Like the ads in RK after first boss that suck you in, im always afraid of Ksing, but im not sure if I'll get dmg there
#outlaw
sullen wyvern
vivid vessel
For some reason the bumps in first area drc are like that
zealous plinth
You send on gorechop too no matter what zac? 🤣
vivid vessel
Dfc
zealous plinth
Like the ads in RK after first boss that suck you in, im always afraid of Ksing,...
I always send there
Never died due to it
vivid vessel
You send on gorechop too no matter what zac? 🤣
Gorechop I'm still trying to figure out what the max efficiency greed is
Cause I managed to fit some ks in between 2 thingies
It's kinda Pog
novel socket
Gorechop I'm still trying to figure out what the max efficiency greed is
feint during his aoe and eat it
so you dont lose uptime
zealous plinth
Gorechop hooks is most aids for KS imo
novel socket
oh
zealous plinth
Cause even if you send After you passed it jumps in them
vivid vessel
The AOE you just hit them it's fine
Idk
You have timings
Where you can send
Based on boss position
I think
It's weird
Also I think you could cheese it and send on adds so you jump less far
zealous plinth
Yeah but I still Wonder sometimes if I should just send low cp instead of hold a bit longer xD
sullen wyvern
In gorechop I ksed, got hooked by the moving wall, i thought it would cancel the ability, but once the hook was over the KS animation kept going, teleporting me back to the boss while still having the bleed and receiving the KS damage. Weirdest shit ever.
vivid vessel
Send low cps
Always better than holding
But also most of the times you can send a low cp ks
You can send a high cp one
You are just a pussy no capo
zealous plinth
I thought about making a weakaura which tells me if KS finished before mechanic hits 🤣
gaunt phoenix
look
sullen wyvern
Also in FG if you get nailed by those ads that go on the scalfold for some reason KS bugs out.
jolly geyser
always does for me
proven ocean
jolly geyser
then I get nailed
sullen wyvern
KS should remove the root, but you're still rooted and KS is wasted there
grim spear
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
marble sorrel
so with gm fix i can delete the gm snapshot wa right?
gaunt phoenix
ye
vivid vessel
Also in FG if you get nailed by those ads that go on the scalfold for some reaso...
Can evasion those
jolly geyser
took my 1 socket today, but I didnt feel like playing all week so I just did raid and 1 m+
hasty warren
yo
daring oxide
Solo y u no fix outlaw
he kinda made two fixes with his pins ya know
sullen wyvern
Can evasion those
Pre evasion?
vivid vessel
Just evasion if you are targeted
If you get targeted mid ks
Chance are it finishes anyway
proven ocean
Can evasion those
Wait really
proven ocean
vivid vessel
You didn't know zeorss?
I guess it's less obvious when. You play assa
You can't press evasion on cd
proven ocean
Nah I knew I just wanted to see how it feels that you know something I didn’t know
vivid vessel
As outlaw I just press evasion whenever I'm targeted by something so
vivid vessel
Nah I knew I just wanted to see how it feels that you know something I didn’t kn...
Ok
proven ocean
Jk I didn’t know Zac
vivid vessel
Ross
sullen wyvern
Oohhh didn't notice the GM thing was fixed
vivid vessel
Ok wtf
proven ocean
Zac
vivid vessel
Ro
proven ocean
Ac
sullen wyvern
Just evasion if you are targeted
Thanks
vivid vessel
Np cuh
sullen wyvern
Very nice wisdom
Very cool
They're fixing stuff but they won't post anything.
Kinda annoying
gaunt phoenix
this is very common
we just happen to have a reason to watch the silent hotfixes atm
proven ocean
@vivid vessel
jolly geyser
what they got
sullen wyvern
what they got
With the wither ICD change they received, now if you have 2 or more warlocks using wither in a target, it overwrites constantly making them lose a bunch of dmg
Basically you can't have more than one warlock in a group if both are hellcaller
jolly geyser
With the wither ICD change they received, now if you have 2 or more warlocks usi...
well that sounds awful in raid
still matrix
Only rings aren’t
thats wild, ill sim crit vers, need to craft today...
proven ocean
Well I am doing it with jastor diamond
still matrix
proven ocean
And crit sims very high on all situations with dashing
still matrix
does assa generally just sim way lower on st that outlaw
my st sim for assa is like 1.8 at 669
i guess im simming without buffs actually
tiny crystal
!log
still matrix
legit
dim ruin
yo, why are so few people playing outlaw according to the logs?
I'm currently figuring out what spec to go with and I'm wondering why I shouldn't go Outlaw
gaunt phoenix
unless outlaw is tuned well it is usually unpopular
tends to be seen as hard to play (true) or a meme RNG spec (not really)
dim ruin
weird, the stats show it's decent, isn't it?
covert kestrel
Outlaw sims are the biggest sim bait of all time
dim ruin
I assume high damage variation between pulls sometimes due to RNJesus hating you?
covert kestrel
I assume high damage variation between pulls sometimes due to RNJesus hating you...
Nah not that bad
dim ruin
meaning you can stay consistently?
gaunt phoenix
outlaw is good
unpopularity is mostly perception based
novel socket
and because its hard to play
dim ruin
idk beyond an RTB WA in the center of the screen it seems very straight forward (leveled with it to 80 last week)
gaunt phoenix
there are times in bleeding edge content where outlaw will struggle
novel socket
i think he is pretty good in progress if your comp is not strugging in burst so you need the rogue to be sub
and the bosses do not have forced downtime
gaunt phoenix
oh also this tier you have to use killing spree xd
gaunt phoenix
which perhaps contributes to people not liking it
dim ruin
I love killing spree
gaunt phoenix
ye you wont
jolly geyser
wish cloak was on restless
gaunt phoenix
the cooldown is very low (like 17 seconds average)
exotic grail
wish cloak was on restless
that would be insane
dim ruin
lmao
glass mortar
Cloak is a 2m cd and kspre is like a 15s cd
gaunt phoenix
so it is quickly a lot of overhead to use ks and not let it kill you
glass mortar
So enjoy
dim ruin
yeah I see, but still
jolly geyser
that would be insane
tadah,buff
fierce trout
Are yall actually running KS?
dim ruin
the animations look fun
glass mortar
U have no choice if you wanna do aoe
glass mortar
the animations look fun
It isnt
But it seems like it is for the first week u play it
Until u start doing real content with it
fierce trout
U have no choice if you wanna do aoe
That's not true
dim ruin
it looks super dope on dracthyr, so do all the ambush ones
jolly geyser
I played with ks in wotlk,wasnt fun to watch then
gaunt phoenix
trickster is way too strong to ignore
jolly geyser
killed stuff quick though
glass mortar
So yea
novel socket
I played with ks in wotlk,wasnt fun to watch then
yeah but in wotlk
you could go in pvp
press ks
jolly geyser
arp
novel socket
and nuke someone
dim ruin
could I, in theory, craft 2 everforged longsword?
gaunt phoenix
yes crafted gear is not unique
late swallow
Reddit greenparse rogues gaming
fierce trout
Depends on what you're running, I don't push past +12s
dim ruin
sweet, ty
late swallow
fierce trout
I'm doing just fine with HO-FB-SC
glass mortar
I mean regardless of the difficulty of content ur doing a 17% aoe loss is too massive to ignore really
jolly geyser
you could go in pvp
nothing like 90%+ armor pen
glass mortar
Especially since kspree Is far safer in keys in the range ur talking about
late swallow
Depends on what you're running, I don't push past +12s
You’re still doing like 17% less damage in 12s
glass mortar
Then it is on the high end
fierce trout
I mean regardless of the difficulty of content ur doing a 17% aoe loss is too ma...
How many people getting that 17% perfectly every time?
late swallow
glass mortar
All 17%? Probably not many in very hard content
In like 10s tho u can throw that thing on cd
So probably most
fierce trout
Just because it Sims well doesn't mean you're getting it
late swallow
If you’re pressing KS relatively decently on cooldown you’ll be like 10% ahead right there
glass mortar
17% is big enough even if ur playing not close to perfect ur still way ahead
gaunt phoenix
this is true but 17% is like two shadowlands legendary items
You can certainly unequip them and time keys but
glass mortar
17% is almost a 5th of ur whole spec strength in aoe man
This isn't like a 5 or even 10% gap
gaunt phoenix
we argue about 0.5% rotation changes
late swallow
Fatebound is fine in like singletarget patchwerk with 0 ads
novel socket
5% is insane what you mean
late swallow
Ie. one fight this tier
novel socket
did you forget where you are
we do the most degen shit to get like a 0.2% dps increase
glass mortar
yea i mean, in 10s u can time stuff as w/e
u could probably take off a quarter of ur gear
and time a 10
doesnt change that willinginly taking a dps loss that massive is a bit oof
late swallow
dim ruin
another question: how high is the outlaw skill ceiling really? Can I, with perfect execution, out-DPS 20ilvl diff?
cause that's always the most fun thing to do in MMOs ngl
late swallow
Unironically, outlaw is probably the hardest melee in the game rn
glass mortar
no the spec isnt strong enough
we are mid in terms of tuning
the ceiling is high in that u are not very likely to hit ur sim dps playing as an average outlaw
dim ruin
oh no, I mean both being rogues
novel socket
wow is not a game where high ceilling gameplay rewards you
late swallow
Really high skill ceiling with pretty low reward atm
dim ruin
not compared to other classes
novel socket
glass mortar
the spec is hard to pull off in raid, especially the st kir builds
novel socket
devoker is like a 5 button rotation and does top dps
gaunt phoenix
ye i mean outlaw is a fair bit of work to do good enough dmg
there is skill expression sure
it's fun tho
to us
dim ruin
I mean, I had the most fun while leveling
swapped out to Sin because the stats and skill expression looked higher
gaunt phoenix
outlaw doesnt burst or doesnt execute or whatever
you just kinda bring constant dmg
young prism
we are just %0.5 of the players guys
glass mortar
sin is considered by many to be the best entry level rogue spec
young prism
you know that right ? 😄
glass mortar
lower floor, theres is skill ceiling (mostly in high keys aoe tho), and fairly entry level st rotation
sullen wyvern
sin is considered by many to be the best entry level rogue spec
ofc, 3 business days for a GCD to be ready
dim ruin
so that hasn't changed then... it did seems that way
like, last time I played hard was early WoD, back when Subtlety was still one of the craziest brainfucks of a spec
gaunt phoenix
sin in keys is fairly interesting and nuanced i think
dim ruin
lmao
late swallow
sin in keys is fairly interesting and nuanced i think
dim ruin
I mean, the issue with Sin is that you either do decent AoE or decent ST, and you just suck in the other
like, I ran it in a few HCs, and it just felt like I was constantly behind
always felt like I was playing it wrongly
idk
sullen wyvern
HC dungeons?
dim ruin
yeah, I literally dinged 80 on this rogue 2 days ago
sullen wyvern
well of course
you gotta ramp up as assa
shit is gonna die before you fully ramp your damage
gaunt phoenix
yeah that's not super representative of what happens when you are geared/in competitive content
dim ruin
true
gaunt phoenix
sin is very strong rn
dim ruin
but the playstyle just felt kinda weird and clunky
sullen wyvern
because it is compared to outlaw
outlaw is the highest APM spec atm if I am not mistaken
jolly geyser
its not
sullen wyvern
Fury might be a clsoe second
gaunt phoenix
well our gcd is 0.8s
dim ruin
oh nvm then lol
gaunt phoenix
- a bunch of things off the global
wintry solar
but the playstyle just felt kinda weird and clunky
And old
gaunt phoenix
so ye
jolly geyser
prot pala
sullen wyvern
never played the pink class before
gaunt phoenix
but tanks do feel very busy even if they are not literally outlaw apm
jolly geyser
also isnt prot warr fast also
late swallow
Pwar and ppal are pretty high
sullen wyvern
I play prot warr too, is not even close to outlaw
late swallow
Basically the same as law
sullen wyvern
nah
dim ruin
I had to stop playing prot warr after I got into Blackout Combo Brewmaster
novel socket
protection warrior was reworked to have less apm
dim ruin
high recommendation
sullen wyvern
it really isnt, specially in single target
novel socket
it was actually above outlaw
late swallow
Ah I didn’t know about the rework
jolly geyser
aug evoker highest apm
cinder summit
!up
ornate heathBOT
heady python
Has the blade flurry bug been fixed yet?
slate plaza
No
heady python
Fml
heady python
Goofy ahh game
peak dock
Has the blade flurry bug been fixed yet?
Fuck, i want to push keys !!
robust bolt
well all we can do is keep putting pressure on some the dev, we're goddamn outlaw players and we will be heard 😛 if they like it or not
peak dock
Maybe its a good moment to uncap outlaw
vivid vessel
Fuck, i want to push keys !!
bug been here for 10 years
i think you can still do keys
agile orchid
uncap outlaw so we remove the risk of bugs 
slate plaza
bug been here for 10 years
That’s a joke right 💀
vivid vessel
no
slate plaza
How come we weren’t feeling or noticing it till now
vivid vessel
Ww were
agile orchid
we just assumed it was a skill issue
slate plaza
💀
slate plaza
So I’ve been like secretly 5 target capped for years
vivid vessel
In df we started seeing weird shit
slate plaza
And fury is fucking complaining
vivid vessel
In tww with stuffs like Ara Kara first pull
It was
Idk
We noticed definitely
And brew was the nail in the coffin
vivid vessel
y
slate plaza
Makes sense how I did less dps than the vdh on first two pulls there
timber knoll
is algari alchemist stone any good? Sims a lot higher than my current trinket of signet and geargrinder's
robust bolt
my hopes are that the articles wowhead brought out, will put some extra pressure to fix that crap
sullen wyvern
There are still 2 bugs with BF right now right?
The one with trickster and the dead mob ones
brisk meadow
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
Pre-key fuckery
RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.- DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not
AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points. - After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
- Before entering the first pack
BF into 
Stealth. - Open on pack with AR into
BtE.
twilit rivet
the noggenfogger trinket got nerfed right?
stiff hawk
Yes
twilit rivet
👍
gaunt phoenix
The one with trickster and the dead mob ones
Yes
fazed idk i have a feeling they wont budge on it
cause you can argue its intended but i dont agree with it
leaden folio
can old outlaw remember me, when we have the smokebomb reducing aoe dmg for the raid (pve)
lone spear
was that in mop?
leaden folio
it should be before pvp get it, so it might be legion or mop ye
sullen wyvern
I guess they dont wanna mess with the fazed + BF bug, might have the same issues as snapshotting with GM
might be 'working as intended'
cinder relic
Smoke bomb got turned into darkness
sullen wyvern
cinder relic
Because smoke bomb was really, really broken
leaden folio
it was that one https://www.wowhead.com/spell=76577/smoke-bomb , so wod ?
lone spear
be thankful outlaw doesnt need our enrage soothe for damage
leaden folio
bro imagine 1 moment
fluid meadow
more useful dmg, hitting dead targets and affix
leaden folio
you dont need a dk to grab/hook enemy
because you have smoke
so the ennemy comming to you
sullen wyvern
lone spear
it would effectively be a mass grip
which i mean, is so op they wont give to dps dks
so they fuck over the blood tree
cinder relic
Its way better than mass grip lol
leaden folio
more skilled to
coral onyx
dont need to bug fix blade flurry if they just uncap it 
leaden folio
you are a grp
lone spear
better in coordinated groups
leaden folio
yea
lone spear
1 idiot stands outside it
leaden folio
doesnt work
lone spear
and he could just get blasted and die
unborn basin
why did they cap blade flurry in the first place?
leaden folio
and the smokebomb dont infinite duration
so skill issue
woaw
imagine bring class fantasy and fix the fact that dk are alone to do something
lone spear
why did they cap blade flurry in the first place?
its not an "only us" thing, they capped a bunch of abilities
cinder relic
why did they cap blade flurry in the first place?
Because in SL they wanted to curb mass aoe pulls by capping every spec in the game.
unborn basin
is everyone aoe capped?
leaden folio
Because in SL they did everything to ruin everypiece of fun in the game
frigid breach
Outlaw was insanely OP in BfA
vivid vessel
and they kinda forgot to uncap oultaw after sl
cinder relic
is everyone aoe capped?
Most spells are capped in some way
leaden folio
they kinda remember to remove our +3 range
lone spear
i mean its not bad that our constant aoe is 8 targets
its that other specs have constant aoe that is uncapped
for some reason
sullen wyvern
^
slate plaza
they kinda remember to remove our +3 range
Don’t mention Acro in these parts
vivid vessel
Sustained AOE isn't even good xd
slate plaza
It causes us to get depressed
lone spear
we do need something akin to a burst button
leaden folio
you have KS now 
lone spear
we kinda been saying for a while
cinder relic
we do need something akin to a burst button
No
vivid vessel
we do need something akin to a burst button
why
slate plaza
Outlaws identity has always a flat profile
cinder relic
Go play sin or sub then
lone spear
but having someothing that we can throw out
vivid vessel
because its fun to burst
play any other spec in the game kekw?
lone spear
for a nice chunk of damage
slate plaza
I like starting a raid fight near the bottom and slowly climbing up
lone spear
OH TRUUUE
leaden folio
sin have execute
lone spear
why didnt i think of that
ill just play a spec that doesnt have the outlaw gameplay/fantasy i like
sullen wyvern
being the spec of 'sustained dmg' and being aoe capped at the same time is kinda 
imo
lone spear
so i can actually have something bursty that feels good
cinder relic
Yes
vivid vessel
ill just play a spec that doesnt have the outlaw gameplay/fantasy i like
well one of the bigest atrait of outlaw is not having cds so
its like outlaw thing
pearl trout
playing burst classes feel so depressing
you start at top busting everythin and you end up playing the classic version of your class
lone spear
well one of the bigest atrait of outlaw is not having cds so
also i understand this, but doesnt mean i agree with it
i would be fine with a flat profile IF we didnt need full uptime
since thats double punishing if we have downtime
OR no or actually thats it
you either decouple the smooth, fun outlaw gameplay from adrenaline rush
so that the fun isnt decreased as well as the damage
vivid vessel
I mean they keep adding stuffs that punish downtime even more and more
tbf
thats like diff issue
lone spear
moving us towards the regular burst would help
like enhance also likes uptime, but the gameplay isnt doodoo dogwater if i dont have 100% dog uptime
civic void
moving us towards the regular burst would help
I hope they never push toward making all classes 2 min cds ngl
vivid vessel
jsut give back energy?
lone spear
exactly
vivid vessel
why do i have to keep saying that
everyokne know the issue is that they gutted energy
why are we inventing other issues
lone spear
because they reworked the spec
cinder relic
Yeah this issue never existed back during bfa
lone spear
to make 100% uptime AR
vivid vessel
Yeah this issue never existed back during bfa
you know what i mean so i wont even interact
lone spear
because they wanted an even flatter profile
making us burstier would solve the issue
i.e making AR an actual cooldown
vivid vessel
Clearly something changed with energy in s3
lone spear
or giving us sumthin
vivid vessel
Let's not act dumb
cinder relic
When ar was 50% uptime it also wasn't a cooldown
lone spear
sorry im being annoying
cinder relic
Very normal for this channel
covert kestrel
Very normal for this channel
vivid vessel
i love cooldowns
lone spear
i mean it doesnt need to be arcane mage
leaden folio
woltk thing
covert kestrel
lets change outlaw into a burst spec
burst spec with empowered spells 
leaden folio
doin random thing, but just press KS on cooldown
civic void
Tbf they could make it a burst spec without cds
leaden folio
KS big burst
lone spear
im asking for something to make it so that if i get a mechanic in raid
vivid vessel
yep yep i love my cooldowns
lone spear
i dont just be like "welp im fucked"
vivid vessel
im asking for something to make it so that if i get a mechanic in raid
BRING BACK HAVING ENERGY
civic void
But then that's legion outlaw where you just hope for a 5 rolls and that's it
cinder relic
U know mechanics can happen during cooldowns right
And then you'd be complaining about the exact same thing
nova basin
why cant we just have insane burst, insane sustain, uncapped aoe, all the energy and smoke bomb with red buff killing spree.
lone spear
it FEELS bad to play
vivid vessel
ENERGY
leaden folio
I use KS, got stun by piece on bandit
cinder relic
why cant we just have insane burst, insane sustain, uncapped aoe, all the energy...
True
vivid vessel
IM BLOCKED
lone spear
BROTHER I SEE U
cinder relic
it FEELS bad to play
This has been an issue since legion
When ar was like 40% uptime
leaden folio
Legion was super fun
vivid vessel
BROTHER I SEE U
then how come you arent understanding
leaden folio
before
lone spear
what u want me to do
keen belfry
I swear guy is baiting
leaden folio
everything on cdr
vivid vessel
when we had energy by default
lone spear
ask john blizz to change it?
cinder relic
I swear guy is baiting
Nothing I'm saying is bait
vivid vessel
ask john blizz to change it?
what are you doing rn?
cinder relic
People just don't understand things and get very mad about it
glass mortar
Ur never gunna get people to want a real cd
keen belfry
If I were to guess guy actually understands what this conversation is about and agrees with it he’s just being a contrarian again
glass mortar
Part of outlaws draw has always been the linear damage
Just gotta make it less punishing around that
vivid vessel
my favorite thing lately is when we call guy a contrarian
vivid vessel
get out of here contrarian person !
leaden folio
keen belfry
I don't know why disagreeing with Zac makes me a contrarian
Aren’t you talking with someone else not Zac 😭
lone spear
we're saying the same thing zac
i just think the solution is better
if we just got burst
cinder relic
Aren’t you talking with someone else not Zac 😭
He's the one the started the topic?
keen belfry
I guess I’m just reading your wink rebuttals
covert kestrel
bring back outlaw thematic
cinder relic
Maybe 120% buff uptime
leaden folio
bring back outlaw thematic
yea right
cinder relic
Maybe 80% opportunity chance?
vivid vessel
Yeh outlaw needs 300% ar uptime
cant go above 100% noob
cinder relic
Maybe we need red buff ks again
leaden folio
pirate
lone spear
class fantasy
been sayin this
civic void
Mention acro !
keen belfry
This is peak arguing by guy
lone spear
whats funny is guy
keen belfry
You’re cooking rn with acro tho
lone spear
it wouldnt even be that bad
vivid vessel
i forgot what we were arguing about
covert kestrel
Killing spree is now gangplank ult from League, we can now enter a pirate ship during combat where we cant attack but can interact and AR doesn't tickdown
leaden folio
Killing spree is now gangplank ult from League, we can now enter a pirate ship d...
no
keen belfry
Am I insane for thinking it’s crazy to think outlaws 100% uptime reliance is not comparable to getting mechanics during your cds
vivid vessel
Am I insane for thinking it’s crazy to think outlaws 100% uptime reliance is not...
idk what this means
leaden folio
remove canonball barrage
lone spear
Am I insane for thinking it’s crazy to think outlaws 100% uptime reliance is not...
yea i agree
leaden folio
if only they buff canonball barage and not remove it
vivid vessel
but cds are 10% of a fight
not 100%
so
if you get mechs during cds maybe dont be a noob
keen belfry
Someone here was saying you get fucked by having to not hit boss as outlaw, then guy was like “yeah but what if u get mechs during cds” and I was like bruh those ain’t the same
vivid vessel
he was being a contrarian there tbf
timber knoll
so how do we know when / if they fixed one of our bugs
vivid vessel
i didnt even need to answer that one
leaden folio
so how do we know when / if they fixed one of our bugs
test on live server
because communication/ptr is for shit
nova basin
rework Parley spell, when not actively attacking something in combat you slowly build a damage or CDR buff which then slowly depleats when actively attacking.
torpid fiber
Someone here was saying you get fucked by having to not hit boss as outlaw, then...
tbf ppl who don't play outlaw it's hard to understand just how fucked up outlaw is
keen belfry
Yeah I agree with that
leaden folio
the talent replace acro is actually pure shit
hollow temple
so how do we know when / if they fixed one of our bugs
simc usually catches any spelldata changes
once someone sees it there, someone tests in game
covert kestrel
tbf ppl who don't play outlaw it's hard to understand just how fucked up outlaw ...
everytime my friends watch me outlaw there is at least one genuine "...wtf is outlaw"
keen belfry
Everytime I play a non outlaw spec I’m like man this is just so much better and less cringe
glass mortar
We r more flexible then we were in df
torpid fiber
everytime my friends watch me outlaw there is at least one genuine "...wtf is ou...
Yeah but it's addictive
leaden folio
tried to be a sub this patch, actually sub is cringe too
covert kestrel
Everytime I play a non outlaw spec I’m like man this is just so much better and ...
except for fun when you dont have to sweat
glass mortar
If we could decouple this need for ar and uhuh chaining
warm remnant
not a single spec in the game that can give me the dopamine of 10 crackshot resets in a row
glass mortar
It would be so much more flexible
hybrid crown
I like uhuh
glass mortar
I dont
torpid fiber
I got a friend to try outlaw once and they were like "I can't imagine playing this spec as an alt"
hybrid crown
They should let us stealth in vehicles though that sounds silly
past falcon
also the constant mobility and defensives is addicting
keen belfry
We r more flexible then we were in df
I mean I’m more flexible than I was 2 years ago but my hips are still tight af
glass mortar
Breath of Cindy ass gameplay
past falcon
i think id like sin a lot more if i didnt feel like a fucking wet noodle
lone spear
its breath of cindy
if breath generated runes and RP
and without it your spec plays like classic wow
(ok tbf frost dk does play like classic sometimes but you know what i mean 
)
torpid fiber
BatChest
lavish geyser
Why can you no longer use evasion? Is this deliberate or a stray?
lavish geyser
Fucking clowns honestly
I know it’s a non issue really
But evasion has always worked on physical hits
vivid vessel
But evasion has always worked on physical hits
thats not really true
it works on some stuffs if you are lucky
leaden folio
UNTIL NOW
lone spear
evasion is a cheeky little guy
lavish geyser
thats not really true
Semantics
Good to see they are fixing critical things, still….will take the GM fix
pearl trout
press evasion, enter the mechanic, and just start taking notes where it works
lone spear
tis our way
silent marsh
Ye but what now
nova basin
not been on this discord long but the rogue chats are unlike any other class discords ahaha... this is 90% talking about known bugs 😛
hollow temple
welcome to hell 
lone spear
the other 10% is talking about changes that will never happen
remote pecan
not been on this discord long but the rogue chats are unlike any other class dis...
thats because outlaw is 90% bugs 
, we're always either abusing them or having to play around them.
covert kestrel
not been on this discord long but the rogue chats are unlike any other class dis...
yeah but most other class discords are cringe and inactive. at least we're active
(and also tbf we had two major bug finds this week so it will be the talk of the metaphorical town)
lone spear
its ok, 11.1.7 ptr soon, with notes announcing that outlaw will be getting big changes in 11.2 and until then we can enjoy the killing spree fix wox suggested
leaden folio
???
11.1.5 is not even release properly
the patch note not even on the launcher
you have the number of 11.1.5 on your game, but there is only 1/3 of the feature
mighty pivot
they will timegate the changes. One change every 2 weeks
trail star
inc 11.1.6
leaden folio
just toying with the vibe of "pre-release"
they advertise so much the 11.1.5, everyone think it was this month
but no, it was only a bad marketing trap
mighty pivot
content wasn't ready 
lone spear
its crazy that its a month after the patch for visions
like 2 weeks would be pushing it
but a whole ass month?
🛌
tight egret
Why can you no longer use evasion? Is this deliberate or a stray?
Have we confirmed evasion still works?
runic bough
Suck bs
runic bough
Gsw only works on 1 ps
leaden folio
Have we confirmed evasion still works? <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
doin rik this morning, got stun 3 time because I can believe they do it
lone spear
oh you mean let it work on all 3 from fth
runic bough
Gsw should not be handicapped to just 1 ps
tight egret
doin rik this morning, got stun 3 time because I can believe they do it
Oh, I know it doesn't work on Rik. I'm the one that found that out. I'm talking about evasion working on anything lol
lone spear
i mean, greenskins also just doesnt work with current outlaw
runic bough
Also yes so many gsw go to waste
hybrid crown
Wait you can't evasion the amplifier aoe any more???
lone spear
ye no evasion goomba stomp
hybrid crown
Booooo
tender breach
BF - GM bug is fixed right?
tender breach
so its BF - dead targets now
covert kestrel
so its BF - dead targets now
cinder relic
and fazed, but faze could be intentional
digital linden
is the change to evasion intentional?
tight egret
and fazed, but faze could be intentional
What's the fazed one again?
lone spear
is the change to evasion intentional?
we dont know because no notes
so it depends if you're cynical or not 
cinder relic
What's the fazed one again?
BF/NF dont work with fazed
vivid vessel
and fazed, but faze could be intentional
ye but the fact they actually spent dev time making ks apply it in aoe
cause reminder, ks is an st spell that just cleaves
so the fact fazed is applied in aoe by it
was actual work
not easy
cinder relic
They also spent dev time making sectec apply it in aoe too
cinder relic
Those damn shareholders
light kernel
Imagine paying the game to hit dead targets
runic bough
I have to keep reminding myself not to adr until after everyone else has hit the boss
lone spear
people would be less mad
olive flax
Imagine paying the game to hit dead targets
I mean someones gotta make sure they are dead
olive flax
they are just preparing us for the new m+ affix where dead mobs have to be dps'd down or they get back up and rejoin the fight
outlaw bug will make us bis mhm
lone spear
knowing our luck they add that in then fix the bug
covert kestrel
dead mobs are reincarnated as xalataths toes
olive flax
those corpses are extra dead then
runic bough
We been broken forever basically.
leaden folio
made this video because
vanessa vancleef hit dead people
make me in combat
so couldnt use mount
hollow temple
it wasn't really noticeable until they removed the soft cap
lofty pike
Do we know for a fact that they are working on a fix for Bf hitting dead Targets?
granite slate
has it been fixed yet?
hollow temple
Do we know for a fact that they are working on a fix for Bf hitting dead Targets...
no, but its pretty obvious it will get fixed
its dentrimental enough of a bug that it was allowed a wowhead article
latent oak
Its only getting fixed because they made it so public now
how do u fix something that u dont know is broken
lofty pike
It was obvious that fractured Sparks will be fixed, Ma rogue still only got 2 full sparks
gaunt phoenix
realz commented on it so probably
patent mirage
We got bug fixes but no mention in the post
hollow temple
those things usually get fixed quickly
tender breach
when my wife tells me to get the dog out and I say ok, its obvious I wont
patent mirage
Makes you wonder
hollow portal
vivid vessel
They also spent dev time making sectec apply it in aoe too
sec tech is an aoe spell?
it hit multiple targets
you cast st you hit every nearby targets
you cast ks
you hit your main target 8 tiems
there is no cleaving component
its quite impressive they maanged to make it cleave fazed honestly
wasted work
gaunt phoenix
ye i mean in the end fazed doesnt interact with any of our aoe
which is strange, but can let it slide
latent oak
its nice for target swapping at least
although guess that doesnt matter
since after the ks ur next ss would apply anyways
gaunt phoenix
like if fazed was a 5% buff it would work but bc it's a debuff blade flurry is skipped
plucky ridge
i came back to the game waaay late, i remember they were bugs but arent they fixed at all? or is this normal with 0 dam
gaunt phoenix
ambush seems low
cinder relic
Idk what the question is
plucky ridge
so the question is with blade flurry
cinder relic
What about it
cinder relic
The average hit of BF is based on your hits. So if you dont have gear, it's hits are going to be lower
gaunt phoenix
the bug is not with average hit
the bug is sometimes the number of targets hit is too low
and this bug has existed for like 6 years
plucky ridge
hmm am around 663
I saw someting about bug fixes last night but i guess it was something else then
plucky ridge
I see thank you
late swallow
bro what the fuck
vivid vessel
like if fazed was a 5% buff it would work but bc it's a debuff blade flurry is s...
Should've been a buff anyway idk why it's a debuff
vivid vessel
Just make it so in extreme edge cases you can drop it before pressing coup
And then you wanna kill yourself
For 0 reason
lusty sparrow
new peak overall 
late swallow
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latent oak
if u come out of subt with a coup and ks ready, fth stacks and full combo points from an ace proc, do u ks into low cp coup and risk overcapping fth stacks? or whats the play
vivid vessel
I feel like you would be that kind of guy
timber knoll
NA here, confirming that I have no idea if BF is fixed
vivid vessel
if u come out of subt with a coup and ks ready, fth stacks and full combo points...
Is it a full moon
latent oak
idk i find myself in that situation occasionally
vivid vessel
Ye you fth ks then. Coup
gaunt phoenix
why not ks > ps > coup
frail veldt
if u come out of subt with a coup and ks ready, fth stacks and full combo points...
Def coup first
covert kestrel
Like female streamers I mean
how can he write all that with only one hand
frail veldt
Even if you put coup prio over KS it's only a 1% DPS loss
latent oak
feels like in general i send low coup too much and its avoidable if i play better
vivid vessel
Why would you intentionallky lose 1% damage
When you can just press the correct button
frail veldt
Why would you intentionallky lose 1% damage
Just an example of how much you'd lose if you always did it
late swallow
Like female streamers I mean
i have it macrod to one of my mouse buttons
frail veldt
Helps you decide what to do in corner cases
vivid vessel
i have it macrod to one of my mouse buttons
Makes sense
frail veldt
No
vivid vessel
Yes
covert kestrel
somnius is on fire
hollow temple
frail veldt
They're actually different things haha
gaunt phoenix
mighty pivot
what kind of dogs has he met
hasty warren
dog
gaunt phoenix
dawg
remote pecan
a dinasour
we refer to them as godzilla and kingkong 
hollow temple
After ceve
half these people don't have ban button, but i do !
late swallow
g-gojira!
hollow temple
careful !
late swallow
everytime notrickz bans someone, his hitachi magic wand goes to max for a few seconds
vivid vessel
half these people don't have ban button, but i do !
After lisona
hollow temple
hollow temple
after yourself ?
vivid vessel
I'm not green anymore
covert kestrel
zac make green great again 2025
vivid vessel
If I was still tho
jovial socket
keep goin bro
vivid vessel
Ye
jovial socket
has to be more
vivid vessel
After old zac
vivid vessel
has to be more
I'm ngl I don't know if there is
I might be missing someone
After eleem
Idk id I said eleem
After armin
fluid iron
a dinasour
rich coming from you rat
vivid vessel
rich coming from you rat
Don't call my king rat racoon
hollow temple
I might be missing someone
royal
hollow temple
levi
proven ocean
i called him a rat, not rat raccoon
he didnt call me a rat racoon, racoon
hollow temple
noob
vivid vessel
Will be remembered
fluid iron
he didnt call me a rat racoon, racoon
he did i didn't see any punctuation there
vivid vessel
Ye he just isn't there
late swallow
everyone's mad at ross because he's the #1 rogue this season
late swallow
one of the best to ever do it
hollow temple
cev isn't green
proven ocean
he did i didn't see any punctuation there
you need 3.6k io to see it
vivid vessel
Oh oxi !
proven ocean
checkmate
vivid vessel
cev isn't green
Seli mb
vivid vessel
I always miss name them
They are both assa people to me
Idk why they are like the same entity to me
Weird
fluid iron
you need 3.6k io to see it
gawd damn guess i gotta log into wow and do keys
verbal fjord
Should i play vers or haste flask with those stats?
brisk meadow
Any Sims simming
gaunt phoenix
HO build would probably vers flask
verbal fjord
Thanks solo ^^
vivid vessel
Np
covert kestrel
zac the green name strikes again, what a team player
desert tendon
np
unkempt dew
Did they fix the dead BF thing?
gaunt phoenix
not yet
tulip jewel
worst pull i've had was the double after 1st boss mechagon
single target after those green blobs died lmao
such bad roll rng and no aoe, ended up with AR dropping with a fat 45s cd xd
tender breach
for some reason ML pulls are tank dps for me
proven ocean
@vivid vessel private log
2.7m pure st
i was lucky all my hits got critt'ed
thoughts zac?
sub op?
tight kernel
Lmao
runic bough
You know what's funny guys
runic bough
They could just uncap bf to fix the bug.
gaunt phoenix
wtf
fluid iron
best i can do is cap it +1 target sorry
fluid iron
well its not really a fight
covert kestrel
its us yelling into a empty void that occasionally realz pops his head out of to say one or two things and then back to void. (probably jorking it)
runic bough
Fixed
hollow temple
Its funny how hard to they ignore us to keep it capped and nerfed to 50%
if they changed both of those things it would be dumb
gaunt phoenix
realz open the channel, sees ryu shizoposting, leaves
hollow temple
imagine uncapped BF doing 100% damage
runic bough
hollow temple
schizo posting
brisk meadow
frail veldt
ryu do you know the difference between uncapped and softcapped
runic bough
hollow temple
<a:HUH:1197266114598666431>
frail veldt
schizo posting
yeah def more that than shit posting
brisk meadow
I'M MISSING THE C THO
runic bough
Ok fixed
vivid vessel
realz open the channel, sees ryu shizoposting, leaves
Ryu isn't even shit posting tho and that's crazy
runic bough
ryu do you know the difference between uncapped and softcapped
If we were soft capped it would still not be good for big pulls. Too many dead bodies. They would still need to fix the dead targeting.
frail veldt
If we were soft capped it would still not be good for big pulls. Too many dead b...
bro
celest cobalt
I thought realz retired and started a gerbil farm.
hollow temple
If we were soft capped it would still not be good for big pulls. Too many dead b...
not true either but ok
covert kestrel
Ryu isn't even shit posting tho and that's crazy
its called cooking 
frail veldt
dead bodies wouldnt mattert
runic bough
Calm down
frail veldt
if we were soft capped
runic bough
Calm down guys
frail veldt
so I guess I can answer myq uestion, you dont know the difference between soft capped and uncapped
runic bough
They should still fix targeting dead bodies
latent oak
no one is disagreeing with that bro
fluid iron
well yeah thats what they are gonna fix
covert kestrel
dead bodies wouldnt mattert
i mean it would if the dead bodies were being hit before the soft cap took place e.g 8 or whatever?
fluid iron
not your target cap
runic bough
But saying not fixing dead bodies and soft capped is coping
frail veldt
i mean it would if the dead bodies were being hit before the soft cap took place...
it depends on where the softcap was
for most spells its 20
but either way its not a fix
covert kestrel
were gonna be put on that WW squirt scaling
hollow temple
i mean it would if the dead bodies were being hit before the soft cap took place...
before they hardcapped outlaw you never would've noticed this bug i'm pretty sure
frail veldt
were gonna be put on that WW squirt scaling
yeah entirely possible tbh lol