but thats what u just described
#outlaw
covert kestrel
nah ww is mastery boiz
glass mortar
but u said nobody should
fathom bramble
that's my argument against shit like SS chance or RTB buffs on our mastery
is that no one should have one
and no one has one
glass mortar
sure
frail veldt
I mean at that point
glass mortar
but then whats wrong with WW mastery
covert kestrel
oh really?
CoC is mastery>haste, SP is haste>mastery but still pretty even
quaint wharf
werent they haste literally last season
haste is still big i believe
glass mortar
if WW mastery didnt exist, WW would play differently
covert kestrel
CoC took over so mastery is the new flava
glass mortar
the mastery basically locks in their whole rotational style
regardless of mastery % sure
fathom bramble
why even have it
because they need to have more than 3 stats in the game and mastery is a potentially flavorful way to do that
glass mortar
but nobody else in the game that i can think of would play entirely differently
if u deleted their mastery
maybe ele shaman or something
teal wing
the mastery basically locks in their whole rotational style
in sl you ignored this and went crit vers
frail veldt
because they need to have more than 3 stats in the game and mastery is a potenti...
I think mastery as vers without the dr is super boring and a waste of a stat
imo
but its a safe route to just make it say " do X% more damage" I guess
with a mask of flavor on top
runic bough
Outlaw Rogue will now only have critical chance and versatility as usable secondary stats. Unable to equip items and gear that are not crit and vers.
wintry solar
Mastery scales crit chance
fathom bramble
I think mastery as vers without the dr is super boring and a waste of a stat
I mean at the end of the day every dps spec works this way
and every mastery other than ours that use to be unique was reworked for good reason
covert kestrel
***Outlaw Rogue will now only have critical chance and versatility as usable sec...
bring back s3 df
frail veldt
"Do X% more damage iwth melee attacks and do X% more fire damage on all pistol/gun attacks"
glass mortar
mastery: duelist. your melee attacks have a 30% chance to strike again at X% effectiveness (scaling with mastery rating). Your gun attacks deal x% increased crit damage and reduce damage taken by x%
frail veldt
I mean at the end of the day every dps spec works this way
yeah and I think its a waste lol
quaint wharf
"Do X% more damage iwth melee attacks and do X% more fire damage on all pistol/g...
oooooo
quaint wharf
Fire dmg could be cool
frail veldt
I literally just wrote "do X% more damage"
but with flavor
I guess its just that easy to make people happy
frail veldt
jfc
glass mortar
thats 99.99% of masteries in the game
glass mortar
vers reflavored to a spec
brisk peak
!Fuu
wintry solar
A good mastery is a boring mastery
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
frail veldt
I hate it
covert kestrel
"Do X% more damage iwth melee attacks and do X% more fire damage on all pistol/g...
During ADR, your finishers are x% stronger. SKILL CHECK
quaint wharf
ill take anything over fucking oh dmg
covert kestrel
now get rid of RP
glass mortar
idk what u guys were yapping about with ret mastery earlier and it being more impactful for better players
covert kestrel
downtime
glass mortar
u realize their entire kit is holy damage now right
covert kestrel
not the Rtb buff
glass mortar
its just vers
teal wing
stop talking about this shit idea and keep spamming uncap bf just in case they actually read here
glass mortar
everyones mastery is just vers
frail veldt
idk what u guys were yapping about with ret mastery earlier and it being more im...
yeah thats nonsense
but loktark was confused with proportiona
wintry solar
Oh but when i said it the other day, all I got was "isn't that just fury warr?"
fathom bramble
more impactful for better players compared to our mastery
frail veldt
cuz 10% of 3 mil is more than 10% of 1 mil
glass mortar
yes sure
frail veldt
well our mastery is inversely proportional
frail veldt
our mastery is less value the better you are
most masteries are equal relative value regardless of skill
glass mortar
less relative value
frail veldt
soemthing like "Do X% more damage in adr" would be MORE value the better you are
fathom bramble
x% more damage during AR is a decent one
but also kind of just vers with a fancy hat on
teal wing
uncap bf
frail veldt
but also kind of just vers with a fancy hat on
no its literally not lol
it is explicitly increased relative value as skill increases
vers is EQUAL relative value regardless of skill
runic bough
Mastery now has a xx% chance for bte to strike again. Same concept as sinister strike striking again
Imagine ace procs and double bte going off
Thoughts?
frail veldt
and main gauche is LESS relative value as skill goes up
fathom bramble
I would still call that vers with a fancy hat on
glass mortar
our current mastery is worse then vers with a lame hat on it
about 50% worse infact id say
its just flavor idk
fathom bramble
our mastery doesn't scale borrowed power or tiersets like every other mastery in the game
glass mortar
u want a mastery rework, make a flavorful vers for us
and then have them tune it to be good
quaint wharf
just use in game hekili and put the fries in the bag bro
frail veldt
I guess flavorful vers is better than what we currently have but I would like a rewarding mastery
fathom bramble
I mean rewarding in that sense is fine
haughty wigeon
just use in game hekili and put the fries in the bag bro
quaint wharf
devoker mastery lul
frail veldt
since outlaw as a whole has a very steep reward for gameplay quality loop
fathom bramble
payoff for good play that you should be doing anyway
glass mortar
outlaws already one massive feedback loop
i dont know if we need more rewards for doing good play
trying to teach someone thaty the reason their damage is low is not because of any 1 thing
and its just the 50 tiny mistakes they made over a fight
because every mistake snowballs into less AR less energy less procs less cdr
now we wanna throw a fancy mastery into the mix
idk
doesnt feel necessary rn
bright crane
What about for naughty play
craggy barn
mastery:
- increase finisher damage with axes by x%
- increase builder damage with maces by y%
- increase damage with swords by (x+y)/2 %
- increase crit chance with daggers by z%
- can use all abilities with dagger in main hand
glass mortar
maybe if they simplified law a bit
bright crane
Can we get rewards for that??
lime lake
new people dont play outlaw anyway might as well go all in
craggy barn
lime lake
tulip jewel
halve gcd to make it a bit more fast paced
quaint wharf
new people dont play outlaw anyway might as well go all in
im new and i play outlaw
lime lake
dont lie to me timmy
glass mortar
x% more damage during AR would be cute
midnight granite
Can't wait to play the game with only my mouse
glass mortar
so would old sword mastery
fathom bramble
any mastery that gives damage scaling to your abilities in a somewhat universal way without changing your rotation is vers with a fancy hat on
teal wing
mastery:
- increase finisher damage with axes by x%
- increase builder damage wi...
go play minecraft
fathom bramble
and I would like to reiterate that all masteries should be like this
tulip jewel
vers cosplays
sullen wyvern
make mastery that RTB gives you 'super rolls' 
lofty pike
"Versatility is now x% more effective" - this is blizzards style i guess
craggy barn
mastery: increase the effectiveness of positive personal buffs by x%
fathom bramble
I get that it can feel like a waste or be uninteresting, but the degree to which you would have to babysit a mastery that doesn't fall into those categories as I have defined them is insane
quaint wharf
make mastery that RTB gives you 'super rolls' <:LeTroll:996382682009313340>
one bugged roll and this discord will go up in flames
fathom bramble
and it just results in a mastery being terrible everytime
frail veldt
I get that it can feel like a waste or be uninteresting, but the degree to which...
gotta set the bar low for blizz ig
sullen wyvern
mastery increases killing spree duration
quaint wharf
mastery increases killing spree duration
dont speak this into existence please
frail veldt
"your attacks and abilities have a chance to cast killing spree at 10cp"
fathom bramble
something like finisher damage, damage during AR, damage while stealthed are all fine
tulip jewel
just go all in and increase time in spree to like 80%
fathom bramble
just not some weird mechanical thing or flat damage(like MG)
surreal flower
Sub and sin both effectively having finisher damage for mastery but outlaw gets MG is criminal
quaint wharf
damage increased with speed, throw sprint into the rotation 
sullen wyvern
guys stop cooking please
frail veldt
Sub and sin both effectively having finisher damage for mastery but outlaw gets ...
assa just has "do X% more damage" lol
sullen wyvern
we dont know if we have a rogue dev in here
frail veldt
bleed and poison
tulip jewel
nah add a talent point that lets us continue our regular rotation during spree BUT we still tp around and cant control our char
frail veldt
is their entire kit
teal wing
inrease bf cap by count = (m% * 0,38)^2
fathom bramble
"your finishers have an x% chance to deal damage as though consuming an additional combo point"
surreal flower
is their entire kit
Envenom: the spec ๐ฆ
fathom bramble
(this is secretly finisher % damage in disquise)
frail veldt
well in pvp it gets abused cuz garrote is your top damage
quaint wharf
nah add a talent point that lets us continue our regular rotation during spree B...
this would unironically be so nice for kicking during ks
tulip jewel
how about something really intuitive like mastery = auto attack damage
glass mortar
yessss take me back to those wod days
quaint wharf
too unique imo
glass mortar
when rogue dps was 50% white hits
tulip jewel
lmaooooo
glass mortar
this is peak gameplay
covert kestrel
Every time you cast killing spree, you have a X% chance of being put in the gunner seat of an AC-130 and rain death from above for 10s seconds
glass mortar
yeeeeeeeeeeees
fathom bramble
how about something really intuitive like mastery = auto attack damage
considering the ratio of MG procs from AAs vs. spells it's already over halfway to this
glass mortar
its better then it was
remember when like 2 spells in our whole kit could even proc mastery
because it was bugged
for 15 years
fathom bramble
when rogue dps was 50% white hits
when your damage breakdown in mass aoe was Blade flurry - Instant poison - Attack as the top 3
glass mortar
that shit was alllllllll auto damage
frail veldt
when your damage breakdown in mass aoe was Blade flurry - Instant poison - Attac...
instant poison is like my 3rd highest sometimes
nocap
fathom bramble
or multistrike being better in aoe because it could trigger extra instant poisons
now that was peak gameplay
glass mortar
????
sullen wyvern
what
frail veldt
not even playing KiR
where there would be more poisons from deft
playing KiR lowkey mastery goes hard in aoe
nocap ongod fr fr
fathom bramble
goes hard meaning still below the other 3 stats
glass mortar
its not like, half a secondary
frail veldt
its still not good
in aoe I think its better than crit
fathom bramble
I'm not sure it's fair to say any of our stats are real
frail veldt
actually actually
fathom bramble
we literally have a worse vers than most classes
glass mortar
crit isnt real either
glass mortar
crit is variance reduction
fathom bramble
and people say vers isn't a real stat for them
frail veldt
crit is literally DO X% MORE DAMAGE SOMETIMES
glass mortar
our spec is so fake man
sullen wyvern
what else are you gonna use when you already hit haste cap
frail veldt
yall fucking wild
sullen wyvern
you go crit vers
tulip jewel
mastery = versatility effectiveness increased by X%
frail veldt
you go crit vers
no you go vers vers
sullen wyvern
how
still matrix
"Hello ChatGPT, Iam playing outlaw rogue, this is not a meta spec. I am not getting invited to m+keys. Please can you craft me a short 9 word message to put in my note so that I can get invited to a +15 cinderbrew or prior..."
sullen wyvern
cant go vers vers
glass mortar
with slightly worse scaling
this shuld tell u all u need to know
sullen wyvern
glass mortar
our best secondary has worse scaling then vers for us
this spec is not real i think
fathom bramble
our vers has worse scaling than it has for other specs too
glass mortar
3 pirates in a trenchcoat
frail veldt
our best secondary is vers wym
tulip jewel
mastery = increases lfg invite % chance so basically required
sullen wyvern
Only reason this spec works is because the effort and work this community puts into it by min maxing every single detail of our rotation imo
frail veldt
our vers has worse scaling than it has for other specs too
only cuz we already have a lot of it
fathom bramble
only cuz we already have a lot of it
no
fathom bramble
because we get 3% of it for free
sullen wyvern
This is not an intuitive ret pala kind of spec that you press 3 buttons and are expected to deal massive damage
fathom bramble
I mean that's the reason why it's slightly worse for us than other specs
frail veldt
cuz they have motw
glass mortar
anyway we are yapping for no reason we all know outlaws scaling is very broken, very silly, thankfully not usually very relevant
fathom bramble
all specs are assumed to have motw on them wdym
frail veldt
yeah any spec where vers is yoru best secondary is cuz scaling suuuuuucks
glass mortar
i dont think theyd let a popular spec sit at 50% vers at the end of an expac
u have perma hunter WALL up
frail veldt
all specs are assumed to have motw on them wdym
I dont have motw in my dungeons usually
do you?
fathom bramble
no
frail veldt
you cant just assume all specs have all raid buffs all the time lol
thats ridiculous
fathom bramble
I mean it's true that having druid buff does reduce the relative value of vers by a small amount
the same amount that thief's does
frail veldt
yeah so druids have worse vers scaling than other specs
only spec with worse vers scaling than druid is outlaw
fathom bramble
no
frail veldt
frail veldt
I thought its less than 3 now
desert tartan
% chance to summon noggenfogger pirate for 10 secs. At the end of 20 secs the pirate swings his sword and deals x times the amount of damage the player dealt while the summon was up
frail veldt
oh so druid has just as bad vers scaling as outlaw
fathom bramble
if we assume your not in a raid where all buffs are always present yeah
tulip jewel
fan of pistols
glass mortar
HOLY WAIT
quaint wharf
holy shit
quaint wharf
360 twirl where you shoot out pistols from both hands
glass mortar
ur spells and abilities have a chance to spawn a pirate that does x% of your damage over the last 10s
quaint wharf
sign me up
upbeat tundra
Wish I could bte myself
fathom bramble
Your spells and abilities have a chance(1rppm) to summon a first-mate that does x% of your damage for 10 seconds. Gaining bloodlust or a similar effect summons a first-mate for 40 seconds.
glass mortar
rppm on a mastery and its the rppm that is always high variance
letsfuckingGOOO
ok we are so baked rn
frail veldt
Your spells and abilities have a chance(1rppm) to summon a first-mate that does ...
1rppm is kinda low
fathom bramble
MORE VARIANCE
covert kestrel
Your spells and abilities have a chance(1rppm) to summon a first-mate that does ...
GOON SQUADING
fathom bramble
MOOOORE
glass mortar
MORE VARIANCE
the pirate casts a RtB when it spawns
frail veldt
"HOLD LUST FOR OUTLAW MASTERY"
glass mortar
it cans also roll 1-5 buffs
glass mortar
its damage scales with this
daring oxide
none of this matters anymore when wow becomes a 1 button game
fathom bramble
"HOLD LUST FOR OUTLAW MASTERY"
wdym
if it procs on pull then you have 2 first-mates out
fathom bramble
one with 10 seconds and one with 40
vivid vessel
because
frail veldt
oh I thoguth you meant for the last 10 seconds
sorry
that was what the other person said
sure
vivid vessel
otherwise the guys that soak the set before right
without imune
their debuff fall off
so you have to blast boss
no dps stop
daring oxide
its fitting that assassination is used as an example here:
X
fathom bramble
it's like 90% a meme suggestion anyway
and definitely not a good idea realistically
tulip jewel
pirate clones when you cast between the eyes technique
quaint wharf
its fitting that assassination is used as an example here:
https://x.com/Bigmor...
what is this? just a 1 button macro? lol
upbeat tundra
2m cd: summon dreadwake
summon 5-player mountable flying dreadwake. 1 drivers seat that you control, 4 mountable cannons that can be fired repeatedly for 10 seconds while you fly it around
glass mortar
yes its a 1 button macro
gaunt phoenix
"optimal"
fathom bramble
an intersting side effect of the pirate in this hypothetical only having 16% uptime means he would have to have such a high %mastery ratio that he deals more damage than you do while out
glass mortar
the odds of them making it properly do an optimal rotation is pretty damn low i think
fathom bramble
which is honestly hilarious to me
teal wing
its joke right
glass mortar
but it already has that built in 0.2s so
tulip jewel
bro i still didnt get r1 wtf
which
glass mortar
an intersting side effect of the pirate in this hypothetical only having 16% upt...
just like noggen
i want my pirate bro to be the MC
im just living in his world
tulip jewel
killing spree lets you ride your pirate during it
fathom bramble
Killing spree: Finishing move that call upon the dreadghost of your first-mate to strike enemies within 10 yards. Number of strikes increased per combo point
quaint wharf
damn
fathom bramble
we got one on our first kill for the monk
glass mortar
<@101843879791177728> have you ever seen the weapon from mug drop?
if ud progged as law
fathom bramble
and one on our 2nd kill for me
tulip jewel
always so random
yeah shit's so luck based
should've seen one of the pulls before my rank 1 sprocket, it was like 350k higher even
like 99% ar, rp, bearing
rofl
someone always chokes when you get god rng tho
sullen wyvern
I was gonna say 'im so glad il; get mugzhee mythic weapon with dinars but hehehehehehhehe
fathom bramble
I swear we can only kill oab on the single worst RNG pull of the night
tulip jewel
wonder how many people will be buying mugzee boosts
tulip jewel
I swear we can only kill oab on the single worst RNG pull of the night
happens every time
sullen wyvern
and its not like I am even aiming for m+ tittle
tulip jewel
outlaw curse
fathom bramble
well oab for classes that aren't this one
cinder relic
huh
bright crane
Youโre THE MSFT shareholder
gaunt phoenix
cinder relic
covert kestrel
huh
AH = "after hours" trading due to them reporting their earnings after the closing bell
bright crane
Tehehehe
trail star
What does Luck do in the raid ring?
hybrid crown
Flippy jump
fathom bramble
causes the alternate jump for your race to be used everytime
trail star
Oh omg
bright crane
Oh bro what
patent mirage
Wat
bright crane
So my human can do front flips?
hybrid crown
Nope
trail star
As a night elf i need that
bright crane
Whatโs the alt human jump?
hybrid crown
Night elves Flippy jump every time though
bright crane
I didnโt know humans had one even
hybrid crown
I don't think they do?
bright crane
Oh so itโs only if one exists
hybrid crown
Quick race change to worgen they have a Flippy jump
bright crane
Damn Iโd love to do some front flips
hasty warren
I'm arguing with my rl about pilar destack on rik, I'm right to say that for outlaw it's horrible because it force us to stop reduce cd to burst adds ?
vivid vessel
@fathom bramble
i did the whole raid
with hc shoudlers
i have mythic shoulders in my bag
fully upgraded
bright crane
Wow
fathom bramble
Sandbagging before the .7 patch
bright crane
U should be ashamed of urself
vivid vessel
Sandbagging before the .7 patch
i did the 3 mil on last boss tho
bright crane
Youโve brought great dishonor on your name
vivid vessel
im so mad
bright crane
Hey man
daring oxide
i did the 3 mil on last boss tho
you playing trickster on gally?
red zinc
is oab hard mechanics wise on mythic
bright crane
Better to be pissed off than to be pissed on
vivid vessel
you playing trickster on gally?
of course lol
red zinc
or will it be piss with all the extra gear people get
vivid vessel
its so much better
infinitly better
- ks is free on the boss
or well
its a bit hard maybe ?
but if you are used to ks
i think its fine
surreal flower
or will it be piss with all the extra gear people get
Itโs gonna be easier, still have to respect the one shots
gaunt phoenix
i think they hotfixed bf
daring oxide
i think they hotfixed bf
evidence
royal hollow
hasty warren
patent mirage
Wat
covert kestrel
quaint wharf
runic bough
Solo rufflin our jimmies
glass mortar
quick zac come die for me so i can see if i can BF ur corpse
dense bolt
solo never lies and hes never uncertain
glass mortar
!!
royal hollow
solo dropping the bomb then running away
covert kestrel
quick zac come die for me so i can see if i can BF ur corpse
no thats zeross' job, floor pov
vivid vessel
do you need 675 ilvl for the achiev, or 675 in every slot
glass mortar
675 ilvl
dense bolt
do you need 675 ilvl for the achiev, or 675 in every slot
Yes
vivid vessel
oh really
glass mortar
it buggy tho
gaunt phoenix
but not nimble
vivid vessel
i think i can get 675 soon
haughty wigeon
bf fixed
royal hollow
does solo have pets? maybe his pets stepped on his keyboard
haughty wigeon
for the new rotation helper
vivid vessel
i can never get 657 every slot tho
haughty wigeon
now casuals can play outlaw
dense bolt
does solo have pets? maybe his pets stepped on his keyboard
Mjaud that keyboard into writing a whole coherent sentence W
peak dock
anyone knows when is next catalyst charge? 1 week or 2?
vivid vessel
that doesnt mean anything
gaunt phoenix
for sub i mean
royal hollow
sub 
vivid vessel
do you solo ?
gaunt phoenix
vivid vessel
covert kestrel
for sub i mean
dense bolt
bright crane
We are so BACK
dense bolt
we not attacking dead targets
vivid vessel
dense bolt
We alive
hollow temple
ye idc about that
stop the cap
vivid vessel
we not attacking dead targets
stealthi is dead
royal hollow
vivid vessel
i cant trust you
dense bolt
L stealthi checkmate bozo o7
hollow temple
covert kestrel
What does o7 mean
its a salute
vivid vessel
dense bolt
Yungman u not yung enough to understand
bright crane
I feel like a fool
vivid vessel
ye its litteraly a guy saluting
bright crane
Now I see it
hollow temple
I feel like a fool
o/ = 
runic bough
Oh wow I didn't know that either
hollow temple
o/
royal hollow
orz
hollow temple
\o/ = 
bright crane
Iโm actually in Uzbekistan but ya
dense bolt
W
bright crane
Itโs a big rock too
hollow temple
/o\ = ???
peak dock
are we back or not? :3
hollow temple
\o/!!!
covert kestrel
Iโm actually in Uzbekistan but ya
runic bough
If this is true, this is the biggest outlaw comeback in history!!!!
glass mortar
oh wow u know
runic bough
glass mortar
ive never simmed ww secondaries @vivid vessel
is this what a real spec is like
xd
4 secondaries above agi
hollow temple
we need some outlaw keys NOW @vivid vessel
covert kestrel
whoever taught Ryu to add bold and italics to his messages needs a reprimand
gaunt phoenix
<@921608341048930304> i need a proof tho
im not home, its just the spell data PR
vivid vessel
holy mother of god
vivid vessel
im not home, its just the spell data PR
alright let me check
hollow temple
whoever taught Ryu to add bold and italics to his messages needs a reprimand
i want to add a Ryu filter to Moroes
glass mortar
i have 26000 mastery
covert kestrel
funhouse lens is goated
wide flare
does Evasion not work on Rik anymore?
hollow temple
if: bold/italics = delete
glass mortar
does Evasion not work on Rik anymore?
it does not
wide flare
sadge
hollow temple
hollow temple
i'm just kidding ryu
covert kestrel
im not home, its just the spell data PR
runic bough
loud wing
when outlaw fix
hollow temple
when outlaw fix
6 minutes ago
gaunt phoenix
oh just evasion
loud wing
aint no way
covert kestrel
are we jebaited
glass mortar
= did u roll a 5 buff or not
gaunt phoenix
y r u raiding normal
normal cinderbrew
glass mortar
o
loud wing
guys ive had a vision
runic bough
Zac couldn't wait to find group so he ran in a normal dungeon
loud wing
what if together with the BF hotfixes they added some lil tiny itsy bitsy outlaw buffs
gaunt phoenix
wtf
glass mortar
vivid vessel
fixed right >?
glass mortar
look at it
vivid vessel
@gaunt phoenix
glass mortar
look at this scaling
covert kestrel
weran not the time
vivid vessel
i think this looks fixed to me
glass mortar
who even cares about this bf bug honestly
vivid vessel
i cannot get under 7 hits
loud wing
super fixed
glass mortar
if the guys are dead u dont need to do damage anyway?
u did ur job
bf can take a nap
covert kestrel
i aura cancel bf anytime a mob dies
gaunt phoenix
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1367253461023850636/im...
Do their storm spirits not scale with agi or something
glass mortar
no they do
vivid vessel
yes its definitly fixed
glass mortar
this spec just turbo scales now
gaunt phoenix
fixed right >?
ye
glass mortar
i mean we dont really do stat weights now a day but the reality is for a lot of specs this expac, if a secondary is good for u, it beats primary
covert kestrel
this spec just turbo scales now
funhaus lens so goated
gaunt phoenix
We did it boys
random stirrup
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1367253461023850636/im...
crazy they scale better with stamina than kir law does with haste past cap
glass mortar
but all 4 above agi is
dense bolt
We did it boys
Thank u big dawg appriciate u
runic bough
pliant wind
can you restart the bug of BF if you recast it in pulls?
glass mortar
funhaus lens so goated
bro this thing gives more raw stats then HoC
this thing is goated
buff delve trinkets blizzard
give me myth track funhouse
hollow temple
We did it boys
if sub is forgotten, we have not finished 
gaunt phoenix
can you restart the bug of BF if you recast it in pulls?
No but all the bugs are fixed anyway
timber knoll
confirmed fix - so urce me
gaunt phoenix
ye
bright crane
So are we back to being kir enjoyers now that deft is fixed too
random stirrup
wowhead goated
runic bough
Now I'm going to play fatebound aoe guys
random stirrup
op website
bright crane
Or is HO still the move
timber knoll
always was
glass mortar
time to relearn trickster kir
runic bough
Kir fatebound it is. GOODBYE KILLINGSPREEEEEEE
glass mortar
idk why u think these changes impact fatebound at all
they are agnostic to hero tree
but glhf
i hope all ur coins r lucky
runic bough
Pc was affected too wasn't it
glass mortar
yes but PC is also agnostic to hero talent
actually pc would be stronger for trickster since BF is bigger for it
so these changes should be bigger gains for trickster builds i think?
pliant wind
rogue is agnostic itself
runic bough
Fucking kill the mood guys geez
gaunt phoenix
Or is HO still the move
you can sim but KIR should win at high targets, HO at lower targets
timber knoll
is there a kir build that can get GS and PC?
covert kestrel
you can sim but KIR should win at high targets, HO at lower targets
WERE SO BACK
trail star
if sub is forgotten, we have not finished <:sadge:820202363359854633>
What is sub, i see only one text channel
Hehe
gaunt phoenix
i can do it
glass mortar
i mean PC should numerically be good in any dungeon where its good on a boss i think?
vivid vessel
no i meant
glass mortar
idk thats how it feels to me
glass mortar
but it probably
gaunt phoenix
oh ye
haughty wigeon
do u think
glass mortar
and u just didnt notice
vivid vessel
my cope went the other way solo
haughty wigeon
outlaw willl do more dam than tanks now
in big pulls
now that it doesnt hit dead targets
vivid vessel
i mean PC *should* numerically be good in any dungeon where its good on a boss i...
maybe ye
runic bough
Pc wasn't functioning if bf was broken so try it now zac
vivid vessel
im thinking pc in theatre
gaunt phoenix
outlaw just wont do randomly single target damage in some pulls
peak dock
fixed right >?
@brisk thicket
runic bough
The news is spreading fast
tender breach
has BF - dead target bug been fixed?
gaunt phoenix
yes
latent belfry
has BF - dead target bug been fixed?
im guessing
jolly geyser
mop bug fixed
void canopy
for real?
runic bough
Outlaw makes worldwide effort to fix outlaw, we have success boys!!!!!
Thank you to all the outlaw supporters
covert kestrel
Thank you to all the outlaw supporters
bright crane
Zac can u send ur m+ build
daring oxide
oh
gg
blade flurry dead targets fixed
nikce
nice
@gaunt phoenix update pin lad
ok u did
@peak crow thank you for fixes โค๏ธ
proven ocean
@vivid vessel outlaw has the highest dps on dying mobs
covert kestrel
<@167131381988720640> thank you for fixes โค๏ธ
THE PIN
runic bough
Yes way
still matrix
they fixed bs?
icy cedar
๐ฎ outlaw best M+ spec confirmed now?
daring oxide
outlaw is the best now
proven ocean
now post on why outlaw is bad when its capped
still matrix
@vivid vessel you playing KIR now lool
vivid vessel
we can go back to dooming about target cap and killing spree now
icy cedar
let me KS into smash mechanic rq
vivid vessel
back to the rightful order
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> you playing KIR now lool
?
proven ocean
im not even kidding
proven ocean
legit unplayable talent
well since outlaw is mega cringe
im ognna go back to sin
cya bois
icy cedar
last boss of mechagon, the blue balls moved while i was in KS, and it dropped me on top of a ball and bounced me off the ledge
red zinc
daily outlaw updates now zeross
pliant wind
zzzzzzin
red zinc
ks change tomorrow
icy cedar
i stopped playing outlaw in keys after that
red zinc
guaranteed
daring oxide
ye they'll hotfix KS to apply the woxtoxic fix of removing the teleporting part of killing spree
tomorrow
delicate seal
last boss of mechagon, the blue balls moved while i was in KS, and it dropped me...
Spam grapple should've seen it coming
jolly geyser
I looted dagger, maybe stab time
icy cedar
Spam grapple should've seen it coming
yes if i was better/smarter i could've lived
delicate seal
Should always remember where you start KS from
proven ocean
to get the achiev
i dont even need the achievement lololol
pliant wind
they are gonna fix outlaw :o
pliant wind
SUCH A GOOD TEAM
gaunt phoenix
Blade Flurry hotfixes & build info
Deft Maneuvers damage bonus is fixed
Grand Melee snapshotting/not applying is fixed- Blade Flurry trying to hit dead targets is fixed
Fazed on secondary targets not increasing BF damage is fixed
The bugs are fixed, we did it boys 
How much damage did we just gain?
Deft fix - 1.5% or so for KIR in keys, more at big pulls
GM fix - neutral for KIR, could be >5% in keys for HO compared to before as you commonly did not have GM working on BF
Fazed fix - 2-3% or so in keys overall
BF fix - nothing in raid, seems significant in keys. Hard to quantify how often BF tried to strike dead targets, case by case based on pulls and positioning. But the fix should prevent occasionally doing weirdly low damage in huge pulls. Also Precise Cuts was kinda devalued all this time by the bug and should be noticeably better.
If I had to pull a number out of my ass I might say "at least 10%" cause that's how it feels, especially in the giga pulls of meadery etc. your output is consistently higher.
How do I use Deft now?
I will post a more thorough update later but you can pretty much go back to slamming Deft as the highest prio builder in AoE and is definitely worth using as KIR. It still doesn't seem to mind a possible CPs rule so I will have to investigate it over the week.
What about 
HO or 
KIR in keys?
HO should still be the standard but KIR is perhaps more considerable. For my profile KIR 2 FTH is winning at higher target counts by 3-4%, but it loses ST/lower target counts similarly.
If you can play KIR 1 FTH then it should still have an edge over KIR 2 FTH overall in keys if you accept losing a lot of ST damage for Precise Cuts.
P.S. you can no longer use Evasion on Rik Reverb's slam
daring oxide
@vivid vessel when adds are up on gally, do you use KS directly on the adds? or on the boss?
hollow temple
<@1172550924519080006>
craft neck ?
proven ocean
craft neck ?
dps loss
icy cedar
wtb gilded uncapped already
red zinc
wtb gilded uncapped already
2 weeks
daring oxide
# <:bf:1102932559253483540> Blade Flurry hotfixes & build info
- <:acro:11721406...
lets get a wowhead post up about fazed bug and killing spree bug, and target cap bug
hollow temple
achievments > DPS !!
vivid vessel
@proven ocean toughts?
daring oxide
<@1172550924519080006> toughts?
disgusting
gaunt phoenix
lets get a wowhead post up about fazed bug and killing spree bug, and target cap...
that probably won't happen
quartz magnet
<@1172550924519080006> toughts?
illegal
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> when adds are up on gally, do you use KS directly on the a...
ye on adds
so you cleave
hollow temple
no crests i just cvrafted a wrist
damn
icy cedar
confirmed info
from where
daring oxide
so you cleave
ok, ill do gally as trickster then
red zinc
from where
random stirrup
<@1172550924519080006>
are you ready for turbo boost to powercreep pvp gear
hollow temple
from blizzard
daring oxide
@vivid vessel did you ever get stunned by the beam or by the orbs on gally when using KS on gally?
hollow temple
are you ready for turbo boost to powercreep pvp gear
what?
proven ocean
<@1172550924519080006>
cute
vivid vessel
ok, ill do gally as trickster then
of course you will
vivid vessel
wdym
random stirrup
since more ilvl
vivid vessel
is that even a question
proven ocean
im at 8% avoidance too
hollow temple
as in pvp gear gets worse in pve
no
icy cedar
dang how did i miss this
hollow temple
thats cap
jolly geyser
like crafted gear just gets boosted 6 ilvls?
vivid vessel
are you ready for turbo boost to powercreep pvp gear
ye
daring oxide
is that even a question
ye but i got stunned a couple times on my first night of prog, on the beams at the start, and those orbs he leaves behind after frontal
red zinc
you
gaunt phoenix
people are 670 without touching M raid
proven ocean
how the fuck are you 675 ilvl with just 5/8mythic...?
by being lucky
vivid vessel
ye but i got stunned a couple times on my first night of prog, on the beams at t...
press first ks but preposition, second ks you cloak
red zinc
people are 670 without touching M raid
you can be 673 without doing so
red zinc
maybe even 674
vivid vessel
vurai
gaunt phoenix
you can be 673 without doing so
ye
proven ocean
btw
daring oxide
press first ks but preposition, second ks you cloak
ah so you cloak the 2nd KS during beams
ok that makes sense
and those orbs?
proven ocean
99% of the entire game dont know how to upgrade their crests
jolly geyser
with luck
daring oxide
sometimes if the boss back is facing the orbs KS throws you into them, have them ever stunned you @vivid vessel
proven ocean
i barely know many ppl that know how to spend their crests correctly
most ppl just wing it
daring oxide
any other problem areas for KS on gally aside from those? @vivid vessel
runic bough
Guys save the date, today marks history for outlaws all over the world. Today on 4.30.2025, outlaws were less bugged than yesterday. It could not have been possible without the massive outlaw community, thanks to our 5 outlaw supporters. Jk, i know theres more out there thank you. Thank you blizzard for fixes
fair hill
any idea when to drop Cyrce's Circlet or do i just sim?
vivid vessel
gaunt phoenix
in the next day or so i will post on where deft usage and KIR vs HO stands overall
vivid vessel
daring oxide
in the next day or so i will post on where deft usage and KIR vs HO stands overa...
please thank you โค๏ธ
tight egret
HO still simming well over KiR for me in dungeon slice
vivid vessel
@daring oxide can watch vod here and read how ks works
vivid vessel
sometimes if the boss back is facing the orbs KS throws you into them, have them...
your healer can dispell its ok not the worse thing in the world
still matrix
HO still simming well over KiR for me in dungeon slice
hasnt simmed over for me in a whiiiile
vivid vessel
any other problem areas for KS on gally aside from those? <@352916297262301194>
in p3 you have beams aswell, i keep cloak to ks the first beam (after add spawn usualyl cause i dont believe ksing the add spawn is actually worth it usually)
daring oxide
<@105752825878843392> can watch vod here and read how ks works
watching them all thank you โค๏ธ
vivid vessel
and then there is another beam later
kinda hwatever
you will see it
@gaunt phoenix whats your tought on ks damage value
to me ks is not good damage value for say
bright crane
in the next day or so i will post on where deft usage and KIR vs HO stands overa...
Bless up king
vivid vessel
add pops
where i need to get all my damage out as fast as possible
sometimes i send a low cp ks for these situations
or stuffs like that
gaunt phoenix
hm
vivid vessel
what are you toughts on ks value
glass mortar
so many fights it makes u just not flurry the relevant things
vivid vessel
maybe im like a bit miss feelycrafting the value of ks
glass mortar
because the animation is so far
vivid vessel
cause the dtep is still high right
gaunt phoenix
the DPET is fine idk
daring oxide
@vivid vessel So the anchor point during beams is EXACTLY directly behind the boss (opposite side of where the front arrow tip is?)
like when hes stood completely still
during beams
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> So the anchor point during beams is EXACTLY directly behin...
doesnt matter cause for the beams you cloak the ks that would stun you
i think you could not cloak
but i didnt bother
daring oxide
so you always precloak
vivid vessel
you just press the first ks you always have time
and second you cloak
its whatever
daring oxide
ok
vivid vessel
then shield is over
gaunt phoenix
i can see if you have limited damage window, if you early KS then you can vanish sooner
daring oxide
past falcon
bugs are fixed
vivid vessel
no
daring oxide
the beam had just passed the anchor point
midnight ridge
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
Pre-key fuckery
RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.- DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not
AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points. - After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
- Before entering the first pack BF into
Stealth. - Open on pack with AR into
BtE.
runic bough
life is good
Huge
daring oxide
yeah
vivid vessel
i dont need to use cloak anyway
you just feint
every damage in the game
- nothing does damage
just cloak this
trust me
dont think about it
tight kernel
So with fix.. pc or nah
vivid vessel
i can see if you have limited damage window, if you early KS then you can vanish...
ye
its mostrly for that that i do it
and well sometimes if i know ks will not be good i ignore it and vanish
the 1min 30 add pop on one arm
depending on timing
i do that
daring oxide
Zac do you not swap directly to the technician?
vivid vessel
Zac do you not swap directly to the technician?
no but if you are progging do it
daring oxide
ok
vivid vessel
there is no reason to not swap other than mild pad
if you need to ks
you ks on adds tho
daring oxide
yeah atm im like top damage
yeah
KS on adds much better
otherwise KS on boss sends u to africa
vivid vessel
there is no reason to not swap other than mild pad
casue its easier to aoe the adds while targeting the boss, than to aoe everything while targeting an add @daring oxide
since boss can be a bit far etc
but ye
pad mostly
vivid vessel
prog target the techniciant
daring oxide
i wanted to aoe off boss
vivid vessel
ye its for sure more optimal
daring oxide
but KS sends me away and no aoe adds anymore whne on boss
so i just started focusing technician
or
the big add
with KS
vivid vessel
ye
daring oxide
you playing ST?
vivid vessel
ye
daring oxide
ahh
glass mortar
but a crackshot should be slightly better
daring oxide
you were on 2.9mil last week
glass mortar
in that tight window
daring oxide
ok good
pale pivot
BF still bugged dudes?
daring oxide
boss damage
i bet ass dont even swap off boss
vivid vessel
no thye dont
pale pivot
Wowhead didnt post anything about
daring oxide
hows your OAB damage?
bright crane
Wowhead only knew because of the big brains in here
hollow temple
Wowhead didnt post anything about
they don't always post about bugs or fixes
hollow temple
some things just get fixed without being announced by blizz
daring oxide
its decent
check 11.1 ๐
vivid vessel
