well you flurry for like 55% of your damage in keys
and now that is 5% higher
so like 2.75% overall
#outlaw
gaunt phoenix
runic bough
HAVING A WORKING SPEC is not a buff. We are just finally going to be working as intended.
vivid vessel
less than 5% lol
daring oxide
less than 5% lol
Better than nothing!
wide nexus
So how does this effect deft maneuvers, is it still hard to justify taking?
runic bough
I like the cp from deft
gaunt phoenix
its back to normal
hollow temple
what do you expect here sir?
daring oxide
So how does this effect deft maneuvers, is it still hard to justify taking?
No deft is very worth now
gaunt phoenix
deft good, for kir
daring oxide
what do you expect here sir?
A big fat yes
hollow temple
too bad
vivid vessel
when wowhead article about ks
runic bough
Pvp
glass mortar
haste doesnt increase how often u get to cast ks
just how fast it is
why wuld u stack haste for it
covert kestrel
when wowhead article about ks
didnt you hear guy, that will NEVER EVER HAPPEN AGAIN
prisma sapphire
keep KS cause it's interesting but just make it non-tele
glass mortar
its just saving u a tiny amount of time
daring oxide
Well looking at the recent blitz of stealth fixes I’m positive, hopeful and excited for a stealth killing spree teleport removal hotfix tomorrow @hollow temple
gaunt phoenix
I dont think ks needs an article to be known 
raven condor
didnt you hear guy, that will NEVER EVER HAPPEN AGAIN
daring oxide
I dont think ks needs an article to be known <:garf:1320173032743899157>
I think so, we had action conducted within a few days to resolve via article, I believe if we make a killing spree and lucky coin article, blizzard will see them fixed in a similar manner as to these recent ones!
Bring light to the issue
daring oxide
Let all of Azeroth see
upbeat tundra
guys im geekin
raven condor
I dont think ks needs an article to be known <:garf:1320173032743899157>
Working as intended, it's skill expression. Just press it at the right time and never at the wrong time 🤡
wide nexus
KS isnt a bug its just an old spell that was cool when it was released, but has bad design for current wow. I don't think an article would make them change it
runic bough
I can't go straight home fuck I need a car wash first
It feels like Christmas for Outlaws
daring oxide
KS isnt a bug its just an old spell that was cool when it was released, but has ...
An article is a sure fire way of spurring action my friend we have proved it
gaunt phoenix
I think so, we had action conducted within a few days to resolve via article, I ...
Sorry but i dont think articles are happening again in this manner
for reasons guy can explain
fathom bramble
I just hit 9m at the start of 1st boss top
final sluice
clearly fixed - 10 Priory
covert kestrel
It feels like Christmas for Outlaws
no this is like our parents just remembering to bring us dinner. christmas is when ks is reworked/removed
gaunt phoenix
damn
covert kestrel
Sorry but i dont think articles are happening again in this manner
for reasons ...
we need more player housing articles
daring oxide
Sorry but i dont think articles are happening again in this manner
for reasons ...
Did guy get into trouble by blizzard lords
gaunt phoenix
Did guy get into trouble by blizzard lords
no lol
daring oxide
I just hit 9m at the start of 1st boss top
Gg with pc and fazed working and more
vivid vessel
I just hit 9m at the start of 1st boss top
i will never play ho !
stop trying to convince me
past falcon
just commit enough acts of terrorism with ks
glass mortar
I think so, we had action conducted within a few days to resolve via article, I ...
bad design should not be conflated with bugs either
this was a rather long lasting, large bug, that was also very unique and difficult to find
that kinda thing might warrent an article, its unlikely many classes have those tho
what ur talking about is just design we disagree with
u chat about that when talking about spec strength in articles, u dont post a unique article about it
fathom bramble
ks is also bugged though
glass mortar
well the ks stagger bug is
wide nexus
that kinda thing might warrent an article, its unlikely many classes have those ...
If any class was going to have one I would've guessed rogue tbf
glass mortar
annoying but idk if its on that level
daring oxide
KS is bugged brooo
glass mortar
because the ks bug only matters because of ks awful design
daring oxide
It throw me to death big bug ☠️
glass mortar
if u fix the design u fix the bug double wammy
daring oxide
What about an article that is aimed at discussing the problems and controversies of having killing spree as an ability in competitive content?
fathom bramble
well the ks stagger bug is
also occasionally fails to cast for no reason and prevents interacting with the spellqueuewindow
daring oxide
Similar to how WoW cast interview today was aimed at disarming weak auras in the near future
glass mortar
also occasionally fails to cast for no reason and prevents interacting with the ...
i feel like those are design things tho, atl east for the spellqueue window
for the failing to cast yea
gaunt phoenix
What about an article that is aimed at discussing the problems and controversies...
trust me, the state of killing spree is known lol
glass mortar
its not like a real gcd idk its like a channel without a channel bar
and uncancellable
thats probably why it doesnt show a bar
daring oxide
trust me, the state of killing spree is known lol
I do trust you 100% I know, I’m just late night half asleep yapping riding on the community excitement that we got some nice bug fixes!
glass mortar
kspree needs a patch
glass mortar
u dont fix something that major with a hotfix
daring oxide
why does blizz have my mood by the balls
My feeling too lmao
glass mortar
im just very dissapointed that patch wasnt 11.1.5
guys really gunna leave us like htis for a whole season
daring oxide
u dont fix something that major with a hotfix
Woxtoxic did with a macro m8
glass mortar
kspree is way more offensive then outlaw tuning
hollow temple
If any class was going to have one I would've guessed rogue tbf
there's been plenty of class bug articles, even lately. like DH had one within the last week
gaunt phoenix
a KS article would just fuel people into being more mad that it isnt fixed tomorrow
glass mortar
Woxtoxic did with a macro m8
its cute we think that
and i agree wox fix is nice
but this thing they cannot trust 100% right
hollow temple
warlock had one in the past week too
glass mortar
u cant just delete a line of spelldata and assume its good to go everywhere
prisma sapphire
a KS article would just fuel people into being more mad that it isnt fixed tomor...
iunno since it's already been known for so long, we're kind of used to it
glass mortar
might have broken it on other fights/mechanics interactions etc
prisma sapphire
the BF bug was a shocker
vivid vessel
Ok weran
glass mortar
would still involve a lot of internal testing prob
prisma sapphire
and i was so incensed after the coup bug fix on top of that
vivid vessel
It's just removing the teleport
prisma sapphire
i was enraged
vivid vessel
And don't act like they test their patches
daring oxide
might have broken it on other fights/mechanics interactions etc
Only way to find out is to let us test on live as we do every patch so far 😁
vivid vessel
Just look at the state of the game after every patch
glass mortar
i agree but i dont think they are doing that on purpose
daring oxide
Ok Zac said for me
glass mortar
they make things that dont work and dont test it but they think it works
vivid vessel
i agree but i dont think they are doing that on purpose
?
daring oxide
a KS article would just fuel people into being more mad that it isnt fixed tomor...
Yes very true
vivid vessel
I legit don't think they test as much as you think they do
glass mortar
they dont i just said that
runic bough
If something is literally broken on a patch launch. That means it was not tested at all.
daring oxide
Maybe wet
vivid vessel
How often do we have new talents that are barely functional release to live
This would never go through in any other game
glass mortar
i mean i agree thats what i said
fathom bramble
i feel like those are design things tho, atl east for the spellqueue window
I guess you could argue the spellqueue thing isn't really a bug, but it's definitely a thing that should be fixed
glass mortar
their testing has been really low this expac, i just dont think theyd be willing to take an existing ability, delete a line of data on it, and ship it live with no internal testing
look how long the BF fix took, and im even happy about that
it was fast for an issue this annoying
they were probably working on it literally from monday till now to fix it
sullen wyvern
Fg 14 first boss we are so back
torpid fiber
Yeah I'm really surprised the BF fix was so fast
glass mortar
and thats just 1 line of spelldata no?
maybe it was more then that. probably was
probably had to make something to replace what that line was doing
gaunt phoenix
Fg 14 first boss we are so back
stop it we will get nerfed
glass mortar
but u cant know how they do this internally
daring oxide
look how long the BF fix took, and im even happy about that
This BF bug has been plaguing me since DF and people thought I was hallucinating every time I yapped about my suspicions that BF wasn’t hitting targets!!!
quaint wharf
compensation nerf 
glass mortar
This BF bug has been plaguing me since DF and people thought I was hallucinating...
i mean me and zac have also yapped in here about it
i literally had a tinfoil all of s1 about ara ara
because of that first pull
daring oxide
Ye
vivid vessel
daring oxide
City of threads as well
glass mortar
its just ud look at the logs and read thru 5000 lines of bf working and not go all the way to where mobs started to die
torpid fiber
Honestly I'm just glad it's fixed
torpid fiber
Can't wait to see y'all posting big dps
raven condor
Working perfectly; weakauras will be disabled in a week
vivid vessel
Real
daring oxide
Reason why I noticed so easily @glass mortar , is because I use an addon that shows damage numbers above nameplate, and sometimes in big pulls I only ever saw damage numbers appear above my primary target and it stopped appearing above secondary targets, and that’s when I knew my BF stopped hitting other stuff that were alive
And all this time I thought it was due to elevation
But no
It was due to dead bodies
Lmao
gilded sinew
Outlaw is quite strong right now
blissful zinc
My duo finally convinced me to play unholy how do I tell him thats not happening anymore
hollow temple
you guys realize they said they aren't taking away any addon functionality for a long ass time right
upbeat tundra
WE ARE SO BACK
daring oxide
you guys realize they said they aren't taking away any addon functionality for a...
Dam i was hoping they were gonna delete boss mods, weak auras and hekili in 11.1.7!
upbeat tundra
IM BLASTIN
hollow temple
Dam i was hoping they were gonna delete boss mods, weak auras and hekili in 11.1...
i mean......deleting hekili would be fine and good yep
daring oxide
Fg 14 first boss we are so back
Wow giga blast, HO SC Trickster PC?!
upbeat tundra
i mean......deleting hekili would be fine and good yep
just let the moms and dads use it and vibe man
upbeat tundra
NO
vivid vessel
Lol
quaint wharf
uh
vivid vessel
We litteraly are doing the same damage as beforen
And we were legit the worse spec in the game in semi high keys
wintry solar
You think blizzard cares?
vivid vessel
glass mortar
guy when outlaw discord is being dangerously happy for a moment
daring oxide
i mean......deleting hekili would be fine and good yep
They used outlaw as an example of spec with too much complexity and said they didn’t want us trying to track obscure things like if we had number of buffs we do this kinda thing, so that could be a hint they are currently reworking outlaw to make it less reliant on computational stuff like weak auras?!
vivid vessel
Outlaw is never getting nerfed ever
glass mortar
tight egret
5% bf nerf on reset
Hard capped at 3 targets incoming.
gilded sinew
Playing kir precise cuts right now. Blasting so hard
prisma sapphire
i'm just so
sullen wyvern
Wow giga blast, HO SC Trickster PC?!
kIR 1FTH
prisma sapphire
anxious now that the damage will be so good
upbeat tundra
Outlaw is never getting nerfed ever
remember when they nerfed us s1 before anyone even had tier set
prisma sapphire
that we will get a damage nerf
cinder relic
They used outlaw as an example of spec with too much complexity and said they di...
It's only a hint if you want to read into things to an insane degree
daring oxide
5% bf nerf on reset
Pls no
long barn
Ok you guys are making me wanna log in now and test it
vivid vessel
Imagine outlaw getting nerfed when it's probably like
prisma sapphire
i will feel fucking pissed and powerless once again if they nerf us
cinder relic
Literally bottom 3 specs in the entire game
vivid vessel
wintry solar
Has Ryu been on lately
runic bough
Outlaw is never getting nerfed ever
Don't test blizzard they are the most nerf game pushers ever
wintry solar
I got that CoD timing
vivid vessel
We literally have 2 rogue specs better than outlaw
daring oxide
It's only a hint if you want to read into things to an insane degree
I suppose but if Ion is willing to use that as an example he probably already agreed it’s too complex even for himself to perform on it and would think it’s inaccessible with blizzards current native UI
raven condor
Not even top 2 rogue spec
Precisely why they'll nerf us, lmao
daring oxide
And probably would rather want to design the spec so it doesn’t need addons
gilded sinew
Guys no one is playing outlaw who cares
quaint wharf
10% bleed dmg buff for sin on reset
wintry solar
Can't have outlaw top 3 rogue spec
raven condor
We're gonna get a rework im 11.2 and it'll brick the spec 200%
cinder relic
I suppose but if Ion is willing to use that as an example he probably already ag...
Well what ion said specifically was "How is somebody suppose to execute Outlaw on base UI when theres so many conditionals. We don't like that. We either need to provide that information better, simplfy things, or both"
glass mortar
our last rework was the best season laws had in like 4 years so
idk why ud feel that
cinder relic
Which the CD manager is "displaying the information better"
wintry solar
They'll fix it and bring a whole slew of new problems, let's be real.
glass mortar
i feel like a majority reworked specs come out pretty damn good now a day for at least a season
daring oxide
Well what ion said specifically was "How is somebody suppose to execute Outlaw o...
Aye, I assumed what he meant by simplify things would be simplifying outlaw itself 😁
vivid vessel
Which the CD manager is "displaying the information better"
Debatable
cinder relic
WEll not right now, but the idea is there
valid tartan
damn that was alot to read
daring oxide
Well tbh I pray they can make native UI deliver what we need from weak auras
valid tartan
I like the part about ryu
that guys like 75% of the entertainment in this channel
grats on hoc guy
vivid vessel
WEll not right now, but the idea is there
Ye
cinder relic
grats on hoc guy
wintry solar
Hoc tuah
cinder relic
I've also said for a long time that outlaw needs a reform patch
glass mortar
if they let us make custom combat procs like the default blizzard ones
daring oxide
If blizzard makes cd manager function better to be a good weak auras replacement for class skills and buffs
I’d be super happy
daring oxide
I've also said for a long time that outlaw needs a reform patch
Agreed, after seeing the interview I’m inclined to think it’s coming in 11.1.7
The rise of the Arathi Outlaw
wintry solar
I've also said for a long time that outlaw needs a reform patch
What does that mean
daring oxide
We will learn about the ancient arathi outlaw rogues and will adopt their ways in a new rework for outlaw rogues
runic bough
Am I agreeing with Guy for once?
valid tartan
they are just trying to cook a little bit too much
cinder relic
The spec used to be fundamentals, and now it's like, nonsense
cinder relic
Too many do x on tuesdays at midnight
proven ocean
@vivid vessel is there a way to remove those mobs from plater?
daring oxide
I love crackshot and KIR though
olive flax
spec needs a reset imho
Im 100 % on that train, it's way too bloated
proven ocean
<@352916297262301194> is there a way to remove those mobs from plater?
anyone knows
leaden folio
today victory for the outlaw otp
daring oxide
But fatebound and lucky coin is a pile of bulshit though
leaden folio
lets drink
past sky
i really enjoy outlaw but i do think it has too much going on
runic bough
Well
vivid vessel
Too many do x on tuesdays at midnight
Meh that's not even true
glass mortar
i mean we have a ton of tiny minmaxes worth piss dps
wintry solar
spec needs a reset imho
Ah yeah. I agree. I think I mentioned that myself a few times as well as a couple others.
glass mortar
as HO u can just ignore like the whole advanced section
its pretty simple now a day
covert kestrel
i really enjoy outlaw but i do think it has too much going on
we need more spinning plates
make 12 RtB buffs
vivid vessel
We roll on cd, we vanish on cd, we ks on cd, ye you bte only in stealth sure i guess
daring oxide
i mean we have a ton of tiny minmaxes worth piss dps
This is kinda fun ngl though
runic bough
Outlaw isn't too much going on, it's just fixing the bugs and tuning it above tank damages.
vivid vessel
The most advanced things are like ps rules
valid tartan
tank dmg? must not have seen a zac stream
vivid vessel
But then again that's just cp stuffs
valid tartan
bro is gapping everyone
vivid vessel
Important imo
covert kestrel
tank dmg? must not have seen a zac stream
well thats different
valid tartan
how so? he put in the time and does good dmg
you guys just wanna log on and be topping
next wedge
lets go!!!! bug fixes 🙂
vivid vessel
I don't think current outlaw has nebulous rules like it could have had in the past
vivid vessel
Maybe I'm missing something @cinder relic ?
runic bough
Well we just got a few major big fixes, so we could be tuned really well right now.
olive flax
I think the fundamental design of outlaw is the issue. Like 90% uptime on adr is an insane requirement for thr class to be playable
covert kestrel
you guys just wanna log on and be topping
well considering zac is number 1 at saying there needs to be changes makes me thinks you're just saying things
daring oxide
Ruining
vivid vessel
The tricksters stuffs maybe are unintuitive, but they overcomplicated the way all the buffs/de uffs interact, and it could be simpler + it's also all mostly minmaxes anyway
Not like actual real Gameplay
vivid vessel
The core look imo is very straight forward to understand rn and quite intuitive
daring oxide
Actually make it 7 hours
runic bough
!mute Vai per request gn gn young outlaw enjoyer
valid tartan
zac just hates ks and being target capped which I think are legitimate concerns
daring oxide
Incase I wake up earlier
surreal flower
The spec used to be fundamentals, and now it's like, nonsense
season 1 df went crazy
wintry solar
I think the fundamental design of outlaw is the issue. Like 90% uptime on adr i...
I think it's this on top of adr being as powerful to us as it is.
valid tartan
KS is shit and being target capped... just feels bad
vivid vessel
Build with builders, finish with ks, dispatch and bte in stealth,
Vanish on cd, adr on cd, roll till 5
Use procs when procs
Idk
next wedge
zac just hates ks and being target capped which I think are legitimate concerns
i think this is every outlaw players opinion lol
vivid vessel
Is outlaw really that complicated on a base level rn
valid tartan
not at all
next wedge
i dont think so
raven condor
Build with builders, finish with ks, dispatch and bte in stealth,
Vanish on cd, ...
in theory it's convoluted but in practice it's really straightforward LMAO
next wedge
it's a lot to learn going into the spec
timber knoll
literally just make ks not troll, make it like demolish e ven w/e then outlaw is goateed
vivid vessel
But like as a base level I don't think it's complicated to understand
raven condor
Like it's not hard to grasp once you've spent more than a few minutes at the dummy
runic bough
Outlaw is just high apm, same buttons as everyone else.
vivid vessel
Its hard to play cause it's fast tho but that's different
past falcon
if ks wasnt a brain cell tax id have little complaints
vivid vessel
There is no weird rules and shit
past falcon
it takes time to learn muscle memory but its straightforward af
gaunt phoenix
!mute @daring oxide 7h on request
wintry solar
Sinister Strike in stealth is super weird
long barn
With the bug fixes will KIR beat HO In M+ now?
next wedge
what feels bad is how high apm it is and then we do tank dmg vs a warlock who pressed 3 buttons
vivid vessel
in theory it's convoluted but in practice it's really straightforward LMAO
Idk, how is it convoluted tho
civic void
There is no weird rules and shit
Not necessarily weird but the whole rtb container thingy is not what I would call straighforward ngl
vivid vessel
Except that's irrelevant
next wedge
I think HO will still be better bc of the trickster fix no?
fathom bramble
Too many do x on tuesdays at midnight
would you still think this if every rtb container 'feature' was fixed
vivid vessel
Bro you play ho you just roll till 5 buff
You never ever interact with rtb container
hollow temple
<@352916297262301194> is there a way to remove those mobs from plater?
pretty sure there is a way, i'm just not familiar with it
tight kernel
Bro you play ho you just roll till 5 buff
Zac $5 you play ho and learn that is the way
vivid vessel
Are we talking about super minmaxes are just the spec
civic void
Yeah and once this tier set is gone you are back to wondering how to use that weirdass thing
vivid vessel
The actual spec
sullen wyvern
Did KIR get a better bug fix outcome or improvement than HO?
since KiR plays deft I would say so
glass mortar
would you still think this if every rtb container 'feature' was fixed
im here for it
remove all this nonsense
sullen wyvern
Sorry I was finishing the key
raven condor
Idk, how is it convoluted tho
I mean purely in text format, there's lots of "rules"
never ks/cdg in sub windows
don't ss if you've got coup
ks>cdg>bte
the worst parts are the rtb expectations with the containers but wa's entirely remove that from the mental gcd
vivid vessel
Yeah and once this tier set is gone you are back to wondering how to use that we...
No you aren't
glass mortar
make it so CtO buffs dont go away when u press Rtb
timid idol
whats being discussed here, does blizzard think outlaw will get better if they make their shitty cd manager help with buffs and shit or what
raven condor
but playing it is v streamline
vivid vessel
Loaded up? Roll
timid idol
do they belive its complicated or what
vivid vessel
Xd
sullen wyvern
This was my overall dmg before first boss, we are so barack
fathom bramble
I think blizzards goal with the cooldown manager and such is good
raven condor
consider removing the cap
noooo my "niche" that never actually has a use case!!
sullen wyvern
zac I need to see you doing keys
prisma sapphire
This was my overall dmg before first boss, we are so barack
mead?
fathom bramble
if a WA is actually needed to get a piece of information then they need to add that info to the client
or change the mechanic
wintry solar
I wouldn't consider outlaw complicated, moreso finicky.
fathom bramble
nearly all of our stuff can already be easily accessed in the client with default settings though
timid idol
noooo my "niche" that never actually has a use case!!
imma be dead fucking straight, after legion they went on this whole crusade of specs needing to have their niches and whatnot
vivid vessel
zac I need to see you doing keys
Tomorrow all day
timid idol
i always thought outlaws niche was m+
timid idol
outlaw back then was not good in raid, it was not good in pvp
wintry solar
It's a rogue spec, it was good in pvp
sullen wyvern
AIght, ill catch you when I wake upo
timid idol
so i always thought outlaw was m+, and i thought it was a little overtuned that bfa had 3 outlaws every mdi but ultimately fair since it was a m+ spec mostly, just needed some tuning
vivid vessel
If I am doing this damage you probably do at least 2+9m
With reaid buffs sure
raven condor
imma be dead fucking straight, after legion they went on this whole crusade of s...
no way blizzard would crusade and then fuck up a spec lmao
timid idol
now it has hard cap and it doesnt even do m+ right
wintry solar
It also countered druid in legion
fathom bramble
It's a rogue spec, it was good in pvp
depends on what era you are talking about
vivid vessel
I mean I don't think my damage increased that much
vivid vessel
It's mostly that I could giga low roll before
wintry solar
depends on what era you are talking about
Tbc onward
timid idol
the niche of being horrible?
fathom bramble
outlaw has defintiely had some pvp season where we were hilariously worthless compared to sin
vivid vessel
When unlucky with dead targets
sullen wyvern
I honesly didnt cater that group, Is igned up to a bunch of keys and they invited me to that one
But you are right, raid buffs did increase my dmg there quite a bitlot
sullen wyvern
But you can feel the damage increase regardless, specially since I wasnt playing PC 1fth before
timid idol
It's a rogue spec, it was good in pvp
maybe im wrong but
lime linden
we are saved!
vivid vessel
Thats uh
timid idol
isnt pvp rogue 90% sub, 10% sin and 0% outlaw
long barn
If I am doing this damage you probably do at least 2+9m
HO?
timid idol
like this spec does negative damage to players
vivid vessel
That's also cause you play with specs that do less damage prolly in these cases
frail veldt
isnt pvp rogue 90% sub, 10% sin and 0% outlaw
No outlaw has been strong in pvp the past few xpacs
Just very unpopular
timid idol
i don't play literally every season but i do not remember a single one where outlaw was even remotely playable in pvp
frail veldt
But outlaw has been in awc more than sub lately
sullen wyvern
Outlaw was pvp strong in Shadowlands s3 and s4
timid idol
No outlaw has been strong in pvp the past few xpacs
fr? how
wintry solar
isnt pvp rogue 90% sub, 10% sin and 0% outlaw
Participation doesn't mean a spec is bad. But I think more play assa now. You simply can't have the toolkit we have and also be bad in pvp.
sullen wyvern
that was the strongest outlaw has ever been in pvp
frail veldt
fr? how
Wdym how
Literally this current season it was played
Over sub
And assa
In awc
wintry solar
Reel
sullen wyvern
strong x2 outlaw + healer AWC match up strong
frail veldt
Same with last season
timid idol
maybe i have ptsd from back in bfa when was the last time i tried outlaw in pvp but it just did nothing
back then bte stunned
frail veldt
S4 of df was assa
timid idol
so it was somewhat useful in pvp at least
frail veldt
S3 was outlaw again
hollow temple
isnt pvp rogue 90% sub, 10% sin and 0% outlaw
no? lol
wintry solar
so it was somewhat useful in pvp at least
Also had gouge, disarm, ranged blind, etc
frail veldt
Yeah you're super off base honestly
wintry solar
Was good then too
frail veldt
Outlaw was also INSANE in shadow lands pvp
Though arguably sub was better for s1 and 2
wintry solar
Outlaw sl pvp
shut lichen
I thought outlaw is usually good in pvp
wintry solar
My beloved
frail veldt
Outlaw with shadow dust legendary was unreal in s3
wintry solar
It is
timid idol
either way pvp can suck my nuts
wintry solar
Now we're back to a hard-core CC bot
wintry solar
You lose crackshot
wintry solar
No, you can choose to not use it.
timid idol
wintry solar
Remember?
midnight granite
what is the % inc
timid idol
thats a funny kingsbane fix lmao
shut lichen
Kingsbane no parry
hollow temple
what is the % inc
no one can answer that
covert kestrel
what is the % inc
69%
shut lichen
HOLY
midnight granite
nice
timid idol
what is the % inc
one outlawillion precent
vivid vessel
They are starting to realize parry shouldn't exist
shut lichen
Defo not
wintry solar
Dreadblades not getting it's own line in a patch note when it was removed is so disrespectful
shut lichen
It's more like ur cds should just never be parried
wintry solar
i miss dreadblades <:Despairge:1020127527718637588>
Uhmm no you don't, it would be super oh pee rn
Uhm erm
wintry solar
i miss legion and bfa <:Despairge:1020127527718637588>
No you dont
runic bough
Guys
wintry solar
And gals
runic bough
And gals
timid idol
Uhmm no you don't, it would be super oh pee rn
yea
thats druid and mage
every xpac
and nobody cares
unlucky
shut lichen
DB was super whatever ngl
prisma sapphire
you fucking assholes kept us down for too long
fathom bramble
not really related to the fixes but 2.7M on xav feels pretty nice
runic bough
Today is a good day. They fixed the bugs exactly mentioned in the article.
fathom bramble
just don't get sent down 👍
runic bough
That was fast.
shut lichen
not really related to the fixes but 2.7M on xav feels pretty nice
I thought u were saying xavius and I got confused
timid idol
yea honestly fixes are sweet it's more than i expected for rogue
runic bough
We need to find another article writer since guy is no longer participating in bug articles.
timid idol
just don't get sent down 👍
do u not usually finish duels pretty fast since people are less likely to have cds compared to otl
fathom bramble
getting sent down hurts a lot just from the downtime
I usually win duels since I have a gun and they have magic
timid idol
ig yea downtime is real bad
wintry solar
Are pvp modifiers enabled during the duel?
runic bough
I did one last night didn't get sent down and it was lovely
frail veldt
Are pvp modifiers enabled during the duel?
Yes
timid idol
Are pvp modifiers enabled during the duel?
thats acc a good question lol
frail veldt
Wdym dang
frail veldt
Why is that insane rofl
timid idol
yea its insane
frail veldt
It's pvp.....
wintry solar
It's a dungeon
runic bough
It should go by pve rules
wintry solar
Yeah
timid idol
it kinda makes sense why ret oneshots people in duel on that boss
wintry solar
Oh okay
frail veldt
Hahahahahahaha
wintry solar
What a rollercoaster
runic bough
So ret is the only spec with nuke?
frail veldt
Wtf is nuke
timid idol
so ur telling me ret could nuke people even harder if pvp modifiers were enabled?
keep wake of ashes for the pvp part
5mil nuke
wintry solar
Probably, they die by my blade too often to tell.
shut lichen
All fun and games till you select some pvp talent to cheese the duel if it was ever the case
wintry solar
I absolutely did that in sl
shut lichen
Like smokebomb om
runic bough
I'm going to start popping evasion in the duel
hollow temple
Are pvp modifiers enabled during the duel?
no
runic bough
Its not used for the boss
wintry solar
Keep reading
fathom bramble
these 2 idiots are just in the gorechop room the entire kill
formerly eating our pc value
wintry solar
Look at those losers
hollow temple
Keep reading
damn i pulled a mewo!!!
delicate seal
I usually win duels since I have a gun and they have magic
never bring magic to a gun fight
hollow temple
wintry solar
Gottemmm
runic bough
I c I c
runic bough
Have faith until our meters get out there
prisma sapphire
link pugs outlaw channel in rogue discord
runic bough
Our meters looking juicy
wintry solar
Dropping cto for gsw
wintry solar
Huh???
runic bough
But u need it on ho
wintry solar
How do you skip cto on kir
wintry solar
I see
runic bough
Node layout restricted
wintry solar
Yeah
drowsy thicket
hi kir or ho for best damage ?
wintry solar
Next time someone says to buff outlaw, I'm buffing gsw back to 300%
wintry solar
Blizzard is adding a rotation suggestion yes
vapid sundial
raven condor
so is the rotation assist a meme or
from lord hazzardikostas himself
runic bough
Time to clockout
covert kestrel
hi kir or ho for best damage ?
kir wins in aoe and if you have the haste and play it better
vapid sundial
from lord hazzardikostas himself
Yeah, I wasnt sure if this was a late april fools prank, you know blizzard!
runic bough
Oh shit oh shit can't wait to get home
haughty wigeon
Bad cause blizzard doesn’t have a solid idea about their own specs rotation without tcer help
gaunt phoenix
1fth is fucking hard jesus
haughty wigeon
So their version of hekili is gonna be worse
vapid sundial
Bad cause blizzard doesn’t have a solid idea about their own specs rotation with...
Wym they will obviously make a simc import for it!
frail veldt
1fth is fucking hard jesus
Dude right?
haughty wigeon
Ultimately it’s not for us
frail veldt
I just can't with it
vapid sundial
I know who it's for.
frail veldt
My brain doesn't like it
vapid sundial
It's for people learning a spec
haughty wigeon
We should be worried about blizzard removing addons in general
frail veldt
It's not even that much different
haughty wigeon
When they feel like their ingame addons are good enough
gaunt phoenix
its the trickster stuff
haughty wigeon
Aka it will never be good enough
gaunt phoenix
constantly watching the free procs
vapid sundial
Aka it will never be good enough
It may be, depending on if they let people customize it
frail veldt
On top of rtb rules for KiR
It's the 2nd rtb after a KiR that always makes my brain go wonky
haughty wigeon
It may be, depending on if they let people customize it
Blizzard ui still has a long way to go to copy weak auras
frail veldt
When I have like such a mix of red and yellow buffs
runic bough
If 1fh is too hard for you guys just remove ace at this point
fathom bramble
Next time someone says to buff outlaw, I'm buffing gsw back to 300%
Your next cast of Pistol shot hits 300% more times
runic bough
vapid sundial
I like gsw
covert kestrel
It's the 2nd rtb after a KiR that always makes my brain go wonky
i still feel wrong when i reach for RtB the second time...
vapid sundial
jokes on you
haughty wigeon
Make gsw into execute
wintry solar
Real gunslinger vibes
haughty wigeon
Your pistol shot does 500% more damage
wintry solar
No
runic bough
Gsw could be an execute
vapid sundial
rise up
haughty wigeon
And 500% more when boss is at 30%
wintry solar
Yes
runic bough
Gsw could do 500% dmg when boss is below 25% hp
wintry solar
Atp just buff gsw back to 300%
runic bough
Mmmm
fathom bramble
give outlaw an execute so we have some kind of useful damage profile
like unironically
gaunt phoenix
what a glorious day to be outlaw
haughty wigeon
Should have execute
fathom bramble
idk what form it should be, but it would be very cool
wintry solar
Outlaw or useful dmg profile. Pick one.
haughty wigeon
Anywho
fathom bramble
what a glorious day to be outlaw
doing more damage in top than I've ever done
vapid sundial
give outlaw an execute so we have some kind of useful damage profile
I just liked on queen when people started to get the timing down for the ads and warriors were going 'bro stop eating all of my damage!!!'
haughty wigeon
Is outlaw good yet?
fathom bramble
and now that I know it exists I'm kind of noticing just how often we are fighting on corpses
runic bough
what a glorious day to be outlaw
I'm on my way home me next to try
gaunt phoenix
and now that I know it exists I'm kind of noticing just how often we are fightin...
right
frail veldt
Can't wait
gaunt phoenix
it was prolly more impactful than we think
wintry solar
My work week just started and my new cpu was doa
frail veldt
I think ho PC still out sims KiR 1pt fth right?
But in reality KiR might win in big pull routes?
timber knoll
guys we are so fuckin back man
wintry solar
The fact Ho PC can technically drop ace is crazy to me
timber knoll
1 fth kir pc + gs doing giga bigga overall
wintry solar
It's so against what blizz is doing for outlaw
latent oak
solo have u tested and confirmed its working now
timber knoll
i feel like ho gs + pc and lose cto is pretty good too
vivid vessel
kir 1fth slaps but its so hard
You on the 1 fth train ?
Maybe I try again then
Why is pc costing something bro
wintry solar
You jumped 1 fth train?
upbeat tundra
KIR 1fth IS BLASTING IM BLASTING LOGIN LOGIN LOGIN
wintry solar
Car wash ain't going anywhere anyway
frail veldt
I'm pretty sure it's better
I don't think it is lol
It's a couple percent worse last time I checked
upbeat tundra
YA
wintry solar
Wdym? Dropping ace is def worse than dropping cto
covert kestrel
oh fuck what are the 1fth rules again pistol shot only above 7cp? blade flurry in single target??? reroll 3 times after kir//??//
IM PANKICKING
upbeat tundra
UR MISSING OUT
frank finch
are the fixes actually noticable
haughty wigeon
im also noticing
frank finch
upbeat tundra
im literally not even doing tank damage i look like a real dps
fathom bramble
just watch how often your fighting on corpses
fathom bramble
this thing was hurting us a lot more than I thought
runic bough
4-7mil dmg increase in aoe
fathom bramble
and all the time
haughty wigeon
holy shit
vapid sundial
just watch how often your fighting on corpses
isnt that fixed now
vapid sundial
or are you just saying as a , notice how often u were losing dps
covert kestrel
isnt that fixed now
just saying to notice it as in how bad it was
fathom bramble
it's fixed, but look at how often you are fighting on corpses
upbeat tundra
its most noticeable in the huge first pulls
fathom bramble
everytime you are it;s a gain compared to before
covert kestrel
Outlaw still not even top 15 key spec
time for a new article
hollow portal
4-7mil dmg increase in aoe
x2
frank finch
what is this
upbeat tundra
thats fine bro i just want to vibe and this spec is so not a vibe right now
or wasnt rather
just need to not have ks be how it is
and im hard hard chillin
cinder relic
what is this
deft cast damage
ember goblet
so is outlaw the go again bois?!?
wintry solar
Erm no
frank finch
oh ok
wintry solar
I'm still declining yall
frail veldt
so is outlaw the go again bois?!?
Nah lol but it will feel a lot less bad
Hard to estimate how much of a gain this all was
frail veldt
Maybe 5ish percent in a dungeon
haughty wigeon
that soundsl ike aids
frail veldt
Way more consistent
haughty wigeon
but it def feels way less bad
frank finch
pc prolly slaps now
fathom bramble
I think the gm fix alone is 5%
frail veldt
No more pulls where you think you're blasting but you do piss damage
haughty wigeon
in big pulls
ember goblet
outlaw>assass
fathom bramble
like it's 0-7% in theory depending on how you were casting BF before
just from the gm snapshot bug
quaint heart
Happy for you outlaw rogues
wintry solar
Did this change anything for the sims or is that somewhat automated?
fathom bramble
I think the fazed fix will have to be added to sims manually
quaint heart
This change does t effect target cap comps though right
fathom bramble
but the other fixes should work(I think) on an update without extra work
fathom bramble
fazed now correctly increasing BF damage taken if fazed is on the mob
quaint heart
What was wrong with fazed
fathom bramble
so you get aoe from KS applying it to all nearby enemies
frail veldt
1pt KS on opener first pack optimal?
Any world?
Like if KS off cd and no AOE faze applied wonder if it's worth it for subterfuge lol
glass mortar
1pt KS on opener first pack optimal?
why
also why can the brez consumable backfire in m+
blizzard
this is silly
frail veldt
Oh really?
frail veldt
I thought it applied to all bf targets
glass mortar
every target it hits directly it will fazed
no
bf is bf damage
not kspree damage
glass mortar
no, in aoe it teleports around the whole pack
frail veldt
Id you don't have bladeflurry up
pliant wind
pog
frail veldt
Kspree hits your main target only
pliant wind
official now
frail veldt
Someone's gonna have to show a video cuz if I kspree on a boss with adds it only teleports on the boss
Not the adds
Like on first boss dfc
It follows the boss
runic bough
.that's normal mewo
frank finch
yea we know
runic bough
Ks is single target that bf works with
frail veldt
It's just a single target ability that teleports around one target
So how does it pick who to fazed
I thought it just fazeds everything in bfury
@gaunt phoenix help
frank finch
alright next wowhead article we need fazed smart tareting
glass mortar
looks like u might be right it might just be all nearby targets thats waaaay stronger
well it applied to 3 of the dummies
not the 4th hmm
novel pier
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
wintry solar
Leaving nothing to chances
frank finch
wait it applies to every mob
tender wedge
cursed and based
frank finch
wat
frail veldt
not the 4th hmm
Try it at 1cp
glass mortar
thats what i did
frail veldt
Oh nice
glass mortar
twice it applied to 4 of the dummies not the 5th
im trying to figure out if its just the range of the tp
frail veldt
twice it applied to 4 of the dummies not the 5th
Yeah range prob
Cuz the teleport rng
glass mortar
cause it wouldnt make sense if it wasnt 2 of them or all of them
frail veldt
Might move you out of bfury range
glass mortar
yea i know
frail veldt
So if you move it might miss
glass mortar
but
the dummies are not spread
how the fuk is kspree throwing me out of bf range
bf range is like 10 yards
frank finch
my ks applied to all 5
covert kestrel
I would consider 8 "like 10"
frank finch
but i was really close
frail veldt
Yeah I think that's just the range rng
frail veldt
So I bet you faze more than 8 targets in a dungeon
frank finch
let me try from maz range
frail veldt
Cuz it applies it to 8 nearby targets each hit
So you prob faze the entire fucking pack
When you kspree
frank finch
nah i did it from max range all 5 got fazed
glass mortar
@vivid vessel this bug
was actually
50%? 60%? dps in brewery
i swear
i just did a 12 brewery
glass mortar
night and fucking day
craaaazy how much more damage i did in first room
9-12m dps on every pull of the room
covert kestrel
1fth??
covert kestrel
BOOO
frail veldt
Ho SC PC blasts honestly
past falcon
idk how much is placebo but im way less miserable LOL
proven ocean
im free from my chains
free me from my chains
frank finch
what about ho with deft tho
glass mortar
doesnt even sim as a dps boost why wuld i bother
hollow temple
free me from my chains
Not even one +20 yet? Smdh
past falcon
free me from my chains
OUCH
proven ocean
Not even one +20 yet? Smdh
IDK MAN
proven ocean
the only 20 we can time is ML
hollow temple
outlaw is pumpinnn now
haughty moat
with turbo boost ofc
proven ocean
19 is basically timed in my eyes
we just are playing with pugs most of the time
so its legit impossible to time ml 19
dark 19 is ez too
idk about dark 20 too hard
3rd boss hits like a cock
hollow temple
like a cock
past falcon
like what kind of cock
frail veldt
So what's updated in the sim
proven ocean
also why is the train bleeding in that gif 
small crater
Good, can you share me a good guide to learn rogue outlaw
hollow temple
So what's updated in the sim
Whatever is live should be updated but if anything requires apl prolly not idk
proven ocean
Good, can you share me a good guide to learn rogue outlaw
100k gold
best guide in the universe
want?
its hidden
small crater
I have 2k
gaunt phoenix
<@921608341048930304> help
ks applies fazed to everything hit by its bf
gaunt phoenix
i think
proven ocean
ks applies fazed to everything hit by its bf
yea ofc
ks and secret technique behave the same way
apply faze on hit instantly
and 2 free faze's afterwards
gaunt phoenix
well ks is single target so its not exactly clear it spreads it through bf
gaunt phoenix
ye ye
frail veldt
ks applies fazed to everything hit by its bf
Yeah they tested thats what I thought
proven ocean
im not being sarcastic btw
because fazed would be cringe if it was applied to 1 mob
frail veldt
I think they only did it cuz sec tech applies AOE
proven ocean
useless kinda
past falcon
the nerf is getting declined from keys
covert kestrel
best guide in the universe
aww @gaunt phoenix hes being so nice to you
gaunt phoenix
sullen wyvern
We shouldn't be this happy because they decided to do their job
we are paying 15$ a month for this game
cinder relic
?
sullen wyvern
the outlaw bugfixes
sullen wyvern
nah I am glad they did it, is just taking this long shouldnt be normal
proven ocean
OMG WE GOT GOOD CHANGES IM GONNA BE MAD CUZ I PAID 15$ SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH CUH
brother
wintry solar
We're no longer as big a liability, we should be nerfed
covert kestrel
Guy when someone says something bad about blizz
proven ocean
kingsbane no longer parries