Or to ambush/ss at 5 cp
#outlaw
wintry solar
latent oak
royal ermine
I already do that you think I get procs
hasty warren
to spam 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1
late swallow
to spam 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1
remote pecan
with an increased gcd? no1 is gna do that we're all sweaty
wintry solar
Df fury warr but for everyone! :D
hollow temple
we're definitely all doing it
wintry solar
For sure
hollow temple
1hundo p
wintry solar
I've gotta see how bad it is
Seeing people say it's bad simply isn't good enough. I NEED to see with my hands.
late swallow
i want RWF but everyone has to use the rotation helper
covert kestrel
Just as John blizzard wanted
late swallow
also what's with the D4 seethe
remote pecan
every1 should go get HR & Hekili & then compare them to blizzard version.
late swallow
did blizz do something
gaunt phoenix
tbh it sounds like an absurd amount of work if it wants to be robust in any way
wintry solar
Apparently it's not good rn
remote pecan
tbh it sounds like an absurd amount of work if it wants to be robust in any way
just ask Cil, i kinda cheat i only do 1 class.
gaunt phoenix
hollow temple
every1 should go get HR & Hekili & then compare them to blizzard version.
we already have a better than blizzard version
wintry solar
I wonder if the rotation helper changes with your build or if it only works with the starter build
I'm def running kir/gsw
I want to see
plush flint
cant you evasion on rik anymore?
wintry solar
No
remote pecan
cant you evasion on rik anymore?
no, ninja nerfed
plush flint
rip
wintry solar
I like to think fixing GM caused evasion to not work on it
gaunt phoenix
Lol
slate plaza
remote pecan
I like to think fixing GM caused evasion to not work on it
you know if it did i wouldn't even be shocked
hybrid crown
After a certain amount of io (I think like 300) if the character is linked to your profile and shows as an alt you will start to see the main io
Like when you are logged into RIO looking at that characters profile it should say "alt of ..."
red zinc
i find it so strange that we're gaining like 11%~ dps so late in a season in a few weeks
viscid perch
bf dead target fix so far?
red zinc
not complaining but
daring oxide
i find it so strange that we're gaining like 11%~ dps so late in a season in a f...
huh how?
hollow temple
bf dead target fix so far?
no
red zinc
7 ilvls from the new gear thing and head enchant from corruptions
red zinc
if you have hero/myth gear only yeah
remote pecan
at least it makes the final mythic bosses accessible to more ppl. not a bad thing imo.
olive flax
to spam 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1
im already rerolling dev evoker to just not care about the gcd
red zinc
crests uncapped also
red zinc
so you can just grind that shit out instantly
kinda fun
the turbo boost event and corruptions are 1 week apart though
wintry solar
Waiting for the "Can I Get Duelist In Arenas Using The Blizzard Rotation Helper??" videos on youtube
hybrid crown
Will it work for healing 🤔 🤔
timber knoll
whats that
wintry solar
A Rotation helper
tight kernel
Rotation helper will only support one spec, Fatebound KIR. Confirmed
wintry solar
Fatebound KIR no ace/gsw to be specific
I hope it changes with the build
Imma have so much fun
covert kestrel
Fatebound KIR no ace/gsw to be specific
Ryukage in charge of blizz rotation helper, who says no?
wintry solar
Sheeit I'm in favor
timber knoll
Sounds like they’re basically making a rotation bot on a delay so that it wont be competitive with optimal human play
wintry solar
That's for the single button rotation
remote pecan
I'm more interested to see if they do it with actual ai or not.
red zinc
Sounds like they’re basically making a rotation bot on a delay so that it wont b...
It wouldnt be regardless
im a doubter, they could remove that delay and it still wouldnt be all that impactful
nova basin
Rip all keys with pugs going forward
late swallow
i want a competitive no ace, no ho, no gsw, no cto, no kir build
is that too much to ask for?
red zinc
Top half of the tree only
nova basin
All keys failed and the ones using it have an actual excuse hey are following blizzards rotation.
red zinc
Got so many good content ideas with this thing
“Can I beat blizzard hekili with no capstones”
late swallow
Top half of the tree only
nova basin
Can I 1 button my way to 3k
mighty pivot
blade rush 
red zinc
<:WICKED:934132365851246692>
Kinda crazy how little 2 point talents we have actually
Now get rid of the last 3
Wasnt it druid that had 3 point nodes at some point
late swallow
Kinda crazy how little 2 point talents we have actually
we only have 3 right?
wintry solar
Should move fth up and add a talent that makes gsw worth something
wintry solar
Wasnt it druid that had 3 point nodes at some point
Dk too
red zinc
Should move fth up and add a talent that makes gsw worth something
Just make gsw into tornado trigger
so much cooler and makes sense to be locked behind fth
no brainer
red zinc
My goal is big gun supremacy
mighty pivot
make gsw baseline and replace it with a talent that makes ambush ranged using an uzi
dawn talon
<:WICKED:934132365851246692>
Everybody is so creative!
timber knoll
They specifically called out outlaw in the video lol
viscid perch
For what
cinder relic
i want a competitive no ace, no ho, no gsw, no cto, no kir build
Bro wants a nothing sandwich with nothing on it
red zinc
The ryukage special
mighty pivot
a toast sandwich
dawn talon
<:WICKED:934132365851246692>
i like that you're talented into both audacity and triple threat
hybrid crown
KS focused build where KS has 100% uptime
fluid meadow
Bro wants a nothing sandwich with nothing on it
you forget tier sets
late swallow
Bro wants a nothing sandwich with nothing on it
timber knoll
They said outlaw is a prime example of a spec you must have weakauras for
hybrid crown
Don't leave KS 0 damage taken
timber knoll
Outlaw confirmed rework soon big dammy big rolls big gaming
late swallow
make feint, evasion, and sprint offensive cooldowns
bake the momentum scroll into sprint
covert kestrel
Make us drop sussy drinks all over our raid when we use crimson vial
mighty pivot
outlaw replaced with maid spec
tight kernel
After reworks outlaw will be the next Aug
late swallow
daring oxide
they will make outlaw optimal soon for 1 button keybind blizzard assist
you just have to press it really really fast
in the rework to make outlaw non-addon compliant
magic shuttle
That's the ho build
covert kestrel
Make the outlaw rotation playing Osu!
daring oxide
no need weakauras anymore
timber knoll
Just let me drop a canonball on a mfs head
fluid meadow
"after 5-7 cp your builder turns into a finisher" eta gg
magic shuttle
I think you can play ho without a weak aura package btw
Only issue is tracking unseen blade stacks
Actually nvm I forgot fth stacks are not tracked properly on blizzard base UI stuff
fair hill
Hi, im quite new to outlaw, I wanted to ask about outlaw weapons, if we should have 2x 1h weapon (sword,mace,axe) or 1x 1h weapon and 1x dagger in off hand. Thanks
ornate heathBOT
A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more 
Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, 
Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.
fair hill
Ohh okay, was wondering because of what type of weapon to craft
i suppose the Everforged longsword should do the trick then
magic shuttle
Yup
hollow temple
Ohh okay, was wondering because of what type of weapon to craft
should likely only craft 1 weapon for mainhand at first
depending on the rest of your gear
fair hill
my char is 1 week old so only one vault where i took myth helm, rest of gear is around 655-660
thanks for the help 
bright crane
they will make outlaw optimal soon for 1 button keybind blizzard assist
They took inspiration from the bug abuse earlier this year
next shuttle
Quick question, does blade flurry hit enemies around the target or around the rogue?
fathom bramble
the rogue
hollow temple
my char is 1 week old so only one vault where i took myth helm, rest of gear is ...
would probably need to sim it yourself to find the most optimal combo, but usually we craft mainhand weapon then a couple off pieces etc
olive flax
in the rework to make outlaw non-addon compliant
and it will all be pistol shot.
Every 5th pistol shot automatically spends 5 combo points on bte
boom ranged rogue class bby
next shuttle
Ty
upbeat tundra
i want outlaw to be like bastion in overwatch where we mount a cannon and just hold down left click
fathom bramble
idk if outlaw even counts as a spec that requires weakauras
it's basically just buff and CD trackers that we use
2 things that you can mostly replicate in the base ui these days
sometimes a buff is missing from the base stuff though which is an issue, but I don't think it's an unsolvable one
olive flax
idk about that - I can't imagine playing outlaw well with out a decent class weakaura
twilit rivet
what
warped valve
Hey,
since BF + Deft doesn´t profit from Surprising Strikes, I was wondering,
do the other CP builder related talents(Heavy Hitter, Deadly Precision and Lethality) work with BF + Deft?
twilit rivet
i agree with loktark, all you need is already in the game
you jus tned to move stuff around
fathom bramble
idk the only WA I have that isn't just tracking a buff/cd is number of remaining strikes from casting KS
maybe RTB container logic and all the issues it contains counts if your playing kir
olive flax
I mean yea it's there; but a class weakaura just solves all of that
fathom bramble
I agree that a class weakaura solves all of it much more easily
but the idea is that WAs are required
which isn't the case if you can solve it with a bit more work making it yourself in the base ui
twilit rivet
i'm pretty sure you can play it well without having weakauras, but htey do make it easier
olive flax
if any class requires a weakaura its for sure outlaw - outlaw not requiring a weakaura to play well is just contrarian in retail.
fathom bramble
nearly all of our WAs are just buff and cd trackers though
nothing has complex logic that must be derived via WA
the main thing that a WA does which cannot be done otherwise is just label your RTB container stuff for kir
twilit rivet
i've put too much time into making auras personalized for me for them to take it away at some point xD
i'll be heartbroken
olive flax
I think I might be missing somehting; class weakauras are designed to track things more effectively so I guess I don't really understand what it means to not need a weakaura
like yea everything to track is in game, but class weakauras are there to help you track those things
fathom bramble
most of the class weakuara pack style stuff can be replicated with somewhat annoying use of the base ui
like the WA packs are far easier to use
easier to import
and definitely more common
and I don't just mean staring at your buffs in the far corner or staring at bars at the bottom of your screen
I mean actually making a sensible version of these common WA packs using base ui elements+personal resource display
hybrid crown
Can you import buff tracking setups with the new thing they added
twilit rivet
you can't make cool bufftrackers like this without WA though:(
bright crane
Yo you guys know what’s missing from these announcements?
twilit rivet
dawn talon
yeah but the base resource display is UGLY
olive flax
I think in my mind when someone says you don't need a weakaura to play outlaw - my brain instantly goes to - "good luck tracking RTB buffs in our giant mess of buffs in the top right corner"
But I think you are getting at something else
dawn talon
and very hard for me to read
bright crane
AI!!!
hybrid crown
If you can I would say that's easier than importing a WA
fathom bramble
yeah but the base resource display is UGLY
yeah
it's also so much less customizable
and I like my specific combo points to be the way I like them
wintry solar
Every ui since 2019 has been ugly
dawn talon
i fucking hate blizz default textures
icy hare
Is a 675 wick ring and a 675 crafted ring better in all scenarios then the cyrce's?
dawn talon
they are hideous and incredibly difficult for me to read
i just want static, flat textures
fathom bramble
I think in my mind when someone says you don't need a weakaura to play outlaw - ...
personal resource display shows buffs that matter in the center of your screen including AR and RTB, but sometimes on some specs things that do matter can be missing
dawn talon
i don't want gradients or moving shit or random ugly flourishes
fathom bramble
they also broke it displaying RTB and idk if that was fixed yet
inner stump
I think in my mind when someone says you don't need a weakaura to play outlaw - ...
take a look at CD Manager that blizz added last patch
dawn talon
and the base ui is full of them
inner stump
it tracks RTB buffs and you can have them in the middle of the screen if u want
fathom bramble
CD manager may also answer all those problems very trivially
bright crane
Is a 675 wick ring and a 675 crafted ring better in all scenarios then the cyrce...
Sim yourself but good chance the answer is yes. A high vers ring will likely be better than cyrce. I replaced mine week 3 with a high vers ring
inner stump
it's not bad honestly, but WAs are way more customizable
dawn talon
i am very nearly blind and the game would be legitimately unplayable if i had to use default ui elements lol
fathom bramble
WAs are absolutely way better and there's no way I would want to stop using them
but I feel like the main reason they are so good is customizability not that they are required
not anymore
bright crane
Jpc just built different
fathom bramble
with just the personal resource display and moving your actual bars to a sensible spot to kind of use them as a CD tracker you could do it imo
it would be ugly
twilit rivet
for customizing and tracking buffs and debuffs i agree, i dont think they should be as impactful and heaveily relied on for bossifhgts and mechanics
fathom bramble
but it is definitely manageable and I've done it on the ptr/beta
oh yeah WAs for boss encoutners is a completely different bag of worms
inner stump
jpc was playing with like almost no weakauras in bfa and sl even
he def had WAs, just simple ones, I subbed just to get them
vivid vessel
jpc was playing with like almost no weakauras in bfa and sl even
jpc was litteralyt playing with a rtb weak aura btw
frail veldt
jpc was playing with like almost no weakauras in bfa and sl even
eh kind of
he just has a lot of them hidden
vivid vessel
just because they are hidden
frail veldt
he doesnt have permanent displayed was
vivid vessel
doesnt mean he doesnt play with was kekw
inner stump
yep, loved his UI btw
dawn talon
jpc was litteralyt playing with a rtb weak aura btw
yes but i mean the ones they are talking about in the video when they mention outlaw
inner stump
if you dont need to worry about X ability, it just doesnt show up
dense bolt
whats the topic tonight guys, we just yapping or what
olive flax
Ion mentioned outlaw
dawn talon
i really don't understand why you cannot use the base ui to have a simple flat bar to track your combo points
olive flax
we are famous now
dawn talon
without fucking hideous hard to read texturse all over
olive flax
hell yea we are
bright crane
lol what’d he say about ol
upbeat tundra
whats the topic tonight guys, we just yapping or what
people are dooming about some rotation helper for new players thing i think
fathom bramble
lol what’d he say about ol
basically nothing other than mentioning it as a complex spec
dawn talon
people are dooming about some rotation helper for new players thing i think
oh idc about that just don't change my spec
fathom bramble
used it as an example and then went straight into a specific case that we don't actually have
tracking 4-7 stacks of a buff
frail veldt
lol what’d he say about ol
he used it as the easy example of a spec that requires was to play competitively/optimally
vivid vessel
i think he meant rtb
dense bolt
so we just overanalyzing then
glass mortar
i mean
fathom bramble
i think he meant rtb
maybe
lavish geyser
we are famous now
Soft cap on BF when?
olive flax
I think the video gives a broader discussion on the future of weakauras in wow
fathom bramble
it's the only thing that's kind of close but it's not really stacks
and doesn't go to 7
haughty wigeon
vivid vessel
aslo fth goes to 6 !
vivid vessel
@fathom bramble i had to do far mine on locket reclear this week
olive flax
Is gonna fail hard
idk dev evokers gonna be living the high life. They already have a crazy slow rotation
icy cedar
oh shit, single button assistant will throw poisoned knife when im outta range?!
haughty wigeon
idk dev evokers gonna be living the high life. They already have a crazy slow r...
Now it’ll be slower
Cause .2 penalties
icy cedar
wait, you can adjust input latency
haughty wigeon
oh shit, single button assistant will throw poisoned knife when im outta range?!
It’s the most optimal :)
icy cedar
what if you adjust input latency to compensate for the 0.2 gcd penalty
dense bolt
Do i really need to watch this 40min video to understand what u guys yapping bout or what
icy cedar
make yourself lag so you can press your next spell halfway into the cast of the first spell
olive flax
Do i really need to watch this 40min video to understand what u guys yapping bou...
20 minutes on 2x speed ezpz
fathom bramble
Do i really need to watch this 40min video to understand what u guys yapping bou...
Start at 18:30 and listen for like 4 minutes
haughty wigeon
Do i really need to watch this 40min video to understand what u guys yapping bou...
Ingame addons
fathom bramble
Or something
tight kernel
Zac does your source say when bf fix will be?
dense bolt
20 minutes on 2x speed ezpz
Its just gonna be hokus pokus words for me with 2x speef
olive flax
pft 3x is so 2022; its 5x now
wintry solar
Its just gonna be hokus pokus words for me with 2x speef
Your furniture will start levitating
icy cedar
I'm more concerned that they'll kill Plater than anything else, I'm a tab-kicker mostly, so I need to have my ghostly strike enormous off my main target name plate to get back to it. Or my deathstalker's mark on ass.
gaunt phoenix
doubt they are killing anything that will lose them players
fluid meadow
hope they won't do dungeons with tons of mob after these things btw
icy cedar
They said they wanna kill all combat addons, and I dunno if Plater is considered combat or just UI since you adjust how your combat debuffs look ya know
wintry solar
I'm starting to see the appeal to classic
remote pecan
They'll backtrack once they realise just how much work they are taking on for themselves
fluid meadow
I'm starting to see the appeal to classic
we are going back to the future
hollow temple
I'm more concerned that they'll kill Plater than anything else, I'm a tab-kicker...
seems like they just want to get rid of DBM/BigWigs type stuff
maybe kill some of the boss fight WeakAura functions
ion said they don't want to take away people's customizability i think
upbeat tundra
he said they are fully fine with all of the non computational and customization addons
late swallow
he was the best outlaw rogue when he was actively playing btw
no cap ong fr fr
tomelvis a close second
upbeat tundra
this rotation helper thing is very good btw this is going to dramatically increase the skill of the people in your weekly 10s and heroic raid pugs and shit
fathom bramble
gg
late swallow
i want MDI or TGP but addon helper is required
sinful pendant
that toggle for auto rotation isnt gonna help ya learn outlaw
fathom bramble
this rotation helper thing is very good btw this is going to dramatically increa...
I think your underestimating how much of a damage loss it is to eat a 0.2 second GCD loss over and over
upbeat tundra
this is the auto rotation, im not talking about the auto rotation
upbeat tundra
the recommendation shit has no gcd penalty it says
icy cedar
rotation helpers already exist, the grey parsers all have them installed and still parse grey
upbeat tundra
i promise you if the random pugs you find in heroic raids were all using a rotation helper they would be INFINITY smoother
fathom bramble
but I doubt it will often be accurate
unless it has an insane degree of customizability
fluid meadow
rotation helpers already exist, the grey parsers all have them installed and sti...
they have everything installed, so they don't see anything
icy cedar
if you've ever analyzed logs of grey parsers, they just miss tons of gcds, an in-built rotation helper won't help them
literally just don't press buttons when they get startled i think
"oh no i got a debuff, panic"
upbeat tundra
but I doubt it will often be accurate
if it's 70% accurate it will be 60% better than cleetus the truckdriver with 3 hours a week to play
hollow temple
cleetus is better than 90% of the fotm rerollers
upbeat tundra
real
icy cedar
funny, i do know a mississippi long haul trucker that parses grey when he plays.... He uninstalled dragonflight because he couldn't figure out dragonriding and wanted regular flying back
fathom bramble
if it's 70% accurate it will be 60% better than cleetus the truckdriver with 3 h...
you are probably right that it would help a lot of players, but I kind of doubt that those kinds of players are actually doing 10s
definitely a lot of less skilled players would get a dps boost from rotation helpers
I could be wrong though, and the later into a season we get the more likely lower skill players are to be doing 10s
late swallow
this is for the people who post on reddit "just timed my first +8 ever. i had 3 panic attacks and needed to take medicine, but I'm really proud of myself"
surreal flower
Every couple of weeks you see a post about a casual player installing luxthos or afenar packs and all of a sudden everything clicks for them
icy cedar
there's some wild people doing 10s right now out on the streets of azeroth
surreal flower
This will kinda be like that but for a wider audience
late swallow
this is for people who can't drink coffee because they'll have an anxiety attack btw
upbeat tundra
just let people vibe its not that serious
icy cedar
so i actually used to have panic attacks pugging in WoW legitimately
cinder relic
Let the noobs chill
icy cedar
i started using propranolol before doing keys and pugging raids
craggy barn
literaly just an accessibility feature
icy cedar
and it stopped happening
craggy barn
theres tons of people this is incredibly useful for
cinder relic
Bro the backlash for LFR was already insane, can u imagine if they added LFR today
craggy barn
cinder relic
LFR today would be literal 9/11
late swallow
people out here shooting up with horse tranq because the game has too many mechanics
icy cedar
i mean, i didn't whine about it on reddit, i powered through it, because I recognized my anxiety was irrational, I didn't blame the community or the game or anything
gaunt phoenix
yeah let's not
icy cedar
it's a beta blocker not a tranq
cinder relic
gaunt phoenix
mock people
glass mortar
eh idk they added literal storymode endbosses that let u complete the endboss quests each season
and people havent really complained
cinder relic
Why don't more anxious people consider that, they are just being irrational
icy cedar
basically turns off adrenal response
late swallow
i mean, i didn't whine about it on reddit, i powered through it, because I recog...
based self awareness enjoyer
cinder relic
Just be rational 
craggy barn
Why don't more anxious people consider that, they are just being irrational
oh fuck i have a clip for this
icy cedar
Why don't more anxious people consider that, they are just being irrational
lack of awareness
glass mortar
i think people are more worried about them dumbing things down to much
late swallow
i eat slop, sit on the computer all day, don't go outside, and have 0 social interaction
why am I anxious????
cinder relic
glass houses
gaunt phoenix
treading on a line here
fluid meadow
LFR today would be literal 9/11
lfr is fine xdd but when some peep legit can do 1% parse in a +8 and +10 with a spec at 660ilvl that's amazing
proven ocean
@vivid vessel lol
late swallow
lfr is fine xdd but when some peep legit can do 1% parse in a +8 and +10 with a ...
what is this details from?
gaunt phoenix
you want to laugh at anxious people like it's high school
proven ocean
zac
cinder relic
ppl suck at video games, what do u want me to say
craggy barn
i think people are more worried about them dumbing things down to much
there is some necessary toning down of some class complexity imo
wintry solar
I'm gonna try to get r1 parse in lfr
proven ocean
we wiped on mugzee 17% wwhile i was at 2.9m dps @vivid vessel
late swallow
you want to laugh at anxious people like it's high school
not what I'm doing
proven ocean
i nuked the shit out of him
craggy barn
but i doubt any of this will result in FFXIV style rotations
sinful pendant
raszageth lfr will always be my favorite moment in LFR, other than that i cba to q for it unless i gotta catch up
proven ocean
LOOOOOOOOOOL
like
imagine
before the goon adds spawning
and before 2 mins
i would've ended atleast 3.2m or 3.3m dps
fluid meadow
what is this details from?
it's lfr gally log
glass mortar
there is some necessary toning down of some class complexity imo
yes thats fair people just dont wanna go too far probably
also scary when ur spec literally gets named as an example of an "easy to point to" spec thats too hard to play without WA
listen its a new blizzard
the last time they said something like this
it was WoD
and they had just deleted demonology from existence
cinder relic
What?
glass mortar
so i have minor ptsd ok
late swallow
we'll all be in dragonflight classic waiting room
cinder relic
The wod example has nothing to do with the spec being hard what are u talking about
In wod they said straight up "We'd prefer if you didn't play demo" because they full reworked the spec in legion and said "we cba, it sucks we dont like it"
glass mortar
in wod, end of blackhand season, they nerfed demo by like 30% and said "this spec requires weak auras to optimize, wed rather u play the other specs"
that was
not the reason they gave at the time
they said it was because it required wa
young prism
,
cinder relic
The spec got a full rework in legion as well ]
cinder relic
If you watch the interview, they don't say "we are going to gut outlaw
glass mortar
like a full year
cinder relic
Nowhere did they say, or imply it
covert kestrel
Nowhere did they say, or imply it
eh they mention reining in the extreme outliers and outlaw being an example of that. that's all but an implication they want to simplify
runic bough
I would say outlaw is more of getting used to the speed of apm, more than it is difficult in learning rotation. We have a sequence like everyone else. It's just faster.
glass mortar
i just hope they dont go overboard with simplifying things
sinful pendant
i doubt they will gut ONLY outlaw for new players
icy cedar
they should gut outlaw, make it 3 abilities, builder, finisher, CD, but it make it even faster, 300 APM spec
cinder relic
eh they mention reining in the extreme outliers and outlaw being an example of t...
Lets read the actual quote
They say "How are you suppose to play outlaw with the way the base UI is set"
thats a great question, because you can't
late swallow
therein lies the rub
cinder relic
So whats the solution? They either need to buff the base UI (which is part of what they are doing)
late swallow
(really wanted to say that)
icy cedar
it sounds like he means discrete buffs for rerolling and KiR?
covert kestrel
Lets read the actual quote
this quote?
cinder relic
And then "Maybe the extreme outliers need to be reined in"
icy cedar
but says stacks instead
cinder relic
this quote?
This is dratnos
You guys know you can watch the interview right
It's not pay2view
covert kestrel
why do that when i can just shitpost with friends
late swallow
i mean, dratnos is implying that an outlier case (outlaw in this situation) might get simplified
how does ion respond?
sinful pendant
why would i watch 44 mins of things i cba to care about ngl
wintry solar
I'd rather take quotes out of context and come to my own conclusions
sinful pendant
real
runic bough
Storytime guys listen up
hasty warren
wait we can'r evade rik anymore ?
sinful pendant
look lets light the powder keg and disable addons
hasty warren
bug or feature ?
glass mortar
wait we can'r evade rik anymore ?
nope
hasty warren
whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
hollow temple
look lets light the powder keg and disable addons
yeah lets make the game unplayable 
desert tendon
i mean
glass mortar
get you someone that looks at you like max looks at dratnos talking about outlaw rogue
desert tendon
they ll simplify rogue
hollow temple
bug or feature ?
we don't know
desert tendon
they did it with boomie / mage / sp / disco
it s just a matters of time until rogue becomes a 3 buttons rotation on all specs with just tough minmax that s not even big gain
imo
wintry solar
They already started with SC
wintry copper
You mean like... Combat rogue
icy cedar
wait, when abilities are off the GCD will the Blizzard one-button rotation put them together or spread them out lol
amusing thought for sub
covert kestrel
outlaw simplifcation confirmed
yeah actually watching this clip makes me think outlaw simplification is definitely coming, thanks Guy!
bright crane
Sigma male Max
late swallow
max is a ligma male
runic bough
Guys
fluid meadow
adr drop rotation helper freeze gg
runic bough
Wait
hasty warren
we don't know
there is no communicarion about it ?
hollow temple
no
hasty warren
🙂
cinder relic
What the fuck do you want them to do
runic bough
Outlaw highly depends on IF they do a rework and IF they will include this simplification. (During its rework that it may or may not get).
cinder relic
Make a bluepost about it
hasty warren
so fun I was top 3 dps sunday, i'm last 3 now
cinder relic
The fuck you mean communication
hasty warren
The fuck you mean communication
I mean like normal game compagnie
sinful pendant
go to the wow community council forum and complain haha
bro i cannot finish that sentence without cracking uo
late swallow
when I'm in a defend blizzard competition and my opponent is Foreverguy
runic bough
We have no chance
cinder relic
I am the final boss
sinful pendant
cant name a more pointless feature
hollow temple
I mean like normal game compagnie
its 1 spell on 1 boss. report the bug and move on
brisk meadow
I mean you have to
bright crane
Guy the ultimate shareholder
brisk meadow
Since evasion doesnt work anymore
bright crane
His entire portfolio is MSFT stock
bright crane
Satya calls Guy up when he has big decisions to make
cinder relic
I am the one keeping killing spree bad
runic bough
Guy is baller and pro player likely high shareholder and game influencer shotcaller fr fr
true cove
I am the one keeping killing spree bad
how could you...
covert kestrel
I am the one keeping killing spree bad
thats why he has subtlety before outlaw on his discord tags! we've got him boys, lock em up
vivid vessel
I am the one keeping killing spree bad
i knew it
bright crane
Guy you gonna share a tier list in the earnings call today?
vivid vessel
cinder relic
I just hate when ppl make shit up thats all
and people on the internet are really good at making shit up
glass mortar
I am the one keeping killing spree bad
did the shareholders type this for you
trying to take the fall
bright crane
“The interest is for porn” and also for making stuff up
hasty warren
its 1 spell on 1 boss. report the bug and move on
1 more bug is negligeable considering the tons of bug we already have u're right
bright crane
Truer words never spoken
gaunt phoenix
they made kingsbane unable to be parried
late swallow
guy calling the board
runic bough
Damn so much we learned today guys
frank finch
gaunt phoenix
still no bf tho
glass mortar
archaic vanilla mechanic honestly
vivid vessel
<:HOLY:1250893440183570533> they made kingsbane unable to be parried
delete parry
thoughts ?
covert kestrel
I just hate when ppl make shit up thats all
me when the person im talking to reads between the lines 
hollow temple
thoughts ?
no
cinder relic
Some peoples brains work like clickbait articles.
Ion; "We think Outlaw is a good example of specs you can't play with the base UI. We we can either sand down some of the extreme complicated specs and also make the base UI better"
The internet; "ION CONFIRMS OUTLAW IS TURNING INTO BM HUNTER? OUTLAW BECOMING MADE FOR CASUAL LIBERALS?! OUTLAW NERF SOON?"
hollow temple
noob !
hollow temple
haha
late swallow
Some peoples brains work like clickbait articles.
Ion; "We think Outlaw is a go...
this but unironically
ION CONFIRMS OUTLAW IS TURNING INTO BM HUNTER? OUTLAW BECOMING MADE FOR CASUAL LIBERALS?! OUTLAW NERF SOON
pin it
vivid vessel
Some peoples brains work like clickbait articles.
Ion; "We think Outlaw is a go...
casual liberals..
bright crane
Some peoples brains work like clickbait articles.
Ion; "We think Outlaw is a go...
Made for Casual liberals made me lol
covert kestrel
Some peoples brains work like clickbait articles.
Ion; "We think Outlaw is a go...
screenshotted for when they gut* outlaw
not guy thats me being a silly goose
fathom bramble
imagine if PvP had the same base parry/dodge that we have in pve
quaint wharf
I am the one keeping killing spree bad
late swallow
bring back expertise and hit caps!!!!!!
fathom bramble
my static dodge chance is 15% rn
late swallow
please!!!!!!!!
fathom bramble
plus the 3% base parry chance
runic bough
Wot
quaint wharf
Sources told me rogue will have a tank spec that revolves around parry in midnight
hollow temple
rogue raid buff
cinder relic
Sources told me rogue will have a tank spec that revolves around parry in midnig...
I play tank in sod
hollow temple
frail veldt
but i think its cool that trickster makes the raid not parry
I thought it was only the rogue
cinder relic
I'm rank 1 tank in sod actually
coarse plover
It's outlaw with 1s gcd？
quaint wharf
I play tank in sod
Was it actually fun i never tried tank rogue in sod
glass mortar
sod is a turbo banger honestly
glass mortar
I thought it was only the rogue
its supposed to be only the rogue
cinder relic
🐐
late swallow
sod players are legit having the time of their lives right now
glass mortar
then it broke again
quaint wharf
glass mortar
now its everyone again
late swallow
sod looks super fun
hollow temple
yh
frail veldt
runic bough
SoD is where all the devs are maybe
hollow temple
@runic bough @icy cedar you guys are un-knowers??
frail veldt
yeah it says "your attacks"
hollow temple
yeah it says "your attacks"
we know what it says
frail veldt
cuz if it prevented parry
icy cedar
OH
hollow temple
telling you what it does
frail veldt
then it also should be giving the raid 5%
icy cedar
you meant on the enemy
frail veldt
so it might give the raid 5% damage too then
glass mortar
well
icy cedar
i thought you meant we were making our own raid unable to parry attacks
like some kinda bug
frail veldt
I dont see why it wouldnt
glass mortar
most melee have it built in to stack behind the boss but some of the bosses u cant i guess
icy cedar
yes i know about the dazed thing
frail veldt
if it also gives them no parry
frail veldt
no im saying unfazed debuff
glass mortar
why does this mechanic even exist
frail veldt
also increases damage taken by 5%
hollow temple
maybe 1-2%
glass mortar
no only the parry part effects others
frail veldt
since its the same aura
glass mortar
5% would be very very noticable
hollow temple
its only the parry ye
glass mortar
of just adding a trickster rogue to the raid buffed everyone by 5%
frail veldt
has anyone tested it lol
runic bough
Why am I an un-knower
cinder relic
not showing spec
It is showing spec
runic bough
vivid vessel
says rogue
cinder relic
This is tank spec
vivid vessel
uh
cinder relic
Classic doesn't have specs
glass mortar
classic rogue tank is def a vibe
it was my first 60
my shadow priest is close as well
heal mage is kinda fun
it needs alot of gear to work tho
runic bough
How the fuck do you guys have so much time to level sod and retail
glass mortar
sod levelings pretty fast
especially with all the powerleveling side things theyve added
fathom bramble
if your not at the top of the elitism helper your not playing trickster right
glass mortar
LUL
remote pecan
How the fuck do you guys have so much time to level sod and retail
they play with the bottom half of their talent trees 
compact mountain
if your not at the top of the elitism helper your not playing trickster right
I like topping the healing meters with KS
glass mortar
never die tho
glass mortar
its so funny stix feels just like that
i take so much fire puddle damage
cause our tanks dont move
but i never die before a wipe even once
covert kestrel
How the fuck do you guys have so much time to level sod and retail
unemployment final bosses hang out here
runic bough
Why do we think it's okay for an ability to take damage from teleporting not in our control and then make all the healers aware we have this ability?
Your fired!
All of you!
glass mortar
who thinks its ok
frail veldt
Why do we think it's okay for an ability to take damage from teleporting not in ...
no one thinks this is ok
glass mortar
brother have u read this channel once in the last 4 months
frail veldt
we have been complaining about KS from day 1
glass mortar
it wouldnt be a pleasant place if all we talked about was ks
frail veldt
when they first reworked the hero tree
runic bough
I'm just pulling your tail guys relax
covert kestrel
Your fired!
runic bough
glass mortar
u just cant complain forever
covert kestrel
You're*
glass mortar
only when guy is in here
fathom bramble
the feint complaints did overshadow KS for a bit there
but in hindsight I would rather cast feint as a generator than this
frail veldt
the feint complaints did overshadow KS for a bit there
well they werent gona rework it twice lolol
runic bough
Mewo when did you get so sensitive bro
glass mortar
well we didnt care that it was on kspree because we never had to engage with trickster
and everyone was fine with that xd
frail veldt
Mewo when did you get so sensitive bro
when did you get so defensive
fathom bramble
KS feedback has been basically the same since cataclysm
glass mortar
also feint was on the gcd back when they first showed us that so
frail veldt
Im just telling you the facts
runic bough
When tww came I got tilted really bad yeah
covert kestrel
sometimes i think mewo and ryu are gonna kiss 
frail veldt
he wishes
runic bough
Can we all relax
Get back to dreaming on abilities we wish were implemented
Instead of what we have
That's nice talks
runic bough
fathom bramble
Get back to dreaming on abilities we wish were implemented
Bloody adrenaline: Adrenaline rush now also grants increased damage equal to X% of your haste
frail veldt
Bloody adrenaline: Adrenaline rush now also grants increased damage equal to X% ...
LOL
a way for lust to be good for us would be nice
fathom bramble
and the mastery rework as well
Your single target melee attacks have a 30% chance to strike again with your off-hand for x% of the original damage dealt. All other ability damage is increased by y%.
the 2 strongest cooks
frail veldt
windfury?
runic bough
Bloody adrenaline: Adrenaline rush now also grants increased damage equal to X% ...
This would legit be our first dmg modifier from haste
daring oxide
Single Slasher: Sinister Strike now replaces all your abilities, and does varying amounts of damage based on the number of times you press it back to back. All other abilities are disabled.
runic bough
Haste currently is pointless for outlaw outside the haste tax.
fluid meadow
greedy pirate: during adr u steal every stat from your party members
fathom bramble
I think that has too many knock on effects for it to just be SS chance
frail veldt
I mean thats kinda the point
fathom bramble
it makes a low mastery setup play much worse and might create a situation where you try to cap your mastery
frail veldt
I think mastery as jsut an equivalent "do x more damage" is boring af
daring oxide
Our mastery should be multi strike
fathom bramble
would be ideal to just have SS chance be decent and static
runic bough
Single Slasher: Sinister Strike now replaces all your abilities, and does varyin...
Is this like a ff8 summon boost where you have to spam a button to boost its damage ooooooo
frail veldt
Our mastery should be multi strike
I mean it could still be tuned the same way it is now
fathom bramble
I think mastery as jsut an equivalent "do x more damage" is boring af
that's fair, but it is also the case that every DPS spec is this way
frail veldt
and do piss damage
fathom bramble
we are the only one left that doesn't just have % more damage with some fancy words on it
frail veldt
that's fair, but it is also the case that every DPS spec is this way
yeah and I think most of the masteries in this game are boring and a pointless stat
frail veldt
we are the only one left that doesn't just have % more damage with some fancy wo...
well we do
our mastery is literally "do % more damge"
its just very low
fathom bramble
it's not % more damage
that fact that it is a flat amount of damage is a very key issue with it
runic bough
Nah our mastery is tuned so low it doesn't matter at all
fathom bramble
that causes it to not scale with anything or scale with how well your playing
glass mortar
"cto buffs are no longer rolled away when pressing RtB"
fathom bramble
or scale with any new borrowed power we get
daring oxide
Yeah
teal wing
i have 2 targets, is it normal that i dealt more damage withonly bladeblurry to the off target than i did to my prio target
frail veldt
Yeah it doesnt become better the more of other stats we get
glass mortar
and "everytime oppurtunity fails to proc, the cost of sinister strike is reduced by 10 energy, up to 3 times"
frail veldt
well technically with haste it becomes better
covert kestrel
make outlaw a pet class with our salty dogs getting spawned from mastery
frail veldt
just at a very low scaling value
teal wing
should my prio target actually be my offtarget
fathom bramble
look at the other 2 rogue masteries, they scale borrowed power and hero talents every time
frail veldt
also with vers it becomes better
fathom bramble
and every tierset
frail veldt
just at a very low scaling value
hasty warren
i have 2 targets, is it normal that i dealt more damage withonly bladeblurry to...
pc ?
frail veldt
oh wait with crit it also becomes better actually
fathom bramble
and then our mastery usually doesn't interact with any borrowed power or tiersets of any kind
frail veldt
idk I think our mastery literaly is "do x % more damage" in theory
daring oxide
Tbh our mastery should just be finishers damage % increase, and you’d be rewarded immediately by playing well as good players on outlaw do way more finishers damage than your average joe
teal wing
yes
quaint wharf
mastery increases roll duration 
frail veldt
i have 2 targets, is it normal that i dealt more damage withonly bladeblurry to...
if you have precise cuts its normal
daring oxide
idk I think our mastery literaly is "do x % more damage" in theory
It’s not because it’s tied to a flat % proc rate on a weak hit that has poor scaling
glass mortar
Tbh our mastery should just be finishers damage % increase, and you’d be rewarde...
thats literally sub and sins mastery
they do like to keep things slightly flavored
gaunt phoenix
i have 2 targets, is it normal that i dealt more damage withonly bladeblurry to...
with precise cuts, BF damage is 112.5% on the other target with grand melee active
fathom bramble
Yeah it doesnt become better the more of other stats we get
scaling with borrowed power and other temporary mechanics like hero talents or tier is more what I meant
frail veldt
It’s not because it’s tied to a flat % proc rate on a weak hit that has poor sca...
I thought main gauche proc isnt normalized so the more hits you do the more procs you get
so the more cdr you get nad the more KS you do the more mg procs
teal wing
so i focus the off target?
daring oxide
thats literally sub and sins mastery
That’s fine, and that’s why their mastery is good because it’s useful when they play well right?
fathom bramble
consistently everytime they bring in a new system it makes mastery worse
glass mortar
That’s fine, and that’s why their mastery is good because it’s useful when they ...
its good because its tuned higher
never gaslight urself
our mastery could be good
they choose to keep it crap
fathom bramble
and mastery has very few interactions with what buttons your actually pressing
it's just static damage that is kind of there
glass mortar
it has some design wonkiness and id like to see it change
because itd make it less ugly if they buffed it
frail veldt
it's just static damage that is kind of there
yeah thats how most masteries are haha
glass mortar
but its bad because the ywant it to be bad
remote pecan
guys i'm soo torn rn, i've been staring at my vault for like an hour and still havnt chosen
glass mortar
🤷
fathom bramble
yeah thats how most masteries are haha
that's not really true
frail veldt
you want a good mastery that rewards specific elements of gameplay that are considered "skillfull"
like mastery that buffs bte specifically
covert kestrel
guys i'm soo torn rn, i've been staring at my vault for like an hour and still h...
try using hekili to pick for you?
fathom bramble
when you have a % increase to all holy damage dealt then your skillful play is doing something
compared to a mastery that just does damage passively
frail veldt
yeah thats a % increases to targeted stuff
not a flat % damage increase
some masteries are "you and your pet do X % more damage"
which is literally just vers without the dr
glass mortar
most masteries arent terribly skillful
vivid vessel
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
glass mortar
u could do one tho i wouldnt mind
fathom bramble
some masteries are "you and your pet do X % more damage"
this still has direct payoff with how your actually playing
glass mortar
WW mastery basically dictates their entire rotation
frail veldt
this still has direct payoff with how your actually playing
lol not when that includes all your damage...
fathom bramble
compared to a mastery that is passive damage that doesn't care which button you press
glass mortar
thats probably too far on the end of "impactful"
frail veldt
thats what that says lol
daring oxide
I want our mastery to change to:
Cannonball Barrage, Your abilities have a 30% chance to summon a ghost pirate ship fly by, carpet bombing your target with spectral cannon balls for masterystat % amount of damage over 3 seconds.
runic bough
Most classes get a ability damage % from mastery. Except outlaw.
frail veldt
it will affect a shitter and a pink parser the same
fathom bramble
no
glass mortar
our mastery is more passive then most sure
frail veldt
but anyway our mastery could be something like gun damage is increased
glass mortar
its not entirely of course
fathom bramble
if your pink parser is doing 3m then the mastery is doign 30% of that
glass mortar
good play will increase ur mastery damage
fathom bramble
fi they are doing 1m it's 30% of that
fathom bramble
so it's 300k or 900k
while our mastery is extremely static and not effected by play
daring oxide
Yes
daring oxide
That’s what I’m trying to say
frail veldt
even with skill is what most masteries are
quaint wharf
thats probably too far on the end of "impactful"
i feel like it gives the spec a cool playstyle tho, rather than oh attack damage lol
frail veldt
where they affect all skill levels the same
glass mortar
it does
fathom bramble
it's a mastery that does not interact with good play or any of the mechanics on our spec
quaint wharf
to me its more of a positive than a negative
frail veldt
our mastery becomes less valuable the better you are
glass mortar
well not entirely but yes
fathom bramble
it could be considered a positive as much as a negative to be fair
frail veldt
literally yes lol
glass mortar
a person playing better will do more mastery damage then a person playing worse
fathom bramble
but it's entirely unique and part of why our mastery is problematic in so many instances
plucky rose
have they fixed that bug in BF yet?
glass mortar
their mastery will be a lower % of their dps because all their numbers are going up by more
teal wing
no
frail veldt
a person playing better will do more mastery damage then a person playing worse
as a percentage no
glass mortar
but its not completely agnostic
quaint wharf
but it's entirely unique and part of why our mastery is problematic in so many i...
thats the word i was looking for
glass mortar
i said that
quaint wharf
unique
glass mortar
😠
frail veldt
but yeah so for example vers
affects all skill levels the same
its literally a flat damage increase
fathom bramble
it depends on how you view "the same"
frail veldt
10% vers is 10% vers if you do 1 mil or 3mil
frail veldt
it depends on how you view "the same"
proportionally obviously
otherwise you would end up with statements like "vers is more value in aoe"
chilly karma
for choosing talent tree on different bosses in lou, do you guys just usually switch between the reccomended wowhead talents or just stick to your preferred talent?
frail veldt
cuz you literally do more aoe damage
but obviously thats misleading
so proprotionally is the only thing that makes sense
chilly karma
cause currently i've not been using killing spree on any bosses but it's reccomended for some it says
runic bough
Vers also makes us more tanky while increasing our dmg. That's why it's so good.
Its the only thing we have.
That is good
teal wing
bro cooking again
frail veldt
I htink hes onto something
fathom bramble
at the end of the day the point is that mastery doesn't scale with good play or new spec mechanics
and that's a problem
frail veldt
AAAANyway I think a mastery that affects all skill levels the same(proportionally) is still boring
Id like one that affects better people more
like bte damage
or gun damage
that would mean that the better you play the more valuable mastery becomes
cuz more of your damage is bte damage
chilly karma
any outlaw raiders have a preference for talents or just switch between for bosses?
runic bough
Mastery increasing ps amd bte damage for mewo idea?
frail veldt
I just dont want a boring mastery like "Do X% more damage" cuz thats just another vers stat
without the dr
fathom bramble
Your single target melee attacks have a 30% chance to strike again with your off-hand for x% of the original damage dealt. All other ability damage is increased by y%.
frail veldt
Your single target melee attacks have a 30% chance to strike again with your off...
I mean thats also just vers damage
remote pecan
any outlaw raiders have a preference for talents or just switch between for boss...
play ST build on every boss except stix basically
frail veldt
might as well just read "do X % more damage"
fathom bramble
the suggestion is literally what your asking for
frail veldt
its not
frail veldt
im asking for it to target SPECIFIC abilities
chilly karma
play ST build on every boss except stix basically
i am using keep it rolling currently on my st, is it not good anymore as i don't see it reccomended for any bosses on wowhead
daring oxide
Mastery increasing ps amd bte damage for mewo idea?
That would be bad because if they made changes so an outlaw build that doesn’t favour bte or pistol shot becomes a thing and tier set doubling down on that then our mastery becomes poo poo
fathom bramble
it's 2 different boosts
frail veldt
which would mean that 10% mastery is more PROPORTIONAL value the better you play
teal wing
i play ho sc trickster every boss
frail veldt
sure
if it targets specific skills that increase in value the bette ryou play
then thats good
remote pecan
i am using keep it rolling currently on my st, is it not good anymore as i don't...
There are Trickster builds for both KiR and HO - read FAQ, the only boss you basically have to play fatebound is Sprocket Mythic
frail veldt
increase proportionally
daring oxide
There are Trickster builds for both KiR and HO - read FAQ, the only boss you bas...
And mugzee
chilly karma
alright will try to read up on it, thank you
frail veldt
curious what they land on though if they ever do rework mastery
teal wing
real outlaws play trickster on these aswell
chilly karma
thats what i was doing LOL
frail veldt
it does sound like otulaw is on their radar for "changes" but im kinda scared lowkey with their intended goals
it could be good
fathom bramble
hopefully not something that causes significant rotational issues like % gun damage
frail veldt
it could be dumpster fire
glass mortar
just make it a reskinned vers with solid tuning thats flavorful for us
glass mortar
masteries that are serious are super rare
remote pecan
i played trickster on sprocket (my raid was pre warned) very funny
frail veldt
just make it a reskinned vers with solid tuning thats flavorful for us
thats soooo lame though
vivid vessel
just 1 min earlier
glass mortar
we dont need one for it to be good
frail veldt
better than what we have
glass mortar
who cares
vivid vessel
i hate blizzard no cap
fathom bramble
it's doomed
frail veldt
but thats such wasted potential to me
glass mortar
outlaw has more then enough going on
frail veldt
maybe not for long
fathom bramble
I think the more creative you try to get with mastery the more likely it is to be mega shit
runic bough
Nah
frail veldt
also the more likely it is to be a banger
you can go safe route
and just make it vers 2.0
fathom bramble
warrior use to have a mastery like ours and they fixed it to be the same theme
coarse plover
!bugs
ornate heathBOT
[Outlaw bug Thread](#1276315296159760467 message)
fathom bramble
but not shit
glass mortar
MW mastery is certain spells proc a direct heal on targets and that heals power scales with mastery
frail veldt
or you can have it be fun
glass mortar
it does not impact their gameplay
runic bough
Anything else would be better than the mastery we have now honestly
glass mortar
it is interesting and unique and should arguably scale with player skill
instead it is simply
garbage in raid
meh in dungeons
u dont need a fancy mastery
frail veldt
its great in pvp lol
cinder relic
we still stop dps
Just do sales
glass mortar
just give me something effective
fathom bramble
there isn't a single dps mastery that that actually ended up being a banger though
they all are %vers with a fancy hat on
glass mortar
i mean
frail veldt
they changed mw direction pretty severely with ancient teachings
fathom bramble
or are terrible
glass mortar
WW monks mastery defines the flow of their whole rotation
thats kinda a banger no or
frail veldt
yeah that ones great
fathom bramble
no
quaint wharf
banger
covert kestrel
kek
frail veldt
ww monk mastery is super cool and unique
runic bough
What does ww mastery say?
frail veldt
not a vers 2.0
fathom bramble
I disagree with the idea that the monk mastery actually effects your rotation since you do the same thing at 0 or 200% mastery
glass mortar
yes because its so strong baseline
fathom bramble
it's a passive that gives you damage that you play accordingly
frail veldt
I disagree with the idea that the monk mastery actually effects your rotation si...
theres reasons not to if your mastery was low enough technically
fathom bramble
but yes mastery makes it stronger
frail veldt
ALSO it does affect it
glass mortar
wait you want a mastery that changes ur gameplay based on mastery %?
nobody in the game has one of those
frail veldt
cuz for low damage spells you might not care
covert kestrel
I disagree with the idea that the monk mastery actually effects your rotation si...
do you think secondary stats should change rotation?
glass mortar
that would be wholey unique
frail veldt
wait you want a mastery that changes ur gameplay based on mastery %?
dont think so
fathom bramble
wait you want a mastery that changes ur gameplay based on mastery %?
and no one should
frail veldt
but not sure theyre haste mainly now