece of gear and time a 15
what do i order to eat zac?
i just ordered a french tacos
Chinese
do you have those
is that a taco wtih mayo?
xd
Burrito
yes

are you french
only been to toulon
i dont remember you being french
I had some French fries earlier 😊
no i'm not
though i speak enough of it
if you arent french how are you gonna get a french tacos
cause we got a french taco place here
sounds fake
idk what you want me to sayy
send picture of it
what is a french taco
so i check if its real or not
tacos*
its not a taco
its like
bunch of different meat
fries
and cheese sauce thing
Grill marks are sensational
how much of % is the bug fix overall?
the owner is some like french dude
right
think he may be an immigrant lowkey
hey guys check out these french tacos
send picture of the tacos or its fake
ye this aint a french tacos nice try tho
i can't order from there till like 4 hrs from now
hard to say, it's in pins
ok ping me in 4 hours

Thoughts?
wtf is a French taco?
stop calling it a taco
probably this
fast food stuff in a panini
We ahve these in denmark
You called it a taco
they call it french taco
sounds fake
this really is just a burrito right
no
no
???
closer to a panini
no
then a burrito
is the outside not a tortilla?
it's like a hybrid of it all
xd
I gotta be honest zac
Too bready bread
kinda crazy it never caught on here tbh
cheese sauce
I have never wanted to try it
maybe cause we have enough fast food
But if you tell me it's good
really?
why
honestly its one of my favorite food
It sounded like a meme food tbh?
its kinda a banger
Like french tacos
tikka masala
no lol
Were just getting doner kebab here which is an improvement
sounds like something made up
i mean the name sounds memey
Swedish tacos is also a thing
yo got my pizza calzone
but its french
ye it is
what is this sentence
yo pirates
Svennetacos
I got really burnt by one place serving Philly cheese steaks here in copenhagen
And then it turned out they had a shit ton of rats and health issues
and they all got closed down
but I still miss the philly cheese steaks
I mean the French tacos not taco do look good ngl
It's a banger
Especially if you are a bit eater
and this might be a good replacement
These mfs will fill you up
it's just fries cheese sauce and meat?
Ye
Wegovy helped me with my eating issues
Basically
we speak about tacos
@vivid vessel ok i order french tacos today and send pic
or Ozempic, whatever you call it
bruh why u're talkign about tacos lol
german and turkish actually arguing about kebab
i'm getting 4 of those babies
what a time
Product placement 
He asked what to eat
I had to continue spreading the french tacos propaganda
Fucking true
This is 9e here
4 is wild ngl
ans u told him to order a tacos ? what a disaster
taco baguette
Don't think that's a tacos, looks like potatoes inside or some shit
i agree it's good enough to spread propaganda about
like the best thing to come out of france
I made healthy food yesterday, maybe it's time for something unhealthy
so not true
French media, and food goes so hard
No no it is
just not people from Paris
its french fries chicken and sauce
nah it's true
Can't believe my bf was hitting on corpses this whole time
Things you can't say outside here
just like the best thing to come out of Italy is Tiramisu
Is it cheese sauce tho
Why the fuck is the french taco place in copenhagen named "O'snacks" though, like why is it an irish name
a mexican object
and french style
It's not a Irish name
why does it need to be cheese sause
Zac
We have the same shit in here
wdym why?
doesnt the page on french tacos just say its fries meat and some kinda sauce
Order me a tacos please
Bonjour
cheese sauce makes it
Idk thags what a french tacos is cuh
is having "O' " not like an irish thing?
No
O'malley or stuff like that
Lmaooo
We have a bunch of O stuffs in France
Huh
O’Riley’s is Irish?
no idea
O no
My bad
its like cheddar
O'bozozac
but not sure if its cheese or something else
I knew you loved an apostrophe
but not to the extent
???? fix ur wiki page then??
O'macdonald
Had a farm
Wiki page is fake but nice try
Good song choice Zac
SERVING TEMPERATURE, WARM
I mean it says
What s wrong
I LOVE WIKI PAGES
Weran
I mean
I assume there is vegetarian option
I have never seen a taco consisting in a flour tortilla
wont be real
Some stuff
well french tacos arent tacos
they arent even really close to tacos
its just what its called
It's an american thing to be this closely guarded about what is a taco btw
wait i thought they were the same?
vegetarian french tacos
fries are vegetables for americans
yo zac. eating a dame blanche actually
or do you mean tacos of tacobell
sacrilege
Europeans generally just say tacos when they mean burritos, or savory pancakes in general
A French taco is an American hot pocket. I said what I said
no, but if you have ever had real tacos you would picture something in ur head that isnt even remotely close to what a french taco is when u say french tacos
Not bad dame blanche
i dont think thats surprising
But better coupe colonel

most would think the tortilla shell one and not the soft ones
ye
Yea it s close to burrito
You cant even agree on this
Panini ??? Bro
a burrito is just a wrap no?
Fajitas is also just a wrap, but with chicken
BTW @vivid vessel
or something
ur unhinged
Have u eat à real mex tacos ?
Yeah fries meat and cheese in a tortilla made me think Cali burrito
Nop
not rerallyt lol
Absolutly not
What ???? Bro someone time out @trail star
Zac Côme home
also, you mother fuckers decided to name the stuff around burritos tortilla
haha
I ve à restaurant for u
Gotta goggle it
To test
But isnt a tortilla in spanish an omelet?
I invite
Like it's as confusing as possible
Yes also known as omelet de patatas
What ??? 
did you all move on from the taco thing?
damn true
A banger
West coast Mexican food hits so much better than anywhere in the world. That’s a fact
Actually kev
sometimes I have to emphasize for the dense people in the back
false kev
... Mexico?
Brasillian food in Luxemburg is something next level
That’s included in West Coast
The mexican food in denmark is abyssmal, I dont think I ever had a good mexican meal, I had a plenty of good tex mex
cuz it's easier to make
but the mexican flavors are always subpar here, OR I dont like mexican food as much as I hoped
chinese food made by a middle eastern in london hits the best
Any Mexican in Europe prob garbage (the cuisine)
Turkish food in germany
I Know only 1 gréât mexican restaurant. It s in luxemburg. Expensive but holy heck worth it
bit of a reach
Greek food in Germany
U Know what s better than all these cuisines?
a kebab?
Mom's cuisine
Greek food in germany also goes hard, but the kebab in germany is the greatest
They beat them all
Disagree, your mum doesnt cook that well

sorry i meant, my mum doesnt cook that well
YOU THOUGH TACO BEFORE SANDWICH?
Panini is literally just a sandwich you heat while pressing down
Yeah a panini is a sandwich lol
what eyes do you use to come to this conclusion?
why taco first?
A panani is just à grilled pain and smashed sandwish
also why an unwrapped one
Panini is like a cuban?
a cuban sandwhich is legendary
I am guessing at this point
It's almost like every culture made bread and decided to put stuff in that bitch and serve it
very likely yes
Rugbrød
let it be known
that i have never seen a danish restaurant in my life b4
but how do you eat that
just saying
Knife and fork?
you start with the top or
heard of noma?
nah but i've heard of boffa
wtf
New Nordic cuisine is literally danish
wtf
That cheese looks radioactive
how dare you insult the city of Boffa
radioctive XDDDDDDD
so like most places?
Sorry I dont know minor Guinean cities
I just ordered an American croissant @vivid vessel
with a population of 8k
That's a fucking mcmuffin brother
Ez breakfast not too heavy
What are the chances we catch a nerf based on low keys
!up
not zero
High. Like 100%
Cuz we are straight pumping in low keys
bro came to ruin the flow with outlaw related questions
Absolutely done me head in
LOL
How dare he
u weren't already?
Like how
could you guys just sandbag for a couple weeks until after MDI is over?
bro thinks we making it to MDI
^way ahead of you

outlaw isnt even the best rogue spec
lmao even
I am already sandbagging
idk what there is to sandbag
oh boy do i have news for you
if they nerf outlaw they are just stupid kekw
We got nerfed based on heroic raid , getting nerfed based on 10’s is not out of the question
its wox
Based Wox?
and mdi is tgp now
no way Wox is playing Outlaw there
i mean after the fixes
based if he does though
Why not play it in theater?
we have to play 2 specs
tbf memes aside there are some dungeons where i see it as a play
its fine
It's gonna go hard seeing some outlaw stuff
if outlaw get nerfed we have serious issues
We have issues now
Is better than outlaw
we have 2 rogue specs better than oultaw
In top
and like
LETS GOOOOO
?? You mean we didn’t already ?? Bro?
what
Imagine we still had double with these fixes
10 specs better than rogue
Man
Zac
We're so back
I think u should replace wox and be the outlaw!
all 3 mages specc, unholy, balance, dev, enha, elemental,
Okay Censi, I'll do it.
make ur team duh
that's 8?
just be triple rogues
carry yourselves to victory
When's the break the meta?
non existent bro
Well my tank quit so my team is gone for good reason
is zeross the top rogue atm?
Wonder how they ll deal with mage
in terms of score ofc
You can think frost but frost is also à top tier spec
Wox prolly is
I think zero is rank1
Guys on the bright side.. new season of D4 is out go spend money
But also wox is on TR 24/7
ye
So not really comparable
Its like hopefull jpc blablabla
They re the only relevant team playing live
Afaik

Everybody rerolled arcane since hopeful plays it
I mean
And they're all so cringe
Fire is dogshit im saying it since begining of the patch
I m impressed we na/eu havnt played frost
cause 9/10 the people who play are shit
why do you think we already got nerfed
does hekili work with outlaw rogue?
yes
Like i légit think u play arcane if u need prio/funnel. And frost if u need avec / pure ST
What mécanics ?
All 3 mages specs can freely move While playing
They re all 3 bm
You only have to cast glacial spike and arcane surge
u ask for one blast wave while they bust and you'd think you've asked them to kill their first born
stops should all be off gcd






