15$ a month
#outlaw
sullen wyvern
covert kestrel
monkcord fucking fuming at the fixes we got lmao
sullen wyvern
I expect shit to work and not be bnugged for monthjs, I can understand if they take some time to fix things
proven ocean
both ingame and out
sullen wyvern
but we are 11 weeks into the patch, some of these bugs are from DF
hollow temple
taking 4 days?
past falcon
getting multiple bugs fixed within days while working on whatevers on their current sprint is not bad
lone spear
wow is a complicated game, its not surprising some bugs go unnoticed
covert kestrel
getting multiple bugs fixed within days while working on whatevers on their curr...
HOUSING CLIPPING
wintry solar
Old as shit engine
past falcon
HOUSING CLIPPING
HOUSING IS IMPORTANT
covert kestrel
https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-eating-spaghetti-will-smith-spaghetti-ai-gif-1...
BF eating all the dead bodies IRL
bright crane
looool
wintry solar
Irl????
late swallow
Ball so hard they thought I was a nutsack
upbeat tundra
I’m mad we were attacking dead bodies for like 4 years
covert kestrel
Ball so hard they thought I was a nutsack
piss is stored in the balls
upbeat tundra
I wonder if shit like fury has the same issue
Or other classes
I wonder if there’s a bunch of abilities out there just hitting dead bodies
wintry solar
Plot twist, I'm actually a dev and this is an alt account because I like socializing
late swallow
Plot twist, I'm actually a dev and this is an alt account because I like sociali...
Thanks @realzz for all your hard work
covert kestrel
Thanks @realzz for all your hard work
Someone did tag Realz earlier 
fathom bramble
I wonder if shit like fury has the same issue
we looked at a lot of other spells to check for the allow dead target thing
didn't find it on any warr stuff
fathom bramble
no matter what my feedback is or how negative it gets
fathom bramble
there's one thing that won't change
WoW is the single best mmo on the market for the last 20 years
late swallow
I will give it to blizz for sure
late swallow
I do think that the creative spirit and hunger just isn’t there anymore
covert kestrel
WoW is the single best mmo on the market for the last 20 years
OSRS tho
haughty wigeon
theres nothing like wow
wintry solar
Nah, the ones that get released and die off after 4 years is better
cinder relic
I do think that the creative spirit and hunger just isn’t there anymore
Bro were getting housing
wintry solar
I can't wait for housing
fathom bramble
OSRS tho
OSRS is awesome for sure, but it can't compare to the content and consistency of updates that wow offers
bright crane
i get people are amped for housing
i just dont understand why
i dont personally see the appeal of the feature
past falcon
bc its housing
wintry solar
Imma be on Azeroths MTV Cribs called "Crypts"
late swallow
I don’t get the housing hype either
torpid fiber
The one biggest flaw of wow for me is that the artstyle means it really struggles to make a lot of things look cool but also the artstyle is iconic as hell
and also places like zereth mortis and tazavesh look incredible
haughty wigeon
ngl
cinder relic
Literally club penguin
Yes and?
haughty wigeon
swtor getting housing
bright crane
yeah but why is housing wanted? people hated wod cause of everybody felt isolated
cinder relic
yeah but why is housing wanted? people hated wod cause of everybody felt isolate...
Wod housing wasn't real housing
bright crane
i get u can have communities and shit
haughty wigeon
in tatooenie
bright crane
i know i know
past falcon
yeah but why is housing wanted? people hated wod cause of everybody felt isolate...
yea but u literally can have guild neighborhoods
late swallow
Mfs live in squalor irl and are excited to take care of in game housing
Empty your piss bottles
cinder relic
wod was like, presets
fathom bramble
customizable houses with a ton of decorations sounds fun to play with
fathom bramble
it's like poe hideouts with even more stuff in theory
late swallow
and halloween decorations?
You’re supposed to throw out the tissues when you’re done jelqing king
haughty wigeon
its fun rp stuff
bright crane
customization for the sake of it?
past falcon
the point is its cute and cosmetic and a fun side thing to do
haughty wigeon
You’re supposed to throw out the tissues when you’re done jelqing king
imagine using tissues
fathom bramble
what other kind of customization is there?
bright crane
fun rp stuff is probably the most legit answer ive heard so far
torpid fiber
The 1 button rotation is going to be so huge for shit guilds btw
Like actually unbelievably big
bright crane
as to a real tangible reason
past falcon
why do u pet battle
wintry solar
Why do we need a reason other than we like it and want it?
covert kestrel
The 1 button rotation is going to be so huge for shit guilds btw
Like actually u...
can a whole raid of one button pressers clear aotc
torpid fiber
can a whole raid of one button pressers clear aotc
probably not but that's correlation because ppl using one button will struggle with mechs as well
glass mortar
even if everyone lost 20% dps to using it (like outlaw probably does) u could clear aotc
and most specs will not lose that much dps
fathom bramble
think of it like putting together a transmog
glass mortar
its more of a question of how good the rotation is
fathom bramble
but it's an entire room
covert kestrel
even if everyone lost 20% dps to using it (like outlaw probably does) u could cl...
but i worked so hard for aotc, they are devauluing my accomplishments
glass mortar
xd
past falcon
bros never played the sims fr
cinder relic
idk i just dont really get the like
The point is that its fun
wintry solar
Adr uptime will absolutely go down the drain and they will be stuck in energy hell and go "this spec sucks"
covert kestrel
The point is that its fun
you know whats fun? two chicks at the same time
torpid fiber
But my experience in a shitter guild (everyone was nice I don't dislike them, there were just some bad players but that was the point of the guild) is that you have like 5 good players, 10 mediocre players, and 5 really bad players
And e.g. halondrus heroic we just kept wiping to the dps check because our bad players were doing <50% of their sim dps
covert kestrel
Adr uptime will absolutely go down the drain and they will be stuck in energy he...
they already do that, just look at any reddit thread about outlaw
6000j knows what im talking bout
wintry solar
There's no way they're real people
torpid fiber
they already do that, just look at any reddit thread about outlaw
Yeah
harsh mural
chat. is havoc easy?
covert kestrel
!ban CB
harsh mural
wanted to start playing mine but i have no idea how aldrachi works
torpid fiber
I think it is a real issue with outlaw that it feels as bad as it does in solo content/for bad players
the solo content issue is imo larger
late swallow
!goon CB but don’t let him bust
harsh mural
my 560 demonic dh
frail veldt
chat. is havoc easy?
I've heard it's a lot harder now
torpid fiber
If you don't vanish in solo content the spec just feels so miserable but if you do vanish shit randomly resets
frail veldt
Than like dh in early DF
covert kestrel
I've heard it's a lot harder now
i thought it was easier cause you can play no mover in keys
final sluice
If you don't vanish in solo content the spec just feels so miserable but if you ...
usually stuff dies before u have to revanish from the initial subterfuge window 99% of the time thoguh
harsh mural
wait so does snapshotting Grand melee not exist anymore, just saw pin
final sluice
i thought it was easier cause you can play no mover in keys
its easyer to not stand in shit - its a bit harder to do good damage
frail veldt
i thought it was easier cause you can play no mover in keys
Sure im just comparing to pre rework dh
When it was 3 button
past falcon
wait so does snapshotting Grand melee not exist anymore, just saw pin
no cause bug fixed
covert kestrel
wait so does snapshotting Grand melee not exist anymore, just saw pin
it gone
covert kestrel
Sure im just comparing to pre rework dh
ya
haughty wigeon
fun rp stuff is probably the most legit answer ive heard so far
it was something casuals wanted for a long while
and garrisons was kinda like it
but it wasnt as cutomizable as p[eople wanted it
housing at thgis point is a staple in any rpgmmo
cause you can invite your friends and do storylines
and w/e
final sluice
I never cared housing but I'm fine with other people getting it - AFTER outlaw gets uncapped aoe
bright crane
what do u do with the housing
like im not saying its whack
im trying to understand it
final sluice
man they meet in the house
wintry solar
Customize it and show it off
late swallow
CFNM parties at my house guys
covert kestrel
what do u do with the housing
jork it in the corner just like daddy Realz
bright crane
so its p much its collecting and rp stuff?
wintry solar
Yes
past falcon
i think in general its also just a way to visualize your playtime over time - as u play and collect items or receive rewards and spend a few mins here and there and decorate, its just a fun lil thing. like xmogs. like in skyrim u could have the armories where you'd collect all ur shit from doing quests and could display em. its great for completionists, great for rp'ers, great for the casual andys who dont do much end game content
wintry solar
Until UHUH is reworked or removed, Housing>Outlaw
Did they say there will be armor stands?
That'd be sick
final sluice
can we just agree its nice to have - but there are bigger problems?
past falcon
well yeah
no ones saying its the #1 priority lol he was just asking what the point of it is
haughty wigeon
i think in general its also just a way to visualize your playtime over time - as...
thats also a solid reason for housing\
in swtor
i had a trophy room
and i liked it
final sluice
well if it comes out before killing spree gets a rework, I'm not saying its number 1 priority - I'm sayiung its to high priority
past falcon
we doom and gloom in here but the general playerbase are Not the people in this discord
haughty wigeon
every mythic ce gets a special trophy to display in housing
wintry solar
I don't even think KS is high priority tbh
cinder relic
can we just agree its nice to have - but there are bigger problems?
Like what
final sluice
Killing spree
cinder relic
You think that killing spree is a higher priority than housing?
final sluice
it shoud be
past falcon
every mythic ce gets a special trophy to display in housing
nutting rn
haughty wigeon
well if it comes out before killing spree gets a rework, I'm not saying its numb...
im sorry but housing has high prio than alot of stuff
cinder relic
You are delusional I fear
haughty wigeon
nutting rn
like mythic mounts
final sluice
but it shoud be
past falcon
perfect
final sluice
fixing ur shit shoud be number 1 prio allways
haughty wigeon
you get a 100% chance during current season
haughty wigeon
fixing ur shit shoud be number 1 prio allways
different teams for different stuff man
final sluice
prove me theres a rogue team
past falcon
????
final sluice
or dont talk bs
bright crane
theres no class teams period
final sluice
see
cinder relic
R u genuinely stupid or do you just pretend to be
haughty wigeon
or dont talk bs
there is a rogue/dh/druid team
there is various teams of devs that for specific groupus of classes
and then
theres other teams
final sluice
explains alot if we are on the same dudes doing druids man
haughty wigeon
shockign concept i know
where they work
on other things in the game
like housing
cinder relic
final sluice
omg dont take it so seriously
haughty wigeon
i mean
bright crane
lol buddy u came in here guns blazing
cinder relic
>Make a stupid comment
>Get calls out on it
> Dude I'm just trolling it's not that serious
haughty wigeon
you came here pistol whipping in a discord thats famous for people being like that unironically
final sluice
I never said it is - ur stawmaning me
final sluice
you came here pistol whipping in a discord thats famous for people being like th...
when other people are like that and this is normal than idk
haughty wigeon
when other people are like that and this is normal than idk
way to many people come to this discord specificly to make simliar comments to yours, forgive us for being somewhat quick to act
visual moat
outlaw is good for bandit now?
final sluice
Outlaw was good for bandit before tbh
wintry solar
way to many people come to this discord specificly to make simliar comments to y...
Don't forgive
You weak or something?
Double down
cinder relic
outlaw is good for bandit now?
Raid bosses cull corpses instantly
So this was only a M+ issue really
vapid sundial
vapid sundial
Ur all flat footed.
final sluice
way to many people come to this discord specificly to make simliar comments to y...
Man if you take words in the internet at face value we can aswell just not talk at all, cause thats woud be pointless. someone saying something like "prove me theres a rogue team - or dont talk bs" hes either stupid, or he obviously wants to just point out that "oh lol theres a rogue team?" in other words - it implies something you know. That Foreverguy for example now shows the patchnotes as if this is a prove theres a rogue team. I mean honestly, u paying for the game, u paying monthly, and we sit here having bugs for ages, like its good it got fixed - ofc its good it got fixed right - the problem is in IT TAKES SO LONG - so "wheres the stupid rogue team?" I said. Get my point? I mean if you honestly thought like "he dosnt know theres someone doing rogue at blizzard" why do u even answer? Thats total bs - we all play rogue daily do we?
wintry solar
"He's the guy with the crazy takes"
final sluice
u dont ahve to - just ignore it
vapid sundial
Was it worth it
wintry solar
They'll remember Kazmor's name
covert kestrel
Man if you take words in the internet at face value we can aswell just not talk ...
wintry solar
I read it
vapid sundial
And more so formatting
wintry solar
Unironically
vapid sundial
Was it worth
final sluice
Shoud I write it and 5 words per line like you to make it less anoying ? ;p
vapid sundial
Yes
haughty wigeon
Man if you take words in the internet at face value we can aswell just not talk ...
Man if you take words in the internet at face value we can aswell just not talk at all, cause thats woud be pointless. someone saying something like "prove me theres a rogue team - or dont talk bs" hes either stupid, or he obviously wants to just point out that "oh lol theres a rogue team?" in other words - it implies something you know. That Foreverguy for example now shows the patchnotes as if this is a prove theres a rogue team. I mean honestly, u paying for the game, u paying monthly, and we sit here having bugs for ages, like its good it got fixed - ofc its good it got fixed right - the problem is in IT TAKES SO LONG - so "wheres the stupid rogue team?" I said. Get my point? I mean if you honestly thought like "he dosnt know theres someone doing rogue at blizzard" why do u even answer? Thats total bs - we all play rogue daily do we?
vapid sundial
It'd be less compact and jumbled them
shut lichen
Man if you take words in the internet at face value we can aswell just not talk ...
Man if you take words in the internet at face value we can aswell just not talk at all, cause thats woud be pointless. someone saying something like "prove me theres a rogue team - or dont talk bs" hes either stupid, or he obviously wants to just point out that "oh lol theres a rogue team?" in other words - it implies something you know. That Foreverguy for example now shows the patchnotes as if this is a prove theres a rogue team. I mean honestly, u paying for the game, u paying monthly, and we sit here having bugs for ages, like its good it got fixed - ofc its good it got fixed right - the problem is in IT TAKES SO LONG - so "wheres the stupid rogue team?" I said. Get my point? I mean if you honestly thought like "he dosnt know theres someone doing rogue at blizzard" why do u even answer? Thats total bs - we all play rogue daily do we?
haughty wigeon
ohno
vapid sundial
And not word salad
wintry solar
Oh no
shut lichen
LOGIN
sullen narwhal
I gotta say, i love kir, but having to use sinister strike is a big issue, ambush itself feels way better
sullen narwhal
Even if ho is only 80%
shut lichen
New copy pasta
final sluice
It'd be less compact and jumbled them
yeah sorry at my time there was stuff called books, with alot of text in it - strange I know ;p
haughty wigeon
huh
sullen narwhal
It generates so many more combo points, it feels way better in any scenario, but especially stealth windows
wintry solar
Was it worth
Eh
cinder relic
Man if you take words in the internet at face value we can aswell just not talk ...
I aint readin that
haughty wigeon
a actual solid take from reunior
vapid sundial
yeah sorry at my time there was stuff called books, with alot of text in it - s...
Books also do this thing called paragraphs and Indenting
shut lichen
Perplexed even
final sluice
Books also do this thing called paragraphs and Indenting
not in such a short text usually - unless its for first graders tbh.
haughty wigeon
granted this can be fixed
vapid sundial
Untrue
shut lichen
Befuddled to be exact
haughty wigeon
by making SS have its old opp proc chance again
which would be better
its also sujective
cause ho vs kir memes
wintry solar
Kir weirds me out everytime I play it
shut lichen
HO vs KIR
covert kestrel
cause ho vs kir memes
DID SOMEONE SAY MEMES
shut lichen
Where my GSW enjoyers?
wintry solar
Sinister Strike in stealth feels like sacrilege
cinder relic
I think KS should have been fixed awhile ago
wintry solar
Omg meeee
covert kestrel
Reverse it
sorry ho will always be less cool
cinder relic
But also, thinking PLAYER HOUSING should be LOWER PRIO than KS ur on some bullshit
vapid sundial
Kir stinky.
mellow thicket
Player housing about to be lit!
shut lichen
I think KS should have been fixed awhile ago
KS should have been fixed when they first made the change from dmg to duration
vapid sundial
No one has said ks doesn't need a fix
runic gulch
yeah sorry at my time there was stuff called books, with alot of text in it - s...
I don’t come to the rogue discord to read books. I go to a library to read books lol
vapid sundial
However
You're delusional if you think player housing and class design is done by the same team, let alone the same department.
final sluice
I don’t come to the rogue discord to read books. I go to a library to read books...
I got the point that people in here have a problem with longer texts - its ok now
wintry solar
They intend on fatebound being better next season anyway
shut lichen
Even those two things in the same sentence should tell you it ain't it chief
covert kestrel
They intend on fatebound being better next season anyway
oh boy i cant wait to go back to flipping coins, such flavor, such animations, such rich class lore
final sluice
You're delusional if you think player housing and class design is done by the sa...
nobody said so - but if its done earlyer the ressources of the teams shoud be distributed differently - thats the whole point.
shut lichen
Housing =/= outlaw rogue
wintry solar
Well, I've been here for years and people complained about KS only a handful of times prior to Trickster being the best tree.
vapid sundial
I don't want an art asset / graphic designer working on my balance and bugs
wintry solar
4 or 5 convos at most
vapid sundial
They can stay where they're at.
covert kestrel
Wait so is outlaw viable in m+?
what keys are you running
final sluice
Wait so is outlaw viable in m+?
if it wasnt viable before to you then stay assa. imo
haughty wigeon
nobody said so - but if its done earlyer the ressources of the teams shoud be di...
specific resources are ment for specific things
you cant put art team and sound design to work on class stuff
vapid sundial
Well, I've been here for years and people complained about KS only a handful of ...
Are u on crack? Every single time ks has been taken we have complained about it.
storm drum
I mean i hit 2800 just dickin around as outlaw in DF but i been playing enhance just came back to rogue
haughty wigeon
like you cant make class devs work on art and sound stuff
shut lichen
Are u on crack? Every single time ks has been taken we have complained about it.
Not very often tbf
final sluice
I guess art guys have a brain too
gaunt phoenix
I mean i hit 2800 just dickin around as outlaw in DF but i been playing enhance ...
ye outlaw is fine
vapid sundial
We complained about it in SL when we had to take ks.
WE complained about it in 10.0 when we had to take it, even with the DR.
upbeat tundra
they just need to fix ks are we are so chillin
gaunt phoenix
think the impact of the dead targets bugfix is more than expected esp. if you use precise cuts
upbeat tundra
think the impact of the dead targets bugfix is more than expected esp. if you us...
it is DRAMATIC
shut lichen
Wasn't 10.0 KS just for like one fight?
wintry solar
Are u on crack? Every single time ks has been taken we have complained about it.
Exactly
storm drum
if it wasnt viable before to you then stay assa. imo
Outlaw felt so smooth in my dungeon earlier today
wintry solar
It's rarely taken
shut lichen
And it was terros and it was whatever tbh
final sluice
Outlaw felt so smooth in my dungeon earlier today
its like this for the whole season
cinder relic
KS was like half a percent more ST for awhile
Like before hero talents in DF
But it was just not worth it
gaunt phoenix
KS had very strong feedback in tww beta
storm drum
I mean assa does way more dmg on bosses and on big pulls but outlaw just feels good in m+
past falcon
Outlaw felt so smooth in my dungeon earlier today
same
final sluice
I mean assa does way more dmg on bosses and on big pulls but outlaw just feels g...
outlaw is better at bosses period - unless the fight only goes 1min
vapid sundial
What
upbeat tundra
i think they should do wox's suggestion from that forum post in the meantime while they do whatever they need to do with ks
rapid bough
so have they fixed any of the bugs yet or nah?
shut lichen
Yes
gaunt phoenix
so have they fixed any of the bugs yet or nah?
All of them brother
rapid bough
PERFECT
rapid bough
oh, you weren't being sarcastic
shut lichen
KS had very strong feedback in tww beta
It had strong feedback in 10.2 ptr as well
rapid bough
hell yeah
upbeat tundra
the last hurdle is ks
storm drum
outlaw is better at bosses period - unless the fight only goes 1min
KS gonna give me a siezure and then ima sue
vapid sundial
Again, just remove it.
Stop leaving this ability around for some Dev to think 'oh this looks cool', not knowing about the previous incident.
storm drum
wait how does outlaw do more boss dmg in m+???
past sky
i would love it if outlaw or rogues in general could get some cool/flashy visuals on their abilities
gaunt phoenix
sin has to lose st to take aoe
shut lichen
What was the other talent on the old talent tree where Blade rush and KS were on?
wintry solar
i would love it if outlaw or rogues in general could get some cool/flashy visual...
People keep wanting to delete buttons so I wouldn't bet on it
haughty wigeon
What was the other talent on the old talent tree where Blade rush and KS were on...
it was a bladeflurry talent
that sucked balls
past sky
well they could just add new visuals to old abilities
final sluice
wait how does outlaw do more boss dmg in m+???
we can almost go full raid talents for M+ - so we dont loose much vs. raid - while assa losses alot for going aoe
storm drum
I enjoy rogue not being flashy its kind of the lore
upbeat tundra
having a button like KS would be fine if if the ability itself wasnt so fucked
final sluice
didnt killing spree also give energy in dragonflight s1?
or nah u just used it to pool kinda
was like that
storm drum
Idk i remember KS in mop lol should would make you top raid meters
vapid sundial
bladerush atleast during that time
Lok and I have mentioned it a few times.
Just change BR to be a scaling finisher and make it do what KS does for trickster. Then remove KS
haughty wigeon
Lok and I have mentioned it a few times.
Just change BR to be a scaling finishe...
that is the most sensable option ya
wintry solar
No it's not
haughty wigeon
ive also suggested similiar
past sky
yeah going full disco wouldnt be great but sprinkle some cool shit around, make a few button presses pop
shut lichen
it was a bladeflurry talent
Oh yeah longer BF duration
cinder relic
so have they fixed any of the bugs yet or nah?
accurate pfp
haughty wigeon
killing spree is cool
but man
even if it was fixed to not teleport you everywhere
wintry solar
You use BR to get energy for more builders because builders cost more energy than spenders
final sluice
I'm allways saying just redo the killing spree animation like blade dance of havoc - so u can move while doing so and dont rly switch position (hitbox) - it just looks like it.
haughty wigeon
it taking that long to finish based on more combopoitns spent
final sluice
and KS woud be fine
haughty wigeon
kinda sucks for outlaw and how it plays
main warren
Rog is just an alt but I enjoy killing spree but it also sucks.
Would being immune to damage fix it for you?
past falcon
Rog is just an alt but I enjoy killing spree but it also sucks.
Would being imm...
yes but then it would be abused
cinder relic
Rog is just an alt but I enjoy killing spree but it also sucks.
Would being imm...
Bro if outlaw rogue had 10% uptime on a full immunity it'd be insanely broken
haughty wigeon
vapid sundial
You use BR to get energy for more builders because builders cost more energy tha...
Dawg, they'd obviously rework how it works, if not giving it enhanced energy regen + more dmg per Cp spent.
Idk why people think I'm saying to keep it the same way
That's so disingenous
runic gulch
Just change it to a finisher that accumulates all my declined M+ applications throughout the day and then releases them on use tbh
wintry solar
Because it's counter-intuitive
runic gulch
Would probably break the meters
late swallow
Wox already fixed KS
shut lichen
I just want to play with tornado trigger again
late swallow
Just push it to live
vapid sundial
How?
How is it counterintuitive to let a finisher help you have a smoother rotation
sullen narwhal
Just make it not randomly teleport you
vapid sundial
late swallow
Just make it not randomly teleport you
Unironically this
sullen narwhal
Coup pretty much does the same just with a lower channel
I don't get why they made ks like that
wintry solar
How?
How is it counterintuitive to let a finisher help you have a smoother rota...
Because it's used when you don't have energy
late swallow
sullen narwhal
It's fucking dumb though
wintry solar
Using a finisher for energy is dense wdym
haughty wigeon
I don't get why they made ks like that
nostalgia
it is
sadly
very much combats old fantasy
vapid sundial
Why does br need to work the same way it does now if they made it a finisher
Why couldn't they remove the energy part and do something else
haughty wigeon
and perhaps the specs only notable and recognizable ability since its introduction of wotlk
that being said
wintry solar
Why couldn't they remove the energy part and do something else
Then you made an entirely new ability
haughty wigeon
its crazy
how bladestorm was modernized
and ks was left like this
until df rework
where it was modernized
wintry solar
how bladestorm was modernized
Isn't it only for slayer?
vapid sundial
Then you made an entirely new ability
Finisher you can cast at 0 for movement if you need to,
But has the ability to scale with cp.
I like it personally
haughty wigeon
but stil lretains its flaws
late swallow
Just a finisher of the same ability
vapid sundial
haughty wigeon
and bladestorm also has alot of support
sullen narwhal
I think Ks was literally unusable in dawn
haughty wigeon
baseline warrior
late swallow
Can't change perfection
Me when my gf tells me to stop gaslighting and manipulating her
Normalize being toxic
haughty wigeon
like how you press your avartar, you bladestorm and vice versa
vapid sundial
Me when my gf tells me to stop gaslighting and manipulating her
Gaslight, streak, girlboss
sullen narwhal
Because it teleported you in the same place you casted it, which was a problem on the boat
shut lichen
Normalize being toxic
So based on god
haughty wigeon
granted bladestorm doesnt have the issues ks has
and warrior isnt the same type of dps as outlaw is
haughty wigeon
Because it teleported you in the same place you casted it, which was a problem o...
yes
funny interaction
i dont think killing spree can be saved in a away that lets it keeps it identity
yes making it not teleport you is cool
shut lichen
12.0 rework dw
haughty wigeon
but your still locked out of your rotation
depending on how much resourtce you used on it
shut lichen
Tbh I think midnight is unironically going to be hype
vapid sundial
12.0 rework dw
- outlaw rogue has been removed.
wintry solar
Outlaw telleport is the only visual flare it has left which is wild tbh
vapid sundial
I don't think anyone plays outlaw for flair
We play it bc we like the way it feels.
rotund steppe
How much dps increase do we think the changes today to BF will bring?
wintry solar
12.0
Grapple Hook in the class tree
vapid sundial
I personally don't Care if we do or don't have animations.
late swallow
How much dps increase do we think the changes today to BF will bring?
More than you think, less than you want
shut lichen
I am carried enough by ambush animation on Belf and velf models
It's just that clean
vapid sundial
I like the vulpera animations Tbh
shut lichen
vapid sundial
Dude the only good thing about their racial is
shut lichen
https://tenor.com/view/vulpera-world-of-warcraft-warcraft-gif-26162364
Got me bricked up fr fr
glass mortar
yea vulpera dps racial is tragic
wintry solar
shut lichen
Also why is it so high quality
vapid sundial
Is hilarious
glass mortar
its wy i went back worgen
vapid sundial
No tail
wintry solar
Dang too slow
glass mortar
also the darkflight buff
shut lichen
Damn I miss being a vulpera
shut lichen
But using bag of tricks ain't it
runic bough
LOGGING IN NOW
stuck patrol
https://tenor.com/view/rogue-vulpera-attack-warcraft-bnuy-gif-282464494485703206...
When the mouse in your house gets rabies and tries to kill you by attacking your toes
shut lichen
Unless I'm levelling then vulpera is so goated
covert kestrel
the only reason id consder a vulpera is cause i have a roulette wheel and wanna be flipping
wintry solar
But bag of dicks? Yessir
shut lichen
I just don't press it
It's my last resort heal
Last last last
Last last last
Resort
stuck patrol
It's my last resort heal
How much does it heal?
wintry solar
Just press it on CD when you're below like 90%
late swallow
Og human racial was goated
vapid sundial
I did throw it at enemies sometimes if they're too far
shut lichen
kinda crazy its just LfD racial but worse in every way
Used to scale with paladin mastery in pvp
Om
stuck patrol
The racial humans got in place of rep buff is actually such a huge letdown
shut lichen
How much does it heal?
Like barely 2%
stuck patrol
Like barely 2%
Jesus Christ
sullen narwhal
DB was excellent for sinister strike
shut lichen
The funniest thing is having a fire dmg resist as a racial
stuck patrol
shut lichen
Like what kind of coat this vulperas have?
vapid sundial
@royal hollow
stuck patrol
The funniest thing is having a fire dmg resist as a racial
It won't save them when I make Vulpera kabobs
late swallow
Kaboobs LMAO
shut lichen
Vulpera racial should just be 1% chance to kill an enemy with cuteness
stuck patrol
vapid sundial
Vulpera racial should just be 1% chance to kill an enemy with cuteness
Random chance to bite your enemy on hit.
chilly karma
on trickster build is shiv really worth it compared to another point somewhere else? is it just a spam off cooldown kind of thing
shut lichen
Random chance to bite your enemy on hit.
Give em rabies
stuck patrol
on trickster build is shiv really worth it compared to another point somewhere e...
Shiv would only be for deenrage
shut lichen
I like it
wintry solar
Shiv removes enrage
stuck patrol
Shiv doesn't do good damage as outlaw
chilly karma
Shiv would only be for deenrage
if id never really use it should i just explore putting it somewhere else for more dps
vapid sundial
Give em rabies
It'd actually be great for outlaw if it has decent ppm
I like small Models too
glass mortar
its a utility pickj
chilly karma
its in the recommended aoe trickster builds on wowhead but i just don't really like shiv
vapid sundial
Can't stand big
glass mortar
u can give it up for different utility
there is no more dps nodes u can take for that point
in the rogue tree
stuck patrol
if id never really use it should i just explore putting it somewhere else for mo...
Yup, not sure if there's anywhere else you can put it though, prolly on diff utility
wintry solar
Like a second shiv
shut lichen
Can't stand big
I would say the same if some transmog didn't look shit on small models
wintry solar
Shiv 2
chilly karma
Yup, not sure if there's anywhere else you can put it though, prolly on diff uti...
i was thinking of improved wound poison
wintry solar
Movement speed
vapid sundial
I would say the same if some transmog didn't look shit on small models
It's less that and more so their ears break some mog
wintry solar
Idr what its called
chilly karma
stuck patrol
i was thinking of improved wound poison
That's only if you're in war mode or if you'd ever use wound poison to reduce healing but typically it's not worth losing instant poison for damage
chilly karma
this one?
wintry solar
That
chilly karma
alright that makes sense ill do that
runic bough
would you say this means that the GSW uptime of this buff was held for 48% of the key and waiting to be used? We generally have it all the time so a lot of wasted procs. The lower the percent is better as not keeping them from being withheld.
chilly karma
i was recently trying the non keep it rolling build on mugzee but i honestly just can't do same dps as keep it rolling fatebound builds
stuck patrol
Wait, are people playing GSW as a meme now? Lol
vapid sundial
Some people like Gsw
covert kestrel
Wait, are people playing GSW as a meme now? Lol
no its just ryu
frank finch
no just ryu
covert kestrel
vapid sundial
Basically
stuck patrol
Lmao RIP
frank finch
how dare you
vapid sundial
runic bough
late swallow
Ryu post = ignore
low frequency behaviour
wintry solar
One buff away from gsw being viable
stuck patrol
People ignore me here all the time, I'll never ignore Ryu
vapid sundial
stuck patrol
I support Ryu
runic bough
Hello police Id like to report someone
late swallow
ryu is noble of heart and pure of spirit
runic bough
thats not very nice to say
shut lichen
ryu is noble of heart and pure of spirit
Oh no he's being taken out first
stuck patrol
I too sometimes miss the days of GSW
late swallow
no need to be malicious bro
stuck patrol
But then I remember crackshot exists
vapid sundial
No one's being malicious wym
wintry solar
Crackshot is overhyped
hollow temple
shut lichen
Fake news
late swallow
yeah it's the stronger build bro
shut lichen
Also fake news
late swallow
APL is optimized to give style points to KiR sims
shut lichen
Somnius straight up lying to the masses
late swallow
since it's the cooler spec
stuck patrol
Crackshot is overhyped
Brother I am a true UHUH blamer but I cannot agree to this anti crackshot rhetoric
vapid sundial
Somnius typing
runic bough
that would be so funny if I made a gsw build work and prove you all WRONG!!!!!
runic bough
but since we cant use gsw in between EVERY SINGLE bte thats just not possible right now
wintry solar
Brother I am a true UHUH blamer but I cannot agree to this anti crackshot rhetor...
DOOD RNG DURING SUBTERFUGE IS SO FUN DOOD I LOVE MAKE OR BREAK WINDOWS DOOD
vapid sundial
https://tenor.com/view/blocked-message-discord-gif-23992737
stuck patrol
DOOD RNG DURING SUBTERFUGE IS SO FUN DOOD I LOVE MAKE OR BREAK WINDOWS DOOD
Press crackshot better IDK what to tell you man
vapid sundial
shut lichen
Tbf old outlaw had like 0 thought to it
stuck patrol
I remember when outlaw was literally braindead in DF s1 and then blizzard made it so you had to have one extra brain cell to play it, which lead to this channel being flooded with fake outlaw enjoyers saying that blizzard ruined the "flow" of outlaw
wintry solar
Press crackshot better IDK what to tell you man
Crackshot isn't a button
sullen narwhal
Crack
thorny escarp
so is blade flurry suddenly cracked af now? someone post some juiced overalls so i can feel something
royal hollow
vulpera good
vapid sundial
U missed it
sullen narwhal
Gatekeeping is not just desirable, it's a requirement to keep normies from destroying things you care about
vapid sundial
F
shut lichen
I remember when outlaw was literally braindead in DF s1 and then blizzard made i...
Ah I forgot what they changed exactly
It was something with not giving full cps
But forgot what it was
wintry solar
Also the emphasis outlaw has on finishers is not very outlaw
stuck patrol
Ah I forgot what they changed exactly
Combo points gen from FTH Iirc
There might have been one more thing but I don't remember
shut lichen
Yeah I think that was it
glass mortar
just fth
shut lichen
You couldn't 1 button dispatch with fth
stuck patrol
Also the emphasis outlaw has on finishers is not very outlaw
Ur right. Cracks the monkey paw finger RTB NOW COSTS COMBO POINTS AGAIN
shut lichen
now you must use 2
wintry solar
WOOOOOO
glass mortar
used to be the case that regardless of BS, if u had a fth shot u could 1 builder finisher
sullen narwhal
Honestly, the df outlaw added 3 really cool talents, ho, kir and fth
Shame that db was removed though
It would help a lot right about now
wintry solar
I'm actually praying for CS downfall
sullen narwhal
Especially with Sinister
glass mortar
HO procrate was also higher back then
shut lichen
DB was only played on like s2 right?
glass mortar
so alot of HOs rotation was just builder > finisher on repeat forever
even when ur rolls werent great
wintry solar
I played it every season
shut lichen
so alot of HOs rotation was just builder > finisher on repeat forever
Most energy efficient outlaw
runic bough
stuck patrol
Honestly, the df outlaw added 3 really cool talents, ho, kir and fth
Thought that FTH was late sl for a moment, forgot it was a legendary
sullen narwhal
Audacity is also cool
stuck patrol
Sort of
sullen narwhal
Probably almost on par with the other ones i mentioned
FTH was a legendary in shadowlands, but it was different, basically worse
stuck patrol
I want audacity back tbh
glass mortar
it was just cosmetic damage wasnt it
the shots didnt give cp
it basically just buffed PS damage
shut lichen
I'm more sad we left with the greatness of Sl s3/4 tier set and have never gotten that level of cook since
sullen narwhal
It was a 40% chance on double strike, instead of just guaraanteed
wintry solar
FTH was a legendary in shadowlands, but it was different, basically worse
Legion
stuck patrol
it basically just buffed PS damage
No it gave a lil extra combo points too, but I think it was like 3 or 4
sullen narwhal
It was still the best legendary with the tier set
sullen narwhal
I think it was called blunderbussy
shut lichen
It was still the best legendary with the tier set
Wasn't it that or blunderbuss
shut lichen
Oh yeah gsw was a leggo
vapid sundial
Gsw sbs went hard
wintry solar
"We had this once"
points to something different
runic bough
THATS IT GUYS speccing into full HO now https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4iyaLppfUF5GAsMwaSTsYw
shut lichen
Gsw sbs went hard
Flag went so hard
hybrid crown
outlaw is meta now
stuck patrol
Flag went so hard
Flag was cool visually but it was pretty braindead
hybrid crown
this is great
runic bough
need to recraft neck without haste
wintry solar
Flag was cool visually but it was pretty braindead
That's outlaw
stuck patrol
outlaw is meta now
Damn that's some potent copium you got there, you sharing?
wintry solar
Efficient building/spending
vapid sundial
Meanwhile outlaw got the most useless covenant ability in our class tree
wintry solar
Peak outlaw
vapid sundial
shut lichen
Skull banner my beloved
tight kernel
Damn 5% BF nerf on tuesday is going to be wild
vapid sundial
I genuinely wonder who the fuck decided 'Yeah, let's give outlaw sepsis'
vapid sundial
Like what
wintry solar
We're not even doing obscene aoe compared to other specs
wintry solar
I genuinely wonder who the fuck decided 'Yeah, let's give outlaw sepsis'
I tried so hard to make it work but I never could
I really liked the ability too
shut lichen
No we don't
Tbh I meant to write had
glass mortar
I genuinely wonder who the fuck decided 'Yeah, let's give outlaw sepsis'
All 3 spec trees had it
runic bough
sepsis was cool
glass mortar
🤷 it was a thing they were trying to do
shut lichen
Sepsis on sin wasn't that bad
proven ocean
@gaunt phoenix is nimble flurry fixed?
proven ocean
if nimble flurry gets fixed it might be some outlaw angle
vapid sundial
All 3 spec trees had it
If anything outlaw should have gotten kyrian ability in class tree,
I didn't like it but.
Why do the other 2 get a unique while we get railed
stuck patrol
glass mortar
Yes I agree
stuck patrol
Found the gif
wintry solar
Unbuffed, no conduits, and no unity leggo. Ofc it would be bad blizzard
shut lichen
That is true too
wintry solar
Foresight is such a rare trait these days.
hollow temple
<@921608341048930304> is nimble flurry fixed?
what was wrong with nf
vapid sundial
Wasn't attributing bf or something like that
proven ocean
what was wrong with nf
hollow temple
thats for sub?
covert kestrel
It had the same problems as bf
hollow temple
ye
vapid sundial
Fazed didn't work with bf
covert kestrel
Ross bout to cum
hollow temple
they fixed Fazed for outlaw
cinder relic
if nimble flurry gets fixed it might be some outlaw angle
everything has been fixed
covert kestrel
Back on sub
shut lichen
Imagine they brought back venthyr boomie
hollow temple
Every single bug in that article has been fixed
eleem was saying different
frank finch
o.o
wintry solar
Imagine they brought back venthyr boomie
Until I get something equally as fun as venthyr outlaw, I'll never stop complaining.
pliant wind
from ~7M dps at 5 dummies to ~7.4M
wintry solar
Ever
pliant wind
fixed class
shut lichen
I think outlaw used every single covenant ability in sl for a season no?
wintry solar
imagine not exping law kyrian dust
Oh I did
And I immediately felt better than everyone else when I dropped it
bright crane
I loved sbs
ornate heathBOT
Pre-key fuckery
RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.- DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not
AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points. - After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
- Before entering the first pack
BF into 
Stealth. - Open on pack with AR into
BtE.
gaunt phoenix
<@921608341048930304> is nimble flurry fixed?
i wasnt sure at first, it's in the notes, didnt test
uneven topaz
how big are bug fixes percent wise for HO builds?
sullen narwhal
People are losing their minds on the forums about this auto rotation thing, i literally don't give a fuck
hollow temple
how big are bug fixes percent wise for HO builds?
no way of knowing a total realistically
sullen narwhal
I think it's a better option than significantly simplifying rotations that people already like, how many fucking forums posts are there about " x class has too many buttons, or x class to hard please change" Even though it plays great, like enhance as an example, this should at least give the option to not give a damn about rotational complexity as much
runic bough
how big are bug fixes percent wise for HO builds?
based on damage meters, they have jumped from 3-6mil to over 12mil.
huge
you could say we were only doing 50% of our aoe damage.
or worse
since bf wouldnt hit any targets at times in the reports.
wintry solar
you could say we were only doing 50% of our aoe damage.
That's 100%
runic bough
correct
wintry solar
50% would be like 9
storm drum
where can i find certified talent builds other than just copying woxtoxics m+ build???
hollow temple
where can i find certified talent builds other than just copying woxtoxics m+ bu...
#outlaw-faq or wowhead etc
upbeat tundra
explain how we can go through the entire first area of cinderbrew and the unholy does this
how is this even possible
wait nvm hes frost dk
ignore/
bright crane
Fdk had their moment on the sun in s1. Back to the shadow realm with fdk
raven condor
wait nvm hes frost dk
almost the melee damage comp
sullen narwhal
I think outlaw really doesn't do enough damage to justify the target cap
sullen narwhal
I think outlaw kind stinky
normal matrix
So Outlaw does now Double aoe dmg?
sullen wyvern
Im pretty sure Frost dk is able to pump much higher than that
gaunt phoenix
double? no
storm drum
no outlaw does proper aoe dmg
sullen wyvern
He said frost dk above
normal matrix
double? no
So how much gain is it now?
sullen narwhal
Frost dk has better st, unholy does well in st if you spec for it, but then you lose a lot of aoe
cinder relic
So how much gain is it now?
Nearly 4x
sullen narwhal
Unholy is probably mostly good in mdi scenarios, where people are just pulling everything and then some
But in regular runs, iv'e always performed better with frost
gaunt phoenix
So how much gain is it now?
the gain from the dead targets bugfix is difficult to know
it is noticeable
normal matrix
the gain from the dead targets bugfix is difficult to know
Ok but not significant more than before?
haughty wigeon
I think it's a better option than significantly simplifying rotations that peopl...
we dont listen to those
we shouldnt make specs and classes more like bm and ret to make a small population happy
some classes and specs are allowed to have a fuller rotation and a proper skill cieling
sullen narwhal
Blizz does though
gaunt phoenix
Ok but not significant more than before?
i think it's fairly significant in keys
sullen narwhal
If they get enough complaints about a spec they might just change it, even if it plays better than basically ever
haughty wigeon
any more simplification then its just another 3 button spec
cinder relic
What
haughty wigeon
thats if those complaints are valid and viable
errant field
1 button spec at patch .7 lol
haughty wigeon
ER was pruned out
errant field
1 button full rotation
cinder relic
Outlaw has a lot of room to become more simple before it becomes bm
sullen narwhal
Im not sure outlaw is a good example though, i was thinking about enhance more
haughty wigeon
anything more is not simple enough
haughty wigeon
i dont think enhance is complex either
its just another one of those things
that became fotm
and the majority couldnt handle
sullen narwhal
The good thing about enhance is that there are essentially 2 specs in one, one is with fewer buttons, yet they never stfu about "how many buttons enhance has"
haughty wigeon
cause their to used to stuff like ret
wintry solar
Theyre too
haughty wigeon
outlaw has room to improve sure
sullen narwhal
Stormbringer is legit very few buttons, it's fun, quite easy, and performs just as well as totem
wintry solar
What do they complain about
haughty wigeon
Stormbringer is legit very few buttons, it's fun, quite easy, and performs just ...
and yet a majority of players who fotmed into the spec still thought stormbringer was to complexed
haughty wigeon
What do they complain about
vanish
sullen narwhal
Essentially, muh buttons
wintry solar
Tbf vanish gameplay has had some negative impacts on outlaw
raven condor
Vanish feels more like an identity problem tbh. Why do we interact with stealth more than sub lmao
as pirates
sullen narwhal
This is the reason why i think auto rotation is a better option than the others
cinder relic
Because rogue = stealth
raven condor
upbeat tundra
the auto rotation thing isnt useful for like real players
dunno why anyone is saying this lol
errant field
I just miss battle flow. give me red zone
sullen narwhal
Yea it's just not
haughty wigeon
Tbf vanish gameplay has had some negative impacts on outlaw
personally i dont think it did
haughty wigeon
This is the reason why i think auto rotation is a better option than the others
nah
upbeat tundra
no like they are literally adding a gccd penalty thing to it
haughty wigeon
its gonna be only for people who dont care about the spec
upbeat tundra
you will do tank dam if ur sitting there using it
haughty wigeon
and a gcd negative
sullen narwhal
Rotation at a certain point become almost second nature, if you constantly have to think about it, you're not a good player
haughty wigeon
fucks with outlaw more than other specs
upbeat tundra
bro its not meant for u its meant for moms and dads who have 3 hours a week to play and do lfr
covert kestrel
Vanish feels more like an identity problem tbh. Why do we interact with stealth ...
Like it's just a "damage window" button, I think it's neat when devs utilize class skills on different ways for different classes. Yeah it's annoying in solo content sometimes but like, you're still a rogue, you still should be stealthing
upbeat tundra
if ur in this discord its not for u
sullen narwhal
So the point about lessening the mental burden is only really true for players who are not good
But for top players, they are never gonna use that option
haughty wigeon
bro its not meant for u its meant for moms and dads who have 3 hours a week to p...
i know, i said that already
cinder relic
I don't even understand how this is a topic
haughty wigeon
its a strange topic
cinder relic
It's meant for noobs, it's not meant for u, who cares
wintry solar
personally i dont think it did
Wdym
sullen narwhal
Well, the forums can't shut up about it
cinder relic
This ain't the forums
torpid fiber
forums are full of bad people who don't want the even worse people to catch up to them
haughty wigeon
Well, the forums can't shut up about it
forums cant shut up about alkot of things
sullen narwhal
Talking about how it's bad because at the core of it it's basically "back in my days, i had to EARN MY DPS"
haughty wigeon
ignore it
sullen narwhal
But i just don't care personally.
unborn basin
its a win win .. people will do more damage, more bosses will die .. more loot
cinder relic
what are the most important group buffs for us in order
Warrior then wft
sullen narwhal
Compared to the alternatives it's better
cinder relic
Then drood
upbeat tundra
not monk?
raven condor
Like it's just a "damage window" button, I think it's neat when devs utilize cla...
To an extent, it's more that we vanish so frequently, moreso than the "subterfuge" spec.
It's definitely great in how it works with the spec, it just feels like an identity schism for outlaw. Not saying we shouldn't use it, just odd that the specialisation is built to be so heavily reliant on it y'know
haughty wigeon
Talking about how it's bad because at the core of it it's basically "back in my ...
back the og topic tho
sullen narwhal
I don't even remember
wintry solar
To an extent, it's more that we vanish **so frequently**, moreso than the "subte...
If the "damage window" weren't so make or break and energy weren't nerfed, it would ease their pain by a lot
haughty wigeon
outlaw has alot of things to improve on in terms of bridging the brackets of placers more closely
but frankly
they never complain about the actual issues of the spec
outlaw simplification isnt it
nor is rtb being removed
nor is vanish being removed
which is the only things the forums scream about when they talk about outlaw
unborn basin
idk I did kinda like shadow dance 🤷♂️
sullen narwhal
The main personal issue i have with outlaw is honestly the low proc rate on double slash
35% is just not enough
errant field
with 4 set rotb isnt even as terrible
sullen narwhal
Ambush helps a lot though
haughty wigeon
with 4 set rotb isnt even as terrible
4set and new build basically kills that complaint
cause we roll rtb basically on cd
wintry solar
People that don't like rtb don't talent into LD, SoH, or CTO
sullen narwhal
I guess if you slap 3 times as much cp gen on an ability, you're gonna feel the difference
haughty wigeon
which negates all "rng kills me dps due to rtb" cope
ss having a low proc chance it used to have
is a actual issue point
it used to be like
45%
or something i dont remember
sullen narwhal
Honestly, with kir, cto etc etc.. RTB is not an issue at all
haughty wigeon
ho being 80% has no point either
cinder relic
The spec also used to have 45% ar uptime
The spec also used to have like 30% rtb uptime
wintry solar
Ar use to not be as powerful for law as well